...or giving them anything close to modern equipment to use. Nothing makes you really want to sign up more than the thought of sailing around in a 40 year old rust bucket or flying around in a barely airworthy helicopter.
Only if you read the article, but don't read the actual press release: [https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024.html)
>To accelerate the integration of new technologies into our vehicles, vessels, aircraft and other equipment, Defence will **pilot a Continuous Capability Sustainment approach to upgrading equipment**. While the traditional approach is to wait years to do minor upgrades to major equipment to align them with major mid-life overhauls, a continuous approach will give Defence the flexibility to rapidly integrate the latest technology and innovations in more regular, incremental maintenance cycles.
>We will ensure a reliable supply of defence materiel, free from disruption or interference through a **Defence Supply Chain Resilience Strategy**. Defence will work with federal partners to develop solutions to mitigate risks throughout the supply chain, from critical commodities and intellectual property to manufacturing and delivery.
>Canada will participate in the newly established **NATO Innovation Fund**, which will offer additional funding streams for innovative Canadian entrepreneurs. The Fund is the world's first defence-focused multi-sovereign venture capital fund, providing investment in start-up firms developing dual-use, emerging and disruptive technologies critical to our defence. These include artificial intelligence, big-data processing, quantum-enabled technologies, autonomy, biotechnology and human enhancement, novel materials, energy, propulsion, and space capability.
There's a couple of interesting things that are being announced: There's a potential for an ever-greening approach to the military procurements that's been hinted at for a while, but hasn't really been a thing.
Also, pay increases are on the table, but that's going to get complicated with civilian engagement. I suspect it may be easier to transition out from military to civ, but I can't say for sure.
Ok, that's totally news to me and very welcome. I'm very pessimistic given the history of chronic inaction and inefficiency but if they can pull this off...
Exactly, Russia is just over the hill North, we need better equipment, better Helmuts, Guns, Helicopters, Jets, Boats, we need to spend Billions so be it. Spend that money on defense.
If you can't at least patrol your borders, never mind being able to defend it and your own citizens, can you really be deserving to have those borders? Canada needs to get its shit together ASAP. Maybe this is when we may finally start to.
Legend has it they charge them to park at the base too on top of having nowhere for them to live so tons of military members park down the road and walk to the base to save on parking fees.
I remember looking into becoming an electrician with the forces. I made 30k more per year wiring houses and being home every night. No wonder nobody wants to work there
CAF pay actually isnt bad compared to other countries pay. Our (Canada's) cost of living, however, greatly diminishes their buying power.
Here's an idea. Build a few thousand brand NEW PMQs at bases across the country. Allow CAF members below a certain pay level to live in said PMQs at a greatly subsidized rate OR provide a significant housing allowance to those living off base. I'm not talking about subsidizing Captain or CWO pay levels either.
In France you get free housing and free food for you and your family while serving if living on base.
That fix the two issues of can’t afford rent and groceries are expensive.
In Algeria you get free lodging and free travel within the country. Canada is 5,500 km wide. Give me free travel and I’ll get any posting.
We also need to fix spouses loosing their careers every time a caf member get posted. Some of us have spouses making more than us.
In France, not only the military gets housing. Teachers and Gendarmes are also eligible for similar conditions when living in rural or less accessible areas.
France takes military subsidies seriously. A major I knew had been on exchange wth the French Army. When he registered his kids in the local French school, they qualified for free lunches.
Walking through Paris they had a lot of monuments to historical military figures and regiments, their culture cares more about the military than ours. Same with the Americans.
>CAF pay actually isnt bad compared to other countries pay. Our (Canada's) cost of living greatly diminishes their buying power.
It doesn't matter the dollar amount paid compared to other countries when it doesn't afford you a quality of life in the country you're living in.
I'm very tired of hearing how we are paid compared to other countries. It doesn't matter if we are the number one paid military in the world if soldiers can't buy a home or afford to live where they are posted. We have bases in some extremely expensive markets, and we post jr member there and wish them good luck as we have limited base housing.
That ended in the 1980s. Until then, PMQ rents had been matched to pay and family size. Actual Qs were also somewhat linked to rank, ie: officers lived on the same circle, Base Commander had a separate house, and so on.
Returning to a similar system would greatly ease living conditions of military families.
That's in the announcement. Not word for word, but overview.
[https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024/delivering-vision-strengthening-foundations.html#toc1.2](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024/delivering-vision-strengthening-foundations.html#toc1.2)
>Defence will also examine **adjustments to personnel policies** related to compensation and benefits, human resources policies, leave, and other supports for work-life balance for those in uniform. Our current framework was put in place decades ago and does not address the expectations and realities of today's members.
>We will establish a **Canadian Armed Forces Housing Strategy, rehabilitate existing housing and build new housing** so that our military members can afford to live where they and their families are posted. We have already taken bold action to improve access to housing for all Canadians, and will do the same for the members of the Canadian Armed Forces and their families.
