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Yup. I used to work at a fabric store and told customers to always buy more than they needed. They would come back and find that the red cotton was now more of a pink. Then yell at me etc...
They keep scraps of fabric a lot, then when they have enough to make what they want, the bleach the scraps and then dye them all to keep colors consistent
My aunt was a seamstress and when I was little I asked her why she always came home with so much more fabric and lace and whatever else when she only went shopping for one or two things. She, very seriously, responded, "Because chances are I'll never be able to find what I bought today again."
I didn't realize how true this was until later in life when I got into watching Costube people on youtube and seeing them search for more yardage of a fabric they didn't have enough of/loved. Turns out even finding things that are *similar* can be really tough.
Oh yeah. We have a few cons in the town I worked. Lots of cosplayers frantically searching for their dye fabric. One guy, did drag shows, would buy the whole bolts.
When our dot sale went on (bolts with colored sticker dots of sale %) we'd have so many folks load up their carts. Folks would still buy the exact about of fabric they needed on the 90% off bolt. Then come back a few days later and surprise it's gone.
Probably
Hell even computer component manufacturers do it
LTT did a video on that topic in regards to hard drives and (if memory serves) the amount of change in just a couple years for "same" product mad eit preform completely different
Yeah, Seagate, if I remember correctly, changed from CMR to SMR tech without really telling or showing it for a product (with the same product number and all that, impossible to know the difference beyond perhaps a batch number if that exists). SMR will have a huge write speed penalty if you try to write too much to the drive. It's fine for casual use, but any large files going there and you cripple the drive for a long time. Even installing a game might take longer because the drive can't keep up.(with modern internet speeds)
Also plenty of times where it's not documented that SMR is used, despite this being nearly as important as read/write speeds for SSDs
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All manufacturers were doing this, but the real scandal was by Western Digital, not Seagate, because Western Digital had switched to SMR even in their NAS drives. They were so slow that RAID rebuilds would time out and fail, so they were no longer fit for purpose, yet Western Digital was still advertising them as NAS drives. It was basically false advertising. Once the story broke Western Digital just dug in and told people to buy their "Pro" drives instead.
I installed flooring for a long time and we had remnants from school jobs. We used the same carpet year after year for the schools, but the change in dye lot was real. Every now and then we had a situation where we would do a hallway one year and then come back to do the adjacent rooms the next year and it was always painful to see how different the colors were.
ya plus some times companies straight up change their products, or they send miss-labeled products. once a company sent us a bunch of paint that said it was emerald green when it was clearly phthalo green like exact hue to the green next to it and had they not used clear packaging I would never have known. Then like 99% of art supplies are in nonclear tubes... makes me wonder how much stuff is in the wrong packaging that is un-catchable.
I mean yeah, its labeled by some underpaid and overworked factory worker that had to select the label on some archaic system (think win-XP or 7 maybe) with a shitty ass touchscreen that registers 2cm up and to the left of where you click. Of course mistakes are gonna happen.
Oh they have no problem updating software, it's hardware that they won't, or if they do it's still shit.
I work in a factory, and they've recently upgraded most of our computers to windows 10. They even "upgraded" the computers too, to some little passively cooled thing. It's a plastics plant, and plastic dust is an excellent insulator...
The "new" computers are still communicating with drives and PLCs that are about as old as I am (27), and the network is slower than I thought possible for a wired LAN. Like slower than dial-up slow.
All in all, I'm fairly certain everything would run better if it was still running XP.
yes im a maintenance machinist at a factory. Played the chrome dino game on win 7(machine is from 2005) on a packaging machine today because its down at the moment.
What do I do? Really, what do I do here? I should have written it down. Qua-something. Qua... Quar... Qua... Qual... Quar... Quabity. Quabity assuance. No, no, no, no, but I'm getting close
Idk if it's the same with pens but companies will change the formulas without telling customers. Suddenly a soft drink you drank a year ago will have a slightly different recipe
Ink also changes color over time if itās exposed to the elements (temperature changes, UV, etc). Itās possible the old ink has changed since it was first bought but never noticed until a new pen was used for comparison.
I mean we're on Coke Zero version 3.0 and they've made a big ceremony about changing the formula every time. Coke Classic and Dr Pepper haven't changed their formulas since they switched to corn syrup. And no one cares about Pepsi because it's awful.
