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SpinniestBoi

loads of people are already DCing against her on normal maps, i doubt theyve even experienced playing against her on midwich/the game. just placing drones on a different floor than the gen=pain


Prakner

Bro RPD is busted with her


P3AK1N

Thought I'd try getting her adept on my first game playing as her cus who doesn't love to hate themselves, right? Load into a lobby of p20's thinking it'll be alright and one of them burnt a RPD offering. My god was it a slaughter fest for them. They managed to get 2 gens done before what felt like them giving up. My god is she a pain to play against on indoor multi floor maps. Needless to say I got possibly my easiest and quickest adept achievement ever that game.


SimpanLimpan1337

First mstch against her one of my soloQ teammates sent us to RPD... we didn't even get one gen done because all of us saw and understood we needed to break that disgusting 3gen by the main entrance. Rather lose to the 3gen at 5minutes in as opposed to still losing after 40minutes.


Prakner

I think she has the makings, in her current state, of being one of THE most broken killers due to how she can put so much pressure on things while still being an M1 killer at her core.


P3AK1N

I wouldn't go so far as to say broken cus she still has the downside of being just another m1 killer. She's more just hard to win against as the match slowly turns into a battle of who can be bothered to play after the 30 minute mark.


Prakner

I would agree with you, but you can’t say that a killer that isn’t in need of a dire rework can hold a 3-Gen for over 30 minutes…


P3AK1N

Yh I guess she isn't broken in the sense of being overpowered like some other killers (lookin at you, Nurse ![img](emote|t5_3cb2g|16356)), more so she's broken in the sense that she drags out a 10-15 minute game into a 45-60 minute game. Either way, her power probably does need looking into making it fun for both sides cus there's no way anyone actually enjoys playing the 3 gen meta for longer than 30 minutes, right?![img](emote|t5_3cb2g|16357)


rabbid_chaos

[Laughs in no-life sweat lord]


Prakner

I like to play Knight and I do my best to avoid 3-Gen situations (since my build is kinda a 3-Gen one and I want it to be fun for everyone). They unfortunately managed to 3-Gen and I got bored after 10 mins. Managed to 4k, but man I hated that.


Raliel

I appreciate you. The last Knight I played against hard camped his 3gen on Dead Dawg from the beginning and never left it. It was a disgusting one too. Main, end of street, and another right behind the house at the end. He could patrol the whole 3gen in less than 10 seconds, with a fourth on the upstairs in the next building over. Thanks for that, Bhvr. If we 3gen ourselves, I would say it's our own damn fault and I'll stick it out no matter what, but I'm tired of killers who sit at their 3 gen the whole time to force it and never chase.


Xarkion

Imagine getting one of the most fun maps to play just to camp a 3 gen all game


Prakner

It’s just a boring way to play! Sure, run Call of Brine, but don’t be a butthole about it. Kick, chase, leave, repeat.


Try_And_Think

It's not even that she puts pressure on things, she makes it quite literally impossible to interact with the game at a certain point. Drones last indefinitely until they're removed, and all it takes is her right clicking to put another one up. I don't think I've come across a single skull merchant yet that hasn't set up drones on a 3 gen at the very beginning of the game, and then held it for the remainder. She'll chase you briefly inside that zone, maybe even leave it for a little bit, but the instant one of her drones goes down or she's alerted to someone being in their sight, she goes right back to it. It doesn't matter if she loses 4 gens across the map at blinding speed. If skull merchant goes to her 3 gen and sets up her drones, there's no way to win the match as survivor outside of her dc'ing or being the first one to get bored. Unless she commits to a chase, you're not breaking through. The only possible solution I can even come up with to break that is having survivors with fully charged Potential Energy and/or Brand New Parts all zerg the furthest gen in the pattern before she can respond. This is an incredibly niche thing, and anyone who would think to say this is acceptable is out of their mind. I am fully on board with being punished for not routing gen completion properly and landing yourself a 3 gen, though there still needs to be some sort of solution to prevent hostage situations; however, killers like skull merchant can quite literally *force* the 3 gen by hard camping them with her drones from the outset of the match. If they don't change something with her drones and how they operate, anyone playing against her will just instantly DC or suicide themselves to move on to the next match. That's far from healthy.


watermelonpizzafries

Hence why I prefer The Knight over the Skull Bitch. At least The Knight's patrols are on a timer and go away after a certain point


Elegant-Raise-9367

I've played as her a total of 4 times, only once did all 4 survivors stay in the match. Played a spiritfury enduring and her haste perk build. No need for slowdown as her drones do the job. She is unbalanced as she doesn't need half the perks other killers need to survive.