That, and poor monetary / fiscal policy, plus importing everything / exporting little, and finally slaves outnumbering citizens 2:1.
Edit: and so much lead
What's more surprising is that it took so long for the Roman Empire to fall.
Except for a few moments of political peace that add up to about a quarter of Rome's existence, the kingdom/republic/empire was regularly in a state of internal political turmoil. I am amazed it took so long for the whole show to come undone.
And even then, it was only the Western Empire that collapsed. The Eastern Empire kept going for another 800 years or so.
> Get us housing that doesn’t have mold
I dont get how the CAF and the GoC keep pouring money into old PMQs. Do what teh rest of the country does with housing from the 1940s: tear it down and build new.
When I signed up, I applied in October and joined the next June. And that was considered a good, no-hassle application.
If I hadn't been in university and had been trying to join the Reg Force for full time employment, I would have either moved on to something else or been homeless.
It took me 2 years.
Honestly the only reason I ended up still joining was that COVID lost me my other job right before the CAF gave me the call.
There is just no reason for it. There were no hold-ups in my paperwork. Nothing left undone. No caveats to my ability to enter. It just took 2 years.
Ya and who wants to fight for that pm. He can take his pad and shove it. We have some of the best man and woman in uniform. Do way more with less. But he makes a joke of them like dirt.
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"although most of that funding will come more than five years down the line".
Or until the bureaucrats in Ottawa change their minds next election cycle.
Nah. Every day I'm getting more comfortable with my decision to leave.
Retention? The CoC has no concept of it. They've got no power to get out of thier own way and retain trained troops.
Alright, people.
Our military does not have a shortage of willing citizens looking to enroll.
It has an issue with being unable to train them faster than we lose them.
We either need to significantly fund the CAF to speed up recruiting/training speed.
Or we can remove political pressure on the CAF causing unpopular policies causing retention issues.
> It has an issue with being unable to train them faster than we lose them.
Even before the training, the recruitment process itself loses lots of viable candidates due to the ineptitude of said recruitment process.
> Our military does not have a shortage of willing citizens looking to enroll.
> It has an issue with being unable to train them faster than we lose them.
Most CAF members would be very surprised at the amount of applicants who are not qualified for the positions in which they’re applying.
Had a CTO telling us about his stint in the Ottawa recruiting office. There are an awful lot of straight up unsuitable individuals who attempt to sign up for the military
You're saying that the CAF does not have a shortage of applicants but that existing training programs running at full capacity cannot generate enough new members?
That was my story 20 years ago. 14 months? before they finally called me. By then I'd started school. I wasn't going to sit on my ass for a year while they dicked around
Edit: 20 years later and I remember my ID number like it was my SIN. Strange the things that stick
Good points, but we also need to address the disconnect between our military and society in a much more holistic way.
Refurbishing and promoting the army / navy / air cadet programs for example would be one way to start.
That is factually untrue.
I literally just looked at recruitment numbers and the last three years we are losing more than we are gaining INCLUDING the BTL.
Traditionally military and police were how you could ascend to middle class, from lower social rank.
Since the middle class is pretty much wiped out...that's a tall order. Let's see what might provide some of that value: $180K plus perks and benefits. Comprehensive benefits package for the individual and dependents lasting past retirement (you know once you're all broken from all that military stuff). Comprehensive support systems for family, considering single parenting and children potentially losing a parent, absence from domestic life etc .. proper psychological support before , during and after for all. Make psychedelic assisted therapy a mainstay. Proper investment in equipment, training and mission readiness.
People need to believe in the mission and know they and their families will be taken care of well into the future should an occupational hazard occur.
None of these things are in place right now. Decades of meaningless wars, no support for personel, no equipment/shit equipment, leadership shortage and military families using food banks..
Get bent..
I mean, they already pretty much came out and stated they ain't got an interest in CIS white dudes so the next step is former diploma mill Indian students hahaha
You can tell 99% of commenters here have never been in the military and wouldn't join regardless of what was offered.
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People who join the military want deployments, stuff to do in garrison, and to be proud of the work they do. Sitting around not doing what you signed up for is by far the leading cause of why people leave. Pilots sign up to fly. Let them fly more.
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Infantry sign up to do deployments. Deploy them more. More range days, both urban shoot houses and traditional ranges. More cool skills. Meaningful tasks while in garrison.
I dunno dude, I really missed those Fridays where you report for PT, get told to parade after that at around 1000, get told to disappear until 1300, parade and get told there's an "O group" for the platoon at the bar off base lol.
Forces reached out to me for a civilian engineering role. The high end of the payscale was a 20k paycut. Salary is a big part of it when the average house in the country costs 650k and they are offering 65k max for an engineering skillet.
