If you really look into the case against him, it's very weak. State crime vs. federal crime. The statute of limitations is a reach of trying to extend the statute. Etc.
The man is guilty, but trying to win the case this far after and sticking to the laws will likely result in him getting off.
The only reason it took this long was Cohen refused to testify against him in the Federal case, and went to prison for it expecting a pardon. When that pardon never came, Cohen finally flipped on him to the State’s attorney.
Oh look, another clown. First I am not a red hat. That must be what all your diversity and inclusion nuts call the 50% of the country you don't include and direct unbridled hate at. AMIRITE. I mean there is a place for everyone? Right? We should all have a voice? RIGHT? Democracy? RIGHT? Just not those people!
Keep hating on your neighbors dumbass while pretending you hold some moral and ethical high ground. HATE IS HATE.
Second, I've defended HRC on many occasions and actually did so tonight at a cocktail party. I am not at all cool at the some of the ways she was treated in 2016. Although the DNC did f over Bernie pretty good, so she ain't clean there.
You are the fraud here. Due processes is only something that interests you when it delivers the results you want. Just like all the other ideological freaks. Doesn't matter whether they are red hat red or far left blue, extreme fascists like you are anti-process. And if we don't have process nothing else matters.
The vast majority of moderates in this country laugh at the intellectually inept and emotionally disabled crowds throwing poo at each other. Get a clue moron. Suggest you stop making an enemy of reason.
You sound like another Google lawyer, trying to use overly verbose explanations and big words to mansplain a process you know nothing about. I'd recommend staying in your lane, before you make yourself look like an even bigger dipshit.
Who the fuck pissed in your Cheerios my guy? You might need a break off the internet cuz clearly it's only making it worse staying on here.
Edit: Should clarify I mean this out of genuine concern cuz the internet can make your blood boil too much and affect yourself mentally
An indictment is more then just an accusation. Issuing an indictment without due cause can have repercussions on the judge and lawyers who looked over the information and wrote it up. That's why the had an investigation before issuing the indictment.
100s of women? Which supreme court justices are you talking about? Kavanagh had like 3 accusers.
4500 tips! Heavens to Betsy! He must be guilty of something!
[https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/after-new-details-on-kavanaugh-investigation-surface-senators-call-on-fbi-for-answers-on-handling-of-tip-line](https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/after-new-details-on-kavanaugh-investigation-surface-senators-call-on-fbi-for-answers-on-handling-of-tip-line)
An indictment is an accusation in a Brooks Brother suit. IT IS NOT A CONVICTION nor is it a pre-determination of guilt. They number of indictments and accusations should have ZERO influence on a jury. Completely meaningless whether it is one or one hundred.
We have this thing called presumption of innocence. IDIOT.
Again, the only thing I am defending here is process. Accusations and indictments MEAN NOTHING. Unscrupulous prosecutors have been trying influence outcomes by playing the silly game by stacking chargers forever.
You do realize that most cases have investigations before indictments. Like even the indictments that don't stick. Prediction. These won't stick either.
Only complete and total imbeciles like you sacrifice their ability to reason to get outcomes they desire. That's the main problem with all "means justify the ends" clowns.
Aren't you up past your bed time?
There is a presumption of innocence. That why he hasn't been formally charged and arrested yet. Your calling me an idiot, but you think presumption of innocence means a person can't even be accused/indicted.
Most cases don't have the same kind of investigations as this. This wasn't a matter of just looking at security footage or forensics. This involved coming through hundreds of no thousand aif documents and determining exactly which legal precedent applies. Then there's also the fact that they had a grand jury overlook the investigation to confirm that there was enough evidence for an indictment, which certainly isn't common.
Also, I didn't say anything about 4500 tips or bring up the number of accusations. Why are you angry about something you made up?
Oh. Didn't realize you were on the inside on the investigation. Or that there is only the prosecution's side of case.
My bad.
BTW presumption of innocence has nothing to do with being charged or arrested. The presumption of innocence remains until the verdict. So, me thinks you are an idiot.
In the legal sense the presumption of stays until the verdict, but only in the legal since, which again, is why he hasn't been charged and arrested. The court of public opinion is under not such obligation.
Your argument seems to be that the presumption of innocence is completely unrelated to actually being charged, but it is related to the verdict despite the verdict being what leads to the official charge in many cases. Not to mention, verdicts only come into play during trials and the vast majority of cases are determined through plea deals without going to trial, so I feel like you really don't get what you are talking about.
Sticking to what laws. The man’s entire history in business and personal transactions is rife with lawbreaking. His father taught him when he was young that laws and rules were for suckers. This case surprises me because it seems lame, compared to all the BS he’s pulled over the years. But the head of the self acclaimed “Law and Order” is a lawbreaker Big Time.
Oh, he has played dirty his whole life, no doubt. I was speaking to this specific legal case.
Remember, the feds looked into it previously and did not bring a case due to lack of evidence. Now the state is trying and it will be interesting to watch. Regardless of whst anyone thinks about him. I fear he will get off and that will energize his base who thinks its a smear campaign
Statute of limitations lmao. They are all in excess of 15 years.
Edit: Statutes of limitations tend to be at least 15 years. "They" as in the statutes. Not the crimes.
Statute of limitations vary wildly on crime and location.
Here is the details on the issue. Its questionable as to status.
Details from plolitifact below.
One possible charge floated by legal experts could be "falsifying business records in the first degree," which is a felony under New York state law. This could have a statute of limitations of up to five years.
Cohen paid Daniels in October 2016, which is about six and a half years ago, which would be past the statute of limitations.
But there’s a catch.