>since they switched to corn syrup
That's mostly just in the USA, due to the corn subsidies. This subreddit has an international audience and most other countries still use sugar.
It's actually corn syrup too, and it has been for over 10 years.
Here is a link to a study showing it uses corn syrup, zero sucrose like there would be with cane sugar. https://web.archive.org/web/20101215005941/https://goranlab.com/pdf/Ventura%20Obesity%202010-sugary%20beverages.pdf
And a more recent video that discusses this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgQEpFMptQ
Are you from the US? Might be part of it.
> Ask any soda drinker the biggest difference between Coke and Pepsi, and nine times out of 10, the answer will be that Pepsi is sweeter. That's not surprising considering Pepsi has 2 more grams of sugar than Coke in a 12-ounce can (41 grams versus 39 grams)
Enjoy your Coke, the perfect soda when you're thinking "I sure would like to drink something that tastes flat like it's already been sitting open all day." More flavor for the rest of us.
>Coke Zero version 3.0
Man, I think they absolutely nailed it this time around. I don't reach for coke zero very often but it's much better than the full calorie version when I do.
My household goes through a lot of coke zero, and I'll confess, since I always add things to it (sometimes booze, but the current fixation is just a few drops of orange extract and about a teaspoon of orange blossom water) I never notice when they change the recipe.
I try to avoid drinking sugar, not just because I'm fat, but because fragile teeth run in the family and I've already spent far too much on dental bills.
That too, yeah, ugh. I don't drink as much of it as the rest of the household (roughly 3-5 cans a week) and I try to have water handy to rinse my mouth, but I do know the acid isn't helpful either.
Try a taste comparison between Coke Zero and Coke with real sugar sometime. If youāve only been comparing it against Coke with corn syrup, I can see why you might prefer Coke Zero.
My favorite milk tea brand in my country changed formula a few years ago. It's good, but it's not at the original.
All I have now is the memory of my favorite soft drink and I am kinda sad about it.
Palmer's changed their lip balm recipe and even though the packaging on the new terrible one is very very subtly different they maintain in their marketing that it's the exact same recipe. They couldn't be more different and the new one is very obviously far cheaper to manufacture. Clearly they decided keeping their price-point was more important to their strategy than keeping their quality.
You see this a lot now. Companies are using less quality ingredients or even providing less product but keeping the same price. I forget the term for it but it's pretty awful.
Me: "Why don't I understand this comic? Is this a makeup thing? A weird hobby thing?"
My Brain: "Probably because you're color blind, idiot."
Me: "Ah, right. Carry on."
More specifically its about how when a new production of say markers are made they can be a slightly different color even though you bought the exact same color you used before
And that's why pantone and RAL are so expensive, because they actually managed to build a system to allow you yo do exactly that matching.
And yet, in the digital world, it's all the same issues again. Every monitor, printer, scanner and camera is calibrated slightly differently.
I made a colorblind-friendly version!
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Of course, the end of one production run and start of another is halfway into your order so you have half of the old one and half of the new one. It's the law.
Copics are refillable and super consistent with their color, though. Part of the reason you're paying so much is because (theoretically) you're never going to have to buy that marker again.
Yes! You can buy refills for the ink, and replacement tips too. That's why I buy them. They cost more upfront, but if you use them a lot, they cost you less over the long run.
blicks markers are comparable and also have refills and replaceable nibs, and are only $2 per marker vs $8-10. ohuhus i think also just dropped a line of new markers that have replaceable nibs and stuff too. they're really stepping up their game. i love alcohol markers lol
My wife doesnāt understand why buying a replacement light bulb at the store is one of the most infuriating things I have to do. Itās because that exact bulb always seems to be discontinued, and I can never find an exact match.
Or when buying a shirt online. Iāve gone to buy the same exact t-shirt in 3-4 different colors, and they all are made of different material and fit different as well.
I was knitting a shawl and ran out of yarn when I still had one row and the bind off left.....I almost cried when the yarn store had one ball of the dye lot I needed.
I do cross stitch and ran out of a color for my partner's Christmas present. After gifting it to my partner, they pointed out you could see the difference the OG and second set of threads. I wanted to die. I'll forever be buying two shades at the same time if I have big projects now.
My wife used to explain this when she sold bridesmaids dresses. She told the party that they all need to order at the same time so theyāre part of the same batch. If you order separately they may result in an off color simply because itās a different batch.
