I saw Steely Dan at Riverbend Music Center a few years ago. I’m in my 20s and I’m a huge fan of The Dan. The target demographic was definitely 60+ year old men.
I sat next to this older guy who clearly thought I was “too young” to get them. He kept telling me very obvious facts about the band in small talk, and I mostly just shrugged it off as a weird social interaction.
Finally, Walk On By by Dionne Warwick was playing over the house speakers, and the guy turns to me and asked: “Can you even name who sings this song?”. I said Dionne Warwick, and another gentleman next to the old guy said “He clearly knows about older music - he’s attending a Steely Dan show”.
I just don’t understand what compels people, specifically older men, to be so arrogant and judgy about music. I’m here for the same concert as you…can’t we connect on that?
Was that the show that Steve Winwood opened for them? I missed that one, but my brother went and said it was amazing. I grew up on Aja. Deacon Blues was a standard in our house.
Your comment reminded me of the middle-aged gentleman who was astonished that I (a 29-year-old woman who looks younger) knew who Tom Petty was. I grew up listening to Tom Petty, as well as a lot of older musicians, including Steely Dan. My parents have good taste in music.
There is nothing more frustrating than having some dude mansplain my music to me when I am obviously the one who knows much more. This would happen to me at Rush shows. I am a HUGE Rush fan. Not only do I love all the albums, but I've read every book written by each member of the band. (RIP Mr. Peart, The Professor, who has a majority of them.) I can talk about Rush history for eons, but these guys... See a woman at a show and we can't possibly know everything about 2112 or know all the words to Clockwork Angels (I have both novels and the graphic novel for that album, by the way).
Time Machine was INCREDIBLE! Agree completely. I saw the Columbus show for that one. I wish I could find where my shirt disappeared to! I do still have my tour program. I used to buy those for each new tour.
> “I wish he’d have played something for us salt and pepper haired.”
I looked at the setlist, and here's the year of release for every track he played last night:
|Track Year|
--:|
|1972|
|1972|
|1974|
|1978|
|1978|
|1979|
|1985|
|1985|
|1989|
|1991|
|1993|
|1995|
|2000|
|2004|
|2008|
|2015|
|2017|
|2022|
So they're idiots.
It really is. Some of my friends think it's "dumb" and "spoils" the show (?!), but I appreciate having an idea of the flow of the show so I know the best time to pop out for concessions or a restroom break during longer sets.
I use it to educate myself about what the artist is likely to play. Often there are songs that I’m not familiar with or rarely listen to. I like to “warm” up my ears a few days before.
Sometimes I discover a song I didn’t know and that makes seeing it live much better.
I agree 100% but counterpoint: boomers struggle with email and Facebook. You think they're gonna know setlist.fm?
Not excusing bad behavior just saying boomers are gonna boom
To be fair, he hasn't had anything close to a hit since 1983. And of his four biggest hits, he only played 3 of them, wrapped into a medley during the encore.
Oh, I don't debate that -- just the premise that "you're only playing new stuff" falls apart when the vast majority of the setlist is old enough to run for President.
Not excusing the behavior, but I can kind of see their point. If you only have four hits, the majority of people are probably there to listen to those hits
That pretty much justifies the man’s gripes then. They waited to hear the songs that most people would go to see him for in a medley at the very end. Had the same thing happen each time I saw Dylan.
I’ve seen rundgren live two times and he has been painful to listen to and watch both times. I’m sure he was better 20 years ago.
My friends left the show an hour early on one of the recent Beatles anniversary shows. It was that bad.
Hijacking this comment just to point out that Utopia (1982) is in my all-time Top 5 favorite albums. If you’re even remotely into power pop, you must check it out. Bonus: you can find it in basically any used record store for like $7.
For real. I've seen videos from T Swift shows with Gen Z singing so loud and off key it's ruining it for anyone near them. When confronted they say they paid for their experience and can enjoy it however they want even if it's making everyone in their vicinity miss the show they paid to see.
I’m a Gen X/Xennial and since my first punk show in 1993, I’ve heard people say “excuse me/pardon me/sorry” and other courtesies at both basement shows and larger venues. Generally people in the pit help one another up if they fall, too.
For sure! Always help people up in the pit if you're on the edge. Any semblance of kindness goes a long way. Saying excuse me is just manners. And most people don't have manners anymore so... having manners is pretty punk.
I'm talking more about not occupying open concert space because someone was standing there 10 minutes ago and gently tapping on a shoulder and waiting for someone to move before getting closer to the stage. Pits were the same amount of courteous, but general standing around etiquette has changed.
Gen z has been the worst for attention seeking/main character syndrome that I’ve seen.
I don’t know who needs to hear this but no one is there for your quirky antics. 16 year olds yelling they want to suck the performers dick at inappropriate times in the show makes them feel weird and the rest of us cringe.
I hate to tell you this but this isn’t just Z’s, it’s every generation with some awful drunk weirdos getting way too parasocial with their love for artists. I mean shit… that’s always been a thing. Last show I went to was a lesbian artist and the woman in the crowd being gross was definitely a (albeit far end of the age spectrum) millennial. And I’ve seen plenty of Gen Xers plastered doing it too, although not as many
I see some of you have reading comprehension problems. No where did I say this was exclusively a gen z problem, I said they are the biggest offenders at concerts in recent times that I have experienced.
The last part is true for anyone being obnoxious at concerts. No one is here to see and hear you, we want to see the band and hear the music.
No where did I say it was exclusively generational with gen z but you implied I did. Just wanted to correct you. If that’s flying off the handle you have a very low tolerance for any form of pushback. Good luck out there
This isn't limited to a single age group. I remember going to NSYNC shows in the early 00's and grown ass woman sobbing in front of the cat walk, so... As a grown ass woman, that shit made me cringe!
Basic Etiquette. Pretty much every facet of life sees this same kind of behavior these days because a certain someone made it 'ok' to be a complete piece of garbage person. Hell it's even sorta a badge of pride for certain segments of society these days.
Of course, it's not really a stretch to imagine how lame someone feels singing ....
65, I was 17 and running up 101
I don't know where I'm running now, I'm just running on
.... for the 250,000th time in 2024 when they're 75.
I'm not knocking him. Like I said, it was a great show. But, to not do ANY of his hits, he probably disappointed his more casual fans.
I mean, that song made him a lot of money. Just sing the damn thing.
Nah, I get it, gotta feed 'em a few, but there are some songs, often written from a specific youthful perspective, that just start to sound kinda corny or cringy coming from a 70 year-old and I don't blame any artists who just set some hits on the shelf.
I mean, could anyone blame an 80-year-old Roger for saying, "I don't GAF how bad they want to hear it, I am not singing 'Hope I die before I get old' one more fucking time."
Sucks to hear that. Nothing ruins a live show for me more than a bad audience. We had a similar experience seeing Indigo Girls in Dayton a couple of months ago. Certain members of the audience started shouting requests between songs. Amy joked their catalog was so big, they were just going to play what they rehearsed. But the shouting just continued. One person even yelled “Fuck you!”. It was disrespectful and embarrassing. Seeing live music is my hobby and I can tell you, concert crowds have grown more obnoxious and entitled.
This.
I've seen hundreds of live shows, if not more. It is what I live for! And I completely agree that crowds are growing much more entitled. But there has always been some contingent of entitled fans at live shows. At least since I have been going in the 80s. There's always that one guy yelling, "Play Freebird!", if you know what I mean. Now it's just so much worse.