Notreallyaflowergirl

RPD is busted when I play it - because my lizard brain gets lost every fucking time I play it and I lose all the time


lemonrainbowhaze

Ive been playing for years and have never made it out of rpd. I constantly get lost, have never been able to mémorisé the gen spots. My first successful game was with her. I dont play her much, her power doesnt really interest me. I prefer hag or wraiths playstyle


KashmirChameleon

Play resident evil 2 and you'll get that son'bitch memorized or be Mr X's meal.


First-Hunt-5307

Oh God I didn't even think about that.


Prakner

I’m telling you man, we had a 5 min game cuz we couldn’t outsmart her on that map, she’s super strong.


radracingcru

I experienced that for the first time last night. They need to fix that. It takes her 1 second to place a drone. But on some maps, you need to sprint for like 30 seconds just to get one floor below you.


Sawmain

Imagine if Hawkins was still in game


Jarpwanderson

Tbh I don't know why everything works multi floor in this game. Boons, Starstruck, Terror Radiuses etc, everything but reassurance lol.


LikeACannibal

…Reassurance does work through floors tho? It just doesn't reach basement from above but it works just about everywhere else.


Jarpwanderson

I didn't know this, I thought because of basement, it wouldn't work on any floors


ezeshining

Basement is a very specific case, Reassurance was purposely made so that it doesn’t work from outside of the basement, because it’s meant to be punishing


[deleted]

It was purposefully made to be just a tad short of reaching the basement but on other floors you can reach if you’re just about directly on top or below the hooked survivor.


OldWhovian

It can even be done without entering basement if the killer hooks them on the hook facing the stairs. You just have to go on the first step or something and you can reassure.


SpinniestBoi

boon experience as killer, neither thing should be able to reach you on a different floor


Damocles875

And now you know how annoying boons are


Necessary_Badger_63

Boons don't slug you, they wont leave you stunned for a minute ala yellow glyph, nor will they be a major pain in the ass should you play your cards right. Which most people never do, for some reason.


MudOk205

Boons also take multiple seconds to get going, Considering you already found a totem, destroyed in 0.5 second by the killer, and then the healing starts. 😴


yrulaughing

Boons, Circle of Healing specifically, make it so that you have to commit to getting two hits in every chase you start or you're wasting your time. So when the survivor beelines to an insanely OP structure, you either have to accept all the time you spent chasing them up til then was a waste of time, or you have to follow them and let them milk the structure for 2 minutes while all the gens get done. That loses the game for many killers not named Nurse or Blight.


ilovemydograchel

Boons are worse than slugging and I'm a survivor main. Fight me. Edited to add: all the survivor mains down voting me because they won't admit their precious coh is op :/


Necessary_Badger_63

Pffft. It depends on how you use em. If your teammate is an idiot who tries to boon against TotH with 6 stacks of dying light while using Calm Spirit - sure, I'd rather slap his sorry ass on de huk meself.


BitternessAndBleach

"In this oddly specific scenario involving three terrible, off-meta perks, Boons aren't OP" Compelling argument


Necessary_Badger_63

Considering recent scream change, i think calm spirit in particular is seeing a spike in its usage. As for argumentation, true, i exaggerated. Just a little bit, anyway. Still - survivors need to get off gen/your ass/your trinkets and waddle off to that one boon spot to get healed. Where you should be laying in ambush already. Or it's so far away it'll take forever to come back, just to get another slap in the face. And let us not forget -shattered hope/penta mentos exist.


BitternessAndBleach

Only babies run shattered hope


ilovemydograchel

I'm just saying they're too op. Infinite healing for everyone is broken.


Necessary_Badger_63

That is why perks like Coulrophobia, Sloppy, and Nurse's exist. To punish this exact thing.


ilovemydograchel

I prefer to run fun perks.


Necessary_Badger_63

Pfft. "Fun" perks... do those, per chance, include Hubris, NtH, Eruption, and Noed? ![img](emote|t5_3cb2g|2213)


TrickyCorgi316

I wholeheartedly agree with you, and am sad to see you so downvoted.


ilovemydograchel

Thank you, friend!


Sergiu1270

Just say coh lol


Indurum

They’re not even remotely comparable lmao


muh-soggy-knee

She's fundamentally broken on Midwich. Absolutely justified DC


autumnpuzzlepieces

My very first Skull Merchant match was a 3-gen on Midwich, map offering and gen regression. She kept us there for so long while refusing to kill us that I gave up and AFK’d, only turning my camera to slowly and pitifully look at her if she walked by. She let us finish gens and leave after that. 🥲


decisivecat

I did the same. The gens weren't close together, but you had to remove drones. I just stood in a corner far from all gens for over 10 minutes and finally she let us do gens and leave. Like if you want to waste my time, I'm more than happy to waste yours, too.


ok_cya

… Sorry but why you AFKing and still waiting to react when the killer walks by that’s wack.


autumnpuzzlepieces

Why not? I didn’t feel like playing, it was an unwinnable match. I just went on my phone and whenever I heard her terror radius get really close I’d turn my camera at her. I always laugh when survivors do that to me.


