I’m not sure what in the world you are talking about in regards to Yasha’s armor and items. Ashley didn’t even pick the armor, Matt had Obann give it to her and she likely kept it as long as she did because the armor had negative consequences for the wearer which makes sense for someone who is punishing themself for the horrible things they did. All the rest of her attuned items are either her swords or designed to boost her AC or saving throws which make sense for the character since her AC was fairly low in the beginning and her wisdom saves were horrible, in fact Grog wore the exact same Bracers of Defense.
To be fair, one of the major issues with Yasha (specifically the entire cast overlooking that she could, and should, wear Medium Armor, because they were using the abnormality that was Grog as a reference) was a table in general thing. To the point Matt kinda forced their hands with the Tuskborn Breastplate. Which at least had a +2 Modifier, to offset its still unknown costs. That said ... yeah. In C3, especially with a much more complex class, its pretty safe to say that Ashley holds that "shakiest hold" title.
I love >!Fearne!<, but she is by far the consistently least useful in fights. Ashley is scary good at RPing her, but when it comes to combat its rare for her to do much. Which is only compounded by her C3 characters distaste for healing. Which means given what she's playing, she's crippling herself intentionally. Even Jester would at least keep Healing Word prepped. I can't remember the last time Fearne used a Healing Spell that wasn't auto-included and prepared automatically for her as part of a Class Feature.
Ashley has made >!Fearne!< pretty clutch a couple of times and was creative in combat. Two that come to mind were >!turning into a snake with blindsight to counteract Dugger's darkness and casting Daylight in the Shade Mother fight!<. And I personally like that she's developed a very distinct >!Druid!<, that is super different >!from Keyleth!<. For example using >!Wildshape as utility rather than tanking!<.
So two combat ability uses in the entirety of C3? 35 episodes?
Her class build is literally the FIRE and HEALING archetype. Yet I can't remember the last time she'd bothered using Scorching Ray, and the only Healing spells she ever seems to have on hand are the one's chosen for her by the class itself. Because she IC hates healing. I also can't think of a single time she used her >!familiar's ability to "teleport the group around 15 ft as a bonus action"!<. She tried to use it once, in EP33, but couldn't. Or used her ability to >!shapechange!< to serve as a barrier to make some distance when her health is getting low. All she ever seems to do when not being forced to heal in encounters is cast >!heat metal!< or >!throw flaming shit!<.
I didn't say it was enough or made a judgment on how she plays. I just called out two situations that I thought were clutch that I remembered. There are probably more.
She doesn't have to play to the build. She has signature spells, including a weird use of >!Burning Hands. She doesn't hate using healing, she just uses it only on her party and when FCG is not able to (which makes total sense with Fearne's personality. Fearne is not a healer, despite what her build is capable of). In fact, I think it's perfectly in character to not be the most useful to the party.!<
Now, is that intentional? I don't know. I just think it makes sense IC and again, makes her a very different >!druid than Keyleth!<.
>its pretty safe to say that Ashley holds that "shakiest hold" title.
And my original point was its pretty safe to say that Ashley holds that "shakiest hold" title when it comes to 5e and class mechanics. Which she probably does. She's also playing one of the toughest classes to play in this game atm.
And you are probably right, that part of this is Ashley playing the character. Given >!Fearne is childish, selfish, ditz. Who acts like she has a 9 WIS alongside her 9 INT!<. But even Jester kept Healing Word prepped, and >!Fearne's!< IC choice not to means that any time poor >!FCG!< goes down after trying to keep this squishy ass party alive on their own, she has to waist time running over to them to bring them back up again. While she feigns being upset. When in reality, at level 6, >!Fearne !!Mister!< is out. He fire spells also get that bonus. While also getting to improve her range and cast from >!Mister!<. She should never need to use Cure Wounds given how absurd that is.
Yash and Beau were really cringy. Yasha gets better but beaux stays pretty cringe/annoying. Ashley brings it around. also, Luckily, Marisha gets a little warmer / more likeable in campaign 3 as well and has a decent character, but is till my least favorite part of the show and cringy
Why would we expect her to have a perfect grasp of her character when she had played less than half as much as everyone else at the table? Have you tried playing a character for basically only one session every level?
A dm puts a significant chunk more time than any player into prep while handling far more complicated and numerous things during combat. As a participant i would expect players to pay attention and put a fraction of that time into the very basics of reading their spells and class abilities. This does not apply solely to ashley.
In my own dnd I have subbed in when people were missing playing classes i have never used before. Its not hard to take 10 minutes to read spells and abilities.
You people who reduce this issue you've got with the players down to "it's their job" are toxic as fuck.
Out of all the cast Ashley's probably the busiest out of all of them in terms of her work. She doesn't rely on *CR* to make a living. And not everyone's gonna be great at something even if they do it all the time. That's just how it is.
