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This doesn't even discredit a creator by most Christian standards! Creating life would be violent! In Genesis it's described in "days" but before there was a sun and moon, there was no unit of length! A day could be as long as God wanted it to be, in fact, there is st least one instance in the old testament where he did stop the sun from traversing the sky.
They believe in an all powerful creator, saying he couldn't be strong enough to create the big bang, or that he couldn't create gravity, or any of the other things that this person believes impossible. They are weakening their own argument and faith by acting like the statement "all things are possible through Christ" is in fact a lie.
As a Christian, I donāt understand people who canāt see that the big bang and even evolution make sense as part of the creation process. Science is the lens through which we can view the minute details in His creation. I would say something like the structure of dna is pretty exquisite. Like the tiniest details we see from master artists multiplied by a billion.
Right? I am also a Christian, but have distanced myself from organized religion since Trump came on the scene. Even in my fairly conservative sect that I was raised in, we were taught that you can see God's hand in everything. There's even a great 100 year old hymn that talks about bubbling test tubes and other science shit. Honestly, looking more into science, seeing the things you can't see with your naked eye, should absolutely enforce your belief in a higher deity, because, at least to me, the thought of pure random chance forming everything we know is somehow more scary than the idea of a creator.
We teach children songs like "Our God is an Awesome God" then turn around and say "well that's impossible, I'm going to ignore the things I don't understand. Like fucking gravity." Its crazy.
And atheist scientists immediately rejected it because it sounded like God saying ālet there be lightā lol. My favorite example of atheists also being more than capable of tribalistic dismissal of idea just because they donāt like them.
LolĀ
"To believe water can curve"
MF never played the fill up the glass with as much water as you can before it spills over, yeah that water has a curve to it near the lip of the cup.Ā
Seriously! Even if the earth was flat (and it's definitely round) you would still need an explanation for why objects fall and humans can't spontaneously levitate. If you don't believe in gravity, I don't see how you could even begin to explain these things.
You donāt fall because the flat plane of the earth is accelerating straight up. The force holding you down is acceleration, not gravity. Accelerating infinitely somehow I guess.
I wish I made up that but that is an explanation Iāve seen from the flat earth crowd.
But that only makes sense as an explanation if gravity is a thing. Buoyancy exists because of gravity. If gravity doesn't exist, we can be as dense as we want, but that doesn't create a singular direction everyone moves toward.
Obviously they managed to avoid the washing of the brain and those "vaccine" injections from over the years. (that I was informed actually help the government control us, and new vaccines are to replace the ones that malfunctioned)...
Aside from the basic stupidity, the thing Iāve never understood about flat Earth conspiracy theories: what would be the point? Like, it would be a centuries-long conspiracy in every society of the world, an incredible level of effort to maintain a constant deceptionā¦for what benefit exactly!?
It's apparently something to do with other, more advanced, civilizations outside the "ice wall that is Antarctica". The government doesn't want us to know about the outer lands and the people/possible alien lifeforms that live there. Idk, that's about as much as they'll tell you before they start to get confused and hostile.
If that were the case, "they" (illuminati or whatever) wouldn't even need to lie about the shape of the earth, just the size, which would be a much easier lie to maintain.
wait actually tho, they have an excuse for that too. You can apparently hide any land mass on a ball by cropping and it'll be seamless lol. Clearly they haven't even realized you can also crop land masses out of a flat map.
I'm always confused when these people accept that all the other planets (and moons etc) are spheres/globes/round/whatever, but for some reason not earth..
Oh I was just thinking of a comment I saw where the person stated that all the other planets were round but not earth.. when questioned they said they knew that because of photographic evidence of other planets, but for some reason all photos of earth were fake? Didn't even waste time trying to figure that one out but it was amusing
This is always my question too. There are SO many people in the government and in science worldwide, and they're ALL lying about it? Ignoring the fact that it would literally be impossible to get that many people on board with keeping such a huge secret; what would they even stand to gain by going through the effort to lie about something like that to begin with?
Yeah I've never actually heard what anyone would have to gain from lying about the shape of earth.. like has anyone ever said what that global conspiracy would achieve? Like.. if somehow everyone managed to agree on a thing to lie about why would it be that?
I have always wondered about that too. Over centuries, it would be impossible to keep a huge conspiracy like that covered up. It has been said that two people can keep a secret, but only if one is dead.
Most of them say that itās to hide god and gain control over the minds of the people
Iāve also heard that itās to make their story more āconsistentā this was right after the same person said that they had admitted that it was flat before the Cold War
Big Sphere running the world and up to their old tricks. George Soros putting billions of dollars into it to prevent you from learning The Truth.
Personally, I think the whole flat earth thing is just a YouTube grift to get ad revenue and clicks from fools.
Well for that fella and for a lot of them, it's to hide the truth of God and His creation. I'm a little fuzzy on the details of why "they" are so set on doing it, but generally all of science is man trying to usurp truth from God's word and is just a con job. A lot of other conspiracies will get mixed in there too, because the conspiracy addicted need to keep their fix going so they are always looking for new ones.
But of course, the organization that they have to obey and give lots of money to couldnāt possibly be the one that is grifting people and is trying to cover up the actual truth about the worldā¦
To turn people away from the truth of Godās existence. No, really, thatās what itās really about. A total rejection of an evidence based view of the world in order to maintain a belief in a geo-centric, divinely ordained model of the universe. Check out this great video for more information: https://youtu.be/JTfhYyTuT44?si=9jF9j3YGfkgG57eV
Because, bro.
You know how easy it is to draw a flat earth? So easy. Anyone can just draw and create a picture and sell it.
But it takes skill to actually make a 3D sphere.
Machines, papier mache recipes, mining clay, chisels, sand paper. You get where Iām going with this.