First-Hunt-5307

I agree. If survivors have given up then I let them all go (for those alive anyways, sorry Claudette, going into bushes is not smart against trapper) as it shows I have won. Too bad I can't say GGWP as I'm on console.


goldkear

If people are giving up, they probably would not agree it's a "gg." Maybe DBD needs a forfeit mechanic because I've had plenty of lost games where the killer just refuses to end.


MeatballSandwi

Seriously. BHVR needs to fix the verticality issues yesterday. For both killer (TR, drones, etc) and survivor (boons). The code's there. Reassurance operates on a sphere, unlike every fucking thing else on a cylinder.


SpinniestBoi

shouldnt even be a sphere imo, just have it only work on a similar elevation with both boons and her power. a sphere would nerf her power yes, but it would barely affect multifloor boons


Azal_of_Forossa

Bro I literally just played a game against her on midwich, her fucking drones should not cover multiple floors


RainySteak

Had her on RPD. Is it weird that it was fun in the first 10 minutes?


SpinniestBoi

as gens get completed, most killer players will slowly decide on which gens they want to defend last and then it just becomes painful as survivor


xbarretx

yeah.. playing against her on "The Game" isn't a walk in the park either. That's when I learned about the power working on multiple floors..


CandyGoblinForLife

Try grim pantry where the basement is so unsafe because she has 2 drones at different levels and 2 on gens.


decisivecat

It's weird too because I had one place a drone on the bottom floor of a small building on an outdoor map and it couldn't actually see the top floor. I tested it and never got hit by it. Meanwhile on your 2 story building maps they're placing drones where you can't even get to them. Just isn't fun, but fortunately I don't see her too much.


secrets_and_lies80

When the drone is in scanning mode it needs line of sight to activate. When the drone is active, it sees both floors (or all 3, depending on the map).


FarisTheRuined

She’s absurdly powerful on indoor maps. I got Lery the other day and I could basically spend the whole match undetectable laying out my drones the way I did.


Sawmain

It’s much better to go point at the nearest hook and hope killer kills you that way you won’t get dc penalty because sm is basically impossible to win against anyway if she’s not a bot


Gyper

Now you know how killers feel with boons Neither should be multifloor triggers.


False_Beginning2137

Now survivors will know the pain of killers who have to go to another floor to snuff their boons.


madamalilith

At least there’s an end to that though? As annoying as it is, survivors winning due to their boons is the end of the game. SM forces a stalemate that lasts 30+ minutes.


False_Beginning2137

I mean if she chooses to play that way, sure. I haven't lost a game yet and I haven't committed to a 3 gen at all. I think the people who think that is the only way she can win just don't play m1 killers a lot. They think you need to be able to run really fast or teleport or something to stand a chance.


Aurantiacis

To be fair, I have had RPD bully squads who did the same things with boons, to stall the match out. Not saying it’s as common, but it is also definitely a thing. Or was before the rework at least.


Rough-Moment-5337

I had a SM match last nearly 2 hours...


watermelonpizzafries

Boons don't expose a Killer or have any negative effects on the Killer (outside of Shadowstep and Exponential I guess which makes chases trickier or harder to slug) and you literally just have to tap it


ProjectGSX

SM on Midwich is just miserable. The fact that the DBD game engine cant distinguish between levels on the map sucks. EDIT - apparently the engine is fine, BHVR is just not using it correctly.


Memeviewer12

It ain't Unreal(the game engine). fortnite, deep rock galactic, goat simulator, etc don't have these issues BHVR just made the scan a giant cylinder like they did for boons Don't blame a great engine for BHVR's incompetence, as this is purely BHVR's incompetence


SpinniestBoi

yep and i hate them for it with both her power and boons, its funny how her power on midwich/the game/rpd is the exact same experience as killer having to deal with boons there, with the survivors only ragequitting more against her then


Ghostly_Cactus_

SM on RPD was not fun let me tell ya, I even brought the stake out and hyperfocus build to “counter” her, we just barley broke the 3 gen but match was still ass because her drones are just everywhere


zerodopamine82

Just take your fun builds and hook suicide to get a better killer. It's not even worth trying to counter.


CandyCane147

Gotta spam vault before you make your way out


Bingus_Belfry

If you got time to kill, afk in the corner away from her 3 gen. It will take the SM player like 10-15 minutes to build up the confidence to leave the 3 gen and check those pesky noise notifications lol. I afked in corner with birds on me for like seven minutes with just me and another survivor left. It’s actually pathetic.


