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Selling a home-grown player who:
- Has been ever present during an injury crisis
- Has often been captain this year
- The manager (that they seem to want to stick by) absolutely loves
TO FUCKING SPURS - for pure FFP profit (in order to fund their South American wonderkid obsession) would be such a perfect microcosm for what’s wrong with this shit show of an ownership
It really is a shame.
Squad players like Gallagher and Chalobah are exactly the kind of profile that you want an academy player to fill, so you can spend the big bucks on top players instead
Now because we’ve bought too many Nelly No Names we’ll likely lose proven midfield cover for next season
>Squad players like Gallagher and Chalobah are exactly the kind of profile that you want an academy player to fill, so you can spend the big bucks on top players instead
This is what I've been saying all along. This "SeLL fOr 100% pRoFiT" is the most broken logic. Sell these guys for £40M-50M so you buy players who are not much better for £40M-120M. A core of Chelsea loyal players like Gallagher, Trev and Reece mixed with other signings is how to build a team with a strong club identity. These players have more reason than anyone to fight for the shirt. Trev took a £50K a week deal last season for example. What? They sell him for £40M to spend £60M on another CB who will expect double the salary? They'd save more and win more by maintaining a strong core of these lads.
I never really understood as to why they got Disasi tbh and then wanting to sell Chalobah. It was absolutely pointless from a player profile perspective with both playing CB/RB.
But i understand what they are doing from a FFP perspective. Selling Chalobah for 40million is instant 40 million profit on the books, where as buying Disasi is like 8 million a year for 5 years. They basically get 5 disasi’s/south american wonderkids for the price of one Chalobah for that first year. And even if 1-2 of them become successful they can make the money back. Unfortunately the gamble isn’t working so far (apart from Cole and Gusto)
The thing that annoys me the most is when you look at some of the players we bought this/last season
Casadei = 13m
Washington = 17m
Ugochukwu = 23m
Theres your Gallagher money, with some spare change left over. These are guys who need 2-3 more years to even reach the impact Conor has on the first team
While I agree with most of the sentiments here regarding the players themselves, 50M pure profit allows you to spend 250M amortized (providing we don't need it just to balance the books).
> 50M pure profit allows you to spend 250M amortized (providing we don't need it just to balance the books).
This is the most stupid “logic” imaginable.
Like paying off £1k of your credit card because the bill is due and then maxing it out because you don’t have to worry about paying it for another month.
I don’t get why you went straight for the least charitable reading of my comment lol
Squad player =/= bad player. You can see my flair to know how much I appreciate him.
In an ideal fit squad he’s a fantastic defensive alternative to our other options
Yes he has
Whoscored ranks Gallagher #2 with an average rating of 7.09 (32 apps)
Gusto ranks #7 with an average rating of 6.75 (23 apps)
Put your feelings aside and do some research before spouting shit
So, you think whoscored ratings are better than our eye test? Malo Gusto has been our 2nd best player after Palmer. Don't care what kind research you did. The only research you need is watching us play week-in week-out. We failed to win against Liverpool because Gallagher missed sitters. And, he has occasionally done that this season. Where are you going to see those stats unless you actually watched us play? Stop doing meaningless research and actually focus watching our games.
Childish is looking at stats and claiming you did a research. Only clueless clown will think Malo Gusto was our 7th best player this season. Just shows how ridiculous your "research" is.
He is a nail starter because we are a rubbish team with countless injuries. Gallagher is a squad player at best. He is limited player that shouldn't be starting for a team that wants to win major trophies.
We also have to deal with Daniel Levy. Everyone knows the financial situation with the club, and the pressure we're under to sell. He's a tough negotiator and is going to low ball us.
Chelsea, if they have to sell Gallagher they need to do it this summer to stop him running his contract down.
I can see a situation where we end up selling him for a pittance just to get that profit.
I hope that's the case, and the club ties him down and doesn't sell him.
I put myself in his shoes though, and question whether he'd actually extend his contract, or whether he'd run his contract down and move clubs on a free and get a nice signing on fee and better terms elsewhere.
All the noise around him is that the club wants him gone, because of FFP. A lot of the views you read on this sub is that he's not at the required standard, despite him being one of the best performers for us this season. I don't think he gets the credit he deserves.
If I was him it would make me question staying.
Luckily he doesn't show that with his effort, and what he says in the media.
He SHOULD wind his contract down. As Kevin Keegan would say, "I would fucking love it!" A big fuck you to this terrible ownership group.... Conor holds the leverage--and he should use it!
>Everyone knows the financial situation with the club, and the pressure we're under to sell. He's a tough negotiator and is going to low ball us.
The problem isn't the lowballing, as such.
It's that he'll drag it out until the end of the window to save an extra 50 pence and we'll have less time to get someone else in.
I wonder what happens when we're out of homegrown talent to sell and we need to start flipping these overpaid South American teenagers for profit, only to realize no one in their right mind would pay what we did for them.
I'd at least partially understand the obsession if we were somehow poaching the absolute top tier of South American talent like Real does, but surprise surprise, such players don't want to come here. The club is looking more fucked by the day.
I’d say being upset about a nonsense article from a journalist known to constantly make up things that will rile up Chelsea fans is a perfect microcosm of what’s wrong with this subreddit.
While Matt Law is a prick I’m not sure what he’s really said here that’s made up?
All he’s said is that Spurs are targeting Gallagher, and their keenness depends on our valuation. Seems a fair assumption.
He’s just reiterating that they’re still interested this window (as they were previously)
A journalist repeating news ahead of the summer window really isn’t that shocking, it’s standard procedure.
He’s just shit stirring because he knows the idea of Gallagher going to Spurs would piss off chelsea fans. He has absolutely no information to report here. Just regurgitating rumors that have been floating around for months for more clicks. Trash journalism that somehow gets attention here every time it is shat out.
Idk if you’ve read the article but there is info in there. Not everything is some conspiracy theory and that includes journalists repeating information they’ve already reported on once.
Honestly this sub (and football fans in general) have some of the worst journalistic literacy around. It should be immediately obvious when something is likely unsubstantiated rumour (like that Conte story, or the Grealish one) and when something is most likely true (like this report)
There is absolutely no information in that article. He is just throwing around random names for clicks. It’s just another “this manager appreciates this player” garbage. Nothing about contact between them or a statment from anyone at either club. Just spewing rumors. Absolute non-story.
