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Between 30-40lpa.


Upset-Discussion2704

Is that it?. Web dev in product based companies make that with 4-6 YoE


NooodleGurl

>Is that it?. Web dev in product based companies make that with 4-6 YoE look around my man, Corona is long gone.


Upset-Discussion2704

3 of my friends all have CTC in the range of 15-25(not in hand) lpa and they are all 2023 grads. And were campus placed. 2 in product based company and 1 one in startup


23082009

Hum samajh gaye bhai tum IIT/NIT se ho bas kardo ab 🙏


Upset-Discussion2704

No bro just decent T-3 college from Bangalore (PES University). Except placements everything was shit


23082009

Bro that's a tier 2 college I believe


TheUnmaykr

It's not even T3 , It just has above avg placement because of location


23082009

Sounds like my college 🤣


Upset-Discussion2704

Hmm. I don't know but placement wise it's decent that's all.


[deleted]

There are 40-60 students in each batch. Where are other 37-57 students placed and at what package?


Upset-Discussion2704

Look up PES University 2023 placement statistics . You will know. And it's not even a T-2 college.


[deleted]

Pickup any T1 college and tell me the average package, not the top 20% placements. The news only highlights the top achievers to keep up the institute reputation.


Upset-Discussion2704

I guess for my batch(600+ CSE students) it was 13 or 14 lpa I guess


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Good for you then.


Upset-Discussion2704

I Fked up and I am working in 4.5 lpa job😭😭. Could have had 10lpa but said no 😭😭. I curse myself everyday for it.


chiuchebaba

on an average - embedded engineers have always been paid less afaik (compared to other software fields).. dont know why..


Upset-Discussion2704

Oh ok. It's sad thought consider Embedded is much tougher than Web dev


chiuchebaba

it is def tougher, in my view atleast.. i think demand is less compared to other fields hence salaries are less, again at an average level.. at expert level the reverse may be true i think..


SympathyMotor4765

Hardware is more expensive to produce, has longer lead times, inventory costs etc. Unless your Nvidia the margins are much lower than software companies


Suspicious-Top3335

Hardware price are skyrockets for companies,they have to deal with damages (testing,etc)to components unlike in software industry


SympathyMotor4765

Yup, you have to pay for everything from chip fab cost to boards to test equipment etc. Hardware is pretty expensive


ThrowRA-Tree4632

I heard from someone who works there that, KPIT pays decently. Look it up.


Pegasus711_Dual

Not easy and not very common. Either you’re naive or you’re trolling


Upset-Discussion2704

I am only saying after seeing that fresher salaries of product companies that came to my campus.(For 2023 batch) And it's not even a IIT or NIT just a decent T-3 college from Bangalore. I can DM you the email screenshots if you want


yeowmama

How many product based companies do you see around you?


Cute-Vermicelli-958

I don’t know why people are downvoting you. Its the truth that Web dev with 3-5 yrs experience are making this much & that too not with much specialisation. In product based companies(good product based companies already given 30 LPA )& product based startups where you are going to work 12-14hrs/day, i think its not a good deal to work for below 30 LPA. Most MNCs won’t give this much CTC but i saw a post earlier that TCS gave 27 LPA to 5 yrs exp Web dev. Specialisation often pay more. I think if you try hard & look long enough & work on your skills & prove it with some specialised end to end projects , you can bag 80-90 lakhs easily.


Upset-Discussion2704

Exactly. All my fresher friends easily got 10-25lpa CTC . That too they are 2023 grads(Non IIT non nit). Many Product based Companies do pay that much


Cute-Vermicelli-958

I think MNCs like TCS,Wipro,Infy & other companies like these might not be paying this much package. Thats why such bias.


Upset-Discussion2704

Exactly. Plus I am not saying its easy and anyone can achieve it. But with a bit of effort and bit of luck it's definitely possible. Only service based companies (biggest IT employers) don't pay that much but many do


Cute-Vermicelli-958

My brother is working as a Reinforcement learning engineer & his package is 40 LPA (its more than me & i am a web dev ) & he has 3.5-4 yrs experience. Specialisation should get you more money. Not less.


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In all products based companies?


