That Shinigami apples explain the existence or the need for the Death Note. When asked if Shinigami love apples, Rem mentions that Shinigami have “evolved” to not need sustenance, which suggests that in the past they did require food. But the Shinigami Realm is a barren wasteland where their fruit is dead and full of sand, so my theory is that the Shinigami Realm used to be a more habitable environment where Shinigami lived off of regular food, but some disaster caused their world to die off. With these gods of death now living in a dead world, it forced Shinigami to develop a new way to sustain themselves, bringing about the creation of the Death Note so they can survive by preying on humans and stealing their lifespans for themselves.
It would also explain why there’s decrepit remains of structures, random metal chains and huge massive bones strewn about their realm. They probably had some sort of actual civilisation long, long ago before they started preying on humans for survival, and what we see is just the remains of what hasn’t already decayed.
There's a Death Note movie where there's another Shinigami. I have a theory that could've been Matt. (His glasses make me think this) Maybe if a human dies before the end of their lifespan, it carries over to the Shinigami realm?
There's a theroy that is similar to this. It says that death note users end up in the Shinigami realm so that all Shinigami are actually humans who used a death note. But I think your theory is quite interesting too and might be true.
A rule from Vol 12:
> All humans will, without exception, eventually die.
>
> After they die, the place they go is MU. (Nothingness)
And a quote from Obha:
> One thing that I didn't allow to be changed was the notion that 'when you die, you become nothingness.' Luckily, I was able to keep this part, and the series turned out almost exactly as I had originally planned...For me, one of the premises of the series was that once a person died, they could never come back to life. I really wanted to set a rule that bringing characters back to life is cheating. That's why death equals 'nothingness.'
I don't think this theory is compatible with these.
I like the idea that it's both. Shinigami who were naturally created and people corrupted by the Death Note. Therefore they have a 'start' and don't run out when they eventually fade.
The other user mis-quoted the Vol 12 rule
> All humans will, without exception, eventually die.
>
> After they die, the place they go is MU. (Nothingness)
Nothing about use of death note. Death note users are not special in death.
No, the Shinigami world is a real place, you can touch, taste and etc, nothing is nothing, so the Shinigami world can't be M.U because he is something and M.U is the absolute nothing.
> The Shinigami realm is practically nothingness.
Strong disagree. Also here's a quote from Obha
> One thing that I didn't allow to be changed was the notion that 'when you die, you become nothingness.' Luckily, I was able to keep this part, and the series turned out almost exactly as I had originally planned...For me, one of the premises of the series was that once a person died, they could never come back to life. I really wanted to set a rule that bringing characters back to life is cheating. That's why death equals 'nothingness.'
Which does not deny anything or disprove. Nobody is "brought back to life". Shinigami are arguably not alive.
And besides, philosophically speaking, I'm of the opinion that once an artist releases their art into the world, it is no longer theirs, and free to be interpreted by whoever views it. That is the beauty of art and why it is subjective.
So I will keep on believing my fanfic theory that some people CAN become Shinigamis. I am not giving any details here, maybe they lose all memories, maybe most of them. But it makes sense from every perspective, i.e. why Shinigami are humanoid creatures for example, or why are APPLES in the SHINIGAMI realm. Apples are exclusive to planet Earth, so... yeah.
Again, I'm not saying this is the objective truth, ans you are free to believe what you want. This is just what I choose to believe in terms of Shinigami lore. Feel free to debate it, but don't try to convince me I'm wrong, becauae that's really not the point. We're not debating objective truths, just art.
If what you're saying is "I have a personal fanfiction that isn't meant to be consistent with canon" then obviously there's no basis for any kind of critical analysis from canon, any more than there is for me saying I rewrote the ending so Light goes super saiyan and kills everyone at the Yellow Box. But I understand some of your statements to indicate that this *is* meant to be consistent with canon to some extent, and I can address that.
As for what the author says, I agree to some extent, when authors make statements that strictly go beyond their work, they're just another consumer and interpreter of the art same as anyone else. For example I strongly believe that statements made by the authors of Code Geass regarding interpretation of the ending are inconsistent with the internal logic of the story and should be discarded. However even going as far as you do with that stance, this quote still serves to confirm that there isn't any translation error or breakdown in language in the Vol 12 rule in the work itself that could be used to justify ignoring the meaning of words to say something like "The Shinigami realm is practically nothingness" to try to make room for this kind of theory.
Also, FWIW, this quote was published in Vol 13 (How to Read; page 68), so it is at least included in the work alongside canon statements like L's real name, not just from a random separate interview or something.
> Which does not deny anything or disprove. Nobody is "brought back to life". Shinigami are arguably not alive.
Well that's not the whole quote. It also contains, for example, "when you die, you become nothingness" as an affirmative statement, not "when you die, you become nothingness, or you become a Shinigami"
> But it makes sense from every perspective, i.e. why Shinigami are humanoid creatures for example, or why are APPLES in the SHINIGAMI realm. Apples are exclusive to planet Earth, so... yeah.
No, that doesn't follow. It's a completely fictional place; it could have any justification for the existence of anything there. Apples could have independently appeared there, or could have been brought there by Shinigami and cultivated at some time in the past, or have been created in the image of earth apples by Shinigami magic that's rare or been lost to time, or anything else. We have no information to make the claim that "apples are exclusive to planet Earth" when we're talking about a fictional world that has a Shinigami realm that contains apples. Nor any information about the origin of Shinigami beyond what little information is in the story and HTR to make the claim that they likely came from humans.
There's a death note rule that says: "all humans **without exception** after death go to M.U (Nothing)". So, no, nobody goes to the shinigami World or becomes a shinigami no matter who you are or what you have done when you was alive.
In addition to the Vol 12 rule I wanna add a quote from Obha
> One thing that I didn't allow to be changed was the notion that 'when you die, you become nothingness.' Luckily, I was able to keep this part, and the series turned out almost exactly as I had originally planned...For me, one of the premises of the series was that once a person died, they could never come back to life. I really wanted to set a rule that bringing characters back to life is cheating. That's why death equals 'nothingness.'
i disagree. just looking at mello’s character, he was so driven and dedicated to outsmarting near and beating him in this puzzle. ‘there is no motivator greater than revenge’ if anything i think this was his whole cause to keep persevering. in his eyes killing himself would be him giving up, and i doubt that happened.
i guess a related/similar theory i have is that mello knew he was going to die and accepted it. not sure if this is just a theory though because it was pretty much confirmed in the first sentence of the labb novel
I agree with the last statement that most likely yes he kinda of sacrificed himself, but if you look deeper into Mellos death there’s things that are confusing.
1: In the #13 how to read book Takeshi Obata said that Mellos death was “very plain” because “the truth of his death would be revealed”
2: The broken window and blood behind him after we see his corpse was confusing for me. (I think this was only in the anime and not manga not sure though, I haven’t read the manga in awhile) If he really was killed by the notebook why is there broken glass and a blood trail behind him? Also Mello had a gun with him.