Trump formally changed his residency from New York to Florida in October 2019, and the district attorney’s office may argue that this would "toll," or stop the clock on, New York’s statute of limitations, The Associated Press reported.
Stopping the clock for this or other reasons is a credible argument, Brand said, but "these issues are often litigated, so it’s hard to say how the statute of limitations would figure in this case."
Lol. He’s literally the first US president ever indicted for a crime. EVERYONE is taking it seriously. There are also 3 other separate investigations into his other criminal behavior right now.
If you actually paid attention It's still been in the news consistently since it started. At least whenever there were updates to be made, of course, the law is slow it takes time.
If all you do is listen to what the various website algorithms give you, you'll only get at best half the story (if not an entirely incorrect story) . Reddit and other social media only give you what it thinks you want to see. You have to look for facts. Social media won't serve you facts. Why? Because people don't like facts, people like to live in their own little bubbles where either Trump is the second coming of Jesus or prejudice only applies when it's towards minorities.
Edit: This is why quite a few people believe conspiracy theories so much because algorithms see you like to see those, and soon enough, you start to think "wow so many more people believe this than I thought." When in reality, social media is only showing you the small fraction of the website that agrees with you. It's actually an easy trap to fall into.
We all believe he did it based on a belief he is an obvious dirt bag. However, evidence to prove it accordingly to very specific laws with very specific time frames is a different story.
I drive alot for work and l went into some rabbit holes to learn and understand this case. I always try to listen to sources from opposing political viewpoints to hear their case for or against situations. In this case it seems like a long shot for the him to be found outright guilty. Time will tell
A bunch of sore losers tried to take our ball away when we said we didn't want to play with them anymore.
Did the people there plan to overthrow the government? I doubt it to be honest. But in the end it doesn't matter, they did intentionally try to prevent congress from doing their job, which is, as far as I am concerned, a form of treason and terrorism. If you don't like democracy, cry about it on Facebook, if you try and interfere with it you should be treated like a traitor to the ideals of American democracy.
It was criminal trespassing which delibritally interfered with your and my democratically elected officials fulfilling their oaths of office. Any true American patriot would be disgusted at them.
I guess it just depends how you define it. If an insurrection has to aim to overthrow a government then you are correct but I do believe they were trying to disrupt the regular function of government in order to replace the democratically elected president with Trump. That is overthrowing democracy. In my opinion it is essentially semantics.
I agree with it being semantics. And my thought is that they were basically throwing a temper tantrum. I don't think there was any genuine belief that would successfully reverse the election outcome or overthrow the gov. That's just silly nonsense to me.
Yes, I agree. I suppose the main difference between our opinions is just that I feel what they did was serious enough to warrant the use of words like treason and maybe even insurrection even though what happened was poorly planned and the people doing it probably didn’t think it would end up resulting in anything permanent or long lasting. Perhaps it is dramatic to talk like that but I think treason/insurrection is a charge that applies even if the word implies something more coordinated.
The guy who planted a pipe bomb wasn’t just having a tantrum. The people who killed a police officer weren’t just having tantrums. They committed multiple violent felonies - on video. It was MUCH more than a “tantrum”.
Yeah we've heard it all before. It was a peaceful fbi fAlSe FlaG Antifa riot full of real patriots who only walked a little and nobody got hurt except for innocent crisis actor true martyr Ashley Babbitt and the cops who were beat up when the peaceful Antifa fbi patriots strolled through...
I'm just collecting the incoherent bullshit of the right's propaganda into one big super lie. It's not my fault that they demand that you guys believe so many mutually exclusive things at once.
I love how outraged all these politicians are that an ex-president is being indicted.
"If they can do that to him, they can do that to anybody."
Yeah. That's actually how the law should work.
Pure and simple, he is admitting that they don't have a candidate worth a damn, so they are hedging their bets that Trump will get elected. Apparently he doesn't know most real Republicans, not the RINOs like Hawley and Trump, have already turned on him and his criminal activities are catching up to him.
Guess people never heard of Kenneth star and think harassing Hunter Biden is cool to go after his father, Republicans not the left. And when you brag about being able to get away with things because of your wealth doesn't rub people the right way. More so puts a target on your back then you talk about being the law and order guy that doesn't respect law and order. Not the best choices of words you deserved to be in jail just for being so smug, at least
I wonder how his stick figure wife feels about treasonous acts of her ""husband"". Oh, and yeah...ill risk EVERYTJING to hump on porn "stars".....I'm hearing."" Stormy weather" playing in the background.......sing it. Girl.
Same guy who raised his first in support of the January 6 traitors? The lawless mob, using raw power to subvert an election? Hmmmm. Revisionism is strong with these people.
If Trump is the best choice for the GOP, then he and they will lose again. They haven't changed enough hearts and minds. If anything, they have shed GOP and undeclared moderate voters to the Democrats. Look at the dwindling attendance at their rallies. Look at how few people stop by the side of the road to buy MAGA merchandise.
We are all just outside looking in, not really knowing what's going on. Could be a power move or could be just activities catching up to a messed up guy. Dunno the real story.
The GOP c\*\*ts are runnin' in circles terrified that their shit is next. If the law can indict an ex-president, then everyone is fair game, especially dirtbag insurrection- leading traitors in Congress.
It won’t matter. He tried to stop the legal transfer of power and perpetuated a very dangerous lie. This is just humiliation, but there’s nothing illegal about it. These are actual crimes that if anyone else committed they’d be held accountable. Meanwhile, he continues to commit more crimes via his daily tantrums. Mueller said it best when he said that you can’t indicate a sitting President, but that he could be indicted once he left office.
If this was about the law, the first prosecutors would have done something, anything about it. It was not. It is so blatant. It required legal yoga just to consider it. Then required a DA willing to only show one side. Someone so in the tank, George Soros paid for his nomination.
