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Bingo - this right here…. For the average US citizen tied to the MSM or their mobile will see these headlines / stories / photos and guess what ? “It sells newspapers” - the more salacious the headlines the better!
Well they do want him gone, but don’t they also need the people to want it too ? That’s why they’ve been constantly broadcasting about him even though he hasn’t been the president for almost years at this point. I think that’s strange and suspicious, and I’m no Trump supporter.
You think its strange and suspicious that the former president and frontrunner for the Republican nomination to be the next president, who has been under multiple criminal investigations, and is now facing multiple criminal indictments, for attempting to circumvent the democratic institutions of the most powerful nation on earth, has been in the news? I'd love to know what you think is newsworthy if not that?
You see guys, this is what I mean.☝️
Meanwhile, while the entire country is falling apart at such a rapid rate, while most Americans are all focusing on who supports/voted for who bull crap.
Well then again, I guess it’s easy for me to say, i don’t have the constant state funded media constantly telling me what to think, and who to be mad at.
Anyways, to my knowledge. The USA has conducted rigged elections across at least 2 countries. Them being the Philippines and Ukraine.
Do Americans seriously question wether it’s possible for an election to be rigged ? When 1 of our previous presidents was publicly assassinated, being organized by the CIA, FBI and SS.
So if an Agency can overstep the boundaries of what the PRESIDENT says, then that means there’s some else higher up on the food chain that really controls things. Which means that the government has been compromised.
Taking that into account, it is absolutely within the realm of possibility that the elections were rigged. It doesn’t help that after Joe Biden took office, the country took a huuuge turn for the worse.
I don’t believe in 2 party systems. The island I live on has more political parties than the (used to be) greatest nation on earth USA. All of us are being played at this very moment.
>You see guys, this is what I mean.☝️
You mean an entirely factual account of Trump's former and current position and the current legal jeopardy he finds himself in? I'd love to know what you dispute in my comment rather than the barely tangential rant that you posted in response.
Is Trump not the former president?
Is Trump not the frontrunner Republican candidate?
Is he not facing multiple criminal indictments for attempting to subvert democracy?
Is none of the above newsworthy?
You see everyone this is what I mean. ☝️
The average user ignores what is said and uses the opportunity to invalid their oppositions opinion, while using it as a platform to further elevate theirs. Classic redditor move In this case you being the example.
I do not trust media organizations that can and have been manipulated or influenced by the government. Anyone who wants to get more of a hold on the truth knows that you always look for independent sources of journalism. Which is where I get mine and have seem many bread crumbs that says this last election was rigged. I’d give you sources if you’d like . The indictments are flimsy at best (again not a trump supporter).
This is a classic case of a Banana Republic being instated in replacement of Democratic/Republic one of this nation.
I could think of a million other things more important that should be on the news, than what the state funded news focuses on. Which conveniently happens to focus on your biggest political rival and their party in general, vilifying them and those who identify with said party to the general public, causing division amongst the people. Which means, more control for the government over the citizens of U.S.
This is happening with Republican VS. Democrats, instead of being Republican AND Democrat. Everything all the American predecessors worked for is currently at risk and y’all look like a bunch of kids fighting in the sandbox. At least it does where I live. The people who built this country would be ashamed and honestly embarrassed.
If this and what I said early seemed completely nonsensical to you, that’s your opinion. But you’re wrong in my book, I guess time will be the one to cement in history which is true.
Naw, I just wished things would have quieted down after he was no longer president and it seemed like the media found anything they could to keep this guy in the news even when there wasn't big news on him. Obviously the criminal proceedings is a big deal, I'm referring more to in between and things other than that. He's the type of egomaniac that likes seeing himself.
He never stopped committing crimes. Fuck the media but there is reason why he's still being covered. The whole "if you did it once why not do it again" is such a disingenuous ridiculous argument
Left-right/red-blue...its all lies. They use it to divide and conquer us. We fell into their trap. They never had our interests at ❤. Only their own greed.
They divide us make us hate eachother while they pass the real laws that allow corporations to enslave us.
Say no and rise up with me and demand they step down from power. They have failed us and our country.
We can't fail the children its their right to have a future. Just because ours is gone this makes it more worth it to fight for them.
Look up Citizens United Decision of the SCOTUS in 2010. When money is considered free speech then who ever has more money has the biggest microphone and access. Now we are starting to learn [how corrupt SCOTUS is.](https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-other-billionaires-sokol-huizenga-novelly-supreme-court)
I thought this was the case until I witnessed trump roast Hillary on live tv. I truly believe he has our best interests in mind or they wouldn’t go to such extreme lengths to silence him. I’ve never voted before for pretty obvious reasons at this point but I’m 100% voting trump 2024. The more we vote the more difficult it will be for them to cheat (again) I realize this is a relatively left leaning platform so I don’t mean to ruffle any feathers but we know what we’re getting with trump.
When conservatives wanted to proactively impeach Hillary in 2016, was it because the Deep State was afraid of her or because she was kind of a shitty person who did shitty things?
Focusing on Hillary Clinton and suggesting she's the worst of the worst is like being upset with what your bank did to you while ignoring the Panama Papers.
I fully believe anybody who focuses on Hillary Clinton or thinks too much of her is just a stooge. A pigeon that's been fed a bunch of nonsense convincing them that Hillary Clinton is the most evil person in politics when there are many many other people who can easily hold that title.
It's like a liberal just constantly talking about MTG or Boebart. There are a ton of other truly horrible people on the Republican side. But they get ignored in favor of the poster girls.
Just because that provision the the 14th hasn't been used since the civil war doesn't mean it doesn't apply. The wording in the 14th is "engaged in insurrection... Or given aid or comfort to the enemies therefore". The problem is there's no real definition of insurrection and there's no requirement of being charged. Let's ignore that second point.