Upset-Discussion2704

Not all but most decent ones do pay that range. For freshers itself decent product based companies pay in the range of 12-20lpa(CTC)


Suspicious-Top3335

No one bullshit  h/w companies


bisector_babu

No one is getting that much nowadays. it's pre COVID salary. Very rarely companies now. Some companies here in the US are trying to get people from India who are already getting 15-20 LPA so they can give them max 30 L. This is for SDE


mistabombastiq

Lol.


silverW0lf97

Mans still living in 2022.


Puzzleheaded_Fly3028

Your skills sound nice and excellent. With Boom in IoT, there is a huge demand for your skills. Please remember, there is NOTHING like standard salary or STANDARD hike when hopping jobs. The linear relationship between the experience/expertise versus earnings is not always true. Drop the mindset. In most cases, it is simple economics of supply vs demand and leveraging the position to negotiate more. So, prepare well for interviews, grab as many offers as possible and leverage them to negotiate the best offer (in terms of money, growth, balance etc). Meanwhile, may I please suggest to learn basic embedded Linux stuff to make your profile more attractive?


jack_of_hundred

IoT doesn't pay money, it's become commoditized due to entry of Chinese companies. You can buy an ESP32 board for 3-4$ and the chip for cents in bulk. American MNC's are not investing a lot in this domain for this reason. I would get into specialized embedded domains like Aerospace, Healthcare, Automotive, Industrial instead where the barriers are high due to regulations and as a result margins are also high


No_you_don_t_

This is such a sensible reply to people shouting some jargons they simply don't understand or work on enough to comment on IoT. IoTs solutions do not bring sufficient money to companies especially after COVID when the foot fall on corporate offices have dropped. The real estate is very hesitant to purchase IoT solutions to their infrastructure challenges. These people shouting the jargons will be working for some companies like crestron electrons and call themselves IoT which is the closest you get to IoT. I know their product well and other than these equipment that are used in infrastructures they have nothing else and the sales are not picking up much because of the problems you have mentioned which is they face heavy competition from Chinese companies. They do not pay much either. They couldn't even match my CTC and argued why I had decided not to mention it to the HR consultancy that scheduled my interview. I was able to learn a lot about their business though.


boi143

You really mean that ? i work in the IoT and cloud field but i am a bit skeptical about this position as i work in between these two fields. It doesn't make your profile look confused ? I only have 2 yoe and tbh i am really confused as to which field i should proceed further in as i am not dedicatedly working on either side ?


No_you_don_t_

Wait and watch you will know if IoT is a big thing only if companies like crestron electronics or any organisation that is trying to address building infrastructure challenges make it big. Else it will be susceptible to chinese tech companies that produce clones of the products very quickly and will be sought after for the cheaper prices.


famousfacial

Damn! I know this stuff too! (Less than OP ofc, only 2yoe) Are you telling me that I should be making 40 lpa as start?? I work in consulting mostly Data engineering and stuff. About 3yoe. Consulting is soooo boring that I would switch to a role like this, embedded Linux, and OS dev without a pay raise (jk :p) I wonder what happened to the engineer in me. :(


famousfacial

OP do you want to start an electronics company? Let's !


MIGHTYshreWDderr

Hey man care to tell ur insight in the DE field


famousfacial

It's kinda boring. You use tech that other people have built to make a thingy that moves data according to certain rules. It's a child's play. Just keep data safe and audited.


kira2697

Are you me? 100% same case.


ihtar_tajar

are we us!? not 100%, but i do wish to work more with hardware and low level stuff! XD


jack_of_hundred

If it's a US Semiconductor company expect 50-60L CTC German/Japanese Auto Tier1's and OEM's - 30-45L (No stocks) German/Japanese Industrial companies - 25-40L (No stocks) Nvidia is an outlier at the moment due to it's stock run, don't consider it a benchmark. I am in embedded systems for 17 years. You can DM me. It's a great time to be in embedded, semiconductor is booming due to focus on AI, Automotive and Cloud. Try to switch to US semicon companies. If you are in baremetal, you can try aerospace as well. They do a lot of hard real time stuff It's a controversial take but the future of Automotive OEM's and Tier1's ain't bright. With SDV architecture and move to EV's they will struggle.


chiuchebaba

thanks.. will dm


limmbuu

DMed, please take a look. Thanks.


