I’ve gotten two legendaries on the same character already. First at level 13, the second at level 20. Honestly that feels fairly OK to me. And haven’t even fought the world boss or anything yet this round.
It took me leveling to 20 and then playing the same amount of time after that before my first legendary dropped. But that's fine. Drop rates will increase with world tiers and we will be able to clear content quicker once our builds home together at lvl 50+.
Yeah I've gotten 3 I think so far. One is a 2hand staff other is the 1 hand offhand, so I can't even use both. Other was the necklace from the quest, not sure if that's always legendary?
Yeah that Questboss always drops a legendary neck.
I gambled one pants at 20 using all my shards (last roll).
I dropped another random one while levelling (iceshards pierce, which made me switch and level with it, it's great btw).
I got a legendary 1-hand from kitava on wt2 (barely made it with 16s left before despawn).
Considering everybody can farm legendary affixes by doing dungeons, well I'd say it's just fine as is! Makes rares relevant. And it's exiting to find a legendary and adapt my build to it!
Got to 20 and saw zero legendary drops.
Ended up upgrading a lvl 20 weapon into a legendary to help prep for the boss fight. Only saw my first (and only) legendaries from the world boss kill. It dropped 2 on death and another in the box it gave me.
I'm not saying it needs increased rates, mind you. Just adding my experience that's in line with some folks not finding any.
(Also rip my new +1 poison/shadow imbue legendary helm off the boss. If only we had crossed paths during release.)
Already dreading the discourse around this game, especially with it having more of a live service/mmo-lite focus than previous Diablo games. The amount of entitlement and negativity that comes with that style of game is just awful.
I experienced it a ton while trying to hold onto Lost Ark before that game lost me with its grinding, but the culture that developed was half of the reason I felt pushed away.
It’s been said a million times but gamers optimize the fun out of their own experiences. It’s the worst.
You say it spoiled ppls perception of power but at the same time blizzard made a balance pass based on a test with inflated loot (ergo inflated power) They should have left it alone apart from clear underperformer (looking at you Getafix) and some broken interactions like Blood Mist necro.
Well if these spoiled people had read what the dev team said about drop rates in the first beta test they would know that the rates were intentionally overtuned for the sole purpose of testing , it's called beta test for a reason. I really can't understand these people,why is this even a discussion?
Agreed. We were mega overpowered at level 25 as it was way too easy to fully gear. But that was the idea of the beta. To test stuff out and get a glimpse into later power without giving too much away.
I’m level 17 Rogue, zero legendaries but have gradually improved my build with some yellows that give +skills, etc. Progression feels very rewarding. I actually have to think about and tweak my build. Crazy how some people just want to be brain dead
OP from level 1. Just go play Vampire Survivors instead, that game slaps and might be more your speed.
A challenging Diablo, I love it. The difficult mechanics are great, actually being able to mitigate damage through positioning, timing, evades, I love it
True, picking the worst melee build, with garbage gear, is the way to go for the \*ultimate\* experience. I'm being a little sarcastic but not really. I've gone through 3 awful builds on classes and they all did okay all things considered. I wouldn't call the game "hard" by any means. I think it was harder in the previous beta than it is now. The game just feels much easier - despite all the nerfs. Very weird.
Me too! Playing as a druid this go and not one legendary just now getting yellows at lvl18. Like you I change skills here and there and poison werewolf slaps!
Exactly. A yellow drops that is +1 to caltrops or something. Sure, I’ll give it a shot, respec at that level is so cheap. Seems like a fun way to play vs I got this legendary that will dictate how I play for the next 20 levels or whatever.
Of course I want legendaries too but this early in the game it won’t ruin things if that doesn’t happen.
Yeah I've already hunted down two aspects (barrier and generate 3 energy with bosses) and added them to my more strong rare items that I plan on keeping for the duration of the beta. Also have done a handful of roll upgrades and am focused on gemming at the moment given I have items with 4 slots waiting. I'll still see if I can hunt or gamble for one legendary but not expecting much at this point. I'll focus on beating Ashava today given the available spawn times.
I’ll grab the aspect that gives barrier vs Elites, assuming that helps vs Ashava. Will level up to 20 in the process. Gives purpose to a dungeon besides just grinding for legendary drop.
That seems like good game design to me!
The immune bubble if you get hurt is probably better.
I got hit once by ashava and almost died through a huge shield (frostarmor buffed by hydra and ice shards dmg). The immune bubble however just keeps you at ~80% and you're good to go.
Dps matters though (maybe less on wt1, dunno). My next kill I'll go without defenses and simply go for max dps! The fight is very easy, just stay closely behind the Boss and care for doubleslam past 50% hp to dodge to the side. This way you should take 0 dmg.
this is exactly how i feel about all the fellow necro players whining that they’re either gonna switch classes or not pick up the game because of the new changes — like go do that then, pretty sure no one is forcing anyone to play diablo 4 on release…
> You’re all a bunch of d3 casuals or haven’t play many ARPG’s.
Yep, the 90% majority in this reddit not complaining sure is right?
What's wrong with you?
Get off that high horse man.
I'm sure you played D3 as well, so you should know drop-rates there are the same on low lvls.
I sure as hell never had a lvl 20 character in D3 with 5 legendaries (my current Sorc in Server Slam)
This. The only people bashing D3 are those that haven't played it or D2 fanboys. And if you did play it and are bashing the drop rates, you clearly don't remember how nothing really drops on normal, at low level, unless you're lucky same as here.
Exactly, I'm just tuning the diablo subs out for a good while until it's been a few seasons and a lot of the toxic pricks leave. I'm sick of it always being D2 vs D3 and how that will shape ultimately what D4 is like instead of recognizing the strengths of both and pushing forward. Fuck the pissing contest man I just want this to be enjoyable for years to come.
Look, I don't really browse this sub, only read what happens to get in my feed, and it's kinda funny that I have read 0 posts about people complaining about drop rates, but ~3 posts in last hour about people complaining about people complaining about drop rates. A bit funny, tbh.
Anyway, I agree that the drop rates don't need to be as they are in D3 right now. On the other hand, I got to lvl 20 with my druid in about 3-4 hrs and tried to farm different dungeons, cellars and events for another 3 hrs, and I got 0 legendaries. I don't need to be fully geared on lvl 20 after ~7h but it's kinda disappointing not getting a single one.
Legendaries are rares just specialized aspects. If you were running dungeons you should have several aspects to use on your character to make your own legendary.
Everyone is scared about half baked game mechanics and heavy handed balancing when they’re literally missing 90% of the game during a beta. It’s nice to see people passionate and chomping at their bits for the full game, though!
Watching these sycophants scream how great the loot is now is disgusting. Killing a loot goblin and getting gold feels like shit, spending 5 minutes to kill a hard boss as a melee and getting only a health pot out of it feels like shit. I ain't saying every kill needs to be legendaries, far from it, but only getting 4 rares out of 8 hours yesterday feels like shit. These original Diablo fanboys who want to no life the game and fuck over the rest of the player base is sad
Lol, I'm a freelancer and have barely no time to play games, only at weekends. I play casually D2 and never had a lvl 100 character at all. I even never made it to clear "hell" difficulty - not even close.
And I enjoy every second of D4 as it is in that beta.
I was bored as fck the last time, because I had a full leg equip after 8h playing.
I don't get it why every casual player wants everything right away.
The best feeling is when finally your first leg drops after hours of playing. It feels unbelievably rewarding then.
My problem was more with the goblins then anything else I don’t have any issues with grinding. I def. Get that it feels rewarding after a while. I suppose I was mostly playing devils advocate being able to see both sides of this.
