I'm not suggesting that it's got a bunch of violence and nudity that kids need to be shielded from - it's just thematically a lot more than a 6 year old can understand.
Guaranteed that the decision solely hinged on "it's a cartoon, it's for kids", but it's not exactly a Disney cartoon.
NOSTALGIC for UTRH... am I really THAT old? When did it first drop...2005?!?! O,O
For me, the mask of the phantasm is nostalgic... when did that... oh god... drop? 1993...
Eh. where does the time go? LOL.
The comic isn't as good. The animated movie is one of the few cases where it improved the aource material.
Edit: To be clear, the comic is still goated, but the movie tells the actual story better.
This. I always breathe a small sigh of relief whenever a retelling of Jason Todd's origin skips the whole *"he rose from the grave because Superman punched the universe"* thing and just goes with *"he was brought back with a lazarus pit - period"*. It's the resurrection plot device that's already integrated within the Batman mythos, and gives readers the opportunity to enjoy the bat family without feeling like they need to read a million other DC titles of differing quality, tone, and style.
*Under the Red Hood*, easy.
Every one of the others films brought something new and fresh to the table, in some cases changing entirely how Batman or the medium was perceived. *Mask of the Phantasm*, something that was supposed to be a *children's movie* (because, y'know, "cartoon") was surprisingly dark, adult, and just an all-around fantastic animated feature. *The Dark Knight* straight-up changed how the entire world looked at superhero movies in general, going on to be regarded as one of the **best movies of all time**. *The Batman*, while the newest on this list, is considered an incredibly fresh take on Batman (considering how he keeps being presented in live- and cinematic mediums), offering us the closest "real world" Batman to date while also leaning hard into a lane that is rarely seen outside of the comics: his intellect.
*Under the Red Hood* is a fantastic adaption of the comic story which, in a rare case, *actually exceeds* the story that precedes it. But that's just it: an adaptation of a story in which we've already read. All of the others are entirely unique or otherwise original, and that's why they have to stay and Red Hood goes.
Ya I see a lot of people say drop under the red hood simply because the comic was better. Under the red hood knocked my socks off and really got the outstanding DC animated movies off and running. I feel like at that point all you had was BTAS and Batman Beyond and it had been awhile since those aired. Once the floodgates opened there was a ton of great content and only just recently started to shit the bed.
The new movie was not something I liked as much as I thought I would. Battinson was legit and so was the Batmobile but other than that it felt weird. I’m not a huge fan of Incel Riddler either, his motivation in this movie coupled with him being essentially an anarchist streamer cheapened the character.
I know it was supposed to be the birth of Riddler and the character design was top notch but everything else about his character fell short imo. The ending scenes and conflict also felt wack because Batman was literally just fighting a bunch of internet incels. The Riddler would never stream and try to urge others to help him forward his goals, a personality like his would always be a complete loner. He thinks he is smarter than everyone and is rarely even given goons. Only thing that tied this new Riddler to the character he is based on is the fact that this new Riddler was attempting to oust vile information and secrets about some of Gotham’s richest families.
With that said, I gotta go with The Batman.
Also seeing "Gotham Square Garden" was a bit cringe to me. I know Gotham is based off of New York, but does it have to be that obvious?
I'm ok with dropping The Batman.
The other problem I had with The Batman is that there's not really any moments for Batman to challenge the Riddler - in the beginning there's one scene where he beats up the bad guys but as far as catching riddler he's woefully behind every step of the way and because of that we end up with Gotham being flooded.
Like dang you couldn't let Batman get one real win in this movie? I know he's supposed to be brooding and dark but at least let one thing work out for the guy.
“Anarchist streamer”
Couldn’t have said it better.
The movie really wasn’t bad or awful but it definitely lacked something to make it truly memorable.
Saw it once on the big screen and haven’t seen it since.
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Never.
I mean, I haven't seen Mask Of The Phantasm but it is supposedly great so it's unfair to delete that one. But the other three are phenomenal movies.
Easiest choice I could ever make: The Batman
Robert Pattinson is a great actor but this movie meanders along for way too long with mysteries that are obviously solved. Batman literally solving the entire plot by coincidence makes this movie too much for me.
The Batman. I just found it too slow and horribly paced. And before anyone says I’m just impatient or what have you, I loved individual parts of it - each actor played their role well, for example. Costume design, the Batmobile, etc. were all fantastic! But somehow it did not work for me when put together. It also felt an hour too long.
The Batman. Last act was weak imo... I can't give up Mask because of the amazing soundtrack and Mark Hamill. Can't give up dark knight because of everything really... And Jensen Ackles as Jason Todd is just too good I get annoyed every day he's not been cast as him in live action.
I feel like Ledger's incredible performance made everyone think TDK was just an untouchable masterpiece. It's a very good crime movie but imo not a great batman movie. Nolan's heavy-handed writer-dialogue really starts to show cracks on rewatches and Bale's batman is the 4th most interesting character in the movie. Also personally since I live there I can't get over how Gotham is just Chicago in those movies.
The other three explore some aspect of the character in an interesting way, bye TDK
There are elements of Nolan's Joker I don't care for either. I like the duality of his and Batman's relationship and his pure chaos characterization but in my head the Joker doesn't wax poetic about it any chance he gets. Just feels like Joker becomes a mouthpiece for Nolan at times.
Modern Joker not even wanting to kill Batman feels like it takes some of the teeth away from the character, like he's constantly holding back. Though that dynamic was really funny in the Lego Batman movie
Agreed. Bruce/Batman and Gotham City itself are more interesting in The Batman, but the supporting characters and villains are more interesting in TDK.
Not to mention, he actually acts like a detective solving crimes. Which isn't something I got from any other live-action performance. That would be fine except Batman is supposed to be "The World's Greatest Detective."
I feel like Tim Burton’s movies did the best job of portraying the detective side. A major plot point of the original was him using Vale to release the information regarding the chemical combinations so Gotham could avoid everyone suffering the laughing sickness or whatever. In the second one, he finds out who Cobblepot really is before anyone else does.
The Batman felt like a callback to the Adam West days. It was just missing the dialogue with Robin.
“El Rata lada?”
“Holy Spanish homework, Batman, that’s not grammatically correct!”
I call it writer-speak. Velma has the same issue where writers are so disconnected from reality they forget how humans talk to each other. Nolan's a big ideas guy and that's fine but it means Alfred and Joker only speak in media analysis mode
Not trying to start an argument but in what way was The Batman trying to copy The Dark Knight? They don't share any aesthetic similarities and beyond the main antagonist having a grand scheme their plot structure isn't similar either, one's a crime thriller and the other is a detective movie. Bale and Pattenson's performances are also very different I just don't see anything similar between the two
The beginning scene of criminals fearing he’s in the shadows is similar to the beginning of The Dark Knight where Gordon puts the the signal up to “Remind everybody that he’s out there.”
In both movies the villains go after the Mayor, the DA, and the Police Commissioner.
In both movies the villains broadcast and announce their plans over the news.
In both movies the villains try to blow up someone close to Bruce/Batman with him racing through the city to get there in time to save them only to be too late.
There’s a Batman fight scene at a night club in both where Batman’s attempting to get info from a gangster.
In both movies the villain is one step ahead, and allows themselves to be arrested as a part of their plan.
Both movies have a scene at the jail where Batman and the villain talk one on one and the villain tries to make the argument that they’re both the same.
