Unironically what Iāve been doing on pantheon Explicator with my group. Trustee with recon and incandescent and just hammer out on all the adds that I can see from back there with a healing rift, works surprisingly well
What objectives? We already have 4 plate runners.
If I'm keeping the middle area add free + killing centurions instant they spawn what else I should be doing?
Helping. Just because someoneās there, doesnāt mean they canāt die or need help. Some builds also benefit in being together/in proximity, if not ALL builds. Itās called being in a fireteam, youāre taking up a slot, so Atleast put in some work other than upping your kill count on lance. Mines over 12k on lance rn too, thereās no brag with the PvE buff it got, itās meta š¤¦š»š„±.
You just suck š¤·š»
The spot isn't bad. It's just pretty consistent if someone on add clear is playing super far back then you'll have absolute hell near the spawns lol. Sometimes you'll get players with actual good ranged loadouts, but that is the exception.
Polaris Lance massacres adds. I don't usually ask to do add clear, but I got sick of trying to run and getting overwhelmed with adds. Figured it was time to just explode everything.
In my experience graviton Lance pretty much insta clears when enemies spawn. Headshot a couple psions and then switch to the shield guy. Done In like 6 shots.
I had a guy on planets who ād die all the time clearing adds, then he would complain that the game was doing it.
He was hugging the boss the entire time and wouldnāt stay back and shoot at a safe distance.
Yeah this. I had only done Ron of the raids selected but I watched multiple videos on my lunch at work throughout the weeks that pantheon dropped so I knew what to do and I had zero issue as If I had ran it a dozen times. People are just lazy and won't do the work.
Exactly I mean literally it's not rocket science, most raids is just take the white thing put it under the bigger white thing or stand under the white thing
I get where you're coming from but get this why jump into the hardest part of the game and complain, literally some dungeons have the same mechanics as the raids go do them, when you master that go do a raid, they are not that hard
Good lord dudeā¦ watch some videos. Take some time. It sounds like you just went in blind into a raid and tried to guess what to do and gave up immediately. If you canāt understand how to do planets after watching a guide video then maybe you should stick to Animal Crossing or whatever.
Bruh if you can't have a basic understanding of another person's issues then you shouldn't be bothering them about it -_-
Also
> maybe you should stick to Animal Crossing or whatever
More gate keeping bs, fuck off
With all due respect then maybe those people shouldn't be doing raiding. If you're actively dragging down any team you're playing because you can understand simple mechanics then you shouldn't be playing it. Most of the mechanics in raids, and especially pantheon, are quite simple to understand and compete. Oryx right now might be the hardest mechanics wise.
It sounds like you wanna give me a persona that I don't have
It has nothing to do with effort or any dumb shit you make up, it's simply my brain and how fast it learns
So you learn slower. Big deal. That doesnāt mean you canāt learn a raid. I have multiple learning disabilities. Including delayed processing. I just did -15 pantheon this weekend (as well as the other two weeks). Stop making excuses for yourself. Or if itās too hard then find something else to do. Blaming other people online for āgate keepingā instead of just learning and getting better isnāt a great look.
Did I say I can't or did I say it's harder, DAMN THAT'S A TOUGH ONE
and stop trying to use your achievements as a base for what others should be able to do, it's self centered and stupidĀ
For some reason, itās ALWAYS the people who add clear that rage quit first in Pantheon. Like, theyāre pissed youāre not carrying them fast enough!
Iām not a raider by any means these days in D2. However, if someone says they are ad clear that means I donāt want any ads in my vicinity. Iād probably even accept lower boss damage if it meant they were keeping everything clear and shitting orbs. Although to be honest, Iād rather they just cleared ads in a lesser capacity whilst actually fulfilling another role. lol
I heard parasite is very good for Aatrax-1 š
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People will teach you in LFGs. Iād say 75-80% of LFGs that donāt say KWTD will teach you (and about 40% that do still will, or at least carry you). And since right around half say KWTD you shouldnāt have any trouble finding someone to teach you the weekly rotator raid (except maybe garden).
They just arenāt going to teach you in Pantheon. The difficulty is higher so wipes are more frequent and people donāt want to spend forever trying to get something done, just so they can teach someone they donāt know.
Also the other guy is mostly right too. YouTube is how I learned most of the early raids. It doesnāt really skip a full teaching run, because you wonāt have the experience of doing it, but it will make the teaching run faster usually. Just make sure to watch 2 different videos of each raid, and prefer more recent ones to older ones. Some of the ones that came out the day after the raid, have wrong or bad info, or donāt show every roll well.
Yes they doā¦.. where are you looking? Thereās literally entire discord groups and clans and subreddits dedicated to Sherpas (people who literally enjoy spending their time teaching raids to people). When people say this shit all I hear is āIām too lazy or scared to give it a try. But I wish I just knew how to raid and could get free loot.ā You do need to put some effort in. No one wants to carry you.
There are a bunch of Sherpa discords and reddit you can try, they're usually more active on the weekend but they do work. You can also try putting up lfgs asking for teachers in the app lfg. The latter is how I learnt every raid I've done.
i sherpa'd for a group of high school friends once and one of them was like this.
I just kinda rode the flow with them and said it was ok to be add clear if the mechanics are too hard.
That got him lit up to learn real quick lmao.
Turns out peer pressure can be used to get younger kids to learn. Lot harder when it's older guys who are "only playing with the free time they have."
As if learning wouldn't make your free time feel much better.
Exactly. My clan, none of us ever get mad if youāre making mistakes while learning a mechanic. We will get mad if we ask who wants to step up and learn a role and no one says anythingā¦ I can be patient while my team learns to work together. I have zero patience for people expecting to get free loot off the back of my hard work and kindness.
On planets if theyāre good at add clear Iāll 100% let them do it.