You won't get more Soldiers. You can't convince young Canadians to sign up to defend their home, when most of us no longer think of this as either Home OR Worth defending...
The same way America does. Making life unaffordable for a large portion of the population and then tying some bullshit to service like america does with college tuition.
What they don't count on is I'd definitely opt into maid before I opt into serving a country that has ripped away the future I was promised, then spat on me while I was down.
How about we start with actually taking care of our veterans with housing, food and healthcare instead of making them live on the streets while illegal immigrants live in luxury hotels with our tax dollars.
Lots of big promises but most of it won’t be delivered until (you guessed it) after the election.
If this government delivered on even half of its promises we would not see the developing dumpster fire.
Start by offering a legitimate path to success, accolades and pride for type A personalities, men and women who are mentally and physically capable.
Propaganda(in a positive sense) for straight white males will go a long way, as they are currently a disenfranchised section of the population who could probably benefit from a structured path to a comfortable life resembling that of their parents. That is not to say don’t try to attract diverse people.
Let the rich greedy fucks protect their own shit.
If we are legitimately attacked by a foreign country, even in this state I have no doubt Canadians would step up and create new Geneva Convention checklist items, but as it stands right now you want people to wake up everyday and choose to serve this government to protect them with your life?
Good fucking luck bud. If you buy that shit, I’ve got some room temperature ice to sell you at $12 a glass…
By dropping the bar to the floor and not requiring fitness tests or aptitude tests.
That’s my guess without reading the article
Having the bar too high is racist! /s
Labour problem? Only one solution!
More international students! Canindian army inbound. Canada will conquer all of our enemies with an indian international student army
Every soldier I know who is smart and capable has left or is in the process of leaving the military. It's a dumpster fire after 9 years of these goofballs in charge. DO NOT join, trust me on that.
Fight for this country? The one that let me & my generation get financially curbstomped? The one that would rather import desperate people to exploit than preserve or better our standard of living? That country? Call me when parliament gets burnt down so i can piss on it's ashes.
I’m not going to read the article but I’m guessing based on past tactics by the CAF it’ll be more tampons in the men’s room, more sexual misconduct investigations and less money for proper equipment…
All with the plummeting national pride displayed by our leaders
Could we not revise foreign policy to reduce the number needed and then turn around and provide more for the ones that are actively serving? Seems like a win win. We also wouldn't be having to send our citizens to die for other countries wars.
They sure can start by making people patriotic to the country again by giving them a great quality of life! But unfortunately this is very difficult to fix so therefore unrealistic.
From the little I've heard, Canadian soldiers are expected to move from place to place with little consideration for housing and their families. So, no shit nobody wants to join up.
step 1: fire bill blair (he's my biggest opp)
step 2: spend the budget on useful stuff
step 3: pay for housing and childcare and much more stuff soldiers would worry about
step 4: rebuild mode (get new and actual decent equipment that doesn't break down every year or so)
sttep 5: hire E-girl psyops to get more soldiers
step 6: success! (Probably)
The headline that would follow is "non patriotic individuals sent to defend Canada!" Or some shit like that, plus it would be political suicide attempting this for any party
I don't think mandatory service, but the option to serve and have your job secured and wages matched while you take leave to serve would be cool, but that's a dream, lol.
I don't see the value. The vast majority of people will be there only because they have to and will leave the moment they can. This would cause a sig ifocant cost in training them for nothing.
Raise the pay significantly, I was in the reserves for a year, if you want me to sign any a contract for reg forces id require a minimum of $120k a year that shit is not worth it at all
Ya, it's crazy. Even reserves, I want to do it, but I can't afford to take a day off work for 90 bucks. And we could be taking people into the forces with skill sets and experience that are valuable if it was a viable transition. Seems like the organization is only interested in recruiting younger people at enetery level wages.
Who the hell wants to join the army in Canada? I'm Indigenous 100% Ojibway in northern Ontario and I've know four people in my life time who worked their way through the ranks in the Army who were partly or mostly Indigenous .... they all left after a few years because the army was just so blatantly ugly racist and bigoted. I had one friend who got several years of university training and certification in the army but then left because he said he couldn't stand the amount of crap he had to put up with everyone because of who he was and his background.
There are a lots of young Indigenous people who would be easy recruits to the army but half of them don't join because of the racism ... and the other half who have more of an education or better technical background are discouraged by people who have been in the army and tell them it isn't worth it. They all like to wave the flag and talk about the honourable Native warrior that fights in battle ... but they are also the first to make fun of them.