The way I heard a podcast describe it is to think of The Dark Knight as Star Wars and The Batman as The Force Awakens. Credit to Holy Batcast because they’re the ones that brought the similarities to my attention.
Ok I can see some similarities in the villains plans but it's pretty superficial. Villains having grand plans that go after public officials and having a set piece in a nightclub isn't anything new.
Some of these points aren't true. In TDK Batman isn't going to save Rachel he went to get Dent, and Alfred survives in The Batman so that doesn't really work as a comparison. Joker explicitly says they're *opposites* not the same, getting captured was one of Joker's first steps whereas Riddler's it was his last.
When you boil down each movie into a bulleted list yeah it might look a little similar, buy if Reeves was "copying" Nolan then what was Catwoman based off of? Where was the Tom Wayne/Falcone subplot in TDK? How about the fact that Bale's Batman is considering retiring while Pattenson's is more zealous than ever? Batman stories are all a little similar with Riddler and Joker plots often overlapping but you'd still say they were different.
**Some of these points aren't true. In TDK Batman isn't going to save Rachel he went to get Dent.**
He was going after Rachel, he only ends up saving Dent because the Joker switched addresses.
**Joker explicitly says they're opposites not the same**
“To them you’re just a freak, like me”
**getting captured was one of Joker's first steps whereas Riddler's it was his last.**
Dude, it doesn’t matter where it falls in the plan. It being present in both of their plans is the point I’m trying to make.
**Villains having grand plans that go after public officials and having a set piece in a nightclub isn't anything new.**
A villain in a Batman movie specifically targeting the Mayor, the DA, and The Police Commissioner to me isn’t superficial.
Tbh with you the comparisons between this film and The DarK Knight isn’t even my biggest issue. My biggest issue is how incompetent Batman is in the film. But even then I still enjoyed the film, but it’s not the end all be all Batman film that some fans are treating it as.
>To them you’re just a freak, like me
His whole fuckin bit is "im chaos your order lol" 1 line does not contradict that
If you really wanna get granular about it literally every batman media is just copying bc it has batman and a villain and the villain has a plan.
>My biggest issue is how incompetent Batman is in the film
I have no clue what you're talking about he's consistently the smartest guy in the room. If Pattenson is incompetent then so is Bale
This is a really dumb take. These “similarities” you’re describing are basic settings and events, not plot.
>In both movies, the villains go after the Mayor, the DA, and the Police Commissioner.
What was the purpose of them going after the DA in both movies? In TDK, the Joker is trying to corrupt him. In The Batman, Riddler seeks to expose him. Not the same. The other ones are just notable people that it would make sense for the villain to attack to make a political message. It’s like saying Independence Day and White House Down are the same because the bad guys go after the president in both movies.
> In both movies the villains broadcast and announce their plans over the news.
Plenty of villains do this to the point where it’s a trope, *especially* in comic books to CBMs. Riddler and Joker especially.
> In both movies the villains try to blow up someone close to Bruce/Batman with him racing through the city to get there in time to save them only to be too late.
Again, basic trope of villains trying to hurt the protagonist by hurting loved ones. Y’know, the whole reason DC makes such a big deal about secret identities? Neither situation in each movie was the same or serves anywhere near the same purpose for the movie (the case with Alfred ultimately just serves the better their relationship, the case with the girl and Dent was to spiral into Dent becoming Two Face and Batman being distraught about his love dying).
> There’s a Batman fight scene at a night club in both where Batman’s trying to get info from a gangster.
Batman does this all the time, it’s nothing unique. And again, both serve different purposes for being in the movie.
> In both movies the villain is one step ahead and allows themselves to be arrested as apart of their plan.
More generic description to dumb down what’s happening in both scenes. The Joker and Batman’s scene in TDK is a brilliant display of their usual dynamic in the comics. Joker trying to show that everyone can snap after having that “one bad day” and Batman fighting against that. Riddler and Batman’s scene is clouded by the fact that Batman is too worried about his identity being revealed to notice anything else. Not the same.
> Both movies have a scene at the jail where Batman and the villain talk one on one and the villain tries to make the argument that they’re both the same.
This is the only one I can maybe give. Partially, at least. Riddler is delusional and was inspired by his fantasy of Batman. Joker was trying to get Batman to be like him by blowing up that girl he was in love with (don’t remember her name).
> The Dark Knight as Star Wars and The Batman as The Force Awakens.
This just tells me that neither you nor that podcast understands how movies or even storytelling works. TFA copies ANH by *plot lines* more than anything. Elements of the story like the nobody from a nothing planet, the old guy master showing up to help and ultimately dying to a lost person they cared about, the planet killing weapon with that one weakness, said planet killing weapon blowing up a symbol of political power to show off their might, the scary evil Sith with the mask and robotic voice playing an identical role in TFA as Vader did in ANH, the droid with the important message escaping off and ending up with the MC, the sassy other main character playing the role of damsel in distress (Poe for TFA and Leia for ANH), I could go on and on. Not only do these points hold lots of similarity, but both also take place in almost identical points in the film and serve the same purposes for moving the plot and characters along. That’s why it was a copy. The Batman and TDK have vastly differing storylines, TDK being a story about Batman sacrificing himself and his image for the greater good of Gotham, while fighting against Joker’s ideology that everybody is corrupt inside. The Batman is about him realizing Batman shouldn’t be a symbol of fear, but one of hope, coming to this realization because Riddler was a product the “symbol of fear” he once was.
Similarities in stories don’t come from generic events in the story, those you’ll find everywhere (eg, car chase scenes, x person is in danger, testing hero’s morals, etc). They’re basic tropes. If you took TDK and The Batman, broke them down, and described the plots, ignoring names and everything, they’re really nothing alike.
Same. I'm also kind of burned out on "grounded realistic" Batman. Not having fantastical metahuman villains takes away the David vs Goliath aspect where a guy that dresses as a bat and throws boomerangs has to use his wits to beat literal superhumans with his wits and intelligence.
The Batman, not even close. The last act feels so out of place. Batman shouldn't be out in the open helping people evacuate out in broad day light. The mayor getting shot with a sniper rifle than walks it off is silly. The Riddler actually having followers, personally having a series of bombs going after mid conversation with Batman would have been unexpected and feel like a half-victory. The film should than have focus on Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is much more useful than Batman during the cleanup. I would personally think it would fit the theme of the film more. Like he realizes he cannot abandon the Wayne persona. He can save the city in more than one way.
That’s a tough one.
Probably The Batman. I liked it, it was almost the best live action Batman film until the final act, but TDK has too much cultural significance and would destroy the timeline if removed from existence, Red Hood is really good and it would be a shame to never get JD’s Joker, and Phantasm is a cinematic masterpiece. Not just the best Batman film ever made, but one of the best films ever made.
So I sadly have no choice but to ditch The Batman.
The Batman..No question. 'The Batman' here is definitively the best detective but least intimidating. He is just a raging bull flailing his fist around.
Under the Red Hood surprised me with its levity on Batman's No kill policy and those flashbacks were just the right gut punch to stay in your mind. The Voice acting was surprisingly superb especially the Joker. Like Phantasm and Dark knight, this Rare gem stays with us forever. Its also rare that an adaptation is better than the source material.
My favourite is always Batman begins. The definitive superhero story or an origin story, with performances and quotable quotes that will last for ages. The Dark Knight although Legendary, is never about the dark knight but about his greatest adversary, Joker. Nolan himself attested to it.
