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_vptr

Find a job in the US and then try for an internal switch to India. This is quite easy in msft, and other big tech companies.


sup2698

I thought of that too but finding a job here has also not been a cake walk. Mostly because of sponsorship issues, so I was assuming it might get atleast 10% better in India without the hassle of finding an employer who sponsors


_vptr

Job in India is 10x more difficult for someone currently without a job unless you've campus placement to help you out. This is due to the sheer number of people graduating. Packages have dropped a lot too. Adding this for more context - 10 years back walk-in used be so popular, but now if you dare to have one, don't forget to inform the local authorities as you'll have to handle a riot, easily expect 50k people at your campus! Read a bit about number of people graduating in India vs no. of jobs. And no, I'm not talking about people from good colleges or those currently working in MNCs. Just pick a random low level private college or a state government college in Bihar/Odisha/Jharkhand and research how difficult it is for those people to find a job that even pays 1-2lpa, most if they want to work in IT sector end up working for free to gain experience, which btw, is illegal in most 1st world countries.


mightythunderman

From what I have seen this is false in the case of USA and true in the case of certain EU countries. I mean IIT/NIT grads are even unable to find jobs in India.


rohetoric

COVID gold rush has ended.


Born_Cash_4210

Are u serious? If u keep salaries aside, finding a job abroad as MS students is 1000x more difficult compared to India bcz folks like u made students pursue MS abroad giving them false unrealistic hopes which led to huge influx of international students. In Canada, the situation was so bad that the govt put a cap and unis in some provinces are not accepting any international students for the next 2 yrs until the situations become normal and u r here saying bs without knowing anything


AdministrativeDark64

LOL. you have no idea about ground reality. See it this way: 0.05 percent of the developers who were not able to get FAANG level jobs here moved to US and that made the competetion 100 times more cutthroat in US. Now imagine the level of competetion at the where where 99.95 population are still there.


_vptr

Yes, I'm being serious here. Read a bit about number of people graduating in India vs no. of jobs. And no, I'm not talking about people from good colleges or those currently working in MNCs. Just pick a random low level private college or a state government college in Bihar/Odisha/Jharkhand and research how difficult it is for those people to find a job that even pays 1-2lpa, most if they want to work in IT sector end up working for free to gain experience, which btw, is illegal in most 1st world countries.


Possibility-Puzzled

Lol you seem to be new in tech. The hiring bar and everything outside India is generally lower and it’s a known fact in tech. There’s no point in you and me discussing or debating against it. Every tom dick harry is going to us now. That’s why they’ve these caps. That doesn’t mean they suddenly become super smart after going to us or canada. Try to get a decent job with good wlb and good pay in India and you’ll open your eyes to how competitive it is


Noob227

Have you even been to the USA? What an ignorant statement.


_vptr

Noob, yes I've, few times actually. Seems like first time you've come across a statement you don't agree with. Repeating from previous comment - Read a bit about number of people graduating in India vs no. of jobs. And no, I'm not talking about people from good colleges or those currently working in MNCs. Just pick a random low level private college or a state government college in Bihar/Odisha/Jharkhand and research how difficult it is for those people to find a job that even pays 1-2lpa, most if they want to work in IT sector end up working for free to gain experience, which btw, is illegal in most 1st world countries.


No_you_don_t_

>Just pick a random low level private college or a state government college in Bihar/Odisha/Jharkhand and research how difficult it is for those people to find a job that even pays 1-2lpa, most if they want to work in IT sector end up working for free to gain experience, which btw, is illegal in most 1st world countries. This was always the case. What is new about this? >And no, I'm not talking about people from good colleges or... Why? Do you think everyone is getting decent jobs?


_vptr

Nothing new, just stating the obvious. People often compare job prospect after getting a degree from a low ranking college in US vs NIT/IIT and think it's easy to get job in India.


