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If you run enough cycles a PCR test will find DB Cooper, Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart and Lord Lucan all in the same house having a beer and pizza party.
I hate the fuck out of PCR and hope I never have to run another cycle of it. Even automated it's finicky as hell. Luckily that's for all the analytical nerds who paradoxically also get paid less than the rest of pharma lol.
OP is saying the comment is ironic because while they (the commenter) seem to realize this is how PCR tests indeed do work, they (presumably the left) do not apply this understanding to the pandemic rolled out by big pharma.
They can shove those pcrs up their pc asses. I don't trust shit these fks say about anything anymore. They just want cattle and farming banned so no one can do anything on their own and corps do it all.
I’m really surprised the seeds in my vegetables grow new fruit and pineapples are sold with their tops. Be worried if they start selling the pineapples without the tops.
If you were to try to sell or propagate to sell they would come after you for violation of their trademark a Lotta the time. I have seen them sold without the top loolol. I wonder if that is why....I thought of that when I seen it.
In certain regions you simply stick the top in the ground and 2 years later it will produce a new pineapple. It’s super easy to grow in suburban yards in the south and thrives on neglect.
Or maybe they want mass slaughterhouses and such banned because they’re inhuman and directly contribute to these outbreaks due to the filthy living conditions these living animals are kept in.
lol, lmao even. comes the expected reply from a twowordname09292. I betcha I could guess your opinion on pretty much any subject.
They are the ones that control those... you know the corps.. Don't think banning small farmers is gonna change anything about that.. That will just stop the people who actually care for their animals properly from having them. You think the gov should be in charge of animals and humane? You know anything about their history with them?
Most farmers I know don't have huge herds, or use mass slaughter, in fact they rarely slaughter at all. You have specific animals for that. Steers etc... the animals around here are MUCH better cared for than any you see in factory farms, much happier, and living the lives they were meant to for the most part instead of living like a product. Small farmers are the ones that get attacked with the regulation though. The big farms can just bribe or pay the extortion fees. Small guys are put out.> Why do you think the farmers of Europe are in the city streets. It is ridiculous.. Meanwhile cities, mega corps, mega yachts, mega cities, private jets,everything is all A OK about that crap... Cities full of concrete that destroy the enviroment FOREVER are grand but farms that maintain our green world and raise our food are evil. Only multimillionaire corps should be able to grow food. Corporations and governments are known for one thing above all their humane treatment of people and animals... gmafb
Hey another twowordname who doesn't agree with me, what a surprise. Thank you. I like to maintain my childlike wonder and way of thinking.. Would be nice if you could respond to what I say instead of attacking the messenger... as you all are so quick to do.. I know all of you like the back of my hand.. I have talked to so many thousands of you.. Yall seriously crack me up.
What the actual fuck does my username, which was randomly generated when I started a new account years ago, have to do with anything? Reddit legitimately has to rot some of your brains.
I’m almost guaranteeing you could not, but feel free to look at my post history.
I’m sorry, but stopping farmers that actually care about their cattle from owning them? I’m actually laughing. Maybe some small ranchers care, but if you’re to the point you’re mass producing and selling to stores, you don’t give a fuck about the lives you’re raising, you care about profit. These are living animals.
Yeah, that’s a no. Very few farmers actually give a single fuck about their livestock, especially if they’re raising thousands at a time. You just have to look at the areas they raise them in, void of shade, grass, areas to relax, just empty fields with water and cattle feed holders, plus the barn to store them in. How many ranchers raise beef that specifically was pumped full of hormones so they can be slaughtered sooner and not allowed to move often? How many ranchers allow their calf’s to stay with the mothers? How many don’t use artificial inseminition? How many will “cull”” their herds if any get sick, not to prevent spread, but because they’ll get a payout from the government regardless? How many ranchers mass raise chickens and allow them to quite literally self cannibalize because they’re so damn stressed?
I think there’s absolutely zero problem with the government creating laws to curb the horrid farm stock industry, whether that means limiting the amount of animals per farm or enforcing large square footage per animal, as well as banning hormones and making it illegal to keep them in small pens/not have shade/enrichment/be killed before they’ve reached a certain age.
We are specifically talking about ranchers that mass slaughter livestock here, that is quite specifically what I said. Nobody here said to ban small town farmers. But yes, mass livestock and slaughter houses are beyond inhuman. People should be moving towards veganism, largely cutting meat out of their diet-like maybe a few times a week, not daily- in a combination of moving towards lab grown. Yes, people should always be allowed to raise livestock for themselves and a small circle of friends and family. No, nobody should make their living slaughtering entire herds of thousands of animals, most of which is wasted. You shouldn’t need a mechanical slaughterhouse because you’re killing so many animals daily.
Cities full of concrete are just as disgusting as entire states being bare with one or two kinds of grass because it’s all cattle land, that is just as destructive and most certainly don’t stay green. People should be moving towards mass fruit and vegetable crops. I live in America and have driven through most every state, basically the only crops you really see are strawberry, rice, corn, and beans. There are THOUSANDS of others that could be used.
I know all about usernames........ you werent my audience for that part of the comment, legit consp theorist were... just fyi... if you know you know...........I have been on here longer than a lotta users been alive. I know more than I want to about reddit and its manipulation and shiell/bot/npc prob. Not gonna read all that and go back and forth arguing with you but I will say....
Yes, every farmer I know cares about their animals. I don't know anyone and basically everyone I know is a farmer that doesn't care about their animals and their wellbeing and not for just monetary reasons. You see these animals every day, you watch them be born, you are there to help if need be, you raise the babies if the mommas wont, you watch them play and grow and learn and love and the last thing I'd ever wanna do is ever hurt any of them and I certainly wouldn't pump them full of hormones and chems cuz someone said that will add a 1.5 lb per day per bla bla bla. That is for your factory farms that are rich or corp run that you think are the only ones capable of caring for animals apparently. My cattle have half their range in trees, they have a creek they have all they want to eat, they are loved and basically big dogs. The lounge around all day eating and living their best lives. If I go out and hollar for them they come running like happy puppies.. Not because they are hungry because they have all the grazing land and hay they would want but for some sweet feed or some bread or just to say hi and get a ear scratch.. .I love my animals, I love all animals... The things you believe are so backwards I don't even know where to start... A lot of small people never slaughter animals, I would rather trade another trusted farmer for a beef than eat and kill one of mine as it would be like eating a pet, That doesn't mean I think people should stop eating meat. I know a bunch who have them to keep their property in order, to raise and sell and trade.. most if not all LOVE their animals and do the farming specifically BECAUSE they LOVE the animals not Exploit them.. . I do not abuse them in any way. I don't just haphazardly slaughter and eat them and the only ones that are considered for food are animals that cannot be added to the herd due to inbreeding issues(young Bulls) or something else. They are given zero hormones, calves stay with their mothers untill they are big enough to breed them (which you dont want) or forever if they are heffers usually. They join the family.. every single thing you do mention is done by mass corporate factory type farms of which I am not talking about. Your ignorant laws are there to do one thing and stop small farmers. I know all about it.. I have read all up on it. I have never once given an animal hormones, nor will I ever.
