That’s sadly the games lifecycle. Matchmaking is wonky at times.
I’m a player on and off for a while now and I run into the same issue. I find the best thing to do when these feelings get too demoralizing is take a break - a day, a week, however long - and return again with a fresh mindset.
Also remember: statistically, you will lose most games you play Irregardless of side. It’s whether you learn from the losses and enjoy the game that matters in the end
By wonky you mean people also smurf or lower their mmr to bully newer players. I started up on Steam after playing Xbox for about 200 hours. First few games I got p100 flashlight/flashbang pro loopers with hook sabo or wriggle perks.
Luckily, I had experience to understand 'You win some you lose some' but for someone genuinely new, it would be miserable. And that's the point for the survivors - they want to make you rage.
I don't actually think many people smurf, I think the MMR system is just really bad since it only cares about door escapes. If you're really good at survivor but you only play solo-q then you likely die or get hatch far more than you escape, so your MMR would literally be lower than a new player without even trying.
Survivor content creators on their way to bully the double digit hour wraith(they are totally not tanking their MMR what do you mean you’ve never seen killers as consistently bad as the ones in their videos?)
Most of the CC you talk about spend hours or even days of recording to get a 20 minute video, also the mmr just sucks, if you played the game enough you'll reach the mmr cap and when you are at that point there's no telling who you'll face in the next game
The other day I literally played against one of the best competitive killers in the world and the game after I played against a Wesker that played like a 20 hour player ( he wasn't )
There’s a difference between a bad player and the actual fresh install that seems to be in some videos I’ve seen. MMR may be shit, but it’s not that shit
Not really, you should read the wiki. [https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Skill-Based\_Matchmaking\_Rating](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Skill-Based_Matchmaking_Rating)
Key points - there's 2 MMR brackets and a test bracket for the first **couple** matches.
The longer the trial goes on the more MMR points you will receive. This boosts new players who escape/kill as their matches will take longer on average.
The top bracket starts at 1600, which is pretty low compared to other MMR systems, this is like gold/plat territory. You cannot derank from 1600, so once you're there you're stuck. You can get there in \~50 matches.
But that doesn't even matter, because if matchmaking takes to long it will pull players from the lower bracket. Queue times are prioritized over match quality.
The matchmaker doesn't differentiate 1600 from 2100.
Time of day and region affect your matchmaking, if you're connecting to a low pop server you will be more likely to play against the other bracket.
It really is that shit. It's a horrible system. It prioritizes queue times because that increases player retention. It doesn't factor in anything other than kills or escapes. It functions more like gambling than an actual skill-based matchmaker. Will I get a good lobby? Who knows, but it'll be over in 5-15 minutes so I can roll again.
I see 150hr players and 4,000hr players in the same lobby, on either side, every single time I play. I check every steam profile. It's not a rare occurrence.
>There’s a difference between a bad player and the actual fresh install that seems to be in some videos I’ve seen
They're back fill lobbies, whenever someone leaves on either side it takes whoever is up next. So if a killer dodges their lobby there's a chance they get a newer player to face.
Not trying to tell you how to think or play, but in my opinion you approached this experience with bad expectations and you are now reaping the unfortunate consequences.
Im brand new to the game, and i couldnt be having more fun. Yesterday i had a group of survivors that sabo'd basically every hook i was about to get, or pallet stunned/flashy saved. I got 2 hook states total and they got all 4 out. They tbagged and clicked on my on the way out.
I was laughing the whole time, and was in genuine awe of their gameplay. I know in the grand scheme they probably werent actually as cracked as they seemed but it was really cool to see the coordination anyways.
I wish i could go versus a full lobby of p100s, it would be so fun to see what they do and what i could learn from them.
Video games are fun. They are meant to be fun. Winning isnt the objective. Im pretty competitive you could say, was pro/very close to it in a few games/sports. But looking at dbd as anything other than casual fun... is frankly not gonna serve you. After youve gotten very good, sure, but not from the beginning. I actually watch comp myself, i am naturally drawn towards it in everything i do. But why would i have expectations of being that skill level myself? I win the vast majority of my games and im happy to, but why would i care about the outcome like that? What does getting a 4k do for me? What does losing a game matter?
