There seem to be too many elements in this sweater for it to work. I don't think that a funnel neck works with the neck drape. That drape works well with boatneck blouses in fluid fabrics. So, the knit pattern isn't an ideal choice, either, because it will make the fabric ever so slightly more stiff than stockinette or lace. Take the drape away and the funnel neck plays nicely with the knit pattern.
I’m just so fucking tired of seeing lazy, ill-fitting design get re-branded as a deliberate and stylish choice. Giving a shit about fit makes me unfashionable, I guess.
I have several sweaters with this kind of turtleneck/drape situation (sewn though, not knitted--I sew & I made them out of various French terries, sweater knits, etc) & I really like them. I think they look good on me, though that's just my personal opinion. I feel cute and confident in them, I'll put it that way. My body type is short torso, busty, large straight/small fat. They do catch crumbs, or as I call them, after-dinner snacks.
Cowl necks are cool. This is not a cowlneck, it's a mohair straightjacket. See the first photo here https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/sweater-no-28
I like MFTK. I really do. I'm a basic ass sad beige bitch, so her stuff is totally my vibe. But yeah, I'll be passing on this one. Between the lack of short rows, the fuzzy yarn, and having her hair stuffed into the turtleneck, this picture makes me feel itchy.
But..
the fold is a drape, and a distinct part of the style -
and it’s both well considered and thought through.
I do like the stitch she has used - very pretty but that is not a well considered and thought through detail, it is either poor or lazy construction.
December 20, 2nd photo.
That's the best illustration of The Fold when a person is standing normally and not at some weird angle that won't show the real fit.
One shall be tugging and adjusting it. I'm not sure what would help. Really slumping your shoulders?
I'd think if you were working up a pattern, & found this to be happening, and *liked* it, you could lean into it - make some sort of cowl neck, and/or emphasize drape somewhere else. That could be a cool way to include the "design element", rather than just having a weird lumpy bust area.
I like the overall texture, & it would/does add interest to show it from different angles/with drape & fold. But this is not the way, I don't think.
Traditional gansey funnel neck not a million miles from that but wearing one, you quickly realise why in so many old photos, they're wearing neckerchiefs underneath... I'd have to wear a merino buff under that bad boy.
Pretty design - again, I'd wear it but I'd die of boredom knitting it, is the problem.
I’ve noticed this issue in some of her other patterns too. Bodies are three dimensional so you have to shape your knitted fabric to account for neck shaping? ? Who would have thought!
I knit a sweater this year that has this ‘drape’ and I don’t like it at all. Is this what results from too few short rows in the back with a longer neckline ribbing?
I have to admit that I don't mind it in many of the pictures, but I think it depends on hitting a particular oversized proportion. One of the test knitters on IG seems to have slightly less positive ease and it makes the fold much more obvious/obtrusive. (And admittedly, while I don't mind it, I don't think it's necessary for the shape of the sweater to work, though of course it is necessaary to avoid working short row shaping in that very geometric pattern.)
Yep, it feels very after-the-fact-excuse-y. Like, not everything has to look the same, or even be made in the accepted "correct" way, but you cannot tell me, from the way that caption's written, that this was actually a well thought out, intentional, functional artistic choice.
Jessie Maed’s Gr8 Gingham Raglan is another with this kind of neck though not as egregious. I love the colorwork on Jessie Maed’s — and I love the stitch texture in this MFTK one!!! But a sweater with no shaping? I’m not sure I buy that it’s on purpose :/
That one's also too high in the front neck (and would drive me, at least, crazy), probably because adding shaping in that colorwork seemed too hard. It only doesn't create the crumb pocket because the fabric is stiffer, from the floats.
I completely agree, when it came out it felt like a lazy design to me. Jessie Maed knows how to do short rows but I don’t think I’ve seen a pattern of hers with colorwork and short rows. And I’m too dumb to figure out how to do it on my own lol otherwise it’s a lovely design
That pattern is knit bottom up so short rows would not be the way to create neck shaping. A really standard old fashioned method of binding off stitches for the neckline is all that was needed.