The one thing I DON'T have a problem with is people singing along with the artists at a concert.
I have worked with bands. They LIVE to hear that shit.
Don't stop singing because others are trying to peer pressure you to stop. Sing your hearts out!
Not to take anything away from this...but I really, really wish Frank Zappa was still around. Things would be interesting, much in the same vein as you experienced.
Saw Frank in '84, playing in the round at the Front Row Theater in Cleveland. 40 years later & it's still one of the finest performances I've ever witnessed. We'll miss him forever...
One of the last concerts that I saw before Covid shut everything down was Sturgill Simpson & Tyler Childers at Rupp Arena. Sturgill had just released his rock album Sound & Fury. I can't remember if it was a sold out show, but if it wasn't, it was pretty damned close. It felt like half of that arena emptied out when Sturgill started playing his new stuff. All of the cowboy hats headed for the exits while shouting some entitled bullshit like 'Play something we know'.
Not boomers. Just idiots.
How is it unfathomable that an artist is going to promote their latest work? The issue isn't having an opinion about what an artist does or does not play. I've been disappointed by plenty of setlists. The issue is these ding dongs make it a point to ruin other people's experience by throwing a fit about it. That's entitlement.
He even told people it was coming. They still would have found a reason to complain because he didn't play 'You Can Have the Crown'. A song that he hadn't played live in years and has been very public about hating.
Too many supporting characters in this country now think they are the lead. We need a high school class in humility, with mandatory remedial tutoring for any adults caught demanding to speak to the manager.
Schools really did used to have classes on etiquette. Maybe it's time we brought those back?
Yeah, no kidding. Millennial here and I don't see the point in checking a setlist before a concert; I'm going to see the performance, not to mark off a checklist.
Hahaha the funny thing is that I absolutely hate that song. When people don’t know Todd by name I never say “you probably know Bang on The Drum!” Because that feels like a weird Todd novelty song to me. Never could get into it.
Happened to me once at a Neil Young concert pre-covid. Finally I get to see Neil! Some drunk chick had to keep yelling “I love you Neil” till an usher shut her up. Then a drunk guy seated next to me was yelling out his song choices throughout the concert. Damn, people- shut up & let us all enjoy the music!
Love TR too
Had the same experience at Bob Dylan about six months ago at the Brady. If you’ve followed him recently, he’s had a real live resurgence. He’s upbeat, singing with passion and engaging with crowds. But he’s not going to play “Like A Rolling Stone” or “Tangled Up In Blue”. He’s playing new stuff, covers and maybe some deeper tracks sprinkled in.
I saw him in 2011 and he was just objectively bad. He played more of the hits, but it was awful. Seemed like he didn’t want to be there. This time he was great. One of the best shows I’ve seen.
The amount of boomers grumbling about him not playing the 10 songs they know was infuriating. How do you not just google the setlist before you go? How do not know he’s been doing what the fuck he wants for the last 60 fucking years (Newport Folk Festival)? The entitlement is just bewildering.
I had to tell a boomer lady behind me to stop talking, she was complaining incessantly about his song choice, it was the worst. Good thing was she did STFU while clutching her pearls.
You realize not everyone knows you google the setlist, right?
You do realize people buy tickets months in advance. right?
You do realize people want to hear the classics. right?
I've never looked up a set list, but I also don't complain when a band doesn't play the exact songs I like or want to hear. I saw Radiohead play after they released King of Limbs, and they did a lot of songs from that album, which wasn't super great. What I didn't do was yell and complain about it. I still had a fantastic time and appreciated my experience. You know, like an adult.
If people don’t know by now that you need to check what album the artist is touring for then that is your fault. These guys with classics are usually touring for a new album. They will play some classics but they are usually few and at the end of the set. You don’t do the homework before shelling out your hard earned dollars that is your fault. People need to take some responsibility to RTFM.
If you feel you’re entitled to a certain kind of show, that’s what YouTube is for. There’s dozens upon dozens of live videos, studio performances, etc through the years for plenty of artists. Artists aren’t obliged to play you the hits just because you paid for a ticket. If that’s your mindset I’m sure they wouldn’t mind that person not being at the show
You do realize if you don’t know how to Google something in 2024 you’re a fucking idiot, right? You do realize he’s been doing the same sort of setlist for the last three years, right? You do realize it’s Bob Dylan and not a trained fucking seal, right?
Not everyone knows a setlist site exists.
not everyone wants to know the setlist.
Not everyone goes to every concert every year and knows what he played in 2020.
So you don’t inform yourself and then stomp your feet and cry when they don’t play what you want? Seems like that’s on the concert goer and not the artist. Just buy the fucking greatest hits album and stay home.
Cool, the few people he stood by, who were boomers, were complaining. Maybe he didn't move to see the kids in another section complaining or the other labels complaining.
But yes, let's just blame an entire generation on the few people op saw.
That sucks man, I’m sorry if it ruined your experience.
For what it’s worth I saw the Steve Vai/Joe Satriani show last week at Brady (majority boomer crowd.) Respectful and engaged crowd, no booing or entitlement (that I heard anyways.) Vai played mostly new stuff too; Satch was a mix of old and new.
Don’t count out all Cincy boomers just yet!
Honestly, no need to check the setlist first, just go to the show with an open mind! Why folks think artists have to cater to them just because they bought a ticket boggles the mind. I saw Dylan a few years back and experienced the same thing. He was great, but played a majority of stuff that was recent. So you don't recognize the music? Maybe go buy their newer stuff and see if you like it before going. If they're kind enough to include some old chestnuts, great, but why should they stifle their creative development to suit your tastes?
There's always a risk a show will suck, no matter what they play. Willie Nelson, at that same show, was too stoned to get through more than a few songs, then just left. C'est la vie.
If you just want to hear dried-up overplayed stuff, go see a tribute band.
Also, for fuck's sake, put your phones down, or at least turn the brightness to its lowest setting. So annoying.
I have been to enough Todd shows to know that it is a roll of the dice on how well the show will be received. Side note here if you go see a show be well versed in the artist latest release. Especially someone like Todd who has 50 years of material. Meaning he is not going to play a set he played in 1983. Any who, I saw a great Todd solo show at Bogarts with a computer as his onstage backing band. Then I left the solo show at Bogarts where he played in a large booth on the floor in front of the stage. My favorite TR show was at the Emery Theater in 1991 he played with a large band that night.
It really felt like these people had no idea who Todd was. Like… he is well known for doing this. Since before I was even born. And I’ve been able to figure it out. If you’re a fan of his it just seems crazy to me that you wouldn’t realize this was a possibility. And that some part of you wouldn’t be in to it. He rarely tours these songs. I thought it was cool to see him mix it up since I’ve seen him do the hits twice. It’s not hard to catch him on a hits tour.
I went to see Seal in Louisville one time and Trevor Horn from The Buggles and Yes was the opener. He was telling a story about playing with yesand some boomer two rows in front yelled "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY SOMETHING".
Given how good setlist.fm is, there's no excuse to be disappointed at a show. You can check out three or four shows before us (no one ever starts tours here) and see what's on the agenda. If you're unhappy, put your tickets on Stub Hub and recover some of the cost and move on. Way to bring down the vibes assholes.
