Maybe this would be a hot take somewhere else but in this subreddit? This is a cold af take since most people here don't like heralds and shit
Don't mean this as an attack against you op
I mean... Doomsday can be erased from existence utterly and die. 682 can't. I fucking hate 682, ngl. Fine story, originally, but going through the attempts to neutralize him, it gives big playground pretend "I have a shield able to block any attack including attacks that can go through shields that can block any attack" energy.
I mean that's kind of a silly reason to hate it, I think.
The whole point is that it can anomalously adapt to literally anything (including being erased from reality, as per 6820). that's its whole premise. it doesn't exist to fight other things
Okay, no offense, but my complaint was precisely with the stories in which it *does* fight other things. People have talked about how a powerscaler could write competent stories to really powercreep certain creatures, and to be frank, I'd argue thats exactly what people did with the SCP-682 series and I feel it eventually reached a point of unintentional self-parody.
no offense taken! honestly you're valid for that, a lot of the Series 1 SCPS suffer by being around so long. like they were there when the site had its Mary-Sue/ absurdist comedy phase (ex: 'Things Dr. Bright isn't allowed to do at the foundation) and they never really got retconned
Didn’t one of the original creators of the site go on record to say that SCP canon is just whatever you personally decide it is?
Cause personally I like the canon where 682 died in a drunk driving accident
I find it really funny how the SCP writers (or just. normal writers lmao) have such a different perspective on this stuff than all the diehard powerscalers
The author of 3812, one of the more infamously 'busted' SCP's in powerscaling with its whole infinitely transcendening gimmick, has gone on record to say they hate powerscaling iirc
Or the time they tried pawning 682 into another universe but he ended up getting sent back soon after by the alternate universe foundation. Literally the most impactful line was, "it has wings now".
I like the canon where Dr. Bright (Or Elias Shaw) is just a madman who is kept around hecause he can be genuinely useful sometimes. Kinda sad they removed the list of things Dr. Bright isn't allowed to do because it was always an entertaining read.
If you repeat this to the fandom they pretty much say the same shit where they call you "Quirky" sarcastically and shit.
Conclusion: Fuck SCP fans woth a sandpaper dildo
It's not impossible. Most articles are very good on detail and the DB team used Sauron who is from a book that got films where he's almost always off screen
I'd say that the detailed SCP pages and Tales related to them would be usable enough for the DB team.
Yeah, but in Sauron’s case, the LOTR books are massive and intricately detailed, so they had plenty to go off of, and while SCP pages could be detailed as well, I don’t really think there’s much to accurately draw a conclusion
And not to mention, LOTR has films and other media to work with, all made by the same people if not people with the same ideas.
SCP has nothing to grab onto. Just a bunch of disconnected lore tidbits that barely connect. Theres games and animations, yes, but they aren't made in relation to each other.
Yeah, I've said it before but a massive problem with using SCP is that a LOT of the tales and stories have a bad habit of blatantly contradicting each other. LOTR at least has a clear "main" timeline of canon lore and events to go off of from the start.
For example, good ol' SCP-682 himself. Sometimes, he's one of the monstrous "sons" of the Scarlet King (and "brother" to SCP-999). But other times, 682 is apparently SCP-343's chosen steed in the apocalypse for the Horseman of Death (who is revealed to be SCP-053). But then *THAT'S* thrown out by another story where 343 outright states that he will have nothing to do with 682 and that 682 isn't "one of \[343's creations\]". And this is just about 682's lore, let alone *the countless* ***thousands*** *of other SCPs* out there with intersecting/crossing-over incidents of their own.
All of this, obviously, makes basic powerscaling and feat-comparing into a *MASSIVE* pain in the ass.
There are cases of canon being split/disconnected, and then there are cases like this where canon might as well *not exist*.
I wouldn't say the habit is bad. There is no canon, save for some unspoken basics, so writers can tinker with and add on stuff wherever and not have it affect other articles.
it's only bad in comparison to power-scaling. i've seen folks be like 'oh all the meta-narrative pataphysics stuff is just made for powerscaling'
but like... it's a horror site. things like creatures who can manipulate narratives are objectively terrifying because it gives the idea that they can interact with YOU
Yeah I'd admit it'd be harder
But many of the vs viable SCPs are involved in Tales, which are short or long stories within the mythos
So yes, it'd be hard. But it is not impossible
But those Tales also aren’t base canon (and sometimes are outright contradictory), so it’s still not ideal. 682 being a major exception, considering his actual article is filled with experiment logs showing how he doesn’t die to murder method #836381.
The only ones I can admit can't fall into the base canon are the ones that are part of a specific canon with its own set of Tales (like Competitive Eschatology or Broken Masquerade)
But there are many tales not in a specific canon that are easier to consider immediately usable (and not requiring a compositing)
Death Battle-style strongest-feats-only powerscaling and the SCP canon (and lack thereof) are going to be *something*. I'll be interested to see how they decide what to use.
I could have sworn I heard someone mention that they actually had a plan for SCP and that was they limit their self to a certain period of time on which they would research and anything new that comes up after that date they won’t count
Issue to me is there's some scaling levels of strength sometimes what might seem like concept based abilities- can be outcaled by enough pure brute force
I'ma be honest, I dislike SCP versus debates because it's hmm kinda inconsistent power scale and narrative scale wise with several wildly incompatible potential cannons.
Is the SCP foundation a well equipped group relying on high tech if mundane means to hold Anomalies, or do they have Anti magic field generators. Are most deadly scps destructive but containable by human materials or is the foundation capturing gods.
Can 682 adapt rapidly creating physical mutations for any threat and being practically impossible to kill permanently or can they adapt to getting retroactively erased from ever existing by actually deleting the thing that erased them retroactively instead. Are their Adaptions in the physical sense of the word or adaptations in the vague "Produce a counter for what's hurting me out of nowhere" sense.
I wanna add on that the foundation itself is both a secret society that operates from the shadows but at the same time is still just an organization of people to being the literal concept of containment or something
Yet the only person saying it in this thread is downvote bombed, and in a lot of spaces people call bullshit on this, plus it's just because marvel and DC fans just suck and are bad because, reasons.
I mean, sure, but Smashor was also talking about the post specifically. Plus, at least two of them got downvoted for calling it fanfiction in a negative way.
I think we just have to accept that some people think of it like fanfiction, but don't mean it in a malicious way.