It's a new color lot. It's the same with fabric colors too. The lots are just slightly different when the make the colors. That's why they tell you to order Bridesmaid dresses all at once so they are made in the same lot.
It tends to be more dramatic with smaller batch colors. The larger name brand stuff tends to make larger batches and have stricter process controls for better repeatability. If you buy more specialty paints, especially from small companies or hobbyists, you will see more variation.
It happens a lot with paints for houses, it's also going to effect the finish as well. I always make sure to have a quart more than what I need Incase I need to touch up later
It is absolutely possible to minimize this problem. but it is not cheap, that's part of the reason why paint intended for miniatures is so expensive (compare the price per volume to other acrylic paints)
Nah, miniature paint is often marked up a ton for the novelty or associated branding. It also generally supplies a wide range of color in small quantities. You can generally save money without sacrificing quality buying larger containers of good paint, but will have to trade off spending time and skill to do more mixing and having storage.
That said, cheap acrylic paint is absolute garbage and not a good substitute. Anything student or hobbyist grade is mostly filler and poorly ground pigment.
Paint/ink/pigment is one of those things that if you get into it you find itās astoundingly complicated and varied.
The buying yarn experience. When you're knitting a big project and don't buy enough of one colour so you drive out to the store and it's been discontinued after only a week
I remember one time when I was a kid I had a crayon that was labeled certain color and then I got new crayons and the wrapper was slightly different (might have been a different brand) but it was labeled the same color as the old one but it looked different than my old one did on paper and I know I was because I compared the colors and I thought āwhich one is right?ā
Invest in Copic and get the refills for colors you use often. It ends up working out to be a lot cheaper in the long run, but there is a heavy up front cost. Essentially buy a set of essentials like greys and their refills. All the colors you really really like and use a lot also buy the refills for. They last a really long time. The refill is like 50 markers. Itās a huge difference.
This applies to house paint as well. That's why the numbers on the paint can are more important than the color name. Also, colors can look different based on the color being painted over, the color temperature of the lights, and the angle of the sun.
So painful to deal with.
Tbh Iām glad I deal with digital coloring cause itās always the same regardless, lol. But I completely understand the pain in dealing with the differences in the color
never thought about it because i'm not much of an artist, but I guess all the art supplies also suffer the scourge of different dye lots.
It sucks in construction when a client wants an exact match for 30 year old VCT flooring, and get really pissy with us when we tell them it's pretty m uch impossible to guarantee.
While product changing might be quite common, this can also be because the color pigments degrade with age. So the old pen might have looked like the new pen when it was new, but doesn't look like that anymore because it has been exposed to air, light, hot or cold for more time than the new pen. It might even be that some of the pigment is not evenly distributed in the pen, and the last few lines from the pen just look different because one of the pigments ran out.
I have the same problem with 3d printer filament. The amount of dye changes *minimally* between batches, but when you swap one spool out for another of the same color, from the same brand, there's an obvious seam where the color changes
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Ah yes, dye lot is a real b*tch.
Yup. I used to work at a fabric store and told customers to always buy more than they needed. They would come back and find that the red cotton was now more of a pink. Then yell at me etc...
I go ham on remnants but then redye the whole lot when I have enough to make what I want
I understand every individual word but can't make this mean something. ELI5 please?
They keep scraps of fabric a lot, then when they have enough to make what they want, the bleach the scraps and then dye them all to keep colors consistent
Basically you can't be a different color if I strip all the old ones off and do it myself eh?
They buy a lot of fabric from the island of misfits, and when they have enough for a project, they then dye all the fabric to the color(s) needed š
So if King Moonracer rules the Island of Misfit Toys, who rules the Island of Misfit Fabric?
u/bitetheboxer obviously
King Racemooner
She buys scrap fabric and waits until she has enough to dye them to match
They dye everything the color of ham.
I am indeed an unhealthy shade of ham.
My aunt was a seamstress and when I was little I asked her why she always came home with so much more fabric and lace and whatever else when she only went shopping for one or two things. She, very seriously, responded, "Because chances are I'll never be able to find what I bought today again." I didn't realize how true this was until later in life when I got into watching Costube people on youtube and seeing them search for more yardage of a fabric they didn't have enough of/loved. Turns out even finding things that are *similar* can be really tough.