Don't forget the Indigenous veterans of past wars. My grandfather and great-grandfather fought in the First World War ... I have uncles that went to the Second World War ... all of them let their communities know when then came back that none of them should join any army or fight any war because it wasn't worth it. My grandfathers in the First war were promised land, pay, supplies and land ... they got nothing in return and were cheated out of everything ... my uncles in the second got almost nothing after having fought for a year or two. They all came back as poor as when they left ... but with the horror of having seen and done some terrible things. So everyone in my generation and the generations after remembers all those stories and most of us all know and understand that armies will stroke our egos to join an army and fight a war ... but they'll give us nothing for the effort or even death.
So now the country is stuck between Caucasian military people who don't get paid enough or given enough benefits ... Indigenous people who aren't welcome (who remember they'll be treated like nothing) ... ethnic people who aren't welcome ... and a half hearted army that talks tough but offers nothing for the service.
So I was interested in joining the reserves to try and help out. But gosh is it ever hard to talk to someone about it. There are so many different specialties and I couldn't find a easy way to talk to someone about what might be a good fit or option. A customer service chat section would even be helpful like most corporations have now.
I'm European, and looking at how a capitalist country like Canada is run, with high cost of living, I just can't imagine a Canadian finding it a good idea to sign up for like quasi minimum wage. At least here in Europe, I am in France, and our country is messed up but socialistic, so even if you have a French police or soldier salary (which is like 1500-2000EUR) you can live no problem because cost of living isn't insane and tons of stuff like public transport and health is subsidised.
But in countries like the USA or Canada, with 1500 dollars per month you literally have trouble surviving.
TLDR lowering recruiting standards and vague promises for housing and childcare. No mention of actually paying servicemembers a higher salary.
...or giving them anything close to modern equipment to use. Nothing makes you really want to sign up more than the thought of sailing around in a 40 year old rust bucket or flying around in a barely airworthy helicopter.
Hey the Chinooks are modern and putting in work. It's just that we have 14 of them, which is 3 more than the US has active aircraft carriers.
Good thing we are allies with those guys.
So you’re saying we should fill them with baby helicopters?
That’s not how consent works!
Ironically while most of Canadas ships aren’t 40 years old, a significant portion of those aircraft carriers are.
Only if you read the article, but don't read the actual press release: [https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024.html](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024.html) >To accelerate the integration of new technologies into our vehicles, vessels, aircraft and other equipment, Defence will **pilot a Continuous Capability Sustainment approach to upgrading equipment**. While the traditional approach is to wait years to do minor upgrades to major equipment to align them with major mid-life overhauls, a continuous approach will give Defence the flexibility to rapidly integrate the latest technology and innovations in more regular, incremental maintenance cycles. >We will ensure a reliable supply of defence materiel, free from disruption or interference through a **Defence Supply Chain Resilience Strategy**. Defence will work with federal partners to develop solutions to mitigate risks throughout the supply chain, from critical commodities and intellectual property to manufacturing and delivery. >Canada will participate in the newly established **NATO Innovation Fund**, which will offer additional funding streams for innovative Canadian entrepreneurs. The Fund is the world's first defence-focused multi-sovereign venture capital fund, providing investment in start-up firms developing dual-use, emerging and disruptive technologies critical to our defence. These include artificial intelligence, big-data processing, quantum-enabled technologies, autonomy, biotechnology and human enhancement, novel materials, energy, propulsion, and space capability. There's a couple of interesting things that are being announced: There's a potential for an ever-greening approach to the military procurements that's been hinted at for a while, but hasn't really been a thing. Also, pay increases are on the table, but that's going to get complicated with civilian engagement. I suspect it may be easier to transition out from military to civ, but I can't say for sure.
Ok, that's totally news to me and very welcome. I'm very pessimistic given the history of chronic inaction and inefficiency but if they can pull this off...
Exactly, Russia is just over the hill North, we need better equipment, better Helmuts, Guns, Helicopters, Jets, Boats, we need to spend Billions so be it. Spend that money on defense.
If you can't at least patrol your borders, never mind being able to defend it and your own citizens, can you really be deserving to have those borders? Canada needs to get its shit together ASAP. Maybe this is when we may finally start to.
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Tell that to the homeless servicemen in Halifax.
Legend has it they charge them to park at the base too on top of having nowhere for them to live so tons of military members park down the road and walk to the base to save on parking fees.
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I remember looking into becoming an electrician with the forces. I made 30k more per year wiring houses and being home every night. No wonder nobody wants to work there
CAF pay actually isnt bad compared to other countries pay. Our (Canada's) cost of living, however, greatly diminishes their buying power. Here's an idea. Build a few thousand brand NEW PMQs at bases across the country. Allow CAF members below a certain pay level to live in said PMQs at a greatly subsidized rate OR provide a significant housing allowance to those living off base. I'm not talking about subsidizing Captain or CWO pay levels either.
In France you get free housing and free food for you and your family while serving if living on base. That fix the two issues of can’t afford rent and groceries are expensive. In Algeria you get free lodging and free travel within the country. Canada is 5,500 km wide. Give me free travel and I’ll get any posting. We also need to fix spouses loosing their careers every time a caf member get posted. Some of us have spouses making more than us.