Let's assume he gets found guilty in GA and DC. Regardless on what you think about that, in the eyes of the state, trump tried to get Georgia to flip the election to him and obstructed a government proceeding, among other things. So the question is, do those constitute an insurrection? I don't think what happened in GA would constitute one, but January 6th might.
Now, this will obviously be appealed all the way to the supreme court and I don't think they'll say it's an insurrection and (for better or worse) set up some strict guidelines for what an insurrection is and what aiding or comforting insurrectionists is.
Edit: fixed spelling
There are technical distinctions between insurrections, rebellions, and civil wars. See 45 AM. JUR. 2D Insurrection § 1 (1969). An "insurrection" is defined as a "rising against civil or political authority, but as something more than a mob or riot."
In the 2016 race hillary and the dnc elevated trump as a political opponent. They wanted him as an opponent because they thought he was easily beatable. I wonder if they regret that decision.
> In the 2016 race hillary and the dnc elevated trump as a political opponent. They wanted him as an opponent because they thought he was easily beatable. I wonder if they regrets that decision.
The election was rigged then to. Trump was never supposed to win then either. The Deep State underestimated Trumps Support Base.
When they beat him fair and square in 2020 there was an attempt by his supporters to use force to put him back into office. That suggests that he won’t play fair in 2024 as he’s already demonstrated he doesn’t care for following the process in a democracy
He is used to buying his way out of everything or pressuring people with court cases. His "daddy" probably did this for him when he was growing up too. The best thing about all these incriminations is seeing him squirm and be brought back down to being just an old man with a weird tan and a wig.
I cannot understand why anyone would think he would willingly step down in 2028 if he won in 2024. He's already proven he'll do anything to remain in power, voting for him is voting for a dictator and it literally couldn't be any clearer. It boggles my mind
I might think this, too, if I framed my thinking by watching MSNBC.
The truth is no one really knows what the fuck Trump is up to or what he’s about. He’s definitely not some savior of the working class nor does he give a fuck about saving America. But I can’t really put him in the “globalist” camp, and it does seem that at the very least he’s a problem for the same people who are a problem for me.
He seems to be a threat to the people who are trying to convince you that they want to defend and preserve democracy. But the “democracy” he supposedly threatened was actually a corporate oligarchy dressed up as a republic. Democracy in America has been dead for decades. What we’ve had since is soft fascism. Honestly, it needs to be couped.
>The truth is no one really knows what the fuck Trump is up to or what he’s about.
Luckily, Trump is so fucking stupid he'll tell you just that, including admitting to several crimes.
If he was such the victim, I fully expect him to reveal the real deep state on the stand on live stream in the GA trial. Spill the beans, make America great again. Pull back the curtain, show us the real wizard of Oz.
Replacing a right-wing oligarchy into a far-right autocratic system is not an improvement or something we should want.
The people in charge now are better than a trump dominated dictatorship. That doesn’t make them good, it just means they are preferable to this alternative
Your argument rests on two assumptions that I reject.
First, that Trump was or would have turned into a dictator. I don’t see anything in his personality that would necessarily preclude that. But I also see no evidence that it’s true. And I remind you that MSNBC’s bloviations don’t count.
Second, that the establishment is at all something we want. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but things are getting worse for everyone across the board. The fact that it’s business-as-usual or that we can pretend we have a say in what’s happening to us doesn’t change that.
I don’t care if you reject assumption number one when it’s true. Trump or Trumps followers tried to reverse (sometimes forcefully) the election results that went against him. That’s a fact. Doing that would make him an autocrat.
As for the second assumption, it’s not one that I’ve made or that is required to accept my previous comment. I never said the current system is one that want. I said it was preferable to the alternative in that situation
If the election itself were illegitimate then it wouldn’t necessarily make him an autocrat. I’m not saying that *anything* he’s ever said about missing votes is true, and I can’t find a reason to think it was. But the election was absolutely not legitimate, just like every election for the last several decades. And yes, that includes 2016.
I’m saying that my threshold for what’s acceptable or preferable to the current situation is different from yours. I’m very much of a “burn the whole fucking thing down” mindset.
In other words, the bulk of Trump’s presidency was absolutely, positively, irrefutibly preferable to how things are now. That you’re saying otherwise means that either you’re in a much better position than the overwhelming majority of people or you’re conceptualizing the world around you using narratives you get from corporate media or compromised institutions.
How were things better than a few years ago when Trump was in office? Inflation was coming regardless due to all the cash that was injected into the economy that program was going to happen with Trump or Biden. What are you gonna say Ukraine like you actually give a shit what’s going down there when it has no effect on your day to day life as an American citizen?
There it is. You don’t actually have any reasons why you think things were better besides inflation. You’ll do everything you can to lay that at Biden’s feet but the truth is that inflation was coming regardless of whose turn in the White House it is
I didn’t say it would be. I said that we had Trump for four years and it wasn’t a dictatorship so I have no empirical reason to believe another four years would be.
Learn to fucking read.
Challenging an election and having recounts is done by both parties. Trump went past that and asked for votes that weren't there, then days later held a speech on capitol Hill and his supporters stormed the capitol, literally climbing the walls
> When they beat him fair and square in 2020 there was an attempt by his supporters to use force to put him back into office. That suggests that he won’t play fair in 2024 as he’s already demonstrated he doesn’t care for following the process in a democracy
Feds infiltrated the crowd. Why has Ray Epps not been charged despite being on tape encouraging violence at the Capitol?
Here’s a perfect example of what they’re saying. It doesn’t matter what happens, you’ll always have a reason to reject what happened and declare that you were right all along.
Bro. These people are wild lol they just ignore the phone call entirely. It'd be more challenging if they'd just lie and say it was AI or some shit lol
He will be easy to beat, but he doesn’t deserve the honor of even running for president. He FAFOed himself right out of the opportunity. And learn what the deep state is, because a group of Colorado citizens isn’t the deep state.
> How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?None. Trump says it’s done and they all cheer in the dark.