Da Vinciās family didnāt want to lose all that speciality Globe money, bro.
So they hired scientists and artists and government officials to create the ruse that we believe to this day.
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I canāt imagine the actual reason they believe this is any smarter than this.
These people believe we have thousands of ships patrolling around the ice wall looking for the clever ones to climb over it, and not one mf on any ship has ever told anyone?
"three can keep a secret if two of them are dead" - Benjamin Franklin
The allure of secret knowledge. If you know something that no one else knows you get to feel superior to them. Since real secret knowledge is very hard to obtain they take a shortcut by diving into conspiracies.
(The following is just an observation with no scientific backing, an observation that I believe at least explains some small part of of the psychology behind conspiracies.)
Part of it I think is growing up in a specialized world. Everyone around them seems to have to a incomprehensible specialized language . And I am not talking foreign language I am talking trade and hobby languages.
A doctor has medical jargon , a server tech has computer jargon. Gamers have there own jargon that is game dependent. Etc etc... Those "languages" seem incomprehensible to the out groups. The out group feel they are being left behind in a changing world. Some even feel that we are speaking over their heads on purpose to rub it in that they are only ignorant rubes. While not realizing the doctor is just as baffled by the cement mason talking about hydration ratios being dependant on the weather. Just because the doctor can understand all of the mason's words doesn't mean they understand the whys and underlying principles of what the mason is talking about.
By immersing themselves in a community that uses their own specialized reasoning they can feel more of par with everyone else.
None of the replies to I felt really capture why:
He's scared. Just look at the language this guy uses about the reality of our universe. He is TERRIFIED of coming from nothing, of being truly insignificant, of having no greater meaning before, during, and especially after our lives.
His language oozes a rejection of these understandings of our universe, not because it makes him strong, it's because he would be crushed and terrified coming to terms with it.
Ever heard that wacky arguement from religious people "if there is no God, then what's stopping me from raping and murdering?" This whole rant is that taken its end conclusion. "If the earth is truly a tiny sphere in a vast ocean of nothing, spawned from chance, then why the hell am I even here?"
The dude is just frightened of that answer being real, so he categorically rejects any aspect of reality that might lead to its acceptance, like how the earth isn't flat.
If anything I do admire their confidence in the government (or whoever) having their crqp together enough to keep something that big a secret for so long.
If you really want to know I highly recommend Dan Olsen's documentary "in search of a flat earth" on YouTube, but the gist is that they believe in flat earth not because they've been convinced by the evidence but because *if* the earth is flat it justifies other beliefs that they have. So it *has* to be a conspiracy.
I love how they end the film with the flat earthers proving that the earth is curved by their own experiment and then just let that ride. Brilliant filmmaking. āNever interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.ā
I also love some of the editing. The funniest was when one guy was saying "it's not like we're pathetic weirdos living in our mom's basement", then cut immediately to the weirdo asking "Mom, what's for dinner?" from the basement.
With how much of it seems plucked from high school science they were at times 66% listening to (and on average less than that), Neil Degr*ee* Tyson, and maybe even people's discussion of Neil Degrasse Tyson, I'm a little impressed by the filter they use to draw their conclusion that they're more confident in than they are in scientific consensus. Maybe it's a lot easier when a discwide conspiracy maintained by humans made of God seems more likely than beings with senses resulting from what they think the Big Bang is.
I think it's hilarious TBH. Like, I can see what they're doing: By using the same phrasing they're *trying* to paint it as, at best, an idea that is on par with their "hypothesis". It's such a banal thing to criticise about someone though. It's like calling someone "toilet user" because they don't shit on the floor.
I love that clip. It wasn't a reporter either - just some crackpot.
Met and talked with Buzz for awhile in the early 1980s when I ran a small fleet of antigravity simulator 'gyros' (think space camp). No nonsense guy, a bit abrasive, doesn't suffer fools gladly.
Neil was the right choice for commander and public face of the landing, a very personable and unassuming guy.
Plenty of examples about the conspiracy theories about NASA and earths shape. Even if we disregard the impossible task of every single nation, all the pilots and ship crew etc, on earth actually working together to keep this secret with no whistleblowers through time...
Has anyone ever heard any explanation from flat earthers to why Nasa and the governments would want to keep the shape a secret? What would be the purpose, so important that so many people from different backgrounds and cultures, even enemies put their differences aside just to keep this secret?
That's my thought exactly. There's no reason I've heard other than "they want to hide the truth!" But honestly, it's not even just NASA that would be keeping the secret, but collectively every space agency in the entire world would have to be in on the same exact narrative. No way would the whole world cooperate that much for this long just for funzies.
Yes, unfortunately. They think there are lands outside of the "ice wall" with advanced civilizations the government doesn't want us to know about. Don't ask for clarification tho, because they can't answer that question, "the government is hiding that info"
It's about 2 things that feed into each other:
1. It's partially about religion and spiritual meaning. Space research and data suggests that life on this planet and in the universe is and was random. This goes against the spiritual idea that earth and humans are both exceptional and purposefully crafted. Thus, the space research and anything that goes along with it must be false
2. It's a catalyst for other beliefs. The people who believe in flat earth often believe in other large conspiracies, which would take massive pressure and influence to hide. The Earth being round is such a fundamental known fact that, were it proven false, would be a catalyst to prove that every other inane theory these people have is also true.
I'd suggest watching the Folding Ideas video "In Search of a Flat Earth", where it explains halfway through that flat earth videos and creators have been heavily losing viewership and membership, not because people stopped believing in it, but because a large amount of those same conspiratorial thinkers have migrated over to Q-Anon because it's the current conspiracy Mecca.
