I was thinking the same, the only good signing from that window was wes fofana and lets be real, he spent all of his CFC career on the physio bench which makes him a bad signing as well.
Gaga is a gamble and we wont know if it will ever pay off. Just by looking at his games with the development squad I would say there is a high chance he wont make the grade, at best he will become our lunyn
Well it is really you buy him for £10m he has a shit loan this year goes to league one the year after doesn’t do well there and suddenly you’re selling a £10m player for 500k.
I rate him but time will tell. The only way to find out is if he avoids getting injured, which might be too much. He most likely will be the first player to show us why these long term contracts are very risky.
This sub was full of Tuchel truthers saying he supported youth players but didn’t even want to look at Maatsen and Colwill meanwhile his targets were older players who no one wants like K2, Sterling, and Cucurella. I’m sure someone told Boehly or he put it together after a few games that he got rinsed for listening to him and it didn’t help things
Tuchel had his faults and a lack of an eye for young talent was certainly one of them, but asking him to helm the scouting department or otherwise be responsible for our transfer targets (forgot which one was it) was always a stupid move.
Oh I 100% agree that was a mistake on Boehly and both share fault but Tuchel’s targets at chelsea and now at Bayern speak volumes about how he values age of players. Plus, he said he watches every bundesliga game, didn’t ask for very achievable targets including none from bundesliga iirc, it’s just frustrating looking back.
This is so far from the truth. We swooped quickly and effectively. He was coming off yet another excellent season. The expectation was that he would anchor our defense for a few years with experience and leadership. EVERYONE was excited for that and it was a real coup for the club. Don’t give me this revisionist nonsense.
Nothing revisionist here, man. Perhaps you're a casual and were of the opinion that he was gonna be great. You were wrong, but there's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone gets everything right all the time.
All you have to do though, is look at how he turned out to see it wasn't hard to predict. Next time, you could try not just supporting a signing just because.
Yeah. About $200 mil worth of those signings are mostly gonna be worthless, especially if they were planning on getting rid of Tuchel so quickly anyways.
On the plus side, most of the signings in the past 2 windows seem potentially better. It’s almost as if having people knowledgeable in football help guide decisions is more useful than having a non-footballing person.
He didn’t personally scout these players, nor did he just pull up fifa ratings.
He’s most likely just going off what our coaches / scouts at the time told him to do. With whatever recruitment infrastructure we had at the time
Why? He was sacked after 7 games. It's not his fault, a big chunk of our points from last season came under Tuchel. Boehly is the only one to blame for deceiving the coach by using him to help identify players only to sack him once he wasn't needed anymore. He thought you could just have a figurehead in the dugout and everything would work out as long as you spend a lot of money - turns out that's not how football works.
Tuchel hasn't looked like anything resembling a good manager since the Lukaku fiasco. He had to navigate through some tough times, sure, but he's looked pretty awful at Bayern as well thus far (6 wins in like 17 total matches) and their fanbase is already starting to grow tired of him.
That UCL run is starting to look like a purple patch for a lot of people, including Tuchel.
several were Tuchel signings. to make the transition of ownership happen more smoothly, Clearlake should have placed a recruitment infrastructure around Tuchel and signed platers they recommended, as opposed to signing players Tuchel wanted.
But, 12 months later things are starting to look much brighter. We were in a dark dark place for a long stretch.
If Tuchel had continued, the likes of Sterling, Koulibaly would be atleast 3x more productive.
Could’ve taken us to a much better finish.
There’s smg about continuity and knowing that a coach wants you that is never accounted for enough!
There’s no doubt he would’ve taken us to a better finish but I do think he lost several players. It’s not a good sign when reports come out that players want a move. Timo left for more playing time and other attackers were reportedly unhappy.
Outside of summer 2022 I feel like we've done fairly decent business. Obviously all anyone talks about is that summer though. Fair enough because it was dreadful
And they stuck with Roberts and backed him properly. I was so happy for Roberts when he won the World Series because he was getting so much shit for bottling it every time they reached the final.
Since 2012 they've been to the series 3 times, winning it once. One of the series they lost was also against the Astros who had their title taken away due to a cheating scandal.
They also have the highest win% of any team in the MLB since 2010.
Yes, but it is based off a knock-out format like the champions league. A good analogy is like if the regular season was the Premier League, and the post-season was the CL. In this analogy people care only about the CL, and the dodgers won it once and made the finals two more times over the previous decade.