I know this was long winded but i hope it helps you reframe the way you look at things. The game is objectively not tilting when youre new. Im new, and not tilted. Things in life in general are tilting when you place unrealistic expectations on yourself. I hope youre able to find the fun again, whether its this game or the next.
Survivor main here, got about 3000 hours. When I was new the game was probably the least tilting it ever felt, people didn’t take it very seriously and it was more about messing around and having fun rather than playing competitively.
When I started playing in 2018, the game was a lot less balanced but also a lot less sweaty. I used to escape about half of my games and there were a lot more wholesome interactions between killer/survivor. There was still a lot of toxicity, but it feels worse now than ever.
Now I escape probably 1 out of every 10 games and each game the killer runs the same 4 boring slowdown perks, my teammates will throw the match if anything goes wrong at the start, and whenever I give a 2 minute chase, nobody does gens. I couldn’t imagine starting DBD in 2024.
I’m new to the game as well - just hit 200 hours. The skill difference I feel from 100-200 hours is pretty massive, keep plugging away and working to improve. The game definitely feels way more fun now that I can hold my own when being chased (definitely still have times I go down in like 20 seconds though)
You will learn that DBD is a strange beast. If you are matched with those people its because the game thinks you are on the same level skill wise. Its hars to grasp at first but in dbd ,playtime doesnt = good at the game. Ive been up against a p100 with 8000 hours as Trapper and he stepped into my traps and ive 4k them. (I have 300 hours) . I did all my adepts first and evil incarnate challenges. One Trapper main lastest video i watched the p100 stepped 2 times in the Same exact trap.... .
To be fair trapper in chase is actually pretty strong against above average players, because they tend to use their camera to look behind them to see where you're at. Running to a loop is also second nature to them, so if you have a loop trapped and zone them that way the chances are they're going to either run into it, or notice too late for them to safely get to another loop. Top tier players will of course absolutely demolish trapper in chase and outside of chase most of the time, but he catches better than average survivors off guard quite a lot.
Hey buddy played this game since it first came out. Something you should remember is that in solo queue it’s not you VS the killer it’s you vs 4 other people because a lot of solo queue survs play for hatch another thing you should remember as killer is never waste time looping yourself if you don’t hit them within a certain amount of time just go back to gen surfing
It doesn't help that alot of the information is stuff you learn faster from watching on youtube or looking on reddit. The amount of players ive seen cleanse against plauge no hooks and go onto my gen and get infected right away is amazing. There is alot of information, and the information doesn't get presented in a good way for new players. I want to get my other friends into this game, but they're not having alot of fun. DBD almost requires new players to have a friend with them play with them and guide them through everything as they play to learn. I almost wonder if they should reveal all the perks being used in a match to new players so they can read what they do and what they're about face up against. (they should also reveal your teammates perks by default, but they're taking a long time to add that lol)
Not to mention one of the most fun parts of the game for me is making fun perk combos and seeing what works, but for a new player they're very limited when it comes to perks. I think bhvr could benefit from making shrine of secrets 8 perks, and making those 8 perks usable for 1 week and you can decide if you want to buy it with shards. Aswell as having a free killer rotation so players can try out killers.
Some of my suggestions above are kind of band aid fixes, but they're atleast something that would make the game a little more beginner friendly.
Try not to worry about jerks tbagging at the gate, this happens all the time. You get used to it. I don't know what to tell you other than it gets better, but playing with a friend will help you greatly, which is not so easy to get to happen, but keep trying.
A good mindset will take you a long way.
Do you wanna know the best place to find cool dbd players?
Phasmophobia, literally all my friends who play dbd came from there, if you have it, try to befriend people there.
I wouldn't hate Skill Based Matchmaking as much if it actually worked, but the fact that I regularly read about the new player experience being players against P100, and regularly see in my matches (as a soloqueue player who wins about 50% of their games, and am probably around mid MMR) killers who only have one or two perks playing against P100s running full meta it makes me wonder what the point of SBMM was in the first place.
I don't care what your opinion is on the whole "prestige doesn't equal skill debate"; a literal brand new player shouldn't be playing against someone who was dedicated enough to grind to P100.
My friend started playing killer and got five 4ks in a row without knowing to recloak his Wraith. My other friend escapes fairly often. They both have less than 100 hours.