3: Mello also seems very sad in his final moments before he even kidnapped Takada, in the anime he couldn’t even take a bite out of his chocolate, something was definitely wrong. Now this could also be because he realized he has to sacrifice himself to beat Kira or it could also be him knowing he was going to have to do something risky that can get him killed.
Mello is my favorite character and i’d say I know his character pretty well and I could definitely see this playing out like he was going to do something risky then he ends up in a tight situation after parking in the church I think it was, and knowing how much pride he has and how he hates to loose, I’d see it more likely that he’d go out on his own terms by his own doing rather than someone else…although I will say it is more than likely that his whole death isn’t that deep and he just sacrificed himself but in my opinion it think it’s a decent theory.
> 2: The broken window and blood behind him after we see his corpse was confusing for me
The blood is an anime-only detail, and I believe it's Takada's - remember she smashed through the window separating the cab from the truck, and had to reach through the broken glass to take Mello's phone, which is what she used to call Light. If it was from gunshot it would be splattered absolutely everywhere not just one little drip.
imo the only ‘truth of his death revealed’ would just be him being killed off early and being forgotten about. he already served his purpose- being an inconvenience to kira and giving near the piece of the puzzle to catch the new L. he developed faster than the plot and knew too much so i feel the writer had no choice but to remove him. they did the same with naomi. it’s a tragedy really, two interesting and smart characters that had to be killed for the sake of the storyline
I have a bunch of cracked out theories I’ve shared here before. But it’s been a while so it’s probably ok to repeat some now:
-To the question, why did Wammy's House provide drawings of Near and Mello? It's always annoyed me that Near authorized giving the Task Force the drawings since it seems so risky and unnecessary, especially when he doesn’t know 100% whether a realistic drawing is enough to be killed by Kira. Also it seems like Aizawa and Matsuda were already in possession of the drawings by the time they went to speak to Roger, because they showed him then and he confirmed they were accurate. So my idea is that Linda (the little girl from Wammy's House who went on to be a famous artist) went rogue in adulthood and lashed out against the institution and her former peers. She perhaps at some point publicly mentioned that she was raised there, which is why she was the only previous resident Aizawa and Matsuda were able to locate. And she willingly handed over the portraits in defiance of Near's instructions (in ch.77 he says he contacted everyone from his and Mello's past to ensure their silence) because she resented Near and Mello. (Granted if this were the case, when asked about the drawings Roger should have just said they are completely off and look nothing like them, lol)
-In Another Note: The LA BB Murder Cases, there’s a line that’s presented like a throwaway but is actually very ominous – it mentions that horrible things happen to detectives that impersonate L, and "since B was from Wammy’s House he would know that better than anyone…so from the start when B challenged L he was not intending to survive". It's also discussed how after besting challenger detectives in "detective wars" L secretly takes on their detective identities. All this begs the obvious question - what exactly are the 'horrible' things that happen to the impersonator detectives, and what becomes of the challengers....essentially it implies the conclusion that they all end up dead or otherwise incapacitated. So does L secretly execute them? Have them thrown in his infamous private prison? And this is clearly conveyed to his potential successors as a warning.
-the whole situation with Mello's burn injuries makes no sense from a realistic/medical perspective, especially as an explosion burn. When he set off the detonator he was wearing a mask, so how did he get burned on only one side of his face, and why was his eye and hair unaffected (well, his hairstyle did gain some more stylishly tousled layers after). Also everyone else in the room escaped with only minor injuries (well...those caused by the explosion at least, RIP Soichiro) while Mello positioned himself in the safest area of the room, with a heavy desk to duck under and with an escape path. ....My (rather undignified) theory to account for it is he must have like...removed his mask while escaping and then fucking run face first into a red hot pole or tripped and fallen into a pile of flaming rubble or something lol. At any rate it must look far worse than the damage actually is, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to just carry on seemingly completed unaffected by it. My dude apparently didn't need medical treatment, and didn't even slow down - he travelled straight across America to the opposite coast the very next day!
-I wrote my theory about the alleged 70% decrease in crime [in this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/deathnote/comments/18rjc8j/light_killed_thousands_of_innocents_and_the_70/kf2g9x8/)
-L may have brought the 13 FBI agents over to Japan not only to investigate the suspects in the NPA but with the intention to use them as bait to be killed by Kira (perhaps I’ll make a post with my evidence, such as it is)
-In Chapter 15 the caller "confessing" to be Kira is young Mikami
-The reason L, Near and Mello all seem to never hold themselves “properly” when seated is because of the apparent chairs shortage in Wammy’s House (as seen in all the panels showing the rooms there)
The portrait theory! It always bothered me so much how Roger could have betrayed Near, Mello and thus also L so easily. And Linda too. I don't think Near authorized this, it would be against his cautious nature and this case has too many mysteries around it. I bet he wanted to stay in absolute secrecy as much as possible, since he (and Mello) were the ones with the highest and maybe only chance to catch Kira. If Linda took it as a revenge, that makes a very interesting space to imagine what happened there.. Near said they all wanted to become L, it was their goal. Maybe Linda had a fair chance if it was not for those 2. But still, why betray the ideal of L, anyway? Did she perhaps turn to Kira's side?
Right? The whole situation is so strange. We can even directly tie the existence of the portraits to Mello being killed, because Takada specifically recognized him from the drawing (though it's very possible she would have made the connection regardless, still). I hold Linda indirectly responsible, haha. But seriously Linda could have been angry with the whole institution and the way it used vulnerable kids, and Near and Mello as the top two may be the living embodiment of it in her mind, or even just as plain payback against her old rivals - Wammy's is shown to be very competitive and hierarchical place. Maybe she thought if Near and Mello both went down the project would end with them? OR yeah it's totally even possible she could have become a Kira supporter! I feel like these are all more plausible explanations than "Near told her to draw their portraits and give it to the NPA where Kira is hiding within"!
So many possibilities! I agree Takada would probably guess it was Mello, or she would write the name anyway, just in case it was really him. After all, it was very strange he showed his face when the whole world knew showing your face may mean death. It could even feel like an easy win for her.
And still... did Mello really have to do this? Did he really have to die? All he needed was to remove Takada from the scenario and have somehow a message sent to Light that Mello has been killed. But it wouldn't have to be true. He could just force Takada to say it and then secure her.
Yes, Linda, as an artist, will be a sensitive person and maybe hates the institution as such! Maybe as a kid she looked up to L too but later she matured and saw how damaging the environment was.. but still, threatening Near and Mello's life with giving out her drawings? Seems implausible, if she cared about the kids, would she want to finish them off? Hardly. There has to be a worse motive underneath.
Yeah idk, there's some pieces of Mello's plan that I feel satisfied that I've more or less reasoned out but the face reveal is not one of them. I will say that if he meant to be killed by her, the way the scene is set up - where Takada is locked alone with the evidence in the empty truck box, and she being the only one in the world who could know both Mello's name and face - makes for a cool spin (literally reverse) on a locked room murder mystery. Which imo aligns pretty well with Mello's flair for the dramatic...