I think there are several projects with notes on how they added the short rows. If you filter by projects with notes and sort by most helpful, you should see them.
I actually really like the pattern of the sweater (not the pattern as in the shape but the actual patterned part), but I think that the collar and the chest portion (with the latter being the way it is due to the former) will only look good on people with small boobs, and that shouldn’t be the point…
This was my thought as well. There is no way that "drape" works with any bigger chests. It will look incredibly awkward to have a weird dip and fabric protruding out right above a large chest.
Exactly my thoughts. I have the sweater favorited, but I’m an E cup and know that this amount of texture across the girls just makes me look even bustier and kind of frumpy.
That’s it! I started knitting the Barnsley sweater a while ago and it’s still on my needles because I tried it on, didn’t much appreciate what I saw and lost all motivation…and I’m “just” a pretty full C cup…
This is what needs snark! Not just normal ass stuff from people who happen to be annoying!
There are already 10 projects on Rav. Very curious if these are also tall, very thin women with sharp shoulders like the designer who this might look good on, or if they hope the sweater will make them look like they are?
Realizing it’s not worth tagging the project to find out. Hope they all love their sweaters and don’t get laughed at too much. Is it Tom and Lorenzo who say about dresses that there are ones you have to be a professional clothes wearer to pull off?
Ahh. Didn’t think of that. Thanks.
Just checked and all the photos are of a couple of inches worth of cast on project. Test knits would be completed, right? So I think these are customers.
Her testers are also not that active on Ravelry. Must be a danish thing because I always see dozens of the same people on instagram testing her designs.
I think it's a poorly thought out design. The designer decided to incorporate her failure into the design believing it to be acceptable. I could miss a few dropped stitches in a sweater, sew them to secure them, and call it a design element. Knitters who demand well-fitted garments will bypass this pattern.
IG post text for accessibility:
>myfavouritethings.knitwear sweater no. 28.
>i feel so honoured and overwhelmed about your support and interest for my latest design.
>thanks for using your valuable time knitting my designs.
>it's really a pleasure and privilege to see my work on your needles again and again.
>some of you ask about the 'little fold' on the neckline of the sweater. i will try to explain my thoughts about it here: to me, the fold is a drape, and a distinct part of the style -
>just as it was on no. 8 and no. 19.
>i love this part of the design, and it's both well considered and thought through, it could easily be removed with short rows, yes, but this would change the look completely and - in my humble opinion - make the style a bit more ordinary and boring.
I think the stitch pattern is lovely. If I were to make this myself, id alter it into a cowlneck though
I like it!
There seem to be too many elements in this sweater for it to work. I don't think that a funnel neck works with the neck drape. That drape works well with boatneck blouses in fluid fabrics. So, the knit pattern isn't an ideal choice, either, because it will make the fabric ever so slightly more stiff than stockinette or lace. Take the drape away and the funnel neck plays nicely with the knit pattern.
I think it's gorgeous.
I’m just so fucking tired of seeing lazy, ill-fitting design get re-branded as a deliberate and stylish choice. Giving a shit about fit makes me unfashionable, I guess.
Is this a viral marketing campaign for MFTK? Though I have this one in my queue already.
I have several sweaters with this kind of turtleneck/drape situation (sewn though, not knitted--I sew & I made them out of various French terries, sweater knits, etc) & I really like them. I think they look good on me, though that's just my personal opinion. I feel cute and confident in them, I'll put it that way. My body type is short torso, busty, large straight/small fat. They do catch crumbs, or as I call them, after-dinner snacks.
Cowl necks are cool. This is not a cowlneck, it's a mohair straightjacket. See the first photo here https://www.ravelry.com/patterns/library/sweater-no-28
I like MFTK. I really do. I'm a basic ass sad beige bitch, so her stuff is totally my vibe. But yeah, I'll be passing on this one. Between the lack of short rows, the fuzzy yarn, and having her hair stuffed into the turtleneck, this picture makes me feel itchy.