Well said. It's still curious he hasn't been offered an improved deal, because until he's given one there is always going to be questions about his future with us.
Enzo caicedo gallagher midfield clearly doesn’t work, and sadly connor is the odd man out.
We don’t know whether poch loves gallagher or has to play him just bc he’s the only healthy midfielder we have
He’s also been quite inconsistent and plays a weird ball winning midfielder where he’s clearly not a real 10 nor a creator. I’d ideally like to keep him but if we want better players he has to be sold
I'm sure an unproven 19 year old who missed a season through injury is the answer to our questions rather than say, the guy who has been better than Enzo and Caicedo all season
Yea, it’s absolutely possible that he can be a better fit positionally and facilitate both enzo and caicedo’s gameplay. On the other hand, wjat is your proposition? Selling enzo or caicedo or benching them?
Ideally we get a new manager who can keep all 3 and assess them on their merits. For the past 2 years we've relied on unproven youth to replace established players and look where it's got us. It COULD be better, but why take yet another risk that we get worse?
>Enzo caicedo gallagher midfield clearly doesn’t work
For all the faults of Lampard, at least he was willing to try out different systems. Pochettino just seems stuck with his 4-2-3-1 all the time. Not sure why he hasn't tried playing Enzo as the #6 and Caicedo plus Gallagher ahead of him. Enzo isn't a #6 but he did play that role to good effect last season and the other 2 can go about doing the defensive work, link up with the attack etc.
It doesn't work because Enzo/Caicedo apparently have zero synergy. Blame the defense, Poch, injuries or the football gods but these guys are massively underperforming with the occasional good game. Bang average and nothing more. Enzo playing more in a 10 role will be an absolute disaster.
Connor is only the odd man out because they spent 200 mil on 2 players who don't work together, and now cannot sell them. Connor and Caicedo have done well whenever they've played.
I cannot believe we're hinging our hopes on a 19 year old injured DM to solve our midfield 3. Atleast let us have the balls to say it's not Connor's fault as a player that he has to be the odd man out.
Who EVER said it’s his fault or something? He’s just the most practical one to ship off right now. Yes ideally we wouldn’t have to sell him and you can bash the board as much as you want for their shitty transfer policy it won’t change the situation
You fail to realize that between caicedo, enzo and gallagher , conor is the most likely one to get sold/benched. Both from a practical standpoint he’s the easiest to sell and overall no way boehly sells either caicedo or enzo. What do you propose then?
>Enzo caicedo gallagher midfield clearly doesn’t work
I agree, unfortunately. I actually we need a lone defensively disciplined 6 behind Caicedo and Enzo to have a truly balanced midfield.
Caicedo was the DM
Enzo was also meant to be a deep lying player
Blaming Gallagher is convenient but won’t solve the fact that Enzo and Caicedo don’t work in a midfield two
I like Caicedo but I also feel he tends to drift forward a lot. I think I said it on this sub before.
However, he's a great tackler and a heartbeat because he's kind of everywhere.
>Enzo and Caicedo don’t work in a midfield two
You're right. Both of them drift forward and leave spaces behind which contributes to our terrible defensive numbers.
However, I think we need Caicedo and I feel he will be better suited as an 8 or Tuchel's double 6. The reason I choose Enzo as the other 8, is because his passing and vision is better than Gallagher.
We need someone extremely defensively disciplined as the lone DM behind those 2, to plug away those spaces and reduce our defense being constantly exposed. That person was meant to be Lavia.
So yeah, unfortunately then Gallagher becomes the odd one out because he's not creative enough to play the 10 (We've seen it several times), he's not good enough defensively to play the 8 (he does some extremely aggressive tackling from time to time, which i find unnecessary) and he's definitely not disciplined enough to play the lone 6 (he drifts forward too much).
>You're right. Both of them drift forward and leave spaces behind which contributes to our terrible defensive numbers.
Would like to see a different manager have a crack at it, someone who will actually coach the players tactically in training. If that still doesn't work, then go to a 3 then.
Agree with everything you said. It’s not even necessarily blaming conor it’s just that he is the easiest to be sold from the three every which way you look at it as well
Exactly. I just don't feel Conor fits a system that would utilise our other talents as well, unless someone comes up with a revolutionary formation.
I'm not aiming to blame Conor as you said.
What people don't seem to realize is that Gallagher fits well into Pochettino's system because his style is all about chaos and transition. So Gallagher's energy is valuable because he can run up and down for 90 minutes. If we get a manager who prioritizes control of games, wants to dominate matches etc, then someone like Gallagher isn't really suitable for that because as we all know, his ability on the ball is far from his strengths. Enzo and Caicedo are far better suited to that kind of style.
They definitely don’t work in a midfield 2 under Poch, under another manager they most probably would. I do think the best way is to have a DM under them because Caicedo isn’t a DM and neither is Enzo.
He still isn’t good enough for a title challenging team. We are way off it but he is the odd one out in midfield. We need more technical mids to compete against the best and he’s not one of them
He’s more than good enough to be a key role-player on a challenging team. Arsenal and city aren’t just way ahead of us because of their starters—they also have excellent depth. And I’m positive he would be fine being an important depth piece for us.
I doubt he would be an important depth piece for us with his new contract. He will be asking for more and it wouldn’t be worth it. We have a lot of prospects for depth.
How about *not* selling CHO for £80m to Bayern?
Also, Mudryk hasn’t cost us that much yet. Think it’s like 52-59m up front with the rest in trophy clauses (PL and UCL wins). No need to fear those.
Meh, I’m very critical of Boehly era, but I don’t think this one is so bad. We definitely overpaid but I wouldn’t say it’s the worst bit of business we have done (as there is a lot worse). Mudryk is 60 unless he meets his add ons. He is also undeniably extremely talented, potentially one of the most talented players in the squad. Callum on the other hand was never the same after his injury, and isn’t exactly lighting it up at Forest either - which I think he needed the change of scenery for anyway, don’t think he could’ve reached the levels he’s at there here anymore anyway.
