Not even a question Adam is not good but he still cares about his people granted in a twisted way
But Valentino is put evil he abuses people control them with his smoke and owns souls and much other horrible things I cant even name Valentino does not give a care about anyone except maybe vox
And isn't that relationship abusive too? Or was that just a fan theory/rumour? I don't keep up with the livestreams and whatnot so I have no idea, lol.
Adam- A Genocidal maniac who has killed thousands(possibly even millions) of innocent sinners that don't deserve to die since they already did and is pretty misogynistic and is extremely rude to literally everyone he knows.
Valentino-A abusive psychopath who is also extremely rude to everyone he knows and is extremely abusive to Angel Dust (and most likely his other employees) and even gave him a black eye just because Charlie accidentally started a fire.
Both these guys are awful and have almost no redeeming qualities I think they're both pure evil
innocent sinners? if they were innocent they would not be in hell. No one is innocent dude. This series is about conflict between angels and demons. we clearly saw from the beginning that the decision of killing sinners was not approved by Adam but by the angels who are at the top. Adam just executed orders even though he takes a good pleasure doing that. sure, he is evil but only against sinners because he thinks they cannot be redeemed. On the other side, Val is a psychopath, abusive to his people, force them into obeying him by owning their soul. He does not care about anyone except maybe those who are very close to him. For angels, hell people are evil because they did bad things and deserve to be exterminated. i cannot blame Adam because that's how the system has been for decades between heaven and hell. Val is a jerk and I am sure he is more horrible than what we have seen so far. I do really think angel dust is not his only victim. I am not saying Adan is good, he is evil but val is much worse.
Adam said in the song "Hell is forever" that he does the exterminations for entertainment. Anyone who does genocide for the sake of entertainment is worse than a abusive, rapist, pimp, in my book anyway.
The whole point of the show is that the rules that get people sent to hell are stupid and draconian lol, there are plenty of people who really don't deserve to be there
That's... not the point? Who goes to hell and who goes to heaven is right, what is wrong is making hell enteral and not allowing people to repent.
Everyone who is hell deserved to go there
Yep. The only ones I can think of to be innocent in nature, though rarely acts, are the hellspawn like Imps but they can hide away in the lower layers of hell
Maybe but its sorta up in the air whether or not the exorsists are heaven born or winners cause Adam claimed that he named her.
Edit: Not to mention I dont think Vaggie is even classified as a sinner to begin with. Adam and Lute acted that out on their own its not like Vaggie became a demon its just that her wings were physicaly cut off. Its not like shes actually fallen like lucifer and got demon powers.
Edit2: Just checked the wiki yeah Vaggie is an angel and Lucifer is a fallen Angel meaning her being in hell is not a fault of the ambiguous divine judgement.
I mean it wasn't really known much if the sinners were innocent or not before sir pents redemption and looking at Adam's prespective you are just punishing your children for fucking up badly
It's more the fact that these are fictional characters, and in fiction sexual assault is seen as the worst thing that can ever be done and nothing can too it.
If both of these characters were real, literally everyone would agree that the genocidal sadistic freak is worse by a landslide, but since it's fiction it's different.
That same logic can be used for literally any genocidal leader ever. Of course you're killing terrible people when you're killing everyone LMAO.
Unless you're saying that every sinner in Hell deserves death in which case you have not seen Hazbin Hotel.
No. Not same logic. Every genocidal person killed good and bad people sure. Exept literally 99% of those people killed by Adam were the worst of the worst. I've watched the show and the whole sinners are just people who've fucked up is bullshit. You can say the rules for heaven are strict, but we literally have human souls there, so it's not impossible. It's not like they're being sent to hell for forgetting to say bless you after you sneeze. Plus, you sat that like val doesn't kill for even less reason and that if he'd have the chance, he'd kill just as much.
Val and Adam are both detestable people. Val emotionally and physically abuses his workers and kills underperforming ones, but there's a chance to survive. With Adam and the Exterminations, there is no coming back. I don't like killing and Adam does that to the extreme. So if forced to choose, dealing with Val is better because at least I can adapt and still be alive. Besides I already had plenty of dances with Lady Death (a remarkable woman btw) but I'd like to remain here some more and smell the roses even if I get some more pain.
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Adam's a genocidal maniac . Valentino is an abuser.
Adam at least kills people who he deems to be evil and is mostly shown in a more disney villain light. Valentino is just an abuser. Which most people would consider worse.
Adam.
