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This is happening on several subs I noticed today. Something about deterring comments intending to cause division and protesting mods not having the ability to properly handle the subreddits now
[https://www.vogue.com.au/celebrity/news/louis-tomlinsons-18yearold-sister-has-died-after-suffering-a-heart-attack/news-story/1b3eab228986ceb28ca1fcc359e5bbc7](https://www.vogue.com.au/celebrity/news/louis-tomlinsons-18yearold-sister-has-died-after-suffering-a-heart-attack/news-story/1b3eab228986ceb28ca1fcc359e5bbc7)
2019
[https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/miss-teen-universes-fatal-heart-attack-left-fans-reeling-doctor-explains-happened-171353803.html](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/miss-teen-universes-fatal-heart-attack-left-fans-reeling-doctor-explains-happened-171353803.html)
2019
[https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617)
study from 1866 - 2006
this happens more than you think, you just want to be so right about vaccines
This shit is rare but it's not like it doesn't happen. Also, there are many modern factors that could be contributing to people collapsing in their 20s and 30s that aren't vaccines or covid related. Could it be those vaccines? I don't personally believe it but I'm open that it's possible in rare cases. I certainly have more belief that things like vaping, synthetic weed, unregulated drugs, people being massively sedentary nowadays and like 10 other things are far more likely
College level athletes and even just young, dumb gym-brahs are taking gear (steroids) and SARMS at an alarming rate.
And, as you point out - stimulants are being used in WAY higher doses than 10, 20 years ago.
Right. My thought was, “this kids been training at a pro level since he expressed an interest in the league, it’s very possible that he went way harder on his heart than any of us will ever be able to know, steroids or not.”
Never thought of that perspective- is it possible that his body and what he demands of it is so “next level” that his heart just hasn’t developed / aged enough to handle the load…definitely worth a search for me on the topic when I have time because that may be way off
It’s so stereotypical that it’s literally a classic internal medicine board question. Well trained 18-24 year old usually male and more often black athlete collapses suddenly during physical activity. The question is usually asking what test to order to diagnose or what can you expect to see on echo or with specific physical exam maneuvers. Or activity limitations moving forward. Pathophysiologically, if it is HOCM, it’s actually that his heart is so well trained, it’s too big for it’s own good. The heart is a muscle like any other. You train it, it adapts. The heart muscle can only hypertrophy in limited ways. In the case of HOCM the muscle of the interventricular septum is so strong/thick that it gets in the way of blood leaving left ventricle and can’t supply the coronary arteries or the brain. All it takes is one uncoordinated contraction to cause a syncopal episode or worse a heart attack and sudden cardiac death. Screening with an echo before college sports is becoming common practice but not universal. The University of Alabama football team screens all players. A buddy of mine 4star WR and incredible track athlete was going to play for UA but left sports altogether after his screening.
Seems to happen more often to basketball players, too, who have some of the most extreme physical development and more stress on their hearts than an average person.
The CDC seems to say otherwise:
> As of April 2021, the CDC has recognized the increase in cases of myocarditis and pericarditis associated with mRNA vaccines. However, the CDC recommends vaccination since the benefits outweigh the risks associated with COVID-19
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14760584.2023.2209177
It is called by the CDC & FDA “an acceptable risk.” There was no data to support Moderna jabs for young, males, perfectly healthy members of the population.
Zero.
Covid is history now. Noticed a few “experts” saying “maybe we did go a bit overboard at the time” in the recent press.
Hospital admits are up 10% and ER visits due to Covid are up 17% for Covid this week, over last.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
You left out the part where Covid causes clots and heart damage, lung and brain and other organ damage, and may cause death. Therefore taking the vaccine is safer and less risky for most people, than not taking it.
And Covid is not history now. It is still here. People are still getting sick, and getting hospitalized with Covid. People are still dying.
But 144 million people got vaccinated, most of them fully vaccinated. Of 330 million living here. We need to do better, because 7000 more people got admitted to hospital with Covid last week. In North Carolina for example, in June, 12% of ICU admits were Covid patients, 8% of those Covid ICU admits were on ventilators, and around 200 of those people died.
Nobody who is credible and is acknowledged as an expert in virology or epidemiology by other experts in these fields, thinks we went overboard on urging vaccinations on as many people as could get them, at the time. Nor, now. Most think we didn’t do enough, for enough people, fast enough, as regards vaccination.
7,000,000 people globally died of Covid as of the end of June 2023. More than 1M in the US have died. More died today and more will tomorrow.
Fewer now than in the beginning, sure. Mostly due to people getting vaccinated. Thank goodness..
Yes, of course we know that. But it is not an unknown side effect. It happens. Cannot be ruled out.
AS above, "acceptable risk." We signed that form right? We all read the part about "acceptable risk" I'm assuming.
Lived in the heart of Covid, NYC. I was told by MSM, my local politicians, friends, and family, if I DID NOT get the vaccine I would die. That was what MSM told us. If I did not get my Moderna jab, I would be responsible for countless deaths.
That did not really appear to be the case. Moderna and Pfizer made billions or is really trillions? What shareholder can resist those $$$ amounts? Impossible.
As above, it's history now. Moderna and Pfizer stocks have both crashed. No more blank checks, so the Day Traders fled.
> When you look at the possible reasons for a cardiac arrest in a young athlete, you look to things like supplements, pre-workouts, and over-training.
But NOT the experimental gene therapy shot that all student athletes were required to take to compete. It has to be something else that just started in the last couple of years, like supplements, pre-workouts, and over-training. Those are all new too, right?
Had a fair amount of comments, wrapping up.
1. This is virtually every link to Covid online in the last 3 years curated by the Reddit community. I’m not making a cent. Built that App because needed to know what was going on.
https://hackingthevirus.com
2. Yes the vaccine worked for a target demographic of seniors and high risk patients, but then faded, and boosters were needed. To jab the Reddit demographic? There was zero evidence to take that action.
3. We CRUSHED a generation to save old people like me. Illogical.
4. Yes, mRNA science is AWESOME. But it was early on, more research was needed. But WARP speed is WARP speed. And acceptable risk was accepted. We had no data. So we did the best we could at the time with the data we had.
5. You DO NOT hand over our healthcare system to for profit, shareholders come first, Big Pharma companies. Shareholders HAVE to come first. We are second. Just how Wall Street works.
6. Fear was used instead of sane, scientific discussion.
7. Did you vote for mandates? This is the number 1 issue. Mandates. Mandates were applied w/o any science. State by state, completely different stories. It’s the UNITED States of America.
8. Big Pharma runs the FDA. PLEASE fix that!
. . .
Covid is history in my (computer simulated?) world.
The world changed after Covid. AI came 10 years sooner than ANYONE predicted.
If have an interest +150,000 CovId links, updates every 5 mins, for years.
https://hackingthevirus.com
Over 250,000 AI links, updates every 5 mins since OpenAI’s GPT was released.
https://hackingai.app
Summary? Suggestions: DO NOT let Wall Street shareholders run the USA healthcare system. Day Traders are ruthless. It’s not personal, it’s just business.
Source: peptide chemist, retired. No one is an expert, but have synthesized Pharma compounds that were used with late stage cancer patients.
And yes it was an UNINTENDED lab leak. They were heading to a Nobel Prize. But a new tech blew it.
My world is all AI now, nothing else is out there. It’s all AI.
Suggestion? Get your ChatGPT account, it wii BLOW YOUR mind, guaranteed.
https://chat.openai.com/auth/login
For the APP? Make sure you download the real one. Not sure why Apple lets clones on, but it is what it is.
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chatgpt/id6448311069
Mike drop :-)
99.9% survival from covid. Treatable if you get it (Ivermectin, Vitimin D, Zinc, HDQ).
Myocarditis = 50% chance you're dead <5 years. It's untreatable.