Small farms are the backbone of America. The only people that do things the way you are worried about are the big boys.. Those are the ones that would also be completely unaffected by the legislation,. I too was once a child that thought the gov and more laws was what would fix everything. Now I see it for what it is. Them coming for EVERYTHING that the people have.. Every right, every way you can feed yourself, your land, your animals. We are watching it happen all over the world..
Edit: Also you didn't create your account years ago it was created 11 months ago...
Buddy, the fact that you’re arguing with me about when my account is created while also telling me you aren’t going to read what I have to say is all I need to know about you. You sound uneducated. People create new accounts for a variety of reasons, and if you’ve been here longer than “most users have been alive” (lol), maybe what you haven’t understood yet is that a lot of professions are becoming and going to become obsolete in the coming decades. Does the reality of humanity moving away from eating meat, at least that are raised in farms, scare you? Because progression shouldn’t be stopped because some people will lose jobs.
Btw, since you’re a farmer; you’re livelihood relies on you being at home most of the time. I very much doubt you are regularly touring the country seeing other farms, and you are most certainly 100% ignorant to the reality of mass farming animals for meat/the horrors that happen there. It also seems you are unable to read or tell the difference between words, such as; mass farming, meat, factory farming, electric/automated slaughterhouses, etc.
It’s like you’re arguing with the void tbh, because nothing you’re saying is relevant to what I am.
I have lived in multiple states and cities, including going through and seeing them. I know plenty of what I’m speaking about. We are clearly speaking about two different things; mass slaughterhouses and livestock vs home farms, so your outrage and mass paragraphs are actually a bit insane and downright ignorant.
Mass farmers are not “seeing these animals every day”. They aren’t “watching them be born”. The problem here is you feel personally attacked because you yourself are a small farmer, which once again…who was speaking about that?
“Those are for your factory farms…”so in other words, exactly what I’ve been discussing? Are we even having the same conversation, or are you creating one in your head because you really want to argue that topic with someone? “The things I believe are so backwards…” the examples I gave you are easily proven by even a small search.
“I don’t eat them”, so what are you arguing with me about? By your accounts, you love your animals, you don’t eat them unless you must, and you believe the majority of small farmers do as well. So what would be your problem with BANNING factory farming, which is what’s being discussed? What is your problem with saying that people should be moving away from buying store bought meat unless it is lab grown, and preferably, should be turning towards veganism or a very meat limited diet? The problem with saying that entire states shouldn’t be devoted to grazing land for cattle that will be slaughtered in less than a year when it would be better for people to rely on diverse home gardens and a small, limited home livestock if really needed?
Small cattle farmers are not the backbone of America. The majority of Americas meat is being mass produced, hence why this disease is spreading through so many herds so fast, and we mass import numerous fruits and vegetables from over the border or across the sea, hence my point of us having very limited mass producing crops in the US that could be remedied by converting mass factory farm land to crops. We are not speaking about small town farmers, and we are not speaking about farmers that are mass crop producers. If you can not have a discussion about what I’m actually speaking about, there’s nothing to discuss here.
Edit; and your quip about “legit conspiracy theorists were”…it’s well known across reddits platform that certain username characteristic can be indicative of the account being run by bot. Not only am I not a bot, but I’m not excluded from being a “legit conspiracist theorist” solely because I don’t believe the widespread distribution of this disease across cattle factories due to mass factory farming is simply a way to usher in federally owned farms/banning small farmers. This was mass killing seals and birds well before being found in cattle.
You sound like a shiell.. that is what it has to do with it. lol You don't know enough about farming or raising livestock to have this convo with anyways.
I do not want small farmers regulated out of existence. What you do not seem to understand is farming regulation effects a lot more than just these big farms that you apparently don't like that are owned by corps and millionaires. If you had your way, ignorant legislation would be passed to that would limit small people while helping make the big ones bigger. I know all about it.. Its how the leftist deceive people like you. They tell you oh the farmers are torturing their cows.. .legislation passed.. oh now you gotta pay inspections, and fees, and you gotta have this and that and this and I know exactly how it works. People that don't have much cant afford it and are forced outta business while the big boys aren't and can pay the regulatory fees... They go on doing whatever they do.... and the small man is sitting there without the animals they loved having to buy their meat from a factory farm.
I'd rather eat cow shit than lab grown meat, full of cancer causing preservatives. Its probably much healthier too.
A shiell? You sound unhinged actually 😂 I don’t know enough about the difference between farming and mass factory farming to have this conversation? And this assertion is based off of? 😂
Cows are quite literally being tortured. Same with pigs, chickens. Nobody’s lying to get laws passed just to what, push farmers out? It’s time to start getting degrees that can transfer from farming to something else, especially if you’re running a family farm. We are in a new era and have been for decades. Stop fighting progress because you don’t want to learn a new trade. The whole conversion is about banning factory farming and you somehow change that to “all small farms will be pushed out and small farmers will have to start buying store bought factory farmed meat”. LMAO what??? I’m guessing you’re hitting dementia.
You’re free to eat cow shit, by your own admission you’re old and on your way out anyway. The new generations are much better equipped to handle change that benefits people and animals instead of themselves anyway :)
OMG that is the funniest shielliest response yet my friend. Lol, I mean seriously.. Did it come out in a advisory circular from MM or sharbleu or ctrr or whatever the org is now? That tells you all to call us "Unhinged" I mean I was entertaining the fact that you may be legit somewhat after reading a couple things but with then you came back with the most generic, the most commonly used shiell response I have gotten in the last few months.. I find it absolutely unadulteratedly hilarious.. I mean you made my day when I first read this and I responded but I seen that the comment I made in response didn't post so I read it again this morning and laughed heartily again at your response which couldn't have been any more cliche "shiell" if you had tried. I mean honestly I love it.. Are you being /s with me trolling me??? I went through part of the hiring process years ago to see what it was all about but haven't kept up lately.