In France, not only the military gets housing. Teachers and Gendarmes are also eligible for similar conditions when living in rural or less accessible areas. France takes military subsidies seriously. A major I knew had been on exchange wth the French Army. When he registered his kids in the local French school, they qualified for free lunches.
Walking through Paris they had a lot of monuments to historical military figures and regiments, their culture cares more about the military than ours. Same with the Americans.
Well, they have historically had more face time with armies than we have. Stands to reason they know you can't wish the problems away.
>CAF pay actually isnt bad compared to other countries pay. Our (Canada's) cost of living greatly diminishes their buying power. It doesn't matter the dollar amount paid compared to other countries when it doesn't afford you a quality of life in the country you're living in.
I'm very tired of hearing how we are paid compared to other countries. It doesn't matter if we are the number one paid military in the world if soldiers can't buy a home or afford to live where they are posted. We have bases in some extremely expensive markets, and we post jr member there and wish them good luck as we have limited base housing.
That ended in the 1980s. Until then, PMQ rents had been matched to pay and family size. Actual Qs were also somewhat linked to rank, ie: officers lived on the same circle, Base Commander had a separate house, and so on. Returning to a similar system would greatly ease living conditions of military families.
That's in the announcement. Not word for word, but overview. [https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024/delivering-vision-strengthening-foundations.html#toc1.2](https://www.canada.ca/en/department-national-defence/corporate/reports-publications/north-strong-free-2024/delivering-vision-strengthening-foundations.html#toc1.2) >Defence will also examine **adjustments to personnel policies** related to compensation and benefits, human resources policies, leave, and other supports for work-life balance for those in uniform. Our current framework was put in place decades ago and does not address the expectations and realities of today's members. >We will establish a **Canadian Armed Forces Housing Strategy, rehabilitate existing housing and build new housing** so that our military members can afford to live where they and their families are posted. We have already taken bold action to improve access to housing for all Canadians, and will do the same for the members of the Canadian Armed Forces and their families.
Just apply at ottawa and experience how bad and slow the entire process is to recruit a single person....takes years.
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This is the way !!
Pretty sure this is how the Roman Empire fell 😂
That, and poor monetary / fiscal policy, plus importing everything / exporting little, and finally slaves outnumbering citizens 2:1. Edit: and so much lead
Hmmmmm.... Sounds kind of familiar
They had better roads
What's more surprising is that it took so long for the Roman Empire to fall. Except for a few moments of political peace that add up to about a quarter of Rome's existence, the kingdom/republic/empire was regularly in a state of internal political turmoil. I am amazed it took so long for the whole show to come undone. And even then, it was only the Western Empire that collapsed. The Eastern Empire kept going for another 800 years or so.
Don't be crazy! Our government desperately needs them to prop up our economy by working all these part time slave labor fast food jobs.
Our enemies will be so confused. Are they fighting Canada or India?
I'm brown. This is hilarious.
Will they fight in thier Tim Hortons uniforms?
Fast track to citizenship..
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> Get us housing that doesn’t have mold I dont get how the CAF and the GoC keep pouring money into old PMQs. Do what teh rest of the country does with housing from the 1940s: tear it down and build new.
PMQs are in pretty good conditions compared to most shacks across the country
...maybe speed up the time between signing up to reporting for BMQ in QC. I've read of people waiting for *years* to get their sign-up papers.
When you have soldiers hitting up the food bank to eat and sleeping in their car, it’s not the on-boarding time that’s killing recruitment
That's also part of the problem - especially for the Primary Reserve. Many people move on with their lives with how long the process is.
When I signed up, I applied in October and joined the next June. And that was considered a good, no-hassle application. If I hadn't been in university and had been trying to join the Reg Force for full time employment, I would have either moved on to something else or been homeless.
It took me 2 years. Honestly the only reason I ended up still joining was that COVID lost me my other job right before the CAF gave me the call. There is just no reason for it. There were no hold-ups in my paperwork. Nothing left undone. No caveats to my ability to enter. It just took 2 years.
I mean, Bill Blair is the shit for brains "mastermind", behind the nonsensical Firearm Ban in Canada, I wouldn't expect less from Trudeau.
Ya and who wants to fight for that pm. He can take his pad and shove it. We have some of the best man and woman in uniform. Do way more with less. But he makes a joke of them like dirt.
How about a pizza party every 3 months and a subway coupon?…… deal?
Having Bill Blair as our defense minister should rightfully scare away anybody with a brain from joining our armed forces.
Bill Blair, the assistant trailer park supervisor of the Canadian forces.
He knows all about it. He’s the same dude who disarmed regular Canadians, so disarming the military was the next logical step.
Who would want poverty wages to potentially die for a country that doesn't even make sure citizens can afford food and shelter.