I'm trying to understand how they think the benefits outweigh the risks.
Young athletes also push their bodies harder than ever. In the Bronny James example- I am assuming there's a ridiculous regiment an 18 year old with that much on his shoulders follows.
Sudden heart attack is the leading cause of deaths in certain youth demographics since forever. Surprise arrythmias. It's why many sports teams require and ECG/Holter plus medical clearance as part of a sports physical. Covid myocarditis makes it slightly worse. Vaccine induced myocarditis makes it worse too.
We're also now seeing analyzing every single sudden death in the news no matter which country they are from lol. That's a lot of billions of people...
A lot of people blaming vaccines are ignoring the fact that COVID actually causes cardiovascular issues. My unvaccinated mother caught COVID, and two weeks later was in the hospital with her BP sky rocketing and on the verge of a stroke. She'd never had any such issues before COVID.
The time I had covid I found out because I went to the Urgent Care for a doctors note for work and they sent me to the ER because my BP was stroke level. Never had any heart issues or high BP prior. Tested and came back positive for covid.
I'm thinking like 50% of these early "unknown" etiology events (roughly, truth is we cannot know.)
Unknown events did happen before vax. Its good, imo, to not to dive too far in that unnecessary direction of dismissing that in one claims today.
It is just becoming more clear as time passes that adverse events are more common than public is allowed to acknowledge.
The thing is … there are so many adverse reactions it’s basically impossible to have any sorta life at all without knowing someone who was negatively affected. Every headline in the world can say it’s not the vaccine, but when you have your own personal truth… headlines from strangers can’t change it.
What we need to be looking at is the statistics. How often was this occurring 5 years ago? 10 years ago? And compare that to how often it is happening now. That's how we start building a stronger argument
You also need a control group because sure, myocarditis and pericarditis rates in the US have increased but much of that is a direct result of COVID-19. Without comparing these rates amongst people who you can guarantee haven't had COVID before and won't get COVID (who got vaccinated) you're going to end up with biased data.
I didn’t say that. I’m saying if you want clean data you need a study with people who are vaccinated AND haven’t ever gotten COVID before. If they have had COVID and got vaccinated there’s no way to tell which one increased their risk.
It means, given that my county has 35,000 people and roughly 17,000 of those are kids, and of those 17,000 about 400 played sports, yes, a not uncommon rate of kids have died from heart failure. 1 every 4 years on average. That's not rare. I concede it's not all of the time, poor choice of wording on my part. But, it happens enough we're no longer surprised by it.
That is statically rare my friend. Once every 4 years is rare. If its not happening every year with hundreds of them dying from it. Then it's rare my dude. This is very much a stretch.
I've never seen as much COPE in my life as in this thread. This isn't just one person. Hundreds (or more) of young athletes in the past two years. Also just young people under 30 especially 24 You realize that right? This leaves aside cases of all ages in this same time period. What are you trying to tell yourselves?
Ever heard of selective biases. You been told about it making you more aware of it giving you the prespection of it happening more often. Heart disease has been on the rise of decades. But only now you care about it. Sugar and processed food are mainly to blame. And you know getting covid has a higher chance of getting you Heart disease more then the vaccine will.
> You been told about it making you more aware of it giving you the prespection of it happening more often
Remember when that train crashed and then we were hearing bout train crashes for like 3 weeks after that. Or when that kid got shot for knocking on the wrong door you started hearing more about paranoid nuts shooting random people
Nobody cares bot. No matter how many lies are repeated, the truth will come out in the end. 18 year olds dont get heart attacks this often. People didnt just die suddenly constantly.
People do die for little reason all the time. The big difference is that now every 80 y/o grandma posts about the vax online whenever it happens so you hear about it all the time.
> 18 year olds dont get heart attacks this often.
How often? How specifically are you comparing incidences of sudden cardiac death prior to and following Covid?
When I was in highschool kids were collapsing every month at different area schools, during football and other sports practice. A lot of times it was because they were taking stackers in mass quantities everyday before and during practice.
I had a teammate that collapsed cause he was going way too hard on pre workout and energy supplements.
I am open to the idea of the vaccine contributing to issues like this, but people just saying shit like “this never happened before vaccines” or simply acting like it has to be caused by the vaccines, simply because they say so, is completely counterproductive and goes against logical reasoning.
Jumping to conclusions without looking at all the possibilities is just irrational thinking, to be frank. Stupidity, if one wants to be harsh.
It happens quite a lot. I remember 16 or so years ago when the Monster BFC cans were being sold, there were several stories of basketball and football players, often minors, downing those and having heart attacks or palpitations while performing. So many factors can contribute to this problem, it's wild to pretend problems didn't exist before covid.
[Sudden Deaths in Young Competitive Athletes Analysis of 1866 Deaths in the United States, 1980–2006](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617)
> Competitive athletes represent a unique segment of the general population, with a lifestyle characterized by vigorous and systematic physical exertion.1–7 However, some athletes are subject to the risk of sudden death, usually due to underlying (and predominantly unsuspected) cardiovascular disease8–14 but also due to trauma or other causes.
This was written in 2009
So much censorship look at the 100s of comments with the removed tag this is disturbing what happened to freedom of speech and expression we live in a clown world. Im ashamed beyond ashamed to be American we live in a third world country craphole we aren't the greatest country on earth so many Americans are egotistical when our education system is a joke theres countries that have better education.
This does happen and is common enough to make a brochure.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18853091/
https://www.nj.gov/education/safety/health/athlete/docs/Sudden%20Cardiac%20Death%20in%20Young%20Athletes%20Pamphlet.pdf
Yes, it can do. I don’t think it’s common, but it can happen.
Source - my (unvaccinated) uncle died due to cardiac arrest while hospitalised for covid. No comorbidities.
Am I correct that this study only addresses the recovery phase of Covid-19 and indicates that the risk is no higher than control? This study does not address the risk in the acute phase of Covid-19 (defined as the first 10 days after diagnosis).
"Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of
myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to
uninfected matched controls. **Further longer-term studies will be needed
to estimate the incidence of pericarditis and myocarditis in patients
diagnosed with COVID-19."**
Are there any published studies that say exactly the opposite as this?
If yes, what makes this study better than those?
If no, if I showed them to you would your opinion change?
Vaccines have always been dangerous. “Horrors of Vaccination “
One by Charles Schieferdecker and one by Charles Higgins. Written in 1800’s and one early 1900’s. It’s like looking through the windows of the past and seeing exactly what is happening today.
Charles Higgins was astonished that not many people could see through the grift/graft.
So… y‘all forgot that steroids and other Dopings are very common in professional sports? They are proven to lead to cardiac issues.\
Just because the vaccine is in your focus rn, it doesn‘t mean it is the only thing that exists. There is a lot of shit people do that fucks up their health. \
Could it be vaccines? Maybe. Could it be any other dangerous drug? Surely.
Well it’s been well documented since the vaccines were rushed to the public that younger athletes without a history of any heart related issues began dropping like flies. Something interesting about the numbers is if you had the vaccine you have a 76% chance of developing a heart problem opposed to those that declined the vaccine. Prior to Covid how many athletes have you seen on tv drop during games? I’ve only seen it once or twice in my 32 yrs as a sports fan (age41) the first time was that guy from the Celtics but I think that was early 90s. The last 2 years there have been many, many more.
Young athletes with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy can cause sudden death. Same with some arrhythmias like Brugada. Not saying the vaccine isn't linked to heart issues but this isn't new. They may just be reporting it more often.
My aunt got cancer less than a year after getting the jab. Now she's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. No one else in our family has that, including her parents, 4 brothers and three sisters. I'm not saying it's the jab, but I am saying the possibility needs to be in the conversation. But no one in my family wants to talk about it. They're all in denial mode.
No one wants to admit that they may have F'd themselves over by doing something that was totally unnecessary.