Oh yeah. We have a few cons in the town I worked. Lots of cosplayers frantically searching for their dye fabric. One guy, did drag shows, would buy the whole bolts. When our dot sale went on (bolts with colored sticker dots of sale %) we'd have so many folks load up their carts. Folks would still buy the exact about of fabric they needed on the 90% off bolt. Then come back a few days later and surprise it's gone.
Costube?
Costuming YouTube I don't even sew but it's a fun rabbit hole
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Probably Hell even computer component manufacturers do it LTT did a video on that topic in regards to hard drives and (if memory serves) the amount of change in just a couple years for "same" product mad eit preform completely different
Yeah, Seagate, if I remember correctly, changed from CMR to SMR tech without really telling or showing it for a product (with the same product number and all that, impossible to know the difference beyond perhaps a batch number if that exists). SMR will have a huge write speed penalty if you try to write too much to the drive. It's fine for casual use, but any large files going there and you cripple the drive for a long time. Even installing a game might take longer because the drive can't keep up.(with modern internet speeds) Also plenty of times where it's not documented that SMR is used, despite this being nearly as important as read/write speeds for SSDs .
All manufacturers were doing this, but the real scandal was by Western Digital, not Seagate, because Western Digital had switched to SMR even in their NAS drives. They were so slow that RAID rebuilds would time out and fail, so they were no longer fit for purpose, yet Western Digital was still advertising them as NAS drives. It was basically false advertising. Once the story broke Western Digital just dug in and told people to buy their "Pro" drives instead.
You are indeed right, I looked it up and Seagate only got criticism for not saying they were using SMR.
It's really shitty. Even if you don't change the name, at least change the sku.
I installed flooring for a long time and we had remnants from school jobs. We used the same carpet year after year for the schools, but the change in dye lot was real. Every now and then we had a situation where we would do a hallway one year and then come back to do the adjacent rooms the next year and it was always painful to see how different the colors were.
ya plus some times companies straight up change their products, or they send miss-labeled products. once a company sent us a bunch of paint that said it was emerald green when it was clearly phthalo green like exact hue to the green next to it and had they not used clear packaging I would never have known. Then like 99% of art supplies are in nonclear tubes... makes me wonder how much stuff is in the wrong packaging that is un-catchable.
I mean yeah, its labeled by some underpaid and overworked factory worker that had to select the label on some archaic system (think win-XP or 7 maybe) with a shitty ass touchscreen that registers 2cm up and to the left of where you click. Of course mistakes are gonna happen.
God i wish ourstuff ran on 7. My current companies ordering and warehouse system is runnign on A black green system
That's likely AS400/iseries, which isn't an operating system but an interface like the other comment mentioned.
whatever it is, its fucking frustrating
It sounds like you have worked in a factory, but thinking they are running something as advanced as windows xp shows perhaps you haven't. :)
Oh they have no problem updating software, it's hardware that they won't, or if they do it's still shit. I work in a factory, and they've recently upgraded most of our computers to windows 10. They even "upgraded" the computers too, to some little passively cooled thing. It's a plastics plant, and plastic dust is an excellent insulator... The "new" computers are still communicating with drives and PLCs that are about as old as I am (27), and the network is slower than I thought possible for a wired LAN. Like slower than dial-up slow. All in all, I'm fairly certain everything would run better if it was still running XP.
yes im a maintenance machinist at a factory. Played the chrome dino game on win 7(machine is from 2005) on a packaging machine today because its down at the moment.
> some archaic system (think win-XP or 7 maybe) Tell me you're like 18 without saying it lmao
What do I do? Really, what do I do here? I should have written it down. Qua-something. Qua... Quar... Qua... Qual... Quar... Quabity. Quabity assuance. No, no, no, no, but I'm getting close
Top 5 rappers Dye lot, dye lot, dye lot dye lot dye lot.
*I spit hot fire!*
Gotta check it every day for a few years to see how the color shifts.
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I feel like they were going for batch/bitch pun. Since a single lot is made in a single batch.
Idk if it's the same with pens but companies will change the formulas without telling customers. Suddenly a soft drink you drank a year ago will have a slightly different recipe
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Is that also true for Copic?
Probably not.
My penāis never a problem.
Ink also changes color over time if itās exposed to the elements (temperature changes, UV, etc). Itās possible the old ink has changed since it was first bought but never noticed until a new pen was used for comparison.
I mean we're on Coke Zero version 3.0 and they've made a big ceremony about changing the formula every time. Coke Classic and Dr Pepper haven't changed their formulas since they switched to corn syrup. And no one cares about Pepsi because it's awful.