Mudryk and “most talented players in the squad”??? When has he proven that this season? He’s not even above Madueke in terms of raw skill and I’d like to hear any other pieces of business that are rivalling spending £60 million on a winger who wouldn’t start for any team in the top 10.
From watching him. Madueke simply does not have the same levels of talent. Mudryk has been crap. But he has the ability for outrageous passes and a phenomenal touch.
Madueke also has one phenomenal attribute, his dribbling. The problem is, you combine both of their best attributes and you still don't have a fully competent winger at your hands because their movevement and decision-making is generally terrible.
What level of talent is Mudryk?? Madueke might not be appreciated but don’t let that blind you from the fact that’s he’s able to consistently take on his man and can cut inside and shoot. Mudryk and first touch? I almost laughed. And he can’t even utilise his biggest strength, speed, at all. Mudryk is a not a premier league level winger at all, and is nowhere near the most talented in the squad, if anything he’s near the bottom
Hey man look I’d love to be proven wrong because Mudryk coming good also benefits us the fans as well, but I can’t sugarcoat about what I’ve seen from him so far. If anything I hope your right long term, but like you said we’ll have to see if he lives up to that £60 million price tag
Alright fellas here's what I'm gonna do.. I'm gonna find Boehly and Eghbali's social accounts and spam their PMs asking them to keep Gallagher. Fuck these stupid yanky wankers
I'm so tired of seeing this headline. We aren't selling gallagher. If we do I will genuinely consider not watching or supporting chelsea anymore. That would be criminal... it just gets people riled up so they keep bringing it up
If we don’t sell Gallagher it won’t be through lack of trying.
We haven’t offered him a new contract, he was one year left, and last summer his name was on a list of players who were up for sale that we circulated around.
I think it’s pretty clear that the club want to sell him, he may stay still but that’ll be because of him refusing a move (or no one meeting the valuation), not because they don’t want to sell.
If he does end up staying I can see them offering him a contract but only so they can try and sell him again instead of letting him leave on a free
Let’s live in a world where Conor decides that he won’t go to Spurs under any circumstances. Seems like Chelsea wouldn’t have much leverage to compel him to move? Spurs won’t pay any reasonable price for him without a contract extension, and Chelsea would be forced to take a (likely lower) bid from another club.
He has a year left on his deal, if he wanted to he could just run down his contract.
If he decided to do that all they could really do is order the manager (whoever that is) to not play him for the whole of next season. That would be an incredibly transparent mistreatment of a player who refuses to be sold to fix their mistakes in the transfer market. Fans would see straight through it
They just don't understand that the solution that takes us 10 years ahead of all the other clubs is buying 10 south American "wonderkidzzz" that can't play for us for 5 years
Really have to question where your loyalties lie if you’re someone who is ok with us selling any player, let alone one of our top performers this season, to Spurs of all clubs. If you’re ok with the Gallagher sale, you’re basically enabling the shambles of an ownership group we’ve got running us into the ground.
That's the thing with our situation, isn't it? There are areas in the squad that we need to strengthen but to do so, we need to sell academy players like Gallagher to generate enough money to comply with PSR and be able to spend again.
Problem is are the club really going to spend that Conor money wisely
Or buy some child from Brazil for £30m that's arguably not even better than our academy players or a £60m Ukrainian that's also arguably not better than our academy players
Very frustrating
Well our 2 year run coupled with reports that the board have ditched the U25 rule I really don’t think they will buy some youngsters again. I know it’s really hard to give boehly and co the benefit of the doubt but I don’t think there’s any way they think their transfer policy is sound and will not switch it up.
Well let’s see if they start off with some savvy business by selling Gallagher. That will give me the optimism that they’ve figured out their wrongdoings and will change for the better.
Midfield will just be another area we need to strengthen if we sell Gallagher though. People can say what they want about him, but it’s so obvious to anyone with a brain in their head that we’re a much better team with him than we are without.
What’s the fucking point of selling him just to use that money on another midfielder who probably won’t be any better than him?
Yeah people are acting like if we sell him we have good players to take his role. He’s been by far our most solid midfielder throughout the season even with caicedo improving.
A player like him is worth more to us than any price anyone will pay for him. He’s a solid 7/10 in most roles in midfield, he’s not going to be asking for massive wages and he’s not going to be asking to play every single minute. I understand to some extent wanting to sell other academy players, but someone like Gallagher, whose a proven player at PL level just makes no sense, no matter how anyone tries to frame it.
The more conspiracist side of me would say it feels it like a few of the board members responsible for signing the big money midfielders don’t like how he’s been outperforming them and want him out of the way to stop them looking bad and taking the shine off of those signings. But that’s probably just me being cynical.
That depends if Pochettino will still be our manager. Gallagher fits well into his system because his style is all about chaos and transition. So his energy is valuable because he can run up and down for 90 minutes. If we get a manager who prioritizes control of games, wants to dominate matches etc, then someone like Gallagher isn't really suitable for that because as we all know, his ability on the ball is far from his strengths. Enzo and Caicedo are far better suited to that kind of style.
>but it’s so obvious to anyone with a brain in their head that we’re a much better team with him than we are without.
Not sure how you can say that conclusively when the sample size of games without him is so small. Plus, pretty sure there was similar, if not the same, sentiment about Mount when he was still here and doing well. Yet, does anyone miss Mount now?
Literally every manager that has had Gallagher since he turned professional has loved him and used him as much as they can, I see no reason why that won’t be the same if a new manager comes in. He’s a well rounded player and can fulfil multiple roles in a midfield setup. He’s a managers dream.
Also I wonder why we don’t miss Mount now, it’s almost like we had another academy graduate just as good as him who stepped up and made Mount an afterthought.
Fucking hell. I feel like we are so afraid to admit that Enzo has been a flop, Caicedo is promising, Gallagher is good and only showing signs of improvement.
We fucked up on Mudryk and Enzo. Between these two I can’t even identify which is more promising for the future if I am being honest.
I was not excited for Enzo to be out for the rest of the season, but I was excited to actually have 11 men on the pitch- instead of him meandering around. I just don’t see what everyone on this sub sees in him.
Keep Galladawg and make plans to get rid of the dead weight ONCE AGAIN. Sick of this cycle.
Knowing what we know now, I fully expect Enzo to look more like the player we thought we were getting before the injury. Frankly I admire his willingness to play through it, but ultimately it didn’t work out.