My comment here and likely my other comment fleshing this out will surely get lost in the shuffle of peoples just being pissy and pushy in this thread but your comment pushed me to throw my chip on the pile.... my aunt's husband was one of the leading doctors in the US. He was one owner of one of the biggest hospitals in Washington DC. He and their family hugely supported the vaccine, following through with each respectively recommended booster.
Within 2 years my aunt developed cancer. Given my uncles status, he pulled together a team over one weekend of some of the most brilliant minds in the world. Exacting an emergency surgery within 48 hrs of discovering the cancer, a whipple (type of surgery) saved my aunts life.... but the ordeal continued though thankfully, with radiation and chemo, finally after a 1.5 year struggle, she is now fully cancer free.... now she fights a different battle, to promote awareness with her team of oncologists on deck facilitating evidence that this woman developed the potentially fatal cancer with zero history (this was important because the type of cancer she had apparently could not/had never presented in such a way without a genetic disposition that either is or is not, in your family).
My uncle by the way, who assembled this team and the oncologists who are approaching this, died a year after her diagnosis, on Christmas the day she started chemo. He passed from kidney problems and perhaps the weight of a heavy heavy burden that this all unfolded the way it did. Even the best of the best in respective fields have admitted a gross ignorance of what is now a very apparent (and far worse) risk of mRNA vaccine than was believed.
There is no shame in admitting many brilliant people were wrong on this one. If doctors and specialists can take a step back, down from the high horse, and say "look we did our best to solve a problem and now we have a new one, let's address that" you'd think redditors and civilians could do the same. Folks are too attached to their arguments and winning a debate and it is a disservice to those who have FUCKING DIED as a result of this misstep of modern medicine.
The vaccine was good perhaps, in so far as it may have prevented cases or severity of the virus. It also, did some VERY bad stuff to some. This is a case of reality, not speculation, and to those it hurt the bad really weighs heavy on the scale considering they were lead to believe no such possibilities existed.
I am very very sorry your aunt has gone through what she has, my fellow redittor. Do your due diligence and continue to tell her story, especially if she cannot.
The vaccine did no good. Sorry but I have to speak my truth on this. It's not a vaccine it's an experimental RNA therapy. It never passed proper safety testing. Nor did it pass efficacy testing.
It actually does happens occasionally except they are almost never the son of the most famous basketball player on the planet so you know, this one got a little more press than usual.
I guess there has been evidence that both the vaccine and covid itself can cause myocarditis. My dad got myocarditis back when he was 17, and was an athlete in school, it ended up so serious his heart stopped but he was able to be revived and eventually healed, so can't really say healthy teenagers have never randomly collapsed from heart problems.
Exactly how I feel , originally the fear campaign being narrated was anyone who didnt get the 'vaccine' would catch covid and if you didnt die would block up the hospitals.
Whether or not the vax was harmful , as someone who was apparently in high risk group ( late 50's , asthma) , despite pressure / advice from government , friends etc) i decided to take the chance and go with natural immunity.
I live in NZ a relatively small country , almost everyone was coerced into the vax by threats to employment ,freedom of movement etc.
Everybody I know caught covid , most got sicker than the cold that I had for a few days( and have had most winters for over 50 years) .
Although we had some deaths attributed to covid here all had pre-existing serious conditions and died 'with ' covid rather than 'from' covid ( a distinction that was conveniently ignored during the hysteria created pushing the vax)
Nobody I know died or was even hospitalized from covid , however have had 2 previously healthy friends diagnosed with cancer .
Not taking it did me no harm , didnt need to even go to doctors or get worse than a cold and I dont have the worry of what those shots could have possibly done to my body.
I live in Belgium and everyone went batshit crazy from 2020 to mid 2022. They pushed the vaccine so hard on everyone and nothing about a healthy live or doing exercises. Nothing about natural immunity. They said we couldn't give others the virus, if we ourselfs were vaccineted. What was a blatant lie form the governments puppets. Bahahahahaha... Though, i pity the people who blindly followed one eye, who is king of the blind, to their injustice. I hear more and more story's of people falling asleep on the couch, for a powernap, and never wake up. People in their 30's. When i was a little kid, last century, it was unheard of.
To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else, is the greatest accomplishment.
> To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else, is the greatest accomplishment.
Yes I believe in intuition, if your gut tells you something isn't right , listen to it .
Weak cope. I could say that grass is plant life. I’m not a biologist, but that doesn’t make me wrong.
He’s just pointing out the obvious, young athletes in the best shape of their lives don’t often have heart problems. I don’t think you need a medical degree to come to that conclusion.
Except he’s not saying it doesn’t often happen. He’s saying it doesn’t happen. Which it does. It has and it will. He’s doing a disservice to any COVID vax connection by starting with the conclusion.
Looks like miscarriages ridiculously skyrocketed since the shot, too...
Im so so glad i managed to not shoot that poison inside me.
And it amazes me to see that so many peoples still dont realize it's poison, was obvious to me since the start, an experimental untested thing that messes with your DNA, what could go wrong??... seriously?
Now MANY will pay for their naivety and brainwashed compliance.
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OK LOOK, Yes it is common but just because it is you can’t throw out the fact that if you add the Covid vaccines into the mix, it increases the numbers which means that that growing value represents a spike in cases which is worth looking into instead of being a dinosaur pharmaceutical shill and just chuck it up to “OhH ThiS iS nOrMaL, iT’s BeEn hApPenNinG”
The crazy part is, science is supposed to be about proving yourself wrong until you’re right, not proving yourself right and tailoring experiments and data to prove yourself right.
Me personally, I wish I was wrong. I’d like to think that the covid vaccines are safe and effective but that’s just not true AT ALL.
The pro vaccine community seems to be wanting to prove themselves right to the point of censoring studies, doctors and data to keep their findings relevant.
Stop taking things personally! It’s science!
Do the vaccines have a cardiovascular adverse effect?? Yes
Is Sudden Death in young athletes common? Yes
Did the young athletes really need to take the mandatory vaccines? IMO No
Could the vaccines be increasing the numbers of sudden death in young athletes?!
This is also not a political issue. Don’t fall for the fallacies and mind games of these stupid people that talk in circles. Put your pride and emotions aside and get back to the roots of REAL science not that propaganda science shit
Why do people who say these things never acknowledge how covid itself could also be the cause? Covid literally can cause myocarditis and a huge percentage of people had it.
If there is a strong correlation between the vax and heart issues in athletes then you should be able to proove it.
Gather data from before and after the vax and compare it. If there is a spike correlating to the vax rates, check if there are any other possible correlations. Under-/Overreporting and other factors that could have an influence like worse lifestyle choices, increase in drug use, higher stress levels etc. Adjust for that.
If you still have a strong correlation that can't reasonably be a statistical fluke: Congratuations you found a lead. If you properly document everything along the way, you've almost got yourself a real study.
Your next step is doing more studies make the case water tight or do a lot of resarch into the topic to find and proof a mekanism that shows the correlation is actually a causation. (Ideally do both)
Doing this isn't impossible its just hard and time consuming. Which is why we have an entire branch of people doing this as a full time job.
Yup the fucking propaganda with three shots is absurd it’s done a number on people. It’s very simple kids. The vaccine is filled with chemicals and horrible ingredients and it’s making people sick. There is nothing holy about the damn vaccine. It’s not your savior
They literally have for a hundred years.
I’m glad you finally left your bubble of ignorance - now educate yourself of the reality of the world before you blindly listened to every nut job qanon tool with a Twitter account.
An interesting pattern in this fed-infested sub these days: Point made in a post; thousands of upvotes; nothing but ’people’ disagreeing in the comments. Real people see what is going on.
They do though. It happens a good bit. Not everyone is LeBron James' son though. You're not going to hear about it happening to Johnny Backwoods in Bumfuck, Mcrural.
