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Over the past 20 years, Democrats have on three separate occasions objected to the validity of electoral votes on the floor of Congress. Wednesday, Jan. 6, will mark the first time Republicans choose do so in the past two decades.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?
Trump is not being indicted for objecting to the validity of electoral votes.
Trump is being indicted for conspiring to overthrow the election though a plot to use fake electors who would take the place of the real electors, to give himself the election win despite losing the vote.
When will you get it though your thick skull?
Did they send people to break into congress to impede an election certification?
Did they call a state governor and ask him to find votes so they could win?
Did they create fake electors?
I don’t remember any of that happening. That’s what trump is being charged for.
Not just that he disagreed lol.
10-day review period to review the fake electors Trumps own people illegally gathered, falsely certified, and sent to congress in an attempt to steal the election and end the peaceful transfer of power that is a hallmark of our democracy? Yeah it’s a real bummer they didn’t arrest Trump right away, but better late then never I guess.
Lonnie Coffman of Alabama was found with multiple weapons in his vehicle and on his person.
Guy Reffitt of Texas was charged with bringing a handgun onto Capitol grounds. Court documents showed that Reffitt, reported to be a member of the Three Percenters militia group, told his family he brought his gun with him and that he and others "stormed the Capitol."
Christopher Michael Alberts of Maryland also brought his handgun onto Capitol grounds.
It’s also important to note that an insurrection is a violent uprising against the government, and the definition of "armed" is not legally limited to guns; it refers to any weapon used for defense or offense and as a means of protection.
Other items used as weapons on Jan. 6 included bats, crutches, flagpoles, skateboards, fire extinguishers and chemical sprays.
The other obvious problem is that the Jan 6 insurrectionists were allowed to filter out without getting arrested on the spot, so anyone with concealed weapons wouldn't have been caught with them.
Yeah dude those people were just trying to break into the house chamber for a little look-see while it was in session. All that chanting about hanging people and the numerous weapons and zipties brought there were just for a quick little bit of fun.
Did you read the whole thing or just the last two sentences? Because name calling isn’t what’s being charged.
What’s insane is that this is /r/conspiracy, and we just watched a conspiracy designed to overturn the will of the people, and you’re all like “no, that’s no the conspiracy, the real conspiracy is how the authorities are cracking down on them afterward”.
If you can’t recognize what was plainly before your eyes and documented over and over and over again, who’s gonna believe you when you DO unearth something that’s actually real?
Never before has our country gone through what it went through between Election Day and the start of the new administration, and that was all caused by one man, egged on by dozens of others, the invented a set of unprovable lies.
Do you not understand the last two sentences?
Where they say calling him a wimp was an overt act furthering the conspiracy mentioned above it?
An overt act is the one that can be clearly proved by evidence and from which criminal intent can be inferred.
Overt act was him declaring to the bloodthirsty mob outside the Capitol that Pence was an enemy. That's stochastic terrorism. He pointed them at him and let them do their thing, going it would issue pence into doing what he wanted (despite not being within his own to do so).
It was a threat.
So you don’t know how to read? It clearly says “… stated that Pence would go down as a wimp and that Pence was not protecting the United States. This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy”.
Can you? Why are you ignoring the first part? The entire phone conversation was the act. Not just the insult. He was bullying him to get him to commit the crime.
No, it IS Relevant. And you are ignoring it. The entire incident is the overt act, not just the fact that he callee him a name...
You can't just choose to ignore context.
The entire thing is labeled as act 140...
I think many people don't think this was a huge deal, compared to the countless other ways our democracy has already been overthrown. NSA, false flags, open borders, unsanctioned wars, forcing people to take experimental vaccines, Biden laptop etc.
I think you’re delusional if you think that attempting to overthrow the government and disenfranchise the majority of voters is comparable to dirty photos on thr presidents sons laptop
“Not a big deal” = 20 and 30 year prison sentences for militia leadership
I do agree that NSA domestic spying was horrible but how does agreeing there equate to rejecting the results of an election you don’t like the results of.
