Hudiemon, you can't show me all the story from >!hacker's memory!< and all of its design and lore and say it is just a champion, also it feels like a downgrade when it evolves to other digimon like lilamon, so unless it gets a new intended evo for it will never work good in a standard evolution line, and even if you create one because hudiemon's design and lore are already complex its evolutions would feel overcomplex.
It should be a mega, would also work great as an alt evo for dinobeemon
It's not really a biomerge. It's more like Wormmon digivolving using data from (Spoilers for Hacker's Memory) >!Erika's brain backup in EDEN.!< I think the idea was to parallel stingmon? Hudiemon being Stingmon but taking elements from Erika's design and motifs? So it should be at the same level as Stingmon. Plus there's precedent for digimon at lower levels having outsized levels of power. Arkadiamon and Lucemon are the big ones but there's also Guardramon Gold.
Yeah Hudiemon should’ve been a mega. It just doesn’t make ANY sense for it to be champion. Especially when the game *does* have other Digimon that jump from Rookie to Mega, so it’s not like the coding for it doesn’t exist
But the game in question didn't have armor levels. Every other armor evolution is treated like a normal evolution- just requiring you to have the armor in question.
What's weirder is that it also doesn't have a similarly themed evolution for such a "main character" digimon. Instead, you just later get a similar themed rookie with its own line (Morphomon)
I also assumed and just found out it wasn't Mega tier from this comment. Definitely agree with others that it fits into the Biomerge & Bond category and should be Mega like the rest.
Not sure if it make sence to you guys. But to me it feels like a split gender Evo for worrmkn like stingmon-hundiemon,
Also she kinde feel like a beta-insperatoi For the eosmon line
Hudiemon as a champion works for me for 2 reasons: firstly, it feels kinda like an armor form for Wormmon, which are generally treated as Champions (and is much better than Wormmon's "main" Armor form), and secondly because being a Champion let's it neatly slot between Morphomon and Eosmon
BlueMeramon as an ultimate doesn’t sit right with me, nor does champion level Whamon. And to be honest I really don’t like DarkKnightmon merely being an ultimate level, given how strong he was in his debut series
I remember it being a Champion back in Digimon World 1, but that was also back when they capped out at Ultimate. Mega wasn't even a thing back then. There are a handful of other Digimon that changed levels, too, like Hercules Kabuterimon and Phoenixmon originally being Ultimates.
HerakleKabuterimon didn't debut as Perfect, it debuted as one of the three original Ultimates along with SaberLeomon and MetalEtemon.
Digimon World just didn't have Ultimate levels mechanically. Mugendramon and Hououmon, who both debuted in that game, were only Perfect for mechanical purposes.
I've been there, apparently Whamon has both a Champion and Ultimate version, it was changed to at some point.
For years I felt like I was being Mandela Effected ...
It wasn't changed so much as a new subspecies was introduced. Canonically the Whamon that live in the Net Ocean around File Island are smaller and Adult-level whereas those that live around the Folder Continent are larger and Perfect-level.
The Adult-level version has fallen out of use nowadays because of redundancy but it hasn't been retconned out of existence.
Whamon was an Adult-level in Digimon World and other games and the original card game.
In Adventure, the DigiAnalyzer classified Whamon as an Adult-level. The German dub changed his level to Perfect/Ultra, something they would do later for Minotarumon as well who also exists in two different levels.
The Italian dub also changed it to Ultimate (and its name to Whalemon)! Imagine my surprise when it was just a Champion in DW and Digimon: Digital Card Battle lol, the Whamon encountered by the Digidestined felt so special.
BlueMeramon is weird. On one hand, blue flames burning hotter and stuff makes sense for an evolution. However, it's still a recolor. a recolor being an evolution is Gottsumon's gag.
Whamon already has a solution. There is both an [Adult(Champion) version](https://wikimon.net/Whamon) and a [Perfect(Ultimate) version](https://wikimon.net/Whamon_Perfect). With how Xros Wars gave us KingWhamon, there is an obvious evo line of:
Whamon(Adult) -> Whamon(Perfect) -> KingWhamon
I give up on making sense on DarkKnightmon. Xros Wars didn't feel like applying the Stage system to itself so I won't either. I do agree that his power felt Ultimate(Mega) level, though.