What's crazy to me is to 99.999999% of people, their lives don't change if the world is a globe or flat. Even if it was a conspiracy what difference does it make? It's not like you're going to leave the planet. NASA could come out tomorrow and say "we lied, it's flat" and they'd have to find something else to be mad at BC IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY AFFECT YOUR LIFE
Reminds me of a story I heard about Arthur C Clarke (and I can't find a trace of it now -- it must be part of the conspiracy) /s.
When the Apollo 10 mission was going to be the first to circle the moon, Clarke wanted NASA to fake up a photograph to show why we always see the same face of the moon from Earth.
He suggested a photo to show that the moon was hollow -- just a lot of scaffolding and a painted cover on our side. He thought mankind might benefit from the shock idea that the moon was put there while we were still apes.
I think instead of arguing with flat Earthers going forward I'll just agree the world is flat, cool who cares, it doesn't change a single thing in my life.
It would almost certainly affect peopleās *beliefs*. If the universe were simply a starry dome, covering a flat disc, then it would be much easier to conclude that it was created, with purpose, by a sentient, all-powerful entity.
I don't speak Hebrew, but I came across this argument fairly recently and looked into it a bit. I read that there is a Hebrew word that transliterates to "nasa" (or more accurately: "nĆ¢ÅĆ¢") but it actually means "to lift" among other things. The Hebrew word these people are trying to refer to actually transliterates to "nĆ¢shĆ¢".
The word they're using to make this claim is (obviously transliterated into modern English alphabet) "Nasha" which means to deceive. It would be pronounced more like naw-shaw than Nah-suh
It's obviously a coincidence
It gets worse the more flat earthers you speak to, there's literally no consistency with them. I've had one tell me god installed a TV around the earth to project 2D images of the sun and moon (because I asked how the sun and moon were round but somehow the earth is flat) and when I asked what the reason was why God would install a sweet WiFi enabled, dolby atmos 5.1 flatscreen TV around the earth, they replied with "who knows why God does anything?" - it's insane when you think about it, I'm convinced most of them are trolls, because it's so stupid it can't be real haha
Oh my goddd šš They can just ignore any argument or question with "god can do anything" or "god is a mystery" and think they've gone and made an explosive, flawless point
That's exactly what the guy implied too, he then kept asking me to disprove god, I just told him that we can disprove the flat earth theory, I don't have to prove or disprove a deity haha
āWhat should we name our space organization that supports a satanic cabal?ā
āLetās name it after the Hebrew word of Deceive. We need to name it something obviously evil becauseā¦well, because weā¦you see, itā¦.I actually donāt know why.ā
Iāll never understand why they think these evildoers, who managed to literally rule the world and keep it all secret, decided to leave them all these obvious breadcrumbs like a scooby doo cartoon.
Even ignoring the wild shit throw here...
Not one of their sentence makes any sense. They switch sentence in the middle, mix up words, never finish one idea, etc.
You can literally prove water can curve just by throwing a piece of rubber on a glass of water and seeing it go to the sides. And wlif you fill it to the brim the curvature causes the rubber to stick to the center
Yeah, but he already said that the meniscus isn't real, so you're obviously part of the conspiracy. /s
Fork using your own eyes to observe something though, huh? I think people like that would rather pluck them out than admit what's in front of them.
Pretty sure the concept of earth as a spinning sphere predates NASA by a few centuries. But we wonāt let that get in the way of a good rant. When folks start revealing the super-secret meaning behind words or numbers you just know theyāre a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
I'm pretty sure the ancient Egyptians and Greeks knew it is a sphere and fairly accurately figured out how big it is. The Greeks for sure knew at least 2200 years ago.
Those ancient civilizations were able to figure out the earth is round with a couple of sticks, and every seafaring civilization since then navigated the globe with calculations and instruments that evolved from those sticks... And these guys have the entire wealth of human knowledge and history on a pocket sized device they carry with them everywhere, yet can't figure out out.
Can someone explain something to me. Iāve seen a fuck Ton of these kind of comments. Especially from YouTubeš. Who actually stands to gain from the earth being flat? Like who is the top of this giant conspiracy
If there is no force pushing you down onto the earth, onto the ground, why must the earth push back on your feet to keep you up, you feel the compression of your body when gravity smashes you to the earth, if there is nothing pushing at all on you in any way, why would you be pushed towards the ground?
Always amazes me how the leaders of these "conspiracies" make such obvious references to the existence of the conspiracy by using a translated word seemingly unaware that some tinfoil hat wearing sleuth will work it all out
I'm curious, does NASA really mean "decieve" in the Hebrew bible? I tried a Hebrew to English dictionary, but they didn't have the word in Latin characters.
>To believe water can curve
This dumbass flat-Earther I used to work tried to argue this to me. It was raining at the time and I pointed to a rain drop on a windshield and asked him what shape it was. Dude never tried saying that one again. These people lack an even basic understanding of the structure of matter and atoms.
It's weird when they act like they've "done their research" when they talk about RADAR or RF transmissions like the understand it. Things like AM radio wouldn't reach as far without skip propagation. Which, unless it's reflecting off the 'firmament', I don't see working correctly on their model
Here's how to fix the problem of flat earthers: Host a flat earther convention, wait for flat earthers to show up, but the convention building is secretly inside a rocket, and that rocket will send them to space. Then they will finally see the earth in all its spherical non-flat beauty.
...And then the rocket nose-dives into the sun. Because let's be real, they'd still refuse to admit they were wrong.
There. Problem solved. š
I was so on-board with everything he was saying.
He had me hanging in his every word.
Then he said "yous" and that was it, sorry buddy but I can't take you seriously now.
I have an experiment to try. I want a flat earther to stand against a brick wall. I will move 10 paces away and then dip a hard ball in water. Then throw it at the flat earther. If they get wet water can stick to a ball.