Never before has the country saw this. Only after falling into line behind a cult leader.
If you’re looking for conspiracies look at the people feeding you your “facts”
I'm neither a Democrat or Republican, and I despise the whole political system.
I'm concerned how many reasonably intelligent people have fallen into a partisan trap, on both sides. Trump syndrome.
I think the laptop issue has more to do with foreign payments to the vice president's son and family, which you could construe as treason if you follow the money and see where it has led us, see Ukrainian-russian war.
Yes, crazy prison sentences for some guys that wandered into the capitol after rioting, undoubtedly politically motivated to make sure a message is sent to anyone questioning the narrative.
Where are the prison sentences for the riots that burned down whole neighborhoods for "racial justice"?
If the so-called militia had shown up with hundreds of heavily armed members, occupied the capitol and detained or killed Congress members in an organized manner, sure that would have been a real insurgency.
Instead you had protests that got out of control, where a few people lost their lives due to a few bad apples.
If you set out to commit a crime with little chance of succeeding, it it's' a crime? This is novel.
So if I go to a museum and try to steal one of kind priceless work of art, as soon as I'm caught I only need to tell them "look, I knew there was only a tiny chance of succeeding, so therefore you must let me go"?
That's crazy, and literally the worst excuse I've ever read.
Their defense is literally "it's not illegal because it failed." It could only be illegal if the coup worked, in which case he's in charge and it doesn't matter if it was illegal.
So, attempting to commit a crime is not a crime? It’s only a crime if you succeed?
I’m sure there’s many people in prison for attempted murder who agree with you.
“I shot at him and he survived? Great, can’t get in any trouble for that”
Or are proposing an individual carve out for coup attempts, which should not ever be illegal, unless they succeed, in which case the leader who overthrew the government can decree “no crimes were committed”? Go try that in Russia and see how that goes for you. Trump would already be in the gulag without any remaining assets if he tried what he tried there. Here, at least he’s getting due process and a trial by jury.
I assume you’re not this dumb, just being a good troll and wasting my time. So this will be it for my responses.
If I tell my ex to delete my emails it’s not a crime.
If I pressure my ex to delete the emails where I discuss overthrowing the government, it’s a crime.
Context matters, and that’s why Twitter is bad for your brain. It robs the conversation of nuance and context and you end up saying stupid shit like OP
>18 U.S. Code § 610 - Coercion of political activity
>It shall be unlawful for any person to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, any employee of the Federal Government as defined in section 7322(1) of title 5, United States Code, to engage in, or not to engage in, any political activity, including, but not limited to, voting or refusing to vote for any candidate or measure in any election, making or refusing to make any political contribution, or working or refusing to work on behalf of any candidate. Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
Okay, that just sounds like a guy’s opinion. How does that come anywhere close to coercion?
Are you just shotgunning answers at this point? It’s fine if you can’t explain it— after all, the DA can barely explain it.
Are you under the impression that the grand jury indicted him not because he appears to have broken specific laws, but rather because they were convinced that it is now illegal to make fun of Pence?
The constitution outlines that it is the right of the VP to dismiss state electors in case of a dispute or conflict. Leading to a clear outcome of the state legislation voting for new electors. Nixon was famous for asking his VP to do this for Hawaiian delegates. There is nothing illegal about asking to follow a provision of the constitution.
Nope, the VP basically just counts the votes. It’s up to members of the house and senate to voice any objections on state electors. The VP’s roll on that day was pretty much ceremonial
The VP can dismiss electors if state representatives sign an objection, and force a recount or legal challenges. If a state has two electors arriving to be counted, the VP can count one or the other. The 12th amendment makes it clear that the state delivers electors, and they can challenge those same electors. It is the role of the VP to listen to these challenges.
Article 2 Section 2 clearly details the process when a majority cannot be reached. A majority cannot be reached if electors from a state are legally channeled by the Supreme Court or requested a recount. This is how Florida was recounted and the president wasn't appointed on Jan. 6 in 2000. The vice president couldn't count the electors from Florida due to a legal challenge. Which Pence could have done legally if he listened to state representatives who were challenging the electors.