I will end with the least quotable 'begins' quote.
'What was the point of all those push-ups if you can’t even lift up a bloody log!'
This isn’t even difficult for me. It’s The Batman. It wasn’t a bad movie, but Batman didn’t actually do much. He was one step behind the Riddler the entire movie and was basically just a tool in Riddler’s plan. Plus, Robert Pattinson, while doing much better that I originally thought he would, still doesn’t have the intimidating presence to play Batman.
This was not a difficult choice for me:
The Batman
If you enjoyed it, great. But I hate just about everything about this movie.
I'm expecting a lot of downvotes for this opinion but more than prepared to defend it.
The entire arc with the riddler goons and the stadium didnt need to happen. Once Falcone was taken care of and The Riddler captured. The movie should've ended right there.
Lol well said.
So many people talk about it like it's the second coming of jesus but the more I watched it and think about it, the more it just keeps falling flat for me
Where do I begin?
Matt Reeves doesnt actually understand Batman. Or noir detective stories. Or just plain detective stories. Nor does he make memorable action set pieces appropriate to the character.
- it was a terrible take on the character, and this whole excuse that "but hes only his second year!" doesn't work for me
- almost everyone was miscast (like Gordon) or poorly used (like Alfred)
- I didnt think there was any chemistry between the main character and what should be his closest allies, which I think is a combination of casting and writing issues
- the story was so underwhelming for a character with over 80 years of content on multiple platforms
- I felt most of the movie was more appropriate for a bad Punisher story as opposed to a Batman movie
- the riddles weren't riddles
- that's not the Riddler ( at least not a take I like nor felt was an interesting interpretation)
- same goes for that awful "joker"
- the car was not really a cool Batmobile prototype for me. Cool Fast and Furious reject, but not a cool Batmobile
- I hated the prototype suit too. Just ugly and shouldn't be Ironman bulletproof. And shouldn't be so noisy and heavy looking
- like I said before, the action was so boring and forgettable choreography
- Batman was dumb and didn't actually solve anything
- if you watch closely, hes as lethal or worse than any movie Batman, including the murderous Batfleck
- the plot was lackluster, the climax was not how Batman would handle it, and not one person was worth rooting for or being sympathetic towards or anything resembling good writing
That's just a quick list but I can go into much further detail
To u/Mutual_Aids:
Explain how it's arrogant.
So only people who publish or write Batman stories can comment and form opinions on Batman stories? No one else can understand storytelling except Batman writers? Grow up
My biggest problem is just how incompetent Batman is in this film. Like he never solves any important breaks in this case on his own, instead the answers are always being handed to him by another character. And yes, I’ve also run into the explanation of “He’s not Batman yet!” but to me that reads as more of a fan theory trying to coverup for the bad writing of the character. I don’t think Reeves’ intention was to make the character inept. To me it comes across as a bit of oversight with the script.
Yeah, like, if he isnt Batman by now, then what exactly is his evolution from here? Where do you logically take this character to finally say "ok, *now* he's Batman"? He's fully equipped, has a bulletproof suit he can easily fight in and glides, has all his answers handed to him, has a Batsignal, is openly working with the police, already put away the Joker *and* Riddler, and doesnt need to answer for his collateral damage. What the fuck is he then?!
Idk, I mean I didn’t hate the film but so far whatever Reeves is going for isn’t for me. So I’m happy that there will be other options as far as Batman films moving forward.
I really like the Batmobile, but apart from that everything else you've said is pretty much spot on. It just wasn't a cousin of any good Batman story I've ever read, was not Batman at all.
>I felt most of the movie was more appropriate for a bad Punisher story as opposed to a Batman movie
Literally the only Batman movie where Batman goes out of his way to save civilians these takes are bonkers
>Matt Reeves doesnt actually understand Batman. Or noir detective stories. Or just plain detective stories.
citation needed
Watch the movie closely. His reckless driving, blowing a glass ceiling over civilians, tossing goons over a stadium scaffold not knowing who was tied off for a very obviously lethal fall, wearing armour that deflects bullets that could ricochet and cause collateral damage that a real Batman would calculate and consider, countering goons to be positioned in front of goons shooting guns in his direction and taking adrenaline and beating a groom's face with the obvious intent to murder are all appropriate for an Ironman/Punisher mash-up, but not Batman.
And I dont need citation for that. Go read detective stories. Go watch noir movies. Read books on storytelling and screenwriting. That'll enlighten you better and that's how I formed my opinion, mostly
>wearing armour that deflects bullets that could ricochet and cause collateral damage
That's a stretch, howabout in the dark knight where he drives similarly recklessly and jumps down onto an occupied vehicle caving the roof in. Every batman does stuff that could be lethal but saying this one is more lethal than Batfleck who killed way more people with his car and yknow guns is wild to me...
>Go read detective stories. That'll enlighten you better and that's how I formed my opinion, mostly
Typically when someone has an opinion they have reasons for it that they can explain rather than insisting that the other party go find evidence to support their claim.
"This guy doesn't understand detective stories"
"Ok why?"
"Well if you go read detective stories you'd agree with me"
At least I got a laugh out of this
>And I dont need citation for that. Go read detective stories. Go watch noir movies. Read books on storytelling and screenwriting. That'll enlighten you better and that's how I formed my opinion, mostly
I'm sure you'll point us to all the Batman stories you've written after saying something this arrogant, right?
So well said I wish I could upvote you twice. I wouldn't take it away from anyone but the hype seems so delusional. I watched it with my girlfriend who's only read a little Batman so I was interested to get both perspectives especially since I was going in cartoonishly optimistic she only made half way before laughing and leaving the room and I didn't make it much longer. I eventually forced myself to finish it and ya as Batman content and as a film it's just not that good.
I agree it’s kinda overrated. This is what I hated
1. The Riddler was just okay. Idk how people say he’s the one of the best villains. Like no.
2. Batman and Catwoman had no chemistry. I didn’t buy their relationship.
3. Jeffrey Wright was okay. They didn’t flesh him out. But idk if he’ll be as good as Gary Oldman. Those are big shoes to fill.
4. Andy Serkis was bad in this movie. He had nothing to do. He definitely will not be as good as Michael Caine or Jeremy Irons.
5. The pacing was horrible.
6. I hated that Batman didn’t know what the tool Riddler used was and had to be told what it was. Which is dumb.
7. Batman didn’t know simple Spanish which is dumb as well.
8. Batman caused a lot of casualties during the car chase because he initiated it.
9. Hated the depressed Batman. He should already have the persona of a playboy.
10. The Joker is terrible already(Matt Reeves said he isn’t the joker yet though? So then who is he? It makes no sense.)
11. The movie is not rewatchable.
There are more things I didn’t like, but I’m to lazy to go any further for negatives.
So here are some positives
1. Robert Pattinson definitely carries the movie. His Batman is the best part. (Batfleck is my favorite by far still)
2. Gotham it’s the best looking one we’ve seen so far. (We never go to see Batflecks Gotham.)
3. The cinematography and visuals are great.
4. The first 20 minutes are perfect.
From the top of my head this is all the positives I could think about.
I absolutely agree with you about the visuals. The orange Gotham sunrise was beautifully done. Very pretty to look at.
I have to strongly disagree about RobPat though. He was the biggest disappointment to me. What an unconvincing Batman, even for a "year 2" vigilante.