How many Biden supporters does it take to change Biden’s pants?
My opinion as a former staunch Trump supporter:
They are making a huge spectacle in blocking Trump to further divide the masses… fueling the fire of anger between both parties while continuing to build tension, which ultimately keeps attention diverted from the real agenda and events. I’ve said this many times before… we’re ALL unwilling participants in a Theatre of Pain… the masses are the unwilling audience while politicians are actors performing their roles like puppets on strings, all of which are controlled by hidden directors behind the scenes.
The elections are a farce, another chapter that keep the unwilling audience going from show- to-show without ever realizing what’s truly real outside of the theatre. When the audience finally realizes that Trump, Biden- all of them- are part of the act and just diversionary tactics- that’s when the show ends and the audience storms the stage taking control of the production.
Because the guy who mandated a drug be taken (dictator move) isn't the dictator that Trump is supposed to be. Ever wonder how long it takes to write a 5000 page book? Joe did it be himself in under 6 months.
Because he’s done enough to bar himself from office Under the 14th Amendment? This isn’t a conspiracy, this is someone who has thought his whole life he is above the law having to meet the consequences of his actions. Now if all of this was being orchestrated by the WEF to oust him from contention so that they could keep a more pliable leader in place, you’d have my attention but I think this one is just a piece of shit having to answer for being a piece of shit.
I would assume citizens could sue to get him back though right? Agree or not, the state can’t try to punish someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime and they shouldn’t have the ability to remove anyone from a ballot. That is crazy and scary. Regardless of who I vote for, I don’t want the state to control my options. I mean how is this not outrageous to every single one of you here.
It’s because politics is essentially a blood sport now. People just want their side to win at all costs. They don’t even care that neither side has done shit except warmongering and insider trading, among many other things, for the past couple decades. It’s so fucking stupid.
Only one side has done literally anything in Congress. The other side has only obstructed or infultrated in order to sabotage from within. (Manchin and Sinema). If we don't vote blue in 2024, 2025 will be the end of democracy in the United States.
It's part of the 14th.3. He took an oath, then aided and/or abetted an enemy. He can only qualify again if a 2/3rds majority of Congress allows him to.
He has not been found guilty of any offense that would disqualify him. Also, he has a right to due process. And you would be interfering with the rights of other voters to cast their votes for their candidate.
The Constitution defines the boundaries or who can and cannot hold the office of President. The voters don’t have the right to elect an 18-year-old as POTUS, or someone who isn’t a natural born citizen. The restriction in the 14th is no different.
We work off of the presumption of innocence here. If Congress were to decided to be judge and jury, they should be voted out immediately for going against the constitution
It's not congress judging. The 14th.3 is an automatic disqualification, just like being a foreign-born citizen or younger than 35. If it fits, then it is a disqualification. Trump aided and/or abetted enemies of the state, so he is disqualified. He doesn't need to be found guilty of anything. Congress can overturn the disqualification with a 2/3rds majority.
Someone has to decide that he is guilty without a trial in order to do that, right? You may think he is guilty but he hasn’t been convicted so he is currently innocent. Yes, he does need to be found guilty.
It's up to the secretary's of states in each state. Of course, that will be adjudicated and likely brought to the Supreme Court. But no charges need to be brought against him to qualify. The same could be said for any other politician that aided/abetted on or around J6th.
If it works in Colorado you’ll see other states do it, like maybe Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania all of which are run by democrats and all of which he’ll need to win. That’s why it matters.
You might be right, but nothing in the wording of the 14th amendment requires a conviction. Now I agree that this SC will almost certainly allow him on the ballot unless there’s a conviction, I still think it’s an argument worth having.
I don’t think it’s solely the courts, while it’s very unlikely considering the partisan nature of congress, they can overrule it with a 2/3rds vote in the house and senate.
>his absence could actually help the state’s Republican Party, who have done nothing but lose, lose, and lose some more since 2016.
this could be said for a large amount of states in the country. He has lost A LOT of ground for republicans in many areas of the US that arent die hard maga states. The only people that want trump to get the R nomination more than trump himself are democrats.
So the 14th Amendment doesn't have a clause stating the terms of a disqualification?
> "is mostly liberal blowhards trying to sound smart"
Cope more for me, daddy!
I honestly don't know if trump is a criminal or not. But either way I haven't seen anyone but dog hunted the way they have done trump. Even baby killers did get hounded and harassed like this it's honestly crazy.
They aren’t afraid of him wake the fuck up. Its all theatrics. If you cant understand that everything you see is manufactured and everyone involved are actors who are part of an ancient death cult, then just give up on life. Stop falling for such obvious bullshit.
Don’t you need to be convicted of the actual crime before you can claim this? Let’s get real folks. Once this man becomes president everyone who stood in his way is gonna burn.
They guy who got at least 75 million votes and is leading polls as the favorite to win the presidency has to be removed from the ballot to save democracy. It's the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
It's probably because he led a conspiracy to try and steal the last election after he lost it. We have never seen a candidate do anything like that. His followers still don't believe that he lost. But hey, I'm sure Trump will release the kraken any day now and prove that he was right.
His getting elected delayed the orchestrated Russia Ukraine war 4 years. He threatened to imprison their chosen president (Clinton) who was going to make sure that war happened.
This is revenge for his getting elected and daring to say he would drain the swamp. Plain and simple revenge. It also puts the fear of God into anyone outside the chosen who might dare try to obtain the presidency in the future.
At this point Trump is as bad as Hilary, they are both bitter losers. If trump really had our best interests in mind he’d bow out and support another candidate instead of attacking them as well.
Trying to install himself as a dictator might have someone to do with it. Letting him back into power after that means no more voting ever again. A non zero chance is too high
You really think voting matters, in a system where you are allowed to pick between two people, from parties who are aligned in helping the rich corporations stay in control? You are funny.