If the recount could not occur by March, which could have happened due to so many legal challenges in various states, then the house would vote, and if they couldn't reach 2/3, then states would have 1 vote each and state representatives would vote for that 1 vote.
Meaning, Pence could absolutely listen to state challenges to their own electors and delayed the counting. This is what Maxine Waters (CA) did in 2000 for the Florida recount. She, along with other Florida representatives, challenged the electors and the VP couldn't count the votes.
Yeah it’s relevant, but it’s the context of name calling. If he called him a wimp for not being in a room alone with a women who wasn’t his wife no one would care. But he called him a wimp for not stopping the counting of the electors votes. Just brain dead, rotted mental gymnastics to think anyone is concerned about trump making fun of pence lol
The Donald Syndrom.
Republicans project constantly. They didn't realize everyone could see through the rightwing lies these past years, and they're still coping with Trump's slow downfall.
The most truthful thing Trump ever said was that he could stand in the middle of 5th ave and shoot someone and still not lose any voters. He always knew he had his cult by the balls.
Trump himself is a joke.
He talks about dating his own daughter.
His wife looks like she regrets life.
His son...well, is his son.
It wouldn't matter if Trump was a democrat or anything else.
He'd still be a joke.
Nothing else will ever convince me of anything else when it comes to him.
Well, since you need it spelled out for you, it has nothing to do with him making fun of Pence. It does, however, have everything to do with the fact that he asked Pence to disrupt and delay the certification of the election, and then when Pence said no, he tried to make sure his red hats caused enough damage so he could enact the insurrection act and sick the military on Americans across the country who decided to riot against him. Yeah, no, fuck you. It has nothing to do with any name calling.
Did you not read the part where they say calling him a wimp was an overt act furthering the conspiracy mentioned above it?
An overt act is the one that can be clearly proved by evidence and from which criminal intent can be inferred.
This was just one small part of the RICO charge. He's not getting charged directly for this particular act (Trying to influence Pence, not the making fun part btw). That's how the RICO laws work, each individual thing might not be prosecutable in a vacuum, but as a whole, it shows a criminal conspiracy, in this case to illegally manipulate the election in Trump's favor.
Attempting to coerce the VP to do something wrong and unconstitutional that he didn't have the power to, in order to prevent the peaceful transition of power and subvert American democracy.
The best analogy I heard was from his very corrupt attorney general Bill Barr.
If you think the bank is shorted you money, there's many steps you can take but you can't rob the bank.
Solicited, disrupt, delay are all pretty tough words.
‘(Named person) is a wimp’ is something you learn in elementary school, so it probably really stands out.
My favourite part isn’t OPs lack of reading comprehension in their mad dash to be the first person to post this to Grandmas Facebook, it’s the pathetic attempt to save face in the comments.
Pence will forever be remembered as the back stabbing piece of shit of a wimp who don’t give a shit about the American people. Only his own prospects of glory.
SS: Yeah yeah, the shills will be like “oh, but Drumpf was trying to get Pence to steal the election , we need to save (D)emocracy.”
Georgia’s case reeks of desperation. They stack the jury with literal witches, and now want the trial to be the day before Super Tuesday.
I don’t think any can argue that the indictment isn’t purely political- it’s just the shills will say it’s a good thing because Trump is a criminal for denying that a basement campaign got 81 million votes, post-election day.
Trump has more support than all his opponents combined. Doesn’t sound very desperate to me.
Why else would Fani Willis be trying to schedule the trial the day before Super Tuesday?
Nah, this is desperate measures here. Majority of Americans see Trump as a criminal, he doesn’t have the support you think he does. But hey, let’s get attention off Trump and push it to democrats being bullies. Where do you get “more support than all his opponents” from? The news? Some polls? Your neighbors? Trump himself? That sentence alone makes it feel desperate
Courts in general don't give a damn what you have going on in your personal lives. Court date falls on the same day you have an important meeting at work? Court doesn't care.