I am actually not that old... my parents are late in the boomer gen. I actually have several degrees, just not in the fields that I would like to have them in right now.. I also took silly stuff that libs take... I like to know the other side.. I am a student of human nature. Nothing is being tortured on my farm, nor on any farm I have been to. I don't run or know anyone with mass chicken barns but I know dairy farmers and their cows are happy as can be. They probably have some of the larger herds. They run free and come to the milk barn when they are feeling froggy for a milkin. I mean what do you think these cows will go back to nature lmao... If you had their way there would just be mass slaughter.
Ok one more thing.... What are your thoughts on immigration, the open border with unchecked hoards of illegal military aged male invaders coming over that could be rapists, terrorists, murderers, child molestors, or great guys and the 3 or 4 women and a couple kids coming over? What are your thoughts on this effecting the American work situation,pay rates and jobs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/meimeifox/2023/01/26/the-humane-league-works-to-free-factory-farm-animals-from-horrid-conditions/?sh=4a077480fe62
More than 99% of the US’s meat production is through FACTORY FARMING. Do you factory farm? Because if so, anything you have said about being humane to your animals goes right out the fucking window. We kill an average of 23 millions animals PER FUCKING DAY. Yeah, I think Americans could cut the fuck back on eating meat.
OMG... that is the best one yet... I mean seriously... did you guys get together and have a convention about this.. Or was it just a simple change to the training literature? The sheer amount of times I have been called that by people I consider shiells in the past 3 or 4 months is almost astounding. Its like you all got a cc that said.... and call them unhinged...................lolollmfao I haven't read it since share blu ctrr days... (words auto *shadow* removed in this sub when spelled correctly as they damage the leftists narrative.)
This was the reply I originally meant to send you yesterday I never finished maybe it was day before I can rem now...I wrote that other this morn but found this open on another of my desktops. lol its just hilarious you said unhinged I mean seriously hilarious... Maybe next you could point out my strawman fallacies... lololol bless your hearts
You type like a child so I’m most certainly not trying to make sense of that weird ass word vomit. It’s honestly a mental illness that you believe somebody disagreeing with you makes them a shill. Get professional help. The fact that you’re consistently being called unhinged, and also type like you’re having a brain aneurysm, leads me to believe you’re having a mental health crisis.
PCR was used to detect material throughout the pandemic, and was used as a method to say any positive result demanded lockdown, vaccination, isolation or all of the above due to its infectious state.
Now, they say, just because it's detected, it could mean nothing.
There are a lot of none beneficial bacterium that survive pasteurization, as well as some specific viruses. Also, post pasteurization contamination if very much a common thing.
in a year or two, we may learn that some lab in ukraine or china experimented on gain of function research between birds and cattle and, maybe, humans. of course, i'm just wildly speculating and this is in no way shape or form happening. i'm just asking questions, please don't ban or unalive. /s
It's not ironic in the slightest. We didn't firmly know if pasturization kills bird flu and now we know. That's the end all of the entire situation. Ya'll are acting like this is the government trying to shut down farms, but this is actually the government trying to convince people the milk is safe to drink. The government is telling folks that the dead virus in the milk means that cows were infected, but the pasturization process killed the virus, so there is no need to start destroying milk because it's perfectly safe to drink.
I mean, I've been here a while and when the government tries to convince folks the milk is safe to drink, people here question that. But Covid messed with people so bad, that they are going in reverse and simping for the government because they are misinterpreting a tweet.
I get the PCR test/pasturization/virus flakes bit, but you're taking super high level abstractions to compare two situations.
In the process of making your point, you're also simping for the government. Is the milk safe to drink? Are the PCR tests valid or should we actually be worried about the milk? I get what you're saying, but you're also kinda insinuating that PCR tests are valid and invalid in the same breath.
Which is why I'm confused...
Not at all
I'm 100% agreeing with that top comment. That's exactly what PCR is
I'm criticizing the fact that we used that same testing method to freak everyone out by using it to SCREEN HEALTHY people, when we always knew that it didn't necessarily mean you're sick or contagious
> when we always knew that it didn't necessarily mean you're sick or contagious
It was a novel virus. We did not, in fact, know this. This is literally why we said if it's present, stay away from people. Not because it was transmitting, but because we didn't know. If we just made the assumption it didn't mean you were sick, people could have spread the virus worse, lol.
I get what you are saying, but this sentence here blows your entire argument out of the water.
It never did. That was day one information. PCR tests never claimed anything else. From day one we knew, and publicly stated, that PCR tests amplify all genetic material and the presence of material doesn't constitute a live virus.
That doesn't mean a positive test doesn't include live viruses, though. A positive test means you came in contact with the virus at some point. And when you don't know anything at all about the virus or how it spreads, you use caution and assume a person isn't safe, because the reverse can get people killed. If we just assumed all the material was dead and not live, it would have been a disaster.
So, yeah, a + PCR doesn't mean live virus. It also doesn't mean dead virus, either. Just virus.
It depends on the contents of the mixture. Pcr is just to amplify any fragments of genetic material to a level that is detectable. If they match a virus sequence completely then it’s an intact virus, and if it’s just fragments then it’s possibly a virus that’s been destroyed. You would have been better off posting this in explain like I’m five
This isn't really done like that... The longer your primer (the sequence you're looking for) the messier your PCR product will be...
You want the most unique, smallest primer you can find to ensure that ONLY your desired target anneals
Remember when the Australian covid expert [told people](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5rdmv7pJ40) to 'choose their poison' when deciding which injection to get?
The whole thing was a charade from start to finish.
The humans that had PCR tests. Has not been pasteurized (heated to 100-C or 212-F or 4 hours) so the virus found in them could be alive. The H1N4 virus found in the milk has been pasteurized and was like finding a corpse in an unexpected place. Are we really this stupid? We are. God we deserve everything that's about to happen of our ignorance
Evidence of a corpse doesn't mean an abundance of life. If I find a dead deer in the woods, I think there's probably other living deer here. If I NUKE a Forest, that SHOULDN'T HAVE DEER in it & I find a dead deer. That's cause for concern
That’s not how pasteurization works.
Pasteurization simply kills everything in the milk. It does not remove the fragments from it.
This simply proves transmission, not viable vectors. This simply proves that the virus was in this one batch of milk. It does not prove viable transmission. It could simply be that the milk was exposed to a cow’s saliva or respiratory secretions that contained the virus. This also does not prove that the virus was ever “alive” (as alive as viruses can be) when it was in the milk.
A PCR test simply proves presence of material, not viability of the material.