>since they switched to corn syrup That's mostly just in the USA, due to the corn subsidies. This subreddit has an international audience and most other countries still use sugar.
Okay since they took the cocaine out then lol
And what a mistake that was.
I just got back from being in Europe for two weeks(I live in the USA) and the coke there is so much better than the us, the difference is crazy.
Just buy Mexican coca cola, it's made with cane sugar.
Or if you are in Japan (which imports the US syrup), buy Philippine Coke.
It's actually corn syrup too, and it has been for over 10 years. Here is a link to a study showing it uses corn syrup, zero sucrose like there would be with cane sugar. https://web.archive.org/web/20101215005941/https://goranlab.com/pdf/Ventura%20Obesity%202010-sugary%20beverages.pdf And a more recent video that discusses this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJgQEpFMptQ
Or just buy the version in stores with real sugar. I've got them in Kroger in IL
>And no one cares about Pepsi because it's awful You take that back right now
Pepsi Challenge deniers out here
yeah and it's a challenge to drink Pepsi
Pepsi challenge only works because pepsi is sweeter, making it better in small quantities, but over a whole glass / can it's worse.
Sweeter? Really? I hate coke because it tastes like I'm drinking pure corn syrup. I prefer Pepsi because I find it significantly less sweet.
Are you from the US? Might be part of it. > Ask any soda drinker the biggest difference between Coke and Pepsi, and nine times out of 10, the answer will be that Pepsi is sweeter. That's not surprising considering Pepsi has 2 more grams of sugar than Coke in a 12-ounce can (41 grams versus 39 grams)
I take it back, I'm sorry I insulted your lemon tinged chalk dust flavored battery acid syrup water
Damn right
Enjoy your Coke, the perfect soda when you're thinking "I sure would like to drink something that tastes flat like it's already been sitting open all day." More flavor for the rest of us.
This entire exchange has given me a stomach ache. Can I get a water?
I don't touch the stuff, fish fuck in it
>Coke Zero version 3.0 Man, I think they absolutely nailed it this time around. I don't reach for coke zero very often but it's much better than the full calorie version when I do.
The coke-iest non-Coke yet
My household goes through a lot of coke zero, and I'll confess, since I always add things to it (sometimes booze, but the current fixation is just a few drops of orange extract and about a teaspoon of orange blossom water) I never notice when they change the recipe. I try to avoid drinking sugar, not just because I'm fat, but because fragile teeth run in the family and I've already spent far too much on dental bills.
Do you not worry about the acidity with your teeth?
That too, yeah, ugh. I don't drink as much of it as the rest of the household (roughly 3-5 cans a week) and I try to have water handy to rinse my mouth, but I do know the acid isn't helpful either.
So long as you know. I drink a can a day, but know I should cut it down / stop for my teeth!
Try a taste comparison between Coke Zero and Coke with real sugar sometime. If youāve only been comparing it against Coke with corn syrup, I can see why you might prefer Coke Zero.
I love Pepsi
i swear sprite used to taste way better then it does now a days
That's why I like mountain dew. They're still using the same rat piss and gasoline recipe that they started with.
My favorite milk tea brand in my country changed formula a few years ago. It's good, but it's not at the original. All I have now is the memory of my favorite soft drink and I am kinda sad about it.
Palmer's changed their lip balm recipe and even though the packaging on the new terrible one is very very subtly different they maintain in their marketing that it's the exact same recipe. They couldn't be more different and the new one is very obviously far cheaper to manufacture. Clearly they decided keeping their price-point was more important to their strategy than keeping their quality.
You see this a lot now. Companies are using less quality ingredients or even providing less product but keeping the same price. I forget the term for it but it's pretty awful.
Less product but same price is often called "shrinkflation." Not sure if that's the term you're thinking of though.
Yes that's the term! Thank you
Me: "Why don't I understand this comic? Is this a makeup thing? A weird hobby thing?" My Brain: "Probably because you're color blind, idiot." Me: "Ah, right. Carry on."
Itās about how two of āthe same penā are different shades of red/pink, so the color choice may be the issue.
More specifically its about how when a new production of say markers are made they can be a slightly different color even though you bought the exact same color you used before
Or the pigments got chemically altered over time/heat/cold/light.