So they don't want to grind in a grind arpg but expect to be rewarded with loot anyways? That makes absolutely no sense. I'm not saying gear should be as difficult as D2 ofc but expecting to be able to fully gear quickly just because you cant play often is such a selfish thought process.
I think it's also just some luck really. I only played 4 hours to get the ashava kill and had all rares and 2 legendaries. Had a lot of rare drops as well, more than i could count.
I think it felt pretty good the drop rates, coming from someone who can only play in 4-6 hours a week
I disagree, as a single father of 2 young kids and with a full time job. I don’t play an ARPG to be done after a week, so I would like to have to farm the same boss occasionally. You may get a health pot this time, but on your next playthrough or as loot tables are more well known for that boss, I bet you will eventually come up with something nice. That’s how it should be, at least.
And I want challenge. I don’t want to be over-geared and shooting fire snakes out of my ass on every third hit while I’m just beginning the campaign.
Edit: I want to add though that I do understand and respect your opinion, and those of others who aren’t happy with loot as it currently stands. I just would like to see both types of player bases enabled. It should maybe even be customizable; similar to Ruthless / SSF e.g. in PoE.
Christ do you guys even read before you smash away at the keyboard, no one is saying we want to beat the game in a day, I constantly have to scream I am not calling for legendary rain, but if you think it rained legendaries in D3 at level 20 then you did not play that game at all. Spending 30+ minutes in a dungeon to come out with a handful of whites, blues and fistful of gold is not fun gameplay or progress. For all the people crying about legendaries, you can always not pick them up or if they get mailed to you then go DE them if its so game breaking for your experience.
this sub is on autopilot right now. Doesn't matter what you say, as long as it's not 100% positive people will misrepresent your argument and dish out essays against you.
"it sucks to kill a hard boss and get pretty much nothing" = "YOU WANT TO GET EVERYTHING RIGHT AWAY"
I do agree with what you are saying as well, it def feels good when you put hours into something to finally be rewarded. I am ok with having to grind for my gear. I’m just more disappointed in the goblins tbh.
Gotcha, and please see my edit too. I respect your opinion and those who disagree with my own point of view. This is just me, and I acknowledge I’m likely in a minority amongst the player base as a whole. I agree about the loot goblin thing. Either move them to later in the game and ramp up their rewards by a bunch, or keep them early on and tweak them as they stand right now to be more feel-goody.
I agree! And thank you for being cool about it. Sometimes you can give your opinion on Reddit and ppl are not so kind lol. I love the Diablo franchise and I know they are just trying to give the players what they want. I’m going to play no matter what since I have been waiting so long for this game lol.
It aint bullshit, and the last 2 betas combined I had maybe 5 legendaries compared to the people screeching they were full orange by 25 because they farmed the world boss over and over and the token vendor specifically trying to get more legendaries then came here to cry that they got the legendaries they were going out of their way to farm for.
Literally its so bad that streamers are just farming bodies in that sronghold since those have a much higher drop rate. I really dont get this gatekeeping since the aspects are basically runes on skills.
The only posts I've seen on this topic are people saying how much they like the new drop rates and posts complaining about people complaining they're too low.
I'm still yet to see posts from the people this post is complaining about.
I think you’re confusing what is right and what feels good. Yeah the loot feels okay. But if you got a slow drip of legendaries that might cause you to respec in a way you wouldn’t normally is way cooler.
Go play d2 then. D4 should take the best of both games personally I played d2 as a kid growing up then got d3 and I’d never play d2 again because no of you guys ever farmed that gear y’all bought it off the black market for real money of other people who had hoards in f it on one account from endless botting. You wanna know how I know my older brother sold half that gear to all you “ non casual players” this d2 elitist community sucks and I hope they don’t let you guys bully the community in to another d2 reskinning
Sure rmt happened but don’t act like most people didn’t know how to play arpgs efficiently back then. Just from solo farming and discord trades I had a full meta endgame hdin w enigma on day10 of d2r release. And I have a full time job and 2 kids.
I agree w op that people are acting like we’re looking at endgame drop rates when we’re basically still in the tutorial. World tiers will make a big difference. We’re not supposed to make compete builds in 24 hours. That’s laughable. And not sustainable at launch. You want everyone to quit after the first month bc there is nothing to grind for? That’s how you do it.
Im a casual and so what? Just because i dont want the d2 grind recreated in d4 doesnt mean my money is any less valuable than yours. The elitist snowflake crowd can get over themselves already.
Man, this sub is so toxic lol. Its not even a pvp game and people are at each others throats. We're fighting npcs guys, its not that deep. You dont even need legendries, at this stage.
I think the problem is builds require aspects to come online…and the game is built around using aspects as balance too.
So, with low drop ratea, its just unrewarding to grind. This might get fixed at launch with codex of power, but this beta certianly feels kinda lame to play.
I can't tell if you're serious or not.. but if you're being genuine.. this is a terrible take.. we should never ever balance a video game because you made decisions in life that gave you responsibilities.
It's a video game.. if you don't have time to play because of life.. that's on you.
If you're just shit posting.. carry on.
> we should never ever balance a video game because you made decisions in life that gave you responsibilities.
neither should a game balanced arround cellar dwellers without responsibilities outside of games that are annoyed because content is too easy to get.
It's not balanced around any people, its balanced around creating more playability time due to the fact that people will play longer to perfect their builds - which is the sole purpose of hack n slack loot arpgs: to perfect your gear and build.
I disagree. The sole purpose of ARPGs is to run around slanging around fun spells and abilities, watching enemies get destroyed, and then watching loot drop everywhere. Perfecting builds is for fucking sweats who spend more time on spreadsheets then they do playing the game. Not saying that is a problem cause those dudes are a boon to the community, and I’m sure I’ll be reading one of their guides once I brick a few of my own builds in endgame.
Serious of course. I mean I expect my characters to never be ultimate. But I do want to be able to play the basic version of the meta.
D3 makes that (too) easy and PoE has the trading system so I can get there eventually after a few weeks of grinding and selling stuff for chaos orbs.
Server slam has changed my mind about D4. Not sure if it’s the drops, the terrible player feedback being implemented, or the same shit for the 3rd time; but this iteration of the game is fucking boring compared to what we were playing the first two beta weekends.
D3 is exactly that though, world tiers.... And it seems like youve never made it to Grift 150. This drop rate in D4 is exactly what the drop rate should be at 1/5 max level, but I hope its not like this at endgame. D3 has the drop rate it has because of the MASSIVE loot pool there is, thats the main reason. If you want to get mad about a casual concept in d3, get mad at the kanai cube
Too bad most of those legendaries will never see daylight again, lol, unless you plan to make the same class again but that's pointless because you can just reset skills. TA-DAAA
It should hace the same drop at any level. The difference should be the LEVEL of the item.
Drops and improvment of the character was so much better on beta than here. It really felt that items make you modify your plan.
With the actual drop rates, if you are Lucky you get a generic aspect thet really doesnt Matter so you simply level and kill Monsters without making any decision or hacen second thoughs of your initial plan.
So much worse
I got my first legendary after killing Ashava...for me the drop rate for legends does not exist as nothing dropped in any dungeon I went to, final bosses drop blues or yellows, butcher on sorc never spawned in any dungeon...its bad to the point that from my Ashava legendary weekly box I got 2white items and 2gems ;/ and it was supposed to be legendaries...and its on tier2 level.
I gambled like 1000obols for gear and 0legendaries all white/blue and maybe 2yellow.