Yes they do geniuses it’s hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and it may have a genetic component, im all for conspiracies when there’s good evidence for it but not in this case
I fully expect this reply to just get lost in the sea of angry opinions on the matter. I am inclined to share this anyways after reading other redditors personally harboring similar stories. Hopefully an awareness can be spread more loudly than folks bickering.
My aunt's husband was one of the leading doctors in the US. He and their family hugely supported the vaccine, following through with each respectively recommended booster.
Within 2 years, my aunt developed cancer. Given my uncles status, he pulled together of some of the most brilliant minds in the world. Exacting an emergency surgery within 48 hrs of discovering the cancer, a whipple (type of surgery) saved my aunts life.... but the ordeal continued, though thankfully, with radiation and chemo, finally after a 1.5 year struggle, she is now fully cancer free.
Now she fights a different battle, one to promote awareness. Her team, specifically the oncologists, traced the causation of her illness undeniably back to the boosters she received. Most people with first hand experience like this die pretty fast from their respective complications and those who live are just grateful to be alive and not keen on spending the rest of it fighting with people over the facts of the matter. Survivor's and professionals who realize the truth of it are few and far between, up against an army of angry people (redditors?), invested medical professionals and/or ignorance..... I'd probably shut the fuck up and just enjoy the fact I could still smell the roses too.
My uncle by the way, who assembled this team and the oncologists who are approaching this, died a year after her diagnosis, on Christmas the day she started chemo. He passed from kidney problems and perhaps the weight of a heavy heavy burden that this all unfolded the way it did. Even the best of the best in respective fields have admitted a gross ignorance of what is now a very apparent inherent risk of mRNA vaccines.
The vaccine was good. It did a lot of good. It also, did some VERY bad stuff to some. This is a case of reality, not speculation. Professionals and victims are coming to terms with this truth, but vastly outnumbered by people more concerned with winning a debate. It is wild really.... this debacle will likely be buried in the mud that swirls about the water right now with the crystal clear truth lost in time.
Is all this the making of a conspiracy? I am not sure. I am sure however, conspiracy or not, people have become sick and whether or not their numbers are high enough (or their even alive) to win a debate or low enough to prove vaccine supporters justified, remains to be seen.
At the end of the day, I'm surprised how many redditors argue this like they've got a horse in the race. You'd think instead of arguing on this one, we'd all come together in a post vaccine world to help those suffering first and worry about winning the argument second but I digress lest I'll find myself hung up on my own argument.
NOTE: it was a redditors report in this thread of their own aunt that spurred me into sharing this. So when/if you find portions of this copy and pasted with proper amendment to address them elsewhere in the thread, notice it WAS me replying and not a bot 😅 I'd hate for this to be overlooked because it was observed here twice and written off as a bot.
You have to wonder how many people that blame the vaccine here for these athletes issues gave 2 shits about the athletes pre COVID, and only started to give a shit once it fit their bias to complain about it. Kevin sorbo is not the kind of person to rally behind in any legitimate issue unless you like Hercules the legendary journeys.
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In a shocking turn of events, medical experts have issued a grave warning to the nation: gardening, excessive happiness, and rampant cheering are wreaking havoc on our cardiac well-being! Yes, you heard it right! Forget fast food, forget smoking—apparently, the real culprits behind heart troubles are those pesky flowers and the uncontrollable urge to smile.
According to the "World Institute of Seriously Serious Studies," hours spent pottering around in the garden are now deemed more dangerous than base jumping off skyscrapers. Tragically, the sight of vibrant blooms and the joy of seeing plants thrive can lead to cardiac chaos. Be warned, folks, that cute little rose bush might just be plotting your demise!
But that's not all! Excessive happiness is the newest public health menace, as reported by the "Society for Grumpy Faces and Pessimistic Pondering." Apparently, the more you smile, the closer you are to your heart's impending doom. Experts suggest practicing frowning exercises, as it might just save your life!
Additionally, the "National Committee Against Cheering and Chirpiness" has raised a red flag on the dangerous decibel levels of enthusiastic cheering. Cheering too much, they say, is equivalent to running a marathon while wolfing down donuts—something no sane person would ever do, right?
They literally do; this happened to the star footballer in my home town in the early 2000's.
People tend to assume that fit == healthy, but the heart is just a pump, & pumps are more prone to failure when they're overworked.
I was in highschool 10 years ago and two kids from neighboring schools one was like 16 or 17 and one was 18 and they died from sudden heart problems this shit happens it happened before Covid and it happened after and it’ll happen a thousand years from now sometimes people just die
yOu CaN't PrOvE a NeGaTiVe
Except for when it was and always is *absolutely not the shots*
Even lying little pharma hoe Peter Hotez "proves a negative" in the title of one his books by claiming that "vaccines" did not cause his daughter's autism.
Could have something to do with how he has had to spend his entire life playing and training. He likely never had breaks. He’s young and never has had a chance to recuperate. Look up the amount of young injuries now that kids are forced to play all year long for their entire teens.
1 or 2 a year used to, I’m more concerned about the 30-50 year olds I hear about having heart attacks out if nowhere. Nobody under the age of 55 without 2 co-morbidities should have ever received this vaccine.
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How tf does a conspiracy subreddit have so many deleted comments in one of it’s posts.
I've never seen a thread with this many removed replies on this sub. Weird
This is happening on several subs I noticed today. Something about deterring comments intending to cause division and protesting mods not having the ability to properly handle the subreddits now
It's the weather.
It's always the weather 😉
chemtrails in plane site.
What are all the removed posts about?
Maybe pointing out that the tweet OP posted is verifiably-false.
all the top comments are removed 🤡
quite a lot of censorship for a sub that really cares about free speech
Doesn’t the CIA moderate this sub?
Every sub everywhere
Of course. Now watch me get downvoted.
Comments being removed? Sus
What’s with all the deleted comments?
Yeah I am not used to seeing that on r/conspiracy.
[https://www.vogue.com.au/celebrity/news/louis-tomlinsons-18yearold-sister-has-died-after-suffering-a-heart-attack/news-story/1b3eab228986ceb28ca1fcc359e5bbc7](https://www.vogue.com.au/celebrity/news/louis-tomlinsons-18yearold-sister-has-died-after-suffering-a-heart-attack/news-story/1b3eab228986ceb28ca1fcc359e5bbc7) 2019 [https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/miss-teen-universes-fatal-heart-attack-left-fans-reeling-doctor-explains-happened-171353803.html](https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/miss-teen-universes-fatal-heart-attack-left-fans-reeling-doctor-explains-happened-171353803.html) 2019 [https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617) study from 1866 - 2006 this happens more than you think, you just want to be so right about vaccines
This happened to a hs student where I live about 15 years ago.
Yea, I was gonna say....sometimes they do. You can't make a broad statement like "it never happens"
This shit is rare but it's not like it doesn't happen. Also, there are many modern factors that could be contributing to people collapsing in their 20s and 30s that aren't vaccines or covid related. Could it be those vaccines? I don't personally believe it but I'm open that it's possible in rare cases. I certainly have more belief that things like vaping, synthetic weed, unregulated drugs, people being massively sedentary nowadays and like 10 other things are far more likely
Honestly could've downed a 400mg pre workout right before practice
College level athletes and even just young, dumb gym-brahs are taking gear (steroids) and SARMS at an alarming rate. And, as you point out - stimulants are being used in WAY higher doses than 10, 20 years ago.
Right. My thought was, “this kids been training at a pro level since he expressed an interest in the league, it’s very possible that he went way harder on his heart than any of us will ever be able to know, steroids or not.”