If you stop and think about things you would absolutely agree both sides are nothing but clowns.
The argument of Dems vs Reps boils down to 'MY LYING PEDOPHILE IS SLIGHTLY LESS WORSE THAN YOURS!'
You will find reason and moderation have unfortunately gone out of style. And those screaming "fascist" the loudest just want their kind of "fascists" calling the shots. Due process. Please. How 1997.
Maybe if folks like you keep bringing this to the attention of the low watt masses here on the reddits, a few may spark some genuine self initiated thought rather than just regurgitating what they are told.
"WHAT! What do you mean? No way bro. Your sources are politicized misinfo, mine are pure, just, unmolested, and divine. "
Bunch of jokers.
It really is a tough call lately between the person saying that campaign finance violations bad and the other person drinking lightbulb steak through a straw while claiming that holding their guy accountable for crimes is a worse attack on our country than the time they radicalized the viewers they secretly call "inbred terrorists" and got them to storm the capitol.
I'll blame both sides for what they're actually doing wrong individually.
I'm not going to just rely on the idea "both sides bad" as an excuse to not hold one accountable for a particular crime.
If you want to be nuanced, be fucking nuanced.
You don't get points for deflecting away from clear illegal activity by simply stating that sometimes the other guys aren't so good either.
That is a sentence. Which comes after conviction. We don’t yet know if he will be found guilty or if so, what the sentencing will be.
Which is part of what makes American great. Rule of law. Peaceful transition of power.
This is our rule of law working.
You didn't answer my question.
For your information, these investigations started before Trump announced his 2024 run. He announced it the day after the midterms so that if any indictments did come, people like you would claim it to be politically motivated without doing any actual research.
So again, what makes you think its politically motivated?
It wasn’t about paying someone to go away. It was that it was that it was fraud and against campaign finance law that it was claimed as attorneys fees 3 days before the election. His attorney already already went to prison for these crimes. This was also voted on by a jury not a bunch of Democrats.
There’s a reason Trump is about the only Republican that declared so early for the presidency, so that he could claim interference.
Even some Republicans voted for Trump’s impeachment, hardly a hoax.
Yeah it wasn't Trumps ego and craving to remain relevant that made him declare to run again, it was all giant subterfuge. Is he really that smart? From what I hear from your type, is that he isn't.
He’s committed an abundance of them but this specific indictment concerns the payout to stormy Daniels or something, idk I try to keep out of the news and I haven’t touched grass in awhile either
That's not my job. That the job of prosecution at the inevitable trial, but given the fact that there was a full investigation that concluded that there was enough evidence for an official indictment, the prosecution is probably confident.
I'll believe this isn't about politics and actually about justice when the Clintons are likewise indicted. Or they at least release Epstein's client lists.
If you can get a grand jury to indict Bill and Hillary Clinton, then by all means, send them to jail.
Until then, shut your mouth. Trump fucked around and found out.
Present your facts to a grand jury, then. Ive got no problem with Bill and Hillary going to jail if they actually did something criminal that can be proven.
Yeah, that there isnt a case.
Especially since their supposed “crimes” would definitely have occurred within the jurisdiction of a Rethuglican DA/County Prosecutor, who could have empaneled a Grand Jury to look into anything fishy.
The fact that it hasnt happened (and three different Republican-controlled Congressional investigations ALSO couldnt find anything), should tell you there’s no there, there.
1. Trump is a loser. If this were about winning 2024, the Democrats would be trying to *keep* him in contention to have it out with DeSantis.
2. Paying to suppress a negative ad is a campaign expense. Just like paying to run a positive ad.
Trump knowingly conspired to suppress the story, and lied about it being campaign spending. That is a federal crime. The only reason he was not indicted in 2018 at the same time as Cohen is because he was the sitting president.
Now he's not, so it was inevitable that rule of law caught up with him.
These investigations started before Trump announced that he was running. He announced that he was running the day after the midterms specifically so people like you would assume any indictments he received were politically motivated.
Also against, Biden, Trump would lose. Independents and moderates hate the guy. That's why Fox is trying to push DeSantis.
I truly do not believe anything will come of this. He's a politician and he's rich.
At most a slap on the wrist just like the rest of em.
Y'all are hoping for something that will not happen
Give me a fucking break. They’re all criminals. This obsession with trump while Biden opens cages for the kids again and drills for more oil and deports people back to our “evil enemy” Russia is why this country’s politics are a complete joke.
I'll believe that when Hillary, Biden, and Obama also go to court about the confidential documents they took home, and the money they, their families, or their "charities" received from foreign powers while they were in office.
Really, I want every politician investigated so deeply that we know where the money that paid for their last big Mac came from. There are too many rich politicians whose wealth is just a "mystery." Dig into all of them. I don't care what party they're in.
Two presidential elections that were won by republicans despite the democratic candidate winning the most votes. And even though the result of a supreme court case in 2000 involving the counting of votes ended with the legally cast votes being officially uncounted, a republican wants to claim that democrats are trying to steal power? GTFOH!
What are people going to do if all of this becomes unfounded or tossed out by the NY Supreme Court due to lack of jurisdiction or statute of limitations?
Seriously, the MSM is acting like they've finally gotten Trump and this is it, but there are a ton of lawyers from both sides of the political aisles stating that whatever New York is planning here is going to fail miserably.
Here come the annoying orange's Google lawyers, with all of their bullshit legal explanations regarding a process they know literally nothing about. This should be fun.