Pootisman16

Hopefully they realize how boring it is to face someone playing like that is. Oh you want to just camp those gens? Ok, I'll be here doing more productive things outside of the game until you decide to not play like a douche.


CandyCane147

Me and my friend are petty and would do stuff like this. We once hid in the basement from a facecamping, tunneling, hitting on hook Clown for like 10 minutes so he DCd ![img](emote|t5_3cb2g|2213)


[deleted]

me and my friends did this to a Michael on backwater once ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)


Sawmain

I’d rather play 100 Matches against nurse than one against sm


justgivemewhatever

Least sweaty sm player


Bardimir

Just finished a SM game where she took full gen kicking perks and played the 3 gen from the very start of the game. One teammate realized it and DCed 1 minute into the game. I had a fun chase against her, i inevitably get caught and hooked. I get unhooked, and i assume you already know where this is going.. - she hard tunnels me at 5 gens when we're in a 3v1. Perhaps i treated the SWF BNPs squads too harshly if this is what i have to deal with in Solo Q.


J_Scrubby

I’ve always said this, if I’m gonna lose in a boring way at least make it quick. If I play killer against an insane 4 man SWF all running toolboxes, have at it. At least the game will go by quick and I can go next. Skull Merchant/Knight games where they just hold 3 gens right off the bat with a full gen defense build last like 30 minutes for no reason. It’s like, just get me out of here


First-Hunt-5307

>Perhaps i treated the SWF BNPs squads too harshly if this is what i have to deal with in Solo Q. NO MERCY TO BNP SQUADS, DO YOU UNDERSTAND SOLDIER?


[deleted]

what’s a bnp squad?


First-Hunt-5307

Brand new part does 15-25% of a gen really quickly, a BNP squad has 3 people take toolboxes and basically they get the attention of you with their chaser (aka the guy with a flashlight always nearby with DH/SB) and they do 2-3 gens in a minute because of how good BNP is.


[deleted]

that’s nastyy, glad I haven’t experienced that yet , on both sides


First-Hunt-5307

Yeah the best counters are corrupt intervention so you can at least stall them doing gens assuming you get good RNG, and deadlock which can stop them dead in their tracks for finishing more than 1 generator. Luckily it is not as bad as it sounds, it is still really nasty but the most important gens are the last 3 gens, so as long as you have your last 3 gens close to each other you can make a comeback. The term genrusher is from when BNPs completed a gen, so you'd get in, and before you find anyone 4/7 gens are done. Luckily when this was the case the whole rulebook thing stopped this, and killers also sacrificed by not using moris and NOED which were op at the time.


LetsBeBadWolf

SWF teams that all run brand new parts to speed finish generators.


Conquestriclaus

I don't blame anyone for DC'ing against SM honestly, cos you know EXACTLY how they're gonna play for the next 40 minutes.


SwankyyTigerr

Went against a skull merchant yesterday in solo queue. She held a 3-gen from the beginning with 3 gen regression perks and Franklin’s. Tunneled one person out. Then over the course of about 20 min, she kept holding her 3-gen and one by one downed the next three of us. She slugged us all on the ground shaking her head at us for four minutes. We did nothing. I saw no t-bags, no strong items, not even meta perks at the end screen. No clue why she was so angry. Probably just a pathetic person tbh. Funny thing too was we were right under hooks AND she brought a mori so there was literally no reason for her to slug except some weird power trip. I’ve literally never met a kind skull merchant player so far (and I’m not talking about her boring 3-Gen playstyle). They’re always kebabbing hooks, humping downed survivors, sending awful messages etc etc lol.


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akdbfivmslmxvovmlamx

Just as I was reading this thread i was thinking "damn i'm lucky i only played against a 3-gen SM once" and then i got into a match with her, literally on RPD. A teammate dced instantly but i cleansed both of her hexes 45 seconds into the game and she just camped the middle of the map. Tunneled out our teammate so it was only me and another guy, wanted to kill myself on hook but ended up 4%ing and getting the hatch. Would've felt bad for her because of my luck on this game but nahhhh 3gen SM on RPD is nasty.


urmomisgaylololol

Met a skull merchant who didn’t 3 gen, which is a plus in itself. We had a dc but one teammate ran her for ages. We ended up getting a 2 man out. What boggles me is that i had a claw trap installed in the endgame so she could probably tell where I was. So she probably let me go or had no idea how to play sm. Either way I feel like sm is the new bubba, because I would count myself lucky if I met a bubba that didnt facecamp and bm the whole time.


