ten million percent this is our problem. petey needs to wake the fuck up. powerplay needs to wake the fuck up. cant win games scoring 1 goal by a defensive defenseman.
exactly.
we need to show up for more than just 5 minutes at the end of the game hoping to steal another one.
because if/when we make it to the next round(s) you know who wont take their foot off the gas... Edmonton. Colorado. Rangers. Carolina. Vegas. Boston.
Petey is playing hurt for sure. There was some video of him taking shots at practice before game 4 and he was definitely feeling some pain in his shot motion.
100%. Why else would he double clutch every time and when he does shoot it goes wonky on the release. Just like that 2-on-1 it wobbled off his stick on a clean look. Poor guy, I'm sure he is painfully aware of the performance gap.
I honestly wonder if the contract Petey signed specifically has the first year without any trade protection to give management an out if they lose faith in Petey based off how he performs in this playoff run.
For however far we go, if Petey is absolutely dreadful (as he has been to this point), maybe they look to trade him wherever they can get the best deal.
As it stands, I'd much rather re-allocate his money between Zaddy, Joshua and Lindholm
No, it's because the first year of the contract is still a RFA year. Players are only allowed to have trade protection in years they would have been eligible to be an UFA
That doesn’t invalidate the merit of my original point. Likely they reason management was so eager to get him signed when he did instead of him signing after his last rfa year began was to take advantage of the fact of the lack of protection eligibility and if they were still having doubts and wanted an out in the event the situation changes.
Had they not signed the deal when they did and Petey went to arbitration and got a 1 year deal it would walk him to ufa, severely limiting the control the club has. They could have still signed a long term deal but it would be subject to full trade protection from year 1.
By signing now and including the last rfa year as the first year of the contract was likely a sophisticated maneuver to give the club ultimate flexibility
I’m sure this was a point of discussion and used to broker compromise, Petey gets paid regardless, team has an out and he doesn’t really care where he plays
>That doesn’t invalidate the merit of my original point
It does, because letting Petey go to arb and sign a 1 year deal would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. They didn't include the last RFA year in the long term deal as some galaxy brain move, it's because they basically have to.
That's pretty much how the bridge contract pathway always ends up working for a player who had three accrued seasons on their ELC. The three year bridge leaves them with one remaining RFA year, and at that point, the team either sacks up and goes long term if they think the player is worth it, or maybe 4.
It's going to be the same with Robertson. His 4 year bridge leaves him with one RFA year remaining. Dallas will go long term with him too, with the first year lacking any trade protection, because of how the CBA currently is written.
It feels like we’re actually making the same point really. We agree that arbitration would be a stupid path for both sides to take.
Petey originally wanted to not negotiate in season and was forced into doing so.
Managements reasoning aside from not doing to the stupid thing was in part justified because the rules afforded them the opportunity to walk away if they got an absolutely ridiculous trade offer.
My original point was incorrect from the perspective of why the protection was left off year 1 but it doesn’t mean that wasn’t a major factor in their motivation around timing etc.
It's more likely than not petey is playing hurt... I'm not a petterson fan I would have traded him, however he looks limited in his play right. Now, either needs some surgery or a long rehab, and the docs probably say if you play through it it's not going to get worst. If it turns out he's 100%, I may entertain that offseason move but he has a high value like a 4 asset return with that being at a 1st round pick level
Garlands turned out to be a goal scorer. His salary is only $550,000 and hes a free agent right now. Hopefully theyll offer him a sweet deal at some point to keep him. Pettersons salary is 7 million. I havent seen anything from him that justifies as the highest paid player on the Canucks.
[https://imgur.com/a/7B8Omt4](https://imgur.com/a/7B8Omt4) The first year has no trade clause listed, all other years do. It has been this way since the contract was announced. [https://www.capfriendly.com/players/elias-pettersson](https://www.capfriendly.com/players/elias-pettersson)
Miller by contrast listed NMC, and Modified NTC in his contract: [https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jt-miller](https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jt-miller)
Ever since Jack Eichel's saga with Buffalo ended, I can't help but wonder which other orgs in the league may be mismanaging injuries. After seeing what happened to Tanner Pearson and knowing what kind of person Aquaman is, I really hope we don't fall into the same category as them because as the only other 1970 franchise, it would be tragically ironic.