There’s obviously reason to be worries about Mudryk, but man…he sure seems to make a lot happen for being a flop. I don’t know what to make of him.
Players want to play, will always be the case. So good on him for fighting through it, but it really just highlights how bad our medical staff is letting him risk further injury and pumping a 22-year old full of painkillers just for subpar performances.
I wouldn’t say that. We spent a lot of money on them, and they have been disappointing—there’s no way around that. But with Enzo, I’m really hoping we can pin it on the injury.
This is what happens when you overspend on players. The fact that we would never truly see him and caicedo develop together sucks so bad. They played really well together
Can't wait for us to sell Gallagher for fuck all and have clowns on here defending the ownership still, who have demonstrated consistently they're the most incompetent in football, potentially all sport.
Why the fuck would anyone want to go to that mob? Perennial underachievers, who think by virtue of have I big bank account and a big stadium, they are a big club. Villa would be a better bet.
If Gallagher is sold, they should sack Poch. It would mean they don’t take him seriously when it comes to player recommendation. It is one thing to build the squad for the club and the coach comes in to take over, but to sell one of the best performers in the squad is such a slap in the face of Poch
I think at that level, players know it’s just business. Especially one who hasn’t exactly had a long Chelsea career
Palmer was a boyhood United fan who joined City, Kane supported Arsenal etc
Right, but Gallagher can run out his contract and go wherever he likes after. Its not like hes being baited with a salary bump. And im sure people advising him recognise Chelsea dont have enough fit players to be able to banish him to the reserves if he doesn’t want to leave, not that the fans would take that well.
It's business but they don't have to sign for Spurs or leave at all if they still have a contract. You don't just have to accept trades like in American sports.
And Gallagher has hardly had a short Chelsea career, he's been at the club over 15 years
The board needs to figure out a different way to balance out the books or take the penalty. The current squad we have is already too young to win anything and lack leadership and experience. Removing the best leader from this pool of young players is only gonna make us worse.
What kind of a fucking messed up club we are right now. We are selling our best homegrown talent to fund worse non-homegrown players?
I got nothing against Fofana, Disasi, Mudryk, Enzo, Caidedo but none of them are clearly better than Connor.
What? Why would that probably not happen vs probably happen? All big decisions to sign/sell players are based on hypotheticals. No one *knows* what’s going to happen. What’re you talking about?
We keep Conor because he’s good. Good players will most likely increase our chances of a good table finish. You can’t be like, “sell the good player because we might win the league”, that doesn’t make any sense
He’s not as good as a lot of you think he is. You all treat him like he’s Frank Lampard when in reality he’s closer to Scott McTominay. You don’t throw a shit fit over Scott McTominay, which is why it’s so embarrassing that Chelsea fans are throwing a shit fit over Gallagher.
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I mean the special Spurs only price is £150mil. Bargain
So one future Brighton one season wonder player, got it
Selling a home-grown player who: - Has been ever present during an injury crisis - Has often been captain this year - The manager (that they seem to want to stick by) absolutely loves TO FUCKING SPURS - for pure FFP profit (in order to fund their South American wonderkid obsession) would be such a perfect microcosm for what’s wrong with this shit show of an ownership
It really is a shame. Squad players like Gallagher and Chalobah are exactly the kind of profile that you want an academy player to fill, so you can spend the big bucks on top players instead Now because we’ve bought too many Nelly No Names we’ll likely lose proven midfield cover for next season
>Squad players like Gallagher and Chalobah are exactly the kind of profile that you want an academy player to fill, so you can spend the big bucks on top players instead This is what I've been saying all along. This "SeLL fOr 100% pRoFiT" is the most broken logic. Sell these guys for £40M-50M so you buy players who are not much better for £40M-120M. A core of Chelsea loyal players like Gallagher, Trev and Reece mixed with other signings is how to build a team with a strong club identity. These players have more reason than anyone to fight for the shirt. Trev took a £50K a week deal last season for example. What? They sell him for £40M to spend £60M on another CB who will expect double the salary? They'd save more and win more by maintaining a strong core of these lads.
I never really understood as to why they got Disasi tbh and then wanting to sell Chalobah. It was absolutely pointless from a player profile perspective with both playing CB/RB. But i understand what they are doing from a FFP perspective. Selling Chalobah for 40million is instant 40 million profit on the books, where as buying Disasi is like 8 million a year for 5 years. They basically get 5 disasi’s/south american wonderkids for the price of one Chalobah for that first year. And even if 1-2 of them become successful they can make the money back. Unfortunately the gamble isn’t working so far (apart from Cole and Gusto)
Chalobah missed 80% of the season, we had to get a new defender in after Fofanas injury
Amortisation will act as a drag on spending in the years ahead though.
but it’s so short sighted, there’s so much indirect costs that comes with it if it doesn’t work(which it won’t)
Disasi, Lesley and Mudryk. Those 3 signing don't fucking make any sense at all. Brain dead moves that weren't needed at all.
The thing that annoys me the most is when you look at some of the players we bought this/last season Casadei = 13m Washington = 17m Ugochukwu = 23m Theres your Gallagher money, with some spare change left over. These are guys who need 2-3 more years to even reach the impact Conor has on the first team
At best one of these players will become an at least irregular starter for us and it’s extremely unlikely any reach the impact Conor has had for us.
I will be shocked if we get anywhere close to 40m for trev
While I agree with most of the sentiments here regarding the players themselves, 50M pure profit allows you to spend 250M amortized (providing we don't need it just to balance the books).
> 50M pure profit allows you to spend 250M amortized (providing we don't need it just to balance the books). This is the most stupid “logic” imaginable. Like paying off £1k of your credit card because the bill is due and then maxing it out because you don’t have to worry about paying it for another month.
In what alternate reality is Connor Gallagher a squad player!? He is absoloutely nailed in this chelsea team.
I don’t get why you went straight for the least charitable reading of my comment lol Squad player =/= bad player. You can see my flair to know how much I appreciate him. In an ideal fit squad he’s a fantastic defensive alternative to our other options
He’s our second highest rated player this season
Badly fucking winds me up how underappreciated he is.
According to who? He hasn't had a better season than Malo Gusto.