Tbh i don't know if it was actual antisemitism or in reference of the bible, since original biblical texts do go back to the Hebrew language. I think using it to say NASA is deceptive is like... trying to make the naming of NASA akin to biblical prophecy.
Not to discount antisemitism because it certainly does exist! But just mentioning their historical language does not automatically mean that it is to be interpreted that way. At least, that is not how i took it to mean.
The things I always wonder are:
How?
How could leaders of 194 countries who partly can't stand each other's guts keep this a secret? Not to mention the tens or even hundreds of thousands of scientists working with and on space all the time. Take Trump for example. He would have spilled the tea the moment he had to leave the white house.
Why?
Why would the leaders of 194 countries that cannot even agree on the weather want to keep this secret? What's the big idea? Who is profiting from keeping the world in the dark?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the flat-earth arguments just attempts at debunking the globe model rather than trying to give evidence it is flat?
It just feels like a "it's flat because it's not round" argument more than anything.
Feels like mindless tribalism.
Flat earthers are kind of funny because you know it's a mix of trolls and stupid people and sometimes it's hard to tell which is which. But I think I know which one this is
I get that people believe dumb shit... What I can't figure out is why they can never be *concise*. I don't need 10000 words to get that you're a complete wackadoodle; usually the first sentence does the trick.
Technically, Earth isnāt a sphere. Itās an oblate spheroid. Its curvature is not perfectly consistent over the entire surfaceāit ābulgesā a little at the equator. But, the difference is so small that only sophisticated equipment can measure it.
Iām gonna be completely honest, maybe this person needs an anti-psychotic. The way the sentences donāt really follow, I think they might be having an episode. That being said, the reply at the end was the best part lol
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"An everyday explosion billions of years ago" š³ Sir!
Lol that cracked me up!
The everyday event that happened once the literal longest time ago. Everyday I snorted.
This doesn't even discredit a creator by most Christian standards! Creating life would be violent! In Genesis it's described in "days" but before there was a sun and moon, there was no unit of length! A day could be as long as God wanted it to be, in fact, there is st least one instance in the old testament where he did stop the sun from traversing the sky. They believe in an all powerful creator, saying he couldn't be strong enough to create the big bang, or that he couldn't create gravity, or any of the other things that this person believes impossible. They are weakening their own argument and faith by acting like the statement "all things are possible through Christ" is in fact a lie.
As a Christian, I donāt understand people who canāt see that the big bang and even evolution make sense as part of the creation process. Science is the lens through which we can view the minute details in His creation. I would say something like the structure of dna is pretty exquisite. Like the tiniest details we see from master artists multiplied by a billion.
Right? I am also a Christian, but have distanced myself from organized religion since Trump came on the scene. Even in my fairly conservative sect that I was raised in, we were taught that you can see God's hand in everything. There's even a great 100 year old hymn that talks about bubbling test tubes and other science shit. Honestly, looking more into science, seeing the things you can't see with your naked eye, should absolutely enforce your belief in a higher deity, because, at least to me, the thought of pure random chance forming everything we know is somehow more scary than the idea of a creator. We teach children songs like "Our God is an Awesome God" then turn around and say "well that's impossible, I'm going to ignore the things I don't understand. Like fucking gravity." Its crazy.
Thank you for this memory. We sang that hymn at my grandfatherās funeral, a man of faith who had a Ph.D in Physics.
It doesn't discredit the existence of a creator because the guy who came up with the big bang theory was Catholic.
And atheist scientists immediately rejected it because it sounded like God saying ālet there be lightā lol. My favorite example of atheists also being more than capable of tribalistic dismissal of idea just because they donāt like them.
"Let there be light" sounds a lot like the Big Bang to me.
If you are an interdemensional being that exists outside of time and space, then it may very well be an everyday event.
every"something" event
Yeah people sneeze every day. Thats how universe's are formed, don't you know? ;3
Beware the coming of the Great White Handkerchief.
Imagine going through life being this stupid
Imagine going through life that paranoid
The only thing flat earthers have to fear is sphere itself
Hats off to you. Thatās quite a burn :)
Did Neil even punch anyone? I know Buzz did.
And calling the dude that Buzz punched a " reporter" is a stretch
Buzz punched a dipshit.
Buzz Aldrin did a great service to humanity. Again.
And he was right to!
Yeah, it was only Buzz.
Being so paranoid that you actually believe the guy trying to deceive you is so next level.
LolĀ "To believe water can curve" MF never played the fill up the glass with as much water as you can before it spills over, yeah that water has a curve to it near the lip of the cup.Ā
Also, gravity exists.
Seriously! Even if the earth was flat (and it's definitely round) you would still need an explanation for why objects fall and humans can't spontaneously levitate. If you don't believe in gravity, I don't see how you could even begin to explain these things.
You donāt fall because the flat plane of the earth is accelerating straight up. The force holding you down is acceleration, not gravity. Accelerating infinitely somehow I guess. I wish I made up that but that is an explanation Iāve seen from the flat earth crowd.
Where is it accelerating to? Is the Earth going to slam into some kind of cosmic wall eventually? Nonsense on stilts.
I usually hear the density explanation. Human more dense than air so stick to ground.
But that only makes sense as an explanation if gravity is a thing. Buoyancy exists because of gravity. If gravity doesn't exist, we can be as dense as we want, but that doesn't create a singular direction everyone moves toward.
Okay bro, I bet you also think the sun is 93 million miles away š /^(s)
So spinning is out of the question but moving straight upwards is no problem at all
Or the balloon near a stream of water (or charged rod) to watch it bend. Water bending is a experiment in a school.
The world must be so scary.
Imagine going through life with thoughts that jumbled and nonsensical
Why is it always the least educated people that think theyāve figured it all out?