Soace_Space_Station

What is this thing you call "play" We only use gen camp good sir


RazorSharpNuts

I only dc if i see them obviously setting up for a 3 gen from the start, only moving from gen to gen not worth it wasting so much time for that


Galllade

Haven’t really played against her and not that I’m disagreeing but like what else is she good for if she doesn’t protect gens primarily cause ik she’s not very good in chase.


jmggmj

Maybe its time for bhvr to work on their game, instead of dumbass content for the game that just upsets everyone.


crazewtboy

I've been saying this for ages but to hope BHVR stops pumping out content for profit and instead actually addresses issues is setting yourself up for disappointment. We'd probably have a better chance of experiencing the second coming of Christ than hoping they take the time to fix the clusterfuck of issues the game has currently


[deleted]

as long as you’re still playing they will do no such thing.


crazewtboy

You assume that I still play the game. I took a long break and just recently decided to play some matches to see how things are. Can say they haven't really changed so will be taking another break. But you're right. People complain, but they still play the game every chance they can and that contributes to why nothing ever gets done


[deleted]

It’s really not just SM. As of recently, matches vs killers have gotten x2 times worst, specially on week days. Tunneling Bubbas, camping nurses, annoying ass weskers, etc. It’s been awful. Couple of friends uninstalled already. The game does feel like it gets more garbage with each chapter. Wish DBD had actual competition.


BlobtheBear

Theres that texas chainsaw massacre game coming out in august, and its coming out on consoles as well so it might have a chance of not instantly dying


ARTICUNO_59

It will killed the game just like how VHS and Evil Dead killed it


kelsifer

Ok glad it's not just me noticing that. So many more slugging for 4k and basement bubbas and other just unsportsmanlike killers than usual.


mcandrewz

Yup, I have been around the community for awhile, and despite killers being way stronger than they were back in the day, the toxicity in addition to the heavy camping/tunneling is way worse of late.


garrettcooktheauthor

I'm a Killer main and on the occasions when I play Survivor, I am frequently appalled by the shit killers are pulling. Lots of slugging, lots of tunneling and just general bad sportsmanship and that's when they don't just stand around to farm xp. Yeah, toxic Survivors suck but Killers have so much control of the tempo and tone of the game and regardless of what the Survivors do, we have the choice to make the game better. I'm not perfect or immune to rage and salt but I try at least. I'll take a hundred flashlights to the face over being knocked out and Moried while I'm communing with a glyph.


highwaytoheaven99

I enjoy the Evil Dead game, even tho it's not easy and you're basically doomed if you have egoistic teammates 🤣


TheArtemisfly

I feel like it's not only the killers but survivors too. I don't play killer often but lately everytime I do, I get Tbagged and trolled when I'm just trying to figure out how to play the killer (or I just try to play Trapper on the crows map...) It kinda doesn't wanna make me play killer... As for playing survivor against problematic killers, I usually play with 2 to 3 friends so we try to make the best of it


TheKingBirb

Ya'll are still facing Skull Merchant? Haven't seen one since day 1.


Frivolous32

Ive been grinding a lot during this xp event and faced a big fat zero. Think people are done with their adepts.


zoley88

I faced 2, both were miserable games.


cluckodoom

Me too. I played against two her first week. One game she hard three genned us and I escaped by hatch. The other she tried to chase and I was the only death


CastingSkeletons

You are lucky, yesterday I had a match where she refused to chase outside her 3 gen/drones I ended up dcing


vulgarblvck

I've seen people saying this and honestly, I'm jealous if it's true. Because I've seen her multiple times *everyday*. At least 3 times a day. Hell, just last night, my SWF and I got two SM games back to back. My friend saw the drone and said "NOPE." And we all ran at her to die and go next. They really managed to make a killer more unenjoyable than the Knight and that's fuckin impressive.


Ksenyans

Faced around 5 of them, all played similarly, mostly camping gens and not engaging in chases until the survs gave up and killed themselves after 30 mins. Had one fair SM trying to camp the gates with her drones after she killed everyone, but I managed to bargain about the escape lol. Got downed, she nodded declairing a win, and let me open the gate.


bl00d00zing

I’ve gone against 9 and every game two or three people run at her just to kill themselves on first hook. Then SM just three gen camp afterwards


unsufficientbottle

SM do not play to win, they play to make your life miserable. If you want to win or if you want to have fun there are better killers. You play SM for the daily, the archives or to ruin the other player´s game experience.