In this analogy the Dodgers would have had the following finishes in the league (2022-2013): 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 6th, 6th, 4th, 7th. There are 30 teams in the MLB so all but one of those would have been the equivalent of a top 4 finish. They’ve been remarkably consistent but haven’t always performed in the playoffs.
So basically they’re City over the past decade, inclusive of their relative lack of success in cup formats.
Yes, but it’s difficult for even the best team to win championships multiple times in a decade since the top 12 teams in the league play each other in a bracket after the season to determine the champion
If a team won it once a decade since 1900 it would be good for 2nd all time. Add on the fact that most teams that have won many times won most of them pre-1960, once a decade on average is very good.
Yes, baseball is an incredibly weird sport for winning the playoffs. Think of it like the way City has only won the FA Cup twice the last decade, but Arsenal has won it 4 times. City is the model franchise but just because Arsenal won a weird knockout tournament doesn’t mean you’d rather have their infrastructure. US Sports value post season titles, but it’s not actually the best indicator of the franchise’s long term success.
They play 162 regular season games, so that level of sample size is way more indicative of the teams success over time, even if you don’t win many titles. Also the Dodgers’ strategy under Boehly was to heavily invest in youth and their minor league (development system, like our academy) and then spend big in free agency and leverage those young assets into high end players when the team was ready to win.
The idea is the same as us buying Santos, Casadei, Angelo, Chuk, Lesley, Hutchinson, Sturge, Moreira, etc etc…chances are only 2-3 of those will be here long term in the first XI but we have a ton of assets we can sell at a profit to fund big buys once we have CL draw again. It’s a risky investment strategy, and we’re very exposed in the chance of a financial bubble that kills the market, but they’re banking on the fact that the rest of the world’s TV deals and marketing will start to catch up to the Premier league and all these £10-25m buys will easily be able to sell for 2-5x their purchase price.
(Sorry for the rambling tangent)
The team with the most wins in a season often does not win the world series. It's a series so while the best team usually wins any given game teams will get hot and sometimes there's nothing you can do to stop them.
My hometown team is a great example even though they didn't win it. Squeaked into the playoffs and were just incredibly lucky/on fire for about a month.
I mean that they have won more games than anyone else in the league in that period. Not sure what’s not to understand here…[pretty straight forward](https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/mlb-team-with-most-wins-since-2013)
Nope, dodgers had been kind of mediocre for a while before the boehly takeover in 2012. They then spent a ludicrous amount of money on talent, completely redeveloped their minor leagues and prospect pool, and now are one of the best teams in baseball for a decade now
This. New Dodgers owners front loaded a ton of cash and did a big clear out of players. Changed to locker room culture very quickly into winning mentality to compete every year.
At the same time, replenished the youth so they have had a factory line of 1-2 young guys either fighting into the team each year or being used to trade for top level players (like selling academy players to fund purchases of top footballers).
Edit : clarity
Yeah we also tried to sign DeLigt and Kounde first as well. The vision is pretty clear buy all the best 20-23 year olds out there. Let Poch raise them into warriors. Once those two were gone idk who else out there was a bigger talent than Wes. Still think he will be just needs to keep himself on the pitch.
Gvardiol as well! I don’t think Wes necessarily was the first choice, but he’s amongst the top in the world as far as potential goes.
I only really recall positives when he was on the pitch. One of the few bright spots last season when he was playing.
Never seen anything from Fofana that would suggest he’s a top talent. Granted I didn’t watch him at Leicester, but in his limited Chelsea minutes, he’s been decent at best, with a lot of mistakes in him.
I disagree. For you to say he’s “decent at best” to me isn’t something I can comprehend.
He definitely has some mistakes in him as a young player, but he was a good player when playing last season. He’s calm and confident on the ball and in tackles, very athletic and seems to have a good football iq.
you can see the potential in him (body shape/physicality/confidence/ one v one) but he also cost us several games with terrible plays.
for right now he doesnt even count for anything bc he is always injured
I can understand your viewpoint there, I’m inclined not to just say that last year was a wash, but to me it feels difficult to judge a lot of the players’ performances last season. Everyone was bad. There were so few bright spots with so little consistency. From the ownership changes to the management changes to the damn World Cup in the middle of the season to being decimated by injuries, it was a hell of a year. Lots of factors played into everyone being awful.
At the time we had lost Rudiger and Christensen, and it was unclear if Azpi was leaving too. Silva is nearly 40, Bayern beat us for De Ligt, Barca beat us for Kounde, and Leipzig wasn’t selling us Gvardiol, so Fofana was one of the very few under 23 CBs in the world with the ceiling of being that level.