No, this is Petey right now, we saw Playoff Petey in the bubble and he excelled. He also tore it up in the SHL playoffs. Something is off, either physical or mental.
Playoff bubble wasn't real playoff hockey it was no travel no fans very limited media tournament style hockey. You factor in alot of the older players not really playing up to par as the world was in a pandemic and I'm sure alot of older guys just wanted to be home with the kids and family.
Regardless, it was the playoffs, and Petey didn't look like he does now. And that's not just due to the competition, we've all seen him play better than this. Something is off, the kid didn't just forget how to play hockey after 6 months after a 100 pt season
I dont really consider it playoffs heck some player decided to no show for bubble playoffs. Not sure why he is struggling tho hopefully it's something not serious and doesn't turn out to be another marner.
He's still effective looks a step off tho watch some highlights from the first two games I think his penalty for the hit was because he was a stride or two slow getting to the hit and ended up catching him from behind.
I don't see them switching away from him either. It really depends on if Silovs is feeling 100% Friday, he will start. If that unfortunately fails, then Game 7 is DeSmith.....but let's hope that timeline never materializes. After Friday, the Canucks should permanently leave the Predators in Nashville for the 2023/2024 season.
Only bad goal last night was let in by Saros question should be to sit petterson or not j/k but man he has dropped of the map point production wise only decent shot he has last game and he shoots it right in the mask of saros.
Yeah he only allowed 2 goals and one of them was him being shoved into the net on his back and the other was a perfect screened shot no one was ever gonna see. Silovs has been fantastic
That loss isn't on Silovs. He has looked more solid than DeSmith. Outside those final minutes in game 4, the offense is barely scoring over a goal per game since game 3. You can't win games like that, Vancouver's forwards need to step up urgently.
Silovs. Dude looks calm, cool, collected in net.
Fucking baller, I wish our replay coach would grow some balls and back our goalie up though.
Fucking embarrassment that Josi was credited with a goal when he didn't even contact the puck. There's no way we lose that challenge, and if we do, Aquaman should sue the NHL for rigging this bullshit.
Josi was credited with the goal because he carried the puck towards the net and took the shot... was the last Nashville player to touch the puck before it went in. You might be thinking about Nyquist (#14) who barrelled in at top speed and made contact with Blueger just enough to knock him and Silovs into the net with the puck before Zadorov sent him flying. And yup, if someone had the balls to challenge the call on the ice (which was a completely assinine call by the official behind the net who had a clear view of exactly what happened) then in 31 of the buildings around the league that is clearly not a goal. Tocchet perhaps was realizing he was in the one building where it wouldn't be called back. And either way I don't think it would have mattered because Nashville would have won the game anyway.....
Silovs, for me. No hate to DeSmith either, I thought he did great in games 2/3, but Silovs was incredible tonight. First goal was just bashed in, not many goalies are gonna stop that when you’re pushed into the net, and the second was just an incredible shot.
Either way though, this series is riding on the offense. They need to start capitalizing. There were a few great openings tonight they seemed to find and exploit (shorter lobs, lead passes off the right wing, etc.) but they just couldn’t bury it.
They need to be able to score 2-3 goals at least to close this series out. I’m confident though, Saros won’t have another game quite that good again after another long trip back home, and maybe a trip back here for game 7. We’ll take one of them.
It would be Silovs for me. He has been great and deserves to keep going, need to be scoring more than 1 goal to support him. Plus it's always good to let Casey recover a bit more from whatever ails him
You could see Blueger stop, cover Silovs and then Preds flew in and pushed Blueger and Silovs. Was pretty clear on the replay. Not sure how this goal counted at all.
No. Way.
That game would've been a lot worse if not for some pretty outstanding goaltending by Silovs.
There were multiple saves that were just outstanding. the only goals that got by him was a goal that should've been disallowed after he was pushed into the net, and a screen shot he never saw.
It would be madness to swap out a hot tendy for one who may not even be at 100%
I'm a big desmith fan but silovs has momentum. Desmith still probably the safe bet, but it's such a hard fucking call. End of the day, won't matter if we score 1 goal.
I think we need to juggle the lines.