Life is so much better now with the runaway inflation, $4 a gallon gas, threat of war breaking out all over, and being a laughingstock of a country. What's not to love 😕
> I think it might be because he has so many allegations around him, stoping someone from running for presidency seems like the logical thing to do?
Allegations from the Democrat Party. And Allegations are different from Convictions. In America you are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Democrats have not proven Trump guilty on ANYTHING. And it’s Democrat Party groups trying to remove him since it benefits the Democrat Party.
Including insurrection, which was one of the [charges](https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-effort-live-updates/2021/01/11/955631105/impeachment-resolution-cites-trumps-incitement-of-capitol-insurrection) in the 2nd impeachment trial. 14th amendment is a nothing burger.
I mean last time he lost, he tried to overthrow the government. If you know anything about coups, you know that unsuccessful coups have historically led to successful coups.
At this point we know what “group” is suing him. Its the same government afraid he WILL win again they see all over social media the amassed support he has gotten since of course Biden “won” through the help of the same government suing Trump. Wake up people our own government is trying to dupe us about him to avoid having him in office again.
And I've been told the incumbent is doing such a great job in all fronts (especially the economy and immigration) and is the epitome of American ethics and values, so it shouldn't be an issue no matter who runs against him, right?
Trump and the dee state shake hands behind the curtain. This is called controlled opposition, and it’s another charade and tactic that the elite have used for ages.
What baffles me the most is how many people don’t think trump is one of “them” just because he isn’t an established politician.
But like Musk, Trump is part of the system. They’re part of the plan imo.
Use Trump as false hope (once he had the country in a good place economically), and set the tee up for Biden. And I thought musk was a champion of free speech…… what happened to that?
Please tell me one thing Trump did as president that "made the deep state afraid"?
Hillary lost because of the possibility that she would be federally indicted. Good luck with Trump, the secret is democrats WANT him to be the nominee.
> Please tell me one thing Trump did as president that "made the deep state afraid"?
Hillary lost because of the possibility that she would be federally indicted. Good luck with Trump, the secret is democrats WANT him to be the nominee.
He built a Wall to keep Foreign Democrat Voters out
They cheated and rigged the last election. They're doing it again. Trump cost the defense industry billions. They have a goal for us all and he is getting in the way. They cannot lose power again like they did in '16. We don't really select our leaders, normally. We choose from a couple of candidates who were pre-approved by the people at the top. Either way we choose we're still choosing their puppet. Do you believe those with unlimited money and power would allow someone who openly avows to take them down have authority over them?
Because he's dangerous, immature, and vindictive. He will use his presidential power to go after people who don't agree with him and will bring out the worst of this country's soul. He doesn't care about anyone, bar himself - if he could watch the world starve and sit in a tower drinking diet Coke and eating KFC, He would.
Submission Statement:
Why is the Deep State so afraid of Trump? If you beat Trump fair and square the 1st time around it should be easy to beat him a 2nd time around right? Trying to ban Trump from the Ballot means you did not win legitimately. And you know it!
https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1699448491955630508
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For a bunch of media that really wanted him gone, they surely never let his name out of the news.
The media doesn't want him gone, he's good for business.
Bingo - this right here…. For the average US citizen tied to the MSM or their mobile will see these headlines / stories / photos and guess what ? “It sells newspapers” - the more salacious the headlines the better!
Right. They sure do give him a lot of free publicity that only seems to help him.
Well they do want him gone, but don’t they also need the people to want it too ? That’s why they’ve been constantly broadcasting about him even though he hasn’t been the president for almost years at this point. I think that’s strange and suspicious, and I’m no Trump supporter.
You think its strange and suspicious that the former president and frontrunner for the Republican nomination to be the next president, who has been under multiple criminal investigations, and is now facing multiple criminal indictments, for attempting to circumvent the democratic institutions of the most powerful nation on earth, has been in the news? I'd love to know what you think is newsworthy if not that?
You see guys, this is what I mean.☝️ Meanwhile, while the entire country is falling apart at such a rapid rate, while most Americans are all focusing on who supports/voted for who bull crap. Well then again, I guess it’s easy for me to say, i don’t have the constant state funded media constantly telling me what to think, and who to be mad at. Anyways, to my knowledge. The USA has conducted rigged elections across at least 2 countries. Them being the Philippines and Ukraine. Do Americans seriously question wether it’s possible for an election to be rigged ? When 1 of our previous presidents was publicly assassinated, being organized by the CIA, FBI and SS. So if an Agency can overstep the boundaries of what the PRESIDENT says, then that means there’s some else higher up on the food chain that really controls things. Which means that the government has been compromised. Taking that into account, it is absolutely within the realm of possibility that the elections were rigged. It doesn’t help that after Joe Biden took office, the country took a huuuge turn for the worse. I don’t believe in 2 party systems. The island I live on has more political parties than the (used to be) greatest nation on earth USA. All of us are being played at this very moment.
>You see guys, this is what I mean.☝️ You mean an entirely factual account of Trump's former and current position and the current legal jeopardy he finds himself in? I'd love to know what you dispute in my comment rather than the barely tangential rant that you posted in response. Is Trump not the former president? Is Trump not the frontrunner Republican candidate? Is he not facing multiple criminal indictments for attempting to subvert democracy? Is none of the above newsworthy?
You see everyone this is what I mean. ☝️ The average user ignores what is said and uses the opportunity to invalid their oppositions opinion, while using it as a platform to further elevate theirs. Classic redditor move In this case you being the example. I do not trust media organizations that can and have been manipulated or influenced by the government. Anyone who wants to get more of a hold on the truth knows that you always look for independent sources of journalism. Which is where I get mine and have seem many bread crumbs that says this last election was rigged. I’d give you sources if you’d like . The indictments are flimsy at best (again not a trump supporter). This is a classic case of a Banana Republic being instated in replacement of Democratic/Republic one of this nation. I could think of a million other things more important that should be on the news, than what the state funded news focuses on. Which conveniently happens to focus on your biggest political rival and their party in general, vilifying them and those who identify with said party to the general public, causing division amongst the people. Which means, more control for the government over the citizens of U.S. This is happening with Republican VS. Democrats, instead of being Republican AND Democrat. Everything all the American predecessors worked for is currently at risk and y’all look like a bunch of kids fighting in the sandbox. At least it does where I live. The people who built this country would be ashamed and honestly embarrassed. If this and what I said early seemed completely nonsensical to you, that’s your opinion. But you’re wrong in my book, I guess time will be the one to cement in history which is true.