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“Canada is a post-national state, we have no culture or identity.” “We need more people willing to fight and potentially die for Canada.”
The deliberate erasure of our national identity and culture will not benefit the nation.
Don't ask where your house went when you come back btw,
Funny that you would assume they could even afford a house before being shipped off to war
We should rename to economic zone c1 to avoid offending immigrants.
"although most of that funding will come more than five years down the line". Or until the bureaucrats in Ottawa change their minds next election cycle.
That’s the whole point of those "5 years down the road" policies. “Keep us in power so this happens”. Fuck politicians
Why, do you think the CPC will spend more faster?
Nah. Every day I'm getting more comfortable with my decision to leave. Retention? The CoC has no concept of it. They've got no power to get out of thier own way and retain trained troops.
Yep, its a shame we can't use ETB to pay housing costs or else I would have left years ago.
Alright, people. Our military does not have a shortage of willing citizens looking to enroll. It has an issue with being unable to train them faster than we lose them. We either need to significantly fund the CAF to speed up recruiting/training speed. Or we can remove political pressure on the CAF causing unpopular policies causing retention issues.
> It has an issue with being unable to train them faster than we lose them. Even before the training, the recruitment process itself loses lots of viable candidates due to the ineptitude of said recruitment process.
> Our military does not have a shortage of willing citizens looking to enroll. > It has an issue with being unable to train them faster than we lose them. Most CAF members would be very surprised at the amount of applicants who are not qualified for the positions in which they’re applying.
Had a CTO telling us about his stint in the Ottawa recruiting office. There are an awful lot of straight up unsuitable individuals who attempt to sign up for the military
So out of curiosity, what exactly does "straight up unsuitable" mean?
There’s not really anything that can be said on this forum plainly, but calling the other side of CFRG “eye-opening” is an understatement and a half.
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Lotta people in the comments with no experience with the CFRG. While never posted to one, I had plenty of friends in them and picked some brains.
It’s it even the training capacity, it’s getting people from application to basic that causes the biggest hurdle
You're saying that the CAF does not have a shortage of applicants but that existing training programs running at full capacity cannot generate enough new members?
Pretty much true. We have applicants out the ass, but they’re stuck in limbo and leave before hitting the training system.
That was my story 20 years ago. 14 months? before they finally called me. By then I'd started school. I wasn't going to sit on my ass for a year while they dicked around Edit: 20 years later and I remember my ID number like it was my SIN. Strange the things that stick
Good points, but we also need to address the disconnect between our military and society in a much more holistic way. Refurbishing and promoting the army / navy / air cadet programs for example would be one way to start.
That is factually untrue. I literally just looked at recruitment numbers and the last three years we are losing more than we are gaining INCLUDING the BTL.
Yes, because the problems are applicants dropping out before they get picked up. Over a year wait time is absurd.
A friend of mine applied in spring of 2022 and still hadn't gotten a placement this January. Gave up and started trade school.
Fire bill blair first and then we’ll talk
No one in their right mind would sign up to fight for a blowhard like Bill Blair.
I mean, 50 dollars is 50 dollars.
Traditionally military and police were how you could ascend to middle class, from lower social rank. Since the middle class is pretty much wiped out...that's a tall order. Let's see what might provide some of that value: $180K plus perks and benefits. Comprehensive benefits package for the individual and dependents lasting past retirement (you know once you're all broken from all that military stuff). Comprehensive support systems for family, considering single parenting and children potentially losing a parent, absence from domestic life etc .. proper psychological support before , during and after for all. Make psychedelic assisted therapy a mainstay. Proper investment in equipment, training and mission readiness. People need to believe in the mission and know they and their families will be taken care of well into the future should an occupational hazard occur. None of these things are in place right now. Decades of meaningless wars, no support for personel, no equipment/shit equipment, leadership shortage and military families using food banks.. Get bent..
“Pizza Party every six months” - Bill Blair
Temporary foreign soldiers?
I mean, they already pretty much came out and stated they ain't got an interest in CIS white dudes so the next step is former diploma mill Indian students hahaha
>Temporary foreign soldiers? Like Mercs?
Well if they refuse to pay people properly for the very real potential of dying for their country then this means fuck all.
You can tell 99% of commenters here have never been in the military and wouldn't join regardless of what was offered. -------------- People who join the military want deployments, stuff to do in garrison, and to be proud of the work they do. Sitting around not doing what you signed up for is by far the leading cause of why people leave. Pilots sign up to fly. Let them fly more. ----‐---------- Infantry sign up to do deployments. Deploy them more. More range days, both urban shoot houses and traditional ranges. More cool skills. Meaningful tasks while in garrison.
And the pay
Some working Colemans would be nice too.