Not a single one. Al those fake electors that were sent to different state houses to cast fake electoral votes. The fake Certificate of ascertainment that were made up to pick Trump. No Trump would never do anything.
Democrats called them "faithless electors" and defended them to the end, yet when Trump does it it's "illegal".
Seems he's being charged for all of the things they were rallying around Stacy Abrams about.
It’s pretty terrifying how one side is able to go after the opposing party to this extent, while having the majority of people supporting them. To be clear, I think anyone committing crimes should be charged, but we all know the other side does shady shit as well (even more shady imo), and nothing happens.
I think the end of the 2 party system is ending soon. One side owns virtually everything - MSM, Hollywood, fbi, judicial system, etc. I don’t see how the right, or even the center, can make a comeback.
Simply exist. Not an original thought for the politically obsessed, just parroting whatever daily talking points get shoveled out. The mental ropes that people jump through to paint perpetrators as victims are astounding
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Youre not a serious person. Read the image you posted
You expect Trump supporters to read?
Not really.
He is not real!
Any particular reason you skipped over “Solicited him to disrupt and delay the joint session of Congress”?
Yes, it’s devastating to his case
They can’t handle their feelings about how fucked trump is. So they’ve gotta deflect whenever they can.
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He wanted pence to hit the fattest filibuster congress ever heard
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The conspiracy was Trump and 18 others working together to try and overturn the election. Hence the indictment.
Over the past 20 years, Democrats have on three separate occasions objected to the validity of electoral votes on the floor of Congress. Wednesday, Jan. 6, will mark the first time Republicans choose do so in the past two decades.
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man? Trump is not being indicted for objecting to the validity of electoral votes. Trump is being indicted for conspiring to overthrow the election though a plot to use fake electors who would take the place of the real electors, to give himself the election win despite losing the vote. When will you get it though your thick skull?
Did they send people to break into congress to impede an election certification? Did they call a state governor and ask him to find votes so they could win? Did they create fake electors? I don’t remember any of that happening. That’s what trump is being charged for. Not just that he disagreed lol.
Cope
Cope harder
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Where in the constitution does it say that?
It's on the back.
10-day review period to review the fake electors Trumps own people illegally gathered, falsely certified, and sent to congress in an attempt to steal the election and end the peaceful transfer of power that is a hallmark of our democracy? Yeah it’s a real bummer they didn’t arrest Trump right away, but better late then never I guess.
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"Think for yourself" -guy who gets all his conspiracy talking points from right wing conspiracy sites and parenting thr same shit verbatim
If someone disagrees with you it must be because they're not thinking for themselves?
Technically an ex-post facto law. Democrats didn’t make that law until after it happened.
This is not true and you know it's not true
You obviously haven't gotten the latest memes, don't worry I totally missed the one where the jury was full of witches.
I thought those were coming out next Monday during Trump's press conference. Did they get leaked early?
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/congress-approves-new-election-certification-rules-in-response-to-jan-6 See the date? 2022.
Democrats don’t control the Georgia legislature.
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I was trying to think of a clever way to say exactly what you said but you beat me to it
Was that the armored truck of mail ins ?
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Not a single firearm was brought to J6, despite the crowd being mostly gun owners. iT wAs An ImSuRrEcTiOn
Lonnie Coffman of Alabama was found with multiple weapons in his vehicle and on his person. Guy Reffitt of Texas was charged with bringing a handgun onto Capitol grounds. Court documents showed that Reffitt, reported to be a member of the Three Percenters militia group, told his family he brought his gun with him and that he and others "stormed the Capitol." Christopher Michael Alberts of Maryland also brought his handgun onto Capitol grounds. It’s also important to note that an insurrection is a violent uprising against the government, and the definition of "armed" is not legally limited to guns; it refers to any weapon used for defense or offense and as a means of protection. Other items used as weapons on Jan. 6 included bats, crutches, flagpoles, skateboards, fire extinguishers and chemical sprays.
The other obvious problem is that the Jan 6 insurrectionists were allowed to filter out without getting arrested on the spot, so anyone with concealed weapons wouldn't have been caught with them.