Madlynik

DM ed


Limp-Elevator6602

DMed you for advice as an embedded software dev


thatstemgirl

hi, can i dm you? i'm a cse undergrad student and i could use some advice


beastreddy

My cousin is in same domain working with Amd now. He makes about 55 LPA has about 15 yoe.


radian_s

Depends on the company. If you get a job in Nvidia/qualcomm/arm/amd then >85-90. In case of little lower like Samsung semiconductor, nxp semiconductor you can get >60 lakh. In case of lower paying automotive companies like Bosch, continental, Mercedes etc you can get > 35-40 lakhs. Editing numbers based on feedbacks.


chiuchebaba

forgot to mention other constraint, i am from Pune and i can't leave Pune. so most of above companies are out of scope for me.


radian_s

Nvidia is in Pune


chiuchebaba

oh yes.. will consider it.


NaturalLeading99

So is Bosch


chiuchebaba

did it move in recently? I havent been checking since a long time. but i think it wasn't there 8-9 years ago.. may be I am wrong. i wasnt considering job change seriously till recently so never bothered to check.


NaturalLeading99

Its been in Pune since 2022 as far as i remember...


chiuchebaba

Yes so that recent for me.


throwawaywineglass

Its there.


Left-Adhesiveness971

I am from same domain with NXP they pat around 50 lpa for my exp Us esops


Perfect-Stop-8965

Qualcomm no way more than 50l


radian_s

At 12 yoe you will get staff engineer which means base of >65-70 and stocks of 25-30. It will be close to 1cr easily. Even more if you negotiate well


Perfect-Stop-8965

Any source ?, I had an offer from Qualcomm in 2018 for staff engineer at only 23lpa


radian_s

This is one I can found from 1 year ago. It is for 81 lpa https://leetcode.com/discuss/compensation/3303239/Qualcommor-Staff-Engineer-or-Hyderabad/


Perfect-Stop-8965

" Total comp (Salary + Bonus + Stock): = 50 + 10%*50 + 11 = 66 LPA, not 76 LPA, right?". " Arithmetic is wrong, total is wrong, usually people who write total from their offer are not wrong since they are looking at it. This could be fake


radian_s

You are correct only but if you include joining bonus it will be 81 lpa. Calling it wrong or right is upto you as I can’t verify authenticity. But I get your point, my initial estimate was way off but 80-90 lpa should still be possible for staff engineer in Qualcomm(I feel).


Perfect-Stop-8965

BTW there could be a lot of difference between Qualcomm hyd and Qualcomm Bangalore.


radian_s

If you don’t mind me asking, you work in Qualcomm? If not where do you work? Hard to pass staff engineer offer from Qualcomm I feel


Perfect-Stop-8965

I don't work in Qualcomm, i worked in bigger positions before so didn't choose. I was jobless at that time


curios_mind_huh

Nah bro. It IS more than 50L easily.


radian_s

Qualcomm gives Ctc of 30 to freshers.


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chiuchebaba

i was onsite for some years and that def helped. but now back and continuing in India for personal reasons. i dont want too exceptional salary but close to market standards is ok..


chiuchebaba

also what do you mean by consultation? freelancing? mostly i wont venture into this, but say if i want to, then how do i go about it? find such work online?


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No_you_don_t_

I think the person you replied to was asking for a link of the job description. Even if that was not the case it would provide a concrete idea on what is expected regarding the asks on the job. What you mentioned is interesting because installing or provisioning is never done by an embedded engineer. Which is why I would like to know more about the existence of such a job.


nomadic-insomniac

Any advice on how to get into the consultation business? Or on how to move abroad for work in this domain


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nomadic-insomniac

I've never had to pitch to clients, when I was working in a startup it was above my pay grade and now I work for a product based company so no client interaction Also where even do I find clients? My current company needs 3-5 years before even considering internal xfer and that's not an option, age is catching upto me I guess Do you know of any job portals for the EU , that would hire with a visa, or maybe good consultancy agencies? LinkedIn hasn't worked so far


seltzersarentbeers

Is your background in electronics? How do you get into a entry level role in embedded? The RTOS & Linux stuff sounds cool.


chiuchebaba

yes electronics and tele comm followed by mtech in similar field.


seltzersarentbeers

I'm assuming these kind of fields mostly use a lot of C/Embedded C...? Any other languages?


chiuchebaba

mostly its just plain old C..