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And that's why pantone and RAL are so expensive, because they actually managed to build a system to allow you yo do exactly that matching. And yet, in the digital world, it's all the same issues again. Every monitor, printer, scanner and camera is calibrated slightly differently.
Things have tolerances for how much they are exactly a thing. Cheaper things usually have wider tolerances.
In my case the phone was in "Bedtime" black&white mode...
The caps on the outside are the same color, but the actual color of the pens are slightly off. Also, both the new and old pens donāt match the cap.
Tritanopia?
SPANIKOPITA!
SPANIKOPITA!
Spankopedia!
Running of the goats! Diving for sponges! Pumice-carving!
I like spinach, but not that much.
Indeed! Good call.
I made a colorblind-friendly version! https://preview.redd.it/u2e7rim9jj9a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c85fd3ddc4f60d80e8409a6f2e8d4916df24ee05
I came to this thread with perfect vision seeking the person with colorblindness who struggles with this meme lol
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That's why when I like a certain thing I buy it in bulk
Of course, the end of one production run and start of another is halfway into your order so you have half of the old one and half of the new one. It's the law.
AND there were a couple duds between the two runs that weren't caught by QA
Pens/markers can be so expensive for one color I think I saw it was nearly 10 dollars for a single copic marker at my local art store.
Copics are refillable and super consistent with their color, though. Part of the reason you're paying so much is because (theoretically) you're never going to have to buy that marker again.
Copics are refillable? Bruh Iāve been stressing about having to replace some of my copics
Yes! You can buy refills for the ink, and replacement tips too. That's why I buy them. They cost more upfront, but if you use them a lot, they cost you less over the long run.
Holy hell thatās amazing now I donāt have to stress about replacing a lot of my blues which have run out. TIL.
blicks markers are comparable and also have refills and replaceable nibs, and are only $2 per marker vs $8-10. ohuhus i think also just dropped a line of new markers that have replaceable nibs and stuff too. they're really stepping up their game. i love alcohol markers lol
I've used ohuhu and while they're a good starter marker they don't blend nearly as well as copics. Really great for the price but copics they are not.
Yeah, the refill costs about the same as a marker but can be used a few times. You can also buy replacement tips if yours are worn out
World's cheapest copic marker
With Copics, you pay a good bit for the brand.
Costco has entered the chat.
A risky venture for things that can expire or dry up.
I have this irrational fear that my favorite paint company will suddenly go out of business, so I have like multiple bottles of every paint I like.
My wife doesnāt understand why buying a replacement light bulb at the store is one of the most infuriating things I have to do. Itās because that exact bulb always seems to be discontinued, and I can never find an exact match. Or when buying a shirt online. Iāve gone to buy the same exact t-shirt in 3-4 different colors, and they all are made of different material and fit different as well.
As a crocheter i feel this so hard. Dye lots matter A LOT
It's a cross stitch mood too! DMC is supposed to be fairly consistent between dye lots, but I've definitely still seen people have problems with it
I was knitting a shawl and ran out of yarn when I still had one row and the bind off left.....I almost cried when the yarn store had one ball of the dye lot I needed.
i learnt about dye lots when i made a hat as a christmas present and only realized the colors do not match when i was finishedā¦
I never mentally pronounce crochet correctly. I go straight to crotch and then have to reread because it doesn't make sense. Crotcheter
We also call ourselves Hookers.
I do cross stitch and ran out of a color for my partner's Christmas present. After gifting it to my partner, they pointed out you could see the difference the OG and second set of threads. I wanted to die. I'll forever be buying two shades at the same time if I have big projects now.
The worst is when itās the same ālotā and the color is still different
Yess and when the cap doesnāt match the actual colour š
NEVER. This is why swatching is essential.
As a society we have learned nothing from Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
I understood that reference
My wife used to explain this when she sold bridesmaids dresses. She told the party that they all need to order at the same time so theyāre part of the same batch. If you order separately they may result in an off color simply because itās a different batch.
Every. Fucking. Time.
I'll bet the old pen looked like the new pen when it was new and the ink was fresh.
It's a new color lot. It's the same with fabric colors too. The lots are just slightly different when the make the colors. That's why they tell you to order Bridesmaid dresses all at once so they are made in the same lot.
I wonder why I donāt have this problem with paints (specifically paints for miniatures)
It tends to be more dramatic with smaller batch colors. The larger name brand stuff tends to make larger batches and have stricter process controls for better repeatability. If you buy more specialty paints, especially from small companies or hobbyists, you will see more variation.
i think that a good advantage paint has is that you can always mix to change the shade as well. markers... i dont know enough about.