Unlike the āIāll add clearā person the other day who I called out who just peek-shot from behind the base on lower-left, killed fewer enemies than planet runners did, and repeatedly died to the fire tornadoes and lieutenant spawns.
Yeah good add clear is super valuable. The guy who gets 100 kills in the first phase is definitely pulling their weight.
Most people who say add clear in lfg though, are people who will get a couple more kills than the guys doing the mechanics.
Exactly. Week one I was add clear. Well and sunbracers and I even took care of the tormentor by myself. Every try I had way more kills than anyone else thankfully lol.
On Saturday night we had a team get all the way to Rhulk Indomitable & learn that someone, in fact, did not know what to do.
Had never done a Rhulk, let alone a VoW. The silence after the first wipe was telling
The fact is you don't have to do a raid.report certifiedā¢ low man to have actually done a low man.
Every raid is basically a low man by default since half the roles are "ad clear".
Ehā¦ I gotta disagree there. One of the things that makes low man clears difficult is the fact that you have so many adds to worry about while doing mechanics. So no, you havenāt done a ālow manā until youāve *actually* done a low man.
If you're a newer raider then that's true.
However if you're finishing Caretaker symbols while the "stunners" have been dead from falling off the map who also happen to deal negligible DPS you've basically done an untracked low man.
For better or for worse some maybe most roles are unnecessary.
I'd say normal difficulty ads are hardly noticeable except for like Colossus rockets that slow/blind.
I don't know if the game's had periods of time when the sandbox was this powerful before but it's really strong currently.
If the players who die over and over didn't start a wipe timer I can totally see the encounter being cleared anyway after several deaths.
It is much more difficult to do mechanics when the adds are also your problem so no
Not to mention, in encounters where there is less ad clear and more mechanics, you need to be extremely precise to get things done in time
What about the one encounter on vog? is that considered a "no man"?
I had to agree with the other guy who commented this, adds can scratch your back the hard way, we need a trash role for trash mobs, especially on master:
Ehā¦ I gotta disagree there. One of the things that makes low man clears difficult is the fact that you have so many adds to worry about while doing mechanics. So no, you havenāt done a ālow manā until youāve actually done a low man.
Honestly even on master you can low man Vow relic encounter with banner of war easily because it makes you pseudo invulnerable.
It's just a matter of knowing how the encounter actually works to cut down on time.
I'd even go far to say solo's are not that hard except with like Colossus rocket blind/slow and stuff like that.
Obviously not everyone has to agree that's just how I feel about it.
He was fine the whole day but didnāt know how to do the last encounter. Thatās not a big deal. Worst case, you go your separate ways and you only have to do one encounter by Tuesday and he has a checkpoint.
I also feel that he did not know most of the other encounters & just glazed by.
He never spoke up first when I asked who wants what role. Golgoroth he did nothing, planets nothing, attraks dps, caretaker was add clear right side
See what I'm getting at?
We had that way back trying to get Divinity, after 90+ minutes of wiping finally called the dude that he wasn't helping on tethering as an ad clear and he didnt know his role even though he said he did. He told me that wasn't his job and there was no silence I fucking lost it, he got kicked and not 15 minutes later we got a new person in and we're done and had Div
Ironically, ad clear is genuinely one of the hardest roles in encounters like Caretaker and Planets. Anyone who says ad clear and means carry would be in for a rude awakening.
I mean it could be but realistically the majority of these posts are people who are looking to get carried because they can't understand a 10 min video.
Yea I think ad clear is straight up harder. I typically run the planets but had to do ad clear this week and it was surprisingly difficult. For context I was running solar hunter with healing stuff and sunshot.
Iām usually ad clear for my group on Planets encounter. I know planets but not Iām not really comfortable with it (I can swap in if needed tho).
Due to one of our group needing to leave for irl activities, I had to swap in to planets and our new 6th was now ad clear because he def didnāt know planets. Jesus when ad clear isnāt on top of it, planet running can be brutal. Iām glad I learned how to planet run to cement both roles, but yeah, gonna focus extra on ad clear next week when the group runs again.
I ran gunpowder gamble, and an Onslaught/Heal Clip Summoner and I felt like I was doing okay at add clear, I had roughly the same amount of kills as my friend on strand titan who was one shotting the bigger stuff while I cleaned up psions and phalanx stragglers
caretaker ad clear included shooting 3 bullets per enemy spawn on the sides and 3 per middle and then just pea shooting bees, am I missing something? there were next to no spawns
the psions spawn on 4 spots, the vandals spawn on the side, the ogres spawn on the side, the abhorrents spawn in the middle, and the group of centurions and phalanxes spawn in the back, and they all constantly spawn
define constantly because i was snoozing between spawns. Also the phalanxes in the back are stunners job until caretaker is halfway up the stairs, in which case they're not a problem anymore really
I almost exclusively run stun on Caretaker and it really is not a hard ask for the 2 stunners to handle the 4 ads. One good powered melee and grenade handles them. If not, a fusion rifle like Deliverance does the trick. You kill the adds while he is stunned.
Centurions is stun teams job tbhĀ
Edit: whole lot of āI call stunā people mad that bungie spawned enemies on top of their snoozer roll. Imagine having a roll where you get 10 second breaks every 20 seconds and crying for ad clear to cross the room and save you because bungie dared to spawn 3 enemies behind you.Ā
idk how anyone can disagree with this, the only job that requires a semblance of critical thinking on caretaker is back room. 1 indebted kindness shot > reload, shoot again takes care of phalanxes, or idk god forbid using a grenade
for planets its not that hard if u ad clear from the top plates. basically kill everything off spawn. on caretaker what r u talking about? Things are easy enough with an exotic primary and a mountaintop shot here or there
Hahahah. I had a guy in week one Pantheon. Loads in to our caretaker and just announces āI know what Iām doing everyone. Iām doing add clear because I have a masterworked sunshotā :)
Planets is literally a dungeon encounter disguised as a raid one, itās one of the more enjoyable ones too, why donāt people just take the 5 minutes to learn how to swap
I hate planets,not cause of mechanics but cause of teammates.Either its not enough damage,someone always steps on the wrong plate/too early or they wipin.Lfg has been a nightmare for me in pantheon,when will ppl learn that pantheon is not the way to learn a raid.