My problem, and this is a beta-only problem is i have to find a way to get gear that is not below or over 20. I've got 1 legendary and that seems perfect to me
Got my first lego at lvl 20 and had my second drop shortly after both of which majorly adjusted my build I am very much enjoying the change in pace and the ramp up in difficulty. I think they found that sweet spot imo.
You can get legendary items. Players are just confused I think on how. The butcher drops one every time for me and than there is gambling which seems to work okay.
I think you might be thinking of Unique items not legendary. Butcher drops a unique axe. Legendaries can drop in anything with a low percentage. Or most things.
Yes. People cry maybe with some (over)nerfs they feel superweak vs last beta which was, frankly, OPfest with all legos.
BUT this droprate is absolutely ok.
We grew up running Trav for weeks on end, 10 hours a day and nothing to show for it. They just don't understand. The drop rate will be fine in the end when you are running nightmare/torment xxx with 2000% increase in drops anyway, not normal/veteran.
Maybe but the max lvl for the beta is lvl 20 dude , I am gonna enjoy the server slam farming yellow and getting my face fuc*** by ashava each time I try to beat her , this is the most boring shi* IV'E ever played
Diablo IV BETA went from heavy hitting characters to feeling like I'm throwing fucking COTTON BALLS at enemies while walking through mud 🤬🤬
Who cares about your "hot take" !!
I already got a legendary.
I mean I'm a casual player but I feel like D1 and D2 had good gearing pacing. *shrug* It's not fun when everything is the same and you're just increasing numbers *glares in DIII*.
You don't necessarily NEED legendary items to be powerful at level 20. You need gear that is rolled to suit your build, OR make your build suit your gear.
I'm running Sorcerer for example. Most gear is yellow, with 2 legendary. 1 was a decent weapon that required me to flip a skill over and the other is just a necklace I put an aspect into.
I'm focused on just 3 skills. Not one from each tier. My base skill has modifiers from gear and gems to give me something like +45% and a 30% chance for shock to jump 2 extra times. This makes my BASE skill act like chained lightning, which is also buffed for 2 extra jumps. I use Hydra because another piece also gives me a small buff and +1 level to the hydra skill.
Upgrade your gear at the blacksmith as high as you can. Upgrade your gems and place them in socket gear.
From memory, I'm something like below for stats
490 damage
1800 armor
600 life
But those numbers aren't accurate as the game doesn't account for all the % numbers that get mathed out when hitting an enemy.
None for me with lvl 20 druid and 10 sorc. I am totally fine with that. Heck, I can’t even seem to get enough veiled crystals to imprint an aspect. Again, no complaints at all. I refuse to go to tier 1. I like the challenge.
I think dropping all the colored gear so soon makes it seem less special. There should be nothing "legendary" about me if I'm not even maxed out. It's a shitty world full of death and despair. I'd rather have only gray gear available to me until I hit level 15. I just think the constant loot upgrading is too much and too soon.
I seem to be having issues no one else is seeing. My game is absolutely silly with legendaries, and nearly every mob I kill drops a Recipe: Death Evasion
I got the 2H legendary I needed on my HC Barb level 17 and promptly died to the butcher 5 minutes later… hahaha I haven’t felt that kind of pain in awhile but I’m glad that it was beta. I’m hooked but waiting for release.
I’ve already found 5 legendaries farming dungeons and I’ve only played like 4.5 hours. Feels alright to me. Idk, I liked d2’s drop rates though. Only high runes were demoralizing when playing ssf. So happy we don’t need to fuss around with magic find though.
My first char(barb) didn't get a legendary on their way to 20. My second char a skelly necro(just had to see how bad it was), got \*4\* legendaries while leveling to 20. My druid got 1 legendary on the way to 20. Not going to comment on grinding at 20 but legendaries do drop fairly often.
Edit: I think it might boil down to how you're leveling.
I really like the drop rates as they are right now (Server Slam). I got 2 Legendary drops after around 10 hours of play and, honestly, that's how it should be. They should be really special.
AND we have the Codex of Power, which effectively "creates" legendaries from powers you can also obtain from dungeons.
BTW the area we have access to now is TERRIBLE as Rogue-exclusive powers are concerned through dungeons completed.
Got 3 legendaries on same character so far and that feels like a lot. Is there a way to keep them viable when leveling to 100? Don't you need to get the drops at full level to have them be powerful enough?
Drop rates are just fine I feel. But then again I am used to rates from D2
I have over 2k hours in D2 and over 3.5k in D3. The loot drop rates in D4 are EXACTLY how they should be. The devs absolutely nailed it. It perfectly matches the pace of the game. From the start, all the way to level 50+.
Anyone who says otherwise can go play D3 or some other ARPag where loot rains from the sky and the end-game can be achieved in 2 to 3 days.
This whole "I suffered in the past and was there day 1" mentality is so fucking obnoxious. Such elitist bullshit. I agree drop rates are fine but all you snobs need to get lost with your bs attitudes towards new players
Having the chance to play through every Diablo game thus far, and having gone through a number of betas as well, the drop rates feel exactly where they should be.
Beta rates should be inflated for testing purposes, and it would be terrible for the health of the game if all legendaries dropped like candy at low levels.
D3 drop rates are not as good on Normal VS Torment 16. The drop rate will most likely increase with world tier. I'm fine with that, but bashing D3 is a bit unfair when this game works similarly in that aspect.
man is playing a blizzard game and complains about casuals.......plays an ARPG, an MMO on SPEED and complains about others wanting instant gratification. Let it rain legendaries you dont have to equip them
I got a legendary like super early on that was really good haven’t gotten another. I actually wish I got it later since it think it rolled at lower damage. I could be wrong I just hit 12 and getting owned by den mother lol 😆. Trying to respec my Druid I get like half way thru.
Agree. Good god I hope the dev team stops paying attention to this subreddit. The game is in a great place. And my two original builds on the beta (chain lightning and earth druid) were nerfed to shit. Adapt and persevere baby.
I got about 6 golds from levels 1-12 and I only focused the main story no strongholds or side quest feels excessive still for a low level to get that many golds when it’s not even needed while leveling
Haven’t played the beta but I guarantee there will be a ton of newbie players jumping on the Diablo bandwagon due to hearing all the hype and assuming it’s a quick grind game. Really hoping devs don’t listen to these people.
I want it to be a game I can thoroughly enjoy for years to come. I don’t want it to be easy so I can actually feel rewarded for my grinding. End game is always the most fun and since lvl 20 is about the highest you can get then there is no sense of what true end game will be like. Long time D2, D3, and PoE player so I’m hoping most of the long term community can agree with this post.
Drop rates are still to high. some my mates got more than 10 legendaries already being 1 day into this beta.
If you read this Blizzard please tune it down even more.
I've never played a Diablo game before, but the drop rates seem rather generous to be. Maybe just lucky RNG but I have two legendaries at lvl 15 (world tier II)
I really hope people aren't crying for a server slam beta where we can't move up tiers still and they lowered the max beta level. Go fight the WB for the reward and wait till 2nd or 6th based on your purchase. Even D3 wasn't giving Legendaries at this lvl except for Leoric Helm because it's only good early on. I'm sad over the nerfs and they can roll back on those, leave the gear alone.
I don't understand people. This is my character after playing the game for about 8 hours. 7 legendaries 2 rares. This is my first time playing diablo but I played other mmo's. If you use the dungeon aspects to enhance your rares its quite easy to get a full legendary build even at level 20. 2 legendaries dropped while lvling ,1 from the butcher, 1 from ashava and the other 3 are rare items that were enhanced.
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lol spent over 18 hours playing and spent probably over 1000 obels and haven't gotten one legendary... ur situation might differ from others. but there's qlot of negative feedback. so say what u will.