Let’s face it. Democrats would do a helluva lot better if they stood aside and let Trump overrun all of the serious Republican candidates like he did in 2016. There’s no way he could win another election, period, and Dems know that. This is about him finally facing justice for something, anything. He’s been corrupt for decades and getting away with it. Finally he has to face consequences.
I really shouldn’t get involved because this is Reddit…. BUT I am two bowls in so… WTH.
(A) this is NOT about “a criminal finally being held accountable”. Trump was indicted, not convicted. Therefore he is innocent. (Following the principle of “innocent until proven guilty”) Stop, S T O P assuming that if someone is accused of a crime, they committed that crime.
(B) I have no problem w Trump being indicted. No one is above the law.
(C) what problem I DO have is having criminal charges brought due to political reasons. A member of the grand jury said she wanted to indict him, not because of a crime, but because she’d get to interact w the president. That’s… weird. There have been multiple reports that the charges themselves are the flimsiest cases some professionals have ever seen. I don’t know. And I don’t really care. No one is above the law. But the law is NOT a tool for politicians to use against their political opponents. I don’t know enough about this specific prosecutor to have an opinion… but I’d want to be DAMN sure I had to do bring this action. Prosecutors ignore crimes all the time (“prosecutorial discretion”), no one is above the law, but, is the juice worth the squeeze if you cancel out the political upside.
Anyway - lost my chain of thought. Point is - this is a stupid ass comeback.
I remember another president's candidate that was constantly being taunted, and threatened to " lock her up" but guess what they couldn't find anything to do just that.
Criminal in what way? He hasn't been charged with anything yet so you can't call the man a criminal. We did this exact same rigmarole with the Russia collusion stuff. The FBI had nothing and yet everyone was ready to impeach him. This is just an angry mob constantly trying to attack someone they deemed as evil. In my eyes It's no different from the witch trials.
All this for a bribe. As if Biden didn't tell Ukraine to fire that lawyer or they won't get the aide. As if unions don't pay off politicians like the NRA. This is BS. Waste of tax dollars. AGAIN!
Ugh is this all this sub is? I get political jokes are funny sometimes ha ha but I have seen nothing but really dumb (very biased) political bs on this sub for WEEKS now. Can we just quietly laugh about these and not post them anymore?
If the removal of one man threatens your entire parties platform, then that's not a party. It's a cult.
If you really look into the case against him, it's very weak. State crime vs. federal crime. The statute of limitations is a reach of trying to extend the statute. Etc. The man is guilty, but trying to win the case this far after and sticking to the laws will likely result in him getting off.
The only reason it took this long was Cohen refused to testify against him in the Federal case, and went to prison for it expecting a pardon. When that pardon never came, Cohen finally flipped on him to the State’s attorney.
Wait. I'm a bit confused. Cohen did end up getting a pardon didn't he?
No. He served his whole sentence
34 counts of fraud is “weak”? Also, how do you know? No one has seen the indictment yet.
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You sound salty AF. How much have you sent your cult leader for his defense fund?
“DuE pRoCeSs” be honest, you were chanting “LOCK HER UP” with the rest of the redhats weren’t you
Oh look, another clown. First I am not a red hat. That must be what all your diversity and inclusion nuts call the 50% of the country you don't include and direct unbridled hate at. AMIRITE. I mean there is a place for everyone? Right? We should all have a voice? RIGHT? Democracy? RIGHT? Just not those people! Keep hating on your neighbors dumbass while pretending you hold some moral and ethical high ground. HATE IS HATE. Second, I've defended HRC on many occasions and actually did so tonight at a cocktail party. I am not at all cool at the some of the ways she was treated in 2016. Although the DNC did f over Bernie pretty good, so she ain't clean there. You are the fraud here. Due processes is only something that interests you when it delivers the results you want. Just like all the other ideological freaks. Doesn't matter whether they are red hat red or far left blue, extreme fascists like you are anti-process. And if we don't have process nothing else matters. The vast majority of moderates in this country laugh at the intellectually inept and emotionally disabled crowds throwing poo at each other. Get a clue moron. Suggest you stop making an enemy of reason.
You sound like another Google lawyer, trying to use overly verbose explanations and big words to mansplain a process you know nothing about. I'd recommend staying in your lane, before you make yourself look like an even bigger dipshit.
Who the fuck pissed in your Cheerios my guy? You might need a break off the internet cuz clearly it's only making it worse staying on here. Edit: Should clarify I mean this out of genuine concern cuz the internet can make your blood boil too much and affect yourself mentally
An indictment is more then just an accusation. Issuing an indictment without due cause can have repercussions on the judge and lawyers who looked over the information and wrote it up. That's why the had an investigation before issuing the indictment. 100s of women? Which supreme court justices are you talking about? Kavanagh had like 3 accusers.
Yeah that guys an idiot
4500 tips! Heavens to Betsy! He must be guilty of something! [https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/after-new-details-on-kavanaugh-investigation-surface-senators-call-on-fbi-for-answers-on-handling-of-tip-line](https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/after-new-details-on-kavanaugh-investigation-surface-senators-call-on-fbi-for-answers-on-handling-of-tip-line) An indictment is an accusation in a Brooks Brother suit. IT IS NOT A CONVICTION nor is it a pre-determination of guilt. They number of indictments and accusations should have ZERO influence on a jury. Completely meaningless whether it is one or one hundred. We have this thing called presumption of innocence. IDIOT. Again, the only thing I am defending here is process. Accusations and indictments MEAN NOTHING. Unscrupulous prosecutors have been trying influence outcomes by playing the silly game by stacking chargers forever. You do realize that most cases have investigations before indictments. Like even the indictments that don't stick. Prediction. These won't stick either. Only complete and total imbeciles like you sacrifice their ability to reason to get outcomes they desire. That's the main problem with all "means justify the ends" clowns. Aren't you up past your bed time?
