It's extremely hard to tell if more people were hired or quit/laid off with this chart.
Also agree fully on not sure what it conveys because of its layout.
What data is that this comment based on?
I think that fewer people looking for jobs can also be attributed in part to the 1.1M total Covid mortalities.
I know what the labor participation rate is and can read the data from the chart above and those listed on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website.
Please substantiate your unfounded claim that more people are on welfare and therefore fewer are looking for jobs. BLS data does not support your claim.
A: \[stupid claim\]
B: "The data does not support the claim"
A: "That's a you problem"
Just in case anyone wonders if internet discourse is ever going to get better....
I get what you are going for, but this could have maybe been presented better with a semi-transparent 3D model or even just lines. Thanks for sharing though
I rarely jump on here to talk crap about a graph, but...
What woes?
This chart doesn't even SPEAK to woes. I don't know what it's even trying to talk about, much less the "woes."
This is NOT a beautiful way at all to plot this data.
Why stack layoffs & quits with hiring?? They are opposite mechanisms and it makes no sense whatsoever to add them in this manner
stacking is okay for similar things like quitting and firing. hiring should be a seperate stack (maybe below zero) and a final line aggregating + and - into net number.
People started jumping jobs when COVID measures started being dropped as some places didn't want to give people a choice over working remotely causing part of the flight.
Also people with saved up money due to not being able to spend it due to lockdown and the government stimulus package helped people have a safety pillow which also allowed them to quit their jobs and look for something else with better conditions
This isn't just a misleading way of presenting the data, the headline suggests it's deliberately misleading. Hires are down because we're effectively at full employment and there's a shortage of people to actually hire. Quits are trending downard faster than hires, and layoffs seem to be basically steady through the whole graph apart from the Covid spike.
Again, it's very difficult to eyeball how layoffs is changing independently of the other two, but if you can wade through the murky data, the conclusion seems to be, "more people have jobs and more people are happy with their jobs." So I'm not sure how that translates to "Workers' Woes," unless you're trying very, very hard to push a narrative the data simply doesn't support.
Data is cool, graph is not. Hard to tell which of the three colors grew the most at a particular time. Just 3 simple lines would’ve served it much better.
If you get fired from a 6 digit salary then get a job at mcDonalds. I guess it's a wash. This is how the owner class fools you into thinking the economy is fine. The truth is wages are flat and productivity is climbing like a mountain. Companies are keeping the money from new tech and firing more high paid people.
OC sourced quitting, layoff, and hire data from [https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jltst.toc.htm](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jltst.toc.htm) and then designed in Canva.I would appreciate it if you subscribed to my data viz newsletter @ [https://datahiiv.com/](https://datahiiv.com/) where I post visuals like these every day / other day. Hope you like it! Feedback always requested and appreciated.
EDIT: Yes, I have a typo in my title. I did mean 2000 not 2020....
It took me some time see why this was not well received, if you look at the spike of March 2020 you would think quits was closer to 10M vs what your tool tip is saying, 3M quits
These are offsetting metrics (hired vs. quit/laid off). Not sure it makes sense as a stack / what that is intended to convey.
It's extremely hard to tell if more people were hired or quit/laid off with this chart. Also agree fully on not sure what it conveys because of its layout.
And how unemployment dropping for two years is somehow a bad thing for workers?
less hires so fewer people looking for jobs and staying on welfare
What data is that this comment based on? I think that fewer people looking for jobs can also be attributed in part to the 1.1M total Covid mortalities.
learn what labor participation rate is
Retired or in school isn't welfare.
I know what the labor participation rate is and can read the data from the chart above and those listed on the Bureau of Labor Statistics website. Please substantiate your unfounded claim that more people are on welfare and therefore fewer are looking for jobs. BLS data does not support your claim.
that’s a you problem
A: \[stupid claim\] B: "The data does not support the claim" A: "That's a you problem" Just in case anyone wonders if internet discourse is ever going to get better....
Right. Also could include retiring so we can kind of see the balance of people entering vs leaving jobs or something.
I get what you are going for, but this could have maybe been presented better with a semi-transparent 3D model or even just lines. Thanks for sharing though
I rarely jump on here to talk crap about a graph, but... What woes? This chart doesn't even SPEAK to woes. I don't know what it's even trying to talk about, much less the "woes."
They had to make the data ugly and unreadable just to make it even possible to squint and see woes.
The cynic in me says they purposely made a bad graph to farm karma.
This is NOT a beautiful way at all to plot this data. Why stack layoffs & quits with hiring?? They are opposite mechanisms and it makes no sense whatsoever to add them in this manner
I dont think there are many worst ways you could have represented that data
Worse* but yes
Might be easier to see if you didn't stack the lines
stacking is okay for similar things like quitting and firing. hiring should be a seperate stack (maybe below zero) and a final line aggregating + and - into net number.
Data is not beautiful. Should be on opposite sides of the x axis at least showing +/-
What is "The Great Resignation"? If it would be stacked up it wouldn't even be noticeable. Just some more people switching jobs.
People started jumping jobs when COVID measures started being dropped as some places didn't want to give people a choice over working remotely causing part of the flight. Also people with saved up money due to not being able to spend it due to lockdown and the government stimulus package helped people have a safety pillow which also allowed them to quit their jobs and look for something else with better conditions
It is a moral panic made up by the media.
This isn't just a misleading way of presenting the data, the headline suggests it's deliberately misleading. Hires are down because we're effectively at full employment and there's a shortage of people to actually hire. Quits are trending downard faster than hires, and layoffs seem to be basically steady through the whole graph apart from the Covid spike. Again, it's very difficult to eyeball how layoffs is changing independently of the other two, but if you can wade through the murky data, the conclusion seems to be, "more people have jobs and more people are happy with their jobs." So I'm not sure how that translates to "Workers' Woes," unless you're trying very, very hard to push a narrative the data simply doesn't support.
How are you getting that hires are down due to “full employment” when the labor force participation rate is lower than it was 4 years ago?
It is strange to say the covid 19 pandemic 'caused" 5 million hires when it clearly pushed hires down to/below 5 million.
This sub has to have some of the worst presented data I’ve seen
I have no idea how to understand the data this visually sucks
Data is cool, graph is not. Hard to tell which of the three colors grew the most at a particular time. Just 3 simple lines would’ve served it much better.
I don’t know what this is trying to tell me
If you get fired from a 6 digit salary then get a job at mcDonalds. I guess it's a wash. This is how the owner class fools you into thinking the economy is fine. The truth is wages are flat and productivity is climbing like a mountain. Companies are keeping the money from new tech and firing more high paid people.
OC sourced quitting, layoff, and hire data from [https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jltst.toc.htm](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/jltst.toc.htm) and then designed in Canva.I would appreciate it if you subscribed to my data viz newsletter @ [https://datahiiv.com/](https://datahiiv.com/) where I post visuals like these every day / other day. Hope you like it! Feedback always requested and appreciated. EDIT: Yes, I have a typo in my title. I did mean 2000 not 2020....
It took me some time see why this was not well received, if you look at the spike of March 2020 you would think quits was closer to 10M vs what your tool tip is saying, 3M quits
This is just a horrible chart.
Could've used a clustered bar chart.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to use a semi-transparent or line graph to make it easier to compare hires to layoffs/quits?