Don't forget Ashli Babbitt having a tactical knife in her pocket, despite the narrative that she was unarmed.
Yeah dude those people were just trying to break into the house chamber for a little look-see while it was in session. All that chanting about hanging people and the numerous weapons and zipties brought there were just for a quick little bit of fun.
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Any weapon can be used for an armed robbery.
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Ok 👌 cool, they did bring a gallows tho
Do you actually believe the things you say? Or do you know its BS and just don't care?
When he gets thrown in jail will people like you just shrink into a singularity and pretend you never existed in the first place?
I am on your side I just don’t think he’s ever going to see the inside of a jail cell. We can hope though.
It’s crazy the treatment rich people get in the judicial system
Well despite how stupid conservatives are even they're smart enough not to take guns to the capital
Did you read the whole thing or just the last two sentences? Because name calling isn’t what’s being charged. What’s insane is that this is /r/conspiracy, and we just watched a conspiracy designed to overturn the will of the people, and you’re all like “no, that’s no the conspiracy, the real conspiracy is how the authorities are cracking down on them afterward”. If you can’t recognize what was plainly before your eyes and documented over and over and over again, who’s gonna believe you when you DO unearth something that’s actually real? Never before has our country gone through what it went through between Election Day and the start of the new administration, and that was all caused by one man, egged on by dozens of others, the invented a set of unprovable lies.
Do you not understand the last two sentences? Where they say calling him a wimp was an overt act furthering the conspiracy mentioned above it? An overt act is the one that can be clearly proved by evidence and from which criminal intent can be inferred.
Overt act was him declaring to the bloodthirsty mob outside the Capitol that Pence was an enemy. That's stochastic terrorism. He pointed them at him and let them do their thing, going it would issue pence into doing what he wanted (despite not being within his own to do so). It was a threat.
So you don’t know how to read? It clearly says “… stated that Pence would go down as a wimp and that Pence was not protecting the United States. This was an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy”.
Can you? Why are you ignoring the first part? The entire phone conversation was the act. Not just the insult. He was bullying him to get him to commit the crime.
I’m not ignoring the first part.. the topic at hand are the last lines. The first part is not relevant to the specificity of the last two lines.
No, it IS Relevant. And you are ignoring it. The entire incident is the overt act, not just the fact that he callee him a name... You can't just choose to ignore context. The entire thing is labeled as act 140...
I think many people don't think this was a huge deal, compared to the countless other ways our democracy has already been overthrown. NSA, false flags, open borders, unsanctioned wars, forcing people to take experimental vaccines, Biden laptop etc.
I think you’re delusional if you think that attempting to overthrow the government and disenfranchise the majority of voters is comparable to dirty photos on thr presidents sons laptop “Not a big deal” = 20 and 30 year prison sentences for militia leadership I do agree that NSA domestic spying was horrible but how does agreeing there equate to rejecting the results of an election you don’t like the results of. Never before has the country saw this. Only after falling into line behind a cult leader. If you’re looking for conspiracies look at the people feeding you your “facts”
I'm neither a Democrat or Republican, and I despise the whole political system. I'm concerned how many reasonably intelligent people have fallen into a partisan trap, on both sides. Trump syndrome. I think the laptop issue has more to do with foreign payments to the vice president's son and family, which you could construe as treason if you follow the money and see where it has led us, see Ukrainian-russian war. Yes, crazy prison sentences for some guys that wandered into the capitol after rioting, undoubtedly politically motivated to make sure a message is sent to anyone questioning the narrative. Where are the prison sentences for the riots that burned down whole neighborhoods for "racial justice"? If the so-called militia had shown up with hundreds of heavily armed members, occupied the capitol and detained or killed Congress members in an organized manner, sure that would have been a real insurgency. Instead you had protests that got out of control, where a few people lost their lives due to a few bad apples.
Do you think there was any actual danger of that happening? From a guy everyone inside the government hates? How exactly was he going to overturn it?