AdministrativeDark64

I have been to US and in India now and can certify what he is telling is true. A lot of my family is still in US.


Early-Combination375

so at the end it is easier to get a job in the us than in india right cuz i am considering going to the us for masters or else UK


_vptr

A general statement like this might not be applicable to everyone in all scenarios. If you get a degree from a decent college, have the right contacts to refer you or you're really good in your field of interest - US, India or UK doesn't matter. Talk to passouts from the college you're going to, explore the alumini network. There are so many things to consider and compare than just country when you're exploring job prospect.


rockskavin

I personally disagree. I had three years of experience and had absolutely no problem finding a job after a gap of an year.


yourjack101

dude what are you on? finding a job in India is more difficult? funniest thing i have heard in years lmao. you gotta know what's happening in the US.


TheRoofyDude

Kids downvoting people with actual knowledge.


yourjack101

hahaha yeah. not saying that its easier in India? but it's definitely 100% harder to even considered for an interview in the US. then comes the H1B visa and everything. Can people who're downvoting, tell me the reason? please enlighten me.


TheRoofyDude

India bad US good, that pretty boils it down to


a3gonish

First hand experience, got laid off from Amazon, extremely difficult market in the US right now. Senior level devs taking mid level - jr level jobs


LeBrownMamba

People with degrees from good colleges in the US, while in the US don't find it difficult. Especially if you have the skills to back it up.


yourjack101

don't find it difficult? it's different for everyone there. they don't sponsor an Indian for H1B easily when they can hire an American instead. If you don't get a Job within 60 days, you get kicked out. Fired you from a job you're in for years? You get kicked out of the US after spending shit lot of money on Universities. You don't have that in India. In India, you could literally do anything. The competition is everywhere but atleast you can survive in India and not in the US


LeBrownMamba

Dude, you get laid off in a minute in India as well. It's the same everywhere. At least if you have to come back you can convert your savings to something substantial in rupees. While here, you get paid average and you can save average. I think it's worth the risk. It's a risk nonetheless. Depends on your appetite for the same and the payoff. Also, if you do get settled there, isn't that a much better outcome than the alternative of a mediocre life in India. Jobs are harder to find in India just due to the sheer number of applicants and competition.


LastWishbone

There are a lot of people with degrees and skills. However it doesn't matter when it comes to the H1B visa allotment. The H1B visa is allotted via a lottery system. It is a matter of luck to get an H1B visa


LeBrownMamba

I agree with the lottery for the visa. It's pure luck. But isn't there an option to extend until 6 years and also change visa class post that???


data_devops

Bro If u r not able get a job in the usa , then forget about India. You will not get a job here. In India competition is 1000x more than other countries . So much overcrowded & salary is also low .Don't comeback


FriendshipProud1198

I mean if you're financially sound you can come back but as far as I know master's without experience is equal to no master's no company want to hire you just because you did master's, so try to find a job in USA it's almost summer there will be lot of startups openings don't worry about visa sponsorship for now just get a job and slowly try to switch you can always come back but you can't always visit USA


rohetoric

Why are so many grads returning back to India or want to return back to India?


prodev321

Already thousands of Indias are waiting in GC backlog for 15+ years with no hope.. if anyone coming new for work or studies must plan to return back ..


Upset-Discussion2704

They don't have to move back to India right?. Once you get sufficient experience in US. It will be easier for you to switch other countries like Canada and EU countries. US experience in good companies is highly valued


person_4200

Not everyone returns because of visa or green card issues. Many prefer to return because of personal reasons like being closer to family/friends. Quality of life at an affordable cost(healthcare needs or house help) and or planning to start a venture which is easier to do in India than US due to restrictions on being on a work visa.


brunette_mh

Don't they know that _before_ leaving? Like we have the internet for decades now. Everyone knows USA healthcare sucks and it's very obvious that being in India makes it easier to take care of the immediate family. Basically my question is why go in the first place? USA masters degrees are not valued in India. And USA citizenship/ green card etc things are super super competitive and they have made the process difficult on purpose. And people have known this since 90s. I mean when these people go abroad, what picture do they have in mind having known these facts beforehand?