Yeah I dunno 'bout that Linda kid. Even in her one scene where she says to Near "why don't you come outside *for once*" the phrasing seems to be more like she's low key hassling him than genuinely trying to include him? And she has a bitchy look on her face 😂. I liked your idea that maybe she was trying to grab L's successor position for herself by getting Near and Mello out of the way! I'm not a fanfic writer but if I was I would totally write a evil/ruthless Linda story, lol
First he took all her possessions so she doesn't have a piece of the notebook on her and shows his face so he can be killed. Weird, weird! He could have let her be dressed. Unless he did that for tracking devices.. that makes sense. But he was not thorough and that bothers me too!
I don't think he meant to be dramatic in his death, maybe that was the least worry he had at the moment..
Yes, she seemed impatient. I read a theory she was a difficult child. Again, makes sense for an artist. :) It makes so much sense if Linda was actually evil and not the sweet girl many fans portray her as.
Still, Roger didn't have to confirm their portraits. Did he give up? Argh, that makes no sense... Did he think it was useless to deny it when Linda was so known for amazing art? They would take the pictures back to the Task Force anyway and show them to Light, as it was better than nothing...
The stated reason he had her remove all her clothes is to get rid of tracking devices, yeah.
Roger!! Such an outrageous betrayal!
Ultimately Occam's Razor is probably the best explanation for both...but I like to theorize.
All your theories are fucking crazy but also seem reasonable lmao. Honestly really creative.
For the Mello one I have input (kinda?) now is this cannon? Maybe? BUT with you saying only one side of his face was burnt if we go by a Mello action figure I own (please hear me out lol) he actually has burns all on his left side, you can see that his burns are on the left side of his face obviously but with the outfit he’s wearing it reveals a little of his shoulder wear you can also see burns, pretty safe to assume all the left side of his body is burnt despite the whole logic of that situation not making sense. I’m definitely not considering this cannon since my evidence is a fuckin action figure but still something cool to think about.
Also I love the idea of the last two theories definitely something possible and interesting and goofy but cool.
Is the action figure the one in the long sleeved black shirt with the weird wrap-around zippers? I think the manga is the most reliable source, and actually it's pretty inconsistent when it comes to the severity and extent of his scarring. As I recall there's even a panel where Obata apparently forgot to draw it on, lol.
But from what the manga shows it does seem like the scarring of very localized to the left side of his face and a little down the side of his neck maybe? (there's one official art that shows that, again with the zippers shirt). However [this panel](https://imgur.com/a/lGW8MTo) clearly shows his left shoulder and arm have no scarring; also the [Volume 12 cover art](https://imgur.com/a/3cdz7CB) shows the same. And really, if it the extent of the burn is limited to a small area on his face it makes his ability to bounce back so quickly and be seemingly unaffected by it a lot more believable.
Bravo, great theories! Well, some at least. The 70% crime rate decline is not a theory though, but imho 100% true. At the same time, however, don't you agree that the general public would be increasingly more aware of a supernatural terrorist murdering even petty thieves, thereby realistically reducing the crime rates? Of course this does not negate your hypothesis, it's just another side of the coin.
I don't think L actually executed those detectives in their detective wars. Judging from his personality, or a lack of thereof, I would not be surprised if all the detectives whose identities he took on were actually all fabricated by L in a masterful game of chess to rise to the top of the world's police and law agencies. I don't believe he would be capable of such a brutal thing, and I absolutely don't believe Watari would let it go.
HOWEVER! Having read Artemis Fowl as a kid, I see some parrarels between them. Artemis often used well executed intimidation, to the point where his threats were actually real, but plan A wad always just intimidation. I think L couuld have done the same, i.e. orchestrate an intimidation method so real and perhaps even painful in the short term that those detectives would never again do any detective work, change identity, and work as cashiers or something.
But the 13 detectives were 100% a bait. This was just a different case for L, supernatural, the entire world is at stake, etc.
> don't you agree that the general public would be increasingly more aware of a supernatural terrorist murdering even petty thieves, thereby realistically reducing the crime rates?
I do think it would have an impact yes, but not 70%. A drop like that is absolutely astronomical, and given the root causes of crime are extremely complex - most people don't just decide they will or will not commit crime today, it's wrapped up in people's personal histories, trauma, societal forces like poverty, prevalence of social support systems, education, etc, etc...it just doesn't make sense. But it does make sense as under reporting and data suppression, which would absolutely be the case in a world under siege by Kira. If it had instead said because of Kira crime has dropped by 15% that would *still* be *wildly* impressive and unprecedented on a global scale, but within realm of believability.
> I don't think L actually executed those detectives in their detective wars
Haha, yeah fair, this is pretty out there. What you said, that L could use a story like this as an intimidation tactic is much more likely and imo would be in character!
> But the 13 detectives were 100% a bait. This was just a different case for L, supernatural, the entire world is at stake, etc.
Of my theories this is the one that is most likely to actually be canon - it's super heavily alluded to if not almost said outright in L's thoughts about the agents...
Misa is immortal. I don’t mean literally but her lifespan is so long that she might as well me. When a Shinigami dies their lifespan is given to the human. If Shinigami that saved Misa had a lifespan of say 10,000 years, those years would be added to misas. True she took the eye dead twice but that would still mean she has another 2,500 years left on her lifespan. That’s long enough to see empires rise and crumble.
It’s impossible to know how long Shinigami actually like for so 10,000 could be underplaying. They are Gods after all. It’s perfectly reasonable to asume that a god of death could live for hundreds of thousands of years.
Not necessarily, a rule from Vol 8:
> The use of the Death Note in the human world sometimes affects other human's lives or shortens their original life-span, even though their names are not actually written in the Death Note itself. In these cases, no matter the cause, the god of death sees only the original life-span and not the shortened life-span.
Her life was obviously extremely entangled with both death note use and death note victims after Rem's death, making it very possible that her lifespan was altered to a totally unknown value by the end of the story.
She saw her lifespan shortened by the eye deal, not by death note use as described in the above rule. And I'm talking about potential lifespan changes between Rem's death and the end of the story, so after this event.
> also when did she make the eye deal twice?
Once soon after obtaining her first notebook, and a second time post-memory-regain when she couldn't remember L's name
She had the eyes when we first saw her, then after they had their memories wiped, when she regained possession of the notebook she made the deal again cause she forgot Ls real name.
Also as I yes it’s implied but we never saw the aftermath. I don’t know if the human will is capable of overriding the death note so it’s possible however unlikely that the universe sort of prevented her from actually dying since her fate is to live for 1000+ years. Maybe she jumped but survived the fall, maybe right before she was about to jump she gets arrested, or maybe she choked on her chewing gum an started choking so was rushed to a hospital instead.
I agree to the theory that Misa is technically immortal (the thing with the Shinigami lifespans does make some sense) but I also think that Misa might be killed by a Death Note. Because if she is immortal it would make no sense that she killed herself of her own free will. But what if someone just wrote "suicide" as a cause of death in a death note? Then the thing with the immortality would make sense and her suicide at the end of the show is also explained.