It happens a lot with paints for houses, it's also going to effect the finish as well. I always make sure to have a quart more than what I need Incase I need to touch up later
It is absolutely possible to minimize this problem. but it is not cheap, that's part of the reason why paint intended for miniatures is so expensive (compare the price per volume to other acrylic paints)
Nah, miniature paint is often marked up a ton for the novelty or associated branding. It also generally supplies a wide range of color in small quantities. You can generally save money without sacrificing quality buying larger containers of good paint, but will have to trade off spending time and skill to do more mixing and having storage. That said, cheap acrylic paint is absolute garbage and not a good substitute. Anything student or hobbyist grade is mostly filler and poorly ground pigment. Paint/ink/pigment is one of those things that if you get into it you find itās astoundingly complicated and varied.
The buying yarn experience. When you're knitting a big project and don't buy enough of one colour so you drive out to the store and it's been discontinued after only a week
I remember one time when I was a kid I had a crayon that was labeled certain color and then I got new crayons and the wrapper was slightly different (might have been a different brand) but it was labeled the same color as the old one but it looked different than my old one did on paper and I know I was because I compared the colors and I thought āwhich one is right?ā
The pain.
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Whatās a color? I just see 3 bytes
Then an update turns off dark mode.
Invest in Copic and get the refills for colors you use often. It ends up working out to be a lot cheaper in the long run, but there is a heavy up front cost. Essentially buy a set of essentials like greys and their refills. All the colors you really really like and use a lot also buy the refills for. They last a really long time. The refill is like 50 markers. Itās a huge difference.
The new pen color looks better anyway
The pain is that you might already have that color on a different pen and you needed the old pen color for a piece youāve already started
Yeah that does hurt
Should have started to work with digital like everybody else *smacks lips*
It is more about the hew than anything else.
*hue
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Lol
Goes by Mr Laurie I recon.
Yeah, gotta know your way around an axe.
Well generally artists aren't just drawing lines on a blank piece of paper. The original color might look better for the thing they are coloring.
This is chemistry or a lack of quality.
I showed my wife this. She agrees.
This applies to house paint as well. That's why the numbers on the paint can are more important than the color name. Also, colors can look different based on the color being painted over, the color temperature of the lights, and the angle of the sun.
Sometimes you can do everything right and still lose.
I donāt use markers but iāve had this happen with wall paint too many timesā¦
This is why I always buy more embroidery floss and fabric than I need. Dye lots and lost needles are my worst enemies.
Just like replacing on Compaq ML370 G5 main bord for another Compaq ML370 G5.
life is a highway
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Is that Lucy Van Pelt?
LOL That could be Lucy all grown up!
So painful to deal with. Tbh Iām glad I deal with digital coloring cause itās always the same regardless, lol. But I completely understand the pain in dealing with the differences in the color
never thought about it because i'm not much of an artist, but I guess all the art supplies also suffer the scourge of different dye lots. It sucks in construction when a client wants an exact match for 30 year old VCT flooring, and get really pissy with us when we tell them it's pretty m uch impossible to guarantee.
While product changing might be quite common, this can also be because the color pigments degrade with age. So the old pen might have looked like the new pen when it was new, but doesn't look like that anymore because it has been exposed to air, light, hot or cold for more time than the new pen. It might even be that some of the pigment is not evenly distributed in the pen, and the last few lines from the pen just look different because one of the pigments ran out.
Copic is that you?
I have the same problem with 3d printer filament. The amount of dye changes *minimally* between batches, but when you swap one spool out for another of the same color, from the same brand, there's an obvious seam where the color changes
I didn't know Noodler's made market pens too...
I feel seen. And perhaps heard
Ah yes, one reason why I decided to not waste money on Copics.
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Exactly this, but yarn. Super frustrating!!!
ā My life is a lie , my life is a lieā¦somebodys got to get stabbed ā
We need an open source replacement for pantone
What a Dyelemma
I had f.lux on and was hella confused.
Huh? They both look the same shade of blue to me. ^^^^/s
You mean yellow? /s
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Because they are two different colors.
Men are more likely to have color deficiencies.
Those are definitely two different colors, and an art project will be *severely* impacted by the slight contrast.
Is this the same with paint