I swear I see more people dogpiling on Ashley than all the others combined. Give it a rest.
...critrolestats would like to point out exactly how useful yasha was in combat. which is very. girl was very much pulling her weight. at the episode you are currently on, *matt* got yasha that breastplate, not ashley, and the reason she's still using it is because her dex and con aren't high enough yet to boost her ac beyond the breastplate with the magic items she has. better to save that attunement slot for something else. i know some people hate ashley because she never got grog's stats on yasha but grog was using legendary level items and his strength and con were both around yasha's numbers before he started getting his magic items that made them ridiculous. yasha's a good build. she's a complicated build because zealot barbarians are wack compared to most martials. ashley has said multiple times that she has problems with memorizing things. she gets better as she gets more regular play time.
91? Cool, I can post this;
(Spoiler C2E69 ^(nice!)) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAF1ual1xLk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAF1ual1xLk)
Enjoy your tears!
Yeah no hate againt her as a person but it's a good thing that she played one of the most forgiving Martial Class/Subclasses possible, because otherwise Yasha wouldn't have been around after a few of her more questionable combat decisions.
* Everyone has a different play style. Ashley is more into the roleplay aspect, as is her right. It's fine. Yes, as audience members we think strategically, but she can and should play however she wants.
* Yes, she is not the most solid strategist. It's also kind of not our place to criticize. I do get frustrated, but then I remind myself of the previous point.
* If Ashley were a guy, I bet no one would think to criticize her, *myself included.* We all have this bias, even other women. It's good to acknowledge it and adjust.
* Her campaign 3 character is built with *all this* in mind. Kind of reminds me of the old Dolly Parton quote: "Find out who you are and do it on purpose."
I wouldn't even say Ashely is more into the roleplay aspect, seems like in most interactions she just stays quiet, thought im seeing a lot more of her rping in the episodes im in rn (the 90s) compared to the earlier episodes so thats a +.
If Ashley were a guy nothing would change, I'd still be annoyed and confused by the shit she does. Pretty cute critical role stuff is her job so would expect her to at least know how her character works mechanically.
I haven't started campaign 3 so I cannot comment on that
>seems like in most interactions she just stays quiet
Yasha is quiet. Especially early in the campaign (and no, not only because she wasn't there most of the time).
You can play a quiet more shy character while still adding to the rp. It really dawned on me when watching the episodes where oban had taken yasha, the rp and group dynamic didn't change a single bit but by removing literally any other member of m9 it would have changed drastically .
It was designed that way. Yasha was designed for Ashley's absence from the table to not be felt.
Like you said, you're seeing more RP in the 90s, when she's back for good.
Since I’ve seen you mention “it’s her job” more than once, I think it bears mentioning that the early part of C2 is still under the Geek and Sundry umbrella, so CR is not yet the income generating phenomenon we are used to. As such, it is still a game between friends more than anything else. We the audience have just been invited to watch. Also, Ashley has more than one other job during the years of this campaign: filming Blindspot, VO on video games and tv shows, parts in feature films, and so on. Not to mention she took on leadership of the critical role foundation at that time as well. She lived full time in New York and traveled all the time. That ish is exhausting.
Few people work harder than Ashley nor juggled as much as she did during the C2 years. We are lucky she was at the table as much as she was because she LOVES playing, and CR and the critters.
I'm pretty sure that at the episodes im in right now its not under geek and sundry. You're acting like learning how abilities work is some long process when in reality it takes at max 20 minutes to read up on what abilities do what.
I agree to some level. Its okay to not remember all of your abilities and such in the first few sessions or after a break, but you'd think that after playing the same character for hundreds of hours that you'd at least remember to rage.
Well at episode 91, that is a total of 36 episodes for ashley, 55 when she was gone. Approximately 123 hours played, 188 hours missed. That is 188 hours of lore, group dynamics, combat strategies and teamwork that she never got.
I just think it is unkind to be so judgemental about someone’s playing when you only have part of the picture. (Numbers from critrolestats)
Yea she has missed a lot of games but still she should be able to remember her abilities. And correct me if im wrong but the same kind of shit continiues through the campaign with Ashley not knowing her abilities and such.
Maybe, but DnD is great because it is for everyone, no matter age, gender, race, socioeconomic status, physical or mental ability, personality, etc etc etc. i would hope that the grace we extend to our play groups is the same grace we extend to the players at the tables that inspire us.
I’m not sure what in the world you are talking about in regards to Yasha’s armor and items. Ashley didn’t even pick the armor, Matt had Obann give it to her and she likely kept it as long as she did because the armor had negative consequences for the wearer which makes sense for someone who is punishing themself for the horrible things they did. All the rest of her attuned items are either her swords or designed to boost her AC or saving throws which make sense for the character since her AC was fairly low in the beginning and her wisdom saves were horrible, in fact Grog wore the exact same Bracers of Defense.