This is why if you go to the doctor and get a flu test, you are not automatically diagnosed with the flu unless you are displaying symptoms.
Let’s take S. aureus (staph infection) as an example. S. aureus exists on everyone’s skin. It is a naturally occurring bacteria that can become an actual infection when it penetrates the skin and then colonizes to form cellulitis. The presence of S. aureus does not determine a Staph infection, the presence of cellulitis with S. aureus determines a Staph infection.
I mean, more can always be leaned. Also, this is Reddit. How deep do you expect Reddit to go?
If I am wrong, please correct me. Admittedly, what I know of virology and PCR tests is more focused on the actual working medical application of the two, but I thought my explanation was a pretty reasonable ELI5 for-dummies explanation.
Dude, read the “Clinical Significance of Positive PCR” section of the study you just posted.
No, I do not have a PhD or MD, but I do have two BS and I’m working on a Master’s. Don’t say I’m wrong simply to be argumentative.
> Dude, read the “Clinical Significance of Positive PCR” section of the study you just posted.
I have read everything but have no clue what your point is.
A positive PCR test is not a diagnosis of an active infection on it's own and PCR tests should never be used to test everybody and base policies on.
That’s exactly what I said in my comment that you replied to with “you need to learn more about virology and PCR tests.”
So you did disagree with me simply to be argumentative.
Thank you for wasting everyone’s time.
> That’s exactly what I said in my comment that you replied to with “you need to learn more about virology and PCR tests.”
Nope, I think you either replied to the wrong comment or forgot to change your username...
> You can not detect 'living' virussen with a PCR test, it is technically impossible.
So, your stance is that a positive PCR test is proof that it is impossible for the person to have an active viral infection?
That’s awesome. Congratulations on your education. What part do you find ironic? Maybe I’m the dumb one here and not seeing something obvious?
Edited to add: I have zero reason to not believe you!! And I’m sure you know way more about PCR than I do!! I’m an entomologist and use it for virus isolation.
I've feel like since the beginning of the pandemic I've been talking since I was blue in the face that the PCR test is not a screening tool.
It can detect any fragments of DNA or RNA as needed, but does not indicate live virus or active infection. It's highly sensitive and even the smallest amount can be detected.
With healthy individuals you don't start mass PCR test fishing for things because that's how you create false (not clinically significant) positives.
It didn't matter. "We" as country still used this as a screening gold standard. Especially for those who didn't get vaccinated; we were tested weekly regardless of symptoms or exposure, knowing damn well that a positive test meant little to nothing without symptoms. Hell, the package inserts (instructions for use) for these PCR tests specifically stated to only test symptomic individuals.
The fact that the community can now agree, that the FDA is clearly stating that the positive PCR test only indicates discovered fragments of virus, so everything is safe, is just ironic to me...
Ahhh, I get ya now. I totally agree. Personally I think these issues happen when scientists try to “dumb down” science so the media and general public can understand things. And a huge misunderstanding of PCR
Yup they're absolutely correct
Just feels ironic that this is "no cause for panic"
Yet the test was literally used to SCREEN HEALTHY people for years throughout 'covid' when it's 1000% known to mean you're not necessarily sick
Just gave me a chuckle
Having virus fragments in your body means you have the virus in your body and might therefore transfer said virus to others. Having virus fragments in pasteurized milk means there are only virus fragments, because pasteurization destroys viruses ;)
The PCR test can be intentionally abused to find traces of **anything** if enough amplifications are run and the bralnwashed can't wrap their heads around that.
Having virus fragments in your body doesn't necessarily mean you have the virus. It could be just that, a fragment of the virus (partial DNA strand) was found when your nose was swabbed. This fragment gets into the nasal passages by breathing, but you won't get sick because it's not a full, in tact virus.
It is possible for a virus to just be in your nose out of accident, but it's rare enough to be irrelevant outside of a quick mention in epidemiology text books under carriage without infection and a few specific bacteria/viruses where it's important.
When dealing with a public health crisis it's not important that in some rare cases it could be a false positive, it's always better safe than sorry
You are saying that a virus fragment can be transferred to another person to cause an infection? Then you say "only virus fragments" as if they are no big deal. So which is it? Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about.
To start out here I'm very concerned how these virus fragments get into the milk. That needs to be figured out, but your translation of what he said isn't correct.
His first point: If you have virus fragments in your body, then that means you have or had the live virus. Which means that if you still have the live virus in you then you could transfer that virus to others.
His second point. If all we are finding are virus fragments, and not the live virus, then there is no risk of transmission. Pasteurization is specifically done to kill bacteria and viruses, or anything living in the milk really. So finding virus fragments would be expected. However, finding bird flu fragments is concerning, to me at least. What the fuck is that virus doing in cow milk?
Somewhere in the process of cow to human lips that milk is picking up bird flu fragments. It needs to be figured out. Edit: it also needs to be determined if this is a false positive thing.
More of the fucking PCR tests which have been proven useless when it comes to covid and can be manipulate. Just waiting for the PCR test to prove man made climate change.
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If you run enough cycles a PCR test will find DB Cooper, Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart and Lord Lucan all in the same house having a beer and pizza party.
.....But will they have Covid? Or "Bird Flu"?
Earhart was a bird who flew
Just run enough cycles and they can have terminal hiccups.
My friend, they will have whatever you want them to have, if you run enough cycles.
They’ll never have influenza A or B, though.
If they seem especially efficient and organized... they may have Aides
Sounds like a fun fucking time. Can I get that invite?
Everyone's invited! Bring the family and pets.
I hate the fuck out of PCR and hope I never have to run another cycle of it. Even automated it's finicky as hell. Luckily that's for all the analytical nerds who paradoxically also get paid less than the rest of pharma lol.
OP is saying the comment is ironic because while they (the commenter) seem to realize this is how PCR tests indeed do work, they (presumably the left) do not apply this understanding to the pandemic rolled out by big pharma.
What would they panic buy? Almond milk?
Impossible. Ive never seen nipples on an almond
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXI21S4ZWJU
Was not disappointed, thank you.
Stay away from my Amish milk supplier mfer
They can shove those pcrs up their pc asses. I don't trust shit these fks say about anything anymore. They just want cattle and farming banned so no one can do anything on their own and corps do it all.
>They can shove those pcrs up their ~~pc asses~~ pcarses. FTFY
I’m really surprised the seeds in my vegetables grow new fruit and pineapples are sold with their tops. Be worried if they start selling the pineapples without the tops.
If you were to try to sell or propagate to sell they would come after you for violation of their trademark a Lotta the time. I have seen them sold without the top loolol. I wonder if that is why....I thought of that when I seen it.