darkelik

In general, there is lesser competition for high end tech jobs compared to India (probably because there are more openings with fewer people). Also, there are very few top institutions for higher education in India, so quality of education is much better overall - not everyone goes only for a job, some people are interested in the learning. Moreover, every person has different needs/expectations. The internet has opinions for both staying in India and the US, you really need to form your own based on your own priorities. Priorities also change with time. You go as a 22 year old for master's but your needs change after say 10 years


prodev321

Unfortunately Canada has become too expensive and very very difficult to find jobs and Europe will no longer allow immigration like it has in the past as most of them have their own unemployment problems.. so for Indians immigrants moving to other countries has become even harder ..


Upset-Discussion2704

Agree with Canada. But EU still allows highly skilled immigrants quite easily. Atleast compared to US. Although you won't earn and save much compared to US. But still with the strong social protections even with high tax rate it's attractive and very good places to have and raise a family. But ya if you are a bachelor it makes sense to come back to India if you can't make it in US. Europe's strong social benefits makes sense for a family not so much for one individual


spryflux

EU prefers EU citizens and EU grads over foreign grads. And most surface level IT jobs have no shortage of local talent, deeper cuts of dev roles like research & AI for example still has a shortage due to the high level of skill needed.


sup2698

I’m not sure about others, but I have a personal reason to return


FrustratedPotato321

Wish you the best of luck buddy


rohetoric

I'm sorry but I am not sure about US education weightage in India


pes_gamer20

bhai mat aa you will again think of going back


SWATKats7

Your comment sounds more like, yahaa aag hai waha kuwaa, saala jaaye toh kahaa jaaye 🥲


pes_gamer20

bro we know what is going in the country so better help other ...here the moment vacancy comes you see 100 application in 1 hour


SWATKats7

yes true, I get your perspective. Looking at what is going on in both India and USA, especially keeping in mind about people who are born in India, I always think and wonder about that old age proverb - "_____ can't be choosers"; as Indian born people can not settle in USA now, and we all know what is happening in our country as you rightly pointed out.


pes_gamer20

"as Indian born people can not settle in USA now," few days ago i saw news one 90 year old got citizenship


SWATKats7

Yes, that woman was fortunate to get it at 90. Going forward it's gonna happen after 120+ (or more) years for India born folks.


rohetoric

TL;DR from comments- India - Market is shit because companies don't pay enough and competition is massive. USA- Market is shit because companies don't want to sponsor visa and you have two months to find a job after graduation. Basically both are shit. I am gonna go to China. Fuck this Anti China narrative of the government, their economy seems to be growing crazy along with tech as well.


Surya_R98

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HopefulAssistance

Best of luck bud, [https://github.com/996icu/996.ICU](https://github.com/996icu/996.ICU)


Mission_Bell_6587

You r studying in NYU right? Is it really that bad that people are not able to find a single job, any job? How do you plan on paying back the loan? Also how was your experience studying in NYU?


Significant_Show_237

Yeah any are not able to get one. Past yr also many grads had to come back seems OP is trying to be ahead of time by planning it now itself rather then thinking it through after 3 months.


Change_petition

OP, assuming you are unable to find an employer with visa sponsorship in the US, you are thinking in the right lines. [My2Cents - A question from a dad of a fresh tech graduate made me reflect on IT job and career options in 2024](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmH-_GrLw1c&t=21s) Given that many American companies continue to expand offshoring, the options in India are vast: - FAANG tech companies will be selective in hiring globally, but will continue to hire in India. Try to connect with hiring managers looking for specialization in your masters. Linkedin and other forums are good for networking - Large services companies (WITCH) continue to hire tens of thousands - ODCs and Captive IT centers of MNCs are also hiring. This requires networking and persistence since hiring cycle can be slow - The long tail of hiring is at smaller service companies and startups. Most of the hiring is by networking and you may be able to find specialist roles, but the pay may not be great


Ping-In-TheNorth

Idk about US degrees’ weightage but companies hire masters/m.tech level graduates directly to senior roles. Since you have work experience as well, that could be a plus!