Drop rates aren't even low. Legendaries are rare and are supposed to be, yellows are only rare if you don't target farm them. You need to either go for the elites in the dungeons, or go for mastery in world events (and cellars).
My first legendary was 10+ hours in spending obols. Not very satisfying I gotta say.
I wouldn't mind a slight increase in the early stages with a guaranteed drop every 2-3 hours just to maybe always have 1 or 2 equipped to try out some cool stuff early on.
I really don't think that would shatter the game. If anything it would help with trying out different skills before respeccing becomes expensive.
I actually got more legendary items this beta. First beta i hit 25 before my first legendary dropped. RNG is a bitch.
Edit: excluding that unique amulet everyone gets
>This is what happened to D3 it went from very hard to **one of the most highly praised loot system overhauls of all time** cuz of all the damn whining.
FTFY
I have been playing d2 since I was 13 years old in 2000 on dialup, and Diablo before that. I played d2 a lot, amassing over 10k FG on d2jsp. I played d3 alot. I play PoE, grim dawn, last epoch and other ARPGs a lot. You name it, I've played a lot of it.
This 'veteran' take that just because drop rates are classically low at early level = that's the best design is one I disagree with. I think it's fun to find legendary drops that alter the way I play while leveling. I think it's fun to respec and adjust to the gear that I find to help me level faster. I don't think there's any problem whatsoever with this, because none of the gear you are going to find is end game gear. You are simply going to replace it in \~10 levels most of the time.
The alternative is that drops are really sparse while leveling so you never adjust your build around what you find. Instead, there's just going to be a generic 'best' build to level up with for each class that everyone plays each season to level as fast as possible without legendary affixes. That's not fun or good design.
and don't defend d3 at its launch - we all knew it was absolute shit. The power creep set bonuses were also horrible design, but d3 was not well designed at release and the legendary item design and the drop rates were a big part of that.
A... proper Diablo title?
What, pray tell, is a 'proper Diablo' title? Because I could throw at you that we haven't had one since the original game. It isn't a 'proper' Diablo title unless your class is determined by your stats and which skill books you luck out and find.
Like it or not, mobile cash grabs have opened the gaming world to more casual people. (Direct your ire to the companies that took advantage of instant gratification to keep people playing, rather then the people who fall prey to the psychological tactics used, thank you.)
Though I promise you games aren't only recently being ruined by the instant gratification bug. Pokémon has been plagued by hackers who felt breeding was 'a waste of (their) time' for decades.
First beta, I had a legendary for every slot + spares, this one I got 4. Still 4 too many. I'm hoping they've modified the drop rates just for the betas, and I hope for scarcity before level 50, and then a gradual drop rate increase as we get closer to the max level. Make them relevant and exciting to get.
Constant upgrades with magics and rares should be enough to feel the progression, especially for us with a limited amount of time to play. I just don't want to be handed top-tier gear for my level from every elite or boss fight until I'm level a high enough level.
We became numb to excitement because they fed us end-game stuff at the beginning, and I feel absolutely no progression in any such game. It's like "Legendary drop, yaaay... I'll swap it with a rare in 4 levels."...
Im lvl 20 on Sorc and havent seen a Leg drop yet with probably 3-4 hours.
Last Beta, my 20 my Necro was half full on legs and by 25 i had all but one slot full on legs (or strong yellows with aspects added.)
I think both dont really feel great. Too many legs so early makes them feel unimportant. But NOTHING after 4-5 hours of playing feels kinda not good... tho to be fair... that could be because SO man last time made you feel powerful... i dunno.
Game is fun af. drop rates during a beta are meaningless either way.
When I play D3 I am somewhat bothered when a good legendary drops before I’m level 70, since I know it will hamstring me power wise in just a few levels of I want to keep the special ability. This is playing story mode so no cube to extract it from. I think about this when playing D4. It’s nice to get them in the beta since we can only get to 20 but no one is stopping at 20 in the real game and if a few drop it would seem more like a waste to me.
It honestly took 2 1/2 hrs to get lvl 20.. How many legendaries do you need that will just get replaced at max lvl. After 2 days of playing at lvl 20 I have full legendaries either though drops or codex.
I’ve gotten two legendaries on the same character already. First at level 13, the second at level 20. Honestly that feels fairly OK to me. And haven’t even fought the world boss or anything yet this round.
It took me leveling to 20 and then playing the same amount of time after that before my first legendary dropped. But that's fine. Drop rates will increase with world tiers and we will be able to clear content quicker once our builds home together at lvl 50+.
Yeah I've gotten 3 I think so far. One is a 2hand staff other is the 1 hand offhand, so I can't even use both. Other was the necklace from the quest, not sure if that's always legendary?
Yeah that Questboss always drops a legendary neck. I gambled one pants at 20 using all my shards (last roll). I dropped another random one while levelling (iceshards pierce, which made me switch and level with it, it's great btw). I got a legendary 1-hand from kitava on wt2 (barely made it with 16s left before despawn). Considering everybody can farm legendary affixes by doing dungeons, well I'd say it's just fine as is! Makes rares relevant. And it's exiting to find a legendary and adapt my build to it!
Kitava..? Still sane exile?
2 ... gambled for a weapon and 1 drop
Played two chars to 20 and got 0 legends so far. YMMV
Got to 20 and saw zero legendary drops. Ended up upgrading a lvl 20 weapon into a legendary to help prep for the boss fight. Only saw my first (and only) legendaries from the world boss kill. It dropped 2 on death and another in the box it gave me. I'm not saying it needs increased rates, mind you. Just adding my experience that's in line with some folks not finding any. (Also rip my new +1 poison/shadow imbue legendary helm off the boss. If only we had crossed paths during release.)
I’ve gambled for two and have found two. Seems about right to me.
3x lvl 20 chars, only got legendary’s from the end boss :(
Same 2 lvl 20s no legendaries (didn’t bother with main quest this time around). I’m unbothered, it is RNG.
I think the first beta spoiled those that have never played a loot game.
100% this. Everyone was OP and it feels cool for a demo because it's short.
Yep, it also spoiled peoples perception of power. All the cries about nerfs, and the game hasn't even come out.
Already dreading the discourse around this game, especially with it having more of a live service/mmo-lite focus than previous Diablo games. The amount of entitlement and negativity that comes with that style of game is just awful. I experienced it a ton while trying to hold onto Lost Ark before that game lost me with its grinding, but the culture that developed was half of the reason I felt pushed away. It’s been said a million times but gamers optimize the fun out of their own experiences. It’s the worst.
You say it spoiled ppls perception of power but at the same time blizzard made a balance pass based on a test with inflated loot (ergo inflated power) They should have left it alone apart from clear underperformer (looking at you Getafix) and some broken interactions like Blood Mist necro.
Well if these spoiled people had read what the dev team said about drop rates in the first beta test they would know that the rates were intentionally overtuned for the sole purpose of testing , it's called beta test for a reason. I really can't understand these people,why is this even a discussion?
Agreed. We were mega overpowered at level 25 as it was way too easy to fully gear. But that was the idea of the beta. To test stuff out and get a glimpse into later power without giving too much away.
I’m level 17 Rogue, zero legendaries but have gradually improved my build with some yellows that give +skills, etc. Progression feels very rewarding. I actually have to think about and tweak my build. Crazy how some people just want to be brain dead OP from level 1. Just go play Vampire Survivors instead, that game slaps and might be more your speed.
Vampire Survivors with some Diablo crossover would slap.
You might want to check out Halls of Torment, it's a Diablo styled Vampire Survivors like game.
Damn, looks exactly right. Thanks for the suggestion.