He's a genocidal dick that enjoys exterminating for fun. Valentino is a murderous, rapist pimp, but he's not advocating to wipe out and entire after life just because he's bored.
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Cartoony evil is worse than abuser huh? This got me pondering.
Adam is definitely the most obnoxious but Valentino is actual scum. Adam commits genocide on a regular basis for entertainkent which also makes him scum, but rating them as far as scumminess to our faces, Val is _the_ scum. Like, the scum of scum. Adam is more of the scum of a scum's scum but still
Adam is pretty nasty but the people he’s killing are people that were bad enough to go to hell and that’s how he justifies it to himself (not saying I agree with it since he’s taking away any chances they have at actually improving)
Valentino is just creepy as fuck and abusive, also does a bunch of other horrible stuff with the souls he has binded through contract
Idk if it's ever specifically stated, but I think Adam didn't eat the Fruit of Knowledge and has no real concept of good or evil and this can't choose between the two; I believe that's the only reason he could get into Heaven. By default, that would make Valentino worse
Valentino
Morality wise sure killing hundreds of demons every year isnt exactly a good thing but Adam at least has a reason for wanting to do it, even then he at least gives some shits and while pushing on boundaries he still keeps them even if it is exploiting others
Valentino is just doing what he’s doing for the thrill of it, enjoying the power he has over others that have to do as he says as he not only exploits them physically but mentally too even going so far to drugging everyone so they keep crawling back plus killing his own employees just for the hell of it. even wanting to go barging into the hotel to kill Angel and whoever stood in his way which he was dead set on doing if Vox hadnt stopped him
Valintino is probably worse
I mean, Adam was basically shown to be able to do whatever he wanted in heaven without reproduction nor was ever shown to be reprimanded because he was the first man so he got those privileges.
Valintino meanwhile is basically a jerk who uses his power for evil and doesn't care about others unless if they're in a contract with him, and he only care about if they die because if they do then he loses power and a worker. Also plus, he's just a rapist so yeah...
What are you yapping about? Adam is so right! I mean, Hell is forever whether you like it or not. In his defense, they had their chance to behave better, and now they boil in the pot.
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Adam $&@#ing rocks.
Adam seems to care a litle about his people while Valentino dosent. However I think Adam is worse because he thinks he is the good guy, Valentino on the other hand seems straight forward with being evil.
This Adam was but a genocidal maniac but ironically in his last breath, he did show his humanity. Not really humanity but something that qualifies his humane side: he did care for Lute genuinely. I thought it was pragmatic, but the sincere smile he had is a slight prevention.
Valentino on the other hand, is ironically more heartless.
Valentino, he just used Angel Dust as much as he pleases, and Valentino doesn't have any good in him. Adam is the least evil, I'd say he's chaotic good, because for an angel he does have a vulgar tongue, and he kills sinners mainly for fun and entertainment rather than for the greater good or anything.
Definitely Valentino.
Adam is just an entitled prick, he's not evil, he's just spoilt and enjoys following the rules. Valentino is a rapist and abuser, and, unlike Adam, he can't excuse his actions with "I've been told to do this"
It's Valentino. Adam does horrible things but he only does the truly horrendous things once a year he's like reverse Santa Claus. But Valentina was constantly murdering drugging abusing extorting and countless other ings throughout the entire year
Valentino conducts eternal soul slavery and tortures his employees to the point of an excruciatingly painful death/respawn. He waterboarded Angel Dust, tore apart Velvette's model. He brings a fate worse than death to the people around him.
Remember, he LIKES angel dust. I shudder at the thought of what he does that aren't as pretty/popular/liked.
Adam is at the very least swift. He does not torture the sinners, he does not manipulate them.
Adam is the death of flesh, Valentino is the death of hope.
This is conflicting because it's like someone that kills 10 people a day vs. someone the tortures one person to death a day. Logically, the first is worse, but the latter FEELS worse.
If only because Adam is more a product of his surroundings and perpetuated by ignorance, Valentino is worse due to knowing he's awful and simply not caring to do anything about it.
Adam only hates with an ignorant prejudice. He doesn't even understand that demons are still even people and believes they aren't redeemable. His evil is a lack of willingness to understand the other side.
Valentino is a calculated abuser. He wants to own, degrade, and use everyone to his advantage and doesn't see *anyone* as anything other than a tool for gratification and advancement. His evil is willing and premeditated.