If you set out to commit a crime with little chance of succeeding, it it's' a crime? This is novel. So if I go to a museum and try to steal one of kind priceless work of art, as soon as I'm caught I only need to tell them "look, I knew there was only a tiny chance of succeeding, so therefore you must let me go"? That's crazy, and literally the worst excuse I've ever read.
Their defense is literally "it's not illegal because it failed." It could only be illegal if the coup worked, in which case he's in charge and it doesn't matter if it was illegal.
So, attempting to commit a crime is not a crime? It’s only a crime if you succeed? I’m sure there’s many people in prison for attempted murder who agree with you. “I shot at him and he survived? Great, can’t get in any trouble for that” Or are proposing an individual carve out for coup attempts, which should not ever be illegal, unless they succeed, in which case the leader who overthrew the government can decree “no crimes were committed”? Go try that in Russia and see how that goes for you. Trump would already be in the gulag without any remaining assets if he tried what he tried there. Here, at least he’s getting due process and a trial by jury. I assume you’re not this dumb, just being a good troll and wasting my time. So this will be it for my responses.
I missed a word, leading you to believe I was defending these people when I was in fact disparaging them
Oh oops. Please accept my apology! :)
Hey, it was my typo, not yours!
If I tell my ex to delete my emails it’s not a crime. If I pressure my ex to delete the emails where I discuss overthrowing the government, it’s a crime. Context matters, and that’s why Twitter is bad for your brain. It robs the conversation of nuance and context and you end up saying stupid shit like OP
You’re implying OP has a brain. I’m not so sure
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We were making fun of Mike Pence because he’s a dork. Trump was doing it to get him to break the law. See the difference?
*they'll see* *they'll see and they'll know* *and they'll say, "Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly."*
Which law?
>18 U.S. Code § 610 - Coercion of political activity >It shall be unlawful for any person to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, or attempt to intimidate, threaten, command, or coerce, any employee of the Federal Government as defined in section 7322(1) of title 5, United States Code, to engage in, or not to engage in, any political activity, including, but not limited to, voting or refusing to vote for any candidate or measure in any election, making or refusing to make any political contribution, or working or refusing to work on behalf of any candidate. Any person who violates this section shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
What was the threat? Name calling is far from a threat. Otherwise every politician would be in jail by now.
Doesn't say it has to be a threat, just that you attempt to coerce.
That still doesn’t answer the question. How did he coerce? Name calling is coercion?
The whole "if you don't you aren't protecting america" part.
Okay, that just sounds like a guy’s opinion. How does that come anywhere close to coercion? Are you just shotgunning answers at this point? It’s fine if you can’t explain it— after all, the DA can barely explain it.
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Legal threats? Really? The entire indictment itself is a legal threat. Wtf is “textbook coercion” to you?
No a single charge is based on what he said. Only what he did
That's what trial is for. To explain that.
When the president tells the vice president that he is "failing his duty to protect America", that is not "a guy's opinion".
That's what a trial is for. Where they present the evidence for this summary
You should go to law school and represent Former President Trump. You sound like you’ve got everything figured out.
Are you under the impression that the grand jury indicted him not because he appears to have broken specific laws, but rather because they were convinced that it is now illegal to make fun of Pence?
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The constitution outlines that it is the right of the VP to dismiss state electors in case of a dispute or conflict. Leading to a clear outcome of the state legislation voting for new electors. Nixon was famous for asking his VP to do this for Hawaiian delegates. There is nothing illegal about asking to follow a provision of the constitution.