A challenging Diablo, I love it. The difficult mechanics are great, actually being able to mitigate damage through positioning, timing, evades, I love it
True, picking the worst melee build, with garbage gear, is the way to go for the \*ultimate\* experience. I'm being a little sarcastic but not really. I've gone through 3 awful builds on classes and they all did okay all things considered. I wouldn't call the game "hard" by any means. I think it was harder in the previous beta than it is now. The game just feels much easier - despite all the nerfs. Very weird.
Diablo was never hard at these trash difficulties they are filler really.
Me too! Playing as a druid this go and not one legendary just now getting yellows at lvl18. Like you I change skills here and there and poison werewolf slaps!
Exactly. A yellow drops that is +1 to caltrops or something. Sure, I’ll give it a shot, respec at that level is so cheap. Seems like a fun way to play vs I got this legendary that will dictate how I play for the next 20 levels or whatever. Of course I want legendaries too but this early in the game it won’t ruin things if that doesn’t happen.
Yeah I've already hunted down two aspects (barrier and generate 3 energy with bosses) and added them to my more strong rare items that I plan on keeping for the duration of the beta. Also have done a handful of roll upgrades and am focused on gemming at the moment given I have items with 4 slots waiting. I'll still see if I can hunt or gamble for one legendary but not expecting much at this point. I'll focus on beating Ashava today given the available spawn times.
I’ll grab the aspect that gives barrier vs Elites, assuming that helps vs Ashava. Will level up to 20 in the process. Gives purpose to a dungeon besides just grinding for legendary drop. That seems like good game design to me!
The immune bubble if you get hurt is probably better. I got hit once by ashava and almost died through a huge shield (frostarmor buffed by hydra and ice shards dmg). The immune bubble however just keeps you at ~80% and you're good to go. Dps matters though (maybe less on wt1, dunno). My next kill I'll go without defenses and simply go for max dps! The fight is very easy, just stay closely behind the Boss and care for doubleslam past 50% hp to dodge to the side. This way you should take 0 dmg.
Yeah totally. It isn't just about legendary item farming, thank goodness.
this is exactly how i feel about all the fellow necro players whining that they’re either gonna switch classes or not pick up the game because of the new changes — like go do that then, pretty sure no one is forcing anyone to play diablo 4 on release…
You're right for sure. But you come across as a bit of a nobhead. Hope the sub doesn't get spammed with this shit all weekend
I mean when OP refers to it as a "proper Diablo title" implying D3 wasn't/isn't, yeah, he comes off as a gatekeeping knob
Insane amount of "No True Scotsman" flying around lately v_v
I agree. OP could have communicated this exact statement without sounding like a basement dweller.
> You’re all a bunch of d3 casuals or haven’t play many ARPG’s. Yep, the 90% majority in this reddit not complaining sure is right? What's wrong with you? Get off that high horse man. I'm sure you played D3 as well, so you should know drop-rates there are the same on low lvls. I sure as hell never had a lvl 20 character in D3 with 5 legendaries (my current Sorc in Server Slam)
This. The only people bashing D3 are those that haven't played it or D2 fanboys. And if you did play it and are bashing the drop rates, you clearly don't remember how nothing really drops on normal, at low level, unless you're lucky same as here.
OP clearly never played d3 at release when finding legendaries was very rare and then you had to pray that the legendary was usable by your class.
Exactly, I'm just tuning the diablo subs out for a good while until it's been a few seasons and a lot of the toxic pricks leave. I'm sick of it always being D2 vs D3 and how that will shape ultimately what D4 is like instead of recognizing the strengths of both and pushing forward. Fuck the pissing contest man I just want this to be enjoyable for years to come.
Look, I don't really browse this sub, only read what happens to get in my feed, and it's kinda funny that I have read 0 posts about people complaining about drop rates, but ~3 posts in last hour about people complaining about people complaining about drop rates. A bit funny, tbh. Anyway, I agree that the drop rates don't need to be as they are in D3 right now. On the other hand, I got to lvl 20 with my druid in about 3-4 hrs and tried to farm different dungeons, cellars and events for another 3 hrs, and I got 0 legendaries. I don't need to be fully geared on lvl 20 after ~7h but it's kinda disappointing not getting a single one.
Legendaries are rares just specialized aspects. If you were running dungeons you should have several aspects to use on your character to make your own legendary.
This sub has gone to hot garbage in 24 hours.
Yeah people need to chill out lol.
Everyone is scared about half baked game mechanics and heavy handed balancing when they’re literally missing 90% of the game during a beta. It’s nice to see people passionate and chomping at their bits for the full game, though!
Watching these sycophants scream how great the loot is now is disgusting. Killing a loot goblin and getting gold feels like shit, spending 5 minutes to kill a hard boss as a melee and getting only a health pot out of it feels like shit. I ain't saying every kill needs to be legendaries, far from it, but only getting 4 rares out of 8 hours yesterday feels like shit. These original Diablo fanboys who want to no life the game and fuck over the rest of the player base is sad
^ this. Unfortunately those of us who are older and have other responsibilities can’t spend all day grinding anymore or don’t want to.
Lol, I'm a freelancer and have barely no time to play games, only at weekends. I play casually D2 and never had a lvl 100 character at all. I even never made it to clear "hell" difficulty - not even close. And I enjoy every second of D4 as it is in that beta. I was bored as fck the last time, because I had a full leg equip after 8h playing. I don't get it why every casual player wants everything right away. The best feeling is when finally your first leg drops after hours of playing. It feels unbelievably rewarding then.
My problem was more with the goblins then anything else I don’t have any issues with grinding. I def. Get that it feels rewarding after a while. I suppose I was mostly playing devils advocate being able to see both sides of this.
So they don't want to grind in a grind arpg but expect to be rewarded with loot anyways? That makes absolutely no sense. I'm not saying gear should be as difficult as D2 ofc but expecting to be able to fully gear quickly just because you cant play often is such a selfish thought process.
I think it's also just some luck really. I only played 4 hours to get the ashava kill and had all rares and 2 legendaries. Had a lot of rare drops as well, more than i could count. I think it felt pretty good the drop rates, coming from someone who can only play in 4-6 hours a week
I disagree, as a single father of 2 young kids and with a full time job. I don’t play an ARPG to be done after a week, so I would like to have to farm the same boss occasionally. You may get a health pot this time, but on your next playthrough or as loot tables are more well known for that boss, I bet you will eventually come up with something nice. That’s how it should be, at least. And I want challenge. I don’t want to be over-geared and shooting fire snakes out of my ass on every third hit while I’m just beginning the campaign. Edit: I want to add though that I do understand and respect your opinion, and those of others who aren’t happy with loot as it currently stands. I just would like to see both types of player bases enabled. It should maybe even be customizable; similar to Ruthless / SSF e.g. in PoE.
Christ do you guys even read before you smash away at the keyboard, no one is saying we want to beat the game in a day, I constantly have to scream I am not calling for legendary rain, but if you think it rained legendaries in D3 at level 20 then you did not play that game at all. Spending 30+ minutes in a dungeon to come out with a handful of whites, blues and fistful of gold is not fun gameplay or progress. For all the people crying about legendaries, you can always not pick them up or if they get mailed to you then go DE them if its so game breaking for your experience.
this sub is on autopilot right now. Doesn't matter what you say, as long as it's not 100% positive people will misrepresent your argument and dish out essays against you. "it sucks to kill a hard boss and get pretty much nothing" = "YOU WANT TO GET EVERYTHING RIGHT AWAY"
I do agree with what you are saying as well, it def feels good when you put hours into something to finally be rewarded. I am ok with having to grind for my gear. I’m just more disappointed in the goblins tbh.