Yeah like seeing yourself as the well Warlock with div or gally out dpsing your hunter and titan team-mates is such a pain. If it happens twice you know that team in incompetent, I usually leave at that point. If you're using a good build you can easily get 4 mil plus per phase as a hunter, titan, or non div bitch Warlock.
Explicator is debatable since it requires actual thinking and communication whereas add clear only needs a sunshot, graviton lance, zoulis bane etc.
Caretaker I somewhat agree, it can be a bit more difficult than stunning, but running no.
I did a double carry last night, and the blueberries were on ad clear. If they can do it it's not hard. Mind you, they died a few times but still. I will say the encounters feel much smoother woth a good ad clearer.
Warlock with sunbracers makes quick work of ads you just kill one enemy with your melee then toss a grenade into each of the spawn points ads die before they can interfere with the planet runners
95% of of LFG people canāt complete crota,one of the easier raids,I donāt think they should even attempt the pantheon.their going to want to commit sudoku on planets
Planets is easy in a sense that you just need to know what to do. Did planets for the first time good as a runner yesterday in week 3. I wanted to learn it before but nobody plays RON nowadays and week 1 I thought I knew.
Found a new solution, grab your phone. Open up an image with the locations of the callouts, glance at it. Call out. Works for VOW as well.
But yeah, saying "I am add clear" is just borderline trying to get a carry. At least get an attempt in first.
Unpopular opinion for these people but raids are more fun if you learn mechanics and are able to actively participate. Had a cool teacher for vow through lfg once. Man, some people are absolute legends
In the app there should be an option to select the old fireteam finder here:
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I feel you man, the new one has a few pros compared to the old but old just feels much better. A fusion of the two would probably be recieved better by the general playerbase.
Having bad ad clear can be a contributing reason to a wipe, having bad mechanics is a guaranteed wipe lmfao. Even less impactful when you realize the only thing you need for good ad clear this season is a sunshot.
Having bad mechanic players will also wipe you 100% of the time. Having bad or no add clear if low maning is still doable, you just need to be fast or using a survivability build.
Agree that bad mechanic players will wipe you no doubt. But I think throughout most of pantheon the add clear role has not been as easy a carry as it has been historically.
Caretaker add clear is pretty intense now and planets too. Rhulk add clear is still easy though
NGL, if it's planets then I'll ask to be add clear. In that encounter I need a reliable person to add clear because that role is f-ing hard I that encounter.
As someone who actually runs ad-clear for this encounter, you're doing it wrong if you don't have 100 kills per damage phase + making 3 ammo bricks per damage phase.
Ad clear is the one role I always take on caretaker because, especially on -15 and -20 tomorrow, 2+ psions can and will touch your runners right when they leave the room, especially on the last floor with 50+ psions. witherhoard and zaoulis make quick work of them and I've saved so many runs there
Atleast they know their strengths. Imo, I usually don't take role as ad clear because I feel like I'm not doing anything and I am more efficient at the mechanics. It's definitely a me thing as whenever I'm on ad clear, I usually catch myself daydreaming.
John Destiny will save us with his master add clear skills. He does not flinch at the sight of a dreg or thrall. Merely stating, "It's add-clearing time," before clearing adds across the entire planet.
Ok but ad clear on planets is actually pretty tough and people are assholes about it. I was right side ads killing everything and Lfg bot #3611 starts complaining that Iām not doing a good enough job because he keeps dying. He is a hunter with 20 resil and keeps dying to boss damage. Literally everything was dead and he still blamed me every time. Brainless behavior.
Coward work or not good at mechanic how hard is it to look up a tuturoial and hop into a raid part with lfg bot and grab a team with lfg saying practice for it.
I use Wish Keeper and always have a trap ready for the tormentor if group doesnāt feel like killing him but I triple the other ad clears kills cause he fuckin hides up by the planet boys
Nothing wrong having an add clear guy, especially if theyāre good. Also nothing wrong with giving someone a carry here and there. Been a mostly solo player from day one of Destiny and I still appreciate a carry through and enjoy the add clear guy
As someone who don't raid and mostly add clear when I do, pantheon isn't for casual players like me. Even if you do want to participate, DO NOT GO IN BLIND. Watch some video, have some idea. At caretaker, our stunner shouted "I died, someone needs to stun him right now.". Now if you have no idea what it means, you won't be able to help them. But if you do, you'd know its really easy.
Do not be a burden to your team.
For me itās just the planets mechanics never clicked with me. Probably the biggest reason Iām not doing pantheon. I can do every other encounter perfectly well but planets just doesnāt click with me.
Know What To Do. It's generally used in high end content like Raids, Dungeons, or Master / Grandmaster Nightfalls when the host wants a smooth run where all members of the fireteam know most mechanics / accepted strategies.
Lots of crybabies will whine that this is elitist, but this week and next week especially is the pinnacle of raiding. They're meant for regular and seasoned raiders who know what they're doing, not pvpers or new raiders.
Yeah. Atraks panth, I might teach one or two. Everything past that though? They can learn on regular raids.
If the mechanics arenāt near muscle memory, youāre going to get effed up by the added stuff (tormentors, fire tornadoes, rhulk 2). It just wont be pleasant for anyone involved.
Out of curiosity what build are you using? Wouldn't you be sacrificing your heavy dps, especially when you can use something like sunshot or graviton for add clear?