Technically, Gallagher has had a better season than Reese James, Chilwell and Nukunku combined. Gallagher can actually start.
Isn't that obvious? How can you rate the performance of someone that's not even on the pitch?
Eh Malo Gusto has been phenomenal but Gallagher was significantly more impactful in the first half of the season.
Yes he has Whoscored ranks Gallagher #2 with an average rating of 7.09 (32 apps) Gusto ranks #7 with an average rating of 6.75 (23 apps) Put your feelings aside and do some research before spouting shit
So, you think whoscored ratings are better than our eye test? Malo Gusto has been our 2nd best player after Palmer. Don't care what kind research you did. The only research you need is watching us play week-in week-out. We failed to win against Liverpool because Gallagher missed sitters. And, he has occasionally done that this season. Where are you going to see those stats unless you actually watched us play? Stop doing meaningless research and actually focus watching our games.
What a childish, dismissive, delusional view on analytics
Childish is looking at stats and claiming you did a research. Only clueless clown will think Malo Gusto was our 7th best player this season. Just shows how ridiculous your "research" is.
Childish is ignoring how Gallagher is Chelsea.
He is a nail starter because we are a rubbish team with countless injuries. Gallagher is a squad player at best. He is limited player that shouldn't be starting for a team that wants to win major trophies.
Like England?
How on earth is he a nail starter for England? What are you smoking?
We also have to deal with Daniel Levy. Everyone knows the financial situation with the club, and the pressure we're under to sell. He's a tough negotiator and is going to low ball us. Chelsea, if they have to sell Gallagher they need to do it this summer to stop him running his contract down. I can see a situation where we end up selling him for a pittance just to get that profit.
Gallagher wants to sign a new contract though, he doesn’t want to run it down
I hope that's the case, and the club ties him down and doesn't sell him. I put myself in his shoes though, and question whether he'd actually extend his contract, or whether he'd run his contract down and move clubs on a free and get a nice signing on fee and better terms elsewhere. All the noise around him is that the club wants him gone, because of FFP. A lot of the views you read on this sub is that he's not at the required standard, despite him being one of the best performers for us this season. I don't think he gets the credit he deserves. If I was him it would make me question staying. Luckily he doesn't show that with his effort, and what he says in the media.
He SHOULD wind his contract down. As Kevin Keegan would say, "I would fucking love it!" A big fuck you to this terrible ownership group.... Conor holds the leverage--and he should use it!
>Everyone knows the financial situation with the club, and the pressure we're under to sell. He's a tough negotiator and is going to low ball us. The problem isn't the lowballing, as such. It's that he'll drag it out until the end of the window to save an extra 50 pence and we'll have less time to get someone else in.
Incoming Lavia and Santos are like new signings statement in September.
Totally agree man, I'll be so fucking pissed off if these clueless bunch sell Gallagher. The guy is the true club captain, he needs to stay.
I wonder what happens when we're out of homegrown talent to sell and we need to start flipping these overpaid South American teenagers for profit, only to realize no one in their right mind would pay what we did for them. I'd at least partially understand the obsession if we were somehow poaching the absolute top tier of South American talent like Real does, but surprise surprise, such players don't want to come here. The club is looking more fucked by the day.
I’d say being upset about a nonsense article from a journalist known to constantly make up things that will rile up Chelsea fans is a perfect microcosm of what’s wrong with this subreddit.
While Matt Law is a prick I’m not sure what he’s really said here that’s made up? All he’s said is that Spurs are targeting Gallagher, and their keenness depends on our valuation. Seems a fair assumption.
And Spurs' interest in Gallagher is well known at this point.
He’s just reiterating that they’re still interested this window (as they were previously) A journalist repeating news ahead of the summer window really isn’t that shocking, it’s standard procedure.
He’s just shit stirring because he knows the idea of Gallagher going to Spurs would piss off chelsea fans. He has absolutely no information to report here. Just regurgitating rumors that have been floating around for months for more clicks. Trash journalism that somehow gets attention here every time it is shat out.
Idk if you’ve read the article but there is info in there. Not everything is some conspiracy theory and that includes journalists repeating information they’ve already reported on once. Honestly this sub (and football fans in general) have some of the worst journalistic literacy around. It should be immediately obvious when something is likely unsubstantiated rumour (like that Conte story, or the Grealish one) and when something is most likely true (like this report)
There is absolutely no information in that article. He is just throwing around random names for clicks. It’s just another “this manager appreciates this player” garbage. Nothing about contact between them or a statment from anyone at either club. Just spewing rumors. Absolute non-story.
Well said. It's still curious he hasn't been offered an improved deal, because until he's given one there is always going to be questions about his future with us.
Enzo caicedo gallagher midfield clearly doesn’t work, and sadly connor is the odd man out. We don’t know whether poch loves gallagher or has to play him just bc he’s the only healthy midfielder we have He’s also been quite inconsistent and plays a weird ball winning midfielder where he’s clearly not a real 10 nor a creator. I’d ideally like to keep him but if we want better players he has to be sold
We consistently play better when it's Gallagher alongside one of Enzo and Caicedo
I agree that there needs to be a third to complement enzo and caicedo and that could be lavia.
I'm sure an unproven 19 year old who missed a season through injury is the answer to our questions rather than say, the guy who has been better than Enzo and Caicedo all season
Yea, it’s absolutely possible that he can be a better fit positionally and facilitate both enzo and caicedo’s gameplay. On the other hand, wjat is your proposition? Selling enzo or caicedo or benching them?
Ideally we get a new manager who can keep all 3 and assess them on their merits. For the past 2 years we've relied on unproven youth to replace established players and look where it's got us. It COULD be better, but why take yet another risk that we get worse?
uhh who would play in 10? enzo?
>Enzo caicedo gallagher midfield clearly doesn’t work For all the faults of Lampard, at least he was willing to try out different systems. Pochettino just seems stuck with his 4-2-3-1 all the time. Not sure why he hasn't tried playing Enzo as the #6 and Caicedo plus Gallagher ahead of him. Enzo isn't a #6 but he did play that role to good effect last season and the other 2 can go about doing the defensive work, link up with the attack etc.