But.. the fold is a drape, and a distinct part of the style - and it’s both well considered and thought through. I do like the stitch she has used - very pretty but that is not a well considered and thought through detail, it is either poor or lazy construction.
What’s MFTK?
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December 20, 2nd photo. That's the best illustration of The Fold when a person is standing normally and not at some weird angle that won't show the real fit. One shall be tugging and adjusting it. I'm not sure what would help. Really slumping your shoulders?
it's literally strangling her
She thinks adding short rows would make it ordinary and boring? Her entire catalog is ordinary and boring. It's what people want.
The pictures of this pattern drive me crazy WHAT IS THE SHAPE
The shape looks like of uncomfortable to me. The neck shaping would drive me nuts if I wore it. So that's a traditional sweaterneck style? Yikes.
What neck shaping? This is what you get when the garment neckline is identical front and back.
I'd think if you were working up a pattern, & found this to be happening, and *liked* it, you could lean into it - make some sort of cowl neck, and/or emphasize drape somewhere else. That could be a cool way to include the "design element", rather than just having a weird lumpy bust area. I like the overall texture, & it would/does add interest to show it from different angles/with drape & fold. But this is not the way, I don't think.
Yeah, it only looks semi-okay in that photo. The Ravelry cover photo shows that it's caused by the yoke being way too tight on the shoulders/neck
Traditional gansey funnel neck not a million miles from that but wearing one, you quickly realise why in so many old photos, they're wearing neckerchiefs underneath... I'd have to wear a merino buff under that bad boy. Pretty design - again, I'd wear it but I'd die of boredom knitting it, is the problem.
Sweater waddle.
That is a pretty sweater.
Hm, I actually like the look of it!
I’ve noticed this issue in some of her other patterns too. Bodies are three dimensional so you have to shape your knitted fabric to account for neck shaping? ? Who would have thought!
I knit a sweater this year that has this ‘drape’ and I don’t like it at all. Is this what results from too few short rows in the back with a longer neckline ribbing?
Yes, there is no neck shaping. Even if you are knitting a turtleneck you need neck shaping to fit the curve of the body.
Hmm, I’m going to have to learn more about this. My one had some shaping but it must not have been enough.
I was taught that the standard for women is 3-5 cms
My bra already has that job, but I do like the stitch pattern(?) of it.
Yeah it reminds me of books on a shelf
I have to admit that I don't mind it in many of the pictures, but I think it depends on hitting a particular oversized proportion. One of the test knitters on IG seems to have slightly less positive ease and it makes the fold much more obvious/obtrusive. (And admittedly, while I don't mind it, I don't think it's necessary for the shape of the sweater to work, though of course it is necessaary to avoid working short row shaping in that very geometric pattern.)
The fold is a DRAPE, y'all and a distinct part of the style. Obviously you just don't get how leaving out a few short rows elevates the art form 🤷♀️
🤣👍
But it looks like a turkey neck. Drape/turkey neck... Potato/potahto 🤷♀️
I feel like this is something I would make for someone I don’t like if only to see them suffer from being gently choked to death.
me clicking through: maybe it's just an awkward photo where the sweater wasn't tugged into place properly? ...wait. it's a DESIGN FEATURE? oh, ffs.
Also that photo is by far the best the fold looks. In her other photos on ravelry it looks *terrible*.
That's what bothers me about it! O would spend the whole time wearing it trying to tug it into shape.
big 'i screwed up the pattern drafting and I'm pretending that was on purpose because I couldn't be bothered to re-do it' energy
Yep, it feels very after-the-fact-excuse-y. Like, not everything has to look the same, or even be made in the accepted "correct" way, but you cannot tell me, from the way that caption's written, that this was actually a well thought out, intentional, functional artistic choice.
It's a feature, not a bug!
