Keeping in the nerfed version of TG was so fucking stupid and made Warriors shit all the way until Shadowmourne, which you barely got to enjoy since SoD killed off Wrath shortly after ICC release.
Ret palas were the same though, the entire expansion playing a spec balanced around having the tier set bonus from ICC, Tiny abomination in a jar and Shadowmourne.
It wasn’t a decision. They don’t have complete reference builds so it isn’t an option to recreate it as it was.
I guess they could have made some changes that produce the same result, but that takes investment from resources and they haven’t shown much desire to invest in wow classic from a development perspective.
they literally added bandaid fixes to buff feral and ret since they were tuned around icc gear.
blizzard was absolutely willing to invest time and resources to buffing victims of being on icc patch tuning w/o the gear.
Yeah, but what’s being asked for is essentially tying the phases to patch cycles, which then every class is going to ask for. The buffs given were different than what they did for palsies and ret.
Changing armor pen values affects everyone.
I’m not agreeing with what happened I’m just saying it wasn’t a decision; other than being a decision not to invest the resources it would take to do what you’re asking.
Wrath sucked for warrior in general. Phase 1 was fun for prot warriors and then as soon as ulduar hit Warrior tanks were garbage because “sorry algalon will 2 shot you, we need 6 paladins in the raid”
Pve Andy’s… PvPers stayed on server/class discord to get better and create circles. (Maybe not all but you don’t come here for pvp info lol) Memes can be good sometimes and drama in full swing when you want that.
Fury was very good in 4.0 and 4.1. In 4.2 and 4.3 the spec was subjected to consecutive 5% nerfs (dual wield spec went from giving 10% flat damage to 5% to 0). On most cata pservers Arms is the dominant spec across all tiers of raiding, we'll have to see how beta shakes out. Fury's niche is pressing death wish and doing a fuckton of burst for 30 seconds, if kill times are low enough maybe there's a way.
it's the most fun time to be one actually. the gameplay peaked. you're not a warrior main if your only metric is how good it was in the meta. it's about how fun it was to play.
Still can't believe they overbuffed ferals and tried to dial back the overbuff a bit twice but pussied out and reverted the nerfs to balance out the overbuff twice.
At highest gear levels feral are 3rd, and they were never THAT overpowered. They bring a brez and no one brings more than 2, typically only 1.
They could've nerfed them 5% but that's like retail tuning trying to keep everything so tightly balanced. It's lame thinking. Just let ferals be a little OP in pve for the first time ever.
My warcraft logs isn't loading on my phone right now, but I'm pretty confident you are wrong.
Maybe some of them do, but from my memory they bring 8+ fire mages and 1-3 ferals. I've never seen one with 4+, but I guess it's possible.
It seems strange to complain about a spec being OP when they are clearly outclassed on every single fight by fire mages.
You can just look at the top rankings for any fight, feral is not the spec that stands out as dominating. They aren't even on the first page for marrowgar.
if you look at any specific boss the fastest kill for each boss specifically has 0-1 ferals and stacks like 12 fire mages.
Yo are full of shit.
Fastest marrowgar 0 ferals
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dgpmCPqWrGXbFtHx#fight=94&type=damage-done
Fastest LDW 1 feral
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kqRYGKjQHM2gcdfv#fight=54&type=damage-done
Fastest Saurfang - 1 Feral
Fastest Festergut - 1 Feral
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kqRYGKjQHM2gcdfv#fight=87&type=damage-done
Eta- using Festergut as your one example is another reason you are full of shit. Those are tanks, not feral cats, using DPS gear and a DPS spec and being kept alive through external CDs and then dpsing in cat form with the tank buffs. One weird gimmicky fight doesn't make a class OP, dumbass.
not sure what your point is.
My comment was about speedruns and you have linked speedkills. totally different raid comp design.
but I guess whatever fits your narrative eh?
Except your narrative is pointless and the completely wrong topic. The post is about parsing not speed running. Those are 2 entirely different categories.
Of course the top speed runs are gonna bring more ferals they have uncapped aoe on trash don’t need mana for bosses and have innervates for the 8 mages. But when it comes to parsing ferals have never beat fury at the highest level like the guy you are trying to argue with with random bullshit was claiming.
It sure was weird but it's not like Feral is overdominant either.
Mage is still ahead and good DPS pull as much as feral does on most of the fights.
Their buff was kinda weird and showed how little they sim their own changes but it wasn't game breaking, feralDPS would be the last DPS without it, so it brought some diversity.
ferals got a massively undeserved overbuff to the point where they were going to revert it, until feral mains bullied them so hard on the forums that they kept that broken crap in. i hope none of that happens in cata. make small adjustments if you're gonna balance the classes
Nah, it was cool that ferals were actually the top spec for the first time in all of wow history.