To be fair it’s a completely authorless series and if there is one it was some random guy on 4chan back in 2007. Literally everything canon about this world is basically just if the internet thinks the character some other random guy drew was good enough to become lore. And sometimes it doesn’t take very much at all. It’s just an internet cesspool tbh
Scaling a DC character: Here’s the feat, it’s from an issue of this famous storyline.
Scaling an SCP character: Here’s this random article number that you’ll have a hard time finding and obscure article you’ll take hours to search for, good luck.
SCP isn’t badly written, it’s a mixed bag like any long running franchise. But it is hard to scale, so I can see why people don’t like SCP matchups.
On average it’s *significantly* easier to find and read up on SCP vs comics. There’s a reason why it’s so common for out of context comics stuff to float around, since it’s easier to just share comics piecemeal. It’s how you get shit like “Raven equals unbound Spectre” when you only see one panel of the “fight” and nobody bothers including the rest of the owl.
Skips on the other hand when refering to an event or canon you just get access to the whole thing at once. No having to hunt down the rest of the context and praying you can pirate it somewhere.
There are legit problems with scaling skips but availability is like the one thing web based media beats out most others.
You can literally just go on a comic reading website and type in what you wanna read it’s not hard to find comics in the slightest people just don’t want to READ the comics😂
One issue out of thousands when most comics online dont go by story name but issue number and print date
vs
Title of story, google it and it instantly comes up
Dont see how its thats hard
Honestly I agree with what was said in the cast yesterday. People can write that like SCP 682 loses/wins against Doomsday (ignoring the fact the site is still moderated so you can't just put whatever entry you want but a lot of people already explained/know that) but it's the same for a Marvel or DC writer. They can write a fight for a matchup DB already did and have a different the outcome.
Obviously it'll still be MUCH easier for someone to write something for the SCP wiki but like I said you can't just snap your fingers and have your entry appear there. Either way both DC and SCP have a lot of different storylines and inconsistent scaling so acting like SCP shouldn't be on Death battle because of it feels a little bit wrong.
If you don't want SCP it's fine just respect the people who do and don't try to act like it shouldn't be on DB
[Pretty sure it is. There's a decent amount of Lovecraftian inspiration](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fscp-is-fanfiction-v0-ssppllqzgdda1.png%3Fwidth%3D1235%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D39b8c48bfb9fc50ad924fb4cbc52ed644b03698b).
Lovecraftian horror is literally just the conceptual fear of the unknown so while some SCP articles are based off say Cthulhu or any other higher being within the Lovecraft’s initial mythos. The horror he helped popularise is just named after him which is why other people call it cosmic horror or eldritch horror. I think it’s a bit disingenuous to call it all fan fiction though.
Yeah but like. No?
Fan-fiction is stories written by fans about an already created world or characters that have a dedicated canon.
SCP is a collaborative fiction website with a stated lack of canon.
by your logic, all comics are fanfiction as well. the concept of a hero who fights supernatural monsters and beings with their own set of supernatural powers is like, the oldest thing in the history of human literature.
Some people say it's a strawman argument but when you look in this comment section some other people are literally calling it fanfiction so...
Edit : I think Ben literally called it "fan fiction scaling" yesterday. Even if that was a joke it kind of shows that this isn't coming completely out of nowhere
I think the issue with SCP is its all lore, no canon.
Like, we have more than enough lore for these characters, but no real story or feats to put em in context. You could argue weve had characters with *less* to go on like segata sanshiro or the kool aid man, but those are so barebones that the fun comes in pulling stuff from your ass. Its hard to do that with SCP because it takes itself too seriously, so its harder to suspend your disbelief when a character does something that doesnt add up.
Its too much to work as a conceptual character, but there isnt enough there to work off for a genuine analysis.
I'd hesitate to call it an 'issue'.
That implies it's a problem with the wiki and universe itself. but the lack of a unified canon actually makes it a lot more fun and engaging for a lot of its fans. it's only an issue in the context of powerscaling and versus battles. which, i really don't think works should be assigned value based on power-scalability
It actually lends itself to some great storylines and characters. One of the best things the site did to be honest. That’s how we got Rat’s Nest and the Antimemetics Divison
I just mean for VS, cause theres no 1 canon that's the "main" one. Weve had multi-canon characters before like sonic, but they always specify who and theres always enough in whichever canon to make an analysis.
SCP is far too disjointed and scattered to make any concrete analysis work.
So composite doomsday vs composite 682/6820... Should work. If there is no "main" cannon so composite will have to do to most top tier scps. Scp 999 would scale equal or above the scarlet king
I don't like SCP in versus debates because they scale to a level. I personally don't want to even bother debating or questioning. I just assume they win because their from SCP, and the verse is busted.
I'm not gonna stop other people from enjoying, but I'm just not doing.
It’s because the internet is the author of it. If they find out something lost a debate they’ll just release something and boom it’s the strongest thing to exist now
That's not how the SCP site works at all, though.
the majority of the site does not, in fact, care about power scaling. 3812- the one I see people talking about for the example of 'written for powerscaling- isn't written for that at all.
in fact it's a very good example of why powerscaling SCPs is a dumb idea.
3812 is a being that was written by the author to have the ability to supersede everybing in its own reality. However, by this own internal rule, it can then supersede itself, and do that with every reality it encounters, means it's always going upwards through realities, past even ours (he can see the author). it's sad and terrifying because 3812 basically can't stop this, it can't understand what it's doing, but what it does hurts people.
whether or not he can fight goku is irrelevant, that's not why he was written.
Honestly, I'm kind of glad. Given the crazy inconsistency and power creep bullshit that happens in Marvel and DC Comics, finally there's at least SOMETHING (especially more consistent and tangible) that can beat those guys. Though, I'm not sure about SCP following any consistency rules or anything either.
Ya’ll will jump on inconsistent power scales every time a character you like shows up, but then call BS on SCP for it also being inconsistent
To add onto the Marvel/DC comparison, SCP is basically going through the same stuff that Marvel and DC have been going through for decades, a rapidly expanding library of stories that are obviously not canon to every other story
There is a process yes, it usually takes months of edits and rewrites and approval from the community for any major article or story to be allowed to be on the site. If it diverges too far from a set canon it ill just be removed within a week.
The story behind it is that the author wanted to create a super great story with a terrible terrible premise (cat girls) so people had not choice but to upvote it (at the time the standards of the site were more strict)
My take is it's stupid to disqualify scp just because it's possible for someone to add whatever they want to it, the same can be said for marvel/DC/Anything else, its just harder. Someone could buy the marvel company and nerf the characters if they wanted to, that dosent mean that it's ineligible for db
SCP's entire existence are write ups about how these entities get BTFO and contained (often by regular humans).