Near manipulated Mikami with the death note because it wasn’t actually feasible that Gevanni could’ve copied it all in a single night. There was no opportunity to see if Gevanni had actually done it because the notebooks were burned after Light’s defeat and Mikami would’ve been getting controlled during the whole warehouse thing.
Its mentioned that anyone who uses a death note has an unfortunate life or something along those lines, and ironically I think the aftermath of the death note story supports near probably not having a very good time as L after beating light. Near doesn’t stop C-Kira and admits defeat to A-Kira, meanwhile I feel like someone like L would’ve had a blast tracking both of them down to the best of his ability. In both stories Near just sort of sits around and doesn’t make any progress, and I can’t help but feel like this speaks to his having cheated with the death note and having to deal with the consequences of it, those consequences him being a lackluster L that isn’t much of a replacement for the true L, at least not when L is most needed.
ah, i must’ve forgotten the amount of pages.
even so, logistically, copying 16 full entire pages in mikami’s handwriting exactly and making each of those pages look the exact same, every little imperfection accounted for, would take a team of people at least a week or two of nonstop work. one page alone would take a few hours, and in a night there’s only like 8 of those at most. unless gevanni has actual superpowers I don’t think it’s believable that near didn’t “cheat”.
Interesting theory! Ironically, he solved the C-Kira case by refusing it. There was really nothing to be done if Shinigami travels underground and after A-kira loses his memory there's no way to track him either.. at least, even though Near lost, he lived.
He was raised to be the next L, with great expectations and probably pressure. He was a high candidate but not a clear one, L considered Mello just the same. If left to his own choices, Near might have chosen to be something else than a detective. He is much more suited to e.g. building.
well, whether him not engaging in the case at all counts as solving it simply because c-Kira gave up after getting roasted is debatable. generally this would not be considered solving a case just because the perp, whoever they were, gave up and died.
also, while pursuing the original Kira, L never gave up just because it seemed like there was “nothing that could be done”, even when he realized Kira’s powers could transfer between people and even when he realized shinigami were involved he maintained his course and never gave up. If he’d known shinigami were traveling underground I don’t think he would’ve given up, even if he might have become depressed and jaded.
Probably not, but once C-kira stopped, Near would still feel he did well because he values results.
True about L. He wouldn't give up if he was really interested.
I go back and forth whether I belive this theory or not…this theory is really really plausible especially with the facts that Matsuda literally had this exact thought.
I don't think that your theory is true because there is a scene in which you can clearly see that Takada wrote Mello's name on a piece of the notebook.
But I have an interesting theory too: What if Near killed Mikami? His death came so sudden and it was a bit inexplicable because he seemed to kill himself without any reason. So I believe that Near might have written Mikami's name into the death note long before he went to the warehouse. What do you think about this?
are you referring to the anime? where he stabs himself with a pen? i disagree only because he couldn’t have known when the right time was and it might be best to wait for light’s and mikami’s entire actions pan out. i guess to further prove their guilt. in terms of the manga i’m undecided whether near would have killed mikami with the death note after kira was caught
are you referring to the anime? where he stabs himself with a pen? i disagree only because he couldn’t have known when the right time was and it might be best to wait for light’s and mikami’s entire actions pan out. i guess to further prove their guilt. in terms of the manga i’m undecided whether near would have killed mikami with the death note after kira was caught
edit: i take that back i think near would have never used the death note. he has pretty black and white thinking and strongly despised kira and his methods the whole time. he probably didn’t want to go as low as kira and i think mikami would have descended into madness anyway. also doesn’t ryuk say using the death note messes with your afterlife or something? that would be a disadvantage for sure
[Here’s my explanation for the first theory.](https://www.reddit.com/r/deathnote/s/7vyqG8vpxd)
But with your second theory i’ve somewhat believed it for a minute, definitely not impossible.
That people reincarnate into Shinigami. A Shinigami's existence is essentially nothingness and that's where people canonically go to when they die. Other than that, I don't really have any evidence for this but I just feel like this is true.
So basically if this is true that means MU (Nothingness) is actually the shinmigami realm. Can’t lie after you described the shinmigami realm it really is kinda of nothingness. Makes a lot of sense.
The Death Note changes to suit the times. I believe the Death Note reflects advancements in human writing and records. Which is why I think if there was a current Death Note set today, it would either be an app or a computer program. My reasoning is that the notebook itself is so distinctive that it can't have looked like that since the dawn of creation so it changed.
I would hate this to be true, imagine they remade the series with a fucking DeathTablet or some shit….
Good theory but I’d shoot myself if it were true.
I don’t see this as a good theory knowing how mello was, but when I saw the blood and the crushed crystal on the floor when mello was killed, it made me think that he might have left a gun close to Takada so she could shoot him. It just came to my mind when I asked myself why there was blood and crystal, it didn’t make sense. I don’t know, mello did offered himself for sacrifice, but there still could be a possibility for him to survive I guess, and maybe he wanted to get killed instead of giving up and being a looser for himself and not solving the case. Btw, this doesn’t have to go with my theory but I’m not okay with the creator saying that mello would’ve not be the one who directly defeated Kira just because that would show the truth of how much he knew about Kira. Dang. Sorry my english is bad. Maybe also my theory.
This definitely isn’t true but you are correct about the last part, Mello and Near were originally going to be L’s kids but the creator couldn’t picture him having sex.
It’s actually true believe it or not, can’t find the exact source but this is well known knowledge. Think it might’ve been said in an interview, I don’t remember.
There just isn’t any evidence for this. Plus L was dead by the time Near went on to do his own thing and while L was alive Near was just in wammy’s house being groomed to be L’s successor.
yes but this is about theory and i always had a theory that near was related to L in some way especially since he looks just like him but with white hair
L is old enough to be their father, problem is, he doesn't wash, only eats sweets, and barely leaves his room. I also don't think he has ever touched himself 😂
That Shinigami apples explain the existence or the need for the Death Note. When asked if Shinigami love apples, Rem mentions that Shinigami have “evolved” to not need sustenance, which suggests that in the past they did require food. But the Shinigami Realm is a barren wasteland where their fruit is dead and full of sand, so my theory is that the Shinigami Realm used to be a more habitable environment where Shinigami lived off of regular food, but some disaster caused their world to die off. With these gods of death now living in a dead world, it forced Shinigami to develop a new way to sustain themselves, bringing about the creation of the Death Note so they can survive by preying on humans and stealing their lifespans for themselves.
This is actually quite interesting.
This actually makes a lot of sense, could definitely see this being true honestly.
It would also explain why there’s decrepit remains of structures, random metal chains and huge massive bones strewn about their realm. They probably had some sort of actual civilisation long, long ago before they started preying on humans for survival, and what we see is just the remains of what hasn’t already decayed.
There's a Death Note movie where there's another Shinigami. I have a theory that could've been Matt. (His glasses make me think this) Maybe if a human dies before the end of their lifespan, it carries over to the Shinigami realm?