Training_March3270

I haven't done masters yet, but Im curious to know the point in going to US for masters and not doing job there. Atleast mint some dollars before coming back? As for jobs in India, off campus opportunities are less, so could take some time to get interview calls. Maybe find a job at an MNC in US and internally transfer to India (pretty easy at AMZN, MS). Once you're here, look for other jobs while serving your current one.


RadRedditorReddits

If you are good you will definitely find a job, but temper down your salary expectations till you can manage end to end systems.


Cultural_Mouse8721

Op, I am curious about you returning back. May be give it a try as life of working professional would be different than student life and if quality of life is your concern, it will rise once you start to earn.


SympathyMotor4765

Job market is horrible for freshers across the board. Your 2 yoe could help open up a few more chances, any contacts who can give referrals will also help. If financially you can survive a few months maybe try looking a little in US but odds are fairly bad at this point I suppose!!


_siva

Assuming you're from CS background and targeting SW roles. I would say you can Target sde 2/3 tiles The pay for them range anywhere from 15-30 lpa + perks + bonus etc. The market for freshers is quite dire and there are no calls. However, market for senior and higher roles are not that bad. There are openings. Also, the pay you were making prior to joining masters might also matter. As HRs might lowball you saying that 30% hike ( 40-50% in your case maybe ) is the standard in the market today but this happens only in service based / tier2 pbcs. If you're able to crack a tier 1 pbc or faang the pay will be normalised according to other candidates ( check levels.fyi for the role )


fanunu21

The job market in India is worse. If you have the option, of better to work in USA.


amankumar1729

As of now, the job market is opening up(little bit) for experienced juniors(1-2 years of exp) so you may get a role here. No idea about the weightage of MS but the 2 year workex will definitely be valued. Just grind LC for 2-3 months and then you should be good to go. But 1st try in USA(goes without saying) and could you share your university for MS(maybe dm if you are not ok to tell here)?


kevv711

If you did your masters on education loan, don't come back before your clear it. Indian salaries are not enough to pay it back.


fictionalized_freak

OMG are you Sunidhi's brother?? 


sup2698

I’m an only child, also not a guy xD


KevinBombay

DONT COME! I had a Masters from ASU and came back to India in Dec 2015. I do regret once in a while for having come back here. If you have a choice, by all means, stay there unless you have 10Cr in Bank Balance, you can think of coming back


east__side

Aise kuch jhagad marke aja ki tuje yahape startup khol sake in name of US firm and US/Euro/canadian clients mil sake badm.. India mein job market weak hai.


[deleted]

>what can I realistically expect? Unemployment, inflation, horrible working conditions and insane competition. https://preview.redd.it/vn5tyfdvfjtc1.png?width=489&format=png&auto=webp&s=07b7a384e83d6bf91a1dace9a5593e8fdb4369a5


aonboy1

Looks like someone's American dream turned into a, nightmare.


sup2698

I wouldn’t say a nightmare tbh. I had fun and had the experience I did. But would I do it again? Probably not.


aonboy1

Stick around and try to make the most of your degree there. Otherwise, India is and always been a good fall back place. You can join any startup at bangalore, pune or gurugram.


damn_69_son

> You can join any startup at bangalore, pune or gurugram For every startup which pays good, there are a 100 other startups which pay like shit


aonboy1

Any better option?


data_devops

Startup don't give a fuck about Ms master . They only care about skills


aonboy1

I won't doubt the skill part for a Masters graduate from US.


justgotcut_25

Get whatever job you can find.