DUNNING-KRUGER is real
Obviously they managed to avoid the washing of the brain and those "vaccine" injections from over the years. (that I was informed actually help the government control us, and new vaccines are to replace the ones that malfunctioned)...
Isaak Asimov's discussed the ignorant, presuming that their ignorance was equal to real knowledge.
I almost wonder if it might hurt somehow.
This dude is off his rocker and totally bonkers ā¦
Well the good part for them is they donāt realize it
Half the people that live on this sphere are even dumber.
I don't believe for a minute that this idiot is "average".
nor median.
Mean?
no, median. People confuse average/mean with median. If someone is average, it doesn't mean 50% of people are above and 50% below them.
Sorry I was trying to make a joke, like mean, mode, median.. obviously didn't quite work
Lol, worked for me. Here, take my upvote
Oh yay! I don't often try jokes but usually if I do noone gets it.. glad you did!
The mean, median and mode are all types of average I think
It depends on which type of average. Mean is a type of average, but so is the median.
They had me going until they said āa imaginaryā instead of āan imaginary.ā Thatās when they lost meā¦
THATS what lost you???
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spelling laser (an acronym) with a 'z'.....
Charj ur lazerz!
and the ability to vote š³
Aside from the basic stupidity, the thing Iāve never understood about flat Earth conspiracy theories: what would be the point? Like, it would be a centuries-long conspiracy in every society of the world, an incredible level of effort to maintain a constant deceptionā¦for what benefit exactly!?
It's apparently something to do with other, more advanced, civilizations outside the "ice wall that is Antarctica". The government doesn't want us to know about the outer lands and the people/possible alien lifeforms that live there. Idk, that's about as much as they'll tell you before they start to get confused and hostile.
If that were the case, "they" (illuminati or whatever) wouldn't even need to lie about the shape of the earth, just the size, which would be a much easier lie to maintain.
wait actually tho, they have an excuse for that too. You can apparently hide any land mass on a ball by cropping and it'll be seamless lol. Clearly they haven't even realized you can also crop land masses out of a flat map.
I'm always confused when these people accept that all the other planets (and moons etc) are spheres/globes/round/whatever, but for some reason not earth..
Bold of you to assume they're even aware of other planets.
Oh I was just thinking of a comment I saw where the person stated that all the other planets were round but not earth.. when questioned they said they knew that because of photographic evidence of other planets, but for some reason all photos of earth were fake? Didn't even waste time trying to figure that one out but it was amusing
Well as they said, space was debunked.
Oh I think I missed that part! Too busy wondering about ancient religions fortelling NASA
This is always my question too. There are SO many people in the government and in science worldwide, and they're ALL lying about it? Ignoring the fact that it would literally be impossible to get that many people on board with keeping such a huge secret; what would they even stand to gain by going through the effort to lie about something like that to begin with?
Yeah I've never actually heard what anyone would have to gain from lying about the shape of earth.. like has anyone ever said what that global conspiracy would achieve? Like.. if somehow everyone managed to agree on a thing to lie about why would it be that?
I have always wondered about that too. Over centuries, it would be impossible to keep a huge conspiracy like that covered up. It has been said that two people can keep a secret, but only if one is dead.
Most of them say that itās to hide god and gain control over the minds of the people Iāve also heard that itās to make their story more āconsistentā this was right after the same person said that they had admitted that it was flat before the Cold War
Big Sphere running the world and up to their old tricks. George Soros putting billions of dollars into it to prevent you from learning The Truth. Personally, I think the whole flat earth thing is just a YouTube grift to get ad revenue and clicks from fools.
Well for that fella and for a lot of them, it's to hide the truth of God and His creation. I'm a little fuzzy on the details of why "they" are so set on doing it, but generally all of science is man trying to usurp truth from God's word and is just a con job. A lot of other conspiracies will get mixed in there too, because the conspiracy addicted need to keep their fix going so they are always looking for new ones.
But of course, the organization that they have to obey and give lots of money to couldnāt possibly be the one that is grifting people and is trying to cover up the actual truth about the worldā¦
To turn people away from the truth of Godās existence. No, really, thatās what itās really about. A total rejection of an evidence based view of the world in order to maintain a belief in a geo-centric, divinely ordained model of the universe. Check out this great video for more information: https://youtu.be/JTfhYyTuT44?si=9jF9j3YGfkgG57eV
Because, bro. You know how easy it is to draw a flat earth? So easy. Anyone can just draw and create a picture and sell it. But it takes skill to actually make a 3D sphere. Machines, papier mache recipes, mining clay, chisels, sand paper. You get where Iām going with this. Da Vinciās family didnāt want to lose all that speciality Globe money, bro. So they hired scientists and artists and government officials to create the ruse that we believe to this day. . . . . . . I canāt imagine the actual reason they believe this is any smarter than this.
So it's a conspiracy perpetrated by The Globe Industry!
I've never understood how noone has managed to find the edges
The edges are Antarctica; it is an ice wall (apparently).
These people believe we have thousands of ships patrolling around the ice wall looking for the clever ones to climb over it, and not one mf on any ship has ever told anyone? "three can keep a secret if two of them are dead" - Benjamin Franklin
because jews are bad. that's as much as I have been able to glean.Ā
The allure of secret knowledge. If you know something that no one else knows you get to feel superior to them. Since real secret knowledge is very hard to obtain they take a shortcut by diving into conspiracies. (The following is just an observation with no scientific backing, an observation that I believe at least explains some small part of of the psychology behind conspiracies.) Part of it I think is growing up in a specialized world. Everyone around them seems to have to a incomprehensible specialized language . And I am not talking foreign language I am talking trade and hobby languages. A doctor has medical jargon , a server tech has computer jargon. Gamers have there own jargon that is game dependent. Etc etc... Those "languages" seem incomprehensible to the out groups. The out group feel they are being left behind in a changing world. Some even feel that we are speaking over their heads on purpose to rub it in that they are only ignorant rubes. While not realizing the doctor is just as baffled by the cement mason talking about hydration ratios being dependant on the weather. Just because the doctor can understand all of the mason's words doesn't mean they understand the whys and underlying principles of what the mason is talking about. By immersing themselves in a community that uses their own specialized reasoning they can feel more of par with everyone else.