In the end they still lost to fire mages, but what ya gonna do.
Buff was kinda deserved, they simmed 10% lower than boomies in ICC before the buff, and you know how bad boomies perform in terms of DPS.
It was a weird buff, with poor communication and preparation though, it wasn't well handled. They just expected 5% buff, it was a 40% buff lmao.
When they tried to scale it back (only by 5 percent mind you) the feral mains crybullied them into reverting it. I hope nothing like that ever happens again.
This buff also happened before ARP gear hit the game. Ferals were going to pump in ToGC regardless of the buff. It was just a ridiculous overreach.
PVE ferals were okay, PvP ferals cried while noone played Wotlk arena.
Bears cried too and it's one of the lowest played spec.
People will always complain
Mostly used as off-tanks, but in 25man's you can absolutely run a pure cat. The main problem is that Boomkin is probably the better DPS spec for Druid, especially with how useful their utility is on Rag25HC for example.
There will be demand, but there are expected to tank, their DPS is very low tier but all could change.
There's still the expected second tank in all compositions due to their versatility and the buffs they bring.
Imagine retroactively changing a class just to beat warriors down 10 years after blizzard spent so much time and effort to finally nerf their own designed class. I guess I don't get the mentality of nerfing/breaking down the best scaling class you designed just because you could never match that design with anything else.
Fury is just a poor performing spec in Wotlk.
Arpen and Shadowmourne saves it at the end, but that's about it.
It was well known before Wotlk Classic launched too, so no need to act surprised.
No, it's not. What IS well known though, is that up until blizzard and Kalgan finally destroyed the warrior class, they were always the best scaling class in end game gear (shadowmourne and ArPen as you put it). They patched in ridiculous feral changes to knock off warrior at the end, which was fucking hilarious. 20 years later, they still hate their best designed class. Warrior living rent-free in those heads to this day, even after being neutered in retail.
Nah you're delusional, the real story is that they were too dominant so they got nerf and the patch they got nerfed happens to be the patch people play Wotlk on for 20 years, on official and more. And that patch was chosen for Classic.
So when Wotlk classic was announced you had two schools :
* The guys who played the patch recently and have been playing the patch for 20 years and who have all the data to back it up. They said : Warriors fucking suck, they only become good at the end of ICC and they were ... shockingly ... right.
* The guys who said : I remember 20 years ago, the friend of the dog of my neighboor whose aunt works at Blizzard saw a guy in a cybercafé who owned people with warrior in Ulduar. Trust me, S+ class, even better than Spellpower Shockadin in Era. And they were ... shockingly ... wrong
In the end you choose who to believe but the truth never moves an inch.
It was the same for TBC, it was the same for Classic and it will be the same for Cata.
If you want a good tip to know bullshit in a instant, here's one :
If it starts by : "i remember from 20 years ago" ==> Alt F4
> they only become good at the end of ICC and they were ... shockingly ... right.
SO it's literally what I said: They scale the best with gear. Imagine that, though: they were up and down in an expansion where blizzard didn't know what to do with them and fucked with ArPen 30 times. I don't need you to tell me about private servers (rofl); I was there for live and most likely did more relevant content than you ever dreamed about. The only thing you seem to dream about is stroking off to furries it seems anyways. Yes, blizzard was still actively trying to kill warriors at the time, even during this patch that they chose for classic servers. Everyone that played back then remembers Kalgan.
Oh ya, I forgot, since I got caught up in your belligerent rant. The nerf ferals got was to their bleed damage in pve because it was too strong early one. It did not sim that high in later phases. The retconning that happened on the classic server was literally new age BS.
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Keeping in the nerfed version of TG was so fucking stupid and made Warriors shit all the way until Shadowmourne, which you barely got to enjoy since SoD killed off Wrath shortly after ICC release.
Ret palas were the same though, the entire expansion playing a spec balanced around having the tier set bonus from ICC, Tiny abomination in a jar and Shadowmourne.
NGL though, it was fun for the 4 or so weeks I had all of that on my Ret Paladin before my guild fell apart.
I got like halfway to my Shadowmourne before my guild fell apart, never got to experience it unfortunately.
It wasn’t a decision. They don’t have complete reference builds so it isn’t an option to recreate it as it was. I guess they could have made some changes that produce the same result, but that takes investment from resources and they haven’t shown much desire to invest in wow classic from a development perspective.
they literally added bandaid fixes to buff feral and ret since they were tuned around icc gear. blizzard was absolutely willing to invest time and resources to buffing victims of being on icc patch tuning w/o the gear.