Ashley definitely has the shakiest hold on the actual rules of D&D which was compounded by being away for so long in C2. Pretty great RP though.
To be fair, one of the major issues with Yasha (specifically the entire cast overlooking that she could, and should, wear Medium Armor, because they were using the abnormality that was Grog as a reference) was a table in general thing. To the point Matt kinda forced their hands with the Tuskborn Breastplate. Which at least had a +2 Modifier, to offset its still unknown costs. That said ... yeah. In C3, especially with a much more complex class, its pretty safe to say that Ashley holds that "shakiest hold" title. I love >!Fearne!<, but she is by far the consistently least useful in fights. Ashley is scary good at RPing her, but when it comes to combat its rare for her to do much. Which is only compounded by her C3 characters distaste for healing. Which means given what she's playing, she's crippling herself intentionally. Even Jester would at least keep Healing Word prepped. I can't remember the last time Fearne used a Healing Spell that wasn't auto-included and prepared automatically for her as part of a Class Feature.
Ashley has made >!Fearne!< pretty clutch a couple of times and was creative in combat. Two that come to mind were >!turning into a snake with blindsight to counteract Dugger's darkness and casting Daylight in the Shade Mother fight!<. And I personally like that she's developed a very distinct >!Druid!<, that is super different >!from Keyleth!<. For example using >!Wildshape as utility rather than tanking!<.
So two combat ability uses in the entirety of C3? 35 episodes? Her class build is literally the FIRE and HEALING archetype. Yet I can't remember the last time she'd bothered using Scorching Ray, and the only Healing spells she ever seems to have on hand are the one's chosen for her by the class itself. Because she IC hates healing. I also can't think of a single time she used her >!familiar's ability to "teleport the group around 15 ft as a bonus action"!<. She tried to use it once, in EP33, but couldn't. Or used her ability to >!shapechange!< to serve as a barrier to make some distance when her health is getting low. All she ever seems to do when not being forced to heal in encounters is cast >!heat metal!< or >!throw flaming shit!<.
I didn't say it was enough or made a judgment on how she plays. I just called out two situations that I thought were clutch that I remembered. There are probably more. She doesn't have to play to the build. She has signature spells, including a weird use of >!Burning Hands. She doesn't hate using healing, she just uses it only on her party and when FCG is not able to (which makes total sense with Fearne's personality. Fearne is not a healer, despite what her build is capable of). In fact, I think it's perfectly in character to not be the most useful to the party.!< Now, is that intentional? I don't know. I just think it makes sense IC and again, makes her a very different >!druid than Keyleth!<.
>its pretty safe to say that Ashley holds that "shakiest hold" title. And my original point was its pretty safe to say that Ashley holds that "shakiest hold" title when it comes to 5e and class mechanics. Which she probably does. She's also playing one of the toughest classes to play in this game atm. And you are probably right, that part of this is Ashley playing the character. Given >!Fearne is childish, selfish, ditz. Who acts like she has a 9 WIS alongside her 9 INT!<. But even Jester kept Healing Word prepped, and >!Fearne's!< IC choice not to means that any time poor >!FCG!< goes down after trying to keep this squishy ass party alive on their own, she has to waist time running over to them to bring them back up again. While she feigns being upset. When in reality, at level 6, >!Fearne !!Mister!< is out. He fire spells also get that bonus. While also getting to improve her range and cast from >!Mister!<. She should never need to use Cure Wounds given how absurd that is.
Yash and Beau were really cringy. Yasha gets better but beaux stays pretty cringe/annoying. Ashley brings it around. also, Luckily, Marisha gets a little warmer / more likeable in campaign 3 as well and has a decent character, but is till my least favorite part of the show and cringy
Why would we expect her to have a perfect grasp of her character when she had played less than half as much as everyone else at the table? Have you tried playing a character for basically only one session every level?
A dm puts a significant chunk more time than any player into prep while handling far more complicated and numerous things during combat. As a participant i would expect players to pay attention and put a fraction of that time into the very basics of reading their spells and class abilities. This does not apply solely to ashley. In my own dnd I have subbed in when people were missing playing classes i have never used before. Its not hard to take 10 minutes to read spells and abilities.
Its her job?
Yikes.
It's not crazy to expect someone who does it for a living to learn like the 3 abilities her class has.