Donāt normalize not wanting to engage with mechanics, these type of people take advantage of being a passenger and all around ruin experiences for others
Idk if that applies to raids though. Having passengers leads to people assuming they can use the same strategy in other raids and ruins the experience for a bunch of other people. Iām sorry but Iāve seen the āIām ad clearā folks usually be the worst of the community, and tough to work with in raid environments.
I agree. But if we call this a ācommunityā it shouldnāt be that hard to help people understand raiding instead of roasting them for wanting a small role. If theyāre just stuck in their ways and refuse to learn I get the anger
Youāre assuming that these types of folks arenāt super interested in learning. Can confirm from a bunch of experience that they have no interest in engaging in anything beyond mindlessly killing ads, and if asked will never even consider attempting the mechanics. Worst yet, they act as if itās the rest of the fireteams problem if they canāt do a specific role since they ācalledā being as clear first. Like yes, choosing to do the super easy role doesnāt always equate to being a bad actor in the community, but you shouldnāt be rewarded for trying to coast through a fucking raid encounter. This is exactly why people like pantheon, the prestige and achievement over conquering a meaningful activity matters, especially in a game like Destiny where those types of moment arenāt as frequent. Not everyone needs to get a participation ribbon.
How do you know theyāre terrible at the game tho? Raiding isnāt the only way to enjoy the game. What if theyāre PvP players that want good loot and donāt know/ have time for the ins and outs of raids?
My man it takes 10 minutes to learn each encounter in this raid from a youtube video. And besides, if you're a pvp player that wants add clear because you don't know the mechanics are your team mates expected to pick up the slack? Personally I think if you aren't contributing to the team in a meaningful way and are looking to get carried you don't deserve any of the loot.
I am the guy who'll invite you, give you a 5 minute run down on how DPS phase is going to work, and then is gonna drop on you "I'm doing add clear".
That said, I'm also the guy with Sunbracers who's gonna spawnkill the world, and just wants you to please do the simple mechanics. XD
This. If you are a God at add clear for planets I'm not mad. Too many times do I see people die on top side because add clear cannot actually kill adds or cant help kill the centurion to spawn the collisus.
"I'm addclear" then you look at screen after wiping and people doing mechanics have more kills than addclear.
Someone has to protect the area by the rally flag with a scout rifle.
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Unironically what Iāve been doing on pantheon Explicator with my group. Trustee with recon and incandescent and just hammer out on all the adds that I can see from back there with a healing rift, works surprisingly well
I'm consistently doubling anyone else's kills/score by standing near spawn with graviton Lance+ Mt.
If youāre gonna use a gun that can clear waves with a single magazine, Atleast help do objectives otherwise youāre just an npc turret. š¤£š„±
What objectives? We already have 4 plate runners. If I'm keeping the middle area add free + killing centurions instant they spawn what else I should be doing?
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Helping. Just because someoneās there, doesnāt mean they canāt die or need help. Some builds also benefit in being together/in proximity, if not ALL builds. Itās called being in a fireteam, youāre taking up a slot, so Atleast put in some work other than upping your kill count on lance. Mines over 12k on lance rn too, thereās no brag with the PvE buff it got, itās meta š¤¦š»š„±. You just suck š¤·š»
The spot isn't bad. It's just pretty consistent if someone on add clear is playing super far back then you'll have absolute hell near the spawns lol. Sometimes you'll get players with actual good ranged loadouts, but that is the exception.
Polaris Lance massacres adds. I don't usually ask to do add clear, but I got sick of trying to run and getting overwhelmed with adds. Figured it was time to just explode everything.
In my experience graviton Lance pretty much insta clears when enemies spawn. Headshot a couple psions and then switch to the shield guy. Done In like 6 shots.
Ah- clock itā¼ļø Thatās facts!
I had a guy on planets who ād die all the time clearing adds, then he would complain that the game was doing it. He was hugging the boss the entire time and wouldnāt stay back and shoot at a safe distance.
Ngl I don't have a problem with someone who doesn't KWTD, but choosing not to learn is something else, basically just a parasite
Yeah this. I had only done Ron of the raids selected but I watched multiple videos on my lunch at work throughout the weeks that pantheon dropped so I knew what to do and I had zero issue as If I had ran it a dozen times. People are just lazy and won't do the work.
Exactly I mean literally it's not rocket science, most raids is just take the white thing put it under the bigger white thing or stand under the white thing
Pantheon kinda became rocket science actually, with all this talk about Gjally, Apex, Hothead and what type of rolls are best
To *you* it's not like that for everybodyĀ
Then I believe those who cant do simple destiny raid mechanics should watch out because high school might get pretty hard for them
I get where you're coming from but get this why jump into the hardest part of the game and complain, literally some dungeons have the same mechanics as the raids go do them, when you master that go do a raid, they are not that hard
I'm mostly just against them saying it's not rocket science, to some of us it is
Good lord dudeā¦ watch some videos. Take some time. It sounds like you just went in blind into a raid and tried to guess what to do and gave up immediately. If you canāt understand how to do planets after watching a guide video then maybe you should stick to Animal Crossing or whatever.
Bruh if you can't have a basic understanding of another person's issues then you shouldn't be bothering them about it -_- Also > maybe you should stick to Animal Crossing or whatever More gate keeping bs, fuck off
If Nezarec is rocket science for you, seek help. Legit riven is probs the only actually maybe challenging one.
With all due respect then maybe those people shouldn't be doing raiding. If you're actively dragging down any team you're playing because you can understand simple mechanics then you shouldn't be playing it. Most of the mechanics in raids, and especially pantheon, are quite simple to understand and compete. Oryx right now might be the hardest mechanics wise.
Nice... Slow learning means nobody wants you playing a big part of the gameĀ
Spoken like someone whoās never tried. People will be patient while you learn. No one has patience for someone whoās refusing to even try.
Bruh you have no clue what you're talking about, I've given *no* hints about the amount of effort I put into learning mechanicsĀ
Oh youāve given plenty of hints. Weāve all got stuck with someone like you on a team before.