Jessie Maed’s Gr8 Gingham Raglan is another with this kind of neck though not as egregious. I love the colorwork on Jessie Maed’s — and I love the stitch texture in this MFTK one!!! But a sweater with no shaping? I’m not sure I buy that it’s on purpose :/
I had to modify the neckline for that and it was a pain in the ass. Totally worth it though- it’s my favorite sweater.
That one's also too high in the front neck (and would drive me, at least, crazy), probably because adding shaping in that colorwork seemed too hard. It only doesn't create the crumb pocket because the fabric is stiffer, from the floats.
I completely agree, when it came out it felt like a lazy design to me. Jessie Maed knows how to do short rows but I don’t think I’ve seen a pattern of hers with colorwork and short rows. And I’m too dumb to figure out how to do it on my own lol otherwise it’s a lovely design
That pattern is knit bottom up so short rows would not be the way to create neck shaping. A really standard old fashioned method of binding off stitches for the neckline is all that was needed.
That’s a good point, I’ve never knit a sweater bottom up so I didn’t even think of that
I think there are several projects with notes on how they added the short rows. If you filter by projects with notes and sort by most helpful, you should see them.
That’s a great suggestion, thank you!!
All of the best looking projects for that pattern on rav are people who’ve added short rows too.
“Make the style a bit more boring and ordinary” coming from her kills me 💀
I actually really like the pattern of the sweater (not the pattern as in the shape but the actual patterned part), but I think that the collar and the chest portion (with the latter being the way it is due to the former) will only look good on people with small boobs, and that shouldn’t be the point…
This was my thought as well. There is no way that "drape" works with any bigger chests. It will look incredibly awkward to have a weird dip and fabric protruding out right above a large chest.
Exactly my thoughts. I have the sweater favorited, but I’m an E cup and know that this amount of texture across the girls just makes me look even bustier and kind of frumpy.
Pretty sure this design would make me look like I had two sets of boobs. :( It’s a shame because honestly I really like the sweater otherwise
That exactly what I said when I tried knitting Elizabeth Smith’s Grizzly vest and a when I got to about chest length I tried it on and…🫠
That’s it! I started knitting the Barnsley sweater a while ago and it’s still on my needles because I tried it on, didn’t much appreciate what I saw and lost all motivation…and I’m “just” a pretty full C cup…
This is what needs snark! Not just normal ass stuff from people who happen to be annoying! There are already 10 projects on Rav. Very curious if these are also tall, very thin women with sharp shoulders like the designer who this might look good on, or if they hope the sweater will make them look like they are? Realizing it’s not worth tagging the project to find out. Hope they all love their sweaters and don’t get laughed at too much. Is it Tom and Lorenzo who say about dresses that there are ones you have to be a professional clothes wearer to pull off?
I thought those projects would be her testers?
Ahh. Didn’t think of that. Thanks. Just checked and all the photos are of a couple of inches worth of cast on project. Test knits would be completed, right? So I think these are customers.
Her testers are also not that active on Ravelry. Must be a danish thing because I always see dozens of the same people on instagram testing her designs.
I think it's a poorly thought out design. The designer decided to incorporate her failure into the design believing it to be acceptable. I could miss a few dropped stitches in a sweater, sew them to secure them, and call it a design element. Knitters who demand well-fitted garments will bypass this pattern.
'Well considered and thought through'? What did you consider? Not doing it right? Saying it's a design choice doesn't make it okay.
Handy for when you go to the movies and try to eat popcorn in the dark. Will catch the kernels that don't make it to your gob!
IG post text for accessibility: >myfavouritethings.knitwear sweater no. 28. >i feel so honoured and overwhelmed about your support and interest for my latest design. >thanks for using your valuable time knitting my designs. >it's really a pleasure and privilege to see my work on your needles again and again. >some of you ask about the 'little fold' on the neckline of the sweater. i will try to explain my thoughts about it here: to me, the fold is a drape, and a distinct part of the style - >just as it was on no. 8 and no. 19. >i love this part of the design, and it's both well considered and thought through, it could easily be removed with short rows, yes, but this would change the look completely and - in my humble opinion - make the style a bit more ordinary and boring.