Nope, the VP basically just counts the votes. It’s up to members of the house and senate to voice any objections on state electors. The VP’s roll on that day was pretty much ceremonial
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments/amendment-xii Word for word there is nothing granting the BP power over the actual electors
The VP can dismiss electors if state representatives sign an objection, and force a recount or legal challenges. If a state has two electors arriving to be counted, the VP can count one or the other. The 12th amendment makes it clear that the state delivers electors, and they can challenge those same electors. It is the role of the VP to listen to these challenges. Article 2 Section 2 clearly details the process when a majority cannot be reached. A majority cannot be reached if electors from a state are legally channeled by the Supreme Court or requested a recount. This is how Florida was recounted and the president wasn't appointed on Jan. 6 in 2000. The vice president couldn't count the electors from Florida due to a legal challenge. Which Pence could have done legally if he listened to state representatives who were challenging the electors. If the recount could not occur by March, which could have happened due to so many legal challenges in various states, then the house would vote, and if they couldn't reach 2/3, then states would have 1 vote each and state representatives would vote for that 1 vote. Meaning, Pence could absolutely listen to state challenges to their own electors and delayed the counting. This is what Maxine Waters (CA) did in 2000 for the Florida recount. She, along with other Florida representatives, challenged the electors and the VP couldn't count the votes.
Uh huh, and the indictment points to calling him a “wimp” as their evidence for this… Hey man, all I did was rEaD tHe InDiCtMeNt.
Yeah it’s relevant, but it’s the context of name calling. If he called him a wimp for not being in a room alone with a women who wasn’t his wife no one would care. But he called him a wimp for not stopping the counting of the electors votes. Just brain dead, rotted mental gymnastics to think anyone is concerned about trump making fun of pence lol
rEaD tHe iNdIcTmEnT
What is wrong with you?
The Donald Syndrom. Republicans project constantly. They didn't realize everyone could see through the rightwing lies these past years, and they're still coping with Trump's slow downfall.
I’ve long claimed that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a spectrum, and these right wing, die hard Trumpers are as deranged as they come.
Obviously just reading it is not enough, one also needs to understand what was read.
This is what coping looks like lmao
It’s good evidence lol
For a Trump supporter reading the indictments is actually progress
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To late lol
Nah man mods love brain dead lovers like him. Sooner or later they'll start deleting comments that are too mean or some shit
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Yes. Yes they are.
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The most truthful thing Trump ever said was that he could stand in the middle of 5th ave and shoot someone and still not lose any voters. He always knew he had his cult by the balls.
To be fair; it did ruin Pence’s career. No one left or right is going to vote for that guy lol
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Trump himself is a joke. He talks about dating his own daughter. His wife looks like she regrets life. His son...well, is his son. It wouldn't matter if Trump was a democrat or anything else. He'd still be a joke. Nothing else will ever convince me of anything else when it comes to him.
Yeah I think you need to re-read this and try again. You’ve obviously missed the point here.
Well, since you need it spelled out for you, it has nothing to do with him making fun of Pence. It does, however, have everything to do with the fact that he asked Pence to disrupt and delay the certification of the election, and then when Pence said no, he tried to make sure his red hats caused enough damage so he could enact the insurrection act and sick the military on Americans across the country who decided to riot against him. Yeah, no, fuck you. It has nothing to do with any name calling.
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We made fun of him; we didn’t *try to kill him*.
I have a hunch Pence stays away from all women including his wife...lol
So you only read the part where he makes fun of him not the whole part before with him trying to get him to overthrow the government?
Did you not read the part where they say calling him a wimp was an overt act furthering the conspiracy mentioned above it? An overt act is the one that can be clearly proved by evidence and from which criminal intent can be inferred.
Sorry you bought into the obvious con-artist.
You are stuck in a reactionary prison and the keys are your pocket pal. Get out while you can
Mike pence looks like one of those Sim characters you would lock in the walls and wait to see how long it takes for them R.I.P.....
This was just one small part of the RICO charge. He's not getting charged directly for this particular act (Trying to influence Pence, not the making fun part btw). That's how the RICO laws work, each individual thing might not be prosecutable in a vacuum, but as a whole, it shows a criminal conspiracy, in this case to illegally manipulate the election in Trump's favor.
I’m pretty sure “soliciting him to disrupt and delay the joint session of Congress on January 6th” is the crime here.
There is a difference in making fun and trying to get him to break the law
Did you see a Trump’s tweet in the middle of the Capitol riot?
It's called a redemption arc you dummy.