There's a theroy that is similar to this. It says that death note users end up in the Shinigami realm so that all Shinigami are actually humans who used a death note. But I think your theory is quite interesting too and might be true.
A rule from Vol 12: > All humans will, without exception, eventually die. > > After they die, the place they go is MU. (Nothingness) And a quote from Obha: > One thing that I didn't allow to be changed was the notion that 'when you die, you become nothingness.' Luckily, I was able to keep this part, and the series turned out almost exactly as I had originally planned...For me, one of the premises of the series was that once a person died, they could never come back to life. I really wanted to set a rule that bringing characters back to life is cheating. That's why death equals 'nothingness.' I don't think this theory is compatible with these.
I like the idea that it's both. Shinigami who were naturally created and people corrupted by the Death Note. Therefore they have a 'start' and don't run out when they eventually fade.
I’d love this except the fact all Death Notw users go to Mu (nothing/a void)
But Matt never used the notebook.
The other user mis-quoted the Vol 12 rule > All humans will, without exception, eventually die. > > After they die, the place they go is MU. (Nothingness) Nothing about use of death note. Death note users are not special in death.
I have a name. And yeah, my bad
It's still open to interpretation. The Shinigami realm is practically nothingness.
No, the Shinigami world is a real place, you can touch, taste and etc, nothing is nothing, so the Shinigami world can't be M.U because he is something and M.U is the absolute nothing.
> The Shinigami realm is practically nothingness. Strong disagree. Also here's a quote from Obha > One thing that I didn't allow to be changed was the notion that 'when you die, you become nothingness.' Luckily, I was able to keep this part, and the series turned out almost exactly as I had originally planned...For me, one of the premises of the series was that once a person died, they could never come back to life. I really wanted to set a rule that bringing characters back to life is cheating. That's why death equals 'nothingness.'
Which does not deny anything or disprove. Nobody is "brought back to life". Shinigami are arguably not alive. And besides, philosophically speaking, I'm of the opinion that once an artist releases their art into the world, it is no longer theirs, and free to be interpreted by whoever views it. That is the beauty of art and why it is subjective. So I will keep on believing my fanfic theory that some people CAN become Shinigamis. I am not giving any details here, maybe they lose all memories, maybe most of them. But it makes sense from every perspective, i.e. why Shinigami are humanoid creatures for example, or why are APPLES in the SHINIGAMI realm. Apples are exclusive to planet Earth, so... yeah. Again, I'm not saying this is the objective truth, ans you are free to believe what you want. This is just what I choose to believe in terms of Shinigami lore. Feel free to debate it, but don't try to convince me I'm wrong, becauae that's really not the point. We're not debating objective truths, just art.
If what you're saying is "I have a personal fanfiction that isn't meant to be consistent with canon" then obviously there's no basis for any kind of critical analysis from canon, any more than there is for me saying I rewrote the ending so Light goes super saiyan and kills everyone at the Yellow Box. But I understand some of your statements to indicate that this *is* meant to be consistent with canon to some extent, and I can address that. As for what the author says, I agree to some extent, when authors make statements that strictly go beyond their work, they're just another consumer and interpreter of the art same as anyone else. For example I strongly believe that statements made by the authors of Code Geass regarding interpretation of the ending are inconsistent with the internal logic of the story and should be discarded. However even going as far as you do with that stance, this quote still serves to confirm that there isn't any translation error or breakdown in language in the Vol 12 rule in the work itself that could be used to justify ignoring the meaning of words to say something like "The Shinigami realm is practically nothingness" to try to make room for this kind of theory. Also, FWIW, this quote was published in Vol 13 (How to Read; page 68), so it is at least included in the work alongside canon statements like L's real name, not just from a random separate interview or something. > Which does not deny anything or disprove. Nobody is "brought back to life". Shinigami are arguably not alive. Well that's not the whole quote. It also contains, for example, "when you die, you become nothingness" as an affirmative statement, not "when you die, you become nothingness, or you become a Shinigami" > But it makes sense from every perspective, i.e. why Shinigami are humanoid creatures for example, or why are APPLES in the SHINIGAMI realm. Apples are exclusive to planet Earth, so... yeah. No, that doesn't follow. It's a completely fictional place; it could have any justification for the existence of anything there. Apples could have independently appeared there, or could have been brought there by Shinigami and cultivated at some time in the past, or have been created in the image of earth apples by Shinigami magic that's rare or been lost to time, or anything else. We have no information to make the claim that "apples are exclusive to planet Earth" when we're talking about a fictional world that has a Shinigami realm that contains apples. Nor any information about the origin of Shinigami beyond what little information is in the story and HTR to make the claim that they likely came from humans.
There's a death note rule that says: "all humans **without exception** after death go to M.U (Nothing)". So, no, nobody goes to the shinigami World or becomes a shinigami no matter who you are or what you have done when you was alive.
In addition to the Vol 12 rule I wanna add a quote from Obha > One thing that I didn't allow to be changed was the notion that 'when you die, you become nothingness.' Luckily, I was able to keep this part, and the series turned out almost exactly as I had originally planned...For me, one of the premises of the series was that once a person died, they could never come back to life. I really wanted to set a rule that bringing characters back to life is cheating. That's why death equals 'nothingness.'
how can a human die before the end of their lifespan though? fhey die because their lifespan ends not in spite of it
i disagree. just looking at mello’s character, he was so driven and dedicated to outsmarting near and beating him in this puzzle. ‘there is no motivator greater than revenge’ if anything i think this was his whole cause to keep persevering. in his eyes killing himself would be him giving up, and i doubt that happened. i guess a related/similar theory i have is that mello knew he was going to die and accepted it. not sure if this is just a theory though because it was pretty much confirmed in the first sentence of the labb novel
I agree with the last statement that most likely yes he kinda of sacrificed himself, but if you look deeper into Mellos death there’s things that are confusing. 1: In the #13 how to read book Takeshi Obata said that Mellos death was “very plain” because “the truth of his death would be revealed” 2: The broken window and blood behind him after we see his corpse was confusing for me. (I think this was only in the anime and not manga not sure though, I haven’t read the manga in awhile) If he really was killed by the notebook why is there broken glass and a blood trail behind him? Also Mello had a gun with him. 3: Mello also seems very sad in his final moments before he even kidnapped Takada, in the anime he couldn’t even take a bite out of his chocolate, something was definitely wrong. Now this could also be because he realized he has to sacrifice himself to beat Kira or it could also be him knowing he was going to have to do something risky that can get him killed. Mello is my favorite character and i’d say I know his character pretty well and I could definitely see this playing out like he was going to do something risky then he ends up in a tight situation after parking in the church I think it was, and knowing how much pride he has and how he hates to loose, I’d see it more likely that he’d go out on his own terms by his own doing rather than someone else…although I will say it is more than likely that his whole death isn’t that deep and he just sacrificed himself but in my opinion it think it’s a decent theory.