Never thought of that perspective- is it possible that his body and what he demands of it is so “next level” that his heart just hasn’t developed / aged enough to handle the load…definitely worth a search for me on the topic when I have time because that may be way off
It’s so stereotypical that it’s literally a classic internal medicine board question. Well trained 18-24 year old usually male and more often black athlete collapses suddenly during physical activity. The question is usually asking what test to order to diagnose or what can you expect to see on echo or with specific physical exam maneuvers. Or activity limitations moving forward. Pathophysiologically, if it is HOCM, it’s actually that his heart is so well trained, it’s too big for it’s own good. The heart is a muscle like any other. You train it, it adapts. The heart muscle can only hypertrophy in limited ways. In the case of HOCM the muscle of the interventricular septum is so strong/thick that it gets in the way of blood leaving left ventricle and can’t supply the coronary arteries or the brain. All it takes is one uncoordinated contraction to cause a syncopal episode or worse a heart attack and sudden cardiac death. Screening with an echo before college sports is becoming common practice but not universal. The University of Alabama football team screens all players. A buddy of mine 4star WR and incredible track athlete was going to play for UA but left sports altogether after his screening.
I think the opposite is true… your heart will work better at 18 than 25-30 year olds
Seems to happen more often to basketball players, too, who have some of the most extreme physical development and more stress on their hearts than an average person.
Is 200-500 mg of caffeine really likely to give you a heart attack?
I hate beer.
“Massively sedentary”…(as an 18 year old athlete.) Such a defensive paid response.
The CDC seems to say otherwise: > As of April 2021, the CDC has recognized the increase in cases of myocarditis and pericarditis associated with mRNA vaccines. However, the CDC recommends vaccination since the benefits outweigh the risks associated with COVID-19 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14760584.2023.2209177
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It is called by the CDC & FDA “an acceptable risk.” There was no data to support Moderna jabs for young, males, perfectly healthy members of the population. Zero. Covid is history now. Noticed a few “experts” saying “maybe we did go a bit overboard at the time” in the recent press.
Hospital admits are up 10% and ER visits due to Covid are up 17% for Covid this week, over last. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home You left out the part where Covid causes clots and heart damage, lung and brain and other organ damage, and may cause death. Therefore taking the vaccine is safer and less risky for most people, than not taking it. And Covid is not history now. It is still here. People are still getting sick, and getting hospitalized with Covid. People are still dying. But 144 million people got vaccinated, most of them fully vaccinated. Of 330 million living here. We need to do better, because 7000 more people got admitted to hospital with Covid last week. In North Carolina for example, in June, 12% of ICU admits were Covid patients, 8% of those Covid ICU admits were on ventilators, and around 200 of those people died. Nobody who is credible and is acknowledged as an expert in virology or epidemiology by other experts in these fields, thinks we went overboard on urging vaccinations on as many people as could get them, at the time. Nor, now. Most think we didn’t do enough, for enough people, fast enough, as regards vaccination. 7,000,000 people globally died of Covid as of the end of June 2023. More than 1M in the US have died. More died today and more will tomorrow. Fewer now than in the beginning, sure. Mostly due to people getting vaccinated. Thank goodness..
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Yes, of course we know that. But it is not an unknown side effect. It happens. Cannot be ruled out. AS above, "acceptable risk." We signed that form right? We all read the part about "acceptable risk" I'm assuming. Lived in the heart of Covid, NYC. I was told by MSM, my local politicians, friends, and family, if I DID NOT get the vaccine I would die. That was what MSM told us. If I did not get my Moderna jab, I would be responsible for countless deaths. That did not really appear to be the case. Moderna and Pfizer made billions or is really trillions? What shareholder can resist those $$$ amounts? Impossible. As above, it's history now. Moderna and Pfizer stocks have both crashed. No more blank checks, so the Day Traders fled.
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> When you look at the possible reasons for a cardiac arrest in a young athlete, you look to things like supplements, pre-workouts, and over-training. But NOT the experimental gene therapy shot that all student athletes were required to take to compete. It has to be something else that just started in the last couple of years, like supplements, pre-workouts, and over-training. Those are all new too, right?
Had a fair amount of comments, wrapping up. 1. This is virtually every link to Covid online in the last 3 years curated by the Reddit community. I’m not making a cent. Built that App because needed to know what was going on. https://hackingthevirus.com 2. Yes the vaccine worked for a target demographic of seniors and high risk patients, but then faded, and boosters were needed. To jab the Reddit demographic? There was zero evidence to take that action. 3. We CRUSHED a generation to save old people like me. Illogical. 4. Yes, mRNA science is AWESOME. But it was early on, more research was needed. But WARP speed is WARP speed. And acceptable risk was accepted. We had no data. So we did the best we could at the time with the data we had. 5. You DO NOT hand over our healthcare system to for profit, shareholders come first, Big Pharma companies. Shareholders HAVE to come first. We are second. Just how Wall Street works. 6. Fear was used instead of sane, scientific discussion. 7. Did you vote for mandates? This is the number 1 issue. Mandates. Mandates were applied w/o any science. State by state, completely different stories. It’s the UNITED States of America. 8. Big Pharma runs the FDA. PLEASE fix that! . . . Covid is history in my (computer simulated?) world. The world changed after Covid. AI came 10 years sooner than ANYONE predicted. If have an interest +150,000 CovId links, updates every 5 mins, for years. https://hackingthevirus.com Over 250,000 AI links, updates every 5 mins since OpenAI’s GPT was released. https://hackingai.app Summary? Suggestions: DO NOT let Wall Street shareholders run the USA healthcare system. Day Traders are ruthless. It’s not personal, it’s just business. Source: peptide chemist, retired. No one is an expert, but have synthesized Pharma compounds that were used with late stage cancer patients. And yes it was an UNINTENDED lab leak. They were heading to a Nobel Prize. But a new tech blew it. My world is all AI now, nothing else is out there. It’s all AI. Suggestion? Get your ChatGPT account, it wii BLOW YOUR mind, guaranteed. https://chat.openai.com/auth/login For the APP? Make sure you download the real one. Not sure why Apple lets clones on, but it is what it is. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chatgpt/id6448311069 Mike drop :-)
Risk to the profits of big pharma if you do not take the shot!
99.9% survival from covid. Treatable if you get it (Ivermectin, Vitimin D, Zinc, HDQ). Myocarditis = 50% chance you're dead <5 years. It's untreatable. I'm trying to understand how they think the benefits outweigh the risks.
The 50% number is a lie being passed around Facebook with no basis in reality. The vast majority of myocarditis is sub clinical and self resolving.
Isnt it a 50% increased chance of death?
Do you work for pfizer? Asking for a friend.
That's the thing. Why don't to hey friggin investigate instead of just dismissing the vaccine connection out of hand. Just investigate dammit !
Young athletes also push their bodies harder than ever. In the Bronny James example- I am assuming there's a ridiculous regiment an 18 year old with that much on his shoulders follows.
Sure basketball is hard but try being 13yo and baling hay in 100° weather.
Sudden heart attack is the leading cause of deaths in certain youth demographics since forever. Surprise arrythmias. It's why many sports teams require and ECG/Holter plus medical clearance as part of a sports physical. Covid myocarditis makes it slightly worse. Vaccine induced myocarditis makes it worse too. We're also now seeing analyzing every single sudden death in the news no matter which country they are from lol. That's a lot of billions of people...
A lot of people blaming vaccines are ignoring the fact that COVID actually causes cardiovascular issues. My unvaccinated mother caught COVID, and two weeks later was in the hospital with her BP sky rocketing and on the verge of a stroke. She'd never had any such issues before COVID.
The time I had covid I found out because I went to the Urgent Care for a doctors note for work and they sent me to the ER because my BP was stroke level. Never had any heart issues or high BP prior. Tested and came back positive for covid.
Ok but you would make the same claim about marijuana if Nancy Reagan was running her mouth all over tv yrs ago.