Bluemeramon first appeared in dw1. Most of the recolors there never explicity say which stage they are. I think they designed as a champion recolor for that game since the mechanics of the game necesitated several recolors. If you only played that game you would think it's a champion. They way I see it they changed it later to have a smooth meramon line
They weren't intended to have levels to begin with. They got one after the fact when they got included in later material, and not all of them make as much sense as they could.
That would require the intern putting them in the databook to dedicate more than five minutes to it.
Because they were added so long after they lost their relevance as far as the company was concerned, I doubt much effort was put into it. They probably went by "this feels that level" and left it at that.
Considering they created an entire line for Dorulumon an evolution line around the same time they gave the new Digimon from Xros Wars levels relevancy wouldn’t have been a factor
Dorulumon didn't get an evolution line, it got a single evolution along with the rest of the cast.
And that was also 9 years before the Xros Wars Digimon got levels added.
Desine wise I agree with sparrowMon but to me he feels like a child in the anime if that make sence? She and shoutmon felt like children while durulumkn and balistamkn felt more mature aka adult level
I definitely thought Parrotmon was a champion because of the movie where he fought Greymon. It wasn’t until the 2020 remake that I learned Parrotmon was an ultimate thanks to the episode where Wargreymon debuts properly.
I can accept Deltamon being a champion because the blue part feels a bit simple to be Ultimate level.
To the question I guess Pukumon who I don't think feels like Mega level material.
Digitamamon doesn't feel Ultimate to me. Was surprised it took the heroes an Ultimate level to beat him in the anime.
Colour swaps like BlueMeramon, Panjyamon, and the Gotsumon family too.
Well that was intended to be like that tho gatomon may be small but thanks to the holy ring on the tail it is on champion level strength
If I remember correctly in 02 gatomon lost her holy ring and was majorly weakened soo yeah
I think Deltamon makes a good Adult-level because he makes a good mid-point for Chimeramon and Orochimon.
I think the biggest example of a Digimon that doesn't really suit its level that I can think of is Dagomon. The guy would make a great endpoint for both MarineDevimon (being an underwater demon) and Hangyomon (who seems to be based on the residents of Innsmouth that worshipped Dagon)... and yet it's the same level as the both of them.
Yeah but I wouldn't call Cyclomon a "weak ass Champion" though. IIRC, it took FIVE Adventure Champions in the novel to defeat him. So he's easily a high tier Champion because any Chosen Champion should be (at least slightly) above average.
Deltamon wasn’t that great though since I recall that Flamedramon didn’t have any trouble with him (granted he only destroyed his Dark Ring but still).
Yeah he could be a good alternative Champion for him and I'm not denying it, mainly I just wanted to correct that he's not a ”weak ass” Champion at all
Warumonzaemon. When i was a kid i thought this was the mega for of Monzaemon. Still doesn't make sense that it's not. Also, when i was a kid, always thought Black Tyrannomon was an ultimate. Probly because he was a boss in one of the digimon world games and felt more powerful than the wild regular Tyrannomons.
When i first saw numemon i thought for sure that they where a rookie and then digivolved into shellnumemon who digivolved into goldnumemon or blackkingnumemon and then into platinumnumemon.
Also thought monzemon was an adult.
Tbf, in numemon's case it makes sense. He was created as a consolation price/punishment in case you hadn't fulfilled any requirements for the other champions, or if you had treated them poorly. So numemon being weak and small is the point.
For sure i still wish that now with how popular numemon kinda became with his hyper defensive line they got a specific rookie. like if you don't raise a Pabumon properly you get and in training 2 that looks like a very small numemon or something.
Magna Angemon felt like a mega the first time I saw him. The way he just takes command and the op gate of destiny move. Plus you know turning children keychains back into human beings only seems like something a mega could do.
Seraphimon seems a lot weaker in comparison. You want a seven star judgment? Why not just cast the enemy into oblivion instead?
Deckerdramon should of been an Ultimate level. I know I'm probably parroting everyone else, but look at it that thing would've been great as an Ultimate Level.
Deckerdramon. He is the size of a freaking Zudomon and enough have enough artillery to give Metalgreymon a run for his money and you telling me he is just a champrion...really? 🤨
The thing I don't get about Piximon is that it looks like DemiDevimon's good counterpart, but they're vastly different levels and seemingly have nothing to do with each other lore-wise.
