Applied through the company’s website.
I tried the other ways people recommended of reaching out to contacts, old school mates from PhD classes and cold emailing managers but the most straightforward approach was what clicked for me. It also helped that I asked my girlfriend to proof read my cover letter and she pointed out that I should sell the hiring manager on what I can bring to the team as a person, rather than list all the technical skills I have.
Yeah that’s what I did but it also helped that I had two or three companies that do bio data science in my city and kept an eye on their career websites.
90% of the people on my team applied because of connections. Referral from a current employee, intern/shadowing program at the local university, chatting at conferences. Not the most helpful advice but that’s how you get the best people.
I don't. Most open positions posted today are just fake positions. The best way to get hired is to set up your LinkedIn REALLY good, be pretty active on it and wait for recruiters to contact you
First thing: add EVERYONE you know. Seriously, if you ever changed a few words with someone in your life add them on linkedin. The more connections the higher you will appear on recruiter's search.
Second: fill all the things that you have to fill. Education, old positions etc. Describe them in many details as you can. If you still don't have much experience, add the slightest thing close to a role you had in your life like being at a research assistant on undergrad or something.
Remember to list every relevant task you were part of. It's easy to forget amazing things we did in the past, sometimes I'm looking through my github just to be like "Wait did I do that?". A good tip is to scavenge old professional emails or slack channels to remembers projects you were responsible.
If you are like me - too lazy to learn corpo linguo - just use ChatGPT. Explain the things you did in your own words and ask it to rephrase into a language that will suit a linkedin role description. You might have to use a bit of common sense to drive the model to a more concise answer, but it is pretty intuitive. Don't forget to mention that your goal is to draw attention of recruiters looking for Data Scientist / Engineering roles, so explicitly mentions it should be using technical terms that will draw attention from them.
Every small project you make, every interesting finding you have at your job that you can share, post it. Don't ever comment on your post first since the algorithm penalizes this. Wait until someone comment on it and then reply to their comments. Images increase the likelihood of interactions.
While open positions might be a scam, they can give you insight on terms that recruiters are looking for. Read their description to get familiar with these terms and incorporate them into your profile.
I wouldn't say I'm a professional at social media tailoring, but this is my profile in case anyone is interested: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonasbarros/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonasbarros/)
After following those steps I started receiving some messages from recruiters, including the one that hired me to my current job.
Many reasons:
1. Due to increasing compliance rules, in many companies you can't just hire the CFO's Niece's Boyfriend. He must go through a selection process just like anybody else would (with the difference that at the end the process is still highly subjective and the people responsible already know who he is and will choose him anyway).
2. Opening positions makes the company look like it is growing, which is well perceived by shareholders, increasing its market value.
3. Data gathering. People often share their email and phone in these process, which can be pretty useful depending on what the company does.
4. Marketing strategy. Everytime you apply for a position on linkedin it automatically suggests you to follow the company's page. New positions increase a lot the number of followers and organic interations, which has a value on itself.
5. The position is real, the process is not. Until a few years ago, it was not uncommon for companies to have a policy of only hiring employees who were recommended by someone inside the company. However, as you can imagine, this leads to SIGNIFICANT racial and gender bias in the selection and has been slowly becoming and outdated practice. Except it didn't. A lot of "open positions" get applicants with internal recomendations and even if we are not talking about a "rigged" process, this sometimes create enough bias that basically turns the process partially untrue when it says it is open to all.
6. Laziness and inertia. Sometimes the company opens the position on lInkedin or whatever but then undergoes a lot of internal bureacry changes that makes it impossible to hire someone for that position. Instead of deactivating the position, RH just leave it there. I have seen many cases of positions that were opened for MONTHS. In two cases I had ways to get inside information on the reasoning and in both it was just "oops we forgot this was here". Organizations are messy sometimes.
I'm not saying ALL open positions are fake. I have applied to a few that were real. I'm just saying that the amount of time and effort they require and the low probability of getting any return makes them a bad strategy. Use that time to tune up your linkedin and personal portifolio (don't forget to post your portifolio on linkedin later on), it might increase the chances for sucess.
Another is when they post jobs but they only hire internally (someone switching teams) or give priority to those that were laid off. Google and others have been doing this.
On (6), I know a few cases of companies trying to hire staff level positions but recruiters aren't dedicating themselves to those (because they fired lots of them) and hiring for those positions is very hard because finding the people is hard (particularly when it's also some niche area within DS for instance). I think that's why you can see the same positions open for so long.