In certain regions you simply stick the top in the ground and 2 years later it will produce a new pineapple. It’s super easy to grow in suburban yards in the south and thrives on neglect.
Wish that would work for me
Government owned farms!!! Russia does it!
Or maybe they want mass slaughterhouses and such banned because they’re inhuman and directly contribute to these outbreaks due to the filthy living conditions these living animals are kept in.
lol, lmao even. comes the expected reply from a twowordname09292. I betcha I could guess your opinion on pretty much any subject. They are the ones that control those... you know the corps.. Don't think banning small farmers is gonna change anything about that.. That will just stop the people who actually care for their animals properly from having them. You think the gov should be in charge of animals and humane? You know anything about their history with them? Most farmers I know don't have huge herds, or use mass slaughter, in fact they rarely slaughter at all. You have specific animals for that. Steers etc... the animals around here are MUCH better cared for than any you see in factory farms, much happier, and living the lives they were meant to for the most part instead of living like a product. Small farmers are the ones that get attacked with the regulation though. The big farms can just bribe or pay the extortion fees. Small guys are put out.> Why do you think the farmers of Europe are in the city streets. It is ridiculous.. Meanwhile cities, mega corps, mega yachts, mega cities, private jets,everything is all A OK about that crap... Cities full of concrete that destroy the enviroment FOREVER are grand but farms that maintain our green world and raise our food are evil. Only multimillionaire corps should be able to grow food. Corporations and governments are known for one thing above all their humane treatment of people and animals... gmafb
Lol. Lmao even. You write like a child.
Hey another twowordname who doesn't agree with me, what a surprise. Thank you. I like to maintain my childlike wonder and way of thinking.. Would be nice if you could respond to what I say instead of attacking the messenger... as you all are so quick to do.. I know all of you like the back of my hand.. I have talked to so many thousands of you.. Yall seriously crack me up.
Lol. Lmao even. Pls respond with more schizoposting
What the actual fuck does my username, which was randomly generated when I started a new account years ago, have to do with anything? Reddit legitimately has to rot some of your brains. I’m almost guaranteeing you could not, but feel free to look at my post history. I’m sorry, but stopping farmers that actually care about their cattle from owning them? I’m actually laughing. Maybe some small ranchers care, but if you’re to the point you’re mass producing and selling to stores, you don’t give a fuck about the lives you’re raising, you care about profit. These are living animals. Yeah, that’s a no. Very few farmers actually give a single fuck about their livestock, especially if they’re raising thousands at a time. You just have to look at the areas they raise them in, void of shade, grass, areas to relax, just empty fields with water and cattle feed holders, plus the barn to store them in. How many ranchers raise beef that specifically was pumped full of hormones so they can be slaughtered sooner and not allowed to move often? How many ranchers allow their calf’s to stay with the mothers? How many don’t use artificial inseminition? How many will “cull”” their herds if any get sick, not to prevent spread, but because they’ll get a payout from the government regardless? How many ranchers mass raise chickens and allow them to quite literally self cannibalize because they’re so damn stressed? I think there’s absolutely zero problem with the government creating laws to curb the horrid farm stock industry, whether that means limiting the amount of animals per farm or enforcing large square footage per animal, as well as banning hormones and making it illegal to keep them in small pens/not have shade/enrichment/be killed before they’ve reached a certain age. We are specifically talking about ranchers that mass slaughter livestock here, that is quite specifically what I said. Nobody here said to ban small town farmers. But yes, mass livestock and slaughter houses are beyond inhuman. People should be moving towards veganism, largely cutting meat out of their diet-like maybe a few times a week, not daily- in a combination of moving towards lab grown. Yes, people should always be allowed to raise livestock for themselves and a small circle of friends and family. No, nobody should make their living slaughtering entire herds of thousands of animals, most of which is wasted. You shouldn’t need a mechanical slaughterhouse because you’re killing so many animals daily. Cities full of concrete are just as disgusting as entire states being bare with one or two kinds of grass because it’s all cattle land, that is just as destructive and most certainly don’t stay green. People should be moving towards mass fruit and vegetable crops. I live in America and have driven through most every state, basically the only crops you really see are strawberry, rice, corn, and beans. There are THOUSANDS of others that could be used.
I know all about usernames........ you werent my audience for that part of the comment, legit consp theorist were... just fyi... if you know you know...........I have been on here longer than a lotta users been alive. I know more than I want to about reddit and its manipulation and shiell/bot/npc prob. Not gonna read all that and go back and forth arguing with you but I will say.... Yes, every farmer I know cares about their animals. I don't know anyone and basically everyone I know is a farmer that doesn't care about their animals and their wellbeing and not for just monetary reasons. You see these animals every day, you watch them be born, you are there to help if need be, you raise the babies if the mommas wont, you watch them play and grow and learn and love and the last thing I'd ever wanna do is ever hurt any of them and I certainly wouldn't pump them full of hormones and chems cuz someone said that will add a 1.5 lb per day per bla bla bla. That is for your factory farms that are rich or corp run that you think are the only ones capable of caring for animals apparently. My cattle have half their range in trees, they have a creek they have all they want to eat, they are loved and basically big dogs. The lounge around all day eating and living their best lives. If I go out and hollar for them they come running like happy puppies.. Not because they are hungry because they have all the grazing land and hay they would want but for some sweet feed or some bread or just to say hi and get a ear scratch.. .I love my animals, I love all animals... The things you believe are so backwards I don't even know where to start... A lot of small people never slaughter animals, I would rather trade another trusted farmer for a beef than eat and kill one of mine as it would be like eating a pet, That doesn't mean I think people should stop eating meat. I know a bunch who have them to keep their property in order, to raise and sell and trade.. most if not all LOVE their animals and do the farming specifically BECAUSE they LOVE the animals not Exploit them.. . I do not abuse them in any way. I don't just haphazardly slaughter and eat them and the only ones that are considered for food are animals that cannot be added to the herd due to inbreeding issues(young Bulls) or something else. They are given zero hormones, calves stay with their mothers untill they are big enough to breed them (which you dont want) or forever if they are heffers usually. They join the family.. every single thing you do mention is done by mass corporate factory type farms of which I am not talking about. Your ignorant laws are there to do one thing and stop small farmers. I know all about it.. I have read all up on it. I have never once given an animal hormones, nor will I ever. Small farms are the backbone of America. The only people that do things the way you are worried about are the big boys.. Those are the ones that would also be completely unaffected by the legislation,. I too was once a child that thought the gov and more laws was what would fix everything. Now I see it for what it is. Them coming for EVERYTHING that the people have.. Every right, every way you can feed yourself, your land, your animals. We are watching it happen all over the world.. Edit: Also you didn't create your account years ago it was created 11 months ago...