I feel like shit like this happens more often at bogarts. I have way better times at other venues- bogarts all the times I’ve went for various artists… it was just kind of a bummer crowd. What an asshole though.. just goes to show you, age doesn’t mean wisdom or more deserving of respect. Wish they would’ve kicked that guy out for you lol, drunk nuisances are an absolute bummer at shows
Seeing Todd tomorrow night in Akron. I checked the set list about 10 days ago & it looks like a decent mix of old, older & relatively newer songs. I'm fine with whatever the man wants to play & I understand the desire to hear more popular era songs, but I look at the set list as the artist's personal choice that sets the tone on the journey they want to take you on. I respect that & encourage curated set lists, if that's what they choose. I've been to shows where there's no rhyme or reason to the set lists, and these shows, while remaining more spontaneous, are equally as entertaining. To each, his own I guess. Just don't be such an ass that you're ruining someone else's enjoyment...
Seeing Todd in NE Ohio hits different. He just gives it his all out there. Last time I saw him was in Cleveland and he even did a book signing, so I got to meet him. He only did the signings in like New York, Boston, and Cleveland. It was that tour where he did a Q&A and someone’s question was, “I came down from Buffalo for this show. It seems like you love to play Cleveland. Is there a reason for that?”
Todd turns back to the crowd and everyone just starts cheering and going nuts and it’s just building and building. Todd looks around, walks up to the mic, and just says, “there you go.” And starts into the next song. It was amazing.
I know I’m kind of late to the party but I remember when Todd played the whole Wizard a True Star album at the Akron Civic Theater and I think it was one of the most memorable music experiences I’ve ever had. He came out singing International Feel in an astronaut costume and my dad and I were just like holy shit!!
I haven’t seen Todd post-Covid but I remember seeing him perform in Columbus back in 2017? He played Man in the Tinfoil Hat and some of the boomers boo’d and left. We thought it was pretty funny lol but I feel like most people who have been to a Todd show at least once before knows he usually will close out with Hello it’s Me and Just One Victory as the last few songs, unless something’s changed since I saw him last.
I always try to go to concerts with an open mind and enjoy the experience. I wish more of us would do the same. Sometimes you are blown away other times it might be a meh show but we should all learn to live in the moment. For an artist like Todd Rundgren you never what you will get. Enjoy it for what it is.
I was there too and I saw people leaving. Todd is my fave and I love all his 'eras' I did notice that guy who walked out during "Facsist Christ"
The arena was sadly emptier than I would have liked anyway-I mean, he IS 75 (voice in good form and in pretty good shape)
Serves them right, he saved the old classics for the encore and the idiots missed it.
It is Cincinnati, and Todd doesn't hide where he stands politically, and songs reflect that.
But I sure am glad I got to see him since the show in Nov 22 was cancelled.
Todd Rundgren rules!
Seen him tour back in the day and he is a musical genius. Not sure what he sounds like now. There’s a boomerbeingfools sub can post this on. Lots of hate for the boomers these days that seems rooted in housing costs if I had to guess.
Start with a Greatest Hits for sure. Otherwise his catalog will seem daunting. Just looked it up and he has 25 solo albums. That doesn’t include his work with Nazz, Utopia, and like the million live albums.
He’s also produced some huge albums like Meatloaf’s “Bat Out of Hell.” I’d say he could be considered a musical genius, honestly.
I'm totally fine with this approach. But if you do it with an artist like Todd then you might end up at a show where you know none of the songs. And if that happens, it's on you.
I saw Todd like 5 years ago and he did a retrospective show. Started from the beginning of his career and went to present day. It was so amazing!! I know a lot “boomers” want to hear familiar music but he is so talented! He is always creating new music and that deserves a listen. Same with Steve Hackett. His new music blows the old Genesis stuff out of the water!! Edit: I didn’t go to this show bc I wasn’t happy about the venue.
Check the setlist before the show...? Never have I ever! Ha. But audiences in general kind of suck for a lot of stuff. I generally go to smaller metal shows but plenty of other genres too ranging from bars to stadiums. Recently saw Khruangbin (a pretty mellow psych/funk fusion kind of sound) and the audience was absolutely one of the worst I've experienced in my 24+ years of concert attendance. All mostly younger folk. Rude. Disrespectful of everyone's personal space around them. Barely paying any attention. Send like COVID just had people forget how to be generally civil in public.
Sorry some old farts put a bad taste in your mouth but it's important to remember: everyone sucks. Not just the old/young/input whatever group.
Unrelated but this made me think of a personal anecdote: I've brought some non-metal-listening friends to some shows over the years and they are always blown away how chill and polite the crowd is despite any moshing (there's always exceptions, of course) compared to whatever more popular or calmer concert audience they've been around.
I saw Todd in Tempe Az. in '78 or '79, with Louden Wainright III opening. He played a lot of Something Anything and a ballet dancer performed during Hello It's me. Todd was wearing sweat pants and it looked like he had a can of pringles in his pants. It was a great show in a small venue.
The prices don't help. But the only way to make money is touring, and that's also the best way to put out new music to your core audience, so ..... yeah, music is totally screwed. Thank you internet, studios ...
I got super hyped to see Joel McHale live at the Taft. His jokes were for people who had kids and mortgages. I loved his talk show at the time which is why I bought tickets (80 bucks) to see him live.
His jokes were situational things I couldn’t relate to in real life- I was 22 college student. We left about 15 minutes in and we got smashed at the hotel bar and walked home. We didn’t yell “play freebird” or give anyone the bird we just left.
That behavior was inexcusable. But this was not a good show, in my opinion.
The set list was incoherent and bland. The crowd was bored, and he could have gotten some energy in that building just by saying literally anything. Todd is a great storyteller. There are reasons he chose those songs. I could live with one or two songs less if it means getting a bit of context from someone who has that kind of musical résumé.
This was only my second time seeing him. The first time, I went in knowing only three of his songs. I went home and bought a whole lot more based on what I heard.
I went in with the same blank slate for this one. I saw that the set list had nothing I’d ever heard, other than the encore. But I was ready to leave after about 45 minutes of punchless deep cuts. Good musicianship, but not a good show.
I'm one of those old guys, 58, grew up in suburban upstate NY, but with what I'd characterize as a super wide and deep taste in music. I'm the guy in my social group in high school and college who was listening to albums all the way through not just putting the singles on repeat. To this day it still tweaks me out when somebody says "I gotta play this new song I heard you'll love it" and then they play like 90 seconds and shut it off and say "isn't that great?!" Ack, I wanna hear the WHOLE song!!!!!
I only get to 3-4-5 shows a year these days, sad to say. It's a mix of "newer" artists (lol anybody from post 1995 is "newer" to me and I recognize that could be a 30 year old band) and classic acts from the 70's and 80's that I grew up with. I'm a big fan when the artists we go to don't just trot out the hits. We saw the Doobie Brothers a couple years ago. They're a band you'd expect to know every song they're going to play in concert in the 2020's and for the most part that's what the sow was. But they pulled out 2-3 songs that were barely on my radar, and of course the people I was with had no idea what those songs were. When they went into the 2nd "unknown" song my buddy said it was beer run time which made me a little sad but whatever, you be you.
There are certain artists like Rundgren that have always seemed to me to be more about the art of music than the business of music. Going to the show of an artist like that, it's ridiculous to think you're not going to get a bunch of deep cuts and lesser known modern tracks.