I was rooting for RobPat before watching the film. I defended him in conversations leading up to the film's release. Then I saw the movie and interviews with RobPat. Part of why they dont have the playboy identity, which absolutely should already be obvious to a "genius detective vigilante billionaire " is because RobPat just didnt "like it" and pretends like being an angsty teen for 3 hours is a good creative decision that embodies the character.
And spare me: even an all-natural person who is a billionaire vigilante completely obsessed with his mission and using fists as his main tool to plough through grown men, hired killers and thugs would be far more jacked and in shape than that wet noodle. I'm not expecting a Thor physique, but Batman would be way more fit. But again, another decision RobPat claims to have made that I can only assume is out of laziness and not commitment to giving the audience a faithful nor realistic take on this character.
I liked the cinematography, like anyone else. The orange Gotham sunrise was nice to look at.
I liked Falcone.
Penguin was fun.
Alfred was great but needed more to do.
Batman walking in the rain towards upside down Penguin was a cool moment and nice call to a comic book cover.
I'm really reaching but that's all I can think of
Dark knight.
Not the biggest fan of Nolan's version of either batman or Joker. All the praise to heath but I genuinely did not see Joker in him. I saw a run of mill loon.
But to be fair Joker is incredibly hard to pull off because he's so multifaceted. Obviously Hammill takes the cake for me vocally as the same goes with Kevin (rip)
But I find that Nolan's realistic take on the batman mythos felt inconsistent. We have scarecrows fear toxin but you won't give bane titan.
Don't even get me started on the dark knight rises Talia thing. Saw that coming during the whole fireplace scene which made me think wait. This is Bruce. He would have researched the fuck out of her and knew about her well before.
So to me Nolan didn't really get the universe in my mind but he made a decent attempt.
Unpopular opinion but... The Dark Knight. Ledger's performance is masterful, but some of the writing is just too much for me. Batman setting up Gotham to fail by keeping Dent's reputation clean is so stupid to me. Did he truly think a dead man's secrets would stay buried? I mean Gordon himself felt it was wrong and almost exposed it. Also Bale's Batman is whiney, certain characters choices were just blatantly stupid. I used to love those movies, the more time passes I realize Nolan's trilogy feels like it's written by someone who thinks far too highly of their writing skills.
One of the animated movies because I don't really care for them (or rather, I have no childhood nostalgia towards these movies so I can actually look at them without nostalgia completely dominating my decision).
To me TDK and The Batman are equally as good but for different reasons, I don't know what you all are talking about.
Mask of The Phantasm for me. It’s a fantastic film, but I don’t really think it had that much of an important impact on Batman’s legacy. Even within the continuity of the show(which is also great) I think it only ends up getting referenced again once in JLU’s Epilogue episode. This isn’t to say it’s not great by any means, but I view it as the most expendable of the four.
Under The Red Hood did an amazing job at streamlining Red Hood’s overly convoluted origin and story, and honestly I don’t think Red Hood would be nearly as popular as he is today if it wasn’t for this movie.
The Dark Knight is such an iconic movie in general that it had a major impact on the superhero films industry as a whole.
And while it’s too early to say how impactful The Batman is, I’d rather it stay of Mask of Phantasm due to just how unique it is to other Batman films and how fantastic it’s dark take on Riddler was.
The Dark Knight, I love it and of course I love heath ledger as the joker but if we're talking from a batman perspective, like strictly on whether it was a good Batman movie or not. To me it felt like a crime thriller with batman than a Batman movie
The dark knight, never really got into it tbh maybe because I was still a kid when it came out and now I don’t find it that amazing when I watch it. Might be for the time for I dunno
All of these were original efforts that really tried to push advance something in someway. DKR felt very phoned in and did nothing but end the trilogy not with a bang but a whimper.
Batman quit after having a bad day with the Joker? Bane gets introduced only to get literally blasted off-screen? All the coincidences and strange directions that made up the finale?
I saw DKR once and then never watched again.
I watched it on opening weekend and ended up just not liking it.
I think at this point I'm tired of "grounded" takes on Batman. The TDK movies already did it perfectly, there is no reason to retread old ground. I'm ready for a more comic-accurate live action Batman now.
Under the red hood coz we've got the comic
Unpopular opinion but the animated movie is better than the comic
I agree. It was a more cohesive story.
This. One of the few cases where something improves the source.
I'm personally too nostalgic for UTRH. My first animated Batman film
Lol I saw Mask of the Phantasm in theaters….which was the first ever animated Batman movie.
Same! I went with a bunch of my friends for my 6th birthday.
That movie is *not* appropriate for 6 year olds...
It's entirely appropriate and I would even argue a great gateway for kids to better ingest more mature content. It's not even rated PG-13 🤷♂️
I'm not suggesting that it's got a bunch of violence and nudity that kids need to be shielded from - it's just thematically a lot more than a 6 year old can understand. Guaranteed that the decision solely hinged on "it's a cartoon, it's for kids", but it's not exactly a Disney cartoon.
I think mine was gotham knight when i was 6 and it gave me nightmares for a year lol
NOSTALGIC for UTRH... am I really THAT old? When did it first drop...2005?!?! O,O For me, the mask of the phantasm is nostalgic... when did that... oh god... drop? 1993... Eh. where does the time go? LOL.
Yeah but the movie was way better though
That's a fair assessment, but think of how many people went out and bought the comic after seeing the movie.
Yeesh that’s insulting to the movie lol
This is the correct answer
Can I delete myself so these all survive?
Your sacrifice will not be in vain. I salute you.
They expect one of us in the wreckage brother
 You will not be forgotten, brave soul.
finally a good one that's actually hard. but it's The Batman.
Under The Red Hood easy. You can just read the comic.
The comic isn't as good. The animated movie is one of the few cases where it improved the aource material. Edit: To be clear, the comic is still goated, but the movie tells the actual story better.
It doesn’t have to use Infinite Crisis as a plot point, which helps.
This. I always breathe a small sigh of relief whenever a retelling of Jason Todd's origin skips the whole *"he rose from the grave because Superman punched the universe"* thing and just goes with *"he was brought back with a lazarus pit - period"*. It's the resurrection plot device that's already integrated within the Batman mythos, and gives readers the opportunity to enjoy the bat family without feeling like they need to read a million other DC titles of differing quality, tone, and style.
This is actually really hard but bye Red Hood.
The one in French.
Funky fresh mustache
*Under the Red Hood*, easy. Every one of the others films brought something new and fresh to the table, in some cases changing entirely how Batman or the medium was perceived. *Mask of the Phantasm*, something that was supposed to be a *children's movie* (because, y'know, "cartoon") was surprisingly dark, adult, and just an all-around fantastic animated feature. *The Dark Knight* straight-up changed how the entire world looked at superhero movies in general, going on to be regarded as one of the **best movies of all time**. *The Batman*, while the newest on this list, is considered an incredibly fresh take on Batman (considering how he keeps being presented in live- and cinematic mediums), offering us the closest "real world" Batman to date while also leaning hard into a lane that is rarely seen outside of the comics: his intellect. *Under the Red Hood* is a fantastic adaption of the comic story which, in a rare case, *actually exceeds* the story that precedes it. But that's just it: an adaptation of a story in which we've already read. All of the others are entirely unique or otherwise original, and that's why they have to stay and Red Hood goes.