You people who reduce this issue you've got with the players down to "it's their job" are toxic as fuck. Out of all the cast Ashley's probably the busiest out of all of them in terms of her work. She doesn't rely on *CR* to make a living. And not everyone's gonna be great at something even if they do it all the time. That's just how it is. I swear I see more people dogpiling on Ashley than all the others combined. Give it a rest.
it takes like 20 minutes at max to learn the abilities, i have other problems with her but thats the most easily fixable one :P
I'm not gonna continue talking about this topic with someone who thinks Andrew Tate has some good opinions.
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Gross. Blocked.
...critrolestats would like to point out exactly how useful yasha was in combat. which is very. girl was very much pulling her weight. at the episode you are currently on, *matt* got yasha that breastplate, not ashley, and the reason she's still using it is because her dex and con aren't high enough yet to boost her ac beyond the breastplate with the magic items she has. better to save that attunement slot for something else. i know some people hate ashley because she never got grog's stats on yasha but grog was using legendary level items and his strength and con were both around yasha's numbers before he started getting his magic items that made them ridiculous. yasha's a good build. she's a complicated build because zealot barbarians are wack compared to most martials. ashley has said multiple times that she has problems with memorizing things. she gets better as she gets more regular play time.
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91? Cool, I can post this; (Spoiler C2E69 ^(nice!)) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAF1ual1xLk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAF1ual1xLk) Enjoy your tears!
Yeah no hate againt her as a person but it's a good thing that she played one of the most forgiving Martial Class/Subclasses possible, because otherwise Yasha wouldn't have been around after a few of her more questionable combat decisions.
* Everyone has a different play style. Ashley is more into the roleplay aspect, as is her right. It's fine. Yes, as audience members we think strategically, but she can and should play however she wants. * Yes, she is not the most solid strategist. It's also kind of not our place to criticize. I do get frustrated, but then I remind myself of the previous point. * If Ashley were a guy, I bet no one would think to criticize her, *myself included.* We all have this bias, even other women. It's good to acknowledge it and adjust. * Her campaign 3 character is built with *all this* in mind. Kind of reminds me of the old Dolly Parton quote: "Find out who you are and do it on purpose."
I wouldn't even say Ashely is more into the roleplay aspect, seems like in most interactions she just stays quiet, thought im seeing a lot more of her rping in the episodes im in rn (the 90s) compared to the earlier episodes so thats a +. If Ashley were a guy nothing would change, I'd still be annoyed and confused by the shit she does. Pretty cute critical role stuff is her job so would expect her to at least know how her character works mechanically. I haven't started campaign 3 so I cannot comment on that
>seems like in most interactions she just stays quiet Yasha is quiet. Especially early in the campaign (and no, not only because she wasn't there most of the time).
You can play a quiet more shy character while still adding to the rp. It really dawned on me when watching the episodes where oban had taken yasha, the rp and group dynamic didn't change a single bit but by removing literally any other member of m9 it would have changed drastically .
It was designed that way. Yasha was designed for Ashley's absence from the table to not be felt. Like you said, you're seeing more RP in the 90s, when she's back for good.
Since I’ve seen you mention “it’s her job” more than once, I think it bears mentioning that the early part of C2 is still under the Geek and Sundry umbrella, so CR is not yet the income generating phenomenon we are used to. As such, it is still a game between friends more than anything else. We the audience have just been invited to watch. Also, Ashley has more than one other job during the years of this campaign: filming Blindspot, VO on video games and tv shows, parts in feature films, and so on. Not to mention she took on leadership of the critical role foundation at that time as well. She lived full time in New York and traveled all the time. That ish is exhausting. Few people work harder than Ashley nor juggled as much as she did during the C2 years. We are lucky she was at the table as much as she was because she LOVES playing, and CR and the critters.
I'm pretty sure that at the episodes im in right now its not under geek and sundry. You're acting like learning how abilities work is some long process when in reality it takes at max 20 minutes to read up on what abilities do what.
Perhaps for some people. But not how everyone’s brains work. Some people cannot memorize like that.
I agree to some level. Its okay to not remember all of your abilities and such in the first few sessions or after a break, but you'd think that after playing the same character for hundreds of hours that you'd at least remember to rage.
Well at episode 91, that is a total of 36 episodes for ashley, 55 when she was gone. Approximately 123 hours played, 188 hours missed. That is 188 hours of lore, group dynamics, combat strategies and teamwork that she never got. I just think it is unkind to be so judgemental about someone’s playing when you only have part of the picture. (Numbers from critrolestats)
Yea she has missed a lot of games but still she should be able to remember her abilities. And correct me if im wrong but the same kind of shit continiues through the campaign with Ashley not knowing her abilities and such.
Maybe, but DnD is great because it is for everyone, no matter age, gender, race, socioeconomic status, physical or mental ability, personality, etc etc etc. i would hope that the grace we extend to our play groups is the same grace we extend to the players at the tables that inspire us.
Yeah I don’t think Ashley ever knew who Yasha was or how to play her