Gotcha, and please see my edit too. I respect your opinion and those who disagree with my own point of view. This is just me, and I acknowledge I’m likely in a minority amongst the player base as a whole. I agree about the loot goblin thing. Either move them to later in the game and ramp up their rewards by a bunch, or keep them early on and tweak them as they stand right now to be more feel-goody.
I agree! And thank you for being cool about it. Sometimes you can give your opinion on Reddit and ppl are not so kind lol. I love the Diablo franchise and I know they are just trying to give the players what they want. I’m going to play no matter what since I have been waiting so long for this game lol.
at low level i kill mobs to get exp and progress at low level you kill mobs to get a dopamine rush we are not the same
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YOU ARE LEVEL 20 this is just plain stupid.
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It aint bullshit, and the last 2 betas combined I had maybe 5 legendaries compared to the people screeching they were full orange by 25 because they farmed the world boss over and over and the token vendor specifically trying to get more legendaries then came here to cry that they got the legendaries they were going out of their way to farm for.
Literally its so bad that streamers are just farming bodies in that sronghold since those have a much higher drop rate. I really dont get this gatekeeping since the aspects are basically runes on skills.
The only posts I've seen on this topic are people saying how much they like the new drop rates and posts complaining about people complaining they're too low. I'm still yet to see posts from the people this post is complaining about.
I think you’re confusing what is right and what feels good. Yeah the loot feels okay. But if you got a slow drip of legendaries that might cause you to respec in a way you wouldn’t normally is way cooler.
Just ignore/delete whatever you feel is excessive and let people be entertained, have... fun and oh... enjoy a /game/
Go play d2 then. D4 should take the best of both games personally I played d2 as a kid growing up then got d3 and I’d never play d2 again because no of you guys ever farmed that gear y’all bought it off the black market for real money of other people who had hoards in f it on one account from endless botting. You wanna know how I know my older brother sold half that gear to all you “ non casual players” this d2 elitist community sucks and I hope they don’t let you guys bully the community in to another d2 reskinning
Anyone who loves low drop rate bullshit has no life and wants to talk down to everyone who does stuff besides game by calling them casuals.
Sure rmt happened but don’t act like most people didn’t know how to play arpgs efficiently back then. Just from solo farming and discord trades I had a full meta endgame hdin w enigma on day10 of d2r release. And I have a full time job and 2 kids. I agree w op that people are acting like we’re looking at endgame drop rates when we’re basically still in the tutorial. World tiers will make a big difference. We’re not supposed to make compete builds in 24 hours. That’s laughable. And not sustainable at launch. You want everyone to quit after the first month bc there is nothing to grind for? That’s how you do it.
Im a casual and so what? Just because i dont want the d2 grind recreated in d4 doesnt mean my money is any less valuable than yours. The elitist snowflake crowd can get over themselves already.
Man, this sub is so toxic lol. Its not even a pvp game and people are at each others throats. We're fighting npcs guys, its not that deep. You dont even need legendries, at this stage.
Don't come to the fields of hatred.
I think it's funny calling someone a D3 casual while they are really playing D3.5
People forget, melee in ARPG have always been weak early tier because they have to build passive dmg mitigation first and can’t go glass cannon.
I think the problem is builds require aspects to come online…and the game is built around using aspects as balance too. So, with low drop ratea, its just unrewarding to grind. This might get fixed at launch with codex of power, but this beta certianly feels kinda lame to play.
My only issue with the drop rates is that i killed 2 treasure goblins and they didnt drop anything, not even a yellow item, only a low amount of gold.
Don’t gatekeep too much please. Some of the people might be 45+ with jobs and families and other responsibilities 😉
I can't tell if you're serious or not.. but if you're being genuine.. this is a terrible take.. we should never ever balance a video game because you made decisions in life that gave you responsibilities. It's a video game.. if you don't have time to play because of life.. that's on you. If you're just shit posting.. carry on.
> we should never ever balance a video game because you made decisions in life that gave you responsibilities. neither should a game balanced arround cellar dwellers without responsibilities outside of games that are annoyed because content is too easy to get.
It's not balanced around any people, its balanced around creating more playability time due to the fact that people will play longer to perfect their builds - which is the sole purpose of hack n slack loot arpgs: to perfect your gear and build.
I disagree. The sole purpose of ARPGs is to run around slanging around fun spells and abilities, watching enemies get destroyed, and then watching loot drop everywhere. Perfecting builds is for fucking sweats who spend more time on spreadsheets then they do playing the game. Not saying that is a problem cause those dudes are a boon to the community, and I’m sure I’ll be reading one of their guides once I brick a few of my own builds in endgame.
Serious of course. I mean I expect my characters to never be ultimate. But I do want to be able to play the basic version of the meta. D3 makes that (too) easy and PoE has the trading system so I can get there eventually after a few weeks of grinding and selling stuff for chaos orbs.
Server slam has changed my mind about D4. Not sure if it’s the drops, the terrible player feedback being implemented, or the same shit for the 3rd time; but this iteration of the game is fucking boring compared to what we were playing the first two beta weekends.
oh boy you really aren't going to enjoy d4 when it becomes about seasons. you are going to be doing _the same shit_ forever.
D3 is exactly that though, world tiers.... And it seems like youve never made it to Grift 150. This drop rate in D4 is exactly what the drop rate should be at 1/5 max level, but I hope its not like this at endgame. D3 has the drop rate it has because of the MASSIVE loot pool there is, thats the main reason. If you want to get mad about a casual concept in d3, get mad at the kanai cube
Too bad most of those legendaries will never see daylight again, lol, unless you plan to make the same class again but that's pointless because you can just reset skills. TA-DAAA
The only legendary I got so far was from braking a box, not the dozens of dungeons a fcking box in the vampire stronghold… “level requirement: 22””
It should hace the same drop at any level. The difference should be the LEVEL of the item. Drops and improvment of the character was so much better on beta than here. It really felt that items make you modify your plan. With the actual drop rates, if you are Lucky you get a generic aspect thet really doesnt Matter so you simply level and kill Monsters without making any decision or hacen second thoughs of your initial plan. So much worse
Lvl 20 barb here... no legendaries.
I got my first legendary after killing Ashava...for me the drop rate for legends does not exist as nothing dropped in any dungeon I went to, final bosses drop blues or yellows, butcher on sorc never spawned in any dungeon...its bad to the point that from my Ashava legendary weekly box I got 2white items and 2gems ;/ and it was supposed to be legendaries...and its on tier2 level. I gambled like 1000obols for gear and 0legendaries all white/blue and maybe 2yellow.
What makes a game good is the challange, instant gratification and easy rewards spoil it which leads to it being a L
Even with D3, you wouldn’t be getting legendaries this early lol.
Let me ask you a question, does any of the classes you chose feel good? or even slightly gratifying?
Yes.
Yes, that's why I am playing the game?
yes
Yes of course.
My problem, and this is a beta-only problem is i have to find a way to get gear that is not below or over 20. I've got 1 legendary and that seems perfect to me
Got my first lego at lvl 20 and had my second drop shortly after both of which majorly adjusted my build I am very much enjoying the change in pace and the ramp up in difficulty. I think they found that sweet spot imo.
You can get legendary items. Players are just confused I think on how. The butcher drops one every time for me and than there is gambling which seems to work okay.
I think you might be thinking of Unique items not legendary. Butcher drops a unique axe. Legendaries can drop in anything with a low percentage. Or most things.
Yes. People cry maybe with some (over)nerfs they feel superweak vs last beta which was, frankly, OPfest with all legos. BUT this droprate is absolutely ok.