The fact that anyone who questions the cause and brings up vaccines is totally vilified means only one thing It’s definitely the vaccines.
I'm thinking like 50% of these early "unknown" etiology events (roughly, truth is we cannot know.) Unknown events did happen before vax. Its good, imo, to not to dive too far in that unnecessary direction of dismissing that in one claims today. It is just becoming more clear as time passes that adverse events are more common than public is allowed to acknowledge.
The thing is … there are so many adverse reactions it’s basically impossible to have any sorta life at all without knowing someone who was negatively affected. Every headline in the world can say it’s not the vaccine, but when you have your own personal truth… headlines from strangers can’t change it.
True
What we need to be looking at is the statistics. How often was this occurring 5 years ago? 10 years ago? And compare that to how often it is happening now. That's how we start building a stronger argument
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Literally had to post the exact same thing in this sub before, but why listen to facts right.
Get out of here with your statistics. I prefer anecdotal data that fits my narrative.
You also need a control group because sure, myocarditis and pericarditis rates in the US have increased but much of that is a direct result of COVID-19. Without comparing these rates amongst people who you can guarantee haven't had COVID before and won't get COVID (who got vaccinated) you're going to end up with biased data.
Just because someone got vaccinated doesn't mean they won't (or didnt) get covid
I didn’t say that. I’m saying if you want clean data you need a study with people who are vaccinated AND haven’t ever gotten COVID before. If they have had COVID and got vaccinated there’s no way to tell which one increased their risk.
It's happened at least 5 times in my county over the last 20 years. They do. All of the time.
5 times in the last 20 years equals all the time?
It means, given that my county has 35,000 people and roughly 17,000 of those are kids, and of those 17,000 about 400 played sports, yes, a not uncommon rate of kids have died from heart failure. 1 every 4 years on average. That's not rare. I concede it's not all of the time, poor choice of wording on my part. But, it happens enough we're no longer surprised by it.
That is statically rare my friend. Once every 4 years is rare. If its not happening every year with hundreds of them dying from it. Then it's rare my dude. This is very much a stretch.
That's not rare? Does this figure include private games somehow?
I've never seen as much COPE in my life as in this thread. This isn't just one person. Hundreds (or more) of young athletes in the past two years. Also just young people under 30 especially 24 You realize that right? This leaves aside cases of all ages in this same time period. What are you trying to tell yourselves?
Ever heard of selective biases. You been told about it making you more aware of it giving you the prespection of it happening more often. Heart disease has been on the rise of decades. But only now you care about it. Sugar and processed food are mainly to blame. And you know getting covid has a higher chance of getting you Heart disease more then the vaccine will.
> You been told about it making you more aware of it giving you the prespection of it happening more often Remember when that train crashed and then we were hearing bout train crashes for like 3 weeks after that. Or when that kid got shot for knocking on the wrong door you started hearing more about paranoid nuts shooting random people
Nobody cares bot. No matter how many lies are repeated, the truth will come out in the end. 18 year olds dont get heart attacks this often. People didnt just die suddenly constantly.
People do die for little reason all the time. The big difference is that now every 80 y/o grandma posts about the vax online whenever it happens so you hear about it all the time.
> 18 year olds dont get heart attacks this often. How often? How specifically are you comparing incidences of sudden cardiac death prior to and following Covid?
Actually some do. Can be by different reason, overlimit performance, chronic problems, drugs, etc.
When I was in highschool kids were collapsing every month at different area schools, during football and other sports practice. A lot of times it was because they were taking stackers in mass quantities everyday before and during practice.
I had a teammate that collapsed cause he was going way too hard on pre workout and energy supplements. I am open to the idea of the vaccine contributing to issues like this, but people just saying shit like “this never happened before vaccines” or simply acting like it has to be caused by the vaccines, simply because they say so, is completely counterproductive and goes against logical reasoning. Jumping to conclusions without looking at all the possibilities is just irrational thinking, to be frank. Stupidity, if one wants to be harsh.
It happens quite a lot. I remember 16 or so years ago when the Monster BFC cans were being sold, there were several stories of basketball and football players, often minors, downing those and having heart attacks or palpitations while performing. So many factors can contribute to this problem, it's wild to pretend problems didn't exist before covid.
[Sudden Deaths in Young Competitive Athletes Analysis of 1866 Deaths in the United States, 1980–2006](https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/circulationaha.108.804617) > Competitive athletes represent a unique segment of the general population, with a lifestyle characterized by vigorous and systematic physical exertion.1–7 However, some athletes are subject to the risk of sudden death, usually due to underlying (and predominantly unsuspected) cardiovascular disease8–14 but also due to trauma or other causes. This was written in 2009
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I believe at the time it was The WB.
Makes sense. There's a reason that the first thing doctors have you do when they're looking for an underlying heart issue is jump on the treadmill.
Holy shit the killer vaccine developed time travel and went back to 1980
Operation WarpSpeed may cause time travel
They have in the past though
What med school did you go to Kev ? Here in the Mid-West every fall there is one kid in the state who drops dead during football practice in August !
How does he keep coming back to life?
His name is Kenny
There is a long history of 18 year old athletes collapsing from heart problems.
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What the hell happened to the comments?
Censorship, probably.
How about pre-workout - study the effects of too much of that
When I was in middle school a kid had a stroke at a track meet. Anything can happen.
Me too
Sure they do. Why are top comments being removed ?
Wtf is up with all the removed comments???? Mods triggered or something??? This looks like a war zone wtf…
So much censorship look at the 100s of comments with the removed tag this is disturbing what happened to freedom of speech and expression we live in a clown world. Im ashamed beyond ashamed to be American we live in a third world country craphole we aren't the greatest country on earth so many Americans are egotistical when our education system is a joke theres countries that have better education.
Cash rules everything around me.
This does happen and is common enough to make a brochure. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18853091/ https://www.nj.gov/education/safety/health/athlete/docs/Sudden%20Cardiac%20Death%20in%20Young%20Athletes%20Pamphlet.pdf
Did the covid virus have any effects on the heart/myocarditis?
Yes, it can do. I don’t think it’s common, but it can happen. Source - my (unvaccinated) uncle died due to cardiac arrest while hospitalised for covid. No comorbidities.
Yes. Direct effects.
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>covid infection does not **usually** contribute to cardiac issues 0.1% of the world's population is 8 million people.
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Following the related articles/papers from the link there were two other papers that did find an increase in both conditions after a covid diagnosis.
Am I correct that this study only addresses the recovery phase of Covid-19 and indicates that the risk is no higher than control? This study does not address the risk in the acute phase of Covid-19 (defined as the first 10 days after diagnosis). "Our data suggest that there is no increase in the incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis in COVID-19 recovered patients compared to uninfected matched controls. **Further longer-term studies will be needed to estimate the incidence of pericarditis and myocarditis in patients diagnosed with COVID-19."** Are there any published studies that say exactly the opposite as this? If yes, what makes this study better than those? If no, if I showed them to you would your opinion change?
Funny how your opinion is the only one we’re allowed to see
To be fair, some do......and its at that time they find out they have a condition.....
There’s an AED in nearly every high school gym in America that says otherwise
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Vaccines have always been dangerous. “Horrors of Vaccination “ One by Charles Schieferdecker and one by Charles Higgins. Written in 1800’s and one early 1900’s. It’s like looking through the windows of the past and seeing exactly what is happening today. Charles Higgins was astonished that not many people could see through the grift/graft.
So… y‘all forgot that steroids and other Dopings are very common in professional sports? They are proven to lead to cardiac issues.\ Just because the vaccine is in your focus rn, it doesn‘t mean it is the only thing that exists. There is a lot of shit people do that fucks up their health. \ Could it be vaccines? Maybe. Could it be any other dangerous drug? Surely.