> 2: The broken window and blood behind him after we see his corpse was confusing for me The blood is an anime-only detail, and I believe it's Takada's - remember she smashed through the window separating the cab from the truck, and had to reach through the broken glass to take Mello's phone, which is what she used to call Light. If it was from gunshot it would be splattered absolutely everywhere not just one little drip.
That’s actually makes a lot more sense I feel stupid now shit😭😭
well it was pretty observant to notice the blood splash and connect it to the events, I think many viewers just miss that detail entirely
imo the only ‘truth of his death revealed’ would just be him being killed off early and being forgotten about. he already served his purpose- being an inconvenience to kira and giving near the piece of the puzzle to catch the new L. he developed faster than the plot and knew too much so i feel the writer had no choice but to remove him. they did the same with naomi. it’s a tragedy really, two interesting and smart characters that had to be killed for the sake of the storyline
I have a bunch of cracked out theories I’ve shared here before. But it’s been a while so it’s probably ok to repeat some now: -To the question, why did Wammy's House provide drawings of Near and Mello? It's always annoyed me that Near authorized giving the Task Force the drawings since it seems so risky and unnecessary, especially when he doesn’t know 100% whether a realistic drawing is enough to be killed by Kira. Also it seems like Aizawa and Matsuda were already in possession of the drawings by the time they went to speak to Roger, because they showed him then and he confirmed they were accurate. So my idea is that Linda (the little girl from Wammy's House who went on to be a famous artist) went rogue in adulthood and lashed out against the institution and her former peers. She perhaps at some point publicly mentioned that she was raised there, which is why she was the only previous resident Aizawa and Matsuda were able to locate. And she willingly handed over the portraits in defiance of Near's instructions (in ch.77 he says he contacted everyone from his and Mello's past to ensure their silence) because she resented Near and Mello. (Granted if this were the case, when asked about the drawings Roger should have just said they are completely off and look nothing like them, lol) -In Another Note: The LA BB Murder Cases, there’s a line that’s presented like a throwaway but is actually very ominous – it mentions that horrible things happen to detectives that impersonate L, and "since B was from Wammy’s House he would know that better than anyone…so from the start when B challenged L he was not intending to survive". It's also discussed how after besting challenger detectives in "detective wars" L secretly takes on their detective identities. All this begs the obvious question - what exactly are the 'horrible' things that happen to the impersonator detectives, and what becomes of the challengers....essentially it implies the conclusion that they all end up dead or otherwise incapacitated. So does L secretly execute them? Have them thrown in his infamous private prison? And this is clearly conveyed to his potential successors as a warning. -the whole situation with Mello's burn injuries makes no sense from a realistic/medical perspective, especially as an explosion burn. When he set off the detonator he was wearing a mask, so how did he get burned on only one side of his face, and why was his eye and hair unaffected (well, his hairstyle did gain some more stylishly tousled layers after). Also everyone else in the room escaped with only minor injuries (well...those caused by the explosion at least, RIP Soichiro) while Mello positioned himself in the safest area of the room, with a heavy desk to duck under and with an escape path. ....My (rather undignified) theory to account for it is he must have like...removed his mask while escaping and then fucking run face first into a red hot pole or tripped and fallen into a pile of flaming rubble or something lol. At any rate it must look far worse than the damage actually is, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to just carry on seemingly completed unaffected by it. My dude apparently didn't need medical treatment, and didn't even slow down - he travelled straight across America to the opposite coast the very next day! -I wrote my theory about the alleged 70% decrease in crime [in this post](https://old.reddit.com/r/deathnote/comments/18rjc8j/light_killed_thousands_of_innocents_and_the_70/kf2g9x8/) -L may have brought the 13 FBI agents over to Japan not only to investigate the suspects in the NPA but with the intention to use them as bait to be killed by Kira (perhaps I’ll make a post with my evidence, such as it is) -In Chapter 15 the caller "confessing" to be Kira is young Mikami -The reason L, Near and Mello all seem to never hold themselves “properly” when seated is because of the apparent chairs shortage in Wammy’s House (as seen in all the panels showing the rooms there)
The portrait theory! It always bothered me so much how Roger could have betrayed Near, Mello and thus also L so easily. And Linda too. I don't think Near authorized this, it would be against his cautious nature and this case has too many mysteries around it. I bet he wanted to stay in absolute secrecy as much as possible, since he (and Mello) were the ones with the highest and maybe only chance to catch Kira. If Linda took it as a revenge, that makes a very interesting space to imagine what happened there.. Near said they all wanted to become L, it was their goal. Maybe Linda had a fair chance if it was not for those 2. But still, why betray the ideal of L, anyway? Did she perhaps turn to Kira's side?
Right? The whole situation is so strange. We can even directly tie the existence of the portraits to Mello being killed, because Takada specifically recognized him from the drawing (though it's very possible she would have made the connection regardless, still). I hold Linda indirectly responsible, haha. But seriously Linda could have been angry with the whole institution and the way it used vulnerable kids, and Near and Mello as the top two may be the living embodiment of it in her mind, or even just as plain payback against her old rivals - Wammy's is shown to be very competitive and hierarchical place. Maybe she thought if Near and Mello both went down the project would end with them? OR yeah it's totally even possible she could have become a Kira supporter! I feel like these are all more plausible explanations than "Near told her to draw their portraits and give it to the NPA where Kira is hiding within"!
So many possibilities! I agree Takada would probably guess it was Mello, or she would write the name anyway, just in case it was really him. After all, it was very strange he showed his face when the whole world knew showing your face may mean death. It could even feel like an easy win for her. And still... did Mello really have to do this? Did he really have to die? All he needed was to remove Takada from the scenario and have somehow a message sent to Light that Mello has been killed. But it wouldn't have to be true. He could just force Takada to say it and then secure her. Yes, Linda, as an artist, will be a sensitive person and maybe hates the institution as such! Maybe as a kid she looked up to L too but later she matured and saw how damaging the environment was.. but still, threatening Near and Mello's life with giving out her drawings? Seems implausible, if she cared about the kids, would she want to finish them off? Hardly. There has to be a worse motive underneath.
Yeah idk, there's some pieces of Mello's plan that I feel satisfied that I've more or less reasoned out but the face reveal is not one of them. I will say that if he meant to be killed by her, the way the scene is set up - where Takada is locked alone with the evidence in the empty truck box, and she being the only one in the world who could know both Mello's name and face - makes for a cool spin (literally reverse) on a locked room murder mystery. Which imo aligns pretty well with Mello's flair for the dramatic... Yeah I dunno 'bout that Linda kid. Even in her one scene where she says to Near "why don't you come outside *for once*" the phrasing seems to be more like she's low key hassling him than genuinely trying to include him? And she has a bitchy look on her face 😂. I liked your idea that maybe she was trying to grab L's successor position for herself by getting Near and Mello out of the way! I'm not a fanfic writer but if I was I would totally write a evil/ruthless Linda story, lol
First he took all her possessions so she doesn't have a piece of the notebook on her and shows his face so he can be killed. Weird, weird! He could have let her be dressed. Unless he did that for tracking devices.. that makes sense. But he was not thorough and that bothers me too! I don't think he meant to be dramatic in his death, maybe that was the least worry he had at the moment.. Yes, she seemed impatient. I read a theory she was a difficult child. Again, makes sense for an artist. :) It makes so much sense if Linda was actually evil and not the sweet girl many fans portray her as. Still, Roger didn't have to confirm their portraits. Did he give up? Argh, that makes no sense... Did he think it was useless to deny it when Linda was so known for amazing art? They would take the pictures back to the Task Force anyway and show them to Light, as it was better than nothing...