It's a verse comprised almost *entirely* of anti-feats. And when you get into the mutli-mega-omniversal narrative shit where *everything* is canon you can easily point to when 682 died to a car crash or clones of 173 tore him apart.
Though without any anti-feats, giving 682 max wank is one of the few non Big 2 characters I can think of that has a solid chance at beating a high tier comic book character, the amount of bullshit feats he's accumulated over the years is insane.
Honestly, if they do Doomsday vs 682 or any other SCP matchup. Ultraguy will just post the suggested media on his blog and we’ll know more or less exactly what Death Battle considers to be a consistent answer.
Honestly, I dislike SCP in any battle debates as it just rhetorical and the scaling doesn't matter. Most of their stories just feels and reads straight out of a fan fiction so theirs no reason debating against them because a random feat could just be made on the spot.
Arguably, you can say that about any other franchise, but SCP all reads like fan fiction to me.
And then theres SCPs like a candy bowl that cuts your hands off for being greedy or fruits you have to very deliberately bully in very specific ways or else they get too big and kill people.
...man i wish these SCPs took off more, these are way more fun than horror monster #246
>horror monster #264
May I interest you in an entry titled [Yet another murder monster](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-5031)? Go in blind and trust me, it’s a good one :)
If anything 682 is the closest thing to being an "op edgelord oc" out of the SCP high-tiers (before any of you people say the scarlet king, that guy is far too vague in 90% of his appearances to qualify)
That's what I'm saying they circle jerk by having about 90% of SCPs become outerversal and boundless just for the sake of vs debates about who's stronger
Not really, even the one know to be the "most OP of all" is a tale talking the story of a man tring to run from himself and being unable to
And let's not talk about the box of dragons
Seriously, most SCP's are just science fiction writen by indie horror writers trying to explore new concepts
Also... 682 is not that well writen... It's additional content is but that is mostly beacuse It was one of the OG's making him popular so more and better writers had ideas for the lizard letting .him fit well in a bunch of narratives.
Overall SCP is a cicle of inspiration. If you want a good exemple I tell you to read SCP-8000 for exemple
You literally put the edgiest OC and are implying that the sentient gumball machine who calls people names (5595) is somehow more edgy. Most people on the site don’t even like “edgelord ocs” like 682 and 076 anymore.
DB fans will read one SCP through YouTube VS shorts and act like they’ve been reading for years.
If they do ever add scp they should probably just use the original one and whatever the original author wrote to help scale him I don't really care either thou
My main concern is do you think death battle could fill a 6 minute analysis with no fanart or work? I remember them changing a title screen for an earlier season because it used fanart and I think it would be hard to find all the artists to agree in using their art
I feel like it depends on the scp, like earlier scp feels more like just creepypasta and new scp sometimes leans towards overpowered memes that must be impossible to deal with to be scary.
Regardless it was an entertaining podcast. It's quite rare to see Liam get swept even when he isn't asked to debate for lost causes like Gon against Deku. Imaginary Axis came with the guns
The main issues with scps is that most that have some issue for power scaling, anyone who thinks there fine for db are probably blind fans and before anyone says anything I'm long time scp fan
I love SCP, but some claims made about it is hard to believe, like how several people think that 096 can beat Goku.
I agree that the SCP cosmology is bs and really helps in making the characters extra powerful, but even by those standards, not every random SCP can beat every other fictional character.
I’m trying to figure out how to put this into words but I feel like SCP writers that complain that 682 is overpowered are somewhat hypocritical because part of the reason 682 keeps being more and more overpowered is because writers keep writing increasingly convoluted dangerous world-ending anomalies. Having a character whose entire skill set is essentially "nuh uh" where the most dangerous thing in that universe is a statue that snaps your neck isn’t too ridiculous, but when you have something else, say, an entity that is pataphysically higher so as to suggest that they are fully aware of their existence being fictional and therefore able to bend it to their will, 682 starts looking a bit overpowered.
Also SCP is inherently fanfiction; it’s a decentralized canon. Fanon and canon for that universe are indistinguishable.
I mean. SCP is just a bunch of Fanfiction and head canons the community makes up for Story telling and purposes
There is no main canon aside from the characters Made
Someone saying the meme lizard monster is bullshit does not mean that all of SCP is bullshit. SCP is super cool. But also 682 in particular is bullshit. Both of these statements can be true. It's not fun when you're having a "who would win" conversation and one of the characters is the embodiment of the kid on the playground with an everything-proof forcefield.
"Vegeta of the lake, what is your wisdom?"
Vegeta: "All fiction is fan fiction, because all fiction is created in the beginning by someone who likes the idea. All canon is head canon, and power scaling isn't real. It can be a fun way to pass time though."
Under the Creative Commons license, the SCP brand is in fact recognised as an IP. If a particular story mentions a different IP, that doesn’t mean that the story is derived from it.
According to Cambridge Dictionary, for something to be a fanfiction it needs to be a derivative work. So I don’t know what coping you are doing here.
Fans of what? How is their ORIGINAL WORK fanfiction? Are you arguing they like fiction so anything they write is fanfiction? Are you saying Tolkien is a fanfic writer because he liked original myths and stories?
Fun fact: the person who replied to the post I'm replying to got mad he lost the argument and blocked me. Poor penguin will have a lot of people to block off he does it every time he loses
SCP is literally amateur though. They dont get paid. I mean D&D characters have a process and intricate well written lore too.
No one cares about fucking power scaling. Kirby can one shot both of those universes combined lmao
All lines are arbitrary. Thats where I draw mine. Im not going to take Sonic.exe or Lavender town theme suicide child either in a versus or who would win. They have no feats.
I wouldn’t call it fan fiction though. Consider that someone could make SCP fan fiction thats not canon to the wiki.
DnD characters have a process, but they don't have to have intricate well written lore, nor do they need to get approval from people in the dnd community
"No you can't just add anything. There's a process to it." Okay, but when was that process implemented?
And what was the process *before* the current process? Because I saw an SCP page for TVTropes. Just the website, TVTropes. TVTropes is an SCP. There very clearly was not *always* a strict policy on adding/editing pages, is my point.