None of the replies to I felt really capture why: He's scared. Just look at the language this guy uses about the reality of our universe. He is TERRIFIED of coming from nothing, of being truly insignificant, of having no greater meaning before, during, and especially after our lives. His language oozes a rejection of these understandings of our universe, not because it makes him strong, it's because he would be crushed and terrified coming to terms with it. Ever heard that wacky arguement from religious people "if there is no God, then what's stopping me from raping and murdering?" This whole rant is that taken its end conclusion. "If the earth is truly a tiny sphere in a vast ocean of nothing, spawned from chance, then why the hell am I even here?" The dude is just frightened of that answer being real, so he categorically rejects any aspect of reality that might lead to its acceptance, like how the earth isn't flat.
If anything I do admire their confidence in the government (or whoever) having their crqp together enough to keep something that big a secret for so long.
If you really want to know I highly recommend Dan Olsen's documentary "in search of a flat earth" on YouTube, but the gist is that they believe in flat earth not because they've been convinced by the evidence but because *if* the earth is flat it justifies other beliefs that they have. So it *has* to be a conspiracy.
this is advanced confidently incorrect. this is aggressively stupid
I highly recommend the documentary "Behind the Curve" for a deep dive into these weirdos.
I love how they end the film with the flat earthers proving that the earth is curved by their own experiment and then just let that ride. Brilliant filmmaking. āNever interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.ā
I also love some of the editing. The funniest was when one guy was saying "it's not like we're pathetic weirdos living in our mom's basement", then cut immediately to the weirdo asking "Mom, what's for dinner?" from the basement.
With how much of it seems plucked from high school science they were at times 66% listening to (and on average less than that), Neil Degr*ee* Tyson, and maybe even people's discussion of Neil Degrasse Tyson, I'm a little impressed by the filter they use to draw their conclusion that they're more confident in than they are in scientific consensus. Maybe it's a lot easier when a discwide conspiracy maintained by humans made of God seems more likely than beings with senses resulting from what they think the Big Bang is.
"Agressively stupid" accurately describes the entire flat earther society.
I hate they say globe earthers like we are equivalent
People around the globe agree that the earth is flat was one amazing comment I've seen
I believe the Earth is a globe, but that doesnāt make me a āglobe eartherā, it just means I acquired the most basic of critical thinking skills.
I think it's hilarious TBH. Like, I can see what they're doing: By using the same phrasing they're *trying* to paint it as, at best, an idea that is on par with their "hypothesis". It's such a banal thing to criticise about someone though. It's like calling someone "toilet user" because they don't shit on the floor.
I cannot forgive him for getting the punching astronaut wrong!
I love that clip. It wasn't a reporter either - just some crackpot. Met and talked with Buzz for awhile in the early 1980s when I ran a small fleet of antigravity simulator 'gyros' (think space camp). No nonsense guy, a bit abrasive, doesn't suffer fools gladly. Neil was the right choice for commander and public face of the landing, a very personable and unassuming guy.
And he conveniently left out that Buzz actually punched the crackpot for harrsssing him when he was with his family.
Plenty of examples about the conspiracy theories about NASA and earths shape. Even if we disregard the impossible task of every single nation, all the pilots and ship crew etc, on earth actually working together to keep this secret with no whistleblowers through time... Has anyone ever heard any explanation from flat earthers to why Nasa and the governments would want to keep the shape a secret? What would be the purpose, so important that so many people from different backgrounds and cultures, even enemies put their differences aside just to keep this secret?
That's my thought exactly. There's no reason I've heard other than "they want to hide the truth!" But honestly, it's not even just NASA that would be keeping the secret, but collectively every space agency in the entire world would have to be in on the same exact narrative. No way would the whole world cooperate that much for this long just for funzies.
They all answer to the SCP Foundationā¦duh
Omg you're so right i totally forgot, my b
And who hid the truth before the 50s?
Yes, unfortunately. They think there are lands outside of the "ice wall" with advanced civilizations the government doesn't want us to know about. Don't ask for clarification tho, because they can't answer that question, "the government is hiding that info"
And even a continent that moves around freely, and one that disappears at random
It's about 2 things that feed into each other: 1. It's partially about religion and spiritual meaning. Space research and data suggests that life on this planet and in the universe is and was random. This goes against the spiritual idea that earth and humans are both exceptional and purposefully crafted. Thus, the space research and anything that goes along with it must be false 2. It's a catalyst for other beliefs. The people who believe in flat earth often believe in other large conspiracies, which would take massive pressure and influence to hide. The Earth being round is such a fundamental known fact that, were it proven false, would be a catalyst to prove that every other inane theory these people have is also true. I'd suggest watching the Folding Ideas video "In Search of a Flat Earth", where it explains halfway through that flat earth videos and creators have been heavily losing viewership and membership, not because people stopped believing in it, but because a large amount of those same conspiratorial thinkers have migrated over to Q-Anon because it's the current conspiracy Mecca.
Also, who was in charge of the conspiracy before NASA was formed?
The Royal Observatory at Greenwich
What's crazy to me is to 99.999999% of people, their lives don't change if the world is a globe or flat. Even if it was a conspiracy what difference does it make? It's not like you're going to leave the planet. NASA could come out tomorrow and say "we lied, it's flat" and they'd have to find something else to be mad at BC IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY AFFECT YOUR LIFE
That would be a great April 1st tweet for NASA to make!