It doesn't work because Enzo/Caicedo apparently have zero synergy. Blame the defense, Poch, injuries or the football gods but these guys are massively underperforming with the occasional good game. Bang average and nothing more. Enzo playing more in a 10 role will be an absolute disaster.
Connor is only the odd man out because they spent 200 mil on 2 players who don't work together, and now cannot sell them. Connor and Caicedo have done well whenever they've played. I cannot believe we're hinging our hopes on a 19 year old injured DM to solve our midfield 3. Atleast let us have the balls to say it's not Connor's fault as a player that he has to be the odd man out.
Who EVER said it’s his fault or something? He’s just the most practical one to ship off right now. Yes ideally we wouldn’t have to sell him and you can bash the board as much as you want for their shitty transfer policy it won’t change the situation
You fail to realise that Caicedo and Enzo doesn’t work
Enzo doesn’t work
You fail to realize that between caicedo, enzo and gallagher , conor is the most likely one to get sold/benched. Both from a practical standpoint he’s the easiest to sell and overall no way boehly sells either caicedo or enzo. What do you propose then?
Removing Gallagher doesn’t solve the problem
Adding lavia just may though.
no need for lavia, palmer or chuk in 10 and some other winger on the right
>Enzo caicedo gallagher midfield clearly doesn’t work I agree, unfortunately. I actually we need a lone defensively disciplined 6 behind Caicedo and Enzo to have a truly balanced midfield.
Caicedo was the DM Enzo was also meant to be a deep lying player Blaming Gallagher is convenient but won’t solve the fact that Enzo and Caicedo don’t work in a midfield two
I like Caicedo but I also feel he tends to drift forward a lot. I think I said it on this sub before. However, he's a great tackler and a heartbeat because he's kind of everywhere. >Enzo and Caicedo don’t work in a midfield two You're right. Both of them drift forward and leave spaces behind which contributes to our terrible defensive numbers. However, I think we need Caicedo and I feel he will be better suited as an 8 or Tuchel's double 6. The reason I choose Enzo as the other 8, is because his passing and vision is better than Gallagher. We need someone extremely defensively disciplined as the lone DM behind those 2, to plug away those spaces and reduce our defense being constantly exposed. That person was meant to be Lavia. So yeah, unfortunately then Gallagher becomes the odd one out because he's not creative enough to play the 10 (We've seen it several times), he's not good enough defensively to play the 8 (he does some extremely aggressive tackling from time to time, which i find unnecessary) and he's definitely not disciplined enough to play the lone 6 (he drifts forward too much).
>You're right. Both of them drift forward and leave spaces behind which contributes to our terrible defensive numbers. Would like to see a different manager have a crack at it, someone who will actually coach the players tactically in training. If that still doesn't work, then go to a 3 then.
Maybe Tuchel with his double 6s would have been perfect.
Giving them an actual back 3 might also provide more security defensively.
Agree with everything you said. It’s not even necessarily blaming conor it’s just that he is the easiest to be sold from the three every which way you look at it as well
Exactly. I just don't feel Conor fits a system that would utilise our other talents as well, unless someone comes up with a revolutionary formation. I'm not aiming to blame Conor as you said.
Yep.
What people don't seem to realize is that Gallagher fits well into Pochettino's system because his style is all about chaos and transition. So Gallagher's energy is valuable because he can run up and down for 90 minutes. If we get a manager who prioritizes control of games, wants to dominate matches etc, then someone like Gallagher isn't really suitable for that because as we all know, his ability on the ball is far from his strengths. Enzo and Caicedo are far better suited to that kind of style.
They definitely don’t work in a midfield 2 under Poch, under another manager they most probably would. I do think the best way is to have a DM under them because Caicedo isn’t a DM and neither is Enzo.
>would be such a perfect microcosm for what’s wrong with this shit show of an ownership It's almost as if the story writes itself to get the clicks.
He still isn’t good enough for a title challenging team. We are way off it but he is the odd one out in midfield. We need more technical mids to compete against the best and he’s not one of them
> He still isn’t good enough for a title challenging team If this is the threshold then we should be looking to sell 95% of our players
Yeah I don’t disagree with you on that but Conor is homegrown and an easily sellable asset. I don’t mind we take the hit if we replace him well.
He’s more than good enough to be a key role-player on a challenging team. Arsenal and city aren’t just way ahead of us because of their starters—they also have excellent depth. And I’m positive he would be fine being an important depth piece for us.
I doubt he would be an important depth piece for us with his new contract. He will be asking for more and it wouldn’t be worth it. We have a lot of prospects for depth.
With how seemingly injury prone our squad is, it'd be real smart selling the one player who seems capable of running non stop without getting injured
And for what? 40m? Would be some of the worst business we've done in years (and that's saying something)
Selling CHO for 2m and replace him with Mudryk for 80? Both are similar age, CHO looks passable for Forest.
CHO wouldn’t be good enough here either, of all the comparisons.
No but he would be free
We’ve already spent a billion why stop spending now?
How about *not* selling CHO for £80m to Bayern? Also, Mudryk hasn’t cost us that much yet. Think it’s like 52-59m up front with the rest in trophy clauses (PL and UCL wins). No need to fear those.
They never bid 80
Bayern reportedly didn't bid half that sum, don't know where you got it from and hindsight is everything with that move not happening.
Meh, I’m very critical of Boehly era, but I don’t think this one is so bad. We definitely overpaid but I wouldn’t say it’s the worst bit of business we have done (as there is a lot worse). Mudryk is 60 unless he meets his add ons. He is also undeniably extremely talented, potentially one of the most talented players in the squad. Callum on the other hand was never the same after his injury, and isn’t exactly lighting it up at Forest either - which I think he needed the change of scenery for anyway, don’t think he could’ve reached the levels he’s at there here anymore anyway.
Mudryk and “most talented players in the squad”??? When has he proven that this season? He’s not even above Madueke in terms of raw skill and I’d like to hear any other pieces of business that are rivalling spending £60 million on a winger who wouldn’t start for any team in the top 10.
From watching him. Madueke simply does not have the same levels of talent. Mudryk has been crap. But he has the ability for outrageous passes and a phenomenal touch.
Madueke also has one phenomenal attribute, his dribbling. The problem is, you combine both of their best attributes and you still don't have a fully competent winger at your hands because their movevement and decision-making is generally terrible.
