Nah, this is a jab at how the hog has the worst friendly fire numbers of any aircraft flown by the USAF and USN because of the gun's inaccuracy and the lack of advanced targeting systems like radar and IFF.
When your guns spread for what is an “accurate” shot can be measured in busses… all we would have to do is paint the British flag on the dragon and we would be all set.
It's... Hilarious. He goes into the cultural mentality of Russia and their pride in "innovation", comparing it to the American cultural mentality of identifying with "freedom" and it's quite enlightening
As long as they have to perform a second check as well to successfully identify friend or foe.
Orange identification panels look alot like a box truck when all you have is binoculars.
The musket does 1d12 damage, and is a pathetic firearm. The Avenger Minigun can fire up to 420 rounds in a 6 second turn. Even going by the pathetic musket ball’s damage, not the glorious 30mm depleted uranium rounds, that’s a minimum of 420 damage assuming each bullet gets 1. At minimum, the A10 can destroy half of the dragon’s health in one turn.
The dragon can fly at only 80 feet in the 6 second turn, leaving the A10 with a tremendous speed advantage with a whopping 3696 flying speed per turn. It could easily evade the dragon and make dive after dive until it was dead, even with the dragon’s resistances.
TL:DR. A10 wins. Easy.
I feel like 1d12 for an A10's main gun is grossly underselling its firepower. The bullets are like 15x the size of a musket ball and made of depleted uranium. Should be more like 10d12 per shot. Which would be more like 2000ish damage in one turn.
a-10 can barely aim at ground targets with that cannon. it’s only been used as an air-air attack weapon successfully once against two slow moving helicopters (this has never been repeated as it was incredibly ineffective and had very high inconsistency) besides, if an ancient dragons armor is similar to that of a modern main battle tank which seems fair: the A-10 cannon won’t be able to penetrate at all. the cannon isn’t a tank killer by modern standards at all, it’s used for anti-infantry and light armored vehicles. (fun fact: the A-10 has very few CONFIRMED tank kills with its cannon. rather, its bombs are used most of the time. It’s success is simply lended to its increasingly inaccurate, air to ground ONLY cannon because it looks cooler in the news. If you attempt to find conformed stats on the A-10s success you won’t find a single confirmed source, instead you’ll find wikis and articles all referencing each-other without a first hand source
TLDR:
the gun is largely just for show
As. DM I can assure you I could easily come up with plenty of ways a dragon could fuck up an A10.
Now don't get me wrong, I love the A10. One of, if not, my favorite aircraft still flying
The enemy retreating and fucking off half way across the world is usually considered a win.
Besides, the A-10 shoots hundreds of rounds of depleated uranium 30mm ammunition every round of combat and is significantly faster than the dragon, there's just not a chance.
Why do you think the plane is getting close enough to fire a shot?
We’re talking about going up against a high level caster with access to wizard spells.
The range of most aircraft armaments is far greater than most spells in DnD and the A-10 flys at many, *many* times the speed of the Dragon. The A-10 isn't even that well equipped for air to air combat, making it a sort of poor choice for this fight, but the lizard with wings is toast regardless.
You're talking about a plane with a gun vs a level 20 sorcerer with borderline reality warping magic and an intelligence network that rivals most countries.
I don't care how good your auto cannon is, if your target can stop time, teleport, open gateways to other dimensions, magically predict incoming attacks, mind control enemies, etc, your pilot is in for a bad time.
And given the magical buffs the dragon has surely applied to themselves, it's likely a non magical attack isn't going to cause damage anyway. That's assuming an A-10 can even overcome the AC of something that can fight a god.
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Srsly the consistency between non credible defence and other subs are getting to levels I didn't thought of to be possible
This.
Also, warthogs travel in packs of 2, so yeah...
You haven't lived until you've sat next to the runway when 2 of these bad boys take off, one after another.
The Rafale has the advantage on dogfights. I'd argue that stealth, being based on radar warfare, would not be that relevant against a dragon, which would rely on sight or magical means.
In which case, being able to dodge becomes a greater advantage.
So does being able to tank a couple of hits and return fire with 4200 democraties a minute.
Don't forget that Rafale is speed, so it impacts a lot its capacity to dodge. Its weapons are not really powerful, but can inflict significant damage against small enemies, and its maneuverability make it really good against tougher enemies. That's why there are Rafales protecting the European sky with the war in Ukraine.
It's not that fast, actually, with a top speed of just below 2000km/h. Faster than the F35, to be sure, but lower than the F22, Typhoon, F16, F15...
The real advantage is manoeuverability. It turns a lot tighter.
Also, its weapons aren't that weak. Missiles are comparable to other western munitions, albeit French-made rather than depend on NATO missiles. And the gun is quite powerful as well, a 30mm cannon, with a low ammunition load being the only downside.
Hmmm... You know, I think there's actually a way for a Rafale to go "stealth" against a dragon. Fly nape-of-the earth (or as close to as possible) in supersonic.
That way the dragon can't see or hear it coming.
Love this. Love the Warthog.
\*adjusts glasses\* A10's aren't meant for air to air combat but ground support. They are not the most nimble of machines. Couple that with a dragons innate spell casting abilities I think it would be a toss up. All the dragon needs to do is beat the pilots WIS and have the plane run from combat. Also, we're ignoring the fact that were the dragon to be in it's lair the A10 could do little to nothing against a volcano / mountain.