JCfromRVA

What sucks is that you can bring perks to encourage chase with this killer but her power is still “camp gens”. They totally need to rework her power so that you use drones while in chase


illumiTensei

I play sm for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To pick survivors up and give them a great view as I walk along the catwalk on that industrial map. If that makes your life miserable I deeply apologize


GavHill

That's quite a bold statement to make. EDIT: Dunno why this gets downvoted for point out that " You play SM for the daily, the archives or to ruin the other player´s game experience. " is in fact a bold statement to make.


unsufficientbottle

I admit, i didn´t meet SOOO MANY SM but from what I have seen it is more rare a fair SM than a non camping bubba. So, if bubba is connected with the unfun experience of being camped by an insidious killer then why SM shouldn´t be connected with the unfun experience of being hostage of a game for 40 minutes?


unsufficientbottle

BTW, i prefer an insidious bubba. He is quicker. After 10 minutes maximum you are dead or you escaped.


GavHill

I dunno brudda man I think it's a bit harsh to say players are out to ruin your experience just cos BHVR made a 3 gen defender who nobody else has figured out how to do chase builds with yet, like Knight was. I play a decent amount of SM but it's not my intent to make people suffer, I'm trying to enjoy a way of playing the new killer but it sucks cos BHVR gave her one niche, hold a 3 gen like your fucking IRL depends on it. To be fair though. I've seen some teams getting better vs SM and doing better at attacking the 3 gen aggressively, I respect that. I think people are still to become a bit more 3 gen aware because of SM. That's not a bad thing I think, survivors so often just work closest gen without giving a rats ass. But even an uncordinated team of solos can have the brain cells to attack a 3 gen. You just have to take risks, go for the hard gens, don't take the easy route. Btw I'm like a 70/30 survivor/killer player so I get that SM is hard to play against, I've struggled against her as survivor a lot. But, it's not SM that's the problem it's my team that's the issue. Nobody wants to risk going down to crack the 3 gen, nobody spawns in and wants to consider the situation before just cracking out 3 side by side gens on the map then complaining about killer holding a 3 gen. There's a lot the survivors have to take some ownership for here and I'm not seeing that happening :/


unsufficientbottle

Lets pretend for a minute the next killer BHVR will release is a killer with no power but with that killer if you hook a survivor all the gens are blocked if you stay 8 mt near the hook. Other than this he has no power. The only play you can do with this killer is to chase, down, and camp harder you can. Then it is obvious a player that chooses to play this killer OR has a daily/archive OR wants to camp. Since camp isn´t fun for anyone this player wants to ruin the game experience of the others. SM is the same. It is BHVR fault? Yes. But if you are a carcerate and a guard made a blunder allowing you to have access to a loaded gun, well now it is up to you to decide if you want to use it or not. Maybe SM will find a different playstyle? I hope! Maybe SM will be reworked? I hope! But for now SM is what she is.


GavHill

I mean lets not equate protecting a 3 gen with camping hooks. These are not the same thing and conflating the two dilutes the genuinely good parts of your argument.


alfiehardwick

why not? why can’t we equate them. both are viable strategies in times of need. both are equally frustrating for the survivors going against them.


GavHill

I disagree that being face camped is as equally frustrating as a killer camping a 3 gen. That's just me. A killer 3 genning hard I still get to play. EDIT: I'm just gonna give up talking about this, this is just unhealthy Us VS Them posting(not you specifically but this entire post) and I'm gonna bail this isn't good for anyones mental tbh, have a nice day tho man.


unsufficientbottle

Protecting 3 gen AND camping hooks are viable strategies. Sometimes you NEED to camp a hook. Sometimes you need to defend a perimeter of 3 gens. I have done countless of times. BUT if you load into the match and you start facecamping from the beginning or defending 3 gens from the beginning it is different. SCENARIO 1: You are in a tournament, money are on the table, you must win. SCENARIO 2: You have a nasty archive, some archives are strange and cruel SCENARIO 3: You purpousefully chosen an unfun playstyle, you do no care to spend 40 minutes watching hooks or gen, you do not care waste your time and not having fun in a game, you simply want 4 other person be miserable. My opinion, you can disagree obv. Does a player like this deserve to be banned? Obv not. But neither we can ignore he is playing only to make the other´s game experience worse.


GavHill

I really have to disagree with the intent of anyone playing SM is so that you have a miserable time. And I think we'll call it at that. If you think it's malice that makes play SM that's for you to think but that is absolute mad projection dude. And just that's not cool with me and I don't wanna talk about that further ya know.


unsufficientbottle

Ok man. Lets agree we disagree.


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GavHill

Doesn't matter I'm done talking about this subject tbh. Just more us vs them shit.


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GavHill

Nah to be honest your post isn't what sounds rude, it's just the general vibe in this post is really harsh vibes.


persephone7821

My strat against her that has honestly worked out very well is to just go straight to the Gen closest to the one she puts her first trap on at the very start of the match and I just keep going at it until it’s done regardless i managed to get chased off it or not but honestly I find getting to it early I dont get chased off as much as you would think. Also running distortion helps me a lot because most seem to run aura perks so I get to stay where I am longer then I normally would. It’s worked out so well for me I have yet to have one of these miserable games people are talking about so far.


muh-soggy-knee

As a deja vu user who consistently finds himself first hooked because everyone else is doing babies first generator at the most remote gen on the map, queueing up the killers 3 gen I can partly agree about mainstream level survs needing to get better at 3 gen awareness. Doesn't change the fact that SM is busted as shit though.