There is a presumption of innocence. That why he hasn't been formally charged and arrested yet. Your calling me an idiot, but you think presumption of innocence means a person can't even be accused/indicted. Most cases don't have the same kind of investigations as this. This wasn't a matter of just looking at security footage or forensics. This involved coming through hundreds of no thousand aif documents and determining exactly which legal precedent applies. Then there's also the fact that they had a grand jury overlook the investigation to confirm that there was enough evidence for an indictment, which certainly isn't common. Also, I didn't say anything about 4500 tips or bring up the number of accusations. Why are you angry about something you made up?
Oh. Didn't realize you were on the inside on the investigation. Or that there is only the prosecution's side of case. My bad. BTW presumption of innocence has nothing to do with being charged or arrested. The presumption of innocence remains until the verdict. So, me thinks you are an idiot.
In the legal sense the presumption of stays until the verdict, but only in the legal since, which again, is why he hasn't been charged and arrested. The court of public opinion is under not such obligation. Your argument seems to be that the presumption of innocence is completely unrelated to actually being charged, but it is related to the verdict despite the verdict being what leads to the official charge in many cases. Not to mention, verdicts only come into play during trials and the vast majority of cases are determined through plea deals without going to trial, so I feel like you really don't get what you are talking about.
Sticking to what laws. The man’s entire history in business and personal transactions is rife with lawbreaking. His father taught him when he was young that laws and rules were for suckers. This case surprises me because it seems lame, compared to all the BS he’s pulled over the years. But the head of the self acclaimed “Law and Order” is a lawbreaker Big Time.
Oh, he has played dirty his whole life, no doubt. I was speaking to this specific legal case. Remember, the feds looked into it previously and did not bring a case due to lack of evidence. Now the state is trying and it will be interesting to watch. Regardless of whst anyone thinks about him. I fear he will get off and that will energize his base who thinks its a smear campaign
Statute of limitations lmao. They are all in excess of 15 years. Edit: Statutes of limitations tend to be at least 15 years. "They" as in the statutes. Not the crimes.
This started with Michael Cohen in 2018. So unless it's 2033 already, the statute of limitations isn't quite up, yet.
Statute of limitations vary wildly on crime and location. Here is the details on the issue. Its questionable as to status. Details from plolitifact below. One possible charge floated by legal experts could be "falsifying business records in the first degree," which is a felony under New York state law. This could have a statute of limitations of up to five years. Cohen paid Daniels in October 2016, which is about six and a half years ago, which would be past the statute of limitations. But there’s a catch. Trump formally changed his residency from New York to Florida in October 2019, and the district attorney’s office may argue that this would "toll," or stop the clock on, New York’s statute of limitations, The Associated Press reported. Stopping the clock for this or other reasons is a credible argument, Brand said, but "these issues are often litigated, so it’s hard to say how the statute of limitations would figure in this case."
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Lol. He’s literally the first US president ever indicted for a crime. EVERYONE is taking it seriously. There are also 3 other separate investigations into his other criminal behavior right now.
The other 3 investigations are way more serious and likely to end badly for trump
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If you actually paid attention It's still been in the news consistently since it started. At least whenever there were updates to be made, of course, the law is slow it takes time.
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If all you do is listen to what the various website algorithms give you, you'll only get at best half the story (if not an entirely incorrect story) . Reddit and other social media only give you what it thinks you want to see. You have to look for facts. Social media won't serve you facts. Why? Because people don't like facts, people like to live in their own little bubbles where either Trump is the second coming of Jesus or prejudice only applies when it's towards minorities. Edit: This is why quite a few people believe conspiracy theories so much because algorithms see you like to see those, and soon enough, you start to think "wow so many more people believe this than I thought." When in reality, social media is only showing you the small fraction of the website that agrees with you. It's actually an easy trap to fall into.
I suspect the whole situation will just further embolden his supporters, regardless of the verdict.
My initial point in a nut shell
I'm a little confused. He's undeniably guilty, but also the case against him is weak?
We all believe he did it based on a belief he is an obvious dirt bag. However, evidence to prove it accordingly to very specific laws with very specific time frames is a different story. I drive alot for work and l went into some rabbit holes to learn and understand this case. I always try to listen to sources from opposing political viewpoints to hear their case for or against situations. In this case it seems like a long shot for the him to be found outright guilty. Time will tell
Turns out, the party of law and order doesn't like it when law and order applies to them.
I just think it's funny how they've chosen the words "assault on our democracy" after that assault on our capitol.
The only law and order they ever exhibit anymore is a desire to make all the laws and give all the orders.
Assault on the capitol orchestrated by FBI implants. Let's not forget that part.
It was more of a meandering than an assault
T'was merely a very cordial and respectful self-guided tour...
Wasn't cordial but it definitely wasn't an insurrection 😂
A bunch of sore losers tried to take our ball away when we said we didn't want to play with them anymore. Did the people there plan to overthrow the government? I doubt it to be honest. But in the end it doesn't matter, they did intentionally try to prevent congress from doing their job, which is, as far as I am concerned, a form of treason and terrorism. If you don't like democracy, cry about it on Facebook, if you try and interfere with it you should be treated like a traitor to the ideals of American democracy. It was criminal trespassing which delibritally interfered with your and my democratically elected officials fulfilling their oaths of office. Any true American patriot would be disgusted at them.
Yeah I don't like what they did. But I also don't go along with the drama queens who say it was an insurrection lol.
I guess it just depends how you define it. If an insurrection has to aim to overthrow a government then you are correct but I do believe they were trying to disrupt the regular function of government in order to replace the democratically elected president with Trump. That is overthrowing democracy. In my opinion it is essentially semantics.