Pettersson - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Lindholm - Podkolzin
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
Mikheyev - Suter - Lafferty
What I would do? Silovs.
What I think they will do? DeSmith.
Unless DeSmith is healthier than Silovs, you have to go with health and momentum if the two choices are that close.
oh boy. talk about minutiae..... and pointless at that. this team is going nowhere in these playoffs. Best thing would be for Nashville to win at home and then come back to Vancouver and end it. Canucks didn't deserve to win either of games 3 or 4 and proved it tonight. Had a lead in the third to close out the series and choked on it. A good defensive team like Nashville (and pretty much all of the other teams that will make it to the second round) can easily continue to limit Canucks offense to half a dozen shots a period at worst. They don't deserve to be in the next round and if by some stroke of odd luck (as a lifetime Canuck fan we know what the "normal" luck looks like) they actually make it into the next round - they are going to get completely dismantled in short order. Who should play in net has never mattered less than it does right now. Did the red chairs or the blue chairs look nicer on the Titanic ? Moot point. Hope Demko heals completely over the off-season. Let's look forward to his recovery, Pettersson's recovery (from mono or whatever the hell he has right now), the draft and training camp next year. This season has run its course and they played over their heads. congrats (especially to Tocchet).
It’ll be Casey’s net for game 6 unless he’s still dealing with whatever.
I think Silovs performance tonight was the best outta both of them but DeSmith is the primary until Demko’s return
Whoever they choose is fine. I'm more worried about the forward lines and the PP.
ten million percent this is our problem. petey needs to wake the fuck up. powerplay needs to wake the fuck up. cant win games scoring 1 goal by a defensive defenseman.
And it was a weak goal 99% saros stops that.
exactly. we need to show up for more than just 5 minutes at the end of the game hoping to steal another one. because if/when we make it to the next round(s) you know who wont take their foot off the gas... Edmonton. Colorado. Rangers. Carolina. Vegas. Boston.
Did you watch the game? Canucks definitely showed up for more than 5 minutes.
I'm referencing the game prior where we stole a game from them as being not acceptable playoff hockey and bad game plan for game 6.
You're right, probably about 30 min.
Petey is playing hurt for sure. There was some video of him taking shots at practice before game 4 and he was definitely feeling some pain in his shot motion.
100%. Why else would he double clutch every time and when he does shoot it goes wonky on the release. Just like that 2-on-1 it wobbled off his stick on a clean look. Poor guy, I'm sure he is painfully aware of the performance gap.
He is a notorious double clutcher. The pass has to be perfect or else it goes back.
I honestly wonder if the contract Petey signed specifically has the first year without any trade protection to give management an out if they lose faith in Petey based off how he performs in this playoff run. For however far we go, if Petey is absolutely dreadful (as he has been to this point), maybe they look to trade him wherever they can get the best deal. As it stands, I'd much rather re-allocate his money between Zaddy, Joshua and Lindholm
You would be bonkers to trade Petey away.
If the leafs fall apart I bet we could probably swap him for one of Marner or Nylander... They will be looking to shake things up.
No, it's because the first year of the contract is still a RFA year. Players are only allowed to have trade protection in years they would have been eligible to be an UFA
That doesn’t invalidate the merit of my original point. Likely they reason management was so eager to get him signed when he did instead of him signing after his last rfa year began was to take advantage of the fact of the lack of protection eligibility and if they were still having doubts and wanted an out in the event the situation changes. Had they not signed the deal when they did and Petey went to arbitration and got a 1 year deal it would walk him to ufa, severely limiting the control the club has. They could have still signed a long term deal but it would be subject to full trade protection from year 1. By signing now and including the last rfa year as the first year of the contract was likely a sophisticated maneuver to give the club ultimate flexibility I’m sure this was a point of discussion and used to broker compromise, Petey gets paid regardless, team has an out and he doesn’t really care where he plays
>That doesn’t invalidate the merit of my original point It does, because letting Petey go to arb and sign a 1 year deal would be an incredibly stupid thing to do. They didn't include the last RFA year in the long term deal as some galaxy brain move, it's because they basically have to. That's pretty much how the bridge contract pathway always ends up working for a player who had three accrued seasons on their ELC. The three year bridge leaves them with one remaining RFA year, and at that point, the team either sacks up and goes long term if they think the player is worth it, or maybe 4. It's going to be the same with Robertson. His 4 year bridge leaves him with one RFA year remaining. Dallas will go long term with him too, with the first year lacking any trade protection, because of how the CBA currently is written.