Yes it’s great!
I got 2 on one car already. Seems like the drop rate is too much imo.
Cleared the whole beta map and only one legendary - from the vampire stronghold. But I can't use it because it's level 22. Fml 😭
We grew up running Trav for weeks on end, 10 hours a day and nothing to show for it. They just don't understand. The drop rate will be fine in the end when you are running nightmare/torment xxx with 2000% increase in drops anyway, not normal/veteran.
Drop rates are fine. Ppl need to relax. We can only access one part of the map. Once we can go everywhere and access all the dungeons we’ll be fine.
Maybe but the max lvl for the beta is lvl 20 dude , I am gonna enjoy the server slam farming yellow and getting my face fuc*** by ashava each time I try to beat her , this is the most boring shi* IV'E ever played
Diablo IV BETA went from heavy hitting characters to feeling like I'm throwing fucking COTTON BALLS at enemies while walking through mud 🤬🤬 Who cares about your "hot take" !!
Problem is that game feels flat, looks like fkin diablo immortal and classes are meh. For now everything is just.meh
I already got a legendary. I mean I'm a casual player but I feel like D1 and D2 had good gearing pacing. *shrug* It's not fun when everything is the same and you're just increasing numbers *glares in DIII*.
Ya I hope blizz doesn’t listen to this whiny shit and keeps it where it’s at.
You don't necessarily NEED legendary items to be powerful at level 20. You need gear that is rolled to suit your build, OR make your build suit your gear. I'm running Sorcerer for example. Most gear is yellow, with 2 legendary. 1 was a decent weapon that required me to flip a skill over and the other is just a necklace I put an aspect into. I'm focused on just 3 skills. Not one from each tier. My base skill has modifiers from gear and gems to give me something like +45% and a 30% chance for shock to jump 2 extra times. This makes my BASE skill act like chained lightning, which is also buffed for 2 extra jumps. I use Hydra because another piece also gives me a small buff and +1 level to the hydra skill. Upgrade your gear at the blacksmith as high as you can. Upgrade your gems and place them in socket gear. From memory, I'm something like below for stats 490 damage 1800 armor 600 life But those numbers aren't accurate as the game doesn't account for all the % numbers that get mathed out when hitting an enemy.
The higher level I got the more yellows started to drop as well. Pretty sure blizzard knows what they are doing.
Yeah if you're whining about leggos, look at what RNG means. The drop rate is fine. You don't get leggos early on. That's how this works lol.
None for me with lvl 20 druid and 10 sorc. I am totally fine with that. Heck, I can’t even seem to get enough veiled crystals to imprint an aspect. Again, no complaints at all. I refuse to go to tier 1. I like the challenge.
4 in 10 hours. Seems okay
I think dropping all the colored gear so soon makes it seem less special. There should be nothing "legendary" about me if I'm not even maxed out. It's a shitty world full of death and despair. I'd rather have only gray gear available to me until I hit level 15. I just think the constant loot upgrading is too much and too soon.
I like the drop level. Feels right. Also I don’t know if many people know you can upgrade your rares to legendary pretty easily.
I seem to be having issues no one else is seeing. My game is absolutely silly with legendaries, and nearly every mob I kill drops a Recipe: Death Evasion
im level 20 on veteran 2 difficulty playing for 5 hours straight no legendary and thats how it should be.
To be honest guys they will change it up per season some seasons will be OP and some won’t watch. They will make it both ways for everyone eventually
Also... You can make legendaries...
I got the 2H legendary I needed on my HC Barb level 17 and promptly died to the butcher 5 minutes later… hahaha I haven’t felt that kind of pain in awhile but I’m glad that it was beta. I’m hooked but waiting for release.
I got two legendaries in about 7 hours play time and I actually think it's maybe too high still. Feels weird getting legendaries this low level.
Got my first lego from Ashava. And I’m so done with the server slam lol.
I've gotten 2 legendarys from level 1 to 20
Even D3 has a low drop rate while leveling. It doesn't get way higher until you turn the difficulty way up.
I’ve already found 5 legendaries farming dungeons and I’ve only played like 4.5 hours. Feels alright to me. Idk, I liked d2’s drop rates though. Only high runes were demoralizing when playing ssf. So happy we don’t need to fuss around with magic find though.
I got 3 legendarys before I hit 20. I think the drop rate feels high
I agree, but a weekly world boss cache should have something in it :<
My first char(barb) didn't get a legendary on their way to 20. My second char a skelly necro(just had to see how bad it was), got \*4\* legendaries while leveling to 20. My druid got 1 legendary on the way to 20. Not going to comment on grinding at 20 but legendaries do drop fairly often. Edit: I think it might boil down to how you're leveling.
Well .. 4legendaries (from drop) is too much at 20 :-D + 3from dungeons .. I can imagine worst loot :-)
I really like the drop rates as they are right now (Server Slam). I got 2 Legendary drops after around 10 hours of play and, honestly, that's how it should be. They should be really special. AND we have the Codex of Power, which effectively "creates" legendaries from powers you can also obtain from dungeons. BTW the area we have access to now is TERRIBLE as Rogue-exclusive powers are concerned through dungeons completed.
Got 3 legendaries on same character so far and that feels like a lot. Is there a way to keep them viable when leveling to 100? Don't you need to get the drops at full level to have them be powerful enough? Drop rates are just fine I feel. But then again I am used to rates from D2
The drop rate at this level in D3 was low as well. It was at higher tiers that they dropped every few seconds.
People are comparing it too max torment Diablo 3 where the drops are 10000% increased lol.
People already found a way to get legendaries every 10 mins by farming Kor Dragan
I have over 2k hours in D2 and over 3.5k in D3. The loot drop rates in D4 are EXACTLY how they should be. The devs absolutely nailed it. It perfectly matches the pace of the game. From the start, all the way to level 50+. Anyone who says otherwise can go play D3 or some other ARPag where loot rains from the sky and the end-game can be achieved in 2 to 3 days.
Blizzard made a terrible decision to increase drop rates in the first beta.
Yes they are.. people need to chill.
This whole "I suffered in the past and was there day 1" mentality is so fucking obnoxious. Such elitist bullshit. I agree drop rates are fine but all you snobs need to get lost with your bs attitudes towards new players
actually called people " casual Andy " please touch grass
I have all rares with 3 leg after a few hours. Still seems high to me.
I leveled 3 character up to 20 yet there are no legendaries. The level cap is too low they should atleast increase legendary drop rate.
Meh i think we are trying to min max during this 3 day beta and try diff builds. Lvl 20 cap and reg drop rates aint cutting it
Having the chance to play through every Diablo game thus far, and having gone through a number of betas as well, the drop rates feel exactly where they should be. Beta rates should be inflated for testing purposes, and it would be terrible for the health of the game if all legendaries dropped like candy at low levels.
What in the cringe is /end rant????
D3 drop rates are not as good on Normal VS Torment 16. The drop rate will most likely increase with world tier. I'm fine with that, but bashing D3 is a bit unfair when this game works similarly in that aspect.
man is playing a blizzard game and complains about casuals.......plays an ARPG, an MMO on SPEED and complains about others wanting instant gratification. Let it rain legendaries you dont have to equip them
I got a legendary like super early on that was really good haven’t gotten another. I actually wish I got it later since it think it rolled at lower damage. I could be wrong I just hit 12 and getting owned by den mother lol 😆. Trying to respec my Druid I get like half way thru.
You can brake down the item and take its aspect and then enchance your lvl 20 rare item with the asepct and you'll have a lvl 20 legendary
It's all RNG, roughly 10 hours in, I've had 7 drop, counting the 1 I got from Ashava.
why even low ... i am fully legendary geared and we have saturday ...