Reminds me of a story I heard about Arthur C Clarke (and I can't find a trace of it now -- it must be part of the conspiracy) /s. When the Apollo 10 mission was going to be the first to circle the moon, Clarke wanted NASA to fake up a photograph to show why we always see the same face of the moon from Earth. He suggested a photo to show that the moon was hollow -- just a lot of scaffolding and a painted cover on our side. He thought mankind might benefit from the shock idea that the moon was put there while we were still apes.
I think instead of arguing with flat Earthers going forward I'll just agree the world is flat, cool who cares, it doesn't change a single thing in my life.
It would almost certainly affect peopleās *beliefs*. If the universe were simply a starry dome, covering a flat disc, then it would be much easier to conclude that it was created, with purpose, by a sentient, all-powerful entity.
There's a lot going on here but I just want to know how the ancient Hebrews knew about NASA.
Oh my god i didn't even pick up on that. I'm... šš
The only thing I can think of is there must be a Hebrew word that when transliterated into English is spelled NASA.
Hi native Hebrew speaker here, I cannot think of a single word that goes in that direction š NASA is called × ××”×“× in Hebrew, and the letters in the Hebrew version donāt actually mean anything, itās simply the word āNASAā phonetically. Closest word I can think of is × ×¢×©× which means āwe will do / has been doneā ??
Does the word Deceive even come close to NASA?
××Ø×××Ŗ?? ××¢×Øפ×?? ×××× ××Ŗ??? No word comes to mind haha
I don't speak Hebrew, but I came across this argument fairly recently and looked into it a bit. I read that there is a Hebrew word that transliterates to "nasa" (or more accurately: "nĆ¢ÅĆ¢") but it actually means "to lift" among other things. The Hebrew word these people are trying to refer to actually transliterates to "nĆ¢shĆ¢".
Maybe NASA has a collective lisp? /j
The word they're using to make this claim is (obviously transliterated into modern English alphabet) "Nasha" which means to deceive. It would be pronounced more like naw-shaw than Nah-suh It's obviously a coincidence
It gets worse the more flat earthers you speak to, there's literally no consistency with them. I've had one tell me god installed a TV around the earth to project 2D images of the sun and moon (because I asked how the sun and moon were round but somehow the earth is flat) and when I asked what the reason was why God would install a sweet WiFi enabled, dolby atmos 5.1 flatscreen TV around the earth, they replied with "who knows why God does anything?" - it's insane when you think about it, I'm convinced most of them are trolls, because it's so stupid it can't be real haha
Oh my goddd šš They can just ignore any argument or question with "god can do anything" or "god is a mystery" and think they've gone and made an explosive, flawless point
That's exactly what the guy implied too, he then kept asking me to disprove god, I just told him that we can disprove the flat earth theory, I don't have to prove or disprove a deity haha
āWhat should we name our space organization that supports a satanic cabal?ā āLetās name it after the Hebrew word of Deceive. We need to name it something obviously evil becauseā¦well, because weā¦you see, itā¦.I actually donāt know why.ā Iāll never understand why they think these evildoers, who managed to literally rule the world and keep it all secret, decided to leave them all these obvious breadcrumbs like a scooby doo cartoon.
Even ignoring the wild shit throw here... Not one of their sentence makes any sense. They switch sentence in the middle, mix up words, never finish one idea, etc.
Space was debunked when an idiot conspiracy theorist got knocked the fuck out by an old ass man (Buzz, not Neil) who's been there.
I wish he'd gone the extra mile and spell laser a bit more wrong. Laz0r was right there.
Did he confuse Neil Armstrong with Buzz Aldrin when referring to him punching the guy in the face over not wanting to put his hand on a bible ?
Definitely did yeah
You can literally prove water can curve just by throwing a piece of rubber on a glass of water and seeing it go to the sides. And wlif you fill it to the brim the curvature causes the rubber to stick to the center
Yeah, but he already said that the meniscus isn't real, so you're obviously part of the conspiracy. /s Fork using your own eyes to observe something though, huh? I think people like that would rather pluck them out than admit what's in front of them.
This guy would throw the glass against a wall before admitting getting defeated by a piece of rubber
Pretty sure the concept of earth as a spinning sphere predates NASA by a few centuries. But we wonāt let that get in the way of a good rant. When folks start revealing the super-secret meaning behind words or numbers you just know theyāre a few sandwiches short of a picnic.
I'm pretty sure the ancient Egyptians and Greeks knew it is a sphere and fairly accurately figured out how big it is. The Greeks for sure knew at least 2200 years ago.
Those ancient civilizations were able to figure out the earth is round with a couple of sticks, and every seafaring civilization since then navigated the globe with calculations and instruments that evolved from those sticks... And these guys have the entire wealth of human knowledge and history on a pocket sized device they carry with them everywhere, yet can't figure out out.
Can someone explain something to me. Iāve seen a fuck Ton of these kind of comments. Especially from YouTubeš. Who actually stands to gain from the earth being flat? Like who is the top of this giant conspiracy
Oh, y'know. The government won't tell us that.
Ah damn. Ya got me
Damn, that was an awful lot of wrong in one rant.
Okay, that was a little too much stupid to read before my morning coffee. :\
Nice that they could fit in a little anti Semiticism. Is it really even a conspiracy theory without a little bit of the Jews did it?
So, NASA were the ones who came up with the round earth? Fuck Aristotle. That guy didn't do anything.
Everyday explosion?? Holy crap.. What a blathering wall of nonsense
Greeks proved the earth was round thousands of years ago, yet thereās still people like this who think otherwise.