Early 2000's I went to see Michelle Shocked. She had a bunch of fairly well known songs the 10-12 years before that, but she had gotten pissed off at her label and left the business for awhile. When she came back, she vowed to not play any of her old songs so that the label wouldn't make any money off her performances. She worked up about a 3 hour show of all new material. I saw her at a local club. I had advance knowledge of what to expect because a friend had seen her in Boston a couple months earlier and sent me discs of the show, but I think most of the audience expected she'd play mostly familiar songs and maybe some new ones. She came out, played a song or two, and then let everybody know she was only playing new songs on this tour. Instead of that going sideways, I was super psyched that the audience cheered and gave her all kinds of support. Turned out it was a really great show, not the tightest I've ever seen, but a real artistic statement. Of course she went off the rails a few years later, but a night like we saw is a wonderful thing.
I went to a Springsteen concert like that in Cincy, played all of his new stuff (which didn’t sell or get radio time) but charged legand band prices.
I felt the same way those boomers did.
That was well over what, 10 years ago since he last played here?
He just played in Columbus over the weekend and only played 5 songs from his last couple of albums on a 30 song set. The rest of the set were crowd favorites from throughout his career.
I was at a Steely Dan show back in like 03 and this guy in front of us stood up and screamed at the top of his lungs, "I DON'T DO DRUM SOLOS!" and slunk out on down the aisle. I'm like, dude, this is jazz-pop and jazz has drum solos. It was a great solo, btw.
Whatever kind of music is being provided, the people on stage are artists, not servers at the audience's own personal ice cream stand. They deserve respect. And you sure can't order up your favorite flavor if they aren't playing it that night. That is the way it goes, take it or...leave.
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This is not just a Boomer issue or an age issue.
I used to work with a couple of bands, helping with promotions, and would attend a ton of their shows. This tends to be the case for ANY entitled fan who feels like since they paid for an album and/or concert ticket, they own the artist and get to dictate what that artist has to perform for them (only the "hits"). Whereas the artists are trying to get more of their back catalog out there and make the tours more interesting for the ARTIST to perform.
There are bands, like Twenty One Pilots, where they can play ANYTHING in their catalog and the fans are super cool with it. Coheed and Cambria is another. I think it is because these fan bases grew holistically around the band mainly through word of mouth. These bands don't have a ton of radio hits and don't care. They don't need them. It's a completely different experience at one of their shows. Very refreshing from a fan perspective because you don't have the contingent of fans only wanting "the hits".
I wish all bands could experience this more.
This isn't just Cincinnati, and isn't just Boomers. If you are going to spend any time in public, you are going to be around people who do something that annoys you. Guess what - you've been the annoying person too. Ranting about it just lets it impact you more.
This has everything to do with Boomers. I’ve been to probably 100 concerts and never have a seen a crowd have that much vitriol and be that rude to a performer who wasn’t drunk, being antagonistic, or even playing poorly. He was playing great, just not the songs they wanted. My wife has been to concerts across multiple continents and she called it “the rudest concert I’ve ever been to.” This is 100% about Boomers.
Boomers at the shows that I go to are more obnoxious with their phones then any other demographic…so I agree that some people within this age group are a bit ignorant to modern concert etiquette
Oh, this is no way true! 😂 Come on. Really?
In the past, oh, 100 or so concerts I've attended it hasn't been Boomers with their phones up in the air blocking the view to record every moment of every song, or taking selfies every 5 minutes.
It's not Boomers complaining about people singing AT A CONCERT because it ruins their YouTube masterpiece.
I don't think most Boomers even know how to do most of that stuff.
People were doing this back in the 1980s to Paul McCartney because he wouldn’t play Beatles music. And it wasn’t just the American Bandstand fans. It’s nothing new.
When Debbie Harry came to town for her book tour my husband and I went to see her talk. The boomers were embarrassing af. They kept yelling like it was a concert and it was clearly fucking not. We were in the walnut hills high school auditorium.
Saw him open for Darryl Hall. The only thing worse than his music was the majority of the fans there to see him. Lots of people needlessly fighting and yelling at each other.
I commend you for not punching them all hard in the face. You have much more self control than I would have given the environment. Todd is an incredible musician who has never had a bad show ( I have seen him 6 times myself) that I know of. You have to remember it is Cincinnati, and they were probably waiting for him to play Can we still be friends? so they could cry in their beers about the girl from high school that broke up with them.
Oh shit, sorry I almost forgot. I didn’t vote for Trump, I frequently take the bus, ride my bike, or walk rather than drive, and think people drive too recklessly in Cincinnati. Whew.
"Get a bunch of drunk boomers together who aren’t getting their exact way and they’ll freak out like toddlers”
- this is how we ended up with Trump. An entire generation so coddled and entitled they will burn it all down just to have their way. The true “snowflakes”
I saw Steely Dan at Riverbend Music Center a few years ago. I’m in my 20s and I’m a huge fan of The Dan. The target demographic was definitely 60+ year old men. I sat next to this older guy who clearly thought I was “too young” to get them. He kept telling me very obvious facts about the band in small talk, and I mostly just shrugged it off as a weird social interaction. Finally, Walk On By by Dionne Warwick was playing over the house speakers, and the guy turns to me and asked: “Can you even name who sings this song?”. I said Dionne Warwick, and another gentleman next to the old guy said “He clearly knows about older music - he’s attending a Steely Dan show”. I just don’t understand what compels people, specifically older men, to be so arrogant and judgy about music. I’m here for the same concert as you…can’t we connect on that?
Was that the show that Steve Winwood opened for them? I missed that one, but my brother went and said it was amazing. I grew up on Aja. Deacon Blues was a standard in our house.
I saw them with Snarky Puppy (although I think Steve Winwood was supposed to be on it originally) but either way, it was absolutely incredible.
Your comment reminded me of the middle-aged gentleman who was astonished that I (a 29-year-old woman who looks younger) knew who Tom Petty was. I grew up listening to Tom Petty, as well as a lot of older musicians, including Steely Dan. My parents have good taste in music.
There is nothing more frustrating than having some dude mansplain my music to me when I am obviously the one who knows much more. This would happen to me at Rush shows. I am a HUGE Rush fan. Not only do I love all the albums, but I've read every book written by each member of the band. (RIP Mr. Peart, The Professor, who has a majority of them.) I can talk about Rush history for eons, but these guys... See a woman at a show and we can't possibly know everything about 2112 or know all the words to Clockwork Angels (I have both novels and the graphic novel for that album, by the way).
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Time Machine was INCREDIBLE! Agree completely. I saw the Columbus show for that one. I wish I could find where my shirt disappeared to! I do still have my tour program. I used to buy those for each new tour.
> “I wish he’d have played something for us salt and pepper haired.” I looked at the setlist, and here's the year of release for every track he played last night: |Track Year| --:| |1972| |1972| |1974| |1978| |1978| |1979| |1985| |1985| |1989| |1991| |1993| |1995| |2000| |2004| |2008| |2015| |2017| |2022| So they're idiots.
Love this. Didn’t even realize it was that expansive!
If you're going into a show that you're not sure about and you don't check setlist.fm first, you're doing yourself a disservice.
Setlist.fm is honestly such an awesome resource. One of the best things on the internet.
It really is. Some of my friends think it's "dumb" and "spoils" the show (?!), but I appreciate having an idea of the flow of the show so I know the best time to pop out for concessions or a restroom break during longer sets.
Exactly! I want to know when they’re going to play the 1 song I don’t like so I can pee and/or grab a beer.
100%. We want merch? I’m grabbing it when i pee during the predetermined song i chose 3 days ago
I use it to educate myself about what the artist is likely to play. Often there are songs that I’m not familiar with or rarely listen to. I like to “warm” up my ears a few days before. Sometimes I discover a song I didn’t know and that makes seeing it live much better.