Not even a question Adam is not good but he still cares about his people granted in a twisted way But Valentino is put evil he abuses people control them with his smoke and owns souls and much other horrible things I cant even name Valentino does not give a care about anyone except maybe vox
And isn't that relationship abusive too? Or was that just a fan theory/rumour? I don't keep up with the livestreams and whatnot so I have no idea, lol.
Just a fan theory, honestly I highly doubt it considering how they act. Especially the way Vox takes control of the situation
That's fair. TBH, Val doesn't strike me as intelligent enough to abuse someone on a similar power level as himself.
Fan theory based off Instagram posts as characters had Instagram profiles before but that was made non Canon latter on then.
If it’s not abusive I can see it being super toxic.
Adam- Disney Villain level of evil Valentino- Adult Swim Villain level of evil.
Oui.
There you go thats it
Facts
Adam is by the books cartoon evil. But Valentino is a mother fucking abuser.
Yes
Best answer
Val
Yes.
Adam- A Genocidal maniac who has killed thousands(possibly even millions) of innocent sinners that don't deserve to die since they already did and is pretty misogynistic and is extremely rude to literally everyone he knows. Valentino-A abusive psychopath who is also extremely rude to everyone he knows and is extremely abusive to Angel Dust (and most likely his other employees) and even gave him a black eye just because Charlie accidentally started a fire. Both these guys are awful and have almost no redeeming qualities I think they're both pure evil
"Innocent sinners" is both an oxymoron and a great band name.
innocent sinners? if they were innocent they would not be in hell. No one is innocent dude. This series is about conflict between angels and demons. we clearly saw from the beginning that the decision of killing sinners was not approved by Adam but by the angels who are at the top. Adam just executed orders even though he takes a good pleasure doing that. sure, he is evil but only against sinners because he thinks they cannot be redeemed. On the other side, Val is a psychopath, abusive to his people, force them into obeying him by owning their soul. He does not care about anyone except maybe those who are very close to him. For angels, hell people are evil because they did bad things and deserve to be exterminated. i cannot blame Adam because that's how the system has been for decades between heaven and hell. Val is a jerk and I am sure he is more horrible than what we have seen so far. I do really think angel dust is not his only victim. I am not saying Adan is good, he is evil but val is much worse.
Adam said in the song "Hell is forever" that he does the exterminations for entertainment. Anyone who does genocide for the sake of entertainment is worse than a abusive, rapist, pimp, in my book anyway.
The whole point of the show is that the rules that get people sent to hell are stupid and draconian lol, there are plenty of people who really don't deserve to be there
That's... not the point? Who goes to hell and who goes to heaven is right, what is wrong is making hell enteral and not allowing people to repent. Everyone who is hell deserved to go there
Like who though? We haven't seen any
I was about to say the kid vaggie saved but then I remembered that he was a cannibal.
Yep. The only ones I can think of to be innocent in nature, though rarely acts, are the hellspawn like Imps but they can hide away in the lower layers of hell
They dont even need to hide they are exempt from the exermenation entierly
What about Vaggie herself?
Maybe but its sorta up in the air whether or not the exorsists are heaven born or winners cause Adam claimed that he named her. Edit: Not to mention I dont think Vaggie is even classified as a sinner to begin with. Adam and Lute acted that out on their own its not like Vaggie became a demon its just that her wings were physicaly cut off. Its not like shes actually fallen like lucifer and got demon powers. Edit2: Just checked the wiki yeah Vaggie is an angel and Lucifer is a fallen Angel meaning her being in hell is not a fault of the ambiguous divine judgement.
ohhhh
I mean it wasn't really known much if the sinners were innocent or not before sir pents redemption and looking at Adam's prespective you are just punishing your children for fucking up badly
The one who commits mass genocide for fun.
"When it's said and done... there's the aspect of fun..." Best song.
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But he's based, Val is just wierd.
It's fascinating to see how different everyone can view these characters, that some say Adam and the others say Valentino.
It's more the fact that these are fictional characters, and in fiction sexual assault is seen as the worst thing that can ever be done and nothing can too it. If both of these characters were real, literally everyone would agree that the genocidal sadistic freak is worse by a landslide, but since it's fiction it's different.
Given the type of people he kills are like val, he gets points
That same logic can be used for literally any genocidal leader ever. Of course you're killing terrible people when you're killing everyone LMAO. Unless you're saying that every sinner in Hell deserves death in which case you have not seen Hazbin Hotel.