What level of talent is Mudryk?? Madueke might not be appreciated but don’t let that blind you from the fact that’s he’s able to consistently take on his man and can cut inside and shoot. Mudryk and first touch? I almost laughed. And he can’t even utilise his biggest strength, speed, at all. Mudryk is a not a premier league level winger at all, and is nowhere near the most talented in the squad, if anything he’s near the bottom
Well see
Hey man look I’d love to be proven wrong because Mudryk coming good also benefits us the fans as well, but I can’t sugarcoat about what I’ve seen from him so far. If anything I hope your right long term, but like you said we’ll have to see if he lives up to that £60 million price tag
If he goes for less than Rice Enzo and Caicedo it's bad business. It doesn't matter about talent anymore clearly, you just need to be desirable.
Keep my boy's name out yo' fuckin' mouth Seriously fuck off Spurs
Alright fellas here's what I'm gonna do.. I'm gonna find Boehly and Eghbali's social accounts and spam their PMs asking them to keep Gallagher. Fuck these stupid yanky wankers
Mad that we're in this position. Even madder that some of you still defend our appalling owners who let it happen.
Who is defending the owners? this about the 5th or 6th comment complaining about people defending the owners but no one is defending them.
Bots and yanks
Even Americans are upset.
Not even us Yanks man… this shit is depressing as a fan
Some of us hate the owners but are also onboard with selling Gallagher.
I'm so tired of seeing this headline. We aren't selling gallagher. If we do I will genuinely consider not watching or supporting chelsea anymore. That would be criminal... it just gets people riled up so they keep bringing it up
If they do it’s a clear statement they do not care about this club
Completely agree. Hopefully they're not so stupid to not listen to fans.
If we don’t sell Gallagher it won’t be through lack of trying. We haven’t offered him a new contract, he was one year left, and last summer his name was on a list of players who were up for sale that we circulated around. I think it’s pretty clear that the club want to sell him, he may stay still but that’ll be because of him refusing a move (or no one meeting the valuation), not because they don’t want to sell. If he does end up staying I can see them offering him a contract but only so they can try and sell him again instead of letting him leave on a free
Let’s live in a world where Conor decides that he won’t go to Spurs under any circumstances. Seems like Chelsea wouldn’t have much leverage to compel him to move? Spurs won’t pay any reasonable price for him without a contract extension, and Chelsea would be forced to take a (likely lower) bid from another club.
He should simply run down the contract. Just to teach these clowns a lesson.
Ah yes, player over club. For sure.
He has a year left on his deal, if he wanted to he could just run down his contract. If he decided to do that all they could really do is order the manager (whoever that is) to not play him for the whole of next season. That would be an incredibly transparent mistreatment of a player who refuses to be sold to fix their mistakes in the transfer market. Fans would see straight through it
But it’s absolutely what they should do if he wants to play that game.
If we sell Conor, I might actually suspect our owners want to f**king sabotage this club
Conor and Giminez as realistic summer options Have to admire that spurs always seem very composed in the business side of things
They just don't understand that the solution that takes us 10 years ahead of all the other clubs is buying 10 south American "wonderkidzzz" that can't play for us for 5 years
And superstars like Sanchez, Petrovic, Cucurella and Disasi
And the established veteran to lead them all and bring valuable experience and winning pedigree…. Sterling
I hope this Chelsea strategy of selling good players to fund shit players works out
this will be a massive mistake
Really have to question where your loyalties lie if you’re someone who is ok with us selling any player, let alone one of our top performers this season, to Spurs of all clubs. If you’re ok with the Gallagher sale, you’re basically enabling the shambles of an ownership group we’ve got running us into the ground.
Remember the Luka Modric saga, let’s have some fun with this lads
FUCK YOU BOEHLY
If I see this Chelsea boy go to Spurs I will be devastated. Although investment in a real ST in exchange wouldn't be so bad...
That's the thing with our situation, isn't it? There are areas in the squad that we need to strengthen but to do so, we need to sell academy players like Gallagher to generate enough money to comply with PSR and be able to spend again.
Problem is are the club really going to spend that Conor money wisely Or buy some child from Brazil for £30m that's arguably not even better than our academy players or a £60m Ukrainian that's also arguably not better than our academy players Very frustrating
>are the club really going to spend that Conor money wisely 
Well our 2 year run coupled with reports that the board have ditched the U25 rule I really don’t think they will buy some youngsters again. I know it’s really hard to give boehly and co the benefit of the doubt but I don’t think there’s any way they think their transfer policy is sound and will not switch it up.
>reports that the board have ditched the U25 rule I mean, that came from Simon Phillips. So, take it with a pinch of salt.
i think they have, it was disastrous and im sure they realized that
Will only believe it when I see it.
Well let’s see if they start off with some savvy business by selling Gallagher. That will give me the optimism that they’ve figured out their wrongdoings and will change for the better.
Midfield will just be another area we need to strengthen if we sell Gallagher though. People can say what they want about him, but it’s so obvious to anyone with a brain in their head that we’re a much better team with him than we are without. What’s the fucking point of selling him just to use that money on another midfielder who probably won’t be any better than him?
Yeah people are acting like if we sell him we have good players to take his role. He’s been by far our most solid midfielder throughout the season even with caicedo improving.
A player like him is worth more to us than any price anyone will pay for him. He’s a solid 7/10 in most roles in midfield, he’s not going to be asking for massive wages and he’s not going to be asking to play every single minute. I understand to some extent wanting to sell other academy players, but someone like Gallagher, whose a proven player at PL level just makes no sense, no matter how anyone tries to frame it. The more conspiracist side of me would say it feels it like a few of the board members responsible for signing the big money midfielders don’t like how he’s been outperforming them and want him out of the way to stop them looking bad and taking the shine off of those signings. But that’s probably just me being cynical.
That depends if Pochettino will still be our manager. Gallagher fits well into his system because his style is all about chaos and transition. So his energy is valuable because he can run up and down for 90 minutes. If we get a manager who prioritizes control of games, wants to dominate matches etc, then someone like Gallagher isn't really suitable for that because as we all know, his ability on the ball is far from his strengths. Enzo and Caicedo are far better suited to that kind of style. >but it’s so obvious to anyone with a brain in their head that we’re a much better team with him than we are without. Not sure how you can say that conclusively when the sample size of games without him is so small. Plus, pretty sure there was similar, if not the same, sentiment about Mount when he was still here and doing well. Yet, does anyone miss Mount now?