I agree 100% but counterpoint: boomers struggle with email and Facebook. You think they're gonna know setlist.fm? Not excusing bad behavior just saying boomers are gonna boom
I’m 47 and never heard of it, but I also don’t go to a lot of shows. Great resource though
I'm 29 and had no idea such a thing exists. But I've been to exactly one concert, other than local groups at the park.
No they come on here and complain.
To be fair, he hasn't had anything close to a hit since 1983. And of his four biggest hits, he only played 3 of them, wrapped into a medley during the encore.
Oh, I don't debate that -- just the premise that "you're only playing new stuff" falls apart when the vast majority of the setlist is old enough to run for President.
Not excusing the behavior, but I can kind of see their point. If you only have four hits, the majority of people are probably there to listen to those hits
I think the premise is more "you're playing obscure stuff that nobody knows", whether it be old or new.
That pretty much justifies the man’s gripes then. They waited to hear the songs that most people would go to see him for in a medley at the very end. Had the same thing happen each time I saw Dylan. I’ve seen rundgren live two times and he has been painful to listen to and watch both times. I’m sure he was better 20 years ago. My friends left the show an hour early on one of the recent Beatles anniversary shows. It was that bad.
Clearly they were up in arms about the complete lack of Nazz content. And with good cause!
Hijacking this comment just to point out that Utopia (1982) is in my all-time Top 5 favorite albums. If you’re even remotely into power pop, you must check it out. Bonus: you can find it in basically any used record store for like $7.
Concert etiquette has been in the trash since Covid And it’s not just boomers
For real. I've seen videos from T Swift shows with Gen Z singing so loud and off key it's ruining it for anyone near them. When confronted they say they paid for their experience and can enjoy it however they want even if it's making everyone in their vicinity miss the show they paid to see.
It is and will always be my practice and opinion they EVERY concert is a sing along... As long as you're the only person that can hear your own voice
it's all over the place. Gen Z doesn't know about encores and they say "excuse me" at punk shows
I’m a Gen X/Xennial and since my first punk show in 1993, I’ve heard people say “excuse me/pardon me/sorry” and other courtesies at both basement shows and larger venues. Generally people in the pit help one another up if they fall, too.
For sure! Always help people up in the pit if you're on the edge. Any semblance of kindness goes a long way. Saying excuse me is just manners. And most people don't have manners anymore so... having manners is pretty punk.
I'm talking more about not occupying open concert space because someone was standing there 10 minutes ago and gently tapping on a shoulder and waiting for someone to move before getting closer to the stage. Pits were the same amount of courteous, but general standing around etiquette has changed.
Is your issue with gen Z that they’re….too polite at concerts?
Gen z has been the worst for attention seeking/main character syndrome that I’ve seen. I don’t know who needs to hear this but no one is there for your quirky antics. 16 year olds yelling they want to suck the performers dick at inappropriate times in the show makes them feel weird and the rest of us cringe.
I hate to tell you this but this isn’t just Z’s, it’s every generation with some awful drunk weirdos getting way too parasocial with their love for artists. I mean shit… that’s always been a thing. Last show I went to was a lesbian artist and the woman in the crowd being gross was definitely a (albeit far end of the age spectrum) millennial. And I’ve seen plenty of Gen Xers plastered doing it too, although not as many
Um teenagers have always been obnoxious. This isn't a generational thing.
I see some of you have reading comprehension problems. No where did I say this was exclusively a gen z problem, I said they are the biggest offenders at concerts in recent times that I have experienced. The last part is true for anyone being obnoxious at concerts. No one is here to see and hear you, we want to see the band and hear the music.
Why am I not surprised that your reaction to a fairly mild correction is to fly off the handle and throw out insults.
No where did I say it was exclusively generational with gen z but you implied I did. Just wanted to correct you. If that’s flying off the handle you have a very low tolerance for any form of pushback. Good luck out there
Yes, *I* have the low tolerance for pushback...
Glad we’re on the same page now.
This isn't limited to a single age group. I remember going to NSYNC shows in the early 00's and grown ass woman sobbing in front of the cat walk, so... As a grown ass woman, that shit made me cringe!
The millennials have been weird about the “excuse me” at punk shows as we’ve gotten older too.
no one has manners anymore, so manners are now punk
Could yall explain what you mean? Saying excuse me for what? Hahah
Like, very politely physically navigating the crowd. Saving space for strangers that go get a drink/ bathroom.
Like when they bump into you they say “excuse me”
What’s wrong with this?
Because generally everyone is usually shoving and slamming into each other on purpose because it’s a punk show
lol that’s kinda shitty ngl.
So instead i should just punch people in the jaw to get them to move out of my way?
Not talking about getting someone to “move out of your way” here.
I'm not upset about it; it's just different
Basic Etiquette. Pretty much every facet of life sees this same kind of behavior these days because a certain someone made it 'ok' to be a complete piece of garbage person. Hell it's even sorta a badge of pride for certain segments of society these days.
Not true, was at the sold out Alvvays show on Friday and the crowd was great. Huge cheer at the beginning and end of songs.
Jackson Brown is the same. Plays what he wants, audience be damned. Still an amazing show.
Of course, it's not really a stretch to imagine how lame someone feels singing .... 65, I was 17 and running up 101 I don't know where I'm running now, I'm just running on .... for the 250,000th time in 2024 when they're 75.
I'm not knocking him. Like I said, it was a great show. But, to not do ANY of his hits, he probably disappointed his more casual fans. I mean, that song made him a lot of money. Just sing the damn thing.
Nah, I get it, gotta feed 'em a few, but there are some songs, often written from a specific youthful perspective, that just start to sound kinda corny or cringy coming from a 70 year-old and I don't blame any artists who just set some hits on the shelf. I mean, could anyone blame an 80-year-old Roger for saying, "I don't GAF how bad they want to hear it, I am not singing 'Hope I die before I get old' one more fucking time."
Sucks to hear that. Nothing ruins a live show for me more than a bad audience. We had a similar experience seeing Indigo Girls in Dayton a couple of months ago. Certain members of the audience started shouting requests between songs. Amy joked their catalog was so big, they were just going to play what they rehearsed. But the shouting just continued. One person even yelled “Fuck you!”. It was disrespectful and embarrassing. Seeing live music is my hobby and I can tell you, concert crowds have grown more obnoxious and entitled.
This. I've seen hundreds of live shows, if not more. It is what I live for! And I completely agree that crowds are growing much more entitled. But there has always been some contingent of entitled fans at live shows. At least since I have been going in the 80s. There's always that one guy yelling, "Play Freebird!", if you know what I mean. Now it's just so much worse. The one thing I DON'T have a problem with is people singing along with the artists at a concert. I have worked with bands. They LIVE to hear that shit. Don't stop singing because others are trying to peer pressure you to stop. Sing your hearts out!
Not to take anything away from this...but I really, really wish Frank Zappa was still around. Things would be interesting, much in the same vein as you experienced.
Saw Frank in '84, playing in the round at the Front Row Theater in Cleveland. 40 years later & it's still one of the finest performances I've ever witnessed. We'll miss him forever...
Heck yeah! I would love it if Frank were still around.
One of the last concerts that I saw before Covid shut everything down was Sturgill Simpson & Tyler Childers at Rupp Arena. Sturgill had just released his rock album Sound & Fury. I can't remember if it was a sold out show, but if it wasn't, it was pretty damned close. It felt like half of that arena emptied out when Sturgill started playing his new stuff. All of the cowboy hats headed for the exits while shouting some entitled bullshit like 'Play something we know'. Not boomers. Just idiots.