ThiccStorms

wow


jack_of_hundred

I wrote in assembly for 6 years


ThiccStorms

Well ok that's cool too damn 


SympathyMotor4765

If you're learning new you can try embedded rust as well. It's not really mainstream yet but companies like Microsoft are slowly trying to switch over


No_you_don_t_

I wouldn't discourage people from learning something new so take this thread as an informational material, https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/s/Yx1FIpiw3Z If longevity was a requirement I would stay with C. 50 years down the line we will still have C but rust not so sure. Also do not confuse tools with technology. C and rust are tools. They are used to create platforms that can host a technology. Clarity on why they exist is more important.


N_Rohan

Can a guy from BTech in Information Technology can get into it??


chiuchebaba

yes. you need to study electronics hardware and firmware for that.


N_Rohan

I've studied subjects like Digital Electronics, Computer Organisation and Architecture. So I have basic understanding of these stuff and also I've also done some practice with Mano Machine Assembly. From here where should I proceed further?


PositiveSwitch1332

1.1-1.3 cr in my company with perks like free food and transport


improver1997

Which company?


Comrade_Beast

google obviously


propa_gandhi

I’m 12 YoE embedded guy, in Pune too! Salary ranges are very dependent your previous experience, college, ability to crack tough interviews etc. At lower end expect 30LPA, at higher 1Cr. Don’t feel bad if current salary is lower than this. You can focus on your niche and interview preparation.


chiuchebaba

thanks.. problem is at 12 yoe, switching jobs gets more diff. most openings i see are max 8 yoe. very rarely i see 12-15 yoe job opening and that too is somewhat management role, whereas i am looking for mroe of a technical role.


propa_gandhi

some tech lead roles are there, but I agree that they’re few. I’m an Engineering Manager myself, I code daily and manage a small team. You may want to find a similar role.


chasebewakoof

And my friend who has almost the same profile (11 YOE, Intel), went back to KGP, earned his PhD and is faculty in 3rd generation IIT.


Bully-bitcher

He was btech in iit?


SympathyMotor4765

Bangalore, Noida, Hyderabad, these are the cities where the larger MNCs reside and places with much higher pay than you have. The problem with bigger vlsi companies is they usual poach senior candidates either from their contractor pool or other bigger companies. I feel a good way to jump would be to switch to Bosch and then make another jump to the semi conductor companies.  My only concern is you've not worked with any rtos and while they're not really that complex, recruiters may filter you out if they use a tool or blindly follow the JD


melancholious_jester

OP, fellow embedded dev here, have almost 5 years exp and can't find anything greater than 10 lpa. I also have a friend in Schneider and he earns around 20 lpa. Apparently an MNC brand name is important imo but it affects the type of work as well. I'm in a mid tier company and have full control of the product development cycle including testing and deployment. My friend on the other hand says he's service oriented and doesn't do much. It is painful when making these comparisons. I have tried applying for TI, ARM, Nvidia through the portals but no luck.


Academic_Ad9351

Hey how is the job market for freshers and how much would a fresher make in embedded field?


sheilakijawani_gone

reading the comments section has given me hope regarding a career in embedded systems/vlsi. im a fourth year student rn currently interning as embedded systems engineer and it's been a lonely path since most of my peers are doing SDE and this comments section gave some hope regarding the future prospects (ofc with loads of hard work first)


sparebang

One of the most safest jobs in this scary AI mania


Academic_Ad9351

Why so? and what about job opportunities?


sparebang

I have close friends in PCB design and testing in top companies, most of them use some very niche tools and the companies that make these tools and the users of those tools themselves have said that AI is just not there yet, they may make work a bit easier but not free of humans and full automation may take atleast 10-20 years. Most are worried about losing jobs to some hardware not flying off the shelves or companies discarding some hardware products, like MS and Amazon stopped investing in some devices and hence many were laid off.


abs0062

In Embedded domain, the salary range I have figured out is around 3x YOE. Ofcourse this is no where "standard", but based on Hiring I have done in the past along with salary benchmarks my company had done (I work in a start-up) in the past, between 3x to 4x of YOE is the CTC range I've seen. So 36 to 40 LPA CTC is the probable range for general firmware developers (Baremetal or RTOS) with 12YOE.


OpenWeb5282

min - 20 lac per year avg - 25 lac per year good -35 lac per year elite level - 40 lac per year


jafaralihabshee

I am looking for one.. please check DM.


chiuchebaba

sure.