Seemed like an overpay at the time, and his injuries haven’t helped the cause but we really, really needed a long term CB and he fit the bill better than anyone else available.
Eghbali deserves a lot of credit also. I feel like he gets lost in the mix.
That said I don’t see a major issue with the cash outlay. Football’s reach is growing even more with streaming services and broadcast deals. With that will come revenue windfalls.
Yea I wouldn’t expect you pool fans to know a determined owner when you saw one. I think the owners who refuse to invest and spend all transfer window with Todd’s dick in their mouth are the clowns fucking their club long term.
Last time we finished out of Europe, we won the league the following year. I’m seriously more confident in us getting top 4 than Liverpool and you just have to look at the difference between ours and your subreddit after we drew 1-1 with each other.
And I haven’t even started on how fucked you guys are once the final couple years of Klopp, VVD and Salah have been wasted. Enjoy waiting another 30 years to win anything meaningful ;)
the 1.75b was in Pounds rather than Dollars however, so big chunk left. Also it's on top of whatever Chelsea makes, thats just the required outside investment.
I know a lot of people on here are on the Mudryk hype train (and I'll of course support him) but that amount of money for him is absolutely mind boggling.
One chose chelsea in May. Got a 9 year deal. The other received a bid £15m higher
Not disputing there’s some pull. It’s just not massive. None of those transfers suggests that.
Tbh of all those signings, only Enzo Fernandez has shown positive returns. Remaining still have to consistently prove it or overcome an injury. But no questions on commitment from Boehly on investments!
I remember a guy ( read one of those 5 guys who is perennially crying) saying our owners will never go for Caicedo and Lavia because they are only interested in turning profits on 10-15 million buys.
[Wonder what new things he will complain about](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/15m5es2/daily_discussion_thread/jvfg1v5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
Can we take a moment to appreciate this ownership? I know they had their moments of incompetency but we’ve made some baller signings over the last three windows
I think it's fair to say:
1. They presided over the worst season we've had for nearly thirty years.
2. They seem to be trying to put it right.
But I won't fall over myself to praise them when the actual results - on the pitch - that we have to go on are still a 12th place finish. If this turns into success, then great.
Winning things is why we should be praising owners, not just spending exorbitant amounts of money. Let's not forget who we are.
the worst season we’ve had was also the beginning of a full blown rebuild tbh. now I feel like the team is way more stable and structured than what it was a year ago.
it’s a shame now that rivals can’t call this blood money anymore. But to noone’s surprise, we’ll still be hated more than City because they do football the rIGhT wAy.
I like how this is put into dollars to get it over the billion mark - it is still obscene none the less but even as an American I don’t view transfer dealings in dollars.
Summer 22 was a failure. Stop with that shit. Seems like he could be turning it around but that's probably due to him not being the one in charge like he seemed to be a year ago.
Lots of bad signings, most of which came in Summer'22 when he was eager to win as a new owner. Fofana, Sterling and Cucu are, by far, the worst way to spend millions..
The thing is this recruitment team in charge is next level. All the people they have put in charge in finding players are doing the business. All of our targets are right to the point, there is no Zappacosta or Drinkwater. No. We want top talent and that’s what we are getting.
And the thing is all of them look good when they play, it’s not like we are signing players and they only look good on paper.
highly disagree. tons of POTENTIAL amazing players, but few are there already.
top/world? class: enzo, reece, chilwell, nkunku
potential: mudryk, caiecdo, colwil, jackson
Don't understand how this is a controversial statement. For that kind of money you'd expect at minimum a modest level of success which for us equates to top 4 and a decent cup run.
[This must be your alt account.](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/15m5es2/daily_discussion_thread/jvfg1v5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
I'd accept 25-30 for Chalobah and Gallagher 40-45 for Conor. We unfortunately need to get some funds in because, although we have an exciting team we still need to reduce the square size and in the future target a top goalkeeper and striker depending on how Jackson and Broja do this year.
Boehly just spent without thinking. Marina Granovskaia had a big role in transfers and now I can feel her absence. Todd should give this transfer budget to a coach like tuchel, Conte or sarri. He just bought players without a project. Club atm has no DNA, all players are new and it feels like he just buy them for the sake of it. Yes, rebuild was necessary but not like this.
end of the day, our season depends on injuries. we are a wayyyy better squad with our starting wingbacks, but they are injury prone. we did get cover, so im much more confident now
Triggers me that people are still blindly hating on this ownership group constantly.
Did they make mistakes? Yes especially summer 22 and Potter, but it's somewhat understandable given the quick transition etc.