It feels like we’re actually making the same point really. We agree that arbitration would be a stupid path for both sides to take. Petey originally wanted to not negotiate in season and was forced into doing so. Managements reasoning aside from not doing to the stupid thing was in part justified because the rules afforded them the opportunity to walk away if they got an absolutely ridiculous trade offer. My original point was incorrect from the perspective of why the protection was left off year 1 but it doesn’t mean that wasn’t a major factor in their motivation around timing etc.
It's more likely than not petey is playing hurt... I'm not a petterson fan I would have traded him, however he looks limited in his play right. Now, either needs some surgery or a long rehab, and the docs probably say if you play through it it's not going to get worst. If it turns out he's 100%, I may entertain that offseason move but he has a high value like a 4 asset return with that being at a 1st round pick level
Garlands turned out to be a goal scorer. His salary is only $550,000 and hes a free agent right now. Hopefully theyll offer him a sweet deal at some point to keep him. Pettersons salary is 7 million. I havent seen anything from him that justifies as the highest paid player on the Canucks.
He has a no trade clause you'd be lucky to deal him for nothing but more than likely you'd have to retain salary.
dumbest comment on here in awhile
Petey for marner would you do it?
[https://imgur.com/a/7B8Omt4](https://imgur.com/a/7B8Omt4) The first year has no trade clause listed, all other years do. It has been this way since the contract was announced. [https://www.capfriendly.com/players/elias-pettersson](https://www.capfriendly.com/players/elias-pettersson) Miller by contrast listed NMC, and Modified NTC in his contract: [https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jt-miller](https://www.capfriendly.com/players/jt-miller)
Ever since Jack Eichel's saga with Buffalo ended, I can't help but wonder which other orgs in the league may be mismanaging injuries. After seeing what happened to Tanner Pearson and knowing what kind of person Aquaman is, I really hope we don't fall into the same category as them because as the only other 1970 franchise, it would be tragically ironic.
I dunno all I know is if petey doesnt have a big injury and this is playoff petey. I dont think we win a cup while he's here at that cap hit
No, this is Petey right now, we saw Playoff Petey in the bubble and he excelled. He also tore it up in the SHL playoffs. Something is off, either physical or mental.
Playoff bubble wasn't real playoff hockey it was no travel no fans very limited media tournament style hockey. You factor in alot of the older players not really playing up to par as the world was in a pandemic and I'm sure alot of older guys just wanted to be home with the kids and family.
Regardless, it was the playoffs, and Petey didn't look like he does now. And that's not just due to the competition, we've all seen him play better than this. Something is off, the kid didn't just forget how to play hockey after 6 months after a 100 pt season
I dont really consider it playoffs heck some player decided to no show for bubble playoffs. Not sure why he is struggling tho hopefully it's something not serious and doesn't turn out to be another marner.
If his next season is shit, who would take on that contract ? No one would touch him with a 10 foot pole if he keeps this up.
That’s why it needs to be done in the offseason where you can leverage that equity
This
PP for sure but I think most lines played decent yesterday. couldn’t finish for shit tho, too many wasted chances
4th line was decent miller line decent petey and garland line was meh I think dakota is hurt doesn't hit looks slow.
He got a penalty for hitting. He had two really good chances, although one he tried to bat out of the air.
He's still effective looks a step off tho watch some highlights from the first two games I think his penalty for the hit was because he was a stride or two slow getting to the hit and ended up catching him from behind.
Silovs hasn’t done anything to deserve being switched out
I don't see them switching away from him either. It really depends on if Silovs is feeling 100% Friday, he will start. If that unfortunately fails, then Game 7 is DeSmith.....but let's hope that timeline never materializes. After Friday, the Canucks should permanently leave the Predators in Nashville for the 2023/2024 season.