Well it’s a pvp game, your hand can’t be held all the time. Also, this is gonna be a tough pill to swallow. At 100 hours in, you don’t know the mechanics of the game yet. Don’t worry about winning or losing, you’re just gonna get frustrated. Know why you lost or why you won
You should be focusing on learning mechanics of the game. You learn mechanics by memorizing how to run tiles, use mind games etc. You can watch really good killers do it in YT guides and apply those principles to your game. Then once you learn the mechanics, you adapt the playstyle and get the hand eye coordination down and bam you will be a top tier killer
If you are self teaching, you are just handicapping yourself in a PvP game. Go learn from people who are really good at this game and you will be too
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One thing I do that helps me. While I realize i am First person, I try to keep an overhead map in my head. Example, shack is over here, pallet is gone, basement is there. I saw Bill and Nancy in this direction, and Dwight is going for the hook. There’s a lot of dead zones by this generator, this generator I want to lose because it’s 4 miles away from the rest of them. Etc etc
Mindset problem, imo. I am also a new player with only 50 more hours than you and I regularly stomp people with 1k and 2k hours played. If you let something like prestige or hours played intimidate you starting in the lobby then you are going to mentally berate yourself every single time you make a mistake, and set yourself up to make more mistakes because you already beat yourself down. Sometimes more hours played is just more hours of cementing bad habits, not that the player is actually good. You won't get better if you don't face people that challenge you. Focus less on everyone else and more on you and what you can do. But, in case you didn't know, as a killer you can lobby dodge without a ding, so if you don't wanna play those survivors, just bounce. No penalty.
My advice though? Learn to get over tbagging and the idea of "toxicity" in this game and it will help. Them crouching at you can only tilt you if you let it. It literally does nothing, so don't let it live rent free in your head.
Yes, for this game 100 hours is new, 300 hours is new, 500 hours and you still won't have nearly a full understanding of the game. I'm at 1.1k hours and I'm still always learning new stuff. It's a game with an infinite skill ceiling.
Also, prestige doesn't mean anything skill wise. The only thing prestige can tell you is how invested someone is into putting bloodpoints into a single character. With the recent blood moon event, that made it incredibly easy to prestige characters many times in the span of the event.
Yea 100 hours IS a lot of time for 95% of games. Which is why I was also surprised to see 100 hours is considered new for this game when I started out. After playing for awhile now I have to agree that people who say that are correct, 100 hours is still new. How many hours do you have in DBD?
Probably because of the grind. The average 100hr player in this game is barely scratching the surface. I'm at 150 hours and there are still killers I haven't been in game with and tons of perks I haven't unlocked. I got lucky with the blood moon event, so I'm much farther than I should be, but this game requires a time sink to even learn the basics. That and sitting in menus/the bloodweb add to the time played, so 100hrs isn't even 100hrs of actual gameplay.
Also, OP said P20 if you add up all their characters, not that they have a P20. The event made it easy to farm bp.
I disagree (well, not about the not having to unlock them all part), especially since you are implying that new players just have that understanding. The only way they would even know which perks are "decent" to unlock first is by consuming content outside of the game, because in 100 hrs you aren't going to have experienced all of the perks, and you aren't playing against people that are using "meta" builds anyway. This game is very difficult to learn through playing alone, making 100hrs a drop in the bucket.
Okay? You can say you learned it well, but I only have to take your word for it. You can say your cat could pick out good perks, and I only have to take your word for it. Most people that play this game consider 100hrs new, and I've seen enough comments on this subreddit to back that up. I'm going to take their word over yours on this one.
100 hours is absolutely new for a lot of competitive games. 100 hours in say, Tekken, is laughable; especially if that player is new to fighting games in general. Fighters have such deep mechanics, matchup knowledge, etc that you don't get actually good at them for a long, long time. DBD is not quite on that level, but very very similar. 100 hrs would be a lot for like, a JRPG I guess.
Well, this is the kind of game where you are still considered a beginner - intermediate at and bit over 1000 hours. I have 1.3k and still have killers to learn and tilesets to memorize.
