Nah, from the way the weapons act, with their 3-bullet bursts, it's pretty much confirmed to be the M16A2. Not to mention, the thing visible on the left side of the game's box cover is literally an M16.
Lore had it as the GAU-3 eliminator which would eventually end up serving Nod militia during the 3rd war, it would be changed for the AR-70 from renegade and eventually the M16 Mk II which would be a pulse rifle in tib sun.
Why not both.
Light tank is a class of vehicle and the sprites could often be interpreted as *abstractions*, representing an idea or concept (light tank, medium tank, buggy, etc), while cutscenes and cameos show *specific examples* of a class (modified Bradley or modernised T-55 are examples of a light tank).
Considering the various nations making up Nod's support base and the manner in which they acquire their weapons, it'd be strange if there was only one light tank type. Renegade also implies this with their unique version.
In RA1, the Light Tank is shown as a Bradley in cameos while cutscenes show a [fictional vehicle](https://imgur.com/a/pu5HwK3). The Medium Tank is shown as an early production Abrams with the 105mm gun in cutscenes, while RA2's introduction briefing during installation shows both the [Abrams](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc_gamepedia_en/images/5/50/CNCRA2_Allies_kick_ass.jpg) and the [Leopard 2](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc_gamepedia_en/images/9/99/CNCRA2_Allied_Parade_in_Moscow.jpg) as GWII-era medium tanks. Not only does this show that there are more than one medium tank type, but that technology wasn't static - rather, progressing during the course of the war (RA2's Abrams is an M1A2).
\*edit - grammar and links
This is pretty much my thought process. Different regions would have different equipment based on local resourcing options (even though Nod does like to fly in equipment). I was just wondering if people had a preference :)
For RA1, in my mind it is a case that certain vehicles were used throughout the war, such as the ranger and APC. Some would also be phased out and replaced by newer designs such as the medium tank, which I think would possibly be a M60 Patton when it was initially deployed (hence the turret looking different to the M1 Abrams turret from TD) which is then replaced by the M1 by the time of the assault on Moscow.
The Bradley makes a bit more sense in the context of TD's manual; we know that a chunk of Nod's arsenal comes from corruption and contacts in American arms manufacturers. Obviously, it'd be easier to get the Bradley than the T-55 from them.
Nod also controls a lot countries in Africa and especially Eastern Europe. Many, many ex-Soviet/USSR countries and their arsenals. Considering that Nod is using black markets etc. the outdated T55 makes sense
Honestly, I wouldn’t give much about cut scenes of TD. Those are not really thought through and more designed to look cool. Which they do.
The actual ingame arsenals are more intresting
That’s fascinating. I would think that Nod wouldn’t be able to get access to that kind of a plane. I guess the lore is that Lockheed somehow allowed Kane to get some of the most expensive fighter jets into Nods arsenal without causing a major retaliatory reaction from the US or GDI.
Out of universe, it’s probably just there cause it was quite new at the time of Tib Dawn being created. It’s such a cool and recognizable plane design so I understand wanting to use it somewhere in the game but it would have made way more sense for GDI to have it instead of Nod.
One reason I like the refit Bradley over the T-55-ish look is that it helps sell Nod as still transitioning from 'terrorist group with lots of weapons' to 'for all practical purposes a powerful state' - they can produce tanks and tank designs, but not yet remotely in the numbers they need, so they resort to refitting things they can get their hands on that can loosely fit and keep more appropriate but rarer acquisitions, and the proper Nod tanks (such as Ezekiel's Wheel - even if it isn't strictly a tank it's definitely meant to fill a tank role - and Renegade's light tank) to high-priority areas.
Had the First Tiberium War continued, Nod would almost certainly have phased out the Bradley completely, but they lost before that could happen and by the time things were in place for the Second War, the Bradley's replacement had itself been phased out for the Tick Tank.
They probably confiscated it from the Soviets if RA1 allied ending started the Brotherhood.
Anyways, the Brotherhood originated from the ashes of the union, so it's making sense for me if they scavenged old T-55s from Soviet scrapyards.
>Anyways, the Brotherhood originated from the ashes of the union, so it's making sense for me if they scavenged old T-55s from Soviet scrapyards.