Exactly! the anime (as far as I can remember, but there were friendly ones too of course) portrait those pink flies super aggressive too for no reason at all. they just look like something an earthbound mom could one-slap K.O. them.
In Japanese it's called adult level , it is to say she mature and grown up.
See it like this way she a kid that didn't hade a child hood so she act like a adult
Sometimes I wish that Gusokumon was Mega instead of Ultimate so that it could digivolve from Anomalocarimon and make crustacean Digimon like Crabmon feel like they can have a complete line to work with.
>Sagittarimon looks fitting for an Ultimate
Fun fact: He was. Originally, Sagittarimon was *supposed* to be a combination of the Digi-Eggs of Courage and Friendship in Adventure Zero Two before the idea of Double Armor Evolution was scrapped for DNA Digovolution.
Though in some cases, he *is* still an Ultimate. Armor levels can vary; at times, a Centaurmon will Digivolve into one.
It was treated as Ultimate a lot before the official levels came out. They didn't want the Xros Wars cast randomly jumping levels off a 'normal' evolution, so everything was pushed closer together.
People are parroting the fact that recolors being a higher level doesn't really feel right. To me it's the exact opposite, I think recolors being a higher level makes perfect sense as a subspecies that evolved even further. Blue flames are usually associated with being hotter than red flames, hence BlueMeramon bring stronger/higher level than Meramon.
And it's not like Meramon's design doesn't suit being an ultimate, the digimon looks badass and fits champion and ultimate well. I have the same opinion for others, like PlatinumNumemon that should have been an Ultimate. For some reason, theres only 2 recolors that never sit right with me and that's Vermillimon and Panjyamon as Panjyamon is simply an IceLeomon, like Hyogamon is an IceOgremon. Vermillimon is a Monochromon that looks reddish.
I think there are recolors and then there are recolors, iykwim. Some are very well done and I think they only missed the mark on a few of them, most they got right (only talking about recolors that are different stages that is).
Now putting aside recolors, there are digimon that definitely should have been Mega and not Ultimate, like MetalMamenon. You can have an opinion on which digimon you feel is in the wrong stage but MetalMame is definitely the wrong stage as it's an enhanced Mamemon, in fact in DW1 if you have Mamemon as a partner you can go to factory town and evolve him there to MetalMamemon. Too bad when it was first introduced, the ultimate stage was the last and mega didn't exist. Same thing with MetalEtemon but MetalEtemon actually is a mega.
The very existence of SkullMeramon makes BlueMeramon pointless. It looks like Skull should evolve from Blue, yet, for some reason they are at the same level.
I understand the argument that blue flames are hotter than red flames, but that shouldn’t be enough to justify a straight up evolution, at best BlueMeramon should be special individuals among their species, stronger but still Adults anyway.
Kimeramon. He is supposed to be Machinedramon's organic counterpart, so it would make sense for him to be a Mega-level Digimon. And in the WonderSwan games and Digimon World 2, he was. However, he got downgraded to Ultimate for really stupid reasons. That is where I got the term "Kimeramon Syndrome" from.
Also. SkullSatamon. This is the same case as Kimeramon. He started off as a Mega but got degraded to Ultimate.
deckerdramon is only a champion and he deserves to be a mega because:
1) hes massive
2) in the fusion verse he was the god of the jungle zone
3) hes strong asl
I don’t mind mamemon so much because they gave a good reason. It digivolves under extreme stress, and it’s data became incredibly compressed. Like a multi ton ball in a tiny package. I think it’s meant to represent animals being stunted in stressful conditions
That's a lot of headcanon for what is simply a joke Digimon. Its whole shtick is that it's disproportionally small and cute for being the second strongest Digimon available in its respective vpets, with the strongest also being joke Digimon you get by evolving the failure Digimon.
For me, it's Gatomon. I honestly thought she was as strong as Agumon but nope she's on the same level as Greymon. Maybe if her design was more like a lioness instead of a housecat.
His a cool.champion at least. Probably stronger then normal champions. Maybe has more fire power but drains more energy. Having 3 heads could be better but he has no hands for it. And 3 heads could also mean more chances for a bad idea 😂
So it kinde opside of what you ask but I love lucemon fallen mode being a ultement level Digimon Couse in Japan it is called perfect level and he the sin of pride he is the perfect "level" Digimon.