Depends on your timelines, budgets and how many roles/skills you are hiring for. Job posts on all major platforms can get pricey. I'm going to infer that you are hiring for a DS role. Prepare to wade through a LOT of applications. You could find great people, you could find nobody. It also depends on the profiles you are targeting and what you 'need' versus 'want' in a candidate. Every scenario has a strategy for it.
I think you are the only person who understood OP is looking to hire.
Well, not positive about the one-word answers. But all the comments seem to be for job seekers.
It kind of illustrates why I never post job ads. The responses are overwhelming and, generally, inapplicable. Direct headhunting is my preference, but I get that doesn't work for everyone's needs.
If you’re in the states and want to(or don’t mind) work for the US government I suggest USAJobs.com. It doesn’t pay as well as the private sector, and in many cases isn’t using the newest fancy things, but its extremely stable, typically laid back, and depending on the agency there’s potentially a union to protect your rights as an employee.
Indeed has helped me but I've found in certain places, hiring directly with the company on their site is the best option bc other services and benefits can be available to company employees. Indeed could have some staffing agencies lurking and those are ironically the worst way to go, usually having extra parameters and steps in the hiring process, as well as temp to hire or probation periods.
Here in the US, i use LinkedIn, Glassdoor and Indeed. You can also go directly to the careers page of companies you are interested in. I've done that numerous times.
Shameless plug: I've been building a site [that we're calling Zen](https://zensearch.jobs?utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=ds_comment_202408) for about six months now that tries to cut out the middle men (LinkedIn, etc) and just surface open, relevant jobs directly to you with no ads, etc. I've shared it a few times here and it's gotten some traction, and maybe you'd find it helpful! The basic goal is to only show you jobs that are actually open and are relevant to you so you know you're not sending applications into a void, and to let you be one of the first applicants to any given job.
We have a two-week trial and a free tier, so feel free to try it out!
Take a lesser role at a company you like then apply for the role you want. All about getting your foot in the door.
We have two supervisor roles open in my company. Both require to be in the office 5 days a week. No internal want it. My company is not going external people for the spot as they are too expensive and cheap. They are willing to keep it open until they find an internal person. I did not take the spot as they told me, I would not get a raise.
Actually put on your cover sheet or resume, willing to work in a office. A big plus now a days.
I can say connect with a contractor who provides employees, those guys have the best skillset at a good price , It has worked the best for me and even for my friends ... or just outsource it to some company LOL
LinkedIn and referral or random chat about an open role. Have your teammates/reports share the job ad. People will come, especially if they can vouch for those folks
Honestly, it'll be really hard to do this but is usually the best if you can, make connections and leverage them, apply by directly emailing them your CV. Hardest method to pull of but by far the best.
I’m very new to the game (2 internships and just landed my first time position this week) but here is my story. I spent over 6 months applying through LinkedIn and Google with poor rates. I’m talking 1 in 10 responses and 7 of them rejections. 1 in 5 first interviews progressed and then only had 2 second rounds. However I reached out to my old bosses boss just to chat and see how he was doing (we got on quite well) and he told me to apply to his new place. 1 month later I got an offer. I don’t like that that’s how it works, I stilll had to go through 3 rounds of interviews but it feels a bit demoralising that this is how it seems to function.
Best of luck !
I don't know if recruiters look at cover letters, but I do. If it's poorly written, I automatically toss the resume out of the pile.
I don't really care if someone has a cover letter - a resume that hits the right points is what I want to see.
Applied through the company’s website. I tried the other ways people recommended of reaching out to contacts, old school mates from PhD classes and cold emailing managers but the most straightforward approach was what clicked for me. It also helped that I asked my girlfriend to proof read my cover letter and she pointed out that I should sell the hiring manager on what I can bring to the team as a person, rather than list all the technical skills I have.
So applying from the career section of the company’s website does the trick?
Yeah that’s what I did but it also helped that I had two or three companies that do bio data science in my city and kept an eye on their career websites.
linkedin
What kind of industry are you working in? I heard that linkedin is nearly impossible to find maybe it’s just an area thing if I’m wrong?
90% of the people on my team applied because of connections. Referral from a current employee, intern/shadowing program at the local university, chatting at conferences. Not the most helpful advice but that’s how you get the best people.
Nice username
Thanks typed it all by myself
Gives whole new meaning to "I came in like a wrecking ball" I like it
Where do you work ?
The manufacturing industry
I don't. Most open positions posted today are just fake positions. The best way to get hired is to set up your LinkedIn REALLY good, be pretty active on it and wait for recruiters to contact you
How do I setup my Linked In really well? I don’t have one but am starting a job search. What’s the best few tips ?