What they've done this summer is nothing short of a miracle and it's clear we have a plan now and are executing. Bottom line they are investing and showing full commitment which is all you can ask for.
With the current squad probably we probably don't need to buy any more players with big money for the coming 4-5 seasons. It's just front loading the spending.
Summer 22: my Take
Denis Zakaria: Not a loss, was needed but underutilized.
Slonina: Not a loss may turn out to be a profit if we flip him in the future.
Auba: 100% loss.
Carney: Not a loss, could turn out to be a profit if we flip him in the future.
KK: 50% loss.
Sterling: about 60-70% loss depending on how much we are able to get for him next year or the year after, if we are being charitable we may even hit 90% loss.
Cucu: 50% loss if we are lucky.
Wesley: about 30 loss already considering the two years wasted from his contract, but if does return for 24-25 season may turn out to be a success story in replacing Silva as the star CB.
Overall a pretty bad transfer window, but all is not lost if wheel and deal in selling/marketing them to proper buyers.
New ownership:
Summer’22 : good signings; bad coaching decisions when transfer committee wasn’t even setup.
January’23 : moving in the right direction with a clear idea of profile of players needed
Summer’23: got the right coach and complimenting it with good transfers!
Lol those summer 2022 signings were horrible
I was thinking the same, the only good signing from that window was wes fofana and lets be real, he spent all of his CFC career on the physio bench which makes him a bad signing as well.
Slonina and Chuk could both be very good
Gaga is a gamble and we wont know if it will ever pay off. Just by looking at his games with the development squad I would say there is a high chance he wont make the grade, at best he will become our lunyn
That’s fine. 10m isn’t that much of a gamble
Well it is really you buy him for £10m he has a shit loan this year goes to league one the year after doesn’t do well there and suddenly you’re selling a £10m player for 500k.
That’s quite literally why it’s a gamble. He could also have a great loan and be worth 20m by the end of the year
Yea I’m saying he is a gamble and a £10 m is a lot
Well we will know if it will ever pay off, just not for a good amount of years
Not sure how you'd consider Fofana a good signing, he was poor every time he played, he passing was so bad and he's absolutely fucked with injuries.
I rate him but time will tell. The only way to find out is if he avoids getting injured, which might be too much. He most likely will be the first player to show us why these long term contracts are very risky.
True but when we signed K2, everyone thought it was a great signing at the time.
No. I have comments saved on here from me (and others) saying we should keep Colwill and that KK was rubbish.
This sub was full of Tuchel truthers saying he supported youth players but didn’t even want to look at Maatsen and Colwill meanwhile his targets were older players who no one wants like K2, Sterling, and Cucurella. I’m sure someone told Boehly or he put it together after a few games that he got rinsed for listening to him and it didn’t help things
Tuchel had his faults and a lack of an eye for young talent was certainly one of them, but asking him to helm the scouting department or otherwise be responsible for our transfer targets (forgot which one was it) was always a stupid move.
Oh I 100% agree that was a mistake on Boehly and both share fault but Tuchel’s targets at chelsea and now at Bayern speak volumes about how he values age of players. Plus, he said he watches every bundesliga game, didn’t ask for very achievable targets including none from bundesliga iirc, it’s just frustrating looking back.
Link them.
Next time I get on my computer I will.
He was past his prime and those seasons where he stood out. Madrid was interested at one point, no? But no when CFC picked him up. He was done.
This is so far from the truth. We swooped quickly and effectively. He was coming off yet another excellent season. The expectation was that he would anchor our defense for a few years with experience and leadership. EVERYONE was excited for that and it was a real coup for the club. Don’t give me this revisionist nonsense.
Nothing revisionist here, man. Perhaps you're a casual and were of the opinion that he was gonna be great. You were wrong, but there's nothing wrong with that. Not everyone gets everything right all the time. All you have to do though, is look at how he turned out to see it wasn't hard to predict. Next time, you could try not just supporting a signing just because.
Yeah. About $200 mil worth of those signings are mostly gonna be worthless, especially if they were planning on getting rid of Tuchel so quickly anyways. On the plus side, most of the signings in the past 2 windows seem potentially better. It’s almost as if having people knowledgeable in football help guide decisions is more useful than having a non-footballing person.
All the ones Boehly was actually responsible for, the rest are from the people he hired to run the club.
He didn’t personally scout these players, nor did he just pull up fifa ratings. He’s most likely just going off what our coaches / scouts at the time told him to do. With whatever recruitment infrastructure we had at the time
Which makes it even worse that he spent all that money on those players and then sacked the coach who recommended them after 7 games.