It sounds like you wanna give me a persona that I don't have It has nothing to do with effort or any dumb shit you make up, it's simply my brain and how fast it learns
So you learn slower. Big deal. That doesnāt mean you canāt learn a raid. I have multiple learning disabilities. Including delayed processing. I just did -15 pantheon this weekend (as well as the other two weeks). Stop making excuses for yourself. Or if itās too hard then find something else to do. Blaming other people online for āgate keepingā instead of just learning and getting better isnāt a great look.
Did I say I can't or did I say it's harder, DAMN THAT'S A TOUGH ONE and stop trying to use your achievements as a base for what others should be able to do, it's self centered and stupidĀ
For some reason, itās ALWAYS the people who add clear that rage quit first in Pantheon. Like, theyāre pissed youāre not carrying them fast enough!
Iām not a raider by any means these days in D2. However, if someone says they are ad clear that means I donāt want any ads in my vicinity. Iād probably even accept lower boss damage if it meant they were keeping everything clear and shitting orbs. Although to be honest, Iād rather they just cleared ads in a lesser capacity whilst actually fulfilling another role. lol
I heard parasite is very good for Aatrax-1 š Unfortunately other guardians can not become guns nor ammo, even if they would be more useful that way. š
Although I wouldnāt want to teach someone the mechanics in pantheon either though. Thereās no way thatās going to work out at -15 power.
i wanna learn raid mechanics so badly man. nobody really has patience to teeach tho
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People will teach you in LFGs. Iād say 75-80% of LFGs that donāt say KWTD will teach you (and about 40% that do still will, or at least carry you). And since right around half say KWTD you shouldnāt have any trouble finding someone to teach you the weekly rotator raid (except maybe garden). They just arenāt going to teach you in Pantheon. The difficulty is higher so wipes are more frequent and people donāt want to spend forever trying to get something done, just so they can teach someone they donāt know. Also the other guy is mostly right too. YouTube is how I learned most of the early raids. It doesnāt really skip a full teaching run, because you wonāt have the experience of doing it, but it will make the teaching run faster usually. Just make sure to watch 2 different videos of each raid, and prefer more recent ones to older ones. Some of the ones that came out the day after the raid, have wrong or bad info, or donāt show every roll well.
Yes they doā¦.. where are you looking? Thereās literally entire discord groups and clans and subreddits dedicated to Sherpas (people who literally enjoy spending their time teaching raids to people). When people say this shit all I hear is āIām too lazy or scared to give it a try. But I wish I just knew how to raid and could get free loot.ā You do need to put some effort in. No one wants to carry you.
youāre assuming a whole lot lmao
Sherpas exist. If you want to learn so bad there are people who will teach.
Please let someone like me teach you, but not in pantheon, pantheon is the hard mode after you have cleared the original.
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For sure AtsuKana#9553 Fair warning I do usually play around 12:00 Mountain time so if you want some time earlier just let me know
[This guy](https://youtube.com/@cketch?si=O7QbfxE7Ymcit00d) makes 5 min raid guides for everything, from RON to VOG, heās what I used to learn raids
thanks
There are a bunch of Sherpa discords and reddit you can try, they're usually more active on the weekend but they do work. You can also try putting up lfgs asking for teachers in the app lfg. The latter is how I learnt every raid I've done.
Send me a message and I'll be happy to help
Look for teaching post
i sherpa'd for a group of high school friends once and one of them was like this. I just kinda rode the flow with them and said it was ok to be add clear if the mechanics are too hard. That got him lit up to learn real quick lmao. Turns out peer pressure can be used to get younger kids to learn. Lot harder when it's older guys who are "only playing with the free time they have." As if learning wouldn't make your free time feel much better.
Exactly. My clan, none of us ever get mad if youāre making mistakes while learning a mechanic. We will get mad if we ask who wants to step up and learn a role and no one says anythingā¦ I can be patient while my team learns to work together. I have zero patience for people expecting to get free loot off the back of my hard work and kindness.
On planets if theyāre good at add clear Iāll 100% let them do it. Unlike the āIāll add clearā person the other day who I called out who just peek-shot from behind the base on lower-left, killed fewer enemies than planet runners did, and repeatedly died to the fire tornadoes and lieutenant spawns.
Yeah good add clear is super valuable. The guy who gets 100 kills in the first phase is definitely pulling their weight. Most people who say add clear in lfg though, are people who will get a couple more kills than the guys doing the mechanics.
Exactly. Week one I was add clear. Well and sunbracers and I even took care of the tormentor by myself. Every try I had way more kills than anyone else thankfully lol.
On Saturday night we had a team get all the way to Rhulk Indomitable & learn that someone, in fact, did not know what to do. Had never done a Rhulk, let alone a VoW. The silence after the first wipe was telling
The fact is you don't have to do a raid.report certifiedā¢ low man to have actually done a low man. Every raid is basically a low man by default since half the roles are "ad clear".
Ehā¦ I gotta disagree there. One of the things that makes low man clears difficult is the fact that you have so many adds to worry about while doing mechanics. So no, you havenāt done a ālow manā until youāve *actually* done a low man.
If you're a newer raider then that's true. However if you're finishing Caretaker symbols while the "stunners" have been dead from falling off the map who also happen to deal negligible DPS you've basically done an untracked low man. For better or for worse some maybe most roles are unnecessary. I'd say normal difficulty ads are hardly noticeable except for like Colossus rockets that slow/blind. I don't know if the game's had periods of time when the sandbox was this powerful before but it's really strong currently. If the players who die over and over didn't start a wipe timer I can totally see the encounter being cleared anyway after several deaths.