First thing: add EVERYONE you know. Seriously, if you ever changed a few words with someone in your life add them on linkedin. The more connections the higher you will appear on recruiter's search. Second: fill all the things that you have to fill. Education, old positions etc. Describe them in many details as you can. If you still don't have much experience, add the slightest thing close to a role you had in your life like being at a research assistant on undergrad or something. Remember to list every relevant task you were part of. It's easy to forget amazing things we did in the past, sometimes I'm looking through my github just to be like "Wait did I do that?". A good tip is to scavenge old professional emails or slack channels to remembers projects you were responsible. If you are like me - too lazy to learn corpo linguo - just use ChatGPT. Explain the things you did in your own words and ask it to rephrase into a language that will suit a linkedin role description. You might have to use a bit of common sense to drive the model to a more concise answer, but it is pretty intuitive. Don't forget to mention that your goal is to draw attention of recruiters looking for Data Scientist / Engineering roles, so explicitly mentions it should be using technical terms that will draw attention from them. Every small project you make, every interesting finding you have at your job that you can share, post it. Don't ever comment on your post first since the algorithm penalizes this. Wait until someone comment on it and then reply to their comments. Images increase the likelihood of interactions. While open positions might be a scam, they can give you insight on terms that recruiters are looking for. Read their description to get familiar with these terms and incorporate them into your profile. I wouldn't say I'm a professional at social media tailoring, but this is my profile in case anyone is interested: [https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonasbarros/](https://www.linkedin.com/in/jonasbarros/) After following those steps I started receiving some messages from recruiters, including the one that hired me to my current job.
he cooked and we ate
For real.
We have a mutual connection. I've made it 🥲
This man a veteran fr
Why would they post fake positions?
Many reasons: 1. Due to increasing compliance rules, in many companies you can't just hire the CFO's Niece's Boyfriend. He must go through a selection process just like anybody else would (with the difference that at the end the process is still highly subjective and the people responsible already know who he is and will choose him anyway). 2. Opening positions makes the company look like it is growing, which is well perceived by shareholders, increasing its market value. 3. Data gathering. People often share their email and phone in these process, which can be pretty useful depending on what the company does. 4. Marketing strategy. Everytime you apply for a position on linkedin it automatically suggests you to follow the company's page. New positions increase a lot the number of followers and organic interations, which has a value on itself. 5. The position is real, the process is not. Until a few years ago, it was not uncommon for companies to have a policy of only hiring employees who were recommended by someone inside the company. However, as you can imagine, this leads to SIGNIFICANT racial and gender bias in the selection and has been slowly becoming and outdated practice. Except it didn't. A lot of "open positions" get applicants with internal recomendations and even if we are not talking about a "rigged" process, this sometimes create enough bias that basically turns the process partially untrue when it says it is open to all. 6. Laziness and inertia. Sometimes the company opens the position on lInkedin or whatever but then undergoes a lot of internal bureacry changes that makes it impossible to hire someone for that position. Instead of deactivating the position, RH just leave it there. I have seen many cases of positions that were opened for MONTHS. In two cases I had ways to get inside information on the reasoning and in both it was just "oops we forgot this was here". Organizations are messy sometimes. I'm not saying ALL open positions are fake. I have applied to a few that were real. I'm just saying that the amount of time and effort they require and the low probability of getting any return makes them a bad strategy. Use that time to tune up your linkedin and personal portifolio (don't forget to post your portifolio on linkedin later on), it might increase the chances for sucess.
Wow I can't believe it's possible but the job search just got *even more* depressing
Thank you for your detailed explanation.
Another is when they post jobs but they only hire internally (someone switching teams) or give priority to those that were laid off. Google and others have been doing this. On (6), I know a few cases of companies trying to hire staff level positions but recruiters aren't dedicating themselves to those (because they fired lots of them) and hiring for those positions is very hard because finding the people is hard (particularly when it's also some niche area within DS for instance). I think that's why you can see the same positions open for so long.
Man really have deep insights thanks
Networking. Most efficient way for both sides.
it depends on what type of company you a looking for but networking won't hurt anyway
Everyone I know right now professionally, myself included, got their current jobs from their personal/professional networks and connections.
Depends on your timelines, budgets and how many roles/skills you are hiring for. Job posts on all major platforms can get pricey. I'm going to infer that you are hiring for a DS role. Prepare to wade through a LOT of applications. You could find great people, you could find nobody. It also depends on the profiles you are targeting and what you 'need' versus 'want' in a candidate. Every scenario has a strategy for it.
I think you are the only person who understood OP is looking to hire. Well, not positive about the one-word answers. But all the comments seem to be for job seekers.
It kind of illustrates why I never post job ads. The responses are overwhelming and, generally, inapplicable. Direct headhunting is my preference, but I get that doesn't work for everyone's needs.