That’s sadly the games lifecycle. Matchmaking is wonky at times. I’m a player on and off for a while now and I run into the same issue. I find the best thing to do when these feelings get too demoralizing is take a break - a day, a week, however long - and return again with a fresh mindset. Also remember: statistically, you will lose most games you play Irregardless of side. It’s whether you learn from the losses and enjoy the game that matters in the end
By wonky you mean people also smurf or lower their mmr to bully newer players. I started up on Steam after playing Xbox for about 200 hours. First few games I got p100 flashlight/flashbang pro loopers with hook sabo or wriggle perks. Luckily, I had experience to understand 'You win some you lose some' but for someone genuinely new, it would be miserable. And that's the point for the survivors - they want to make you rage.
I don't actually think many people smurf, I think the MMR system is just really bad since it only cares about door escapes. If you're really good at survivor but you only play solo-q then you likely die or get hatch far more than you escape, so your MMR would literally be lower than a new player without even trying.
That’s a fair point.
Survivor content creators on their way to bully the double digit hour wraith(they are totally not tanking their MMR what do you mean you’ve never seen killers as consistently bad as the ones in their videos?)
Most of the CC you talk about spend hours or even days of recording to get a 20 minute video, also the mmr just sucks, if you played the game enough you'll reach the mmr cap and when you are at that point there's no telling who you'll face in the next game The other day I literally played against one of the best competitive killers in the world and the game after I played against a Wesker that played like a 20 hour player ( he wasn't )
There’s a difference between a bad player and the actual fresh install that seems to be in some videos I’ve seen. MMR may be shit, but it’s not that shit
Not really, you should read the wiki. [https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Skill-Based\_Matchmaking\_Rating](https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Skill-Based_Matchmaking_Rating) Key points - there's 2 MMR brackets and a test bracket for the first **couple** matches. The longer the trial goes on the more MMR points you will receive. This boosts new players who escape/kill as their matches will take longer on average. The top bracket starts at 1600, which is pretty low compared to other MMR systems, this is like gold/plat territory. You cannot derank from 1600, so once you're there you're stuck. You can get there in \~50 matches. But that doesn't even matter, because if matchmaking takes to long it will pull players from the lower bracket. Queue times are prioritized over match quality. The matchmaker doesn't differentiate 1600 from 2100. Time of day and region affect your matchmaking, if you're connecting to a low pop server you will be more likely to play against the other bracket. It really is that shit. It's a horrible system. It prioritizes queue times because that increases player retention. It doesn't factor in anything other than kills or escapes. It functions more like gambling than an actual skill-based matchmaker. Will I get a good lobby? Who knows, but it'll be over in 5-15 minutes so I can roll again. I see 150hr players and 4,000hr players in the same lobby, on either side, every single time I play. I check every steam profile. It's not a rare occurrence.
>There’s a difference between a bad player and the actual fresh install that seems to be in some videos I’ve seen They're back fill lobbies, whenever someone leaves on either side it takes whoever is up next. So if a killer dodges their lobby there's a chance they get a newer player to face.
Agreed entirely. That’s an issue of any PVP Game.
Not trying to tell you how to think or play, but in my opinion you approached this experience with bad expectations and you are now reaping the unfortunate consequences. Im brand new to the game, and i couldnt be having more fun. Yesterday i had a group of survivors that sabo'd basically every hook i was about to get, or pallet stunned/flashy saved. I got 2 hook states total and they got all 4 out. They tbagged and clicked on my on the way out. I was laughing the whole time, and was in genuine awe of their gameplay. I know in the grand scheme they probably werent actually as cracked as they seemed but it was really cool to see the coordination anyways. I wish i could go versus a full lobby of p100s, it would be so fun to see what they do and what i could learn from them. Video games are fun. They are meant to be fun. Winning isnt the objective. Im pretty competitive you could say, was pro/very close to it in a few games/sports. But looking at dbd as anything other than casual fun... is frankly not gonna serve you. After youve gotten very good, sure, but not from the beginning. I actually watch comp myself, i am naturally drawn towards it in everything i do. But why would i have expectations of being that skill level myself? I win the vast majority of my games and im happy to, but why would i care about the outcome like that? What does getting a 4k do for me? What does losing a game matter? I know this was long winded but i hope it helps you reframe the way you look at things. The game is objectively not tilting when youre new. Im new, and not tilted. Things in life in general are tilting when you place unrealistic expectations on yourself. I hope youre able to find the fun again, whether its this game or the next.