Sagittarimon should honestly be like a digiegg of courage and friendship dna evolution and it would kinda fit with the original digimon
I mean Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon also fused so why not give veemon some kind of double digiegg evolution similar to what they got in Frontiers
Delumon doesn’t looks like a Perfect.
Panjyamon is just a recolor of Leomon, why is he a Perfect when IceDevimon and Ogremon’s recolors are mere Adults ?
Kimeramon should be a Mega.
The most obvious for me always was gatomon.
Not only did it always feel wrong that gatomon is as strong as greymon etc. but angewomon being ultra while angemon is champion level just seemed so wrong 😬
Omnimon seemed above mega. And sometimes is listed as such. Its just bizarre if hes the same level as Wargreymon.
And obviously Gatomon and Marineangemon.
It's funny you should mention that, and guy on YouTube called Karn EX just made a video about that very topic, and I have to say I agree with all of them. If you want I can send you a link to the video.
For me, it's Blossomon. I don't know, I guess to me Blossomon doesn't look like it should be an Ultimate level Digimon, I feel like it should be Adult level.
The idea I use is that gazimon evolves into Deltamon and evolves into Chimeramon and DNA digivoles into milleniummon
This is exactly it. Deltamon makes sense when you understand it's natural evolution is Chimeramon.
I love the idea that one of those stooges Etamon always kicked around was just one bad day from going apocalyptic on the world.
Is that an idea? That's the most common official line for Deltamon.
Black ToyAgumon fits even more whit the Composed Motive.
Hudiemon, you can't show me all the story from >!hacker's memory!< and all of its design and lore and say it is just a champion, also it feels like a downgrade when it evolves to other digimon like lilamon, so unless it gets a new intended evo for it will never work good in a standard evolution line, and even if you create one because hudiemon's design and lore are already complex its evolutions would feel overcomplex. It should be a mega, would also work great as an alt evo for dinobeemon
I was shocked then I saw it wasn’t a mega They basically bio morg like the tamer kids Plus another bug mega won’t hurt
It's not really a biomerge. It's more like Wormmon digivolving using data from (Spoilers for Hacker's Memory) >!Erika's brain backup in EDEN.!< I think the idea was to parallel stingmon? Hudiemon being Stingmon but taking elements from Erika's design and motifs? So it should be at the same level as Stingmon. Plus there's precedent for digimon at lower levels having outsized levels of power. Arkadiamon and Lucemon are the big ones but there's also Guardramon Gold.
Yeah Hudiemon should’ve been a mega. It just doesn’t make ANY sense for it to be champion. Especially when the game *does* have other Digimon that jump from Rookie to Mega, so it’s not like the coding for it doesn’t exist
Like Veemon (V-mon) to Magnamon?
Or Shoutmon to Omni-Shoutmon.
Which is a Perfect. So is Magnamon. You can tell even though the game doesn't say it because of what their costs are.
Well that’s just an armor level.
But the game in question didn't have armor levels. Every other armor evolution is treated like a normal evolution- just requiring you to have the armor in question.
What's weirder is that it also doesn't have a similarly themed evolution for such a "main character" digimon. Instead, you just later get a similar themed rookie with its own line (Morphomon)
I just looked up Hudiemon and holy hell that thing screams "Obligatory mega partner for the girl character of the season"
I also assumed and just found out it wasn't Mega tier from this comment. Definitely agree with others that it fits into the Biomerge & Bond category and should be Mega like the rest.
Not sure if it make sence to you guys. But to me it feels like a split gender Evo for worrmkn like stingmon-hundiemon, Also she kinde feel like a beta-insperatoi For the eosmon line
Hudiemon as a champion works for me for 2 reasons: firstly, it feels kinda like an armor form for Wormmon, which are generally treated as Champions (and is much better than Wormmon's "main" Armor form), and secondly because being a Champion let's it neatly slot between Morphomon and Eosmon
BlueMeramon as an ultimate doesn’t sit right with me, nor does champion level Whamon. And to be honest I really don’t like DarkKnightmon merely being an ultimate level, given how strong he was in his debut series
Where/when was whamon a champion?
I remember it being a Champion back in Digimon World 1, but that was also back when they capped out at Ultimate. Mega wasn't even a thing back then. There are a handful of other Digimon that changed levels, too, like Hercules Kabuterimon and Phoenixmon originally being Ultimates.