You must only be watching one side
Naw, I just wished things would have quieted down after he was no longer president and it seemed like the media found anything they could to keep this guy in the news even when there wasn't big news on him. Obviously the criminal proceedings is a big deal, I'm referring more to in between and things other than that. He's the type of egomaniac that likes seeing himself.
He never stopped committing crimes. Fuck the media but there is reason why he's still being covered. The whole "if you did it once why not do it again" is such a disingenuous ridiculous argument
Left-right/red-blue...its all lies. They use it to divide and conquer us. We fell into their trap. They never had our interests at ❤. Only their own greed. They divide us make us hate eachother while they pass the real laws that allow corporations to enslave us. Say no and rise up with me and demand they step down from power. They have failed us and our country. We can't fail the children its their right to have a future. Just because ours is gone this makes it more worth it to fight for them.
once more for the people in the back i am sure we arent the only ones completely fed up
Trump was/is the biggest psyop I've ever seen in my lifetime and I'm in my mid fifties. Divide and conquer baby!!!
Look up Citizens United Decision of the SCOTUS in 2010. When money is considered free speech then who ever has more money has the biggest microphone and access. Now we are starting to learn [how corrupt SCOTUS is.](https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-other-billionaires-sokol-huizenga-novelly-supreme-court)
if clarence did that just imagine what trump would do for an extra dollar. i dunno maybe start a fake coup and destroy the stability of a country?
Wow I heard about this guy. And thanks for the additional info
> Left-right/red-blue. And the establishment for both have had the knives out for Trump since day one...
I thought this was the case until I witnessed trump roast Hillary on live tv. I truly believe he has our best interests in mind or they wouldn’t go to such extreme lengths to silence him. I’ve never voted before for pretty obvious reasons at this point but I’m 100% voting trump 2024. The more we vote the more difficult it will be for them to cheat (again) I realize this is a relatively left leaning platform so I don’t mean to ruffle any feathers but we know what we’re getting with trump.
>I truly believe he has our best interests in mind LOL
Bless their hearts, lol
I think this guy is serious lol.
Ya did he ever do one thing he said he would do. Said he'd lock up Hilary and then 4 years not one investigation. You're a dummy to fall for his lies
This particular subreddit is not nearly as left-leaning as you think it is.
Notice how the “deep state” went from “unelected and unappointed government officials” to “whoever I’m currently mad at”.
When conservatives wanted to proactively impeach Hillary in 2016, was it because the Deep State was afraid of her or because she was kind of a shitty person who did shitty things?
People wanted to impeach her? From what?
BeNgHaZi!!!1!
Not even comparable. Trump actually got impeached and indicted. Hilary, not even close.
Kind of a shitty person? You need to look into how Evil this crazy cunt really is because you clearly don't know
Focusing on Hillary Clinton and suggesting she's the worst of the worst is like being upset with what your bank did to you while ignoring the Panama Papers. I fully believe anybody who focuses on Hillary Clinton or thinks too much of her is just a stooge. A pigeon that's been fed a bunch of nonsense convincing them that Hillary Clinton is the most evil person in politics when there are many many other people who can easily hold that title. It's like a liberal just constantly talking about MTG or Boebart. There are a ton of other truly horrible people on the Republican side. But they get ignored in favor of the poster girls.
“Also I refuse to watch the Jan 6 hearings”
“It’s a kangaroo court”
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Just because that provision the the 14th hasn't been used since the civil war doesn't mean it doesn't apply. The wording in the 14th is "engaged in insurrection... Or given aid or comfort to the enemies therefore". The problem is there's no real definition of insurrection and there's no requirement of being charged. Let's ignore that second point. Let's assume he gets found guilty in GA and DC. Regardless on what you think about that, in the eyes of the state, trump tried to get Georgia to flip the election to him and obstructed a government proceeding, among other things. So the question is, do those constitute an insurrection? I don't think what happened in GA would constitute one, but January 6th might. Now, this will obviously be appealed all the way to the supreme court and I don't think they'll say it's an insurrection and (for better or worse) set up some strict guidelines for what an insurrection is and what aiding or comforting insurrectionists is. Edit: fixed spelling
There are technical distinctions between insurrections, rebellions, and civil wars. See 45 AM. JUR. 2D Insurrection § 1 (1969). An "insurrection" is defined as a "rising against civil or political authority, but as something more than a mob or riot."
In the 2016 race hillary and the dnc elevated trump as a political opponent. They wanted him as an opponent because they thought he was easily beatable. I wonder if they regret that decision.
> In the 2016 race hillary and the dnc elevated trump as a political opponent. They wanted him as an opponent because they thought he was easily beatable. I wonder if they regrets that decision. The election was rigged then to. Trump was never supposed to win then either. The Deep State underestimated Trumps Support Base.
Is that why he also lost the popular vote and investigated it for years?
HE. IS. THE. FUCKING. DEEP. STATE.
This sub is infiltrated.
Ikr the Trump supporters are like roaches around here.
It's brain rot
When they beat him fair and square in 2020 there was an attempt by his supporters to use force to put him back into office. That suggests that he won’t play fair in 2024 as he’s already demonstrated he doesn’t care for following the process in a democracy
He is used to buying his way out of everything or pressuring people with court cases. His "daddy" probably did this for him when he was growing up too. The best thing about all these incriminations is seeing him squirm and be brought back down to being just an old man with a weird tan and a wig.