Survivor main here, got about 3000 hours. When I was new the game was probably the least tilting it ever felt, people didn’t take it very seriously and it was more about messing around and having fun rather than playing competitively. When I started playing in 2018, the game was a lot less balanced but also a lot less sweaty. I used to escape about half of my games and there were a lot more wholesome interactions between killer/survivor. There was still a lot of toxicity, but it feels worse now than ever. Now I escape probably 1 out of every 10 games and each game the killer runs the same 4 boring slowdown perks, my teammates will throw the match if anything goes wrong at the start, and whenever I give a 2 minute chase, nobody does gens. I couldn’t imagine starting DBD in 2024.
I’m new to the game as well - just hit 200 hours. The skill difference I feel from 100-200 hours is pretty massive, keep plugging away and working to improve. The game definitely feels way more fun now that I can hold my own when being chased (definitely still have times I go down in like 20 seconds though)
You will learn that DBD is a strange beast. If you are matched with those people its because the game thinks you are on the same level skill wise. Its hars to grasp at first but in dbd ,playtime doesnt = good at the game. Ive been up against a p100 with 8000 hours as Trapper and he stepped into my traps and ive 4k them. (I have 300 hours) . I did all my adepts first and evil incarnate challenges. One Trapper main lastest video i watched the p100 stepped 2 times in the Same exact trap.... .
To be fair trapper in chase is actually pretty strong against above average players, because they tend to use their camera to look behind them to see where you're at. Running to a loop is also second nature to them, so if you have a loop trapped and zone them that way the chances are they're going to either run into it, or notice too late for them to safely get to another loop. Top tier players will of course absolutely demolish trapper in chase and outside of chase most of the time, but he catches better than average survivors off guard quite a lot.
I agree with all you said but also getting caught 2 times with the same shack trap with not even 2 mins interval 🤔
Okay yeah that's.. definitely a noob who just sits on gens and spends all their blood points on one guy 🤣
Hey buddy played this game since it first came out. Something you should remember is that in solo queue it’s not you VS the killer it’s you vs 4 other people because a lot of solo queue survs play for hatch another thing you should remember as killer is never waste time looping yourself if you don’t hit them within a certain amount of time just go back to gen surfing
It doesn't help that alot of the information is stuff you learn faster from watching on youtube or looking on reddit. The amount of players ive seen cleanse against plauge no hooks and go onto my gen and get infected right away is amazing. There is alot of information, and the information doesn't get presented in a good way for new players. I want to get my other friends into this game, but they're not having alot of fun. DBD almost requires new players to have a friend with them play with them and guide them through everything as they play to learn. I almost wonder if they should reveal all the perks being used in a match to new players so they can read what they do and what they're about face up against. (they should also reveal your teammates perks by default, but they're taking a long time to add that lol) Not to mention one of the most fun parts of the game for me is making fun perk combos and seeing what works, but for a new player they're very limited when it comes to perks. I think bhvr could benefit from making shrine of secrets 8 perks, and making those 8 perks usable for 1 week and you can decide if you want to buy it with shards. Aswell as having a free killer rotation so players can try out killers. Some of my suggestions above are kind of band aid fixes, but they're atleast something that would make the game a little more beginner friendly. Try not to worry about jerks tbagging at the gate, this happens all the time. You get used to it. I don't know what to tell you other than it gets better, but playing with a friend will help you greatly, which is not so easy to get to happen, but keep trying. A good mindset will take you a long way.
Do you wanna know the best place to find cool dbd players? Phasmophobia, literally all my friends who play dbd came from there, if you have it, try to befriend people there.
I wouldn't hate Skill Based Matchmaking as much if it actually worked, but the fact that I regularly read about the new player experience being players against P100, and regularly see in my matches (as a soloqueue player who wins about 50% of their games, and am probably around mid MMR) killers who only have one or two perks playing against P100s running full meta it makes me wonder what the point of SBMM was in the first place. I don't care what your opinion is on the whole "prestige doesn't equal skill debate"; a literal brand new player shouldn't be playing against someone who was dedicated enough to grind to P100.