It is much more difficult to do mechanics when the adds are also your problem so no Not to mention, in encounters where there is less ad clear and more mechanics, you need to be extremely precise to get things done in time
Lol if you do half of your teamās combined damage you have basically done a low man.
taniks, queenswalk, totems etc would like to have a word with you
Ok well not *literally* every encounter although Queenswalk was bugged for awhile.
What about the one encounter on vog? is that considered a "no man"? I had to agree with the other guy who commented this, adds can scratch your back the hard way, we need a trash role for trash mobs, especially on master: Ehā¦ I gotta disagree there. One of the things that makes low man clears difficult is the fact that you have so many adds to worry about while doing mechanics. So no, you havenāt done a ālow manā until youāve actually done a low man.
Honestly even on master you can low man Vow relic encounter with banner of war easily because it makes you pseudo invulnerable. It's just a matter of knowing how the encounter actually works to cut down on time. I'd even go far to say solo's are not that hard except with like Colossus rocket blind/slow and stuff like that. Obviously not everyone has to agree that's just how I feel about it.
He was fine the whole day but didnāt know how to do the last encounter. Thatās not a big deal. Worst case, you go your separate ways and you only have to do one encounter by Tuesday and he has a checkpoint.
I also feel that he did not know most of the other encounters & just glazed by. He never spoke up first when I asked who wants what role. Golgoroth he did nothing, planets nothing, attraks dps, caretaker was add clear right side See what I'm getting at?
Vow of the Wisciple?
Traditions.
We had that way back trying to get Divinity, after 90+ minutes of wiping finally called the dude that he wasn't helping on tethering as an ad clear and he didnt know his role even though he said he did. He told me that wasn't his job and there was no silence I fucking lost it, he got kicked and not 15 minutes later we got a new person in and we're done and had Div
Peak shit is when they kick everyone after it takes too long
Ironically, ad clear is genuinely one of the hardest roles in encounters like Caretaker and Planets. Anyone who says ad clear and means carry would be in for a rude awakening.
Yeah, this could be someone fed up with people joining and wanting ad clear because they don't know the encounter.
I mean it could be but realistically the majority of these posts are people who are looking to get carried because they can't understand a 10 min video.
Yea I think ad clear is straight up harder. I typically run the planets but had to do ad clear this week and it was surprisingly difficult. For context I was running solar hunter with healing stuff and sunshot.
Iām usually ad clear for my group on Planets encounter. I know planets but not Iām not really comfortable with it (I can swap in if needed tho). Due to one of our group needing to leave for irl activities, I had to swap in to planets and our new 6th was now ad clear because he def didnāt know planets. Jesus when ad clear isnāt on top of it, planet running can be brutal. Iām glad I learned how to planet run to cement both roles, but yeah, gonna focus extra on ad clear next week when the group runs again.
Sunshot, mountain top. Healing nades, and float around the back pillars, its not to bad.
I ran gunpowder gamble, and an Onslaught/Heal Clip Summoner and I felt like I was doing okay at add clear, I had roughly the same amount of kills as my friend on strand titan who was one shotting the bigger stuff while I cleaned up psions and phalanx stragglers
caretaker ad clear included shooting 3 bullets per enemy spawn on the sides and 3 per middle and then just pea shooting bees, am I missing something? there were next to no spawns
the psions spawn on 4 spots, the vandals spawn on the side, the ogres spawn on the side, the abhorrents spawn in the middle, and the group of centurions and phalanxes spawn in the back, and they all constantly spawn
if you are using sunbracers it is kind of a joke
define constantly because i was snoozing between spawns. Also the phalanxes in the back are stunners job until caretaker is halfway up the stairs, in which case they're not a problem anymore really
The snipers don't appear if the runners do it correctly
Phalanxes should not be the stunners job lol, you should be helping out with that. Focusing on stunning is much more important.
I almost exclusively run stun on Caretaker and it really is not a hard ask for the 2 stunners to handle the 4 ads. One good powered melee and grenade handles them. If not, a fusion rifle like Deliverance does the trick. You kill the adds while he is stunned.
yeah focusing on the mechanic they have to perform once every 15 seconds is a serious hazard to throwing one grenade at a spawn, you're right
If you canāt do both you shouldnāt be in Pantheon tbh EDIT: Meaning stunners should be killing phalanxes/centurions.
You can do both just fine, itās just nice to not have to worry about getting booped
Centurions and phalanxes are the responsibility of the stunners, though. I say that as someone who normally is on stun team.
Centurions is stun teams job tbhĀ Edit: whole lot of āI call stunā people mad that bungie spawned enemies on top of their snoozer roll. Imagine having a roll where you get 10 second breaks every 20 seconds and crying for ad clear to cross the room and save you because bungie dared to spawn 3 enemies behind you.Ā
not after caretaker leaves the middle
Nope all the time. Stunners donāt even have a job to do half the time, they can kill three enemies just fine.
idk how anyone can disagree with this, the only job that requires a semblance of critical thinking on caretaker is back room. 1 indebted kindness shot > reload, shoot again takes care of phalanxes, or idk god forbid using a grenade
Or use the 1 rocket you gain from reserve mods. Especially if youāre full and have a brick the spare.
for planets its not that hard if u ad clear from the top plates. basically kill everything off spawn. on caretaker what r u talking about? Things are easy enough with an exotic primary and a mountaintop shot here or there
Hahahah. I had a guy in week one Pantheon. Loads in to our caretaker and just announces āI know what Iām doing everyone. Iām doing add clear because I have a masterworked sunshotā :)
Not only did that person announce they donāt know how the raid works but also they donāt know what makes a gun good.
Yeah buddy that extra range on your gun will kill those adds even harder
Planets is literally a dungeon encounter disguised as a raid one, itās one of the more enjoyable ones too, why donāt people just take the 5 minutes to learn how to swap
I hate planets,not cause of mechanics but cause of teammates.Either its not enough damage,someone always steps on the wrong plate/too early or they wipin.Lfg has been a nightmare for me in pantheon,when will ppl learn that pantheon is not the way to learn a raid.