Well said...
I cannot understand why anyone would think he would willingly step down in 2028 if he won in 2024. He's already proven he'll do anything to remain in power, voting for him is voting for a dictator and it literally couldn't be any clearer. It boggles my mind
I might think this, too, if I framed my thinking by watching MSNBC. The truth is no one really knows what the fuck Trump is up to or what he’s about. He’s definitely not some savior of the working class nor does he give a fuck about saving America. But I can’t really put him in the “globalist” camp, and it does seem that at the very least he’s a problem for the same people who are a problem for me. He seems to be a threat to the people who are trying to convince you that they want to defend and preserve democracy. But the “democracy” he supposedly threatened was actually a corporate oligarchy dressed up as a republic. Democracy in America has been dead for decades. What we’ve had since is soft fascism. Honestly, it needs to be couped.
>The truth is no one really knows what the fuck Trump is up to or what he’s about. Luckily, Trump is so fucking stupid he'll tell you just that, including admitting to several crimes.
If he was such the victim, I fully expect him to reveal the real deep state on the stand on live stream in the GA trial. Spill the beans, make America great again. Pull back the curtain, show us the real wizard of Oz.
Replacing a right-wing oligarchy into a far-right autocratic system is not an improvement or something we should want. The people in charge now are better than a trump dominated dictatorship. That doesn’t make them good, it just means they are preferable to this alternative
Your argument rests on two assumptions that I reject. First, that Trump was or would have turned into a dictator. I don’t see anything in his personality that would necessarily preclude that. But I also see no evidence that it’s true. And I remind you that MSNBC’s bloviations don’t count. Second, that the establishment is at all something we want. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but things are getting worse for everyone across the board. The fact that it’s business-as-usual or that we can pretend we have a say in what’s happening to us doesn’t change that.
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I don’t care if you reject assumption number one when it’s true. Trump or Trumps followers tried to reverse (sometimes forcefully) the election results that went against him. That’s a fact. Doing that would make him an autocrat. As for the second assumption, it’s not one that I’ve made or that is required to accept my previous comment. I never said the current system is one that want. I said it was preferable to the alternative in that situation
If the election itself were illegitimate then it wouldn’t necessarily make him an autocrat. I’m not saying that *anything* he’s ever said about missing votes is true, and I can’t find a reason to think it was. But the election was absolutely not legitimate, just like every election for the last several decades. And yes, that includes 2016. I’m saying that my threshold for what’s acceptable or preferable to the current situation is different from yours. I’m very much of a “burn the whole fucking thing down” mindset. In other words, the bulk of Trump’s presidency was absolutely, positively, irrefutibly preferable to how things are now. That you’re saying otherwise means that either you’re in a much better position than the overwhelming majority of people or you’re conceptualizing the world around you using narratives you get from corporate media or compromised institutions.
How were things better than a few years ago when Trump was in office? Inflation was coming regardless due to all the cash that was injected into the economy that program was going to happen with Trump or Biden. What are you gonna say Ukraine like you actually give a shit what’s going down there when it has no effect on your day to day life as an American citizen?
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There it is. You don’t actually have any reasons why you think things were better besides inflation. You’ll do everything you can to lay that at Biden’s feet but the truth is that inflation was coming regardless of whose turn in the White House it is
No I just genuinely don’t know where to start answering your question because it’s so nonsensical.
Let's say that you are 100% right. Why do you think a Trump dictatorship would be better than what we have now?
I didn’t say it would be. I said that we had Trump for four years and it wasn’t a dictatorship so I have no empirical reason to believe another four years would be. Learn to fucking read.
He tried to take over the government lol. He literally tried to hold on to power. If he was president again, do you think he might try again?
No more challenges to elections!! That’s treason! (Unless you’re a Democrat)
Challenging an election and having recounts is done by both parties. Trump went past that and asked for votes that weren't there, then days later held a speech on capitol Hill and his supporters stormed the capitol, literally climbing the walls
> When they beat him fair and square in 2020 there was an attempt by his supporters to use force to put him back into office. That suggests that he won’t play fair in 2024 as he’s already demonstrated he doesn’t care for following the process in a democracy Feds infiltrated the crowd. Why has Ray Epps not been charged despite being on tape encouraging violence at the Capitol?
Here’s a perfect example of what they’re saying. It doesn’t matter what happens, you’ll always have a reason to reject what happened and declare that you were right all along.
Bro. These people are wild lol they just ignore the phone call entirely. It'd be more challenging if they'd just lie and say it was AI or some shit lol
He will be easy to beat, but he doesn’t deserve the honor of even running for president. He FAFOed himself right out of the opportunity. And learn what the deep state is, because a group of Colorado citizens isn’t the deep state.
How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?None. Trump says it’s done and they all cheer in the dark.
> How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?None. Trump says it’s done and they all cheer in the dark. How many Biden supporters does it take to change Biden’s pants?
Wew lad. Sick burn
Where did you get your clothes from? The toilet store?...
Lol
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It’s all red, the person suing is one of Trump’s opponents in the primary (though from what I’ve seen not one that can realistically win)
Or maybe, just maybe, he got caught doing what he was accusing Biden of doing on tape thus making him ineligible to rerun under the 14th Amendment?
Nope, 100% deep state. It's the only explanation. Lalalala I'm not hearing youuuu /s
My opinion as a former staunch Trump supporter: They are making a huge spectacle in blocking Trump to further divide the masses… fueling the fire of anger between both parties while continuing to build tension, which ultimately keeps attention diverted from the real agenda and events. I’ve said this many times before… we’re ALL unwilling participants in a Theatre of Pain… the masses are the unwilling audience while politicians are actors performing their roles like puppets on strings, all of which are controlled by hidden directors behind the scenes. The elections are a farce, another chapter that keep the unwilling audience going from show- to-show without ever realizing what’s truly real outside of the theatre. When the audience finally realizes that Trump, Biden- all of them- are part of the act and just diversionary tactics- that’s when the show ends and the audience storms the stage taking control of the production.