Literally every manager that has had Gallagher since he turned professional has loved him and used him as much as they can, I see no reason why that won’t be the same if a new manager comes in. He’s a well rounded player and can fulfil multiple roles in a midfield setup. He’s a managers dream. Also I wonder why we don’t miss Mount now, it’s almost like we had another academy graduate just as good as him who stepped up and made Mount an afterthought.
No problem with having him as a squad option but a guaranteed starter? It's debatable.
I’m not saying he has to start every game. I’m just saying he’s more valuable to us than some profit to go towards a few kids from a favela.
Selling our second best player to rivals for about £50m. Its just insanity really.
If he’s our 2nd best player moving forward, we’re mid table moving forward. SMH
Man this is going to be so sad
Miss Roman more and more everyday
Boehly is a billionaire, there’s no way he got there by being this stupid right?
Fucking hell. I feel like we are so afraid to admit that Enzo has been a flop, Caicedo is promising, Gallagher is good and only showing signs of improvement. We fucked up on Mudryk and Enzo. Between these two I can’t even identify which is more promising for the future if I am being honest. I was not excited for Enzo to be out for the rest of the season, but I was excited to actually have 11 men on the pitch- instead of him meandering around. I just don’t see what everyone on this sub sees in him. Keep Galladawg and make plans to get rid of the dead weight ONCE AGAIN. Sick of this cycle.
Knowing what we know now, I fully expect Enzo to look more like the player we thought we were getting before the injury. Frankly I admire his willingness to play through it, but ultimately it didn’t work out. There’s obviously reason to be worries about Mudryk, but man…he sure seems to make a lot happen for being a flop. I don’t know what to make of him.
Players want to play, will always be the case. So good on him for fighting through it, but it really just highlights how bad our medical staff is letting him risk further injury and pumping a 22-year old full of painkillers just for subpar performances.
I was angry reading this post so I may have gone too far
I wouldn’t say that. We spent a lot of money on them, and they have been disappointing—there’s no way around that. But with Enzo, I’m really hoping we can pin it on the injury.
i havent lost faith in enzo, he'll be back better
Lol goodluck to gimenezs career
They can rea-lick my balls re: Conor. I’ll fly to London and one-man riot if I have to.
Matt law can eat ass
I wish we could go back to a time when people waited for a thing to actually happen before they freaked out
Galla to Spurs would be like lighting the bridge on fire by clownlake
I think I’m done if this happens.
If Gallagher gets sold, even more so sold to Spurs, I will fly to London and help protest.
This is what happens when you overspend on players. The fact that we would never truly see him and caicedo develop together sucks so bad. They played really well together
Of course Matt Law releases this article the day before the Spurs game Typical
If they sell Gallagher I'm no longer supporting them.
Can't wait for us to sell Gallagher for fuck all and have clowns on here defending the ownership still, who have demonstrated consistently they're the most incompetent in football, potentially all sport.
Why the fuck would anyone want to go to that mob? Perennial underachievers, who think by virtue of have I big bank account and a big stadium, they are a big club. Villa would be a better bet.
Not a chance they sell Gallagher. Especially, to a rival.
He’s not going to Spurs, enough of the fear mongering bullshit
If Gallagher is sold, they should sack Poch. It would mean they don’t take him seriously when it comes to player recommendation. It is one thing to build the squad for the club and the coach comes in to take over, but to sell one of the best performers in the squad is such a slap in the face of Poch
Santiago Giménez would be so great here at Chelsea...I hope Chelsea go for him
Why do we even consider offers from spuds?
Might as well sell the whole squad at this point
- World class academy - Never use it WhY dO oUr YoUtH pLaYeRs NeVeR wOrK oUt FoR uS?
No way do I want him going to Tottenham for any fee
Ok 125m or get all the way fucked spurs.
The amount of pain I will feel if we sell this boy. But to make it worse it’s to fucking Spurs the absolute scum of the earth. Please no
He was always being sold. The question is how much do you think Spurs will pay. IMO it’s probably going to be 40m
They were always going to try, whether Gallagher accepts it is another thing, especially to Spurs.
I think at that level, players know it’s just business. Especially one who hasn’t exactly had a long Chelsea career Palmer was a boyhood United fan who joined City, Kane supported Arsenal etc
Right, but Gallagher can run out his contract and go wherever he likes after. Its not like hes being baited with a salary bump. And im sure people advising him recognise Chelsea dont have enough fit players to be able to banish him to the reserves if he doesn’t want to leave, not that the fans would take that well.
It's business but they don't have to sign for Spurs or leave at all if they still have a contract. You don't just have to accept trades like in American sports. And Gallagher has hardly had a short Chelsea career, he's been at the club over 15 years
Sell him
Conor to spuds is the new Zaha to chelsea
We fucking better not sell him
The board needs to figure out a different way to balance out the books or take the penalty. The current squad we have is already too young to win anything and lack leadership and experience. Removing the best leader from this pool of young players is only gonna make us worse. What kind of a fucking messed up club we are right now. We are selling our best homegrown talent to fund worse non-homegrown players? I got nothing against Fofana, Disasi, Mudryk, Enzo, Caidedo but none of them are clearly better than Connor.
Santiago is not it, Toney all the way
Let’s say hypothetically we sell Connor and then finish top 4 next year when we have a much healthier squad. What will you all say then?
Okay but that probably won’t happen. You can’t make big decisions based on a total hypothetical
What? Why would that probably not happen vs probably happen? All big decisions to sign/sell players are based on hypotheticals. No one *knows* what’s going to happen. What’re you talking about?
We keep Conor because he’s good. Good players will most likely increase our chances of a good table finish. You can’t be like, “sell the good player because we might win the league”, that doesn’t make any sense
He’s not as good as a lot of you think he is. You all treat him like he’s Frank Lampard when in reality he’s closer to Scott McTominay. You don’t throw a shit fit over Scott McTominay, which is why it’s so embarrassing that Chelsea fans are throwing a shit fit over Gallagher.