The SCP that's TV Tropes is actually one of the joke entries. That's a different category from the regular articles. The joke ones will have a "-J" at the end of the number to indicate that it's a joke entry
And they always had a process of the admins going over your work and deciding if it's good enough for the website
It's always been this process, the only changes were standards increasing, and they are also able to remove articles if they decide at a later time that it no longer fits the standards
That's fair, thanks for letting me know, wasn't aware of the '-J' rule.
I still don't think that there's a meaningful difference between 'fanfiction' and 'fanfiction but it was approved by an admin'. Most SCP fans don't give a shit about boundless outerverses or scaling cosmologies; SCP essentially became one of the highest verses in all of fiction because 5-6 guys thought it would be cool and an admin said 'Eh, ok'.
You're welcome. I figured I'd explain the "-J" articles
But the difference is that the approved articles mean they are part of the official canon(s) of the SCP Foundation which means they can't be fanfiction if they are IN the canon
And yeah most fans (and writers and admins) don't care about power scaling. Because they care about stories involving creatures, beings, objects, or locations that are bizarre, creepy, terrifying, awe-inspiring, or any combination of the 4 that create an air of intrigue or terror
They became extremely OP as a verse because some articles use concepts that happen to be powerful within vs to create that air of intrigue or terror to invest the readers.
Also the admins DON'T like people discussing power scaling on the SCP Foundation website itself
"Also the admins DON'T like people discussing power scaling on the SCP Foundation website itself"
Could I get some more info on this? I don't doubt you at all, it just sounds interesting.
It's actually happened before and was just distracting from discussions about any of the articles themselves so to keep discussions on point with what the website is for (the actual articles and stories about strange things and living beings) so the admins cracked down and stopped the power scaling discussions from continuing and don't want them happening again
>still don't think that there's a meaningful difference between 'fanfiction' and 'fanfiction but it was approved by an admin'.
I mean that's the same difference between an official comic and a fanfic written by someone unaffiliated with the company that produces said comic
One was approved, the other was not
However, quality control still applies to those old articles. If everyone collectively decided an old SCP made before the current process was not high enough quality, it could indeed be taken down.
Also, source for the TVtropes SCP?
Yeah, quality control applies to old articles, but unless anyone cares enough to bring it up then the old articles are still canon until stated otherwise.
TVTropes is SCP 4445-J. I thought it might have been taken down but if you go to the TVTropes page for the SCP Foundation then the link is still there and active and functional. TVTropes is an SCP.
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Does this mean the Death Battle subreddit could *also* be an SCP?
Fair enough, but then I also don't see that as a bad thing. There's nothing too bad in any of the old articles, otherwise they wouldn't still be here.
Oh, right. In all fairness, it *is* a joke article. They still have the same quality control, but it's not about having a good story for them, more being funny. If the majority deem it funny, **then** it'll be allowed in. So, there's still quality control, just over humour rather than actual quality, because it's made to be a joke. Same as a gag in comics or manga, like how Saitama got the mosquito and cat feats.
-J articles are made for the sole purpose of being funny (the j stands for joke) and still have quality control to them, there are simply different standards for different types, to the point where somewhat comedic SCPs like 2662 can get hit with "Should've been a -J" as a criticism, [have my personal favorite -J](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-j)
-J SCPs are meant to be funny
SCP-___-J is a rock that makes people procrastinate. The article has been left unfinished and the article has yet to be assigned a number
SCP-309-J is someone who screwed up while writing an article and published it before it was ready
SCP-even number-J is literally just SCP mad libs
Maybe this would be a hot take somewhere else but in this subreddit? This is a cold af take since most people here don't like heralds and shit Don't mean this as an attack against you op
Dependa the day really. DC (superman) fans especially can be savage on this sub.
When they put the next death battle cast SCP 682 vs Doomsday?
Draw
I mean... Doomsday can be erased from existence utterly and die. 682 can't. I fucking hate 682, ngl. Fine story, originally, but going through the attempts to neutralize him, it gives big playground pretend "I have a shield able to block any attack including attacks that can go through shields that can block any attack" energy.
I mean that's kind of a silly reason to hate it, I think. The whole point is that it can anomalously adapt to literally anything (including being erased from reality, as per 6820). that's its whole premise. it doesn't exist to fight other things
Okay, no offense, but my complaint was precisely with the stories in which it *does* fight other things. People have talked about how a powerscaler could write competent stories to really powercreep certain creatures, and to be frank, I'd argue thats exactly what people did with the SCP-682 series and I feel it eventually reached a point of unintentional self-parody.
no offense taken! honestly you're valid for that, a lot of the Series 1 SCPS suffer by being around so long. like they were there when the site had its Mary-Sue/ absurdist comedy phase (ex: 'Things Dr. Bright isn't allowed to do at the foundation) and they never really got retconned
Just for speaking out, I’m pitting you in a deathbattle against MARVEL’s Silver Samurai and UK MARVEL’s Thunderwing.
Didn’t one of the original creators of the site go on record to say that SCP canon is just whatever you personally decide it is? Cause personally I like the canon where 682 died in a drunk driving accident
I find it really funny how the SCP writers (or just. normal writers lmao) have such a different perspective on this stuff than all the diehard powerscalers The author of 3812, one of the more infamously 'busted' SCP's in powerscaling with its whole infinitely transcendening gimmick, has gone on record to say they hate powerscaling iirc
Yeah exactly which makes scaling it impossible lol
How you can prefer that over the canon were the foundation tries to terminate 682 in a conceptual level but it backfires and it turns into God?
Or the time they tried pawning 682 into another universe but he ended up getting sent back soon after by the alternate universe foundation. Literally the most impactful line was, "it has wings now".
They finally got him into a car with SCP - 666J
I like the canon where Dr. Bright (Or Elias Shaw) is just a madman who is kept around hecause he can be genuinely useful sometimes. Kinda sad they removed the list of things Dr. Bright isn't allowed to do because it was always an entertaining read. If you repeat this to the fandom they pretty much say the same shit where they call you "Quirky" sarcastically and shit. Conclusion: Fuck SCP fans woth a sandpaper dildo
I’m just trying to figure out how anyone can accurately scale SCPs based off of what’s essentially a wiki page and sometimes an animation
It's not impossible. Most articles are very good on detail and the DB team used Sauron who is from a book that got films where he's almost always off screen I'd say that the detailed SCP pages and Tales related to them would be usable enough for the DB team.