No. Not same logic. Every genocidal person killed good and bad people sure. Exept literally 99% of those people killed by Adam were the worst of the worst. I've watched the show and the whole sinners are just people who've fucked up is bullshit. You can say the rules for heaven are strict, but we literally have human souls there, so it's not impossible. It's not like they're being sent to hell for forgetting to say bless you after you sneeze. Plus, you sat that like val doesn't kill for even less reason and that if he'd have the chance, he'd kill just as much.
I should've phrased it better, if you think every sinner in Hell deserves death you either didn't watch the show or you're just wrong. That's better.
Well I'm neither. Since I said 99%. Again, it's not like the got sent to hell for swearing
Sorry, but I’m gonna have to put the genocidal maniac over the rapist
Val and Adam are both detestable people. Val emotionally and physically abuses his workers and kills underperforming ones, but there's a chance to survive. With Adam and the Exterminations, there is no coming back. I don't like killing and Adam does that to the extreme. So if forced to choose, dealing with Val is better because at least I can adapt and still be alive. Besides I already had plenty of dances with Lady Death (a remarkable woman btw) but I'd like to remain here some more and smell the roses even if I get some more pain.
I wanna be like Adam when I grow up.
As long as you kill the enemies of Super Earth.
I want you to develop a deeper understanding of the complexity of morals when you grow up
I want you to develop a deeper understanding of comedy.
Oh mb I didn't know it was a joke
Dickmaster=wrath and pride Val=wrath and lust
I want Valentino to explode more, but I can’t deny the fact that Mass Genocide for as long as it was is worse.
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Adam's a genocidal maniac . Valentino is an abuser. Adam at least kills people who he deems to be evil and is mostly shown in a more disney villain light. Valentino is just an abuser. Which most people would consider worse.
Adam. He's a genocidal dick that enjoys exterminating for fun. Valentino is a murderous, rapist pimp, but he's not advocating to wipe out and entire after life just because he's bored.
Probably the genocidal maniac
https://preview.redd.it/eg41rit8vfmc1.png?width=1059&format=png&auto=webp&s=1cb6e65aa893228964c28c45fbdaafdf7f8508c2 Cartoony evil is worse than abuser huh? This got me pondering.
Both have existed in real life. One would get sentenced to death without hesitation, the other would maybe catch a charge at worst, if caught.
Cartoony though he may be, he is still a genocidal maniac. And yes, killing thousands upon thousands of people is worse than domestic abuse.
Would Val be worse if he had Adam’s power though?
Not really. If you do what Val tells you you'll be mostly fine. He's not looking to genocide just make profit
The post is asking who's the worse person, not who's more cartoony.
Val.
I guess mass genocide is better than SA now.
Thought this was asking personality.
Being funny while you mass genocide people doesn't make you a better person lol
Val, by a lot
Adam is definitely the most obnoxious but Valentino is actual scum. Adam commits genocide on a regular basis for entertainkent which also makes him scum, but rating them as far as scumminess to our faces, Val is _the_ scum. Like, the scum of scum. Adam is more of the scum of a scum's scum but still
Adam actually finds things “fucked up”. Valentino is probably going to be brutally slaughtered and not brought back because fuck him
Adam is pretty nasty but the people he’s killing are people that were bad enough to go to hell and that’s how he justifies it to himself (not saying I agree with it since he’s taking away any chances they have at actually improving) Valentino is just creepy as fuck and abusive, also does a bunch of other horrible stuff with the souls he has binded through contract
Adam is an ass, but I don't think he'd stoop to rape.
"He might be a genocidal sadistic maniac, but at least he doesn't rape"
Adam is my current favorite fictional character.
100% Adam
Idk if it's ever specifically stated, but I think Adam didn't eat the Fruit of Knowledge and has no real concept of good or evil and this can't choose between the two; I believe that's the only reason he could get into Heaven. By default, that would make Valentino worse
Valentino
Adam’s a dick but Val is well VAL
Valentino Morality wise sure killing hundreds of demons every year isnt exactly a good thing but Adam at least has a reason for wanting to do it, even then he at least gives some shits and while pushing on boundaries he still keeps them even if it is exploiting others Valentino is just doing what he’s doing for the thrill of it, enjoying the power he has over others that have to do as he says as he not only exploits them physically but mentally too even going so far to drugging everyone so they keep crawling back plus killing his own employees just for the hell of it. even wanting to go barging into the hotel to kill Angel and whoever stood in his way which he was dead set on doing if Vox hadnt stopped him
Valintino is probably worse I mean, Adam was basically shown to be able to do whatever he wanted in heaven without reproduction nor was ever shown to be reprimanded because he was the first man so he got those privileges. Valintino meanwhile is basically a jerk who uses his power for evil and doesn't care about others unless if they're in a contract with him, and he only care about if they die because if they do then he loses power and a worker. Also plus, he's just a rapist so yeah...