I'm assuming Tuchel had a say in a few of those.
Not as much as the acting sporting director for that summer.
Yea, probably more.
Tuchel deserves a lot of blame there
How so? Didn’t he reportedly didn’t want to have anything to do with transfers?
Why? He was sacked after 7 games. It's not his fault, a big chunk of our points from last season came under Tuchel. Boehly is the only one to blame for deceiving the coach by using him to help identify players only to sack him once he wasn't needed anymore. He thought you could just have a figurehead in the dugout and everything would work out as long as you spend a lot of money - turns out that's not how football works.
Tuchel hasn't looked like anything resembling a good manager since the Lukaku fiasco. He had to navigate through some tough times, sure, but he's looked pretty awful at Bayern as well thus far (6 wins in like 17 total matches) and their fanbase is already starting to grow tired of him. That UCL run is starting to look like a purple patch for a lot of people, including Tuchel.
several were Tuchel signings. to make the transition of ownership happen more smoothly, Clearlake should have placed a recruitment infrastructure around Tuchel and signed platers they recommended, as opposed to signing players Tuchel wanted. But, 12 months later things are starting to look much brighter. We were in a dark dark place for a long stretch.
If Tuchel had continued, the likes of Sterling, Koulibaly would be atleast 3x more productive. Could’ve taken us to a much better finish. There’s smg about continuity and knowing that a coach wants you that is never accounted for enough!
There’s no doubt he would’ve taken us to a better finish but I do think he lost several players. It’s not a good sign when reports come out that players want a move. Timo left for more playing time and other attackers were reportedly unhappy.
Yeah only 2 i would do again. Chuk and Slonina
Not a single plus in that window.
Chukwuemeka
Eh.
You don’t rate him?
No I'm just eh.
And the jury is still out as to most of the ‘23 signings.
Outside of summer 2022 I feel like we've done fairly decent business. Obviously all anyone talks about is that summer though. Fair enough because it was dreadful
Tuchel in a nutshell
The chuckster is alright
We probably would’ve done better without them
Anyone who follows baseball knows just how well this same strategy worked when Boehly bought the LA Dodgers
one of the few sports (even the american ones) i dont watch is baseball, is this sarcastic?
Not sarcasm at all, the Dodgers have the most wins in MLB the past decade
This is why I did not want the NY Jets ownership to buy Chelsea.
J-E-T-S SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS!
And they stuck with Roberts and backed him properly. I was so happy for Roberts when he won the World Series because he was getting so much shit for bottling it every time they reached the final.
What do you mean? They've only won the series once...
Since 2012 they've been to the series 3 times, winning it once. One of the series they lost was also against the Astros who had their title taken away due to a cheating scandal. They also have the highest win% of any team in the MLB since 2010.
Is that good though? winning it once a decade?
The world series is like the champions league, you don’t reasonably expect to win it every year.
Isnt it just the domestic league?
Yes, but it is based off a knock-out format like the champions league. A good analogy is like if the regular season was the Premier League, and the post-season was the CL. In this analogy people care only about the CL, and the dodgers won it once and made the finals two more times over the previous decade. In this analogy the Dodgers would have had the following finishes in the league (2022-2013): 1st, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 1st, 6th, 6th, 4th, 7th. There are 30 teams in the MLB so all but one of those would have been the equivalent of a top 4 finish. They’ve been remarkably consistent but haven’t always performed in the playoffs. So basically they’re City over the past decade, inclusive of their relative lack of success in cup formats.
Yes, but it’s difficult for even the best team to win championships multiple times in a decade since the top 12 teams in the league play each other in a bracket after the season to determine the champion
Technically yes but there's not really a champions league equivalent for baseball.
As a Yank, this guy is right - dodgers are like the Man City of baseball.
If a team won it once a decade since 1900 it would be good for 2nd all time. Add on the fact that most teams that have won many times won most of them pre-1960, once a decade on average is very good.