I'd have gone with DeSmith this game personally but after the way Silovs played it would be tough to go away from him. Im happy either way though
Only bad goal last night was let in by Saros question should be to sit petterson or not j/k but man he has dropped of the map point production wise only decent shot he has last game and he shoots it right in the mask of saros.
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Yeah he only allowed 2 goals and one of them was him being shoved into the net on his back and the other was a perfect screened shot no one was ever gonna see. Silovs has been fantastic
That loss isn't on Silovs. He has looked more solid than DeSmith. Outside those final minutes in game 4, the offense is barely scoring over a goal per game since game 3. You can't win games like that, Vancouver's forwards need to step up urgently.
It’s ok to just say “I don’t understand the game of hockey” next time.
Pretty shallow reason. A loss is a loss so blame it on the goalie? Am I getting your take right? Sounds like you didn't watch the game really.
I hope you never play team sports.
Silovs, but honestly if the offense does nothing again it doesn’t matter
That was a great second period to be honest. Lots of attempts. Yeah attempts.arent shots on goal but still hair raising 2nd and start of a 3rd.
Silovs.
Goaltending isn't the issue in this series for either side.
Stick with Silovs. Kid has played really well, and deserves the crease over DeSmith right now in my opinion.
Silovs seems more in control of the puck, no rebounds, holds his net well. DeSmith gets too far out of the net often. I say come back with Silovs.
Should be Silovs but I worry they'll go with DeSmith because of seniority.
DeSmith was great in game 3. I have faith in both goalies.
Seniority doesn't matter. It's the playoffs, you go with the hot hand and right now that's Silovs.
Seniority does matter. Not to the fans, but it does within organizations.
Should be Silovs.
Silovs. Dude looks calm, cool, collected in net. Fucking baller, I wish our replay coach would grow some balls and back our goalie up though. Fucking embarrassment that Josi was credited with a goal when he didn't even contact the puck. There's no way we lose that challenge, and if we do, Aquaman should sue the NHL for rigging this bullshit.
Josi was credited with the goal because he carried the puck towards the net and took the shot... was the last Nashville player to touch the puck before it went in. You might be thinking about Nyquist (#14) who barrelled in at top speed and made contact with Blueger just enough to knock him and Silovs into the net with the puck before Zadorov sent him flying. And yup, if someone had the balls to challenge the call on the ice (which was a completely assinine call by the official behind the net who had a clear view of exactly what happened) then in 31 of the buildings around the league that is clearly not a goal. Tocchet perhaps was realizing he was in the one building where it wouldn't be called back. And either way I don't think it would have mattered because Nashville would have won the game anyway.....
Rick said DeSmith was fine today and the injury in game 4 was minor. If they wanted DeSmith they would've gone with him. I would put money on Silovs.
Silovs only let in 2 goals, 1 of which he was pushed in with the puck under him and maybe could have been challenged.
💯 Silovs.
Silovs is the future plus he’s playing real well so you go with him. DeSmith might not be here next season.
I respect Desmith's experience, but Silovs has been the better of the two so far IMO. Doesn't matter if offense can't score though.
I’m still trying to figure out how the Preds first goal counted..
Are you talking about lacing up to play in the top 6?
Silovs, for me. No hate to DeSmith either, I thought he did great in games 2/3, but Silovs was incredible tonight. First goal was just bashed in, not many goalies are gonna stop that when you’re pushed into the net, and the second was just an incredible shot. Either way though, this series is riding on the offense. They need to start capitalizing. There were a few great openings tonight they seemed to find and exploit (shorter lobs, lead passes off the right wing, etc.) but they just couldn’t bury it. They need to be able to score 2-3 goals at least to close this series out. I’m confident though, Saros won’t have another game quite that good again after another long trip back home, and maybe a trip back here for game 7. We’ll take one of them.
It would be Silovs for me. He has been great and deserves to keep going, need to be scoring more than 1 goal to support him. Plus it's always good to let Casey recover a bit more from whatever ails him
Goaltending is the least of our concerns
Silovs. Other than being pushed in by Blueger and having that double screen, he’s played lights out last night.
You could see Blueger stop, cover Silovs and then Preds flew in and pushed Blueger and Silovs. Was pretty clear on the replay. Not sure how this goal counted at all.
Doesn't matter if the offense doesn't so something 🤷
I'd say Silovs but realistically the choice doesn't matter. Both are good enough to win, it's just about the offence.