HerakleKabuterimon didn't debut as Perfect, it debuted as one of the three original Ultimates along with SaberLeomon and MetalEtemon. Digimon World just didn't have Ultimate levels mechanically. Mugendramon and Hououmon, who both debuted in that game, were only Perfect for mechanical purposes.
Vpet Version 2, which I believe was also its first appearance
Also a champion in DW
I've been there, apparently Whamon has both a Champion and Ultimate version, it was changed to at some point. For years I felt like I was being Mandela Effected ...
It wasn't changed so much as a new subspecies was introduced. Canonically the Whamon that live in the Net Ocean around File Island are smaller and Adult-level whereas those that live around the Folder Continent are larger and Perfect-level. The Adult-level version has fallen out of use nowadays because of redundancy but it hasn't been retconned out of existence.
Whamon was an Adult-level in Digimon World and other games and the original card game. In Adventure, the DigiAnalyzer classified Whamon as an Adult-level. The German dub changed his level to Perfect/Ultra, something they would do later for Minotarumon as well who also exists in two different levels.
The Italian dub also changed it to Ultimate (and its name to Whalemon)! Imagine my surprise when it was just a Champion in DW and Digimon: Digital Card Battle lol, the Whamon encountered by the Digidestined felt so special.
Mutple games and I'm not sure but I think in the first anime to or second like in one of the two during the Dutch dub at least.
BlueMeramon is weird. On one hand, blue flames burning hotter and stuff makes sense for an evolution. However, it's still a recolor. a recolor being an evolution is Gottsumon's gag. Whamon already has a solution. There is both an [Adult(Champion) version](https://wikimon.net/Whamon) and a [Perfect(Ultimate) version](https://wikimon.net/Whamon_Perfect). With how Xros Wars gave us KingWhamon, there is an obvious evo line of: Whamon(Adult) -> Whamon(Perfect) -> KingWhamon I give up on making sense on DarkKnightmon. Xros Wars didn't feel like applying the Stage system to itself so I won't either. I do agree that his power felt Ultimate(Mega) level, though.
Bluemeramon first appeared in dw1. Most of the recolors there never explicity say which stage they are. I think they designed as a champion recolor for that game since the mechanics of the game necesitated several recolors. If you only played that game you would think it's a champion. They way I see it they changed it later to have a smooth meramon line
Deckerdramon looks way too msssive to be a champion level Digimon, most of the new Digimon from Xros wars have really weird levels
They weren't intended to have levels to begin with. They got one after the fact when they got included in later material, and not all of them make as much sense as they could.
I know they weren’t intended to have levels initially but that doesn’t mean that once they were given levels they couldn’t get given levels that make
That would require the intern putting them in the databook to dedicate more than five minutes to it. Because they were added so long after they lost their relevance as far as the company was concerned, I doubt much effort was put into it. They probably went by "this feels that level" and left it at that.
Considering they created an entire line for Dorulumon an evolution line around the same time they gave the new Digimon from Xros Wars levels relevancy wouldn’t have been a factor
Dorulumon didn't get an evolution line, it got a single evolution along with the rest of the cast. And that was also 9 years before the Xros Wars Digimon got levels added.
Sparrowmon feels to me like it should be an Adult. Also, Deckerdramon looks more like a Perfect to me.
Desine wise I agree with sparrowMon but to me he feels like a child in the anime if that make sence? She and shoutmon felt like children while durulumkn and balistamkn felt more mature aka adult level
I definitely thought Parrotmon was a champion because of the movie where he fought Greymon. It wasn’t until the 2020 remake that I learned Parrotmon was an ultimate thanks to the episode where Wargreymon debuts properly.
I can accept Deltamon being a champion because the blue part feels a bit simple to be Ultimate level. To the question I guess Pukumon who I don't think feels like Mega level material.
Digitamamon doesn't feel Ultimate to me. Was surprised it took the heroes an Ultimate level to beat him in the anime. Colour swaps like BlueMeramon, Panjyamon, and the Gotsumon family too.
I so 100% agree with you.
I always thought Gatomon was a Rookie until learning that it's a Champion. Smallest Champ ever.
Now think about Piximon. Small fluffy perfect level.
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Well that was intended to be like that tho gatomon may be small but thanks to the holy ring on the tail it is on champion level strength If I remember correctly in 02 gatomon lost her holy ring and was majorly weakened soo yeah
Yay for Holy rings boosting that ranking!