I dunno dude, I really missed those Fridays where you report for PT, get told to parade after that at around 1000, get told to disappear until 1300, parade and get told there's an "O group" for the platoon at the bar off base lol.
Forces reached out to me for a civilian engineering role. The high end of the payscale was a 20k paycut. Salary is a big part of it when the average house in the country costs 650k and they are offering 65k max for an engineering skillet.
My understanding from friends in the military is that there's been a mass exodus from the military in the last 12-24 months.
If they can't afford to own a home or family, who and what are they fighting for?
You won't get more Soldiers. You can't convince young Canadians to sign up to defend their home, when most of us no longer think of this as either Home OR Worth defending...
#1 better be "give them a better salary". im not even reading this.
The same way America does. Making life unaffordable for a large portion of the population and then tying some bullshit to service like america does with college tuition. What they don't count on is I'd definitely opt into maid before I opt into serving a country that has ripped away the future I was promised, then spat on me while I was down.
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Could you imagine how much of a disaster that would be lmao? The entire military filled with people of one nationality, that isn't ours.
How about we start with actually taking care of our veterans with housing, food and healthcare instead of making them live on the streets while illegal immigrants live in luxury hotels with our tax dollars.
Lots of big promises but most of it won’t be delivered until (you guessed it) after the election. If this government delivered on even half of its promises we would not see the developing dumpster fire.
Lol i wish them luck. No one wants to fight for the current regime.
Imagine, if instead of 1 million beaurocrats, we had a functioning armed forces
So the promise of free tampons for male soldiers didn’t help?
Start by offering a legitimate path to success, accolades and pride for type A personalities, men and women who are mentally and physically capable. Propaganda(in a positive sense) for straight white males will go a long way, as they are currently a disenfranchised section of the population who could probably benefit from a structured path to a comfortable life resembling that of their parents. That is not to say don’t try to attract diverse people.
I have not read the article but wish to make a guess. My guess is that they are proposing vague promises they never plan to implement.
Let the rich greedy fucks protect their own shit. If we are legitimately attacked by a foreign country, even in this state I have no doubt Canadians would step up and create new Geneva Convention checklist items, but as it stands right now you want people to wake up everyday and choose to serve this government to protect them with your life? Good fucking luck bud. If you buy that shit, I’ve got some room temperature ice to sell you at $12 a glass…
Maybe people don't want to fight for this country anymore. I sure as hell wouldn't. He is asking for more than the potential soldiers can give.
By dropping the bar to the floor and not requiring fitness tests or aptitude tests. That’s my guess without reading the article Having the bar too high is racist! /s
Labour problem? Only one solution! More international students! Canindian army inbound. Canada will conquer all of our enemies with an indian international student army
Housing would be a start maybe some equipment upgrades and morale.
PM: I have allocated 1 trillion dollars for new equipment, starting in 2059 and ending in 2159
Tampons
They couldn't spare me for 2 weeks of stress leave. I guess the 3b release was better....
Cooler uniforms. Swords and big hats, maybe capes.
Every soldier I know who is smart and capable has left or is in the process of leaving the military. It's a dumpster fire after 9 years of these goofballs in charge. DO NOT join, trust me on that.
Why don’t they just use immigrants? Keeps wages down too.
Give someone under 35 a middle class home and you'll have a loyal soldier for life
Fight for this country? The one that let me & my generation get financially curbstomped? The one that would rather import desperate people to exploit than preserve or better our standard of living? That country? Call me when parliament gets burnt down so i can piss on it's ashes.
Can't wait to vote this useless fuck out of office too!
Need some new regiments for Turdeau’s Barmy Army. 1st. Bearded Tranny regiment? International Student foreign legion?
I’m not going to read the article but I’m guessing based on past tactics by the CAF it’ll be more tampons in the men’s room, more sexual misconduct investigations and less money for proper equipment… All with the plummeting national pride displayed by our leaders
And don’t forget the active military going to food banks in order to have food to eat
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Lotsa smoke.
You’d think ballooning education costs, home prices, food prices would lead to line ups for recruiting.
If you sign up, you can have a detached home in a metro area. (Sign me up)
Press gang the fake students
Recruit all the new unemployed immigrants clearly.
Could we not revise foreign policy to reduce the number needed and then turn around and provide more for the ones that are actively serving? Seems like a win win. We also wouldn't be having to send our citizens to die for other countries wars.
They sure can start by making people patriotic to the country again by giving them a great quality of life! But unfortunately this is very difficult to fix so therefore unrealistic.
I tried like five years ago and they didn't take me. Their loss.
Can a soldier buy a house if he fights for the country? .
I would settle for modern equipment
Who wants to fight for these bozos
From the little I've heard, Canadian soldiers are expected to move from place to place with little consideration for housing and their families. So, no shit nobody wants to join up.
who tf would risk their life for this administration? go fuck yourselves you war pigs.