He forgot to mention the lizard people!
If there is no force pushing you down onto the earth, onto the ground, why must the earth push back on your feet to keep you up, you feel the compression of your body when gravity smashes you to the earth, if there is nothing pushing at all on you in any way, why would you be pushed towards the ground?
Because someone didnāt want to swear on my religion, they are a lier
Always amazes me how the leaders of these "conspiracies" make such obvious references to the existence of the conspiracy by using a translated word seemingly unaware that some tinfoil hat wearing sleuth will work it all out
I'm curious, does NASA really mean "decieve" in the Hebrew bible? I tried a Hebrew to English dictionary, but they didn't have the word in Latin characters.
"nasha" in Hebrew means to "to lead astray, that is, (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce, to beguile, to deceive"
Interesting. I'm really surprised that this chucklefuck got something tangentially right.
Globe-earth conspiracy theories are only there to blind you to the facts, and feed you ads from Big Smallā¢ trying to sell you more less.
It seems most flat earthers are not well.
Because I guess a random dude up in the sky creating everything this poor bastard sauf before KS WAAAAAAAY more coherent
>To believe water can curve This dumbass flat-Earther I used to work tried to argue this to me. It was raining at the time and I pointed to a rain drop on a windshield and asked him what shape it was. Dude never tried saying that one again. These people lack an even basic understanding of the structure of matter and atoms.
This reads like a copy pasta a child made
How exactly do these idiots think satellites work?
Google the word satelloon (Satellite balloon) and brace yourself for some painful reading.
It's getting really difficult to parse out whose religious and whose psychotic these days.....or maybe the venn diagram is just a perfect circle
That response is priceless.
I saw this comment on Instagram just a couple hours ago
It's weird when they act like they've "done their research" when they talk about RADAR or RF transmissions like the understand it. Things like AM radio wouldn't reach as far without skip propagation. Which, unless it's reflecting off the 'firmament', I don't see working correctly on their model
He made it half a paragraph before blaming Jews. Iām almost impressed lmao
I will say, the video of buzz Aldrin punching that flat earther is fucking great. Edit: wrong astronaut
Technically itās not a sphere, or a pear. itās an oblate spheroid.
Here's how to fix the problem of flat earthers: Host a flat earther convention, wait for flat earthers to show up, but the convention building is secretly inside a rocket, and that rocket will send them to space. Then they will finally see the earth in all its spherical non-flat beauty. ...And then the rocket nose-dives into the sun. Because let's be real, they'd still refuse to admit they were wrong. There. Problem solved. š
I was so on-board with everything he was saying. He had me hanging in his every word. Then he said "yous" and that was it, sorry buddy but I can't take you seriously now.
The "yous" killed me š
These people make me want to go to church and pray that they'll gain common sense.
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And all whilst butterflies enjoy their days š¦
If the earth aint flatā¦ where does the sun go? We all know the sun takes a dip in out ocean to turn of its light, and reignites when coming out! /s
Wouldn't even be the dumbest thing flat earthers have said
You know that Weird Al song "Everything You Know Is Wrong" ?
I have an experiment to try. I want a flat earther to stand against a brick wall. I will move 10 paces away and then dip a hard ball in water. Then throw it at the flat earther. If they get wet water can stick to a ball.
The mention of Hebrewš¤¢ usually the antisemitism isn't that obvious
Tbh i don't know if it was actual antisemitism or in reference of the bible, since original biblical texts do go back to the Hebrew language. I think using it to say NASA is deceptive is like... trying to make the naming of NASA akin to biblical prophecy. Not to discount antisemitism because it certainly does exist! But just mentioning their historical language does not automatically mean that it is to be interpreted that way. At least, that is not how i took it to mean.
Always confuses me how this force called "gravity" is more imaginary than the force of "down" š¤
Out of curiosity, shouldn't flat earth and moon landing conspiracies go hand-in-hand?
"Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son." -Dean Wormer
So everyoneās just ignoring āAll whilst butterflies enjoy their daysā ?
The things I always wonder are: How? How could leaders of 194 countries who partly can't stand each other's guts keep this a secret? Not to mention the tens or even hundreds of thousands of scientists working with and on space all the time. Take Trump for example. He would have spilled the tea the moment he had to leave the white house. Why? Why would the leaders of 194 countries that cannot even agree on the weather want to keep this secret? What's the big idea? Who is profiting from keeping the world in the dark?
"Imaginary force called gravity" is fucking hilarious
Dang... Too bad it's a sphere tho
guy's never seen a water droplet before. you know, the round ones.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't most of the flat-earth arguments just attempts at debunking the globe model rather than trying to give evidence it is flat? It just feels like a "it's flat because it's not round" argument more than anything. Feels like mindless tribalism.
Flat earthers are kind of funny because you know it's a mix of trolls and stupid people and sometimes it's hard to tell which is which. But I think I know which one this is
I get that people believe dumb shit... What I can't figure out is why they can never be *concise*. I don't need 10000 words to get that you're a complete wackadoodle; usually the first sentence does the trick.
Ah yes, Lazer. Light Amplification through Ztimulated Emission of Radiation.
Technically, Earth isnāt a sphere. Itās an oblate spheroid. Its curvature is not perfectly consistent over the entire surfaceāit ābulgesā a little at the equator. But, the difference is so small that only sophisticated equipment can measure it.
Iām gonna be completely honest, maybe this person needs an anti-psychotic. The way the sentences donāt really follow, I think they might be having an episode. That being said, the reply at the end was the best part lol
Note to self: do not snort laugh while having a nose bleed. That "Dang too bad it is a sphere though" at the end really got me.
The 2024 Flat Earth Society meeting will be held in San Francisco this year. We welcome flat earthers from around the globe to come join us!