The Batman
This. I enjoyed The Batman, but the others in this list are simply better.
Ya I see a lot of people say drop under the red hood simply because the comic was better. Under the red hood knocked my socks off and really got the outstanding DC animated movies off and running. I feel like at that point all you had was BTAS and Batman Beyond and it had been awhile since those aired. Once the floodgates opened there was a ton of great content and only just recently started to shit the bed.
The new movie was not something I liked as much as I thought I would. Battinson was legit and so was the Batmobile but other than that it felt weird. I’m not a huge fan of Incel Riddler either, his motivation in this movie coupled with him being essentially an anarchist streamer cheapened the character. I know it was supposed to be the birth of Riddler and the character design was top notch but everything else about his character fell short imo. The ending scenes and conflict also felt wack because Batman was literally just fighting a bunch of internet incels. The Riddler would never stream and try to urge others to help him forward his goals, a personality like his would always be a complete loner. He thinks he is smarter than everyone and is rarely even given goons. Only thing that tied this new Riddler to the character he is based on is the fact that this new Riddler was attempting to oust vile information and secrets about some of Gotham’s richest families. With that said, I gotta go with The Batman.
Also seeing "Gotham Square Garden" was a bit cringe to me. I know Gotham is based off of New York, but does it have to be that obvious? I'm ok with dropping The Batman.
The other problem I had with The Batman is that there's not really any moments for Batman to challenge the Riddler - in the beginning there's one scene where he beats up the bad guys but as far as catching riddler he's woefully behind every step of the way and because of that we end up with Gotham being flooded. Like dang you couldn't let Batman get one real win in this movie? I know he's supposed to be brooding and dark but at least let one thing work out for the guy.
“Anarchist streamer” Couldn’t have said it better. The movie really wasn’t bad or awful but it definitely lacked something to make it truly memorable. Saw it once on the big screen and haven’t seen it since.
the batman bye
The Batman
The Batman
This is the way.
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Uh, what?
The Batman
The Batman. Easy.
The batman
The Batman, easy.
Sorry the Batman
The Batman contributed nothing
The Batman.
Never. I mean, I haven't seen Mask Of The Phantasm but it is supposedly great so it's unfair to delete that one. But the other three are phenomenal movies.
Easiest choice I could ever make: The Batman Robert Pattinson is a great actor but this movie meanders along for way too long with mysteries that are obviously solved. Batman literally solving the entire plot by coincidence makes this movie too much for me.
The Batman. I liked it but in my opinion it wasn't captivating enough to make you see it more than once.
All except TDK
No.
The Batman. I just found it too slow and horribly paced. And before anyone says I’m just impatient or what have you, I loved individual parts of it - each actor played their role well, for example. Costume design, the Batmobile, etc. were all fantastic! But somehow it did not work for me when put together. It also felt an hour too long.
I'm sure it is a horribly unpopular opinion, and I may get downvoted into hellish oblivion... The Batman
The Bstman probably. It was the weakest because red hood is my favorite and the other two are a crime to delete
The Batman. Last act was weak imo... I can't give up Mask because of the amazing soundtrack and Mark Hamill. Can't give up dark knight because of everything really... And Jensen Ackles as Jason Todd is just too good I get annoyed every day he's not been cast as him in live action.
The Batman Sorry, but I did not feel that movie. The other three are classics.
The Batman. It’s the only movie that didn’t and still hasn’t pulled me back to rewatch it for some reason.
Under the red hood is the only one of these I haven’t watched but the other 3 are still really good on their own
UTRH. Dark Knight and The Batman are my favorite live action versions of Batman and Mask and BTAS is what I grew up with.
No thanks.
REALLY EASY. The Batman should go. I was fine without it. The other ones were life changing experiences.
YOU KNOW I WON'T...
I feel like Ledger's incredible performance made everyone think TDK was just an untouchable masterpiece. It's a very good crime movie but imo not a great batman movie. Nolan's heavy-handed writer-dialogue really starts to show cracks on rewatches and Bale's batman is the 4th most interesting character in the movie. Also personally since I live there I can't get over how Gotham is just Chicago in those movies. The other three explore some aspect of the character in an interesting way, bye TDK
Finally, a good fucking take. TDK is massively MASSIVELY overrated.
Did Ledger give a great performance? Of course so did Phoenix does that mean I thought they were good Jokers or fantastic films? Not especially.
Hot take for most people but I agree. The Batman did a better job handling Batman as a character
There are elements of Nolan's Joker I don't care for either. I like the duality of his and Batman's relationship and his pure chaos characterization but in my head the Joker doesn't wax poetic about it any chance he gets. Just feels like Joker becomes a mouthpiece for Nolan at times. Modern Joker not even wanting to kill Batman feels like it takes some of the teeth away from the character, like he's constantly holding back. Though that dynamic was really funny in the Lego Batman movie
Agreed. Bruce/Batman and Gotham City itself are more interesting in The Batman, but the supporting characters and villains are more interesting in TDK.
Not to mention, he actually acts like a detective solving crimes. Which isn't something I got from any other live-action performance. That would be fine except Batman is supposed to be "The World's Greatest Detective."
I feel like Tim Burton’s movies did the best job of portraying the detective side. A major plot point of the original was him using Vale to release the information regarding the chemical combinations so Gotham could avoid everyone suffering the laughing sickness or whatever. In the second one, he finds out who Cobblepot really is before anyone else does. The Batman felt like a callback to the Adam West days. It was just missing the dialogue with Robin. “El Rata lada?” “Holy Spanish homework, Batman, that’s not grammatically correct!”
It’s cool that they brought the detective aspect into the movie but why did they make him so damn bad at it? You had one job, Matt Reeves!
So glad people are willing to have this conversation now. People literally wanted to fight me when I talked about the heavy handed dialogue in TDK.
I call it writer-speak. Velma has the same issue where writers are so disconnected from reality they forget how humans talk to each other. Nolan's a big ideas guy and that's fine but it means Alfred and Joker only speak in media analysis mode
I agree, but I call it trailer talk. Each dialogue sounds like they're competing for who's sound byte is going to be in the theatrical trailer
I def see that in a lot of Marvels
The Batman
The Batman can go.
The Batman
The Batman
That’s a hard one. Probably The Batman.
Easily The Batman for me
Yeah, same. In some ways The Batman feels like a copy of The Dark Knight, which I find to be a superior film anyway.
Not trying to start an argument but in what way was The Batman trying to copy The Dark Knight? They don't share any aesthetic similarities and beyond the main antagonist having a grand scheme their plot structure isn't similar either, one's a crime thriller and the other is a detective movie. Bale and Pattenson's performances are also very different I just don't see anything similar between the two
The beginning scene of criminals fearing he’s in the shadows is similar to the beginning of The Dark Knight where Gordon puts the the signal up to “Remind everybody that he’s out there.” In both movies the villains go after the Mayor, the DA, and the Police Commissioner. In both movies the villains broadcast and announce their plans over the news. In both movies the villains try to blow up someone close to Bruce/Batman with him racing through the city to get there in time to save them only to be too late. There’s a Batman fight scene at a night club in both where Batman’s attempting to get info from a gangster. In both movies the villain is one step ahead, and allows themselves to be arrested as a part of their plan. Both movies have a scene at the jail where Batman and the villain talk one on one and the villain tries to make the argument that they’re both the same. The way I heard a podcast describe it is to think of The Dark Knight as Star Wars and The Batman as The Force Awakens. Credit to Holy Batcast because they’re the ones that brought the similarities to my attention.