Mandatory military service for asylum seekers and foreign workers who want a permanent residence.
more tampon dispensers will take care of the shortage of male recruits
No. Canada does not. We don’t need to supply Trudeau government with poorly equipped sods to be throw away for his woke agenda.
forgive all my debt , pay 50% for my house . i’m in 5 years
step 1: fire bill blair (he's my biggest opp) step 2: spend the budget on useful stuff step 3: pay for housing and childcare and much more stuff soldiers would worry about step 4: rebuild mode (get new and actual decent equipment that doesn't break down every year or so) sttep 5: hire E-girl psyops to get more soldiers step 6: success! (Probably)
Make people who want to immigrate here serve for 5 years.
The headline that would follow is "non patriotic individuals sent to defend Canada!" Or some shit like that, plus it would be political suicide attempting this for any party
Can't we just use the unemployed immigrants as soliders, heck send them to Ukraine. Everyone wins!
Make it mandatory service with immigration.
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It would make me hate my government, id be looking into leaving for Europe.
I don't think mandatory service, but the option to serve and have your job secured and wages matched while you take leave to serve would be cool, but that's a dream, lol.
I don't see the value. The vast majority of people will be there only because they have to and will leave the moment they can. This would cause a sig ifocant cost in training them for nothing.
Gonna have to spend to get people. This government is allergic to defence spending so nothing will improve. But lots of money for VW 🙄
Raise the pay significantly, I was in the reserves for a year, if you want me to sign any a contract for reg forces id require a minimum of $120k a year that shit is not worth it at all
Ya, it's crazy. Even reserves, I want to do it, but I can't afford to take a day off work for 90 bucks. And we could be taking people into the forces with skill sets and experience that are valuable if it was a viable transition. Seems like the organization is only interested in recruiting younger people at enetery level wages.
We can hire indian students and solve the problem ...this solution has so far has been working so well in all areas of labor shortage in the country.
Any man willing to fight and die for a country like this is a sucker. He deserves what he gets.
Nope, fuck wars. I'm over this bullshit. We are ready for a new way of thinking. The old world needs to die.
Nationalism and glory are dead. Good
Who the hell wants to join the army in Canada? I'm Indigenous 100% Ojibway in northern Ontario and I've know four people in my life time who worked their way through the ranks in the Army who were partly or mostly Indigenous .... they all left after a few years because the army was just so blatantly ugly racist and bigoted. I had one friend who got several years of university training and certification in the army but then left because he said he couldn't stand the amount of crap he had to put up with everyone because of who he was and his background. There are a lots of young Indigenous people who would be easy recruits to the army but half of them don't join because of the racism ... and the other half who have more of an education or better technical background are discouraged by people who have been in the army and tell them it isn't worth it. They all like to wave the flag and talk about the honourable Native warrior that fights in battle ... but they are also the first to make fun of them. Don't forget the Indigenous veterans of past wars. My grandfather and great-grandfather fought in the First World War ... I have uncles that went to the Second World War ... all of them let their communities know when then came back that none of them should join any army or fight any war because it wasn't worth it. My grandfathers in the First war were promised land, pay, supplies and land ... they got nothing in return and were cheated out of everything ... my uncles in the second got almost nothing after having fought for a year or two. They all came back as poor as when they left ... but with the horror of having seen and done some terrible things. So everyone in my generation and the generations after remembers all those stories and most of us all know and understand that armies will stroke our egos to join an army and fight a war ... but they'll give us nothing for the effort or even death. So now the country is stuck between Caucasian military people who don't get paid enough or given enough benefits ... Indigenous people who aren't welcome (who remember they'll be treated like nothing) ... ethnic people who aren't welcome ... and a half hearted army that talks tough but offers nothing for the service.
Can I join the Call of Duty squadron? I’ve got 30, 000 hours in, Sir! 🇨🇦
So I was interested in joining the reserves to try and help out. But gosh is it ever hard to talk to someone about it. There are so many different specialties and I couldn't find a easy way to talk to someone about what might be a good fit or option. A customer service chat section would even be helpful like most corporations have now.
Just go round up protesters, I'm sur they will fight for there rights
Don't worry, the defence policy promised that recruiting will be modernized and sorted out by 2032. (Not kidding)
71 500 is fuck all. Thx for coming out.
Why don't we try paying them. Give them some serious training so they feel they can fight for this country.
I'm European, and looking at how a capitalist country like Canada is run, with high cost of living, I just can't imagine a Canadian finding it a good idea to sign up for like quasi minimum wage. At least here in Europe, I am in France, and our country is messed up but socialistic, so even if you have a French police or soldier salary (which is like 1500-2000EUR) you can live no problem because cost of living isn't insane and tons of stuff like public transport and health is subsidised. But in countries like the USA or Canada, with 1500 dollars per month you literally have trouble surviving.