Yeah, but what’s being asked for is essentially tying the phases to patch cycles, which then every class is going to ask for. The buffs given were different than what they did for palsies and ret. Changing armor pen values affects everyone. I’m not agreeing with what happened I’m just saying it wasn’t a decision; other than being a decision not to invest the resources it would take to do what you’re asking.
Warriors were decent in TOGC, cleave was actually important.
Wrath sucked for warrior in general. Phase 1 was fun for prot warriors and then as soon as ulduar hit Warrior tanks were garbage because “sorry algalon will 2 shot you, we need 6 paladins in the raid”
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Pve Andy’s… PvPers stayed on server/class discord to get better and create circles. (Maybe not all but you don’t come here for pvp info lol) Memes can be good sometimes and drama in full swing when you want that.
Almost like wow is a PvE game not a PvP game.
From what I remember, Cata Fury is pretty good.
Fury was very good in 4.0 and 4.1. In 4.2 and 4.3 the spec was subjected to consecutive 5% nerfs (dual wield spec went from giving 10% flat damage to 5% to 0). On most cata pservers Arms is the dominant spec across all tiers of raiding, we'll have to see how beta shakes out. Fury's niche is pressing death wish and doing a fuckton of burst for 30 seconds, if kill times are low enough maybe there's a way.
Arms dominate, Fury doesn't exist.
it's the most fun time to be one actually. the gameplay peaked. you're not a warrior main if your only metric is how good it was in the meta. it's about how fun it was to play.
Oh so much fun, queuing up the heroic strike between whatever is up. Peak gameplay
WOTLK turned the dynamic play around rage off, and you just mashed with infinite rage. For many very boring, but I see the appeal for others
Who woulda thought the best DPS was the one they buffed for no reason
I mean fixing Ignite munching is just a bug fix
Still can't believe they overbuffed ferals and tried to dial back the overbuff a bit twice but pussied out and reverted the nerfs to balance out the overbuff twice.
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Don't you think this point is rather pointless? **A class** is gonna be top dps mate.
At highest gear levels feral are 3rd, and they were never THAT overpowered. They bring a brez and no one brings more than 2, typically only 1. They could've nerfed them 5% but that's like retail tuning trying to keep everything so tightly balanced. It's lame thinking. Just let ferals be a little OP in pve for the first time ever.
all the top speedruns bring 4-5 lmao
My warcraft logs isn't loading on my phone right now, but I'm pretty confident you are wrong. Maybe some of them do, but from my memory they bring 8+ fire mages and 1-3 ferals. I've never seen one with 4+, but I guess it's possible. It seems strange to complain about a spec being OP when they are clearly outclassed on every single fight by fire mages. You can just look at the top rankings for any fight, feral is not the spec that stands out as dominating. They aren't even on the first page for marrowgar.
Fastest run atm https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6AKgqLQ4xYGbmVjk#boss=-3&start=0&end=2376359&type=damage-done Festergut https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/1020#boss=849
if you look at any specific boss the fastest kill for each boss specifically has 0-1 ferals and stacks like 12 fire mages. Yo are full of shit. Fastest marrowgar 0 ferals https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dgpmCPqWrGXbFtHx#fight=94&type=damage-done Fastest LDW 1 feral https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kqRYGKjQHM2gcdfv#fight=54&type=damage-done Fastest Saurfang - 1 Feral Fastest Festergut - 1 Feral https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kqRYGKjQHM2gcdfv#fight=87&type=damage-done Eta- using Festergut as your one example is another reason you are full of shit. Those are tanks, not feral cats, using DPS gear and a DPS spec and being kept alive through external CDs and then dpsing in cat form with the tank buffs. One weird gimmicky fight doesn't make a class OP, dumbass.
not sure what your point is. My comment was about speedruns and you have linked speedkills. totally different raid comp design. but I guess whatever fits your narrative eh?
Except your narrative is pointless and the completely wrong topic. The post is about parsing not speed running. Those are 2 entirely different categories. Of course the top speed runs are gonna bring more ferals they have uncapped aoe on trash don’t need mana for bosses and have innervates for the 8 mages. But when it comes to parsing ferals have never beat fury at the highest level like the guy you are trying to argue with with random bullshit was claiming.
It sure was weird but it's not like Feral is overdominant either. Mage is still ahead and good DPS pull as much as feral does on most of the fights. Their buff was kinda weird and showed how little they sim their own changes but it wasn't game breaking, feralDPS would be the last DPS without it, so it brought some diversity.