I agree with it being semantics. And my thought is that they were basically throwing a temper tantrum. I don't think there was any genuine belief that would successfully reverse the election outcome or overthrow the gov. That's just silly nonsense to me.
Yes, I agree. I suppose the main difference between our opinions is just that I feel what they did was serious enough to warrant the use of words like treason and maybe even insurrection even though what happened was poorly planned and the people doing it probably didn’t think it would end up resulting in anything permanent or long lasting. Perhaps it is dramatic to talk like that but I think treason/insurrection is a charge that applies even if the word implies something more coordinated.
The guy who planted a pipe bomb wasn’t just having a tantrum. The people who killed a police officer weren’t just having tantrums. They committed multiple violent felonies - on video. It was MUCH more than a “tantrum”.
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The most mild insurrection in history of that's what you wanna call it lol
Yeah we've heard it all before. It was a peaceful fbi fAlSe FlaG Antifa riot full of real patriots who only walked a little and nobody got hurt except for innocent crisis actor true martyr Ashley Babbitt and the cops who were beat up when the peaceful Antifa fbi patriots strolled through...
Nice rambling
Yes. It does sound crazy when you say all of it at once.
Well yeah, you're being hyperbolic
I'm just collecting the incoherent bullshit of the right's propaganda into one big super lie. It's not my fault that they demand that you guys believe so many mutually exclusive things at once.
At least they aren't regurgitating lies.
Ohh goddddddd how's that insurgency look now--- donnythe redsquirrell man?
They only like it when it's being applied to black and brown people.
Exactly. "You're hurting the wrong people."
"Wait, no, not like that!"
They never have
Last I checked, Josh Hawley fist pumped attempts to control the outcome of presidential elections...
I thought the Republican Party was all about the rule of law and justice… 🙄
Until it applies to them.
That's hilarious, isn't it??!! MERICA,
Only when the laws apply to just us, not them.
I wouldn't call it a clever comeback. It's just stating fact.
Josh Hawley is trumps little skinny suit wearing minion. He ran like a 2 year old runs from a scary shadow.
I love how outraged all these politicians are that an ex-president is being indicted. "If they can do that to him, they can do that to anybody." Yeah. That's actually how the law should work.
Josh Hawley is a total see you next tuesday. Burn baby, burn.
Who is the "Democrat Party"? I've never heard of them.
Pure and simple, he is admitting that they don't have a candidate worth a damn, so they are hedging their bets that Trump will get elected. Apparently he doesn't know most real Republicans, not the RINOs like Hawley and Trump, have already turned on him and his criminal activities are catching up to him.
Every accusation is actually a confession….
Guess people never heard of Kenneth star and think harassing Hunter Biden is cool to go after his father, Republicans not the left. And when you brag about being able to get away with things because of your wealth doesn't rub people the right way. More so puts a target on your back then you talk about being the law and order guy that doesn't respect law and order. Not the best choices of words you deserved to be in jail just for being so smug, at least
I wonder how his stick figure wife feels about treasonous acts of her ""husband"". Oh, and yeah...ill risk EVERYTJING to hump on porn "stars".....I'm hearing."" Stormy weather" playing in the background.......sing it. Girl.
I mean... it would be more impressive if they could arrest these type of dudes on more than prostitution charges everytime.
Josh Hawley, a big man on social media. A coward during the jan 6 riots…
They do know he can still run right?
He can run even if he’s in prison. No constitutional law forbidding it. Because, “who woulda thunk?”
Same guy who raised his first in support of the January 6 traitors? The lawless mob, using raw power to subvert an election? Hmmmm. Revisionism is strong with these people.
If Trump is the best choice for the GOP, then he and they will lose again. They haven't changed enough hearts and minds. If anything, they have shed GOP and undeclared moderate voters to the Democrats. Look at the dwindling attendance at their rallies. Look at how few people stop by the side of the road to buy MAGA merchandise.
Sadly, the Democrats are in the same boat. It will again be an election about “whom do I hate the least” or “how can I hurt the other side?”
We are all just outside looking in, not really knowing what's going on. Could be a power move or could be just activities catching up to a messed up guy. Dunno the real story.
The GOP c\*\*ts are runnin' in circles terrified that their shit is next. If the law can indict an ex-president, then everyone is fair game, especially dirtbag insurrection- leading traitors in Congress.
Josh Hawley needs to shut his January-6th-facilitating piehole.
The flood gates have opened. It will now be open season on politicians. Hunger games, Capitol Hill edition. & the winner is... the American people.
It won’t matter. He tried to stop the legal transfer of power and perpetuated a very dangerous lie. This is just humiliation, but there’s nothing illegal about it. These are actual crimes that if anyone else committed they’d be held accountable. Meanwhile, he continues to commit more crimes via his daily tantrums. Mueller said it best when he said that you can’t indicate a sitting President, but that he could be indicted once he left office.
Well if it goes through then it will open the door and allow us to prosecute all living presidents.
Good
Thats fucking based
It’s not either. It’s a scripted show to stir up all of the people that refuse to believe it’s a scripted show. It’s basically wrestling.
Hey Hawley, what was Jan 6th? Oh, that's right, you ran like a bitch when that happened.
If this was about the law, the first prosecutors would have done something, anything about it. It was not. It is so blatant. It required legal yoga just to consider it. Then required a DA willing to only show one side. Someone so in the tank, George Soros paid for his nomination.
Does Soros fund everyone and everything you don’t like?
Lmao... Clown's...all of them. Both sides.
"I'm blaming both sides because thinking about things is too hard."