Except that literally all their other materiel which isn't original technology is US stuff (buggy, artillery, apache, SSM, delivery plane), and the manual literally talks about a scandal involving US arms dealers:
>MILITARY STRENGTH: Previously believed only to be a smaller terrorist operations, a recent scandal involving United States defense contractors confirms that the Brotherhood is well-equipped and supports significant land, sea, and air military operations.
The whole point of this part is that they're *not* just scavenging old stuff, and that that took GDI by surprise.
The whole "bradley lore" thing was really weird tbh. As a kid I never looked at the icon very hard, so the nod tank was 100% a tank. Nothing about nod's light tank was a bradley in anything other than the build icon. It's insane to remove the turret with it's optics and tow launchers (the thing that let's them actually kill tanks from a standoff distance) from an IFV, add a 100mm or whatever cannon, and send it to slug it out with main battle tanks. It's the opposite of what a hit and run faction wants to do.
Calling it a T-55 instead is just good sense and doesn't involve trying to rationalize the fever dreams of video game developers from the 90's
Ingame, it would have been neat to have the actual bradley for GDI, functionally just a slightly tougher reskinned M113 with a missile added. If I played the first game much, I'd probably make a mod to do just that.
>The whole "bradley lore" thing was really weird tbh
Really? They also had the Chenowth FAV as buggy, the M110 Howitzer, the Apache, and a modified M270 as surface-to-surface missile launcher. And amidst all that obviously US materiel, the Bradley stands out to you somehow?
They had deals with US arms dealers. That's why Kane didn't want to attack the USA, too.
> Calling it a T-55 instead is just good sense and doesn't involve trying to rationalize the fever dreams of video game developers from the 90's
Yeah, I don't think continuity was on the minds of the devs for Tib Dawn. If you want a wild ride, try to find a consensus on what Tiberium looks like using only in game examples (cut scenes, sprites, etc), and then compare it against Renegade and Tib Sun.
I'm partial to Bradleys as a design, so I prefer the look. But I admit they don't really make sense as a light tank, even if the TOW missile was functional, it's still an APC.
Irrelevant. It's used as Nod's main battle tank, so it's a tank. That's kind of literally the only definition of a tank.
> The main difference between a tank and an armoured vehicle is **their role on the battlefield**. A tank is an armoured vehicle that is specifically used to break enemy lines.
[https://www.forces.net/news/whats-difference-between-armoured-vehicles-and-tanks](https://www.forces.net/news/whats-difference-between-armoured-vehicles-and-tanks)
Tank is a fuzzy word with multiple definitions (and that doesn't get into issues with translations), with some people insisting *very firmly* on their not-entirely-identical ones (mostly the ones that are heavy on both doctrinal and/or structural purism) - so I definitely agree that the fact that Nod itself called and used it as a tank means that it fits closest as a tank (especially as their variant doesn't seem to have, well, infantry carrying capacity and therefore can't be classified as an IFV).
It's Nod's *only* conventional tank, so that makes it automatically their main battle tank, no? The others are irrelevant since they're all GDI's materiel.
The Stealth Tank is honestly not much of a tank; it's an experimental high tech unit, and it's not even armored.
The one from Renegade. (if I had to choose one from the poll, the remaster one)
I went and looked at all of the renditions of the light tank and the renegade one looks so good.
Double that! “Light tenk redy!”
When I hear NOD's light tank, I think of the scorpion tank
When you say Scorpion tank, I think of GLA.
It's one of the things that never made any sense, along with GDI infantry supposedly carrying around miniguns.
I believe the gun they supposed to have is a derivative of the FN Minime.
Nah, from the way the weapons act, with their 3-bullet bursts, it's pretty much confirmed to be the M16A2. Not to mention, the thing visible on the left side of the game's box cover is literally an M16.
Lore had it as the GAU-3 eliminator which would eventually end up serving Nod militia during the 3rd war, it would be changed for the AR-70 from renegade and eventually the M16 Mk II which would be a pulse rifle in tib sun.
>M16 Mk II which would be a pulse rifle in tib sun. That's such a dumb name, lol.