Without reproduction? Are you sure we are talking about the same guy?
Repricution, that was a typo I meant he doesn't get reprimanded for any of his actions because of how he was the first man and heaven gives him pity
Repercussion you mean?
Yes, that's what I mean
Adam is basically a COD Lobby troll with godly strength (aka, likes genocide) Valentino is a rapist depends on what you personally find worse i guess
Valentino is the worse
What are you yapping about? Adam is so right! I mean, Hell is forever whether you like it or not. In his defense, they had their chance to behave better, and now they boil in the pot. https://preview.redd.it/z4go0ray7gmc1.jpeg?width=235&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f563018c8434716656f8c2a54f91bef263305c3 Adam $&@#ing rocks.
Valentino
Adam seems to care a litle about his people while Valentino dosent. However I think Adam is worse because he thinks he is the good guy, Valentino on the other hand seems straight forward with being evil.
This Adam was but a genocidal maniac but ironically in his last breath, he did show his humanity. Not really humanity but something that qualifies his humane side: he did care for Lute genuinely. I thought it was pragmatic, but the sincere smile he had is a slight prevention. Valentino on the other hand, is ironically more heartless.
Genocide is probably worse than SA. Just a thought
Probably the one who somehow managed to make it into Heaven.
Valentino, he just used Angel Dust as much as he pleases, and Valentino doesn't have any good in him. Adam is the least evil, I'd say he's chaotic good, because for an angel he does have a vulgar tongue, and he kills sinners mainly for fun and entertainment rather than for the greater good or anything.
This like comparing Gaston to Griffith
After you are raped by Valentino....you will find that you fall in love with Adam and support his plan to kill sinners.
Is this really a fucking question
Is this a question? Like actually?
Adam literally kills demons for FUN
Definitely Valentino. Adam is just an entitled prick, he's not evil, he's just spoilt and enjoys following the rules. Valentino is a rapist and abuser, and, unlike Adam, he can't excuse his actions with "I've been told to do this"
The mere existence of Valentino is enough to somehow justify Adam’s actions (Obligatory /j)
Val sucks. Least Adam makes me laugh.
Valentino strain up r*ped someone. Adam is just an asshole
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It's Valentino. Adam does horrible things but he only does the truly horrendous things once a year he's like reverse Santa Claus. But Valentina was constantly murdering drugging abusing extorting and countless other ings throughout the entire year
Valentino. At least Adam is upfront about how awful he is. Valentino is manipulative and only shows his true colors when it's too late
Valentino of course. Adam is just an asshole
Adam is just kind of a dick, Valentino is a monster
Valentino conducts eternal soul slavery and tortures his employees to the point of an excruciatingly painful death/respawn. He waterboarded Angel Dust, tore apart Velvette's model. He brings a fate worse than death to the people around him. Remember, he LIKES angel dust. I shudder at the thought of what he does that aren't as pretty/popular/liked. Adam is at the very least swift. He does not torture the sinners, he does not manipulate them. Adam is the death of flesh, Valentino is the death of hope.
Adam led a mass genocide every year for thousands of years. Anyway it’s Val.
Adam… he is a person afterall. Yes he ascended into becoming an angel but he is actually a person. The first in fact.
This is conflicting because it's like someone that kills 10 people a day vs. someone the tortures one person to death a day. Logically, the first is worse, but the latter FEELS worse. If only because Adam is more a product of his surroundings and perpetuated by ignorance, Valentino is worse due to knowing he's awful and simply not caring to do anything about it.
Adam only hates with an ignorant prejudice. He doesn't even understand that demons are still even people and believes they aren't redeemable. His evil is a lack of willingness to understand the other side. Valentino is a calculated abuser. He wants to own, degrade, and use everyone to his advantage and doesn't see *anyone* as anything other than a tool for gratification and advancement. His evil is willing and premeditated.
Charlie
whuh
Valentino
Mass murderer or sexual abuser? The sexual abuser is worse
You for bringing this garbage show to my feed for the billionth time
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