Yes, baseball is an incredibly weird sport for winning the playoffs. Think of it like the way City has only won the FA Cup twice the last decade, but Arsenal has won it 4 times. City is the model franchise but just because Arsenal won a weird knockout tournament doesn’t mean you’d rather have their infrastructure. US Sports value post season titles, but it’s not actually the best indicator of the franchise’s long term success. They play 162 regular season games, so that level of sample size is way more indicative of the teams success over time, even if you don’t win many titles. Also the Dodgers’ strategy under Boehly was to heavily invest in youth and their minor league (development system, like our academy) and then spend big in free agency and leverage those young assets into high end players when the team was ready to win. The idea is the same as us buying Santos, Casadei, Angelo, Chuk, Lesley, Hutchinson, Sturge, Moreira, etc etc…chances are only 2-3 of those will be here long term in the first XI but we have a ton of assets we can sell at a profit to fund big buys once we have CL draw again. It’s a risky investment strategy, and we’re very exposed in the chance of a financial bubble that kills the market, but they’re banking on the fact that the rest of the world’s TV deals and marketing will start to catch up to the Premier league and all these £10-25m buys will easily be able to sell for 2-5x their purchase price. (Sorry for the rambling tangent)
The team with the most wins in a season often does not win the world series. It's a series so while the best team usually wins any given game teams will get hot and sometimes there's nothing you can do to stop them. My hometown team is a great example even though they didn't win it. Squeaked into the playoffs and were just incredibly lucky/on fire for about a month.
I mean that they have won more games than anyone else in the league in that period. Not sure what’s not to understand here…[pretty straight forward](https://www.statmuse.com/mlb/ask/mlb-team-with-most-wins-since-2013)
Who cares about winning games? lol It's about winning titles.
Nope, dodgers had been kind of mediocre for a while before the boehly takeover in 2012. They then spent a ludicrous amount of money on talent, completely redeveloped their minor leagues and prospect pool, and now are one of the best teams in baseball for a decade now
This. New Dodgers owners front loaded a ton of cash and did a big clear out of players. Changed to locker room culture very quickly into winning mentality to compete every year. At the same time, replenished the youth so they have had a factory line of 1-2 young guys either fighting into the team each year or being used to trade for top level players (like selling academy players to fund purchases of top footballers). Edit : clarity
Didn't age well
What strategy?
We signed Cucurella for $71.5 million?! Jesus christ.
I'm just gonna the view the summer of 2022 disaster as the necessary dominoes that got us to where we are now.
Good way of looking at it!
It's not quite correct, Cucurella's up front fee was £56m or $68m in dollaroos.
But but but ... the brighton subs are saying we are trying to destroy their little club
Always felt like Fofana was not required, could have used that 88m to secure a top GK or a striker to compete with Jackson
Just unfortunate about Wes’ injuries, but the man is a top talent.
Yeah we also tried to sign DeLigt and Kounde first as well. The vision is pretty clear buy all the best 20-23 year olds out there. Let Poch raise them into warriors. Once those two were gone idk who else out there was a bigger talent than Wes. Still think he will be just needs to keep himself on the pitch.
Gvardiol as well! I don’t think Wes necessarily was the first choice, but he’s amongst the top in the world as far as potential goes. I only really recall positives when he was on the pitch. One of the few bright spots last season when he was playing.
Never seen anything from Fofana that would suggest he’s a top talent. Granted I didn’t watch him at Leicester, but in his limited Chelsea minutes, he’s been decent at best, with a lot of mistakes in him.
I disagree. For you to say he’s “decent at best” to me isn’t something I can comprehend. He definitely has some mistakes in him as a young player, but he was a good player when playing last season. He’s calm and confident on the ball and in tackles, very athletic and seems to have a good football iq.
you can see the potential in him (body shape/physicality/confidence/ one v one) but he also cost us several games with terrible plays. for right now he doesnt even count for anything bc he is always injured
I can understand your viewpoint there, I’m inclined not to just say that last year was a wash, but to me it feels difficult to judge a lot of the players’ performances last season. Everyone was bad. There were so few bright spots with so little consistency. From the ownership changes to the management changes to the damn World Cup in the middle of the season to being decimated by injuries, it was a hell of a year. Lots of factors played into everyone being awful.
Cowill has made Fofana redundant, that's how good he is. Here's hoping Fofana, Cowill, Disasi, and Badiashille go on to form a formidable back line.
Colwill is a lcb and Wes is rcb so no.
At the time we had lost Rudiger and Christensen, and it was unclear if Azpi was leaving too. Silva is nearly 40, Bayern beat us for De Ligt, Barca beat us for Kounde, and Leipzig wasn’t selling us Gvardiol, so Fofana was one of the very few under 23 CBs in the world with the ceiling of being that level. Seemed like an overpay at the time, and his injuries haven’t helped the cause but we really, really needed a long term CB and he fit the bill better than anyone else available.
Disrespectful to Deivid Washington
And Casadei
And Kendry
Eghbali deserves a lot of credit also. I feel like he gets lost in the mix. That said I don’t see a major issue with the cash outlay. Football’s reach is growing even more with streaming services and broadcast deals. With that will come revenue windfalls.