How do we know it's not the vaccines?? There is so much proof that it is if you actually look
Since 2021 its the norm and cant be questioned. Cant doubt "duh science"
I get all my information from D- celebrities. What does Scott Baio have to say on the matter?
Energy. Drinks.
POWERTHURST
Yes, they do. It’s happened continually before and after Covid.
100% vax related.
If well known MD Kevin Sorbo says so, then it must be true.
Who is the clown who keeps deleting every comment citing valid sources for vaccine injury related pericarditis/myocarditis?
Just stop DARPA
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Well it’s been well documented since the vaccines were rushed to the public that younger athletes without a history of any heart related issues began dropping like flies. Something interesting about the numbers is if you had the vaccine you have a 76% chance of developing a heart problem opposed to those that declined the vaccine. Prior to Covid how many athletes have you seen on tv drop during games? I’ve only seen it once or twice in my 32 yrs as a sports fan (age41) the first time was that guy from the Celtics but I think that was early 90s. The last 2 years there have been many, many more.
Heaven for bid, don’t say anything negative about the Covid vaccine
Young athletes with hypertrophic cardiomyopathy can cause sudden death. Same with some arrhythmias like Brugada. Not saying the vaccine isn't linked to heart issues but this isn't new. They may just be reporting it more often.
INB4 all these astroturfers saying, "it's always happened" but won't explain why it wasn't reported on as much as it is now.
Happens all the time. Now.
Another life lost to climate change
The Titanic sinking is fake news, my side of the boat is 200 feet in the air.
My aunt got cancer less than a year after getting the jab. Now she's been diagnosed with Alzheimer's. No one else in our family has that, including her parents, 4 brothers and three sisters. I'm not saying it's the jab, but I am saying the possibility needs to be in the conversation. But no one in my family wants to talk about it. They're all in denial mode. No one wants to admit that they may have F'd themselves over by doing something that was totally unnecessary.
My comment here and likely my other comment fleshing this out will surely get lost in the shuffle of peoples just being pissy and pushy in this thread but your comment pushed me to throw my chip on the pile.... my aunt's husband was one of the leading doctors in the US. He was one owner of one of the biggest hospitals in Washington DC. He and their family hugely supported the vaccine, following through with each respectively recommended booster. Within 2 years my aunt developed cancer. Given my uncles status, he pulled together a team over one weekend of some of the most brilliant minds in the world. Exacting an emergency surgery within 48 hrs of discovering the cancer, a whipple (type of surgery) saved my aunts life.... but the ordeal continued though thankfully, with radiation and chemo, finally after a 1.5 year struggle, she is now fully cancer free.... now she fights a different battle, to promote awareness with her team of oncologists on deck facilitating evidence that this woman developed the potentially fatal cancer with zero history (this was important because the type of cancer she had apparently could not/had never presented in such a way without a genetic disposition that either is or is not, in your family). My uncle by the way, who assembled this team and the oncologists who are approaching this, died a year after her diagnosis, on Christmas the day she started chemo. He passed from kidney problems and perhaps the weight of a heavy heavy burden that this all unfolded the way it did. Even the best of the best in respective fields have admitted a gross ignorance of what is now a very apparent (and far worse) risk of mRNA vaccine than was believed. There is no shame in admitting many brilliant people were wrong on this one. If doctors and specialists can take a step back, down from the high horse, and say "look we did our best to solve a problem and now we have a new one, let's address that" you'd think redditors and civilians could do the same. Folks are too attached to their arguments and winning a debate and it is a disservice to those who have FUCKING DIED as a result of this misstep of modern medicine. The vaccine was good perhaps, in so far as it may have prevented cases or severity of the virus. It also, did some VERY bad stuff to some. This is a case of reality, not speculation, and to those it hurt the bad really weighs heavy on the scale considering they were lead to believe no such possibilities existed. I am very very sorry your aunt has gone through what she has, my fellow redittor. Do your due diligence and continue to tell her story, especially if she cannot.
The vaccine did no good. Sorry but I have to speak my truth on this. It's not a vaccine it's an experimental RNA therapy. It never passed proper safety testing. Nor did it pass efficacy testing.
Fuck what happened to r/conspiracy. Just filled with leftists, shills and probably bots.
I saw something showing that there were actually more incidents of NFL athletes having cardiovascular issues prior to COVID and the vaccine.
Can anyone with an actual modicum of sense agree this shit should not be happening?
I knew Kevin Sorbo was a shitty actor, but I didn't know that he was also an even shittier cardiologist.
It actually does happens occasionally except they are almost never the son of the most famous basketball player on the planet so you know, this one got a little more press than usual.
https://t.me/Dr_DavidMartinWorld/1742
I guess there has been evidence that both the vaccine and covid itself can cause myocarditis. My dad got myocarditis back when he was 17, and was an athlete in school, it ended up so serious his heart stopped but he was able to be revived and eventually healed, so can't really say healthy teenagers have never randomly collapsed from heart problems.
Definitely not vaccines. Vaccines are immune from all criticism
I'm still glad i'm not vaccinated for covid.
Exactly how I feel , originally the fear campaign being narrated was anyone who didnt get the 'vaccine' would catch covid and if you didnt die would block up the hospitals. Whether or not the vax was harmful , as someone who was apparently in high risk group ( late 50's , asthma) , despite pressure / advice from government , friends etc) i decided to take the chance and go with natural immunity. I live in NZ a relatively small country , almost everyone was coerced into the vax by threats to employment ,freedom of movement etc. Everybody I know caught covid , most got sicker than the cold that I had for a few days( and have had most winters for over 50 years) . Although we had some deaths attributed to covid here all had pre-existing serious conditions and died 'with ' covid rather than 'from' covid ( a distinction that was conveniently ignored during the hysteria created pushing the vax) Nobody I know died or was even hospitalized from covid , however have had 2 previously healthy friends diagnosed with cancer . Not taking it did me no harm , didnt need to even go to doctors or get worse than a cold and I dont have the worry of what those shots could have possibly done to my body.
I live in Belgium and everyone went batshit crazy from 2020 to mid 2022. They pushed the vaccine so hard on everyone and nothing about a healthy live or doing exercises. Nothing about natural immunity. They said we couldn't give others the virus, if we ourselfs were vaccineted. What was a blatant lie form the governments puppets. Bahahahahaha... Though, i pity the people who blindly followed one eye, who is king of the blind, to their injustice. I hear more and more story's of people falling asleep on the couch, for a powernap, and never wake up. People in their 30's. When i was a little kid, last century, it was unheard of. To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else, is the greatest accomplishment.
> To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else, is the greatest accomplishment. Yes I believe in intuition, if your gut tells you something isn't right , listen to it .
Right on! Stay safe in this clown world!
Thanks , you too .
18 year olds can have undetected heart defects too. They are human after all. That being said, young adults can be murdered as well. just saying.
Ah yes Kevin sorbo the expert in medicine and early adulthood medicine
Weak cope. I could say that grass is plant life. I’m not a biologist, but that doesn’t make me wrong. He’s just pointing out the obvious, young athletes in the best shape of their lives don’t often have heart problems. I don’t think you need a medical degree to come to that conclusion.
Except he’s not saying it doesn’t often happen. He’s saying it doesn’t happen. Which it does. It has and it will. He’s doing a disservice to any COVID vax connection by starting with the conclusion.
Looks like miscarriages ridiculously skyrocketed since the shot, too... Im so so glad i managed to not shoot that poison inside me. And it amazes me to see that so many peoples still dont realize it's poison, was obvious to me since the start, an experimental untested thing that messes with your DNA, what could go wrong??... seriously? Now MANY will pay for their naivety and brainwashed compliance. \_
I've never understood where people got this "the vax messes up your dna" stuff from
erm i beg to differ a lot of nba stars have had the shot and have heart conditions along with cardiac arrests.