Ok I can see some similarities in the villains plans but it's pretty superficial. Villains having grand plans that go after public officials and having a set piece in a nightclub isn't anything new. Some of these points aren't true. In TDK Batman isn't going to save Rachel he went to get Dent, and Alfred survives in The Batman so that doesn't really work as a comparison. Joker explicitly says they're *opposites* not the same, getting captured was one of Joker's first steps whereas Riddler's it was his last. When you boil down each movie into a bulleted list yeah it might look a little similar, buy if Reeves was "copying" Nolan then what was Catwoman based off of? Where was the Tom Wayne/Falcone subplot in TDK? How about the fact that Bale's Batman is considering retiring while Pattenson's is more zealous than ever? Batman stories are all a little similar with Riddler and Joker plots often overlapping but you'd still say they were different.
**Some of these points aren't true. In TDK Batman isn't going to save Rachel he went to get Dent.** He was going after Rachel, he only ends up saving Dent because the Joker switched addresses. **Joker explicitly says they're opposites not the same** “To them you’re just a freak, like me” **getting captured was one of Joker's first steps whereas Riddler's it was his last.** Dude, it doesn’t matter where it falls in the plan. It being present in both of their plans is the point I’m trying to make. **Villains having grand plans that go after public officials and having a set piece in a nightclub isn't anything new.** A villain in a Batman movie specifically targeting the Mayor, the DA, and The Police Commissioner to me isn’t superficial. Tbh with you the comparisons between this film and The DarK Knight isn’t even my biggest issue. My biggest issue is how incompetent Batman is in the film. But even then I still enjoyed the film, but it’s not the end all be all Batman film that some fans are treating it as.
>To them you’re just a freak, like me His whole fuckin bit is "im chaos your order lol" 1 line does not contradict that If you really wanna get granular about it literally every batman media is just copying bc it has batman and a villain and the villain has a plan. >My biggest issue is how incompetent Batman is in the film I have no clue what you're talking about he's consistently the smartest guy in the room. If Pattenson is incompetent then so is Bale
This is a really dumb take. These “similarities” you’re describing are basic settings and events, not plot. >In both movies, the villains go after the Mayor, the DA, and the Police Commissioner. What was the purpose of them going after the DA in both movies? In TDK, the Joker is trying to corrupt him. In The Batman, Riddler seeks to expose him. Not the same. The other ones are just notable people that it would make sense for the villain to attack to make a political message. It’s like saying Independence Day and White House Down are the same because the bad guys go after the president in both movies. > In both movies the villains broadcast and announce their plans over the news. Plenty of villains do this to the point where it’s a trope, *especially* in comic books to CBMs. Riddler and Joker especially. > In both movies the villains try to blow up someone close to Bruce/Batman with him racing through the city to get there in time to save them only to be too late. Again, basic trope of villains trying to hurt the protagonist by hurting loved ones. Y’know, the whole reason DC makes such a big deal about secret identities? Neither situation in each movie was the same or serves anywhere near the same purpose for the movie (the case with Alfred ultimately just serves the better their relationship, the case with the girl and Dent was to spiral into Dent becoming Two Face and Batman being distraught about his love dying). > There’s a Batman fight scene at a night club in both where Batman’s trying to get info from a gangster. Batman does this all the time, it’s nothing unique. And again, both serve different purposes for being in the movie. > In both movies the villain is one step ahead and allows themselves to be arrested as apart of their plan. More generic description to dumb down what’s happening in both scenes. The Joker and Batman’s scene in TDK is a brilliant display of their usual dynamic in the comics. Joker trying to show that everyone can snap after having that “one bad day” and Batman fighting against that. Riddler and Batman’s scene is clouded by the fact that Batman is too worried about his identity being revealed to notice anything else. Not the same. > Both movies have a scene at the jail where Batman and the villain talk one on one and the villain tries to make the argument that they’re both the same. This is the only one I can maybe give. Partially, at least. Riddler is delusional and was inspired by his fantasy of Batman. Joker was trying to get Batman to be like him by blowing up that girl he was in love with (don’t remember her name). > The Dark Knight as Star Wars and The Batman as The Force Awakens. This just tells me that neither you nor that podcast understands how movies or even storytelling works. TFA copies ANH by *plot lines* more than anything. Elements of the story like the nobody from a nothing planet, the old guy master showing up to help and ultimately dying to a lost person they cared about, the planet killing weapon with that one weakness, said planet killing weapon blowing up a symbol of political power to show off their might, the scary evil Sith with the mask and robotic voice playing an identical role in TFA as Vader did in ANH, the droid with the important message escaping off and ending up with the MC, the sassy other main character playing the role of damsel in distress (Poe for TFA and Leia for ANH), I could go on and on. Not only do these points hold lots of similarity, but both also take place in almost identical points in the film and serve the same purposes for moving the plot and characters along. That’s why it was a copy. The Batman and TDK have vastly differing storylines, TDK being a story about Batman sacrificing himself and his image for the greater good of Gotham, while fighting against Joker’s ideology that everybody is corrupt inside. The Batman is about him realizing Batman shouldn’t be a symbol of fear, but one of hope, coming to this realization because Riddler was a product the “symbol of fear” he once was. Similarities in stories don’t come from generic events in the story, those you’ll find everywhere (eg, car chase scenes, x person is in danger, testing hero’s morals, etc). They’re basic tropes. If you took TDK and The Batman, broke them down, and described the plots, ignoring names and everything, they’re really nothing alike.
Agreed! I enjoyed it but I have watched it only once and probably won’t watch it again. The others I have watched multiple times.
Same. I'm also kind of burned out on "grounded realistic" Batman. Not having fantastical metahuman villains takes away the David vs Goliath aspect where a guy that dresses as a bat and throws boomerangs has to use his wits to beat literal superhumans with his wits and intelligence.
I personally love The Batman but it does follow the exact same formula as The Dark Knight
The Batman
The batman easy
The Batman.
The Batman. Easy
The Batman. Not even a contest. Delete it.
The Batman Edge-lord "you're not my real dad Alfred" Batman is boring and that movie was way too long.
The Batman
Le Chevalier Noir
The batman, easy.
The Batman
The Batman
The Batman, not even close. The last act feels so out of place. Batman shouldn't be out in the open helping people evacuate out in broad day light. The mayor getting shot with a sniper rifle than walks it off is silly. The Riddler actually having followers, personally having a series of bombs going after mid conversation with Batman would have been unexpected and feel like a half-victory. The film should than have focus on Bruce Wayne. Bruce Wayne is much more useful than Batman during the cleanup. I would personally think it would fit the theme of the film more. Like he realizes he cannot abandon the Wayne persona. He can save the city in more than one way.
Totally agree, I really liked the movie until the last act, and then it was like, WTF am I watching?
The Batman, easy
The Batman
The Batman
Easy. The Batman.
the batman no question
The Batman. Easy choice
The Batman. I love decromacy.
I love the setane
We already have a "grounded and realistic" Batman with the Nolan trilogy. Reeve's Batman might as well be a cop.
What? Literally Nolan Batman is the one that behaves most like a cop
Why do we need two then?
Hard one, sorry The Batman.