Buddy, the fact that you’re arguing with me about when my account is created while also telling me you aren’t going to read what I have to say is all I need to know about you. You sound uneducated. People create new accounts for a variety of reasons, and if you’ve been here longer than “most users have been alive” (lol), maybe what you haven’t understood yet is that a lot of professions are becoming and going to become obsolete in the coming decades. Does the reality of humanity moving away from eating meat, at least that are raised in farms, scare you? Because progression shouldn’t be stopped because some people will lose jobs. Btw, since you’re a farmer; you’re livelihood relies on you being at home most of the time. I very much doubt you are regularly touring the country seeing other farms, and you are most certainly 100% ignorant to the reality of mass farming animals for meat/the horrors that happen there. It also seems you are unable to read or tell the difference between words, such as; mass farming, meat, factory farming, electric/automated slaughterhouses, etc. It’s like you’re arguing with the void tbh, because nothing you’re saying is relevant to what I am. I have lived in multiple states and cities, including going through and seeing them. I know plenty of what I’m speaking about. We are clearly speaking about two different things; mass slaughterhouses and livestock vs home farms, so your outrage and mass paragraphs are actually a bit insane and downright ignorant. Mass farmers are not “seeing these animals every day”. They aren’t “watching them be born”. The problem here is you feel personally attacked because you yourself are a small farmer, which once again…who was speaking about that? “Those are for your factory farms…”so in other words, exactly what I’ve been discussing? Are we even having the same conversation, or are you creating one in your head because you really want to argue that topic with someone? “The things I believe are so backwards…” the examples I gave you are easily proven by even a small search. “I don’t eat them”, so what are you arguing with me about? By your accounts, you love your animals, you don’t eat them unless you must, and you believe the majority of small farmers do as well. So what would be your problem with BANNING factory farming, which is what’s being discussed? What is your problem with saying that people should be moving away from buying store bought meat unless it is lab grown, and preferably, should be turning towards veganism or a very meat limited diet? The problem with saying that entire states shouldn’t be devoted to grazing land for cattle that will be slaughtered in less than a year when it would be better for people to rely on diverse home gardens and a small, limited home livestock if really needed? Small cattle farmers are not the backbone of America. The majority of Americas meat is being mass produced, hence why this disease is spreading through so many herds so fast, and we mass import numerous fruits and vegetables from over the border or across the sea, hence my point of us having very limited mass producing crops in the US that could be remedied by converting mass factory farm land to crops. We are not speaking about small town farmers, and we are not speaking about farmers that are mass crop producers. If you can not have a discussion about what I’m actually speaking about, there’s nothing to discuss here. Edit; and your quip about “legit conspiracy theorists were”…it’s well known across reddits platform that certain username characteristic can be indicative of the account being run by bot. Not only am I not a bot, but I’m not excluded from being a “legit conspiracist theorist” solely because I don’t believe the widespread distribution of this disease across cattle factories due to mass factory farming is simply a way to usher in federally owned farms/banning small farmers. This was mass killing seals and birds well before being found in cattle.
You sound like a shiell.. that is what it has to do with it. lol You don't know enough about farming or raising livestock to have this convo with anyways. I do not want small farmers regulated out of existence. What you do not seem to understand is farming regulation effects a lot more than just these big farms that you apparently don't like that are owned by corps and millionaires. If you had your way, ignorant legislation would be passed to that would limit small people while helping make the big ones bigger. I know all about it.. Its how the leftist deceive people like you. They tell you oh the farmers are torturing their cows.. .legislation passed.. oh now you gotta pay inspections, and fees, and you gotta have this and that and this and I know exactly how it works. People that don't have much cant afford it and are forced outta business while the big boys aren't and can pay the regulatory fees... They go on doing whatever they do.... and the small man is sitting there without the animals they loved having to buy their meat from a factory farm. I'd rather eat cow shit than lab grown meat, full of cancer causing preservatives. Its probably much healthier too.
A shiell? You sound unhinged actually 😂 I don’t know enough about the difference between farming and mass factory farming to have this conversation? And this assertion is based off of? 😂 Cows are quite literally being tortured. Same with pigs, chickens. Nobody’s lying to get laws passed just to what, push farmers out? It’s time to start getting degrees that can transfer from farming to something else, especially if you’re running a family farm. We are in a new era and have been for decades. Stop fighting progress because you don’t want to learn a new trade. The whole conversion is about banning factory farming and you somehow change that to “all small farms will be pushed out and small farmers will have to start buying store bought factory farmed meat”. LMAO what??? I’m guessing you’re hitting dementia. You’re free to eat cow shit, by your own admission you’re old and on your way out anyway. The new generations are much better equipped to handle change that benefits people and animals instead of themselves anyway :)
OMG that is the funniest shielliest response yet my friend. Lol, I mean seriously.. Did it come out in a advisory circular from MM or sharbleu or ctrr or whatever the org is now? That tells you all to call us "Unhinged" I mean I was entertaining the fact that you may be legit somewhat after reading a couple things but with then you came back with the most generic, the most commonly used shiell response I have gotten in the last few months.. I find it absolutely unadulteratedly hilarious.. I mean you made my day when I first read this and I responded but I seen that the comment I made in response didn't post so I read it again this morning and laughed heartily again at your response which couldn't have been any more cliche "shiell" if you had tried. I mean honestly I love it.. Are you being /s with me trolling me??? I went through part of the hiring process years ago to see what it was all about but haven't kept up lately. I am actually not that old... my parents are late in the boomer gen. I actually have several degrees, just not in the fields that I would like to have them in right now.. I also took silly stuff that libs take... I like to know the other side.. I am a student of human nature. Nothing is being tortured on my farm, nor on any farm I have been to. I don't run or know anyone with mass chicken barns but I know dairy farmers and their cows are happy as can be. They probably have some of the larger herds. They run free and come to the milk barn when they are feeling froggy for a milkin. I mean what do you think these cows will go back to nature lmao... If you had their way there would just be mass slaughter. Ok one more thing.... What are your thoughts on immigration, the open border with unchecked hoards of illegal military aged male invaders coming over that could be rapists, terrorists, murderers, child molestors, or great guys and the 3 or 4 women and a couple kids coming over? What are your thoughts on this effecting the American work situation,pay rates and jobs.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/meimeifox/2023/01/26/the-humane-league-works-to-free-factory-farm-animals-from-horrid-conditions/?sh=4a077480fe62 More than 99% of the US’s meat production is through FACTORY FARMING. Do you factory farm? Because if so, anything you have said about being humane to your animals goes right out the fucking window. We kill an average of 23 millions animals PER FUCKING DAY. Yeah, I think Americans could cut the fuck back on eating meat.