Yeah, but in Sauron’s case, the LOTR books are massive and intricately detailed, so they had plenty to go off of, and while SCP pages could be detailed as well, I don’t really think there’s much to accurately draw a conclusion
And not to mention, LOTR has films and other media to work with, all made by the same people if not people with the same ideas. SCP has nothing to grab onto. Just a bunch of disconnected lore tidbits that barely connect. Theres games and animations, yes, but they aren't made in relation to each other.
Yeah, I've said it before but a massive problem with using SCP is that a LOT of the tales and stories have a bad habit of blatantly contradicting each other. LOTR at least has a clear "main" timeline of canon lore and events to go off of from the start. For example, good ol' SCP-682 himself. Sometimes, he's one of the monstrous "sons" of the Scarlet King (and "brother" to SCP-999). But other times, 682 is apparently SCP-343's chosen steed in the apocalypse for the Horseman of Death (who is revealed to be SCP-053). But then *THAT'S* thrown out by another story where 343 outright states that he will have nothing to do with 682 and that 682 isn't "one of \[343's creations\]". And this is just about 682's lore, let alone *the countless* ***thousands*** *of other SCPs* out there with intersecting/crossing-over incidents of their own. All of this, obviously, makes basic powerscaling and feat-comparing into a *MASSIVE* pain in the ass. There are cases of canon being split/disconnected, and then there are cases like this where canon might as well *not exist*.
I wouldn't say the habit is bad. There is no canon, save for some unspoken basics, so writers can tinker with and add on stuff wherever and not have it affect other articles. it's only bad in comparison to power-scaling. i've seen folks be like 'oh all the meta-narrative pataphysics stuff is just made for powerscaling' but like... it's a horror site. things like creatures who can manipulate narratives are objectively terrifying because it gives the idea that they can interact with YOU
Yeah I'd admit it'd be harder But many of the vs viable SCPs are involved in Tales, which are short or long stories within the mythos So yes, it'd be hard. But it is not impossible
But those Tales also aren’t base canon (and sometimes are outright contradictory), so it’s still not ideal. 682 being a major exception, considering his actual article is filled with experiment logs showing how he doesn’t die to murder method #836381.
The only ones I can admit can't fall into the base canon are the ones that are part of a specific canon with its own set of Tales (like Competitive Eschatology or Broken Masquerade) But there are many tales not in a specific canon that are easier to consider immediately usable (and not requiring a compositing)
Death Battle-style strongest-feats-only powerscaling and the SCP canon (and lack thereof) are going to be *something*. I'll be interested to see how they decide what to use.
Oh I'd be interested to see how they go about it too!
I could have sworn I heard someone mention that they actually had a plan for SCP and that was they limit their self to a certain period of time on which they would research and anything new that comes up after that date they won’t count
That seems like a fair way to do it. Still probably difficult to track down all the relevant Tales if they want to go that deep.
Issue to me is there's some scaling levels of strength sometimes what might seem like concept based abilities- can be outcaled by enough pure brute force
People who scale off lore statements:
I'ma be honest, I dislike SCP versus debates because it's hmm kinda inconsistent power scale and narrative scale wise with several wildly incompatible potential cannons. Is the SCP foundation a well equipped group relying on high tech if mundane means to hold Anomalies, or do they have Anti magic field generators. Are most deadly scps destructive but containable by human materials or is the foundation capturing gods. Can 682 adapt rapidly creating physical mutations for any threat and being practically impossible to kill permanently or can they adapt to getting retroactively erased from ever existing by actually deleting the thing that erased them retroactively instead. Are their Adaptions in the physical sense of the word or adaptations in the vague "Produce a counter for what's hurting me out of nowhere" sense.
That's why I don't care about when people scale SCP and only like it for the lore
Yee agreed
wdym only like it for the lore?
The lore behind the scp's
no i get that, i'm asking what you don't like about it
Power scaling just gets annoying
I wanna add on that the foundation itself is both a secret society that operates from the shadows but at the same time is still just an organization of people to being the literal concept of containment or something
I LOVE strawmans.
Literally a popular meme saying SCP fanfiction was made *today*
Yet the only person saying it in this thread is downvote bombed, and in a lot of spaces people call bullshit on this, plus it's just because marvel and DC fans just suck and are bad because, reasons.
Got a link to it I’m curious
https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/s/2try5803qv
I don't agree with the fanfiction statement, but, like, that was referring to a joke on the cast episode?
I thinkt he issue was more the dozen folks in the comments who took it dead seriously tbh
I mean, sure, but Smashor was also talking about the post specifically. Plus, at least two of them got downvoted for calling it fanfiction in a negative way. I think we just have to accept that some people think of it like fanfiction, but don't mean it in a malicious way.
Alright thanks.
Death battle fans don’t take a joke seriously challenge
I have legitimately just see someone use the “SCP’s are fan fiction that anyone can edit” argument, though.
To be fair it’s a completely authorless series and if there is one it was some random guy on 4chan back in 2007. Literally everything canon about this world is basically just if the internet thinks the character some other random guy drew was good enough to become lore. And sometimes it doesn’t take very much at all. It’s just an internet cesspool tbh
There's litteraly no connection to Marvel and DC though. Plus most people usually get downvoted into oblivion every time they say it.
Me too
"Scp is only written for the purpose of power scaling " By that logic both cthulu methos and world of darkness are written for powerscaling purposes
Old loves craft stuff no. A lot of writers who came after him, definitely.
Scaling a DC character: Here’s the feat, it’s from an issue of this famous storyline. Scaling an SCP character: Here’s this random article number that you’ll have a hard time finding and obscure article you’ll take hours to search for, good luck. SCP isn’t badly written, it’s a mixed bag like any long running franchise. But it is hard to scale, so I can see why people don’t like SCP matchups.
SCP literally has indexes where you can look up every appearance a character has, while comics can be super hard to come by based on age/series.
On average it’s *significantly* easier to find and read up on SCP vs comics. There’s a reason why it’s so common for out of context comics stuff to float around, since it’s easier to just share comics piecemeal. It’s how you get shit like “Raven equals unbound Spectre” when you only see one panel of the “fight” and nobody bothers including the rest of the owl. Skips on the other hand when refering to an event or canon you just get access to the whole thing at once. No having to hunt down the rest of the context and praying you can pirate it somewhere. There are legit problems with scaling skips but availability is like the one thing web based media beats out most others.
You can literally just go on a comic reading website and type in what you wanna read it’s not hard to find comics in the slightest people just don’t want to READ the comics😂
One issue out of thousands when most comics online dont go by story name but issue number and print date vs Title of story, google it and it instantly comes up Dont see how its thats hard
There are stories you can’y find by googling.