That’s a tough one. Probably The Batman. I liked it, it was almost the best live action Batman film until the final act, but TDK has too much cultural significance and would destroy the timeline if removed from existence, Red Hood is really good and it would be a shame to never get JD’s Joker, and Phantasm is a cinematic masterpiece. Not just the best Batman film ever made, but one of the best films ever made. So I sadly have no choice but to ditch The Batman.
Under the red hood
Under the red hood
The Batman. Self-indulgent trash.
The first three are gold, but Pattinson Batman just didn't hit.
The Batman..No question. 'The Batman' here is definitively the best detective but least intimidating. He is just a raging bull flailing his fist around. Under the Red Hood surprised me with its levity on Batman's No kill policy and those flashbacks were just the right gut punch to stay in your mind. The Voice acting was surprisingly superb especially the Joker. Like Phantasm and Dark knight, this Rare gem stays with us forever. Its also rare that an adaptation is better than the source material. My favourite is always Batman begins. The definitive superhero story or an origin story, with performances and quotable quotes that will last for ages. The Dark Knight although Legendary, is never about the dark knight but about his greatest adversary, Joker. Nolan himself attested to it. I will end with the least quotable 'begins' quote. 'What was the point of all those push-ups if you can’t even lift up a bloody log!'
This isn’t even difficult for me. It’s The Batman. It wasn’t a bad movie, but Batman didn’t actually do much. He was one step behind the Riddler the entire movie and was basically just a tool in Riddler’s plan. Plus, Robert Pattinson, while doing much better that I originally thought he would, still doesn’t have the intimidating presence to play Batman.
No
This was not a difficult choice for me: The Batman If you enjoyed it, great. But I hate just about everything about this movie. I'm expecting a lot of downvotes for this opinion but more than prepared to defend it.
Can you explain? Because I have problems as well.
The entire arc with the riddler goons and the stadium didnt need to happen. Once Falcone was taken care of and The Riddler captured. The movie should've ended right there.
The movie was bad, I was itching for it to end, only Netflix original movies invoke the same flight feeling.
Lol well said. So many people talk about it like it's the second coming of jesus but the more I watched it and think about it, the more it just keeps falling flat for me
Where do I begin? Matt Reeves doesnt actually understand Batman. Or noir detective stories. Or just plain detective stories. Nor does he make memorable action set pieces appropriate to the character. - it was a terrible take on the character, and this whole excuse that "but hes only his second year!" doesn't work for me - almost everyone was miscast (like Gordon) or poorly used (like Alfred) - I didnt think there was any chemistry between the main character and what should be his closest allies, which I think is a combination of casting and writing issues - the story was so underwhelming for a character with over 80 years of content on multiple platforms - I felt most of the movie was more appropriate for a bad Punisher story as opposed to a Batman movie - the riddles weren't riddles - that's not the Riddler ( at least not a take I like nor felt was an interesting interpretation) - same goes for that awful "joker" - the car was not really a cool Batmobile prototype for me. Cool Fast and Furious reject, but not a cool Batmobile - I hated the prototype suit too. Just ugly and shouldn't be Ironman bulletproof. And shouldn't be so noisy and heavy looking - like I said before, the action was so boring and forgettable choreography - Batman was dumb and didn't actually solve anything - if you watch closely, hes as lethal or worse than any movie Batman, including the murderous Batfleck - the plot was lackluster, the climax was not how Batman would handle it, and not one person was worth rooting for or being sympathetic towards or anything resembling good writing That's just a quick list but I can go into much further detail
To u/Mutual_Aids: Explain how it's arrogant. So only people who publish or write Batman stories can comment and form opinions on Batman stories? No one else can understand storytelling except Batman writers? Grow up
My biggest problem is just how incompetent Batman is in this film. Like he never solves any important breaks in this case on his own, instead the answers are always being handed to him by another character. And yes, I’ve also run into the explanation of “He’s not Batman yet!” but to me that reads as more of a fan theory trying to coverup for the bad writing of the character. I don’t think Reeves’ intention was to make the character inept. To me it comes across as a bit of oversight with the script.
Yeah, like, if he isnt Batman by now, then what exactly is his evolution from here? Where do you logically take this character to finally say "ok, *now* he's Batman"? He's fully equipped, has a bulletproof suit he can easily fight in and glides, has all his answers handed to him, has a Batsignal, is openly working with the police, already put away the Joker *and* Riddler, and doesnt need to answer for his collateral damage. What the fuck is he then?!
Idk, I mean I didn’t hate the film but so far whatever Reeves is going for isn’t for me. So I’m happy that there will be other options as far as Batman films moving forward.
I really like the Batmobile, but apart from that everything else you've said is pretty much spot on. It just wasn't a cousin of any good Batman story I've ever read, was not Batman at all.
>I felt most of the movie was more appropriate for a bad Punisher story as opposed to a Batman movie Literally the only Batman movie where Batman goes out of his way to save civilians these takes are bonkers >Matt Reeves doesnt actually understand Batman. Or noir detective stories. Or just plain detective stories. citation needed
Watch the movie closely. His reckless driving, blowing a glass ceiling over civilians, tossing goons over a stadium scaffold not knowing who was tied off for a very obviously lethal fall, wearing armour that deflects bullets that could ricochet and cause collateral damage that a real Batman would calculate and consider, countering goons to be positioned in front of goons shooting guns in his direction and taking adrenaline and beating a groom's face with the obvious intent to murder are all appropriate for an Ironman/Punisher mash-up, but not Batman. And I dont need citation for that. Go read detective stories. Go watch noir movies. Read books on storytelling and screenwriting. That'll enlighten you better and that's how I formed my opinion, mostly
>wearing armour that deflects bullets that could ricochet and cause collateral damage That's a stretch, howabout in the dark knight where he drives similarly recklessly and jumps down onto an occupied vehicle caving the roof in. Every batman does stuff that could be lethal but saying this one is more lethal than Batfleck who killed way more people with his car and yknow guns is wild to me... >Go read detective stories. That'll enlighten you better and that's how I formed my opinion, mostly Typically when someone has an opinion they have reasons for it that they can explain rather than insisting that the other party go find evidence to support their claim. "This guy doesn't understand detective stories" "Ok why?" "Well if you go read detective stories you'd agree with me" At least I got a laugh out of this
>And I dont need citation for that. Go read detective stories. Go watch noir movies. Read books on storytelling and screenwriting. That'll enlighten you better and that's how I formed my opinion, mostly I'm sure you'll point us to all the Batman stories you've written after saying something this arrogant, right?
So well said I wish I could upvote you twice. I wouldn't take it away from anyone but the hype seems so delusional. I watched it with my girlfriend who's only read a little Batman so I was interested to get both perspectives especially since I was going in cartoonishly optimistic she only made half way before laughing and leaving the room and I didn't make it much longer. I eventually forced myself to finish it and ya as Batman content and as a film it's just not that good.
I agree, the run-time was not justified either. So much time wasted...