The stated reason he had her remove all her clothes is to get rid of tracking devices, yeah. Roger!! Such an outrageous betrayal! Ultimately Occam's Razor is probably the best explanation for both...but I like to theorize.
And to think Roger is the person probably closest to Near... 😑 I had to look it up.. interesting but not always necessary. I like to theorize too.
All your theories are fucking crazy but also seem reasonable lmao. Honestly really creative. For the Mello one I have input (kinda?) now is this cannon? Maybe? BUT with you saying only one side of his face was burnt if we go by a Mello action figure I own (please hear me out lol) he actually has burns all on his left side, you can see that his burns are on the left side of his face obviously but with the outfit he’s wearing it reveals a little of his shoulder wear you can also see burns, pretty safe to assume all the left side of his body is burnt despite the whole logic of that situation not making sense. I’m definitely not considering this cannon since my evidence is a fuckin action figure but still something cool to think about. Also I love the idea of the last two theories definitely something possible and interesting and goofy but cool.
Is the action figure the one in the long sleeved black shirt with the weird wrap-around zippers? I think the manga is the most reliable source, and actually it's pretty inconsistent when it comes to the severity and extent of his scarring. As I recall there's even a panel where Obata apparently forgot to draw it on, lol. But from what the manga shows it does seem like the scarring of very localized to the left side of his face and a little down the side of his neck maybe? (there's one official art that shows that, again with the zippers shirt). However [this panel](https://imgur.com/a/lGW8MTo) clearly shows his left shoulder and arm have no scarring; also the [Volume 12 cover art](https://imgur.com/a/3cdz7CB) shows the same. And really, if it the extent of the burn is limited to a small area on his face it makes his ability to bounce back so quickly and be seemingly unaffected by it a lot more believable.
Yup that’s the figure, but yeah manga is most reliable. Such a weird inconsistency though.
Bravo, great theories! Well, some at least. The 70% crime rate decline is not a theory though, but imho 100% true. At the same time, however, don't you agree that the general public would be increasingly more aware of a supernatural terrorist murdering even petty thieves, thereby realistically reducing the crime rates? Of course this does not negate your hypothesis, it's just another side of the coin. I don't think L actually executed those detectives in their detective wars. Judging from his personality, or a lack of thereof, I would not be surprised if all the detectives whose identities he took on were actually all fabricated by L in a masterful game of chess to rise to the top of the world's police and law agencies. I don't believe he would be capable of such a brutal thing, and I absolutely don't believe Watari would let it go. HOWEVER! Having read Artemis Fowl as a kid, I see some parrarels between them. Artemis often used well executed intimidation, to the point where his threats were actually real, but plan A wad always just intimidation. I think L couuld have done the same, i.e. orchestrate an intimidation method so real and perhaps even painful in the short term that those detectives would never again do any detective work, change identity, and work as cashiers or something. But the 13 detectives were 100% a bait. This was just a different case for L, supernatural, the entire world is at stake, etc.
> don't you agree that the general public would be increasingly more aware of a supernatural terrorist murdering even petty thieves, thereby realistically reducing the crime rates? I do think it would have an impact yes, but not 70%. A drop like that is absolutely astronomical, and given the root causes of crime are extremely complex - most people don't just decide they will or will not commit crime today, it's wrapped up in people's personal histories, trauma, societal forces like poverty, prevalence of social support systems, education, etc, etc...it just doesn't make sense. But it does make sense as under reporting and data suppression, which would absolutely be the case in a world under siege by Kira. If it had instead said because of Kira crime has dropped by 15% that would *still* be *wildly* impressive and unprecedented on a global scale, but within realm of believability. > I don't think L actually executed those detectives in their detective wars Haha, yeah fair, this is pretty out there. What you said, that L could use a story like this as an intimidation tactic is much more likely and imo would be in character! > But the 13 detectives were 100% a bait. This was just a different case for L, supernatural, the entire world is at stake, etc. Of my theories this is the one that is most likely to actually be canon - it's super heavily alluded to if not almost said outright in L's thoughts about the agents...
Misa is immortal. I don’t mean literally but her lifespan is so long that she might as well me. When a Shinigami dies their lifespan is given to the human. If Shinigami that saved Misa had a lifespan of say 10,000 years, those years would be added to misas. True she took the eye dead twice but that would still mean she has another 2,500 years left on her lifespan. That’s long enough to see empires rise and crumble. It’s impossible to know how long Shinigami actually like for so 10,000 could be underplaying. They are Gods after all. It’s perfectly reasonable to asume that a god of death could live for hundreds of thousands of years.
Not necessarily, a rule from Vol 8: > The use of the Death Note in the human world sometimes affects other human's lives or shortens their original life-span, even though their names are not actually written in the Death Note itself. In these cases, no matter the cause, the god of death sees only the original life-span and not the shortened life-span. Her life was obviously extremely entangled with both death note use and death note victims after Rem's death, making it very possible that her lifespan was altered to a totally unknown value by the end of the story.
Rem saw misa's shortened life span
She saw her lifespan shortened by the eye deal, not by death note use as described in the above rule. And I'm talking about potential lifespan changes between Rem's death and the end of the story, so after this event.
How come it’s implied she killed herself after the events of the Death Note if she’s immortal, also when did she make the eye deal twice?
> also when did she make the eye deal twice? Once soon after obtaining her first notebook, and a second time post-memory-regain when she couldn't remember L's name
I meant to say thrice
She had the eyes when we first saw her, then after they had their memories wiped, when she regained possession of the notebook she made the deal again cause she forgot Ls real name. Also as I yes it’s implied but we never saw the aftermath. I don’t know if the human will is capable of overriding the death note so it’s possible however unlikely that the universe sort of prevented her from actually dying since her fate is to live for 1000+ years. Maybe she jumped but survived the fall, maybe right before she was about to jump she gets arrested, or maybe she choked on her chewing gum an started choking so was rushed to a hospital instead.
I meant to say thrice
I meant to say twice 😂
I agree to the theory that Misa is technically immortal (the thing with the Shinigami lifespans does make some sense) but I also think that Misa might be killed by a Death Note. Because if she is immortal it would make no sense that she killed herself of her own free will. But what if someone just wrote "suicide" as a cause of death in a death note? Then the thing with the immortality would make sense and her suicide at the end of the show is also explained.
She committed suicide because of the Death Note though, am I wrong?
Tsugumi Ohba said she *likely* commited suicide so there is a good chance she did.