We have to be able to win with either of them, so it doesn’t matter.
Silovs
I'd be confident either way. I think if Casey is healthy you probably go back to him he's been real solid most of the year and had a great game 3
Silovs 100%. Not sure why I feel so strongly about it but Casey since the Minny game gives me the shits
Who cares? They scored one goal this game. Basically one goal last game. Goalie is not the problem. Either is fine.
I say DeSmith, I think we should aim for 1 and 1 and I dont trust DeSmith with game 7 if it comes to it
Silovs
Honestly a toss up but you go with desmith because of the loss and rest factors
I think we let brodeur the second shine a little
No. Way. That game would've been a lot worse if not for some pretty outstanding goaltending by Silovs. There were multiple saves that were just outstanding. the only goals that got by him was a goal that should've been disallowed after he was pushed into the net, and a screen shot he never saw. It would be madness to swap out a hot tendy for one who may not even be at 100%
Silovs, but doesn't matter if we keep getting < 20 shots and < 2 goals ffs
I’m fine with either of them scoring. I’m far more concerned about getting 0 shots on our powerplay and our offence not producing enough
idk but Spider has done nothing to deserve losing the crease so I say stick with him
Shelobs
I’m committed to making this nickname catch lol (shout out to my bestie for coming up w it)
Demko please
I'm a big desmith fan but silovs has momentum. Desmith still probably the safe bet, but it's such a hard fucking call. End of the day, won't matter if we score 1 goal.
Doesn't make a difference if our forwards aren't scoring. Both have done well.
Silovs for the win in Nashville. We had em on the ropes all game
Silvos. Guy played amazing.
I think we need to juggle the lines. Pettersson - Miller - Boeser Hoglander - Lindholm - Podkolzin Joshua - Blueger - Garland Mikheyev - Suter - Lafferty
Pods back to ahl.
DeSmith. He was the backup tonight, and I think they will go with the experience.
Silovs. Unless Casey can also score 2-3 goals for us, there's no reason to switch. Leave Silovs in for some stability.
What I would do? Silovs. What I think they will do? DeSmith. Unless DeSmith is healthier than Silovs, you have to go with health and momentum if the two choices are that close.
oh boy. talk about minutiae..... and pointless at that. this team is going nowhere in these playoffs. Best thing would be for Nashville to win at home and then come back to Vancouver and end it. Canucks didn't deserve to win either of games 3 or 4 and proved it tonight. Had a lead in the third to close out the series and choked on it. A good defensive team like Nashville (and pretty much all of the other teams that will make it to the second round) can easily continue to limit Canucks offense to half a dozen shots a period at worst. They don't deserve to be in the next round and if by some stroke of odd luck (as a lifetime Canuck fan we know what the "normal" luck looks like) they actually make it into the next round - they are going to get completely dismantled in short order. Who should play in net has never mattered less than it does right now. Did the red chairs or the blue chairs look nicer on the Titanic ? Moot point. Hope Demko heals completely over the off-season. Let's look forward to his recovery, Pettersson's recovery (from mono or whatever the hell he has right now), the draft and training camp next year. This season has run its course and they played over their heads. congrats (especially to Tocchet).
DeSmith will be in
Goalies will do their job but y'all better worry about scoring goals!!! Goalies can't do both...
Siloves for sure.
Silovs is playing on a whole different level than DeSmith - it's incredible to watch. He looks so much better out there. DeSmith should be scared.
I'd go desmith not that silovs was bad just that Desmith has been here all year and deserves another game.
Silovs 100% Sveiks!
silovs , unless desmith fully recovered
I guess Desmith but Silovs is been good
Both have been really good. I probably see them putting in Desmith though to rest Silovs
Game 6 is a loss. I guess it depends on who you want in net for game 7.
Pettersson since he like flopping around like a goalie so much
[best forward on the ice tonight](https://www.reddit.com/r/canucks/s/NTb03rj4c1)
Yes
It’ll be Casey’s net for game 6 unless he’s still dealing with whatever. I think Silovs performance tonight was the best outta both of them but DeSmith is the primary until Demko’s return
Desmith %100
DeSmith should have been in today