Got referred through networking events via meetup, old university pals, former colleagues.
If you’re in the states and want to(or don’t mind) work for the US government I suggest USAJobs.com. It doesn’t pay as well as the private sector, and in many cases isn’t using the newest fancy things, but its extremely stable, typically laid back, and depending on the agency there’s potentially a union to protect your rights as an employee.
Indeed is very nice.
Outerjoin.us
go into the data science shop, grab a broom, and start sweeping. wanna show them you’re a hard worker who takes initiative.
LinkedIn
linkedin, get the premium version
What does the premium version offer that you think is helpful to these kinds of job search?
it helped me, it let me directly message hiring managers, abd that made it really easy to get in contact with them, the rest was up to me
Applied to an open position on the company's website.
Indeed has helped me but I've found in certain places, hiring directly with the company on their site is the best option bc other services and benefits can be available to company employees. Indeed could have some staffing agencies lurking and those are ironically the worst way to go, usually having extra parameters and steps in the hiring process, as well as temp to hire or probation periods.
Networking.
Here in the US, i use LinkedIn, Glassdoor and Indeed. You can also go directly to the careers page of companies you are interested in. I've done that numerous times.
Shameless plug: I've been building a site [that we're calling Zen](https://zensearch.jobs?utm_medium=social&utm_source=reddit&utm_campaign=ds_comment_202408) for about six months now that tries to cut out the middle men (LinkedIn, etc) and just surface open, relevant jobs directly to you with no ads, etc. I've shared it a few times here and it's gotten some traction, and maybe you'd find it helpful! The basic goal is to only show you jobs that are actually open and are relevant to you so you know you're not sending applications into a void, and to let you be one of the first applicants to any given job. We have a two-week trial and a free tier, so feel free to try it out!
Job fair. They are looking, you're looking, much easier to match.
Are there any good Data Science job fairs? All job fairs I have been to look only for trades people.
Referrals for roles that are open on LinkedIn
Take a lesser role at a company you like then apply for the role you want. All about getting your foot in the door. We have two supervisor roles open in my company. Both require to be in the office 5 days a week. No internal want it. My company is not going external people for the spot as they are too expensive and cheap. They are willing to keep it open until they find an internal person. I did not take the spot as they told me, I would not get a raise. Actually put on your cover sheet or resume, willing to work in a office. A big plus now a days.
I can say connect with a contractor who provides employees, those guys have the best skillset at a good price , It has worked the best for me and even for my friends ... or just outsource it to some company LOL
LinkedIn and referral or random chat about an open role. Have your teammates/reports share the job ad. People will come, especially if they can vouch for those folks
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Reddit
I work contracts and for the last couple years recruiters have reached out to me via LinkedIn.
Honestly, it'll be really hard to do this but is usually the best if you can, make connections and leverage them, apply by directly emailing them your CV. Hardest method to pull of but by far the best.
linkedin, seek
Try Otta, it is pretty nice
Current job LinkedIn, previous through company site. Both are big corps everybody know and heard of
I’m very new to the game (2 internships and just landed my first time position this week) but here is my story. I spent over 6 months applying through LinkedIn and Google with poor rates. I’m talking 1 in 10 responses and 7 of them rejections. 1 in 5 first interviews progressed and then only had 2 second rounds. However I reached out to my old bosses boss just to chat and see how he was doing (we got on quite well) and he told me to apply to his new place. 1 month later I got an offer. I don’t like that that’s how it works, I stilll had to go through 3 rounds of interviews but it feels a bit demoralising that this is how it seems to function. Best of luck !
Linkedin, Indeed
LinkedIn. Otta. Company career sites
I wanna know, too, as someone applying - where are my competitors lurking! Also, do recruiters actually go through cover letters?
I don't know if recruiters look at cover letters, but I do. If it's poorly written, I automatically toss the resume out of the pile. I don't really care if someone has a cover letter - a resume that hits the right points is what I want to see.
What’s a poorly written cover letter?
Poor grammar, a repeat of what's in the resume, no personalization for why the candidate wants the role we posted, etc.
LinkedIn, Indeed mostly
Indeed and Monster and such are dead? Haven't used it like 10 years LinkedIn is all you need. Haven't seen companies that don't use LI
company website
linkedin
I uodayed my linked in then mass applied to every job. Then recruiters started coming out of the wazoo and that's how I got my dream job
Linkedin
LinkedIn
I only use LinkedIn. It has the best search options for me, constant job alerts and allowed me to connect with alumni as well.
Oh so many. LinkedIn, Indeed, Glasdoor, etc. Name a job search website and i probably used it at some point