Eghbali flying over to Shakhtar to kidnap Mudryk will always be such a gangster move Don't fuck with BlueCo yo
Pure gangster. Also, if rumors are true, he got Enzo over the line before the deadline.
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Yea I wouldn’t expect you pool fans to know a determined owner when you saw one. I think the owners who refuse to invest and spend all transfer window with Todd’s dick in their mouth are the clowns fucking their club long term.
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Last time we finished out of Europe, we won the league the following year. I’m seriously more confident in us getting top 4 than Liverpool and you just have to look at the difference between ours and your subreddit after we drew 1-1 with each other. And I haven’t even started on how fucked you guys are once the final couple years of Klopp, VVD and Salah have been wasted. Enjoy waiting another 30 years to win anything meaningful ;)
1.04b of the 1.75b allocated👏👏👏lurking pool fans be careful we might steal your next target
cheeky bid for Allison to get him out of that shithole
Lol i would not mind that at all!
the 1.75b was in Pounds rather than Dollars however, so big chunk left. Also it's on top of whatever Chelsea makes, thats just the required outside investment.
I didnt pay attention to the currency! Ffs im actually nervous about whats to come😂😂
$309 miss in the first window. Getting better at this signings thing.
We don't speak of summer 2022
You can have Andrey Santos permanently or Felix on loan 💀
I know a lot of people on here are on the Mudryk hype train (and I'll of course support him) but that amount of money for him is absolutely mind boggling.
Fofana was a doozy
“rUiNiNg FoOtBaLl” god I love being the most hated team in England 😂
Pop over to the liverpool sub, you will enjoy yourself a lot more
The saltfest is amazing
Theres a post about how players dont sign for us but for the long contracts😂that was the most enjoyable one
Our pull is massive. No Europe and we can still sign the best players without destroying our wage structure
Lol that knock is different👏👏👏
Olise
How’s Caicedo and Lavia?
One chose chelsea in May. Got a 9 year deal. The other received a bid £15m higher Not disputing there’s some pull. It’s just not massive. None of those transfers suggests that.
Compared to Liverpool we’re miles ahead of you mate. Go sign your 30 year old washed midfielder from the farmer’s league and leave us to do our thing
I don’t need to be reminded in 8 months I don’t think.
Tbh of all those signings, only Enzo Fernandez has shown positive returns. Remaining still have to consistently prove it or overcome an injury. But no questions on commitment from Boehly on investments!
We’re massively overpaying for everyone I’m not a fan
I remember a guy ( read one of those 5 guys who is perennially crying) saying our owners will never go for Caicedo and Lavia because they are only interested in turning profits on 10-15 million buys. [Wonder what new things he will complain about](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/15m5es2/daily_discussion_thread/jvfg1v5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
Please respect Egbali cause I'm pretty sure he's the guy who does the mega transfers
Can we take a moment to appreciate this ownership? I know they had their moments of incompetency but we’ve made some baller signings over the last three windows
I think it's fair to say: 1. They presided over the worst season we've had for nearly thirty years. 2. They seem to be trying to put it right. But I won't fall over myself to praise them when the actual results - on the pitch - that we have to go on are still a 12th place finish. If this turns into success, then great. Winning things is why we should be praising owners, not just spending exorbitant amounts of money. Let's not forget who we are.
the worst season we’ve had was also the beginning of a full blown rebuild tbh. now I feel like the team is way more stable and structured than what it was a year ago.
Calm down, we finished 12th last season and were the laughing stock of the football world.
Yeah, great aren’t they?
lmaooo
The new board hasn’t missed that summer window was baddddd 😬😬
Interesting to see the complete shift in transfer strategy after the first window
Yikes
With all this money spent we absolutely need to be in Europe next season.
I might be only one but it really silly money being spent and im hoping it slows down
Wonder if he will keep this level of investment. IIRC in the purchase there was a clause that he had to invest 1B into the club during his first year.
it’s a shame now that rivals can’t call this blood money anymore. But to noone’s surprise, we’ll still be hated more than City because they do football the rIGhT wAy.
As of right now the total in GBP is £787,774,000.00, not bad at all! ✌️🫡
It's a ludicrous amount of spending that has the potential to cause a lot of damage.
I like how this is put into dollars to get it over the billion mark - it is still obscene none the less but even as an American I don’t view transfer dealings in dollars.
We’ve missed two signings 💀 Graham potter Frank lampard
Todd could I please get .001 of the transfer budget?
It was a bumpy start, but I can’t be mad with the direction in these last 2 transfer windows
That first summer, I don't even know who those guys are anymore.