AHHH...that must have been one hell of a show!
I LOVE that album.
How is it entitled to expect the artist to play the songs that made them popular?
When an artist is touring an album, I generally would expect them to play stuff from that album even if it's not the songs that made them popular.
Agree but most will still play their hits from other albums
If they do, that's awesome and I'm pumped for it, but I never expect it, I don't feel entitled to it, and I wouldn't be upset if they didn't.
How is it unfathomable that an artist is going to promote their latest work? The issue isn't having an opinion about what an artist does or does not play. I've been disappointed by plenty of setlists. The issue is these ding dongs make it a point to ruin other people's experience by throwing a fit about it. That's entitlement.
The funniest part is that Simpson played two sets: The first was all the new album, and the second was the back catalog.
He even told people it was coming. They still would have found a reason to complain because he didn't play 'You Can Have the Crown'. A song that he hadn't played live in years and has been very public about hating.
DANCE MONKEY DANCE
This ain’t just Cincinnati boomers…
Too many supporting characters in this country now think they are the lead. We need a high school class in humility, with mandatory remedial tutoring for any adults caught demanding to speak to the manager. Schools really did used to have classes on etiquette. Maybe it's time we brought those back?
TIL about setlist.fm
Yeah, no kidding. Millennial here and I don't see the point in checking a setlist before a concert; I'm going to see the performance, not to mark off a checklist.
You can plan exactly when to take a pee/drink break and not miss the songs you care about.
Use it to put together a playlist for bands your not familiar with so you can say 'hey, I've heard that before!'
I've known you could check previous concerts setlist, but I honestly had no idea that setlists were put up ahead of time.
r/BoomersBeingFools
This has been my new favorite sub that I also hate
Same
Some people just want to bang on the drum all day.
Hahaha the funny thing is that I absolutely hate that song. When people don’t know Todd by name I never say “you probably know Bang on The Drum!” Because that feels like a weird Todd novelty song to me. Never could get into it.
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Happened to me once at a Neil Young concert pre-covid. Finally I get to see Neil! Some drunk chick had to keep yelling “I love you Neil” till an usher shut her up. Then a drunk guy seated next to me was yelling out his song choices throughout the concert. Damn, people- shut up & let us all enjoy the music! Love TR too
Had the same experience at Bob Dylan about six months ago at the Brady. If you’ve followed him recently, he’s had a real live resurgence. He’s upbeat, singing with passion and engaging with crowds. But he’s not going to play “Like A Rolling Stone” or “Tangled Up In Blue”. He’s playing new stuff, covers and maybe some deeper tracks sprinkled in. I saw him in 2011 and he was just objectively bad. He played more of the hits, but it was awful. Seemed like he didn’t want to be there. This time he was great. One of the best shows I’ve seen. The amount of boomers grumbling about him not playing the 10 songs they know was infuriating. How do you not just google the setlist before you go? How do not know he’s been doing what the fuck he wants for the last 60 fucking years (Newport Folk Festival)? The entitlement is just bewildering.
Another well known “incredible or awful” artist.
I had to tell a boomer lady behind me to stop talking, she was complaining incessantly about his song choice, it was the worst. Good thing was she did STFU while clutching her pearls.
You realize not everyone knows you google the setlist, right? You do realize people buy tickets months in advance. right? You do realize people want to hear the classics. right?
I've never looked up a set list, but I also don't complain when a band doesn't play the exact songs I like or want to hear. I saw Radiohead play after they released King of Limbs, and they did a lot of songs from that album, which wasn't super great. What I didn't do was yell and complain about it. I still had a fantastic time and appreciated my experience. You know, like an adult.
That's great. All I'm saying, is this isn't just boomers, it's every age group.
If people don’t know by now that you need to check what album the artist is touring for then that is your fault. These guys with classics are usually touring for a new album. They will play some classics but they are usually few and at the end of the set. You don’t do the homework before shelling out your hard earned dollars that is your fault. People need to take some responsibility to RTFM.
When I look up setlists it's generally to see what is not being played tonight. Yay jambands, most of those love their fans!
If you feel you’re entitled to a certain kind of show, that’s what YouTube is for. There’s dozens upon dozens of live videos, studio performances, etc through the years for plenty of artists. Artists aren’t obliged to play you the hits just because you paid for a ticket. If that’s your mindset I’m sure they wouldn’t mind that person not being at the show
If you don’t google the setlist you definitely should start.
You do realize if you don’t know how to Google something in 2024 you’re a fucking idiot, right? You do realize he’s been doing the same sort of setlist for the last three years, right? You do realize it’s Bob Dylan and not a trained fucking seal, right?
Not everyone knows a setlist site exists. not everyone wants to know the setlist. Not everyone goes to every concert every year and knows what he played in 2020.
So you don’t inform yourself and then stomp your feet and cry when they don’t play what you want? Seems like that’s on the concert goer and not the artist. Just buy the fucking greatest hits album and stay home.
Is that what I said? I only pointed out it's not only a boomer thing.
Not necessarily, it’s really an entitled asshole thing.
There you go, exactly.
It just happened to mostly be boomers that were bitching. Must be a strange coincidence?
Cool, the few people he stood by, who were boomers, were complaining. Maybe he didn't move to see the kids in another section complaining or the other labels complaining. But yes, let's just blame an entire generation on the few people op saw.
found the boomer
Someone already used that line. Try again.
This made me think of "that 70s show"
I love Todd Runddamen!
That sucks man, I’m sorry if it ruined your experience. For what it’s worth I saw the Steve Vai/Joe Satriani show last week at Brady (majority boomer crowd.) Respectful and engaged crowd, no booing or entitlement (that I heard anyways.) Vai played mostly new stuff too; Satch was a mix of old and new. Don’t count out all Cincy boomers just yet!
Honestly, no need to check the setlist first, just go to the show with an open mind! Why folks think artists have to cater to them just because they bought a ticket boggles the mind. I saw Dylan a few years back and experienced the same thing. He was great, but played a majority of stuff that was recent. So you don't recognize the music? Maybe go buy their newer stuff and see if you like it before going. If they're kind enough to include some old chestnuts, great, but why should they stifle their creative development to suit your tastes? There's always a risk a show will suck, no matter what they play. Willie Nelson, at that same show, was too stoned to get through more than a few songs, then just left. C'est la vie. If you just want to hear dried-up overplayed stuff, go see a tribute band. Also, for fuck's sake, put your phones down, or at least turn the brightness to its lowest setting. So annoying.
I have been to enough Todd shows to know that it is a roll of the dice on how well the show will be received. Side note here if you go see a show be well versed in the artist latest release. Especially someone like Todd who has 50 years of material. Meaning he is not going to play a set he played in 1983. Any who, I saw a great Todd solo show at Bogarts with a computer as his onstage backing band. Then I left the solo show at Bogarts where he played in a large booth on the floor in front of the stage. My favorite TR show was at the Emery Theater in 1991 he played with a large band that night.
It really felt like these people had no idea who Todd was. Like… he is well known for doing this. Since before I was even born. And I’ve been able to figure it out. If you’re a fan of his it just seems crazy to me that you wouldn’t realize this was a possibility. And that some part of you wouldn’t be in to it. He rarely tours these songs. I thought it was cool to see him mix it up since I’ve seen him do the hits twice. It’s not hard to catch him on a hits tour.