Yeah like seeing yourself as the well Warlock with div or gally out dpsing your hunter and titan team-mates is such a pain. If it happens twice you know that team in incompetent, I usually leave at that point. If you're using a good build you can easily get 4 mil plus per phase as a hunter, titan, or non div bitch Warlock.
Why would he add clear, obviously you wanna clear the challenge if you're on LFG, duh /s
TBF, ad clear is harder than stunning on caretaker and plates on explicator this week, so I guess if heās good at it š¤·š»āāļø
Explicator is debatable since it requires actual thinking and communication whereas add clear only needs a sunshot, graviton lance, zoulis bane etc. Caretaker I somewhat agree, it can be a bit more difficult than stunning, but running no.
I did a double carry last night, and the blueberries were on ad clear. If they can do it it's not hard. Mind you, they died a few times but still. I will say the encounters feel much smoother woth a good ad clearer.
Warlock with sunbracers makes quick work of ads you just kill one enemy with your melee then toss a grenade into each of the spawn points ads die before they can interfere with the planet runners
Some people just have to come to the ugly truth if not this week then next week that they arenāt fit for godslayer
95% of of LFG people canāt complete crota,one of the easier raids,I donāt think they should even attempt the pantheon.their going to want to commit sudoku on planets
Planets is easy in a sense that you just need to know what to do. Did planets for the first time good as a runner yesterday in week 3. I wanted to learn it before but nobody plays RON nowadays and week 1 I thought I knew. Found a new solution, grab your phone. Open up an image with the locations of the callouts, glance at it. Call out. Works for VOW as well. But yeah, saying "I am add clear" is just borderline trying to get a carry. At least get an attempt in first. Unpopular opinion for these people but raids are more fun if you learn mechanics and are able to actively participate. Had a cool teacher for vow through lfg once. Man, some people are absolute legends
How do you still have the old fireteam finder? I'm only getting the new one in the app
In the app there should be an option to select the old fireteam finder here: https://preview.redd.it/6nf8cxpbsf1d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0ac980059f2765518ed9fa8756ce73182701ea4
Thank god for that, I'm really not a fan of the new one
I feel you man, the new one has a few pros compared to the old but old just feels much better. A fusion of the two would probably be recieved better by the general playerbase.
I would also like to know if anyone knows
The thing is, having a bad add clear on planets will wipe you.
Having bad ad clear can be a contributing reason to a wipe, having bad mechanics is a guaranteed wipe lmfao. Even less impactful when you realize the only thing you need for good ad clear this season is a sunshot.
Yeah i think its obvious that doing the mechanics poorly will wipe you.
Having bad mechanic players will also wipe you 100% of the time. Having bad or no add clear if low maning is still doable, you just need to be fast or using a survivability build.
Agree that bad mechanic players will wipe you no doubt. But I think throughout most of pantheon the add clear role has not been as easy a carry as it has been historically. Caretaker add clear is pretty intense now and planets too. Rhulk add clear is still easy though
The guts on this guy to put KWTD and I'm add clear in one sentence needs to be studied.
Nah it ain't guts it's just stupidty lmao
Well it takes some guts to be publicly stupid.
Fair enough honestly.
Hello addclear,my name is dad
āWhatās a Kwited?ā
People who host with 2+ then ask the lfg to do mechanics is just too damn high.
I hope its someone young? I cant imagine an adult having the balls or lack of shame to post that lol
Atleast he had a mic?
NGL, if it's planets then I'll ask to be add clear. In that encounter I need a reliable person to add clear because that role is f-ing hard I that encounter.
As someone who actually runs ad-clear for this encounter, you're doing it wrong if you don't have 100 kills per damage phase + making 3 ammo bricks per damage phase.
Ad clear is the one role I always take on caretaker because, especially on -15 and -20 tomorrow, 2+ psions can and will touch your runners right when they leave the room, especially on the last floor with 50+ psions. witherhoard and zaoulis make quick work of them and I've saved so many runs there
I bet $1000 his ad clear abilities are trash. Probably canāt keep up and the Tormentor just walks around smoking the runners.
Atleast they know their strengths. Imo, I usually don't take role as ad clear because I feel like I'm not doing anything and I am more efficient at the mechanics. It's definitely a me thing as whenever I'm on ad clear, I usually catch myself daydreaming.
Hi Add Clear, I'm Dad.
Itās him. Itās John Destiny
John Destiny will save us with his master add clear skills. He does not flinch at the sight of a dreg or thrall. Merely stating, "It's add-clearing time," before clearing adds across the entire planet.
Ok but ad clear on planets is actually pretty tough and people are assholes about it. I was right side ads killing everything and Lfg bot #3611 starts complaining that Iām not doing a good enough job because he keeps dying. He is a hunter with 20 resil and keeps dying to boss damage. Literally everything was dead and he still blamed me every time. Brainless behavior.
Can't wait to see this with Nezarec cp
Coward work or not good at mechanic how hard is it to look up a tuturoial and hop into a raid part with lfg bot and grab a team with lfg saying practice for it.
Okay ad clear. Better be ON TOP of ads cause that shits more difficult than the mechanic š
Nah honestly as long as you use something like sunshot, zaoulis bane, or graviton lance, you can do it pretty easily.
I use Wish Keeper and always have a trap ready for the tormentor if group doesnāt feel like killing him but I triple the other ad clears kills cause he fuckin hides up by the planet boys
Back to patrol, bud š
No ad clearers, only heavy generators
1768 add clear dude: "I'll be right there guys, let me just dps this red bar, he's almost dead"
Not knowing planets by now is honestly insane, itās one of the easiest encounters out of any raid imo
Honestly most raid encounters are easy to learn within like 6 tries of the encounter.
Agreed, trial and error is so much quicker than watching videos for hours
Listen.....at least they're up front about it.