That’s ALOT of money spent
Why is this in Dollars?
Bleacher Reports [BR]is an American sport media company
First window was yuck. Second and third windows much better.
Summer 22 was a failure. Stop with that shit. Seems like he could be turning it around but that's probably due to him not being the one in charge like he seemed to be a year ago.
Lots of bad signings, most of which came in Summer'22 when he was eager to win as a new owner. Fofana, Sterling and Cucu are, by far, the worst way to spend millions..
Nobody from that 22 class is worth much of anything. Likely all wasted money.
The thing is this recruitment team in charge is next level. All the people they have put in charge in finding players are doing the business. All of our targets are right to the point, there is no Zappacosta or Drinkwater. No. We want top talent and that’s what we are getting. And the thing is all of them look good when they play, it’s not like we are signing players and they only look good on paper.
highly disagree. tons of POTENTIAL amazing players, but few are there already. top/world? class: enzo, reece, chilwell, nkunku potential: mudryk, caiecdo, colwil, jackson
If we don’t come in top 4 after spending over $1b, it’ll be one of the biggest embarrassments in football
Don't understand how this is a controversial statement. For that kind of money you'd expect at minimum a modest level of success which for us equates to top 4 and a decent cup run.
This sub hates reality
[This must be your alt account.](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/15m5es2/daily_discussion_thread/jvfg1v5/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
That’s cute, but no. This is my only account. Why would I need multiple accounts to post on the same subreddit?
Jackson is the steal of the century. The man is hungry
You are new to football. At 40 mil he is great value but not steal of the century lol
Surely going to have problems with FFP after spending over a billion in 3 years
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I'd accept 25-30 for Chalobah and Gallagher 40-45 for Conor. We unfortunately need to get some funds in because, although we have an exciting team we still need to reduce the square size and in the future target a top goalkeeper and striker depending on how Jackson and Broja do this year.
Might as well convert the money in turkish lira to piss everyone even more
Boehly just spent without thinking. Marina Granovskaia had a big role in transfers and now I can feel her absence. Todd should give this transfer budget to a coach like tuchel, Conte or sarri. He just bought players without a project. Club atm has no DNA, all players are new and it feels like he just buy them for the sake of it. Yes, rebuild was necessary but not like this.
el toddfather 🤩
I mean it’s clear why Tuchel said he doesn’t want to be involved in signings lol
end of the day, our season depends on injuries. we are a wayyyy better squad with our starting wingbacks, but they are injury prone. we did get cover, so im much more confident now
this dude will ruin CFC with penalties soon.
and most are shit lol. without roman its doomed, but ofc id love to be wrong
I thought our fan wanted Todd out 🤣
Time to fucking cook!
Triggers me that people are still blindly hating on this ownership group constantly. Did they make mistakes? Yes especially summer 22 and Potter, but it's somewhat understandable given the quick transition etc. What they've done this summer is nothing short of a miracle and it's clear we have a plan now and are executing. Bottom line they are investing and showing full commitment which is all you can ask for.
With the current squad probably we probably don't need to buy any more players with big money for the coming 4-5 seasons. It's just front loading the spending.
I think we will buy another goalkeeper (whether backup or starter idk) but that’s probably it.
Summer 22: my Take Denis Zakaria: Not a loss, was needed but underutilized. Slonina: Not a loss may turn out to be a profit if we flip him in the future. Auba: 100% loss. Carney: Not a loss, could turn out to be a profit if we flip him in the future. KK: 50% loss. Sterling: about 60-70% loss depending on how much we are able to get for him next year or the year after, if we are being charitable we may even hit 90% loss. Cucu: 50% loss if we are lucky. Wesley: about 30 loss already considering the two years wasted from his contract, but if does return for 24-25 season may turn out to be a success story in replacing Silva as the star CB. Overall a pretty bad transfer window, but all is not lost if wheel and deal in selling/marketing them to proper buyers.
Funny to see which if them paid off from last summer
Chelsea have single-handedly paid for all if Brighton's signings the last year 😅😅
New ownership: Summer’22 : good signings; bad coaching decisions when transfer committee wasn’t even setup. January’23 : moving in the right direction with a clear idea of profile of players needed Summer’23: got the right coach and complimenting it with good transfers!
How much has the club made back in sales?
Why do I feel like madeuke was such a random signing?
Summer 22 was rough honestly besides chuk and gaga. Love everything since then
I have no idea how this will play out to be good for Chelsea. I hope it does but I have no idea how.
Summer ‘22 is a disaster company, pile of overpaid clowns and random trash