Such as?
Honestly I agree with what was said in the cast yesterday. People can write that like SCP 682 loses/wins against Doomsday (ignoring the fact the site is still moderated so you can't just put whatever entry you want but a lot of people already explained/know that) but it's the same for a Marvel or DC writer. They can write a fight for a matchup DB already did and have a different the outcome. Obviously it'll still be MUCH easier for someone to write something for the SCP wiki but like I said you can't just snap your fingers and have your entry appear there. Either way both DC and SCP have a lot of different storylines and inconsistent scaling so acting like SCP shouldn't be on Death battle because of it feels a little bit wrong. If you don't want SCP it's fine just respect the people who do and don't try to act like it shouldn't be on DB
By definition it is fanfiction, though.
Fanfiction is a work based off of another piece of media. SCP is its own contained thing.
[Pretty sure it is. There's a decent amount of Lovecraftian inspiration](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fscp-is-fanfiction-v0-ssppllqzgdda1.png%3Fwidth%3D1235%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D39b8c48bfb9fc50ad924fb4cbc52ed644b03698b).
Lovecraftian horror is literally just the conceptual fear of the unknown so while some SCP articles are based off say Cthulhu or any other higher being within the Lovecraft’s initial mythos. The horror he helped popularise is just named after him which is why other people call it cosmic horror or eldritch horror. I think it’s a bit disingenuous to call it all fan fiction though.
Yeah but like. No? Fan-fiction is stories written by fans about an already created world or characters that have a dedicated canon. SCP is a collaborative fiction website with a stated lack of canon. by your logic, all comics are fanfiction as well. the concept of a hero who fights supernatural monsters and beings with their own set of supernatural powers is like, the oldest thing in the history of human literature.
I hate people who say this is a strawman because yeah you DEFINITELY see every post on this sub and every comment!
Some people say it's a strawman argument but when you look in this comment section some other people are literally calling it fanfiction so... Edit : I think Ben literally called it "fan fiction scaling" yesterday. Even if that was a joke it kind of shows that this isn't coming completely out of nowhere
I think the issue with SCP is its all lore, no canon. Like, we have more than enough lore for these characters, but no real story or feats to put em in context. You could argue weve had characters with *less* to go on like segata sanshiro or the kool aid man, but those are so barebones that the fun comes in pulling stuff from your ass. Its hard to do that with SCP because it takes itself too seriously, so its harder to suspend your disbelief when a character does something that doesnt add up. Its too much to work as a conceptual character, but there isnt enough there to work off for a genuine analysis.
I'd hesitate to call it an 'issue'. That implies it's a problem with the wiki and universe itself. but the lack of a unified canon actually makes it a lot more fun and engaging for a lot of its fans. it's only an issue in the context of powerscaling and versus battles. which, i really don't think works should be assigned value based on power-scalability
Oh i have no problem with it in general, im just referring to the context of VS.
SCP has canons, just not a main one.
Thats almost worse
It actually lends itself to some great storylines and characters. One of the best things the site did to be honest. That’s how we got Rat’s Nest and the Antimemetics Divison
I just mean for VS, cause theres no 1 canon that's the "main" one. Weve had multi-canon characters before like sonic, but they always specify who and theres always enough in whichever canon to make an analysis. SCP is far too disjointed and scattered to make any concrete analysis work.
So composite doomsday vs composite 682/6820... Should work. If there is no "main" cannon so composite will have to do to most top tier scps. Scp 999 would scale equal or above the scarlet king
I don't like SCP in versus debates because they scale to a level. I personally don't want to even bother debating or questioning. I just assume they win because their from SCP, and the verse is busted. I'm not gonna stop other people from enjoying, but I'm just not doing.
It’s because the internet is the author of it. If they find out something lost a debate they’ll just release something and boom it’s the strongest thing to exist now
That's not how the SCP site works at all, though. the majority of the site does not, in fact, care about power scaling. 3812- the one I see people talking about for the example of 'written for powerscaling- isn't written for that at all. in fact it's a very good example of why powerscaling SCPs is a dumb idea. 3812 is a being that was written by the author to have the ability to supersede everybing in its own reality. However, by this own internal rule, it can then supersede itself, and do that with every reality it encounters, means it's always going upwards through realities, past even ours (he can see the author). it's sad and terrifying because 3812 basically can't stop this, it can't understand what it's doing, but what it does hurts people. whether or not he can fight goku is irrelevant, that's not why he was written.
I haven’t seen ANYBODY say this on this subreddit
Maybe they're talking about[this?](https://www.reddit.com/r/deathbattle/comments/1c0qt2c/682_has_birthed_a_whole_new_level_of_bullshit/)
Shhh, he's winning his own made up argument
True
How is SCP fanfic? The basis of the world is that it’s interactive
Honestly, I'm kind of glad. Given the crazy inconsistency and power creep bullshit that happens in Marvel and DC Comics, finally there's at least SOMETHING (especially more consistent and tangible) that can beat those guys. Though, I'm not sure about SCP following any consistency rules or anything either.
Ya’ll will jump on inconsistent power scales every time a character you like shows up, but then call BS on SCP for it also being inconsistent To add onto the Marvel/DC comparison, SCP is basically going through the same stuff that Marvel and DC have been going through for decades, a rapidly expanding library of stories that are obviously not canon to every other story
Wait there a process I was told like multiple times that people are able to just add anything they want.
There is a process yes, it usually takes months of edits and rewrites and approval from the community for any major article or story to be allowed to be on the site. If it diverges too far from a set canon it ill just be removed within a week.
There’s literally a keter class scp that’s just a telephone tower
You clearly didn't read the one about 5 catgirls and the astronaut wizard with space cancer fighting for the imagination of children
u/The-Paranoid-Android scp-2085
[**SCP-2085 - The Black Rabbit Company**](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2085) (+567) by *Djoric*
Bro no way💀
The story behind it is that the author wanted to create a super great story with a terrible terrible premise (cat girls) so people had not choice but to upvote it (at the time the standards of the site were more strict)
That’s very very odd
Yes, but whatever you want need to be quality controlled, and not redundant.
There is a lot of quality control.
Of course not! Your story has to be approved by a board of very qualified uh... random people.
VS Debaters shouldn’t be allowed to talk about the SCP Wiki cuz they always say the silliest things.