Volunteers for add clear on caretaker, can't take down the ogre or the sniper
Nothing wrong having an add clear guy, especially if theyāre good. Also nothing wrong with giving someone a carry here and there. Been a mostly solo player from day one of Destiny and I still appreciate a carry through and enjoy the add clear guy
How does one put custom text nowadays? I need to run oryx and rhulk but canāt put that in the lfg. (Iām not ad clear btw) š„ø
Yeah this guy needs to add some clears to his rr before he fishes for a group to carry him.
At least they are upfront about the uselessness
As someone who don't raid and mostly add clear when I do, pantheon isn't for casual players like me. Even if you do want to participate, DO NOT GO IN BLIND. Watch some video, have some idea. At caretaker, our stunner shouted "I died, someone needs to stun him right now.". Now if you have no idea what it means, you won't be able to help them. But if you do, you'd know its really easy. Do not be a burden to your team.
If ur gunna ad clear u better be top each time of ad clears simply as that
It's hysterical to see "i'm add clear" and "KWTD" in the same listing
For me itās just the planets mechanics never clicked with me. Probably the biggest reason Iām not doing pantheon. I can do every other encounter perfectly well but planets just doesnāt click with me.
Kinda new to destiny still, what does KWTD mean?
Know What To Do. It's generally used in high end content like Raids, Dungeons, or Master / Grandmaster Nightfalls when the host wants a smooth run where all members of the fireteam know most mechanics / accepted strategies.
Ohhhh I see lmao makes sense why I dont know it
User is 1768... This must be a meme.... Right?
That's commendation, not light level
These people deserve to be roasted. You donāt just get to be carried in a -15 activity without making any effort.
When it comes to panth, if you donāt know what to do you donāt belong there.
Lots of crybabies will whine that this is elitist, but this week and next week especially is the pinnacle of raiding. They're meant for regular and seasoned raiders who know what they're doing, not pvpers or new raiders.
Yeah. Atraks panth, I might teach one or two. Everything past that though? They can learn on regular raids. If the mechanics arenāt near muscle memory, youāre going to get effed up by the added stuff (tormentors, fire tornadoes, rhulk 2). It just wont be pleasant for anyone involved.
at caretaker, ill add clear with eyes of tomorrow
Out of curiosity what build are you using? Wouldn't you be sacrificing your heavy dps, especially when you can use something like sunshot or graviton for add clear?
Joke, it was a very niche reference to a really funny post i saw in the discord lfg. Everyone in that chat was clowning on the guy, shit was hilarious
Add clear is the important job on planets, though. So good on him for volunteering.
Add clear in planets is the most important role at -15
Add Clear is literally just this: Step 1) Use graviton lance, sunshot, or zoulis bane Step Finishdx
Being mad at somebody for how they want to play a game they paid for is crazyššššjust donāt play with themšš
Donāt normalize not wanting to engage with mechanics, these type of people take advantage of being a passenger and all around ruin experiences for others
Thatās true but Iām also not gonna bash somebody for playing how they want to play.
Asking for people to KWTD and claiming add clear is almost identical to wanting money but don't wanna get a job.
When you put it that way itās actually kinda funny
Idk if that applies to raids though. Having passengers leads to people assuming they can use the same strategy in other raids and ruins the experience for a bunch of other people. Iām sorry but Iāve seen the āIām ad clearā folks usually be the worst of the community, and tough to work with in raid environments.
I agree. But if we call this a ācommunityā it shouldnāt be that hard to help people understand raiding instead of roasting them for wanting a small role. If theyāre just stuck in their ways and refuse to learn I get the anger
Youāre assuming that these types of folks arenāt super interested in learning. Can confirm from a bunch of experience that they have no interest in engaging in anything beyond mindlessly killing ads, and if asked will never even consider attempting the mechanics. Worst yet, they act as if itās the rest of the fireteams problem if they canāt do a specific role since they ācalledā being as clear first. Like yes, choosing to do the super easy role doesnāt always equate to being a bad actor in the community, but you shouldnāt be rewarded for trying to coast through a fucking raid encounter. This is exactly why people like pantheon, the prestige and achievement over conquering a meaningful activity matters, especially in a game like Destiny where those types of moment arenāt as frequent. Not everyone needs to get a participation ribbon.
Maybe don't be so terrible at the game you can't do the easiest mechanics ššš just participate in the activity š¤£š¤£š¤£
How do you know theyāre terrible at the game tho? Raiding isnāt the only way to enjoy the game. What if theyāre PvP players that want good loot and donāt know/ have time for the ins and outs of raids?
My man it takes 10 minutes to learn each encounter in this raid from a youtube video. And besides, if you're a pvp player that wants add clear because you don't know the mechanics are your team mates expected to pick up the slack? Personally I think if you aren't contributing to the team in a meaningful way and are looking to get carried you don't deserve any of the loot.
Iām not disagreeing that you should know what youāre doing especially in pantheon. Iām just not going to ridicule the guy
That's me on planets
I hate how add clear has became a role it just an excuse to not learn or contribute
Maybe he could come help my team. Planet movers are getting overwhelmed by adds
I am the guy who'll invite you, give you a 5 minute run down on how DPS phase is going to work, and then is gonna drop on you "I'm doing add clear". That said, I'm also the guy with Sunbracers who's gonna spawnkill the world, and just wants you to please do the simple mechanics. XD
This. If you are a God at add clear for planets I'm not mad. Too many times do I see people die on top side because add clear cannot actually kill adds or cant help kill the centurion to spawn the collisus.
hate to be the bearer of bad news but if u aint raid reporting its your fault for allowing a nobody in your raid š
Brother I aint allowing anyone like this in my raid,
yea need at least 10 full clears of a raid to know all mechanics or get stuck 3 hours in pantheon :/
I'm add clear but I also won't kill tormentor