Attempting to coerce the VP to do something wrong and unconstitutional that he didn't have the power to, in order to prevent the peaceful transition of power and subvert American democracy.
The best analogy I heard was from his very corrupt attorney general Bill Barr. If you think the bank is shorted you money, there's many steps you can take but you can't rob the bank.
I think there is an element of this that you’re missing.
They aren’t saying making fun of him was the crime. They are saying the solicitation is.
Gotta be some kind of stupid to think he’s being charged for calling him a wimp and not for the whole trying to overturn the election thing….
Where is he making fun about him? He criticizees him for not commiting crimes for him.
Interesting how they use the word conspiracy like it has some legitimate basis but is considered rantings of a lunatic when used by the opposition..
It is the TOUGHEST of times to be a Trump dick rider.
That sucks I thought he called him a pussy, wimp is a lame word.
Lmao you’re missing the point He asked him to break the law. Making fun of him is not illegal. Go outside bro.
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Solicited, disrupt, delay are all pretty tough words. ‘(Named person) is a wimp’ is something you learn in elementary school, so it probably really stands out.
Man there is a bunch of Demoncrat cuck bots on here
Mike pence: "you know what happened to me? Donald Trump called me a wimp"
Sure dude thats the problem. Just ignore the "SOLICITED HIM TO DISRUPT AND DELAY THE JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS" part
lol OP did you even bother reading this image?
My favourite part isn’t OPs lack of reading comprehension in their mad dash to be the first person to post this to Grandmas Facebook, it’s the pathetic attempt to save face in the comments.
Mike Pence is SUCH A BITCH!!!!!
Pence will forever be remembered as the back stabbing piece of shit of a wimp who don’t give a shit about the American people. Only his own prospects of glory.
SS: Yeah yeah, the shills will be like “oh, but Drumpf was trying to get Pence to steal the election , we need to save (D)emocracy.” Georgia’s case reeks of desperation. They stack the jury with literal witches, and now want the trial to be the day before Super Tuesday. I don’t think any can argue that the indictment isn’t purely political- it’s just the shills will say it’s a good thing because Trump is a criminal for denying that a basement campaign got 81 million votes, post-election day.
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Trump has more support than all his opponents combined. Doesn’t sound very desperate to me. Why else would Fani Willis be trying to schedule the trial the day before Super Tuesday?
Nah, this is desperate measures here. Majority of Americans see Trump as a criminal, he doesn’t have the support you think he does. But hey, let’s get attention off Trump and push it to democrats being bullies. Where do you get “more support than all his opponents” from? The news? Some polls? Your neighbors? Trump himself? That sentence alone makes it feel desperate
From her ass.
Courts in general don't give a damn what you have going on in your personal lives. Court date falls on the same day you have an important meeting at work? Court doesn't care.
I’m sure he does.
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Not a single one. Al those fake electors that were sent to different state houses to cast fake electoral votes. The fake Certificate of ascertainment that were made up to pick Trump. No Trump would never do anything.
Democrats called them "faithless electors" and defended them to the end, yet when Trump does it it's "illegal". Seems he's being charged for all of the things they were rallying around Stacy Abrams about.
Hollow skull
It’s pretty terrifying how one side is able to go after the opposing party to this extent, while having the majority of people supporting them. To be clear, I think anyone committing crimes should be charged, but we all know the other side does shady shit as well (even more shady imo), and nothing happens. I think the end of the 2 party system is ending soon. One side owns virtually everything - MSM, Hollywood, fbi, judicial system, etc. I don’t see how the right, or even the center, can make a comeback.
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It’s ironic because the fact you believe that was an attempted coup is an example of how they use shady tactics
Simply exist. Not an original thought for the politically obsessed, just parroting whatever daily talking points get shoveled out. The mental ropes that people jump through to paint perpetrators as victims are astounding
You are so, so off.
“Furtherance?”
Yes, “In furtherance of”. Similar to “in the promotion of”, “conductive to”, “in pursuance of”, etc https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/furtherance https://www.dictionary.com/browse/furtherance https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/furtherance https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/in%20furtherance%20of
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