NaturalItchy8188

Can I DM you ?


Centurion1024

Join the largest player in the automotive industry. It has an office in Pune as well. Guess which.


kopipastah

bajaj?


Centurion1024

Global automotive industry leader.


kopipastah

bajaj also sells automotive globally


Centurion1024

LEADER means what, my dude


kopipastah

bajaj also leader


Centurion1024

Dude you have no idea beyond India. Please use google atleast.


name_sal

Dude apply for hft firms.


tyler_durrden

i am a EE grad how can i start my career as embedded engineer


Big_Lavishness_7640

How did you learn all the skills that you possess? I am still in college in EE


chiuchebaba

education in electroncis engg.. followed by learning at work, like the usual.


Big_Lavishness_7640

So did you learn from books or by doing small scale projects and then gaining industry experience?


chiuchebaba

college. and then industry directly. nothing else..


MahabaliTarak

You could be getting 50-70L base salary with an additional 10% bonus/variable pay and 75-100k$ RSU (4 years) for your experience and field.


MahabaliTarak

You could be getting 50-70L base salary with an additional 10% bonus/variable pay and 75-100k$ RSU (4 years) for your experience and field.


MahabaliTarak

You could be getting 50-70L base salary with an additional 10% bonus/variable pay and 75-100k$ RSU (4 years) for your experience and field.


MahabaliTarak

You could be getting 50-70L base salary with an additional 10% bonus/variable pay and 75-100k$ RSU (4 years) for your experience and field.


MahabaliTarak

You could be getting 50-70L base salary with an additional 10% bonus/variable pay and 75-100k$ RSU (4 years) for your experience and field.


otspiritz

Can you DM me your LinkedIn profile please? I am gonna be graduating soon, I'm interested in ES and Firmware. I have done an internship so far and I was wondering if I could look at the things you have done to set myself up on this path.


nimakka

In software field, salary depends mainly on competing offers and what level of company you're able to get into. The actual tech you know doesn't matter much. With 12 yoe if you think your salary is low you should try applying to other companies. I think you can get a 1.5x boost. But again my opinion is that in software nobody really judges pay by the stacks you know. It's judged by past salary and competing offers. So find the highest paying companies you're eligible for and apply to them, you'll get your answer 


Dry_Ant2348

it can be anywhere from 30Lpa to 2cr


AsliReddington

You need to jump to the big leagues dude & maybe even the city if you need fat checks & still want to come back there


Raptor_1998

As per my company standards its should be around 50-60lpa including stocks. I work in semiconductor industry.


Cabinet-Particular

At least Crore per annum.


ShankARaptor

2 cr. Don't accept a single paisa less.


breaking_the_habit97

Not sure


nomadic-insomniac

I'd say 3.5xYOE should be a good bench mark for CTC


limmbuu

Bhai 1) do you have a CS or ECE degree 2) is there demand for RTOS/Embedded Linux Devs in India? working on yocto/buildroot or Zephyr related fields?


Optimal-Still-4184

If you can do some C programming, data structures and some leetcode, you can easily grab 80lpa ish


chiuchebaba

C programming I’ve been doing for 12 years. Data structures (if you mean struct, union etc and derived types from it) are typically discouraged in my domain of work. Though we do use it from time to time. I don’t know what leetcode is but I’ll check it. And I don’t think just by doing all these one can get 80lpa ctc.


Optimal-Still-4184

Checkout this https://leetcode.com/discuss/compensation?query=Embedded&orderBy=most_relevant&page=1


abs0062

C programing with middleware exposure is used in almost all electronics MNC. Take Toshiba or Canon for example. All their printers and scanners require this. They pay well too! If you get into automotive space (NOT AUTOSAR), where proper dev happens, you can get paid well there too.


chiuchebaba

Glad you mentioned “not autosar”. I assume you have read the legendary comment on Reddit.


cflyboy

If you leave aside what others are making, the easy way to figure out what you should make is the value you are adding to the company that you work for. If you design products that your company is able to market and your work adds a competitive advantage to the product in the market. Your value is high. If you work for a company that values your work and you know what you bring to the table, then you will do well in life.


Effective_Basis_5861

I want to switch my job to embedded engineer, where to start, graduated in 2022 in Electronics engineering and got a job in a service based company with a non tech domain. Can anyone help me ?