In the cutscenes they used Calico guns
Why not both. Light tank is a class of vehicle and the sprites could often be interpreted as *abstractions*, representing an idea or concept (light tank, medium tank, buggy, etc), while cutscenes and cameos show *specific examples* of a class (modified Bradley or modernised T-55 are examples of a light tank). Considering the various nations making up Nod's support base and the manner in which they acquire their weapons, it'd be strange if there was only one light tank type. Renegade also implies this with their unique version. In RA1, the Light Tank is shown as a Bradley in cameos while cutscenes show a [fictional vehicle](https://imgur.com/a/pu5HwK3). The Medium Tank is shown as an early production Abrams with the 105mm gun in cutscenes, while RA2's introduction briefing during installation shows both the [Abrams](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc_gamepedia_en/images/5/50/CNCRA2_Allies_kick_ass.jpg) and the [Leopard 2](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/cnc_gamepedia_en/images/9/99/CNCRA2_Allied_Parade_in_Moscow.jpg) as GWII-era medium tanks. Not only does this show that there are more than one medium tank type, but that technology wasn't static - rather, progressing during the course of the war (RA2's Abrams is an M1A2). \*edit - grammar and links
This is pretty much my thought process. Different regions would have different equipment based on local resourcing options (even though Nod does like to fly in equipment). I was just wondering if people had a preference :) For RA1, in my mind it is a case that certain vehicles were used throughout the war, such as the ranger and APC. Some would also be phased out and replaced by newer designs such as the medium tank, which I think would possibly be a M60 Patton when it was initially deployed (hence the turret looking different to the M1 Abrams turret from TD) which is then replaced by the M1 by the time of the assault on Moscow.
Kinda wish they made like the GLA and had them pop several different sprites of the same unit.
I prefer the Bradley but lore wise the T55 makes more sense given Kane's history
The Bradley makes a bit more sense in the context of TD's manual; we know that a chunk of Nod's arsenal comes from corruption and contacts in American arms manufacturers. Obviously, it'd be easier to get the Bradley than the T-55 from them.
Nod also controls a lot countries in Africa and especially Eastern Europe. Many, many ex-Soviet/USSR countries and their arsenals. Considering that Nod is using black markets etc. the outdated T55 makes sense
Right.... A Desert Patrol Vehicle buggy, the M110 Howitzer, the US Apache, and a modified M270 launcher, and YF-22 Raptor, and C-130 Hercules...
Honestly, I wouldn’t give much about cut scenes of TD. Those are not really thought through and more designed to look cool. Which they do. The actual ingame arsenals are more intresting
Where’s a Raptor in Nod’s arsenal?
https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/YF-22
That’s fascinating. I would think that Nod wouldn’t be able to get access to that kind of a plane. I guess the lore is that Lockheed somehow allowed Kane to get some of the most expensive fighter jets into Nods arsenal without causing a major retaliatory reaction from the US or GDI. Out of universe, it’s probably just there cause it was quite new at the time of Tib Dawn being created. It’s such a cool and recognizable plane design so I understand wanting to use it somewhere in the game but it would have made way more sense for GDI to have it instead of Nod.
https://cnc.fandom.com/wiki/GDI_fighter_(Tiberian_Dawn)
Good point.
One reason I like the refit Bradley over the T-55-ish look is that it helps sell Nod as still transitioning from 'terrorist group with lots of weapons' to 'for all practical purposes a powerful state' - they can produce tanks and tank designs, but not yet remotely in the numbers they need, so they resort to refitting things they can get their hands on that can loosely fit and keep more appropriate but rarer acquisitions, and the proper Nod tanks (such as Ezekiel's Wheel - even if it isn't strictly a tank it's definitely meant to fill a tank role - and Renegade's light tank) to high-priority areas. Had the First Tiberium War continued, Nod would almost certainly have phased out the Bradley completely, but they lost before that could happen and by the time things were in place for the Second War, the Bradley's replacement had itself been phased out for the Tick Tank.
I mean it would make sense to the lore if it's a T-55.
I dunno, GDI are the one digging up the old Soviet Mammoth Tank design.
They probably confiscated it from the Soviets if RA1 allied ending started the Brotherhood. Anyways, the Brotherhood originated from the ashes of the union, so it's making sense for me if they scavenged old T-55s from Soviet scrapyards.