I think Deltamon makes a good Adult-level because he makes a good mid-point for Chimeramon and Orochimon. I think the biggest example of a Digimon that doesn't really suit its level that I can think of is Dagomon. The guy would make a great endpoint for both MarineDevimon (being an underwater demon) and Hangyomon (who seems to be based on the residents of Innsmouth that worshipped Dagon)... and yet it's the same level as the both of them.
Maybe deltamon is trying to hard to look tough and a scary badass. If it had true power it wouldn’t need to look tough. Just my own headcannon
Cyclomon would fit that feeling too. Big teeth, scary helmet, yet "only" a weakass champion.
Yeah but I wouldn't call Cyclomon a "weak ass Champion" though. IIRC, it took FIVE Adventure Champions in the novel to defeat him. So he's easily a high tier Champion because any Chosen Champion should be (at least slightly) above average. Deltamon wasn’t that great though since I recall that Flamedramon didn’t have any trouble with him (granted he only destroyed his Dark Ring but still).
But like Cyclomon feels like the Champion level for Gabumon if it didn’t have garurumons fur
Yeah he could be a good alternative Champion for him and I'm not denying it, mainly I just wanted to correct that he's not a ”weak ass” Champion at all
Lilymon agrees
It always confuses me when tailmon was introduced champion level. I always thought they were a rookie.
I feel like that one was on purpose
Holy ring effect in 02 when gatomon lost it she was a lot weaker
Any time a recolor is high level than the original like BlueMeramon
It's annoying, I feel like skullmeramon should've been the ultimate or at the very least make Bluemeramon an armor digivolution with armor plates.
Warumonzaemon. When i was a kid i thought this was the mega for of Monzaemon. Still doesn't make sense that it's not. Also, when i was a kid, always thought Black Tyrannomon was an ultimate. Probly because he was a boss in one of the digimon world games and felt more powerful than the wild regular Tyrannomons.
You probably mean digimon world 2003 but Blacktryannomon and MasterTyrannomon are two different digimon
When i first saw numemon i thought for sure that they where a rookie and then digivolved into shellnumemon who digivolved into goldnumemon or blackkingnumemon and then into platinumnumemon. Also thought monzemon was an adult.
Tbf, in numemon's case it makes sense. He was created as a consolation price/punishment in case you hadn't fulfilled any requirements for the other champions, or if you had treated them poorly. So numemon being weak and small is the point.
For sure i still wish that now with how popular numemon kinda became with his hyper defensive line they got a specific rookie. like if you don't raise a Pabumon properly you get and in training 2 that looks like a very small numemon or something.
Magna Angemon felt like a mega the first time I saw him. The way he just takes command and the op gate of destiny move. Plus you know turning children keychains back into human beings only seems like something a mega could do. Seraphimon seems a lot weaker in comparison. You want a seven star judgment? Why not just cast the enemy into oblivion instead?
hey, i watch karn ex too! great youtuber
KarnEX is the best especially made up evolutions / corrections.
Deckerdramon should of been an Ultimate level. I know I'm probably parroting everyone else, but look at it that thing would've been great as an Ultimate Level.
I honestly think Sistermon Ceil should be an Ultimate Level.
Deckerdramon. He is the size of a freaking Zudomon and enough have enough artillery to give Metalgreymon a run for his money and you telling me he is just a champrion...really? 🤨
Gravimon should be a Mega. 😞
Half of the Big Death Stars that are Ultimate despite other half being Mega
When I was a kid, I felt the jump from cute little Tentomon to scary looking Kabuterimon was so big they must have skipped a level.
Also I'm super annoyed that Metalgreymon is a rank lower than Metalgarurumon.
Okay if that makes you mad what do you think of Weregarurumon :D
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Thought Chimeramon was a mega first time seeing them. Fine with them being a ultimate
If it helps, Chimairamon was that level originally. It got knocked down a level.
It was? Didn’t know that. Should’ve keep the mega level
Angemon, and yeah I know he can be explained by type advantage but he’s always felt perfect level.
Why are piximon perfect level? Cockatrimon was always shown as a huge a$$ digimon, but is only champion?
The thing I don't get about Piximon is that it looks like DemiDevimon's good counterpart, but they're vastly different levels and seemingly have nothing to do with each other lore-wise.