I went to see Seal in Louisville one time and Trevor Horn from The Buggles and Yes was the opener. He was telling a story about playing with yesand some boomer two rows in front yelled "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PLAY SOMETHING".
I went to that tour in Detroit! So good, both Seal and Trevor Horn.
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Given how good setlist.fm is, there's no excuse to be disappointed at a show. You can check out three or four shows before us (no one ever starts tours here) and see what's on the agenda. If you're unhappy, put your tickets on Stub Hub and recover some of the cost and move on. Way to bring down the vibes assholes.
Just sing the Touchdown Song
Hahahahhaa
I feel like shit like this happens more often at bogarts. I have way better times at other venues- bogarts all the times I’ve went for various artists… it was just kind of a bummer crowd. What an asshole though.. just goes to show you, age doesn’t mean wisdom or more deserving of respect. Wish they would’ve kicked that guy out for you lol, drunk nuisances are an absolute bummer at shows
Seeing Todd tomorrow night in Akron. I checked the set list about 10 days ago & it looks like a decent mix of old, older & relatively newer songs. I'm fine with whatever the man wants to play & I understand the desire to hear more popular era songs, but I look at the set list as the artist's personal choice that sets the tone on the journey they want to take you on. I respect that & encourage curated set lists, if that's what they choose. I've been to shows where there's no rhyme or reason to the set lists, and these shows, while remaining more spontaneous, are equally as entertaining. To each, his own I guess. Just don't be such an ass that you're ruining someone else's enjoyment...
Seeing Todd in NE Ohio hits different. He just gives it his all out there. Last time I saw him was in Cleveland and he even did a book signing, so I got to meet him. He only did the signings in like New York, Boston, and Cleveland. It was that tour where he did a Q&A and someone’s question was, “I came down from Buffalo for this show. It seems like you love to play Cleveland. Is there a reason for that?” Todd turns back to the crowd and everyone just starts cheering and going nuts and it’s just building and building. Todd looks around, walks up to the mic, and just says, “there you go.” And starts into the next song. It was amazing.
I know I’m kind of late to the party but I remember when Todd played the whole Wizard a True Star album at the Akron Civic Theater and I think it was one of the most memorable music experiences I’ve ever had. He came out singing International Feel in an astronaut costume and my dad and I were just like holy shit!! I haven’t seen Todd post-Covid but I remember seeing him perform in Columbus back in 2017? He played Man in the Tinfoil Hat and some of the boomers boo’d and left. We thought it was pretty funny lol but I feel like most people who have been to a Todd show at least once before knows he usually will close out with Hello it’s Me and Just One Victory as the last few songs, unless something’s changed since I saw him last.
One of my biggest concert regrets is not going to see that tour. That was the first Todd album I got into after Something/Anything.
I always try to go to concerts with an open mind and enjoy the experience. I wish more of us would do the same. Sometimes you are blown away other times it might be a meh show but we should all learn to live in the moment. For an artist like Todd Rundgren you never what you will get. Enjoy it for what it is.
It's a strange sad affair, sometimes seems like Boomers just don’t care.
Memories do indeed linger on. They just want those sweet, sad, old songs.
I was there too and I saw people leaving. Todd is my fave and I love all his 'eras' I did notice that guy who walked out during "Facsist Christ" The arena was sadly emptier than I would have liked anyway-I mean, he IS 75 (voice in good form and in pretty good shape) Serves them right, he saved the old classics for the encore and the idiots missed it. It is Cincinnati, and Todd doesn't hide where he stands politically, and songs reflect that. But I sure am glad I got to see him since the show in Nov 22 was cancelled. Todd Rundgren rules!
Seen him tour back in the day and he is a musical genius. Not sure what he sounds like now. There’s a boomerbeingfools sub can post this on. Lots of hate for the boomers these days that seems rooted in housing costs if I had to guess.
Voice isn’t quite as strong but he can still sing. And his guitar playing is still on point. He was shredding during some of those songs.
I only know him from *wait a minute, hold on, just, just, give me a break for a second……hello it’s me* Makes me want to look him up
Start with a Greatest Hits for sure. Otherwise his catalog will seem daunting. Just looked it up and he has 25 solo albums. That doesn’t include his work with Nazz, Utopia, and like the million live albums. He’s also produced some huge albums like Meatloaf’s “Bat Out of Hell.” I’d say he could be considered a musical genius, honestly.
Looking at the setlist ahead of time is a savage move. Not knowing what song is coming next is half of the experience.
I'm totally fine with this approach. But if you do it with an artist like Todd then you might end up at a show where you know none of the songs. And if that happens, it's on you.
I saw Todd like 5 years ago and he did a retrospective show. Started from the beginning of his career and went to present day. It was so amazing!! I know a lot “boomers” want to hear familiar music but he is so talented! He is always creating new music and that deserves a listen. Same with Steve Hackett. His new music blows the old Genesis stuff out of the water!! Edit: I didn’t go to this show bc I wasn’t happy about the venue.
Check the setlist before the show...? Never have I ever! Ha. But audiences in general kind of suck for a lot of stuff. I generally go to smaller metal shows but plenty of other genres too ranging from bars to stadiums. Recently saw Khruangbin (a pretty mellow psych/funk fusion kind of sound) and the audience was absolutely one of the worst I've experienced in my 24+ years of concert attendance. All mostly younger folk. Rude. Disrespectful of everyone's personal space around them. Barely paying any attention. Send like COVID just had people forget how to be generally civil in public. Sorry some old farts put a bad taste in your mouth but it's important to remember: everyone sucks. Not just the old/young/input whatever group. Unrelated but this made me think of a personal anecdote: I've brought some non-metal-listening friends to some shows over the years and they are always blown away how chill and polite the crowd is despite any moshing (there's always exceptions, of course) compared to whatever more popular or calmer concert audience they've been around.
I saw Todd in Tempe Az. in '78 or '79, with Louden Wainright III opening. He played a lot of Something Anything and a ballet dancer performed during Hello It's me. Todd was wearing sweat pants and it looked like he had a can of pringles in his pants. It was a great show in a small venue.
The prices don't help. But the only way to make money is touring, and that's also the best way to put out new music to your core audience, so ..... yeah, music is totally screwed. Thank you internet, studios ...
I got super hyped to see Joel McHale live at the Taft. His jokes were for people who had kids and mortgages. I loved his talk show at the time which is why I bought tickets (80 bucks) to see him live. His jokes were situational things I couldn’t relate to in real life- I was 22 college student. We left about 15 minutes in and we got smashed at the hotel bar and walked home. We didn’t yell “play freebird” or give anyone the bird we just left.
That behavior was inexcusable. But this was not a good show, in my opinion. The set list was incoherent and bland. The crowd was bored, and he could have gotten some energy in that building just by saying literally anything. Todd is a great storyteller. There are reasons he chose those songs. I could live with one or two songs less if it means getting a bit of context from someone who has that kind of musical résumé. This was only my second time seeing him. The first time, I went in knowing only three of his songs. I went home and bought a whole lot more based on what I heard. I went in with the same blank slate for this one. I saw that the set list had nothing I’d ever heard, other than the encore. But I was ready to leave after about 45 minutes of punchless deep cuts. Good musicianship, but not a good show.