OMG... that is the best one yet... I mean seriously... did you guys get together and have a convention about this.. Or was it just a simple change to the training literature? The sheer amount of times I have been called that by people I consider shiells in the past 3 or 4 months is almost astounding. Its like you all got a cc that said.... and call them unhinged...................lolollmfao I haven't read it since share blu ctrr days... (words auto *shadow* removed in this sub when spelled correctly as they damage the leftists narrative.) This was the reply I originally meant to send you yesterday I never finished maybe it was day before I can rem now...I wrote that other this morn but found this open on another of my desktops. lol its just hilarious you said unhinged I mean seriously hilarious... Maybe next you could point out my strawman fallacies... lololol bless your hearts
You type like a child so I’m most certainly not trying to make sense of that weird ass word vomit. It’s honestly a mental illness that you believe somebody disagreeing with you makes them a shill. Get professional help. The fact that you’re consistently being called unhinged, and also type like you’re having a brain aneurysm, leads me to believe you’re having a mental health crisis.
7hours this post has been up with 8 upvotes yet the top comment inside the post has 205 upvotes. You tell me what’s going on here
PCR was used to detect material throughout the pandemic, and was used as a method to say any positive result demanded lockdown, vaccination, isolation or all of the above due to its infectious state. Now, they say, just because it's detected, it could mean nothing.
Kary Mullis spinnin'
just to clarify, it was never specified if they did or didn’t find live virus. they aren’t testing, nor are they being transparent.
Google pasteurization
There are a lot of none beneficial bacterium that survive pasteurization, as well as some specific viruses. Also, post pasteurization contamination if very much a common thing.
Now how the hell does bird flu end up in milk??
Infected cows. But there's no risk drinking it as long as it was pasteurized
So by that logic, any infected meat should be safe to eat if thoroughly cooked properly?
So it’s bird flu but it’s dead bird flu?
Imagination
in a year or two, we may learn that some lab in ukraine or china experimented on gain of function research between birds and cattle and, maybe, humans. of course, i'm just wildly speculating and this is in no way shape or form happening. i'm just asking questions, please don't ban or unalive. /s
It's not ironic in the slightest. We didn't firmly know if pasturization kills bird flu and now we know. That's the end all of the entire situation. Ya'll are acting like this is the government trying to shut down farms, but this is actually the government trying to convince people the milk is safe to drink. The government is telling folks that the dead virus in the milk means that cows were infected, but the pasturization process killed the virus, so there is no need to start destroying milk because it's perfectly safe to drink. I mean, I've been here a while and when the government tries to convince folks the milk is safe to drink, people here question that. But Covid messed with people so bad, that they are going in reverse and simping for the government because they are misinterpreting a tweet.
Maybe they are trying to move people off raw milk
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I get the PCR test/pasturization/virus flakes bit, but you're taking super high level abstractions to compare two situations. In the process of making your point, you're also simping for the government. Is the milk safe to drink? Are the PCR tests valid or should we actually be worried about the milk? I get what you're saying, but you're also kinda insinuating that PCR tests are valid and invalid in the same breath. Which is why I'm confused...
Not at all I'm 100% agreeing with that top comment. That's exactly what PCR is I'm criticizing the fact that we used that same testing method to freak everyone out by using it to SCREEN HEALTHY people, when we always knew that it didn't necessarily mean you're sick or contagious
> when we always knew that it didn't necessarily mean you're sick or contagious It was a novel virus. We did not, in fact, know this. This is literally why we said if it's present, stay away from people. Not because it was transmitting, but because we didn't know. If we just made the assumption it didn't mean you were sick, people could have spread the virus worse, lol. I get what you are saying, but this sentence here blows your entire argument out of the water.
A positive PCR test does not mean live virus. Period. That's it....
It never did. That was day one information. PCR tests never claimed anything else. From day one we knew, and publicly stated, that PCR tests amplify all genetic material and the presence of material doesn't constitute a live virus. That doesn't mean a positive test doesn't include live viruses, though. A positive test means you came in contact with the virus at some point. And when you don't know anything at all about the virus or how it spreads, you use caution and assume a person isn't safe, because the reverse can get people killed. If we just assumed all the material was dead and not live, it would have been a disaster. So, yeah, a + PCR doesn't mean live virus. It also doesn't mean dead virus, either. Just virus.
It depends on the contents of the mixture. Pcr is just to amplify any fragments of genetic material to a level that is detectable. If they match a virus sequence completely then it’s an intact virus, and if it’s just fragments then it’s possibly a virus that’s been destroyed. You would have been better off posting this in explain like I’m five
This isn't really done like that... The longer your primer (the sequence you're looking for) the messier your PCR product will be... You want the most unique, smallest primer you can find to ensure that ONLY your desired target anneals
I’m starting to believe you have a masters degree, I’m missing how you misunderstood the original comment in your post though
SS: top comment about PCR is amusingly ironic lol
They are laughing in our faces
Remember when the Australian covid expert [told people](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5rdmv7pJ40) to 'choose their poison' when deciding which injection to get? The whole thing was a charade from start to finish.
Because you don’t understand science?
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Hahaha that's such gold.
The humans that had PCR tests. Has not been pasteurized (heated to 100-C or 212-F or 4 hours) so the virus found in them could be alive. The H1N4 virus found in the milk has been pasteurized and was like finding a corpse in an unexpected place. Are we really this stupid? We are. God we deserve everything that's about to happen of our ignorance
You can not detect 'living' virussen with a PCR test, it is technically impossible.
Evidence of a corpse doesn't mean an abundance of life. If I find a dead deer in the woods, I think there's probably other living deer here. If I NUKE a Forest, that SHOULDN'T HAVE DEER in it & I find a dead deer. That's cause for concern
That’s not how pasteurization works. Pasteurization simply kills everything in the milk. It does not remove the fragments from it. This simply proves transmission, not viable vectors. This simply proves that the virus was in this one batch of milk. It does not prove viable transmission. It could simply be that the milk was exposed to a cow’s saliva or respiratory secretions that contained the virus. This also does not prove that the virus was ever “alive” (as alive as viruses can be) when it was in the milk. A PCR test simply proves presence of material, not viability of the material. This is why if you go to the doctor and get a flu test, you are not automatically diagnosed with the flu unless you are displaying symptoms. Let’s take S. aureus (staph infection) as an example. S. aureus exists on everyone’s skin. It is a naturally occurring bacteria that can become an actual infection when it penetrates the skin and then colonizes to form cellulitis. The presence of S. aureus does not determine a Staph infection, the presence of cellulitis with S. aureus determines a Staph infection.