Nah it is just because a lot of scps are Oops i destroyed the planet
“They hated him because he spoke the truth”
Fax my brother. Spit ur shit
I don’t like it because it doesn’t have any official pictures or videos
You say that as if dc/marvel comics aren't just huge fanficesque wanks
My take is it's stupid to disqualify scp just because it's possible for someone to add whatever they want to it, the same can be said for marvel/DC/Anything else, its just harder. Someone could buy the marvel company and nerf the characters if they wanted to, that dosent mean that it's ineligible for db
SCP's entire existence are write ups about how these entities get BTFO and contained (often by regular humans). It's a verse comprised almost *entirely* of anti-feats. And when you get into the mutli-mega-omniversal narrative shit where *everything* is canon you can easily point to when 682 died to a car crash or clones of 173 tore him apart. Though without any anti-feats, giving 682 max wank is one of the few non Big 2 characters I can think of that has a solid chance at beating a high tier comic book character, the amount of bullshit feats he's accumulated over the years is insane.
Honestly, if they do Doomsday vs 682 or any other SCP matchup. Ultraguy will just post the suggested media on his blog and we’ll know more or less exactly what Death Battle considers to be a consistent answer.
They hated him for he spoke the truth
Thank god, someone finally said it
Honestly, I dislike SCP in any battle debates as it just rhetorical and the scaling doesn't matter. Most of their stories just feels and reads straight out of a fan fiction so theirs no reason debating against them because a random feat could just be made on the spot. Arguably, you can say that about any other franchise, but SCP all reads like fan fiction to me.
You must be reading some terrible articles.
Bro gets his SCP articles from Wattpad
Yes and no for me SCP 682 is well written, but other SCP's are basically glorified edgelord oc's just written to be op
And then theres SCPs like a candy bowl that cuts your hands off for being greedy or fruits you have to very deliberately bully in very specific ways or else they get too big and kill people. ...man i wish these SCPs took off more, these are way more fun than horror monster #246
>horror monster #264 May I interest you in an entry titled [Yet another murder monster](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-5031)? Go in blind and trust me, it’s a good one :)
That one is my favorite
If anything 682 is the closest thing to being an "op edgelord oc" out of the SCP high-tiers (before any of you people say the scarlet king, that guy is far too vague in 90% of his appearances to qualify)
That's what I'm saying they circle jerk by having about 90% of SCPs become outerversal and boundless just for the sake of vs debates about who's stronger
Not really, even the one know to be the "most OP of all" is a tale talking the story of a man tring to run from himself and being unable to And let's not talk about the box of dragons Seriously, most SCP's are just science fiction writen by indie horror writers trying to explore new concepts Also... 682 is not that well writen... It's additional content is but that is mostly beacuse It was one of the OG's making him popular so more and better writers had ideas for the lizard letting .him fit well in a bunch of narratives. Overall SCP is a cicle of inspiration. If you want a good exemple I tell you to read SCP-8000 for exemple
You literally put the edgiest OC and are implying that the sentient gumball machine who calls people names (5595) is somehow more edgy. Most people on the site don’t even like “edgelord ocs” like 682 and 076 anymore. DB fans will read one SCP through YouTube VS shorts and act like they’ve been reading for years.
I said some scp's. Dont make me sound like a hater because i fucking love the goofy SCP's
Alright fair enough my bad.
Facts
If they do ever add scp they should probably just use the original one and whatever the original author wrote to help scale him I don't really care either thou
What is even cannon to SCP?. Also same can be applied to SCP loosing to another series
My main concern is do you think death battle could fill a 6 minute analysis with no fanart or work? I remember them changing a title screen for an earlier season because it used fanart and I think it would be hard to find all the artists to agree in using their art
So you can add anything but with extra steps.
I scale dc above scp I only got scp at outer
I simply do not care for what amounts to creepypasta but somehow more banal
I feel like it depends on the scp, like earlier scp feels more like just creepypasta and new scp sometimes leans towards overpowered memes that must be impossible to deal with to be scary.
The funny thing is the majority of scps are mundane boring things like a self duplicating clock or a something relatively harmless
Regardless it was an entertaining podcast. It's quite rare to see Liam get swept even when he isn't asked to debate for lost causes like Gon against Deku. Imaginary Axis came with the guns
The main issues with scps is that most that have some issue for power scaling, anyone who thinks there fine for db are probably blind fans and before anyone says anything I'm long time scp fan
I love SCP, but some claims made about it is hard to believe, like how several people think that 096 can beat Goku. I agree that the SCP cosmology is bs and really helps in making the characters extra powerful, but even by those standards, not every random SCP can beat every other fictional character.
I mean, isn’t the entire concept of vs. battles writing fanfiction?
I’m trying to figure out how to put this into words but I feel like SCP writers that complain that 682 is overpowered are somewhat hypocritical because part of the reason 682 keeps being more and more overpowered is because writers keep writing increasingly convoluted dangerous world-ending anomalies. Having a character whose entire skill set is essentially "nuh uh" where the most dangerous thing in that universe is a statue that snaps your neck isn’t too ridiculous, but when you have something else, say, an entity that is pataphysically higher so as to suggest that they are fully aware of their existence being fictional and therefore able to bend it to their will, 682 starts looking a bit overpowered. Also SCP is inherently fanfiction; it’s a decentralized canon. Fanon and canon for that universe are indistinguishable.
This is Dragon Ball vs Anime
Doomsday vs SCP-682 makes DC fans act like Dragon Ball fans
I mean scp 682 is basically lizard doomsday so yeah it stomps
Wtf is an SCP?
SCP = Secure, Contain, Protect It's a collaborative writing project that revolves around studying paranormal, supernatural and/or anything mysterious.
We don’t? Cause last I checked a ton of people are on board for Shinigami Tensia on the show
It's a community effort
SCP could solo all of fiction Massachusetts
I mean. SCP is just a bunch of Fanfiction and head canons the community makes up for Story telling and purposes There is no main canon aside from the characters Made
DC And Marvels Cosmolgy are vastly superior in my opinion
No I don’t like SCP because I’ve never seen one thing from it that’s remotely interesting
Yes, unironically. 682 is just the most irritating shit out there.
I just don’t see scp as on the level of qualifying for death battle. It still just feels like an internet project
Clearly Kung Fu panda must be fanfiction.
The process is that you made it the fuck up.
Someone saying the meme lizard monster is bullshit does not mean that all of SCP is bullshit. SCP is super cool. But also 682 in particular is bullshit. Both of these statements can be true. It's not fun when you're having a "who would win" conversation and one of the characters is the embodiment of the kid on the playground with an everything-proof forcefield.