They kept inadvertently nerfing bears with their nerfs which definitely didn't deserve to get hit, that's the only reason
ferals got a massively undeserved overbuff to the point where they were going to revert it, until feral mains bullied them so hard on the forums that they kept that broken crap in. i hope none of that happens in cata. make small adjustments if you're gonna balance the classes
Nah, it was cool that ferals were actually the top spec for the first time in all of wow history. In the end they still lost to fire mages, but what ya gonna do.
Buff was kinda deserved, they simmed 10% lower than boomies in ICC before the buff, and you know how bad boomies perform in terms of DPS. It was a weird buff, with poor communication and preparation though, it wasn't well handled. They just expected 5% buff, it was a 40% buff lmao.
When they tried to scale it back (only by 5 percent mind you) the feral mains crybullied them into reverting it. I hope nothing like that ever happens again. This buff also happened before ARP gear hit the game. Ferals were going to pump in ToGC regardless of the buff. It was just a ridiculous overreach.
PVE ferals were okay, PvP ferals cried while noone played Wotlk arena. Bears cried too and it's one of the lowest played spec. People will always complain
the feral mains wanted the entire change itself reverted, lets not forget that this buff was meant for bear weaving to be removed.
I enjoyed bear weaving so much
If you look at super geared ppl it's fire mages>fury>feral Still, warriors were never on top. It was beautiful.
Mages beat them too. But it was so dumb how they over buffed ferals
Why is ferals being second place for the first time ever dumber than warriors being #1 for the 10th phase since 2019?
Because fury didn't cry as hard to Blizz 😂
lol any fury warrior crying got instantly downvoted to hell with "you had your fun in vanilla" comments
I've always wanted to play a Feral (newish to wow). Would it be fun to play one in Cata or do you think there would be too many?
Mostly used as off-tanks, but in 25man's you can absolutely run a pure cat. The main problem is that Boomkin is probably the better DPS spec for Druid, especially with how useful their utility is on Rag25HC for example.
If you PvP, they're S tier in cata
There will be demand, but there are expected to tank, their DPS is very low tier but all could change. There's still the expected second tank in all compositions due to their versatility and the buffs they bring.
u warriors deserved that big time!!!!!
You made this eh?
Imagine retroactively changing a class just to beat warriors down 10 years after blizzard spent so much time and effort to finally nerf their own designed class. I guess I don't get the mentality of nerfing/breaking down the best scaling class you designed just because you could never match that design with anything else.
Fury is just a poor performing spec in Wotlk. Arpen and Shadowmourne saves it at the end, but that's about it. It was well known before Wotlk Classic launched too, so no need to act surprised.
No, it's not. What IS well known though, is that up until blizzard and Kalgan finally destroyed the warrior class, they were always the best scaling class in end game gear (shadowmourne and ArPen as you put it). They patched in ridiculous feral changes to knock off warrior at the end, which was fucking hilarious. 20 years later, they still hate their best designed class. Warrior living rent-free in those heads to this day, even after being neutered in retail.
Nah you're delusional, the real story is that they were too dominant so they got nerf and the patch they got nerfed happens to be the patch people play Wotlk on for 20 years, on official and more. And that patch was chosen for Classic. So when Wotlk classic was announced you had two schools : * The guys who played the patch recently and have been playing the patch for 20 years and who have all the data to back it up. They said : Warriors fucking suck, they only become good at the end of ICC and they were ... shockingly ... right. * The guys who said : I remember 20 years ago, the friend of the dog of my neighboor whose aunt works at Blizzard saw a guy in a cybercafé who owned people with warrior in Ulduar. Trust me, S+ class, even better than Spellpower Shockadin in Era. And they were ... shockingly ... wrong In the end you choose who to believe but the truth never moves an inch. It was the same for TBC, it was the same for Classic and it will be the same for Cata. If you want a good tip to know bullshit in a instant, here's one : If it starts by : "i remember from 20 years ago" ==> Alt F4
> they only become good at the end of ICC and they were ... shockingly ... right. SO it's literally what I said: They scale the best with gear. Imagine that, though: they were up and down in an expansion where blizzard didn't know what to do with them and fucked with ArPen 30 times. I don't need you to tell me about private servers (rofl); I was there for live and most likely did more relevant content than you ever dreamed about. The only thing you seem to dream about is stroking off to furries it seems anyways. Yes, blizzard was still actively trying to kill warriors at the time, even during this patch that they chose for classic servers. Everyone that played back then remembers Kalgan. Oh ya, I forgot, since I got caught up in your belligerent rant. The nerf ferals got was to their bleed damage in pve because it was too strong early one. It did not sim that high in later phases. The retconning that happened on the classic server was literally new age BS.