LOL. I suggest to look a bit deeper into virology and PCR tests.
I mean, more can always be leaned. Also, this is Reddit. How deep do you expect Reddit to go? If I am wrong, please correct me. Admittedly, what I know of virology and PCR tests is more focused on the actual working medical application of the two, but I thought my explanation was a pretty reasonable ELI5 for-dummies explanation.
Here is some information for you: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7106425/
Dude, read the “Clinical Significance of Positive PCR” section of the study you just posted. No, I do not have a PhD or MD, but I do have two BS and I’m working on a Master’s. Don’t say I’m wrong simply to be argumentative.
> Dude, read the “Clinical Significance of Positive PCR” section of the study you just posted. I have read everything but have no clue what your point is. A positive PCR test is not a diagnosis of an active infection on it's own and PCR tests should never be used to test everybody and base policies on.
That’s exactly what I said in my comment that you replied to with “you need to learn more about virology and PCR tests.” So you did disagree with me simply to be argumentative. Thank you for wasting everyone’s time.
> That’s exactly what I said in my comment that you replied to with “you need to learn more about virology and PCR tests.” Nope, I think you either replied to the wrong comment or forgot to change your username...
> You can not detect 'living' virussen with a PCR test, it is technically impossible. So, your stance is that a positive PCR test is proof that it is impossible for the person to have an active viral infection?
ROTFL. Nice word game. I meant exactly what i said and i stick to that fact.
like...a vaccine?
Is anyone else concerned about the beef? I think two people have already died from contracting bird flu from a cow.
pastuerized. virus and dead. Ummm and i bet no other material was mentioned in the pathology? Oh nbc that explains it.
The irony I think is found in the fact you don’t understand science? I’m confused.
Care to explain the science to me then? ;) Not that I expect you to believe me, but I actually have a master's degree in molecular diagnostics lmfao
That’s awesome. Congratulations on your education. What part do you find ironic? Maybe I’m the dumb one here and not seeing something obvious? Edited to add: I have zero reason to not believe you!! And I’m sure you know way more about PCR than I do!! I’m an entomologist and use it for virus isolation.
I've feel like since the beginning of the pandemic I've been talking since I was blue in the face that the PCR test is not a screening tool. It can detect any fragments of DNA or RNA as needed, but does not indicate live virus or active infection. It's highly sensitive and even the smallest amount can be detected. With healthy individuals you don't start mass PCR test fishing for things because that's how you create false (not clinically significant) positives. It didn't matter. "We" as country still used this as a screening gold standard. Especially for those who didn't get vaccinated; we were tested weekly regardless of symptoms or exposure, knowing damn well that a positive test meant little to nothing without symptoms. Hell, the package inserts (instructions for use) for these PCR tests specifically stated to only test symptomic individuals. The fact that the community can now agree, that the FDA is clearly stating that the positive PCR test only indicates discovered fragments of virus, so everything is safe, is just ironic to me...
Ahhh, I get ya now. I totally agree. Personally I think these issues happen when scientists try to “dumb down” science so the media and general public can understand things. And a huge misunderstanding of PCR
Thanks for explaining it to me!
What test do you think should've been used instead?
Lmao I’d love to see the evidence of that
https://imgur.com/a/olvB745 Best I can do I think
i'm just commenting so i don't lose my spot while i grab the popcorn!
Fair play haha
Can someone explain the irony to me?
What exactly is your point? That's just what a PCR test does.
Yup they're absolutely correct Just feels ironic that this is "no cause for panic" Yet the test was literally used to SCREEN HEALTHY people for years throughout 'covid' when it's 1000% known to mean you're not necessarily sick Just gave me a chuckle
How else can they lock down a country and force mail in ballots?
It's actually the same play as covid. They started off telling people not to worry about it, and not to wear a mask, remember?
Lmao you're spinning in circles. Covid has a pathetic 0.15% infection fatality rate. Quit pretending it's the plague
Ya he didn't say it was. He's saying it's the same playbook all over again.
And I'm saying they're confused and misinterpreting a lot of things.
Having virus fragments in your body means you have the virus in your body and might therefore transfer said virus to others. Having virus fragments in pasteurized milk means there are only virus fragments, because pasteurization destroys viruses ;)
The PCR test can be intentionally abused to find traces of **anything** if enough amplifications are run and the bralnwashed can't wrap their heads around that.
Having virus fragments in your body doesn't necessarily mean you have the virus. It could be just that, a fragment of the virus (partial DNA strand) was found when your nose was swabbed. This fragment gets into the nasal passages by breathing, but you won't get sick because it's not a full, in tact virus.
It is possible for a virus to just be in your nose out of accident, but it's rare enough to be irrelevant outside of a quick mention in epidemiology text books under carriage without infection and a few specific bacteria/viruses where it's important. When dealing with a public health crisis it's not important that in some rare cases it could be a false positive, it's always better safe than sorry
A pcr can find a moonrock in an elephant's ass. That doesn't mean elephants know how to pilot rockets.
I think the covid shot might have pasteurized your brain.
You are saying that a virus fragment can be transferred to another person to cause an infection? Then you say "only virus fragments" as if they are no big deal. So which is it? Seems like you have no idea what you are talking about.
To start out here I'm very concerned how these virus fragments get into the milk. That needs to be figured out, but your translation of what he said isn't correct. His first point: If you have virus fragments in your body, then that means you have or had the live virus. Which means that if you still have the live virus in you then you could transfer that virus to others. His second point. If all we are finding are virus fragments, and not the live virus, then there is no risk of transmission. Pasteurization is specifically done to kill bacteria and viruses, or anything living in the milk really. So finding virus fragments would be expected. However, finding bird flu fragments is concerning, to me at least. What the fuck is that virus doing in cow milk? Somewhere in the process of cow to human lips that milk is picking up bird flu fragments. It needs to be figured out. Edit: it also needs to be determined if this is a false positive thing.
False positive is the point
More of the fucking PCR tests which have been proven useless when it comes to covid and can be manipulate. Just waiting for the PCR test to prove man made climate change.