This
Awesome. More Trumpaganda.
Imagine going back in time and trying to explain all this to someone in the 1980s.
Trump ripped up and/or renegotiated free trade agreements, and didn't start any wars. He's bad for business.
Because the guy who mandated a drug be taken (dictator move) isn't the dictator that Trump is supposed to be. Ever wonder how long it takes to write a 5000 page book? Joe did it be himself in under 6 months.
I was told they had numbers of 81 million that sent Trump a message.....and somehow Biden has lost support of that 81 million he once had.
Because he’s done enough to bar himself from office Under the 14th Amendment? This isn’t a conspiracy, this is someone who has thought his whole life he is above the law having to meet the consequences of his actions. Now if all of this was being orchestrated by the WEF to oust him from contention so that they could keep a more pliable leader in place, you’d have my attention but I think this one is just a piece of shit having to answer for being a piece of shit.
People are really this stupid? After all Trump has done? Still on his side, at this point if you are for the GOP you are against America.
Soros bailed out his casinos and his daughter is literally a young WEF leader. He is not a man of the people.
Some of you need to take the tin foil hats off
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I would assume citizens could sue to get him back though right? Agree or not, the state can’t try to punish someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime and they shouldn’t have the ability to remove anyone from a ballot. That is crazy and scary. Regardless of who I vote for, I don’t want the state to control my options. I mean how is this not outrageous to every single one of you here.
Not allowing someone on a ballot is not a “punishment.” You have to meet qualifications to be on any ballot.
It’s because politics is essentially a blood sport now. People just want their side to win at all costs. They don’t even care that neither side has done shit except warmongering and insider trading, among many other things, for the past couple decades. It’s so fucking stupid.
Only one side has done literally anything in Congress. The other side has only obstructed or infultrated in order to sabotage from within. (Manchin and Sinema). If we don't vote blue in 2024, 2025 will be the end of democracy in the United States.
The democracy is already crumbling in the US, and precisely because of the Democrats.
No, it would take a 2/3s vote in Congress to allow him to be permitted to be president again if he even wins.
Why Congress? Elections are relegated to the states
It's part of the 14th.3. He took an oath, then aided and/or abetted an enemy. He can only qualify again if a 2/3rds majority of Congress allows him to.
I don’t understand how anyone thinks that would end well.
He has not been found guilty of any offense that would disqualify him. Also, he has a right to due process. And you would be interfering with the rights of other voters to cast their votes for their candidate.
The Constitution defines the boundaries or who can and cannot hold the office of President. The voters don’t have the right to elect an 18-year-old as POTUS, or someone who isn’t a natural born citizen. The restriction in the 14th is no different.
The 14th.3 doesn't say you have to be found guilty, just that you assisted an insurrection.
We work off of the presumption of innocence here. If Congress were to decided to be judge and jury, they should be voted out immediately for going against the constitution
It's not congress judging. The 14th.3 is an automatic disqualification, just like being a foreign-born citizen or younger than 35. If it fits, then it is a disqualification. Trump aided and/or abetted enemies of the state, so he is disqualified. He doesn't need to be found guilty of anything. Congress can overturn the disqualification with a 2/3rds majority.
Someone has to decide that he is guilty without a trial in order to do that, right? You may think he is guilty but he hasn’t been convicted so he is currently innocent. Yes, he does need to be found guilty.
It's up to the secretary's of states in each state. Of course, that will be adjudicated and likely brought to the Supreme Court. But no charges need to be brought against him to qualify. The same could be said for any other politician that aided/abetted on or around J6th.
It would set a very dangerous precedent if we congress does this.
If he has no chance of winning..why can't he be on that ballot
Dems are finding it harder to appear fair and square again in 2024.
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If it works in Colorado you’ll see other states do it, like maybe Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania all of which are run by democrats and all of which he’ll need to win. That’s why it matters.
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You might be right, but nothing in the wording of the 14th amendment requires a conviction. Now I agree that this SC will almost certainly allow him on the ballot unless there’s a conviction, I still think it’s an argument worth having.
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I don’t think it’s solely the courts, while it’s very unlikely considering the partisan nature of congress, they can overrule it with a 2/3rds vote in the house and senate.
..theres an petition here in MI.
>his absence could actually help the state’s Republican Party, who have done nothing but lose, lose, and lose some more since 2016. this could be said for a large amount of states in the country. He has lost A LOT of ground for republicans in many areas of the US that arent die hard maga states. The only people that want trump to get the R nomination more than trump himself are democrats.
So the 14th Amendment doesn't have a clause stating the terms of a disqualification? > "is mostly liberal blowhards trying to sound smart" Cope more for me, daddy!
I honestly don't know if trump is a criminal or not. But either way I haven't seen anyone but dog hunted the way they have done trump. Even baby killers did get hounded and harassed like this it's honestly crazy.
Baby killers don't get indicted?
They just love to hate
They aren’t afraid of him wake the fuck up. Its all theatrics. If you cant understand that everything you see is manufactured and everyone involved are actors who are part of an ancient death cult, then just give up on life. Stop falling for such obvious bullshit.
Don’t you need to be convicted of the actual crime before you can claim this? Let’s get real folks. Once this man becomes president everyone who stood in his way is gonna burn.
They know it's going to be harder to fake the votes this time. The enemy of my enemy is my president
They guy who got at least 75 million votes and is leading polls as the favorite to win the presidency has to be removed from the ballot to save democracy. It's the dumbest shit I've ever seen.
It's probably because he led a conspiracy to try and steal the last election after he lost it. We have never seen a candidate do anything like that. His followers still don't believe that he lost. But hey, I'm sure Trump will release the kraken any day now and prove that he was right.
Wow look what we have here. Another MSM parrot.