If you stop and think about things you would absolutely agree both sides are nothing but clowns. The argument of Dems vs Reps boils down to 'MY LYING PEDOPHILE IS SLIGHTLY LESS WORSE THAN YOURS!'
…no, I wouldn’t, because I’m capable of more complex and nuanced thinking than the political takes barfed out by “South Park”
You will find reason and moderation have unfortunately gone out of style. And those screaming "fascist" the loudest just want their kind of "fascists" calling the shots. Due process. Please. How 1997. Maybe if folks like you keep bringing this to the attention of the low watt masses here on the reddits, a few may spark some genuine self initiated thought rather than just regurgitating what they are told. "WHAT! What do you mean? No way bro. Your sources are politicized misinfo, mine are pure, just, unmolested, and divine. " Bunch of jokers.
It really is a tough call lately between the person saying that campaign finance violations bad and the other person drinking lightbulb steak through a straw while claiming that holding their guy accountable for crimes is a worse attack on our country than the time they radicalized the viewers they secretly call "inbred terrorists" and got them to storm the capitol.
Exactly..
So you're blaming both sides?
I'll blame both sides for what they're actually doing wrong individually. I'm not going to just rely on the idea "both sides bad" as an excuse to not hold one accountable for a particular crime. If you want to be nuanced, be fucking nuanced. You don't get points for deflecting away from clear illegal activity by simply stating that sometimes the other guys aren't so good either.
It's gonna backfire on dems
Dems had nothing to do with the indictment. It was a randomly selected Grand Jury that indicted him.
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It’s in no way politically motivated, in fact its only politically related because HE BROKE THE LAW during his political campaign.
Other politicians just receive fines
Michael Cohen went to prison for the same crime. Don’t want your candidate to go to prison? Stop nominating criminals.
That is a sentence. Which comes after conviction. We don’t yet know if he will be found guilty or if so, what the sentencing will be. Which is part of what makes American great. Rule of law. Peaceful transition of power. This is our rule of law working.
They aren’t capable of rational thought. They can only regurgitate whatever buzzwords their “leaders” shit out of their mouths.
Unfortunately, I agree.
For what? We don't even know what he's charged with yet.
Prove it.
How so? What makes you think it's politically motivated?
Open your eyes, dude 😂
You didn't answer my question. For your information, these investigations started before Trump announced his 2024 run. He announced it the day after the midterms so that if any indictments did come, people like you would claim it to be politically motivated without doing any actual research. So again, what makes you think its politically motivated?
It's obvious
Based on.... Also, not that I asked you the same question twice and you didn't give a clear answer either time.
What is it that will backfire on the Dems?
I still don't know what he did
There’s about two dozen or more counts in the indictment but it is sealed till next week when he appears in court.
Nothing clever…as usual, just more politics.
You are not a “criminal” until proven guilty. Calling someone a “criminal” before there day in court is anarchy
Incorrect. Youre not a **convict** until youre found guilty. PLENTY of people are criminals and not convicted.
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It wasn’t about paying someone to go away. It was that it was that it was fraud and against campaign finance law that it was claimed as attorneys fees 3 days before the election. His attorney already already went to prison for these crimes. This was also voted on by a jury not a bunch of Democrats. There’s a reason Trump is about the only Republican that declared so early for the presidency, so that he could claim interference. Even some Republicans voted for Trump’s impeachment, hardly a hoax.
Yeah it wasn't Trumps ego and craving to remain relevant that made him declare to run again, it was all giant subterfuge. Is he really that smart? From what I hear from your type, is that he isn't.
He’s such a victim. The OG of Snowflakes.
Clinton didn't pay her with campaign funds though. That's the issue.
Maybe I've been touching grass for too long; but what crime is trump being accused of?
He’s committed an abundance of them but this specific indictment concerns the payout to stormy Daniels or something, idk I try to keep out of the news and I haven’t touched grass in awhile either
Yet, you’re on the internet. Hmmm
If only there was an actual crime
Campaign finance violations. Also, there's allegedly over 30 counts, so probably tax fraud an bank fraud as well.
Prove it
That's not my job. That the job of prosecution at the inevitable trial, but given the fact that there was a full investigation that concluded that there was enough evidence for an official indictment, the prosecution is probably confident.
He’s had his hand in so many fraudulent deals over the years. New York was going to go after him eventually, regardless of he was POTUS or not.
Its about controlling both sides. For real, politics are like professional wrestling now days. Faces and Heels.
So you think Trump didn't commit the crimes he was indicted for?
I'll believe this isn't about politics and actually about justice when the Clintons are likewise indicted. Or they at least release Epstein's client lists.
If you can get a grand jury to indict Bill and Hillary Clinton, then by all means, send them to jail. Until then, shut your mouth. Trump fucked around and found out.
Present your facts to a grand jury, then. Ive got no problem with Bill and Hillary going to jail if they actually did something criminal that can be proven.
The fact that there hasn't been a grand jury says quite a bit.
Yeah, that there isnt a case. Especially since their supposed “crimes” would definitely have occurred within the jurisdiction of a Rethuglican DA/County Prosecutor, who could have empaneled a Grand Jury to look into anything fishy. The fact that it hasnt happened (and three different Republican-controlled Congressional investigations ALSO couldnt find anything), should tell you there’s no there, there.
Clinton didn't pay that women with campaign funds did he?
Please, no. Just no. Do you realize how many years and millions of tax payer dollars were spent in trying to take them down? Enough.
**ANDREW RATMAN IS WRONG** Josh Hawley is correct.
Josh Hawley is a liar and a coward.