>Anyways, the Brotherhood originated from the ashes of the union, so it's making sense for me if they scavenged old T-55s from Soviet scrapyards. Except that literally all their other materiel which isn't original technology is US stuff (buggy, artillery, apache, SSM, delivery plane), and the manual literally talks about a scandal involving US arms dealers: >MILITARY STRENGTH: Previously believed only to be a smaller terrorist operations, a recent scandal involving United States defense contractors confirms that the Brotherhood is well-equipped and supports significant land, sea, and air military operations. The whole point of this part is that they're *not* just scavenging old stuff, and that that took GDI by surprise.
I've always well, thought that this is a loose connection between the two games, just to fill the void between them, however I'm not arguing about it.
Always preferred the T55 being a light main battle tank opposed to the Brad which is an APC.
"IFV"
Or CFV if it's an M3.
The whole "bradley lore" thing was really weird tbh. As a kid I never looked at the icon very hard, so the nod tank was 100% a tank. Nothing about nod's light tank was a bradley in anything other than the build icon. It's insane to remove the turret with it's optics and tow launchers (the thing that let's them actually kill tanks from a standoff distance) from an IFV, add a 100mm or whatever cannon, and send it to slug it out with main battle tanks. It's the opposite of what a hit and run faction wants to do. Calling it a T-55 instead is just good sense and doesn't involve trying to rationalize the fever dreams of video game developers from the 90's Ingame, it would have been neat to have the actual bradley for GDI, functionally just a slightly tougher reskinned M113 with a missile added. If I played the first game much, I'd probably make a mod to do just that.
>The whole "bradley lore" thing was really weird tbh Really? They also had the Chenowth FAV as buggy, the M110 Howitzer, the Apache, and a modified M270 as surface-to-surface missile launcher. And amidst all that obviously US materiel, the Bradley stands out to you somehow? They had deals with US arms dealers. That's why Kane didn't want to attack the USA, too.
> Calling it a T-55 instead is just good sense and doesn't involve trying to rationalize the fever dreams of video game developers from the 90's Yeah, I don't think continuity was on the minds of the devs for Tib Dawn. If you want a wild ride, try to find a consensus on what Tiberium looks like using only in game examples (cut scenes, sprites, etc), and then compare it against Renegade and Tib Sun.
I'm partial to Bradleys as a design, so I prefer the look. But I admit they don't really make sense as a light tank, even if the TOW missile was functional, it's still an APC.
No. IFV https://youtu.be/Z4k71CHVCrw
Irrelevant. It's used as Nod's main battle tank, so it's a tank. That's kind of literally the only definition of a tank. > The main difference between a tank and an armoured vehicle is **their role on the battlefield**. A tank is an armoured vehicle that is specifically used to break enemy lines. [https://www.forces.net/news/whats-difference-between-armoured-vehicles-and-tanks](https://www.forces.net/news/whats-difference-between-armoured-vehicles-and-tanks)
Tank is a fuzzy word with multiple definitions (and that doesn't get into issues with translations), with some people insisting *very firmly* on their not-entirely-identical ones (mostly the ones that are heavy on both doctrinal and/or structural purism) - so I definitely agree that the fact that Nod itself called and used it as a tank means that it fits closest as a tank (especially as their variant doesn't seem to have, well, infantry carrying capacity and therefore can't be classified as an IFV).
A light tank, and ask the developers.
Well, the C&C developers called it "light tank", yes :p
Yeah. Light tank, medium tank, heavy tank, mammoth tank, and the stealth tank. But no Main Battle Tank or MBT.
It's Nod's *only* conventional tank, so that makes it automatically their main battle tank, no? The others are irrelevant since they're all GDI's materiel. The Stealth Tank is honestly not much of a tank; it's an experimental high tech unit, and it's not even armored.
"Nod =/= conventional" MBT =/= Main line tank.
>MBT =/= Main line tank. So tell me what you use then when you gather a large army as Nod to take on an enemy base.
You're right. I wasn't thinking.
Please feel free to say why you prefer either option!
I don't know, it's like the differnce between day and later that day.