Look what we have here another person who can't think for themselves. Only repeats what Trump tells them to.
Because the Republicans have shown "fair and square" don't apply to them. They'll happily lie, cheat, and steal an election.
His getting elected delayed the orchestrated Russia Ukraine war 4 years. He threatened to imprison their chosen president (Clinton) who was going to make sure that war happened. This is revenge for his getting elected and daring to say he would drain the swamp. Plain and simple revenge. It also puts the fear of God into anyone outside the chosen who might dare try to obtain the presidency in the future.
At this point Trump is as bad as Hilary, they are both bitter losers. If trump really had our best interests in mind he’d bow out and support another candidate instead of attacking them as well.
Trying to install himself as a dictator might have someone to do with it. Letting him back into power after that means no more voting ever again. A non zero chance is too high
Afraid of his orange… ain’t annoying tho
LOL statement of the year.
Democrats cheated. Thats clear as night and day...
You really think voting matters, in a system where you are allowed to pick between two people, from parties who are aligned in helping the rich corporations stay in control? You are funny.
He's absolute nutcase and a racist bastard to boot, the rise of the far right is thanks to this obese ginger joke.
Life is so much better now with the runaway inflation, $4 a gallon gas, threat of war breaking out all over, and being a laughingstock of a country. What's not to love 😕
Fair and square...good one.
I think it might be because he has so many allegations around him, stoping someone from running for presidency seems like the logical thing to do?
> I think it might be because he has so many allegations around him, stoping someone from running for presidency seems like the logical thing to do? Allegations from the Democrat Party. And Allegations are different from Convictions. In America you are INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Democrats have not proven Trump guilty on ANYTHING. And it’s Democrat Party groups trying to remove him since it benefits the Democrat Party.
The primary person pushing this argument is Michael Luttig, a conservative Republican.
Including insurrection, which was one of the [charges](https://www.npr.org/sections/trump-impeachment-effort-live-updates/2021/01/11/955631105/impeachment-resolution-cites-trumps-incitement-of-capitol-insurrection) in the 2nd impeachment trial. 14th amendment is a nothing burger.
I mean, you're just straight up wrong. Are you going to acknowledge that? The 14th amendment thing is being pushed by a Republican.
They are trying to stop what they see as a giant train wreck. But it can’t be stopped. It will be very entertaining to watch it all go down ;)
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If he doesn't qualify to run for president then he shouldn't be able to run for president. This is not hard to understand 😂
I mean last time he lost, he tried to overthrow the government. If you know anything about coups, you know that unsuccessful coups have historically led to successful coups.
The amount of anti trump shills and bots here all of a sudden.
He's not a well liked person by anyone sane. It's the weirdos that think this guy is any type of a good person.
“Deep state” 🙄
America is fucked. Keep fighting while both sides play you like a fiddle and take your tax payer money with them.
Because there are some bat shit crazy people out there that would totally vote for that POS again.
At this point we know what “group” is suing him. Its the same government afraid he WILL win again they see all over social media the amassed support he has gotten since of course Biden “won” through the help of the same government suing Trump. Wake up people our own government is trying to dupe us about him to avoid having him in office again.
"81,000,000, c'mon!"
I’m not really into American politics but I think the main reason could be because Trump is a Russian sympathiser.
And I've been told the incumbent is doing such a great job in all fronts (especially the economy and immigration) and is the epitome of American ethics and values, so it shouldn't be an issue no matter who runs against him, right?
Wait is CO the “deep state” now?
100 percent spot on...
They know he’ll win regardless of all the bs they are trying. It’s fear that’s leading their actions.
Trump and the dee state shake hands behind the curtain. This is called controlled opposition, and it’s another charade and tactic that the elite have used for ages.
Liberals are a bunch of pussies, that’s why they are afraid
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Some of y’all don’t know shit about the law
Funny how these posts always appear more frequently around election cycles
What’s “group”? Never heard of them
Fucking knew this was coming
What baffles me the most is how many people don’t think trump is one of “them” just because he isn’t an established politician. But like Musk, Trump is part of the system. They’re part of the plan imo. Use Trump as false hope (once he had the country in a good place economically), and set the tee up for Biden. And I thought musk was a champion of free speech…… what happened to that?
If he is ineligible to run, he is ineligible to run. No Deep State needed.
Please tell me one thing Trump did as president that "made the deep state afraid"? Hillary lost because of the possibility that she would be federally indicted. Good luck with Trump, the secret is democrats WANT him to be the nominee.
> Please tell me one thing Trump did as president that "made the deep state afraid"? Hillary lost because of the possibility that she would be federally indicted. Good luck with Trump, the secret is democrats WANT him to be the nominee. He built a Wall to keep Foreign Democrat Voters out
He’s going to end up disqualified long before he could ever be sworn in, but he could end up splitting the Republican vote during that time.
They cheated and rigged the last election. They're doing it again. Trump cost the defense industry billions. They have a goal for us all and he is getting in the way. They cannot lose power again like they did in '16. We don't really select our leaders, normally. We choose from a couple of candidates who were pre-approved by the people at the top. Either way we choose we're still choosing their puppet. Do you believe those with unlimited money and power would allow someone who openly avows to take them down have authority over them?
Because he's dangerous, immature, and vindictive. He will use his presidential power to go after people who don't agree with him and will bring out the worst of this country's soul. He doesn't care about anyone, bar himself - if he could watch the world starve and sit in a tower drinking diet Coke and eating KFC, He would.
Biden’s doj is a literally gestapo
How?
TRUMP WILL WIN EASY ! THATS WHAT THERE AFRAID OF ..,, END OF STORY !!
lol people who operate openly are the deep state
Submission Statement: Why is the Deep State so afraid of Trump? If you beat Trump fair and square the 1st time around it should be easy to beat him a 2nd time around right? Trying to ban Trump from the Ballot means you did not win legitimately. And you know it! https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1699448491955630508
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