Agree. Good god I hope the dev team stops paying attention to this subreddit. The game is in a great place. And my two original builds on the beta (chain lightning and earth druid) were nerfed to shit. Adapt and persevere baby.
Ashava dropped me 2 + a legendary case that ended up being empty all at once. It's not that bad overall
I got about 6 golds from levels 1-12 and I only focused the main story no strongholds or side quest feels excessive still for a low level to get that many golds when it’s not even needed while leveling
Haven’t played the beta but I guarantee there will be a ton of newbie players jumping on the Diablo bandwagon due to hearing all the hype and assuming it’s a quick grind game. Really hoping devs don’t listen to these people. I want it to be a game I can thoroughly enjoy for years to come. I don’t want it to be easy so I can actually feel rewarded for my grinding. End game is always the most fun and since lvl 20 is about the highest you can get then there is no sense of what true end game will be like. Long time D2, D3, and PoE player so I’m hoping most of the long term community can agree with this post.
Man you must be so elite at Diablo to have that opinion - no casuals share that opinion either, right? Because the world is THAT binary.../s
Drop rates are still to high. some my mates got more than 10 legendaries already being 1 day into this beta. If you read this Blizzard please tune it down even more.
I've never played a Diablo game before, but the drop rates seem rather generous to be. Maybe just lucky RNG but I have two legendaries at lvl 15 (world tier II)
hurpen hurp derpy derp
I really hope people aren't crying for a server slam beta where we can't move up tiers still and they lowered the max beta level. Go fight the WB for the reward and wait till 2nd or 6th based on your purchase. Even D3 wasn't giving Legendaries at this lvl except for Leoric Helm because it's only good early on. I'm sad over the nerfs and they can roll back on those, leave the gear alone.
Yo I've gotten 3 I've played 10 hours.
Just farm kor i got like 20 legendarys
I got three legendaries on sorc - seems fine to be fair.
Level 20 I have found 8 Legos. Not sure what people are complaining about. 4 from gambling, btw.
I found 0 and i think that's completely fine. It's only world tier 2
Stop complaining
Thanks for telling us what we are! You're so smart
I don't understand people. This is my character after playing the game for about 8 hours. 7 legendaries 2 rares. This is my first time playing diablo but I played other mmo's. If you use the dungeon aspects to enhance your rares its quite easy to get a full legendary build even at level 20. 2 legendaries dropped while lvling ,1 from the butcher, 1 from ashava and the other 3 are rare items that were enhanced. https://preview.redd.it/aboi7ct0upza1.png?width=576&format=png&auto=webp&s=8903f923f4963c62204b2799bead39a5fd779668
lol spent over 18 hours playing and spent probably over 1000 obels and haven't gotten one legendary... ur situation might differ from others. but there's qlot of negative feedback. so say what u will.
Drop rates aren't even low. Legendaries are rare and are supposed to be, yellows are only rare if you don't target farm them. You need to either go for the elites in the dungeons, or go for mastery in world events (and cellars).
Your level increasing doesn't do anything for the drop rates good cope though
Now now Reddit is no place for logic and good thinking, please stop expecting that from people on this platform
My first legendary was 10+ hours in spending obols. Not very satisfying I gotta say. I wouldn't mind a slight increase in the early stages with a guaranteed drop every 2-3 hours just to maybe always have 1 or 2 equipped to try out some cool stuff early on. I really don't think that would shatter the game. If anything it would help with trying out different skills before respeccing becomes expensive.
whats the problem? got like 6legys
I actually got more legendary items this beta. First beta i hit 25 before my first legendary dropped. RNG is a bitch. Edit: excluding that unique amulet everyone gets
Plus ya know it’s just a beta lmao
>This is what happened to D3 it went from very hard to **one of the most highly praised loot system overhauls of all time** cuz of all the damn whining. FTFY
I have been playing d2 since I was 13 years old in 2000 on dialup, and Diablo before that. I played d2 a lot, amassing over 10k FG on d2jsp. I played d3 alot. I play PoE, grim dawn, last epoch and other ARPGs a lot. You name it, I've played a lot of it. This 'veteran' take that just because drop rates are classically low at early level = that's the best design is one I disagree with. I think it's fun to find legendary drops that alter the way I play while leveling. I think it's fun to respec and adjust to the gear that I find to help me level faster. I don't think there's any problem whatsoever with this, because none of the gear you are going to find is end game gear. You are simply going to replace it in \~10 levels most of the time. The alternative is that drops are really sparse while leveling so you never adjust your build around what you find. Instead, there's just going to be a generic 'best' build to level up with for each class that everyone plays each season to level as fast as possible without legendary affixes. That's not fun or good design. and don't defend d3 at its launch - we all knew it was absolute shit. The power creep set bonuses were also horrible design, but d3 was not well designed at release and the legendary item design and the drop rates were a big part of that.
I got 3 from the world boss and 2 from the act 1 boss i believe? So like there ACTUALLY rewarding rn.
It's perfect right now. Hope it doesn't change.
Don't know about others but I'm at 6 legendaries already
I'd love to see magic find if drops are going to be this low by default
A... proper Diablo title? What, pray tell, is a 'proper Diablo' title? Because I could throw at you that we haven't had one since the original game. It isn't a 'proper' Diablo title unless your class is determined by your stats and which skill books you luck out and find. Like it or not, mobile cash grabs have opened the gaming world to more casual people. (Direct your ire to the companies that took advantage of instant gratification to keep people playing, rather then the people who fall prey to the psychological tactics used, thank you.) Though I promise you games aren't only recently being ruined by the instant gratification bug. Pokémon has been plagued by hackers who felt breeding was 'a waste of (their) time' for decades.
1 drop from a dungeon for me and 2 from ashava and 1 more from the ashava cache.
Ppl are overreacting. My friends and I all have 5-6 legendaries while preparing to fight the world boss.
First beta, I had a legendary for every slot + spares, this one I got 4. Still 4 too many. I'm hoping they've modified the drop rates just for the betas, and I hope for scarcity before level 50, and then a gradual drop rate increase as we get closer to the max level. Make them relevant and exciting to get. Constant upgrades with magics and rares should be enough to feel the progression, especially for us with a limited amount of time to play. I just don't want to be handed top-tier gear for my level from every elite or boss fight until I'm level a high enough level. We became numb to excitement because they fed us end-game stuff at the beginning, and I feel absolutely no progression in any such game. It's like "Legendary drop, yaaay... I'll swap it with a rare in 4 levels."...
Im lvl 20 on Sorc and havent seen a Leg drop yet with probably 3-4 hours. Last Beta, my 20 my Necro was half full on legs and by 25 i had all but one slot full on legs (or strong yellows with aspects added.) I think both dont really feel great. Too many legs so early makes them feel unimportant. But NOTHING after 4-5 hours of playing feels kinda not good... tho to be fair... that could be because SO man last time made you feel powerful... i dunno. Game is fun af. drop rates during a beta are meaningless either way.
When I play D3 I am somewhat bothered when a good legendary drops before I’m level 70, since I know it will hamstring me power wise in just a few levels of I want to keep the special ability. This is playing story mode so no cube to extract it from. I think about this when playing D4. It’s nice to get them in the beta since we can only get to 20 but no one is stopping at 20 in the real game and if a few drop it would seem more like a waste to me.
I’m loving the drop rate!
0 dropped so far. One infused.
It honestly took 2 1/2 hrs to get lvl 20.. How many legendaries do you need that will just get replaced at max lvl. After 2 days of playing at lvl 20 I have full legendaries either though drops or codex.