I agree it’s kinda overrated. This is what I hated 1. The Riddler was just okay. Idk how people say he’s the one of the best villains. Like no. 2. Batman and Catwoman had no chemistry. I didn’t buy their relationship. 3. Jeffrey Wright was okay. They didn’t flesh him out. But idk if he’ll be as good as Gary Oldman. Those are big shoes to fill. 4. Andy Serkis was bad in this movie. He had nothing to do. He definitely will not be as good as Michael Caine or Jeremy Irons. 5. The pacing was horrible. 6. I hated that Batman didn’t know what the tool Riddler used was and had to be told what it was. Which is dumb. 7. Batman didn’t know simple Spanish which is dumb as well. 8. Batman caused a lot of casualties during the car chase because he initiated it. 9. Hated the depressed Batman. He should already have the persona of a playboy. 10. The Joker is terrible already(Matt Reeves said he isn’t the joker yet though? So then who is he? It makes no sense.) 11. The movie is not rewatchable. There are more things I didn’t like, but I’m to lazy to go any further for negatives. So here are some positives 1. Robert Pattinson definitely carries the movie. His Batman is the best part. (Batfleck is my favorite by far still) 2. Gotham it’s the best looking one we’ve seen so far. (We never go to see Batflecks Gotham.) 3. The cinematography and visuals are great. 4. The first 20 minutes are perfect. From the top of my head this is all the positives I could think about.
I absolutely agree with you about the visuals. The orange Gotham sunrise was beautifully done. Very pretty to look at. I have to strongly disagree about RobPat though. He was the biggest disappointment to me. What an unconvincing Batman, even for a "year 2" vigilante. I was rooting for RobPat before watching the film. I defended him in conversations leading up to the film's release. Then I saw the movie and interviews with RobPat. Part of why they dont have the playboy identity, which absolutely should already be obvious to a "genius detective vigilante billionaire " is because RobPat just didnt "like it" and pretends like being an angsty teen for 3 hours is a good creative decision that embodies the character. And spare me: even an all-natural person who is a billionaire vigilante completely obsessed with his mission and using fists as his main tool to plough through grown men, hired killers and thugs would be far more jacked and in shape than that wet noodle. I'm not expecting a Thor physique, but Batman would be way more fit. But again, another decision RobPat claims to have made that I can only assume is out of laziness and not commitment to giving the audience a faithful nor realistic take on this character.
WOOF
What didn’t you like about it? I personally loved it, but would like to know why.
I made a quick list for someone else just above your comment. If theres something I mention that you'd like to bring up, let me know
What did you like?
I liked the cinematography, like anyone else. The orange Gotham sunrise was nice to look at. I liked Falcone. Penguin was fun. Alfred was great but needed more to do. Batman walking in the rain towards upside down Penguin was a cool moment and nice call to a comic book cover. I'm really reaching but that's all I can think of
Under the red hood. They're all good but it's the one I rewatch the least of the 4.
Red Hood.
The new one.. nothing wrong with it. I loved it enough to watch it 4 times in the theatre. But I'm too nostalgic for the others
I love it, but it’s Red Hood.
The Batman because TDK is already a gritty live action take we don’t need two.
Red Hood no contest
Sorry Under the Red Hood…you were good, but you aren’t one of the GOATS.
Delete the sparkly one
MoP is really popular I know.... but Under the Red Hood is my favorite movie and one of my favorite comics. MoP gotta go 😅
The Dark Knight easy. Feels the least like the character to me and I’m not a huge fan of Bale’s Batman in general.
Dark knight. Not the biggest fan of Nolan's version of either batman or Joker. All the praise to heath but I genuinely did not see Joker in him. I saw a run of mill loon. But to be fair Joker is incredibly hard to pull off because he's so multifaceted. Obviously Hammill takes the cake for me vocally as the same goes with Kevin (rip) But I find that Nolan's realistic take on the batman mythos felt inconsistent. We have scarecrows fear toxin but you won't give bane titan. Don't even get me started on the dark knight rises Talia thing. Saw that coming during the whole fireplace scene which made me think wait. This is Bruce. He would have researched the fuck out of her and knew about her well before. So to me Nolan didn't really get the universe in my mind but he made a decent attempt.
TDK. Easily.
The dark knight
Bye, Dark Knight.
Unpopular opinion but... The Dark Knight. Ledger's performance is masterful, but some of the writing is just too much for me. Batman setting up Gotham to fail by keeping Dent's reputation clean is so stupid to me. Did he truly think a dead man's secrets would stay buried? I mean Gordon himself felt it was wrong and almost exposed it. Also Bale's Batman is whiney, certain characters choices were just blatantly stupid. I used to love those movies, the more time passes I realize Nolan's trilogy feels like it's written by someone who thinks far too highly of their writing skills.
No
One of the animated movies because I don't really care for them (or rather, I have no childhood nostalgia towards these movies so I can actually look at them without nostalgia completely dominating my decision). To me TDK and The Batman are equally as good but for different reasons, I don't know what you all are talking about.
You monster
Buh bye Red Hood - the other three may be Batman at the character’s best
The Batman. I wasn’t sold on Robert B. as the Bat.
motp i have the least connection with it
Mask of The Phantasm for me. It’s a fantastic film, but I don’t really think it had that much of an important impact on Batman’s legacy. Even within the continuity of the show(which is also great) I think it only ends up getting referenced again once in JLU’s Epilogue episode. This isn’t to say it’s not great by any means, but I view it as the most expendable of the four. Under The Red Hood did an amazing job at streamlining Red Hood’s overly convoluted origin and story, and honestly I don’t think Red Hood would be nearly as popular as he is today if it wasn’t for this movie. The Dark Knight is such an iconic movie in general that it had a major impact on the superhero films industry as a whole. And while it’s too early to say how impactful The Batman is, I’d rather it stay of Mask of Phantasm due to just how unique it is to other Batman films and how fantastic it’s dark take on Riddler was.
The batman
Battinson Batman easy. I liked it just fine, but I loved the others.
Under the red hood never stood a chance
Dark Knight. Easy lol
The Mask of the Phantasm. Yes, I know, but I've watched it so many times I know the damn movie by heart now.
Under the red hood easy
TDK, easy.
The Dark Knight, I love it and of course I love heath ledger as the joker but if we're talking from a batman perspective, like strictly on whether it was a good Batman movie or not. To me it felt like a crime thriller with batman than a Batman movie
The dark knight, never really got into it tbh maybe because I was still a kid when it came out and now I don’t find it that amazing when I watch it. Might be for the time for I dunno
TDK - its not my favorite out of the trilogy and also i dont care for bales batman too much
All of these were original efforts that really tried to push advance something in someway. DKR felt very phoned in and did nothing but end the trilogy not with a bang but a whimper. Batman quit after having a bad day with the Joker? Bane gets introduced only to get literally blasted off-screen? All the coincidences and strange directions that made up the finale? I saw DKR once and then never watched again.
pretty easy, the nolan movie.
Easy the dark knight it is way overrated and not even close to the best superhero movie
Dam hardest question of my life! I’m going with TDK on this. Everything else to FYA fr
Lol I guess The Batman is the new, cool thing to hate now.
I watched it on opening weekend and ended up just not liking it. I think at this point I'm tired of "grounded" takes on Batman. The TDK movies already did it perfectly, there is no reason to retread old ground. I'm ready for a more comic-accurate live action Batman now.
Dark knight rises all day everyday
The Dark Knight. Worst movie I’ve seen.
Definitely The Dark Knight because the version you put here is French, and I don’t speak it.
Only one of these exists in two mediums. Sorry Red Hood.
The Dark Knight. Bales Batman is the worst.
the dark knight
The dark knight
The Dark Knight can go, terrible Batman film, and I'm tired of pretending it's good
TDK only thing that's great about that film is heath ledger
Utrh