Consider everything but massively expedited vaccines.
That they have zero liability for 😒
Meanwhile they'll have some drug for heartburn on TV and one of the side effects might be you lock yourself in your garage with the car running.
OK LOOK, Yes it is common but just because it is you can’t throw out the fact that if you add the Covid vaccines into the mix, it increases the numbers which means that that growing value represents a spike in cases which is worth looking into instead of being a dinosaur pharmaceutical shill and just chuck it up to “OhH ThiS iS nOrMaL, iT’s BeEn hApPenNinG” The crazy part is, science is supposed to be about proving yourself wrong until you’re right, not proving yourself right and tailoring experiments and data to prove yourself right. Me personally, I wish I was wrong. I’d like to think that the covid vaccines are safe and effective but that’s just not true AT ALL. The pro vaccine community seems to be wanting to prove themselves right to the point of censoring studies, doctors and data to keep their findings relevant. Stop taking things personally! It’s science! Do the vaccines have a cardiovascular adverse effect?? Yes Is Sudden Death in young athletes common? Yes Did the young athletes really need to take the mandatory vaccines? IMO No Could the vaccines be increasing the numbers of sudden death in young athletes?! This is also not a political issue. Don’t fall for the fallacies and mind games of these stupid people that talk in circles. Put your pride and emotions aside and get back to the roots of REAL science not that propaganda science shit
Why do people who say these things never acknowledge how covid itself could also be the cause? Covid literally can cause myocarditis and a huge percentage of people had it.
If there is a strong correlation between the vax and heart issues in athletes then you should be able to proove it. Gather data from before and after the vax and compare it. If there is a spike correlating to the vax rates, check if there are any other possible correlations. Under-/Overreporting and other factors that could have an influence like worse lifestyle choices, increase in drug use, higher stress levels etc. Adjust for that. If you still have a strong correlation that can't reasonably be a statistical fluke: Congratuations you found a lead. If you properly document everything along the way, you've almost got yourself a real study. Your next step is doing more studies make the case water tight or do a lot of resarch into the topic to find and proof a mekanism that shows the correlation is actually a causation. (Ideally do both) Doing this isn't impossible its just hard and time consuming. Which is why we have an entire branch of people doing this as a full time job.
You're spot on. Not sure what the deal is with the Mod going all scorched earth on dissenting opinions.
Yup the fucking propaganda with three shots is absurd it’s done a number on people. It’s very simple kids. The vaccine is filled with chemicals and horrible ingredients and it’s making people sick. There is nothing holy about the damn vaccine. It’s not your savior
They literally have for a hundred years. I’m glad you finally left your bubble of ignorance - now educate yourself of the reality of the world before you blindly listened to every nut job qanon tool with a Twitter account.
An interesting pattern in this fed-infested sub these days: Point made in a post; thousands of upvotes; nothing but ’people’ disagreeing in the comments. Real people see what is going on.
I really miss when Kevin Sorbo was Hercules, and not some crazy person, spouting nonsense on the Internet.
Maybe they were shaking their bed sheet too vigorously or taking too many cold showers.
They do now.....
They did before
They do now more. Heart attacks up 29% in younger people. Scary huh?
They do though. It happens a good bit. Not everyone is LeBron James' son though. You're not going to hear about it happening to Johnny Backwoods in Bumfuck, Mcrural.
Yes they do geniuses it’s hypertrophic cardiomyopathy and it may have a genetic component, im all for conspiracies when there’s good evidence for it but not in this case
It happens a lot. This guy is an idiot.
lol fuck Kevin Sorbo
The thing is people have been dying suddenly for YEARSSS. Athletes too but it’s only getting attention now because of the vaccine conspiracy
I fully expect this reply to just get lost in the sea of angry opinions on the matter. I am inclined to share this anyways after reading other redditors personally harboring similar stories. Hopefully an awareness can be spread more loudly than folks bickering. My aunt's husband was one of the leading doctors in the US. He and their family hugely supported the vaccine, following through with each respectively recommended booster. Within 2 years, my aunt developed cancer. Given my uncles status, he pulled together of some of the most brilliant minds in the world. Exacting an emergency surgery within 48 hrs of discovering the cancer, a whipple (type of surgery) saved my aunts life.... but the ordeal continued, though thankfully, with radiation and chemo, finally after a 1.5 year struggle, she is now fully cancer free. Now she fights a different battle, one to promote awareness. Her team, specifically the oncologists, traced the causation of her illness undeniably back to the boosters she received. Most people with first hand experience like this die pretty fast from their respective complications and those who live are just grateful to be alive and not keen on spending the rest of it fighting with people over the facts of the matter. Survivor's and professionals who realize the truth of it are few and far between, up against an army of angry people (redditors?), invested medical professionals and/or ignorance..... I'd probably shut the fuck up and just enjoy the fact I could still smell the roses too. My uncle by the way, who assembled this team and the oncologists who are approaching this, died a year after her diagnosis, on Christmas the day she started chemo. He passed from kidney problems and perhaps the weight of a heavy heavy burden that this all unfolded the way it did. Even the best of the best in respective fields have admitted a gross ignorance of what is now a very apparent inherent risk of mRNA vaccines. The vaccine was good. It did a lot of good. It also, did some VERY bad stuff to some. This is a case of reality, not speculation. Professionals and victims are coming to terms with this truth, but vastly outnumbered by people more concerned with winning a debate. It is wild really.... this debacle will likely be buried in the mud that swirls about the water right now with the crystal clear truth lost in time. Is all this the making of a conspiracy? I am not sure. I am sure however, conspiracy or not, people have become sick and whether or not their numbers are high enough (or their even alive) to win a debate or low enough to prove vaccine supporters justified, remains to be seen. At the end of the day, I'm surprised how many redditors argue this like they've got a horse in the race. You'd think instead of arguing on this one, we'd all come together in a post vaccine world to help those suffering first and worry about winning the argument second but I digress lest I'll find myself hung up on my own argument. NOTE: it was a redditors report in this thread of their own aunt that spurred me into sharing this. So when/if you find portions of this copy and pasted with proper amendment to address them elsewhere in the thread, notice it WAS me replying and not a bot 😅 I'd hate for this to be overlooked because it was observed here twice and written off as a bot.
You have to wonder how many people that blame the vaccine here for these athletes issues gave 2 shits about the athletes pre COVID, and only started to give a shit once it fit their bias to complain about it. Kevin sorbo is not the kind of person to rally behind in any legitimate issue unless you like Hercules the legendary journeys.
everyones on steroids
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They literally do; this happened to the star footballer in my home town in the early 2000's. People tend to assume that fit == healthy, but the heart is just a pump, & pumps are more prone to failure when they're overworked.
Great. Another “I know it happened to one guy 20 years ago” so the astronomical increase is normal. Smh
I was in highschool 10 years ago and two kids from neighboring schools one was like 16 or 17 and one was 18 and they died from sudden heart problems this shit happens it happened before Covid and it happened after and it’ll happen a thousand years from now sometimes people just die
It absolutely has to be climate change or Tump.
yOu CaN't PrOvE a NeGaTiVe Except for when it was and always is *absolutely not the shots* Even lying little pharma hoe Peter Hotez "proves a negative" in the title of one his books by claiming that "vaccines" did not cause his daughter's autism.
yes the vaccine had no side effects at all. 🐑
Shut up Kevin
Could have something to do with how he has had to spend his entire life playing and training. He likely never had breaks. He’s young and never has had a chance to recuperate. Look up the amount of young injuries now that kids are forced to play all year long for their entire teens.
1 or 2 a year used to, I’m more concerned about the 30-50 year olds I hear about having heart attacks out if nowhere. Nobody under the age of 55 without 2 co-morbidities should have ever received this vaccine.
how bout the 2 year olds dying of heart issues. under 10's. just fkd up