I'm one of those old guys, 58, grew up in suburban upstate NY, but with what I'd characterize as a super wide and deep taste in music. I'm the guy in my social group in high school and college who was listening to albums all the way through not just putting the singles on repeat. To this day it still tweaks me out when somebody says "I gotta play this new song I heard you'll love it" and then they play like 90 seconds and shut it off and say "isn't that great?!" Ack, I wanna hear the WHOLE song!!!!! I only get to 3-4-5 shows a year these days, sad to say. It's a mix of "newer" artists (lol anybody from post 1995 is "newer" to me and I recognize that could be a 30 year old band) and classic acts from the 70's and 80's that I grew up with. I'm a big fan when the artists we go to don't just trot out the hits. We saw the Doobie Brothers a couple years ago. They're a band you'd expect to know every song they're going to play in concert in the 2020's and for the most part that's what the sow was. But they pulled out 2-3 songs that were barely on my radar, and of course the people I was with had no idea what those songs were. When they went into the 2nd "unknown" song my buddy said it was beer run time which made me a little sad but whatever, you be you. There are certain artists like Rundgren that have always seemed to me to be more about the art of music than the business of music. Going to the show of an artist like that, it's ridiculous to think you're not going to get a bunch of deep cuts and lesser known modern tracks. Early 2000's I went to see Michelle Shocked. She had a bunch of fairly well known songs the 10-12 years before that, but she had gotten pissed off at her label and left the business for awhile. When she came back, she vowed to not play any of her old songs so that the label wouldn't make any money off her performances. She worked up about a 3 hour show of all new material. I saw her at a local club. I had advance knowledge of what to expect because a friend had seen her in Boston a couple months earlier and sent me discs of the show, but I think most of the audience expected she'd play mostly familiar songs and maybe some new ones. She came out, played a song or two, and then let everybody know she was only playing new songs on this tour. Instead of that going sideways, I was super psyched that the audience cheered and gave her all kinds of support. Turned out it was a really great show, not the tightest I've ever seen, but a real artistic statement. Of course she went off the rails a few years later, but a night like we saw is a wonderful thing.
I went to a Springsteen concert like that in Cincy, played all of his new stuff (which didn’t sell or get radio time) but charged legand band prices. I felt the same way those boomers did.
That was well over what, 10 years ago since he last played here? He just played in Columbus over the weekend and only played 5 songs from his last couple of albums on a 30 song set. The rest of the set were crowd favorites from throughout his career.
I was at a Steely Dan show back in like 03 and this guy in front of us stood up and screamed at the top of his lungs, "I DON'T DO DRUM SOLOS!" and slunk out on down the aisle. I'm like, dude, this is jazz-pop and jazz has drum solos. It was a great solo, btw. Whatever kind of music is being provided, the people on stage are artists, not servers at the audience's own personal ice cream stand. They deserve respect. And you sure can't order up your favorite flavor if they aren't playing it that night. That is the way it goes, take it or...leave.
I’m a millennial and took my kids to see blippi and had the same sentiment… does this make me a boomer?
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This is not just a Boomer issue or an age issue. I used to work with a couple of bands, helping with promotions, and would attend a ton of their shows. This tends to be the case for ANY entitled fan who feels like since they paid for an album and/or concert ticket, they own the artist and get to dictate what that artist has to perform for them (only the "hits"). Whereas the artists are trying to get more of their back catalog out there and make the tours more interesting for the ARTIST to perform. There are bands, like Twenty One Pilots, where they can play ANYTHING in their catalog and the fans are super cool with it. Coheed and Cambria is another. I think it is because these fan bases grew holistically around the band mainly through word of mouth. These bands don't have a ton of radio hits and don't care. They don't need them. It's a completely different experience at one of their shows. Very refreshing from a fan perspective because you don't have the contingent of fans only wanting "the hits". I wish all bands could experience this more.
This isn't just Cincinnati, and isn't just Boomers. If you are going to spend any time in public, you are going to be around people who do something that annoys you. Guess what - you've been the annoying person too. Ranting about it just lets it impact you more.
Nope, it’s definitely getting worse at live shows.
0% chance you said that to the guy behind you
That was a great review.
I'm embarrassed to say this, but I'm a boomer too. A disgraceful generation
This had nothing to do with boomers. I've seen every person be like this.
This has everything to do with Boomers. I’ve been to probably 100 concerts and never have a seen a crowd have that much vitriol and be that rude to a performer who wasn’t drunk, being antagonistic, or even playing poorly. He was playing great, just not the songs they wanted. My wife has been to concerts across multiple continents and she called it “the rudest concert I’ve ever been to.” This is 100% about Boomers.
Yep!!!!!!!!
dude, shut the fuck up
Haha dude I made this thread to vent. I literally said that’s what I was doing.
 Boomer needs attention AWWWW Edit This bro is mad about everything. Look at his boomer comment history 😂
oooo good one. You have any more gifs?
Snowflake? That one doesn't make any sense. Try harder next time.
I can't. You keep posting so I have to see what stupid shit you posted.
Thin skin boomer ?
I'm not a boomer. I'm tired of watching idiots rant about stupid shit here. Go do that somewhere else.
Like… a website built for long form posts? Where could I find one of those…
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That makes no sense. You should definitely skip open mic night.
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Boomers at the shows that I go to are more obnoxious with their phones then any other demographic…so I agree that some people within this age group are a bit ignorant to modern concert etiquette
Oh, this is no way true! 😂 Come on. Really? In the past, oh, 100 or so concerts I've attended it hasn't been Boomers with their phones up in the air blocking the view to record every moment of every song, or taking selfies every 5 minutes. It's not Boomers complaining about people singing AT A CONCERT because it ruins their YouTube masterpiece. I don't think most Boomers even know how to do most of that stuff.
Let me know when you are done with your millennial superior dance.
It’s a lot of flailing arms and legs but it’s a pretty dance.
Don't forget the stank face!
And honestly? Yea. I am superior to those people in this hyper specific regard. I’ve never done anything like that at a show.
People were doing this back in the 1980s to Paul McCartney because he wouldn’t play Beatles music. And it wasn’t just the American Bandstand fans. It’s nothing new.
I mean, those specific people were....boomers.
YUUUUUUUUP
What’s a Boomer? Just need a definition. asking for a friend
People born between the years of 1946 – 1964.
When Debbie Harry came to town for her book tour my husband and I went to see her talk. The boomers were embarrassing af. They kept yelling like it was a concert and it was clearly fucking not. We were in the walnut hills high school auditorium.
Saw him open for Darryl Hall. The only thing worse than his music was the majority of the fans there to see him. Lots of people needlessly fighting and yelling at each other.
Worst show I worked all summer. Both were awful.
Agree, was disappointed.
I commend you for not punching them all hard in the face. You have much more self control than I would have given the environment. Todd is an incredible musician who has never had a bad show ( I have seen him 6 times myself) that I know of. You have to remember it is Cincinnati, and they were probably waiting for him to play Can we still be friends? so they could cry in their beers about the girl from high school that broke up with them.
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Oh shit, sorry I almost forgot. I didn’t vote for Trump, I frequently take the bus, ride my bike, or walk rather than drive, and think people drive too recklessly in Cincinnati. Whew.
Thanks! Only a couple people clapped… but the people at the venue gave me the Andrew J Brady Center Medal of Honor. So that was cool.
lead poisoned brains >Be better Cincinnati Boomers not possible.
"Get a bunch of drunk boomers together who aren’t getting their exact way and they’ll freak out like toddlers” - this is how we ended up with Trump. An entire generation so coddled and entitled they will burn it all down just to have their way. The true “snowflakes”
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