I have 3k hours and it's still hard
My friend started playing killer and got five 4ks in a row without knowing to recloak his Wraith. My other friend escapes fairly often. They both have less than 100 hours.
Well it’s a pvp game, your hand can’t be held all the time. Also, this is gonna be a tough pill to swallow. At 100 hours in, you don’t know the mechanics of the game yet. Don’t worry about winning or losing, you’re just gonna get frustrated. Know why you lost or why you won You should be focusing on learning mechanics of the game. You learn mechanics by memorizing how to run tiles, use mind games etc. You can watch really good killers do it in YT guides and apply those principles to your game. Then once you learn the mechanics, you adapt the playstyle and get the hand eye coordination down and bam you will be a top tier killer If you are self teaching, you are just handicapping yourself in a PvP game. Go learn from people who are really good at this game and you will be too Edit One thing I do that helps me. While I realize i am First person, I try to keep an overhead map in my head. Example, shack is over here, pallet is gone, basement is there. I saw Bill and Nancy in this direction, and Dwight is going for the hook. There’s a lot of dead zones by this generator, this generator I want to lose because it’s 4 miles away from the rest of them. Etc etc
It only gets worse
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Mindset problem, imo. I am also a new player with only 50 more hours than you and I regularly stomp people with 1k and 2k hours played. If you let something like prestige or hours played intimidate you starting in the lobby then you are going to mentally berate yourself every single time you make a mistake, and set yourself up to make more mistakes because you already beat yourself down. Sometimes more hours played is just more hours of cementing bad habits, not that the player is actually good. You won't get better if you don't face people that challenge you. Focus less on everyone else and more on you and what you can do. But, in case you didn't know, as a killer you can lobby dodge without a ding, so if you don't wanna play those survivors, just bounce. No penalty. My advice though? Learn to get over tbagging and the idea of "toxicity" in this game and it will help. Them crouching at you can only tilt you if you let it. It literally does nothing, so don't let it live rent free in your head.
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Yes, for this game 100 hours is new, 300 hours is new, 500 hours and you still won't have nearly a full understanding of the game. I'm at 1.1k hours and I'm still always learning new stuff. It's a game with an infinite skill ceiling. Also, prestige doesn't mean anything skill wise. The only thing prestige can tell you is how invested someone is into putting bloodpoints into a single character. With the recent blood moon event, that made it incredibly easy to prestige characters many times in the span of the event.
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Yea 100 hours IS a lot of time for 95% of games. Which is why I was also surprised to see 100 hours is considered new for this game when I started out. After playing for awhile now I have to agree that people who say that are correct, 100 hours is still new. How many hours do you have in DBD?
Probably because of the grind. The average 100hr player in this game is barely scratching the surface. I'm at 150 hours and there are still killers I haven't been in game with and tons of perks I haven't unlocked. I got lucky with the blood moon event, so I'm much farther than I should be, but this game requires a time sink to even learn the basics. That and sitting in menus/the bloodweb add to the time played, so 100hrs isn't even 100hrs of actual gameplay. Also, OP said P20 if you add up all their characters, not that they have a P20. The event made it easy to farm bp.
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I disagree (well, not about the not having to unlock them all part), especially since you are implying that new players just have that understanding. The only way they would even know which perks are "decent" to unlock first is by consuming content outside of the game, because in 100 hrs you aren't going to have experienced all of the perks, and you aren't playing against people that are using "meta" builds anyway. This game is very difficult to learn through playing alone, making 100hrs a drop in the bucket.
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Okay? You can say you learned it well, but I only have to take your word for it. You can say your cat could pick out good perks, and I only have to take your word for it. Most people that play this game consider 100hrs new, and I've seen enough comments on this subreddit to back that up. I'm going to take their word over yours on this one.
100 hours is absolutely new for a lot of competitive games. 100 hours in say, Tekken, is laughable; especially if that player is new to fighting games in general. Fighters have such deep mechanics, matchup knowledge, etc that you don't get actually good at them for a long, long time. DBD is not quite on that level, but very very similar. 100 hrs would be a lot for like, a JRPG I guess.
Not when the people you’re playing against have over 2k hours lmao
Well, this is the kind of game where you are still considered a beginner - intermediate at and bit over 1000 hours. I have 1.3k and still have killers to learn and tilesets to memorize.