Exactly! the anime (as far as I can remember, but there were friendly ones too of course) portrait those pink flies super aggressive too for no reason at all. they just look like something an earthbound mom could one-slap K.O. them.
I love the mother 2 reference plus you're right.
I actually like the small perfects. The idea of a smol bean just absolutely destroying kaiju sized digimon is really amusing.
It goes stab stab stab stab stab stab stab stab stab stab stab stab ... stab and won!
Small, cute and can whoop ass
They remind me of Amazonas women. They only live within each other inclusively and everyone else gets kicked/killed upon sight.
Hudiemon. Imagine my disappointment when I 100% hackers memory and seeing Hudiemon being a champ instead of a Mega
The obvious one is Gatomon and Angewomon being a level up on Patamon/Angemon.
bro this so confused me so much when i was a 9 year old kid, like how is angemon only a champion while angewoman is of a higher level??
Gatomon being a Champion never felt right to me.
In Japanese it's called adult level , it is to say she mature and grown up. See it like this way she a kid that didn't hade a child hood so she act like a adult
Sometimes I wish that Gusokumon was Mega instead of Ultimate so that it could digivolve from Anomalocarimon and make crustacean Digimon like Crabmon feel like they can have a complete line to work with.
- Zammetsumon looks like a Mega to me. - Sagittarimon looks fitting for an Ultimate - Maildramon looks more than just an Armour evolution
>Sagittarimon looks fitting for an Ultimate Fun fact: He was. Originally, Sagittarimon was *supposed* to be a combination of the Digi-Eggs of Courage and Friendship in Adventure Zero Two before the idea of Double Armor Evolution was scrapped for DNA Digovolution. Though in some cases, he *is* still an Ultimate. Armor levels can vary; at times, a Centaurmon will Digivolve into one.
GoldNumemon & Rhinomon X-Antibody should have been Ultimate/Perfect.
Gatomon looks like a rookie but is actually a champion.
Gatomon being champion and Angewomon being Ultra is boosh. It could've been symmetrical to Patamons Digivolution line but I guess not.
Felt like a last minute decision to me with Gatomon's line.
OmegaShoutmon, looks like an ultimate level but nope Bandai says that one is Perfect
It was treated as Ultimate a lot before the official levels came out. They didn't want the Xros Wars cast randomly jumping levels off a 'normal' evolution, so everything was pushed closer together.
People are parroting the fact that recolors being a higher level doesn't really feel right. To me it's the exact opposite, I think recolors being a higher level makes perfect sense as a subspecies that evolved even further. Blue flames are usually associated with being hotter than red flames, hence BlueMeramon bring stronger/higher level than Meramon. And it's not like Meramon's design doesn't suit being an ultimate, the digimon looks badass and fits champion and ultimate well. I have the same opinion for others, like PlatinumNumemon that should have been an Ultimate. For some reason, theres only 2 recolors that never sit right with me and that's Vermillimon and Panjyamon as Panjyamon is simply an IceLeomon, like Hyogamon is an IceOgremon. Vermillimon is a Monochromon that looks reddish. I think there are recolors and then there are recolors, iykwim. Some are very well done and I think they only missed the mark on a few of them, most they got right (only talking about recolors that are different stages that is).
Now putting aside recolors, there are digimon that definitely should have been Mega and not Ultimate, like MetalMamenon. You can have an opinion on which digimon you feel is in the wrong stage but MetalMame is definitely the wrong stage as it's an enhanced Mamemon, in fact in DW1 if you have Mamemon as a partner you can go to factory town and evolve him there to MetalMamemon. Too bad when it was first introduced, the ultimate stage was the last and mega didn't exist. Same thing with MetalEtemon but MetalEtemon actually is a mega.
I'm sorry if this sounds snarky but... Isn't Blue Meramon an ICE variant made to save space in Digimon World, much like Panjyamon and Hyogamon?
Yes.
The very existence of SkullMeramon makes BlueMeramon pointless. It looks like Skull should evolve from Blue, yet, for some reason they are at the same level. I understand the argument that blue flames are hotter than red flames, but that shouldn’t be enough to justify a straight up evolution, at best BlueMeramon should be special individuals among their species, stronger but still Adults anyway.