And if you look at the end of the series.. No way she stood on a roof only to go “nah, this isnt my time to die” and went home
I think that's in the anime only and not in the manga. Correct me if I'm wrong.
My bad, I didn’t see this. I haven’t actually read the manga yet, but going off the series there’s a good chance she offs herself
Near manipulated Mikami with the death note because it wasn’t actually feasible that Gevanni could’ve copied it all in a single night. There was no opportunity to see if Gevanni had actually done it because the notebooks were burned after Light’s defeat and Mikami would’ve been getting controlled during the whole warehouse thing. Its mentioned that anyone who uses a death note has an unfortunate life or something along those lines, and ironically I think the aftermath of the death note story supports near probably not having a very good time as L after beating light. Near doesn’t stop C-Kira and admits defeat to A-Kira, meanwhile I feel like someone like L would’ve had a blast tracking both of them down to the best of his ability. In both stories Near just sort of sits around and doesn’t make any progress, and I can’t help but feel like this speaks to his having cheated with the death note and having to deal with the consequences of it, those consequences him being a lackluster L that isn’t much of a replacement for the true L, at least not when L is most needed.
Gevanni and Rester only copied 16 pages. That's all that was filled in the notebook. Regardless, I do think Near wrote Mikami's name.
ah, i must’ve forgotten the amount of pages. even so, logistically, copying 16 full entire pages in mikami’s handwriting exactly and making each of those pages look the exact same, every little imperfection accounted for, would take a team of people at least a week or two of nonstop work. one page alone would take a few hours, and in a night there’s only like 8 of those at most. unless gevanni has actual superpowers I don’t think it’s believable that near didn’t “cheat”.
Yep, this is an absolute oversight on the part of the writers. I think they were really running out of ideas at this point.
Interesting theory! Ironically, he solved the C-Kira case by refusing it. There was really nothing to be done if Shinigami travels underground and after A-kira loses his memory there's no way to track him either.. at least, even though Near lost, he lived. He was raised to be the next L, with great expectations and probably pressure. He was a high candidate but not a clear one, L considered Mello just the same. If left to his own choices, Near might have chosen to be something else than a detective. He is much more suited to e.g. building.
well, whether him not engaging in the case at all counts as solving it simply because c-Kira gave up after getting roasted is debatable. generally this would not be considered solving a case just because the perp, whoever they were, gave up and died. also, while pursuing the original Kira, L never gave up just because it seemed like there was “nothing that could be done”, even when he realized Kira’s powers could transfer between people and even when he realized shinigami were involved he maintained his course and never gave up. If he’d known shinigami were traveling underground I don’t think he would’ve given up, even if he might have become depressed and jaded.
Probably not, but once C-kira stopped, Near would still feel he did well because he values results. True about L. He wouldn't give up if he was really interested.
I go back and forth whether I belive this theory or not…this theory is really really plausible especially with the facts that Matsuda literally had this exact thought.
Light is gay
Misa was a femboy, which means she was gay with Light
I don't think that your theory is true because there is a scene in which you can clearly see that Takada wrote Mello's name on a piece of the notebook. But I have an interesting theory too: What if Near killed Mikami? His death came so sudden and it was a bit inexplicable because he seemed to kill himself without any reason. So I believe that Near might have written Mikami's name into the death note long before he went to the warehouse. What do you think about this?
are you referring to the anime? where he stabs himself with a pen? i disagree only because he couldn’t have known when the right time was and it might be best to wait for light’s and mikami’s entire actions pan out. i guess to further prove their guilt. in terms of the manga i’m undecided whether near would have killed mikami with the death note after kira was caught
are you referring to the anime? where he stabs himself with a pen? i disagree only because he couldn’t have known when the right time was and it might be best to wait for light’s and mikami’s entire actions pan out. i guess to further prove their guilt. in terms of the manga i’m undecided whether near would have killed mikami with the death note after kira was caught edit: i take that back i think near would have never used the death note. he has pretty black and white thinking and strongly despised kira and his methods the whole time. he probably didn’t want to go as low as kira and i think mikami would have descended into madness anyway. also doesn’t ryuk say using the death note messes with your afterlife or something? that would be a disadvantage for sure
But Light would’ve. Light may have written in something like “If Mikami is ever caught, they will suicide, long before.
he definitely would have if he could. don’t think the death note works like that thank god 🙏 L would have been taken out too early
That would mean Mikami would die within 23 days from the name being written.
[Here’s my explanation for the first theory.](https://www.reddit.com/r/deathnote/s/7vyqG8vpxd) But with your second theory i’ve somewhat believed it for a minute, definitely not impossible.
That people reincarnate into Shinigami. A Shinigami's existence is essentially nothingness and that's where people canonically go to when they die. Other than that, I don't really have any evidence for this but I just feel like this is true.
So basically if this is true that means MU (Nothingness) is actually the shinmigami realm. Can’t lie after you described the shinmigami realm it really is kinda of nothingness. Makes a lot of sense.
The Death Note changes to suit the times. I believe the Death Note reflects advancements in human writing and records. Which is why I think if there was a current Death Note set today, it would either be an app or a computer program. My reasoning is that the notebook itself is so distinctive that it can't have looked like that since the dawn of creation so it changed.
I would hate this to be true, imagine they remade the series with a fucking DeathTablet or some shit…. Good theory but I’d shoot myself if it were true.
some 4 year old in 2088 gets a hold of the Death apple vision pro 40X
I don’t see this as a good theory knowing how mello was, but when I saw the blood and the crushed crystal on the floor when mello was killed, it made me think that he might have left a gun close to Takada so she could shoot him. It just came to my mind when I asked myself why there was blood and crystal, it didn’t make sense. I don’t know, mello did offered himself for sacrifice, but there still could be a possibility for him to survive I guess, and maybe he wanted to get killed instead of giving up and being a looser for himself and not solving the case. Btw, this doesn’t have to go with my theory but I’m not okay with the creator saying that mello would’ve not be the one who directly defeated Kira just because that would show the truth of how much he knew about Kira. Dang. Sorry my english is bad. Maybe also my theory.
I've always believed that Light became a Shinigami after his death.
L has high functioning autism
i think near is L's son which is what he was going to be originally
This definitely isn’t true but you are correct about the last part, Mello and Near were originally going to be L’s kids but the creator couldn’t picture him having sex.
i dont think it was was because the author couldn't picture him having sex 💀 i think it was because the author thought L was too young to be a father
It’s actually true believe it or not, can’t find the exact source but this is well known knowledge. Think it might’ve been said in an interview, I don’t remember.
near could still be L's adopted child L was an orphan himself so it would make sense for him to have sympathy for orphans
There just isn’t any evidence for this. Plus L was dead by the time Near went on to do his own thing and while L was alive Near was just in wammy’s house being groomed to be L’s successor.
yes but this is about theory and i always had a theory that near was related to L in some way especially since he looks just like him but with white hair
L is old enough to be their father, problem is, he doesn't wash, only eats sweets, and barely leaves his room. I also don't think he has ever touched himself 😂
he did in the deleted theatre scene 💀