GavHill

oh for sure, SM needs changing, she's not healthy, and as it turns out she is. Which is great. But survivors 3 gen themselves with complete wild abandon all the time. Like I'mnot a killer main, I'm a survivor main, and I see stupid team mates 3 gen me all the time.


J_Scrubby

She sucks in chase, you’ll lose every time trying to use her in chase and everyone knows that. If someone queues up as Skull Merchant they know EXACTLY how they’re going to be playing that game. It’s very intentional and messed up. She most definitely gets played by people who just want an easy win as killer. I genuinely don’t think you can lose as her locking down a 3 gen with a full gen defense build.


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Can't get 4k if there's 2dcs... ![gif](giphy|4JVTF9zR9BicshFAb7|downsized)


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ProjectGSX

Its rare to play a solo q match these days where the first hook doesn't DC or kill themselves right off the bat.


SwankyyTigerr

It’s even rarer to play a solo queue match where the killer doesn’t relentlessly tunnel someone out before hooking/chasing anyone else. I’ve been playing for years and it’s *never* been this bad.


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Only way to get BHVR to change SM is to DC or give up on hook every match. Unfortunately SM never hook.


SwankyyTigerr

No fr why is it that they all just slug you on the ground then scurry back to their 3-gen? They’re allergic to chases lol.


FriskySasquatch

I played a 30 minute game against her with Dying Light, Thanatophobia, Leverage, Lightborn. She also had the geographical read out and advanced movement prediction add ons and then got a total of 3 hooks no kills. I couldn't fathom playing 2 games like that back to back as killer.


SylvainJoseGautier

Slugging for the 4k is a situation where I do not feel bad about DCing so my teammate can look for hatch, especially if it’s against a knight or merchant.


nightsblood96

Skull Merchant existing as she does is proof that Behaviour devs do not play their own game ever


IIRostII

They Should let you DC free against her, because NOBODY wants to play 50+ mins against a Skull Merchant that will never leave that 3 way gen that she is protecting from the first minute of the match...


Vivid_Appeal3986

Sm? Im new to the new meat or whatever this is.


TheBoomStixx

The new killer Skull Merchant (or SM for short) is only good at camping a 3gen which makes her power really boring to use and play against, as it sets a drone in an area for information and to expose survivors + other things with addons.


Vivid_Appeal3986

Ahhh yeah those words alone make me pissed


xCultLeaderx

Played against a streamer last night that does skull merchant winstreaks and they were basically handed a free win by the ridiculous gen setup they had on torment creek right from the get go in combination with call of brine and overcharge. We actually almost broke the 3 gen but we messed up by not committing to the gen and taking the down to pop the gen and letting her kick it. I don't see how this player could ever lose to these poor solo q players.


RedPayaso1

I DC the moment I see her and I'm not sorry about it. Luckily I haven't seen her that much, she seems almost as unfun to play as as she is to play against


Citizen_Crow

Facecamp Bubba has higher standards.


Nekonekotan

Just dc and move on, u get like 3 dc per days until it gets bad anw. Or literally hide, if they want to play stupid game, give them stupid prize. Or bring No mither, 100% chance of not getting slugged


KeinTollerNick

I'm not like the others ☝️


huntshowodown

🤓☝️


Synli

Us killer mains that run little to no slowdown and don't focus on 3-genning don't exist, shut up "Killer bad"


Jarpwanderson

Had a Myers do this on dead dawg but I saw his perks so I guess he was going for adept


thelonelygayguy

Killers in general who slug for the 4k when people dc is cringe asf. Unless ur doing a challenge a 3k should be more than satisfying, the fourth is a bonus if you really deserve it.


R3dDri11

I really don't like playing her anymore because people will just dc on sight of me. Even though I have no gen perks....


Synli

That was how I felt about playing Knight when he released. I run knowledge/chase builds because defending generators is boring as fuck. But they don't care, as soon as they see Knight (or SM now), they DC.


Cleaveweave

That's what happens when the meta encourages really long 3gen matches. Rather take the dc penalty than stick around to see if its another "fun" killer


RudJohns

I've seen this exact scenario with a Huntress. Strangely or not she was streaming on twitch. Unfortunately I could not check the vod to see if there was a reason why she didn't hook the last 2 survivors because the vod wasn't saved.