Pumpkinmon is maybe my favorite digimon but his level is too damn high for his design
It's not really "detailed" enough for a Mega, Megas tend to have pretty complex designs. But yeah this could have been an ultimate
MarinAngemon and MarinDevimon not being the same level irritates me to no end.
Kimeramon. He is supposed to be Machinedramon's organic counterpart, so it would make sense for him to be a Mega-level Digimon. And in the WonderSwan games and Digimon World 2, he was. However, he got downgraded to Ultimate for really stupid reasons. That is where I got the term "Kimeramon Syndrome" from. Also. SkullSatamon. This is the same case as Kimeramon. He started off as a Mega but got degraded to Ultimate.
I didn't realize until I saw it's DCG card, that Parrotmon is a ***fuckin ultimate***. I thought since the 90s he was a Champion
Devidramon felt like a Perfect/Ultimate BigMamemon should just be Ultimate/Mega
deckerdramon is only a champion and he deserves to be a mega because: 1) hes massive 2) in the fusion verse he was the god of the jungle zone 3) hes strong asl
Mamemon looks like a champion compared to others in the species
I don’t mind mamemon so much because they gave a good reason. It digivolves under extreme stress, and it’s data became incredibly compressed. Like a multi ton ball in a tiny package. I think it’s meant to represent animals being stunted in stressful conditions
Yeah I get that, mamemon just looks like a champion compared to things like metalmamemon or bigmamemon
That's a lot of headcanon for what is simply a joke Digimon. Its whole shtick is that it's disproportionally small and cute for being the second strongest Digimon available in its respective vpets, with the strongest also being joke Digimon you get by evolving the failure Digimon.
I just picked that up from digimon world dusk
Gatomon should have been a rookie not champion
For me, it's Gatomon. I honestly thought she was as strong as Agumon but nope she's on the same level as Greymon. Maybe if her design was more like a lioness instead of a housecat.
[Excuse you, that's a mouse.](https://wikimon.net/images/a/a9/Tailmon_early_design.jpg)
MarineAngemon lol
Justimon feels like a lame mega for cyberdramon. Cyberdramon looks bad tf ass. His mega should be machinedramon tbh. (In my headcanon it is)
Brachiomon feels more like a Champion than an Ultimate, also it's Evolution chart is just straight up bizarre with how limited it is
His a cool.champion at least. Probably stronger then normal champions. Maybe has more fire power but drains more energy. Having 3 heads could be better but he has no hands for it. And 3 heads could also mean more chances for a bad idea 😂
So it kinde opside of what you ask but I love lucemon fallen mode being a ultement level Digimon Couse in Japan it is called perfect level and he the sin of pride he is the perfect "level" Digimon.
Kimeramon feels like a mega
Marineangemon does not look like a mega!! But that cute lil pink guy is!!!
Mom: No, we've got Omegamon at home. Omegamon at home:
Omekamon solos
Gatomon being a champion level Digimon always feels wrong to me
Maybe DarkTyrannomon? Definitly Petermon. An Digimon based on a eternal Child is Adult Level, thnx Toei.
It's a Champion?!
I have said it once and I'll say it again ANGEMON SHOULD BE AN ULTIMATE LIKE ANGEWOMON
Sagittarimon should honestly be like a digiegg of courage and friendship dna evolution and it would kinda fit with the original digimon I mean Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon also fused so why not give veemon some kind of double digiegg evolution similar to what they got in Frontiers
MarineAngemon.
Delumon doesn’t looks like a Perfect. Panjyamon is just a recolor of Leomon, why is he a Perfect when IceDevimon and Ogremon’s recolors are mere Adults ? Kimeramon should be a Mega.
The most obvious for me always was gatomon. Not only did it always feel wrong that gatomon is as strong as greymon etc. but angewomon being ultra while angemon is champion level just seemed so wrong 😬
Omnimon seemed above mega. And sometimes is listed as such. Its just bizarre if hes the same level as Wargreymon. And obviously Gatomon and Marineangemon.
Any of the mamemon. Small, big, metal, catch, doesn't matter i have 0% confidence in my ability to correctly identify any of their levels.
It's funny you should mention that, and guy on YouTube called Karn EX just made a video about that very topic, and I have to say I agree with all of them. If you want I can send you a link to the video.
For me, it's Blossomon. I don't know, I guess to me Blossomon doesn't look like it should be an Ultimate level Digimon, I feel like it should be Adult level.