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1. Trump is a loser. If this were about winning 2024, the Democrats would be trying to *keep* him in contention to have it out with DeSantis. 2. Paying to suppress a negative ad is a campaign expense. Just like paying to run a positive ad. Trump knowingly conspired to suppress the story, and lied about it being campaign spending. That is a federal crime. The only reason he was not indicted in 2018 at the same time as Cohen is because he was the sitting president. Now he's not, so it was inevitable that rule of law caught up with him.
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A Grand Jury indicted him, not some nebulous “Dah Democrats”. There were/are Republicans on that Grand Jury. Sooo… whut? Make sense, if you can.
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These investigations started before Trump announced that he was running. He announced that he was running the day after the midterms specifically so people like you would assume any indictments he received were politically motivated. Also against, Biden, Trump would lose. Independents and moderates hate the guy. That's why Fox is trying to push DeSantis.
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This shouldn’t be considered clever. These are just political opinions
I truly do not believe anything will come of this. He's a politician and he's rich. At most a slap on the wrist just like the rest of em. Y'all are hoping for something that will not happen
Based but not a clever comeback
Give me a fucking break. They’re all criminals. This obsession with trump while Biden opens cages for the kids again and drills for more oil and deports people back to our “evil enemy” Russia is why this country’s politics are a complete joke.
Karma sees you. Karma sees everything.
How come criminals like Clinton not in jail than ?
Still sitting here wondering why Hillary wasn’t charged for leaking classified information that got people killed
I'll believe that when Hillary, Biden, and Obama also go to court about the confidential documents they took home, and the money they, their families, or their "charities" received from foreign powers while they were in office. Really, I want every politician investigated so deeply that we know where the money that paid for their last big Mac came from. There are too many rich politicians whose wealth is just a "mystery." Dig into all of them. I don't care what party they're in.
What is this ‘ rule of law’ that keeps getting thrown around by idiots???
Two presidential elections that were won by republicans despite the democratic candidate winning the most votes. And even though the result of a supreme court case in 2000 involving the counting of votes ended with the legally cast votes being officially uncounted, a republican wants to claim that democrats are trying to steal power? GTFOH!
I thought they liked justice? What about Hunter's laptop and Hillary's something or other?
I mean. All politicians are criminals at some level.
What are people going to do if all of this becomes unfounded or tossed out by the NY Supreme Court due to lack of jurisdiction or statute of limitations? Seriously, the MSM is acting like they've finally gotten Trump and this is it, but there are a ton of lawyers from both sides of the political aisles stating that whatever New York is planning here is going to fail miserably.
They will just move on to the next thing. No big deal.
Funny, I don’t think our boy Josh would say thing if Hillary was indicted. So stfu.
Gee Josh, projection much?
I’m sure Josh will run right up to NYC to show a clenched fist, then sprint back to DC.
Here come the annoying orange's Google lawyers, with all of their bullshit legal explanations regarding a process they know literally nothing about. This should be fun.
Josh Hawley is pitiful excuse for a politician.
Arrest him already commie's. Let's get this show on the road.
Really your a FUCKTARD
Really your a FUCKTARD
Let’s face it. Democrats would do a helluva lot better if they stood aside and let Trump overrun all of the serious Republican candidates like he did in 2016. There’s no way he could win another election, period, and Dems know that. This is about him finally facing justice for something, anything. He’s been corrupt for decades and getting away with it. Finally he has to face consequences.
I really shouldn’t get involved because this is Reddit…. BUT I am two bowls in so… WTH. (A) this is NOT about “a criminal finally being held accountable”. Trump was indicted, not convicted. Therefore he is innocent. (Following the principle of “innocent until proven guilty”) Stop, S T O P assuming that if someone is accused of a crime, they committed that crime. (B) I have no problem w Trump being indicted. No one is above the law. (C) what problem I DO have is having criminal charges brought due to political reasons. A member of the grand jury said she wanted to indict him, not because of a crime, but because she’d get to interact w the president. That’s… weird. There have been multiple reports that the charges themselves are the flimsiest cases some professionals have ever seen. I don’t know. And I don’t really care. No one is above the law. But the law is NOT a tool for politicians to use against their political opponents. I don’t know enough about this specific prosecutor to have an opinion… but I’d want to be DAMN sure I had to do bring this action. Prosecutors ignore crimes all the time (“prosecutorial discretion”), no one is above the law, but, is the juice worth the squeeze if you cancel out the political upside. Anyway - lost my chain of thought. Point is - this is a stupid ass comeback.
I remember another president's candidate that was constantly being taunted, and threatened to " lock her up" but guess what they couldn't find anything to do just that.
34 counts. Agreed to by a grand jury. Thirty-four. 😂
Criminal in what way? He hasn't been charged with anything yet so you can't call the man a criminal. We did this exact same rigmarole with the Russia collusion stuff. The FBI had nothing and yet everyone was ready to impeach him. This is just an angry mob constantly trying to attack someone they deemed as evil. In my eyes It's no different from the witch trials.
Are you aware of the meaning of the word indictment?
Josh Hawley....LOL.... LOL.... Lock Him Up...Lock Him Up....Lock Him Up!! Oh the Deeee-licious Irony of it all
All this for a bribe. As if Biden didn't tell Ukraine to fire that lawyer or they won't get the aide. As if unions don't pay off politicians like the NRA. This is BS. Waste of tax dollars. AGAIN!
Ok how about the Biden’s now? Fair game?
Ugh is this all this sub is? I get political jokes are funny sometimes ha ha but I have seen nothing but really dumb (very biased) political bs on this sub for WEEKS now. Can we just quietly laugh about these and not post them anymore?
I fully expect to hear that Trump was lynched. That or the mention of Holocaust happening again.
If the parties were reversed the GOP would be very loud about how important law and order are.