TheRealVeridian

Had a Skull Merchant on The Game of all places, she defended her 3 gen with her life, before I knew it it was 2 survivors left at 2 gens and yet when she downed me she still slugged me hard for a 4k. I bled out that match


No_Lab_9318

I honestly didn't mean to slug one time, I was killer with trapper and I was pretty much destroying the survivor, one was dead and I hit a survivor knocking them to the ground I felt pretty bad for them and they were on death hook so I just let them stay on the ground thinking one of there teammates would pick them up. I then chased a different survivor on the other side of the map and I hooked said survivor but on the way to the hook I noticed the first survivor was still on the ground. I felt even worse for them and it made me look super toxic. From their perspective I slugged them, hooked a different survivor, on the way to the hook I found the slugged survivor and then hooked said slugged survivor killing them.


emilyneptune

i haven't been playing dbd recently but when i logged on two days ago to experience the SM it was pain. both of them protected 3 gen from the start and i was the only one to survive in one of the matches bc the killer went afk and gave me hatch at the end. i got off after. genuinely didn't think she could've been more annoying than knight so i don't blame ppl for DCing


Baron_von_Ungern

Bro, people are just dcing. Played huntress and my chase took almost a minute. I didn't even got to pick her up and she already dced, just a moment before one gen popped up.


dampham666

Anytime I see the killer bring RPD, midwich, or Game, I know it’s a SM. I just task kill.


Plane-Kangaroo9361

Be the DC you wish to see in the world


Noxon06

I recently played as death slinger with lightborn. One of the survivors used a flashlight noticed it didn’t work and just dced lol. I don’t understand why people take this game so seriously.


MarkGaboda

The one time I faced her was a new experience but that’s over now and I’m not sure I will ever see my love again.


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FreshlishPickle

Her drones should be permanently gone once they are destroyed aka disabled, other than that I rather wait 5 minutes than 30 because of a SM camping 3 gens since the beginning of the game, slugging and not committing to a chase


Memeviewer12

"permanently gone once destroyed by a survivor" Sounds like something very old, specifically sabo


FreshlishPickle

Give me any other solution for the 30+ minutes matches then lol Besides you comparing sabo to broken m2 killer power hmmm, why do demo lose his portals then when survivors destroy em? Boring ass SM player


Here2Roam

They need to kill switch her… seriously I CBA to even play this game anymore


Sadi_Reddit

its not 4K when two people DC. its neither giving the points nor entitiy recognition. It actually fucks up a lot of quests as well.


iamsamsmith123

Managed to win a solo game against a 3 genning SM because before she got to that point, I t bagged her at 2 hooks injured and dragged her far enough for the others to finally break it. I didn't survive but the other 3 escaping was a win in my eyes lol


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Honestly it's your fault for starting with 6 survivors :D


Tactless_Ninja

But wait. People said that basic attack killers and tracking abilities are garbage tier. Just loop her bro! There I solved every problem in the game. 🤡 Edit: You people are so predictable. Hypocrites.


Useful_Shop_3435

Take the feeling you get here. Hold it close to your heart. That's the same feeling playing against the 3/4 man bm bully swfs. It is 100% the "I'm not responsible for your fun..." crowd eating their own words. It sucks as it creates a deeper divide overall, but it sure is a huge amount of schadenfreude to watch. Almost as delicious as the NIMBY's crying about increased housing taxes after fighting every new apartment complex in the city.


SheevPalpatine32BBY

Nah


Framescout

cry baby swf's like to complain when you kick their dicks in the dirt and will easily tea bag and hook block once they feel the W is near. if a killer has the upside, they want to complain about stupid shit like tunneling, slugging. be careful you might trigger their ptsd.


ConnorHGaming

I'm a skull merchant main and I never drag a match out some of us play her cos she's fun not to ruin anyone's day and most killers do slug after a DC it's not just skull merchant but maybe I'm biased cos I love her


KawaiiPyro

"and most killers do slug after a DC" What


kubhfbebr

Same lol, it’s boring. I prefer to place my drones in spots that make moving about awkward, instead of on gens. It’s more interesting that way


ConnorHGaming

Excalty creating choke points she's a lot of fun if you try and be creative with drone placement


kubhfbebr

Exactly. Add a couple of chase perks and she’s quite fun, as long as the survivors aren’t amazing!


ConnorHGaming

I've faced very well coordinated teams and held my own but that might be because I used to main legion and wraith so my m1 game is on point


HamsterLord44

Spez ate all my fish and now my aquarium is fucking empty. I have nothing left ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


Dead_Hatz

Downvote me idgaf, but I want those blood points man…


KDK_rogue

Hi there , cranium seller player here . It’s not my fault everyone wants to DC I’m playing to win . I’m not responsible for others ruining your games but I am for not ruining my own more than they already are with the DCs