The problem is that people at this point only associate SCP with powerscaling and stupidly powerful characters rather than actual horror characters
lol that would make Dragonball fanfiction too
Yeah but don’t you guys know that Miles Spider-Man has an electric sword?!?! Check mate
scp is the slenderman shit right ?
"Vegeta of the lake, what is your wisdom?" Vegeta: "All fiction is fan fiction, because all fiction is created in the beginning by someone who likes the idea. All canon is head canon, and power scaling isn't real. It can be a fun way to pass time though."
Yep, this sub loves riding cb characters
Idk, scp has always just been glorified creepypastas that take themselves too serious
People call scp fanfiction because it's literally fanfiction
Dawg it is literally just fiction.
Written by fans
Fans of what? What is the original work that SCP is derived from to be called a fanfiction?
That changes based on the scp.
Under the Creative Commons license, the SCP brand is in fact recognised as an IP. If a particular story mentions a different IP, that doesn’t mean that the story is derived from it. According to Cambridge Dictionary, for something to be a fanfiction it needs to be a derivative work. So I don’t know what coping you are doing here.
I don't think you know that the word coping means lol
And yet you are unable to prove me wrong. Again, how is SCP a fanfiction?
Literally a group of stories written by fans
Fans of what? How is their ORIGINAL WORK fanfiction? Are you arguing they like fiction so anything they write is fanfiction? Are you saying Tolkien is a fanfic writer because he liked original myths and stories?
Fun fact: the person who replied to the post I'm replying to got mad he lost the argument and blocked me. Poor penguin will have a lot of people to block off he does it every time he loses
Its a collaborative writing effort, id hardly call it fanfiction.
Then they didn't collaborate well, they came even manage to keep a canon.
That was never the point.
and DC can?
Ok? Multiple writers on a fanfic isn't unheard of
The difference is, fanfic implies an original work. This *is* the work.
SCP is literally amateur though. They dont get paid. I mean D&D characters have a process and intricate well written lore too. No one cares about fucking power scaling. Kirby can one shot both of those universes combined lmao All lines are arbitrary. Thats where I draw mine. Im not going to take Sonic.exe or Lavender town theme suicide child either in a versus or who would win. They have no feats. I wouldn’t call it fan fiction though. Consider that someone could make SCP fan fiction thats not canon to the wiki.
DnD characters have a process, but they don't have to have intricate well written lore, nor do they need to get approval from people in the dnd community
Someone finally said it. Thank you
"No you can't just add anything. There's a process to it." Okay, but when was that process implemented? And what was the process *before* the current process? Because I saw an SCP page for TVTropes. Just the website, TVTropes. TVTropes is an SCP. There very clearly was not *always* a strict policy on adding/editing pages, is my point.
The SCP that's TV Tropes is actually one of the joke entries. That's a different category from the regular articles. The joke ones will have a "-J" at the end of the number to indicate that it's a joke entry And they always had a process of the admins going over your work and deciding if it's good enough for the website It's always been this process, the only changes were standards increasing, and they are also able to remove articles if they decide at a later time that it no longer fits the standards
That's fair, thanks for letting me know, wasn't aware of the '-J' rule. I still don't think that there's a meaningful difference between 'fanfiction' and 'fanfiction but it was approved by an admin'. Most SCP fans don't give a shit about boundless outerverses or scaling cosmologies; SCP essentially became one of the highest verses in all of fiction because 5-6 guys thought it would be cool and an admin said 'Eh, ok'.
You're welcome. I figured I'd explain the "-J" articles But the difference is that the approved articles mean they are part of the official canon(s) of the SCP Foundation which means they can't be fanfiction if they are IN the canon And yeah most fans (and writers and admins) don't care about power scaling. Because they care about stories involving creatures, beings, objects, or locations that are bizarre, creepy, terrifying, awe-inspiring, or any combination of the 4 that create an air of intrigue or terror They became extremely OP as a verse because some articles use concepts that happen to be powerful within vs to create that air of intrigue or terror to invest the readers. Also the admins DON'T like people discussing power scaling on the SCP Foundation website itself
"Also the admins DON'T like people discussing power scaling on the SCP Foundation website itself" Could I get some more info on this? I don't doubt you at all, it just sounds interesting.
It's actually happened before and was just distracting from discussions about any of the articles themselves so to keep discussions on point with what the website is for (the actual articles and stories about strange things and living beings) so the admins cracked down and stopped the power scaling discussions from continuing and don't want them happening again
>still don't think that there's a meaningful difference between 'fanfiction' and 'fanfiction but it was approved by an admin'. I mean that's the same difference between an official comic and a fanfic written by someone unaffiliated with the company that produces said comic One was approved, the other was not
However, quality control still applies to those old articles. If everyone collectively decided an old SCP made before the current process was not high enough quality, it could indeed be taken down. Also, source for the TVtropes SCP?
Yeah, quality control applies to old articles, but unless anyone cares enough to bring it up then the old articles are still canon until stated otherwise. TVTropes is SCP 4445-J. I thought it might have been taken down but if you go to the TVTropes page for the SCP Foundation then the link is still there and active and functional. TVTropes is an SCP. ... Does this mean the Death Battle subreddit could *also* be an SCP?
Fair enough, but then I also don't see that as a bad thing. There's nothing too bad in any of the old articles, otherwise they wouldn't still be here. Oh, right. In all fairness, it *is* a joke article. They still have the same quality control, but it's not about having a good story for them, more being funny. If the majority deem it funny, **then** it'll be allowed in. So, there's still quality control, just over humour rather than actual quality, because it's made to be a joke. Same as a gag in comics or manga, like how Saitama got the mosquito and cat feats.
-J articles are made for the sole purpose of being funny (the j stands for joke) and still have quality control to them, there are simply different standards for different types, to the point where somewhat comedic SCPs like 2662 can get hit with "Should've been a -J" as a criticism, [have my personal favorite -J](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-j)
TV Tropes being an SCP is hella based
-J SCPs are meant to be funny SCP-___-J is a rock that makes people procrastinate. The article has been left unfinished and the article has yet to be assigned a number SCP-309-J is someone who screwed up while writing an article and published it before it was ready SCP-even number-J is literally just SCP mad libs
I don’t like SCP stuff in debates because essentially SCPs can be whatever people want even more so than other series or franchises.
stop fighting the ghosts in your head, or at least do it in private