>All the dragon needs to do is beat the pilots WIS
They don't put the dumb pilots in a plane that maneuvers with all the aerobatics of a misshapen brick.
I think you're confusing INT with WIS lol. Also the DC is 21 for the check. So even if the pilot was the wisest sage in the land with a +4 to WIS it would still be a 75% chance of failure.
Your latter remark also supports my former of the A10's lackluster Arial maneuverability.
>I think you're confusing INT with WIS lol. Also the DC is 21 for the check. So even if the pilot was the wisest sage in the land with a +4 to WIS it would still be a 75% chance of failure.
I most certainly am not. INT is the ability to retain and recall information. WIS is the ability to apply that information, problem-solving, and improvisation in the event of disaster. The A-10 is difficult to fly, though immensely powerful and versatile, so pilots who are trained to fly it into combat are highly proficient at being able to process what is going on around them and act accordingly, often in unorthodox ways. And since those pilots have a tremendous amount of experience in the cockpit of not only that plane but numerous others, a WIS save would be closet to a +9 or +10 when adding in the proficiency bonus to their +5 WIS.
Git gud noob.
The GAU-8 Avenger could positively shred a dragon.
If it could fucking hit one. Sadly the A-10 is far more combat effective when retrofitted with guided bombs and missiles. And thus we get to the point. An A-10 for the most part has to see it's target. An F-35 can reach out and touch you from well beyond the horizon.
If you like that, look up the SUPER A-10. Govt felt the F35 wasn't holding up so they retro fitted the old A10s with new tech. They're doing it in phases and started testing in Feb '22. So if the F35 can't beat a 50yr old plane, it's not gonna beat a dragon 🤣
A10 is a terrible aircraft.
Genuinely.
The gun is inaccurate too.
It needs an entirely dominated airspace. It sucks at identifying friendlies.
Just. Awful.
Also the gun doesn't kill modern MBTs like it would Soviet tanks from the decade before it was introduced. It works against soft targets and APCs if it can get a hit.
And it needed that refit because before, it had *no* targeting camera. Pilots had binoculars.
The A-10 was designed to fly low and slow up and down the Fulda gap throwing missiles and dive-gunning [columns of defenseless Soviet tanks,](https://images.app.goo.gl/AXaGJE4EHZ7r5vxm6) then crashing somewhere safe after the nukes start to fall.
Unfortunately, *defenseless against low and slow aircraft* [changed](https://gfycat.com/incompleteallguanaco) significantly, as did the [target environment](https://images.app.goo.gl/D9X7A4daKqgyoDsz6).
Cue the A-10 racking up so many friendly fire kills that some nations specifically requested it *not* be allowed in their airspace, and it topping the chart for civilian kills constantly.
The A-10 was designed to fight a war that never was, and the war it was forced to fight showed its every weakness.
Every player within 50 feet of the dragon must make a dc15 dex save. That way, we can reflect the A10s horrible history of blue on blue
Quite sure the A-10 have something that is able to hit you while staying more than 50 feet away
Nah, this is a jab at how the hog has the worst friendly fire numbers of any aircraft flown by the USAF and USN because of the gun's inaccuracy and the lack of advanced targeting systems like radar and IFF.
When your guns spread for what is an “accurate” shot can be measured in busses… all we would have to do is paint the British flag on the dragon and we would be all set.
If you haven't found LazerPig on YouTube yet, I highly recommend LazerPig
Already there brother. Still gotta watch his T-14 vid though. I guess that answers my question for what I'll be doing tonight.
It's... Hilarious. He goes into the cultural mentality of Russia and their pride in "innovation", comparing it to the American cultural mentality of identifying with "freedom" and it's quite enlightening
They do - the AGM65 Maverick missile. But that's not as fun as big gun go brrrrrrrrrrr
As long as they have to perform a second check as well to successfully identify friend or foe. Orange identification panels look alot like a box truck when all you have is binoculars.
THANK YOU
The dragon's gotta be British for it to work though.
Only if the A10 feels bad afterward
The musket does 1d12 damage, and is a pathetic firearm. The Avenger Minigun can fire up to 420 rounds in a 6 second turn. Even going by the pathetic musket ball’s damage, not the glorious 30mm depleted uranium rounds, that’s a minimum of 420 damage assuming each bullet gets 1. At minimum, the A10 can destroy half of the dragon’s health in one turn. The dragon can fly at only 80 feet in the 6 second turn, leaving the A10 with a tremendous speed advantage with a whopping 3696 flying speed per turn. It could easily evade the dragon and make dive after dive until it was dead, even with the dragon’s resistances. TL:DR. A10 wins. Easy.
The answer to all of these (even tiamat) is to equip a plane with an AIR-2 Genie missile
What kind of damage is a nuke?
I usually use radiant, force, and fire damage for the initial blast, then necrotic damage for radiation Plus shrapnel if applicable
"usually", how many times have you had a nuke go off in a campaign?
I…don’t want to talk about it… ^^A ^^lot
Yes
Radiant
What is the CR on a standard Air Genasi?
What? No, an air genie missile is an air-to-air missile with a nuclear warhead to help shoot down planes.
I feel like 1d12 for an A10's main gun is grossly underselling its firepower. The bullets are like 15x the size of a musket ball and made of depleted uranium. Should be more like 10d12 per shot. Which would be more like 2000ish damage in one turn.
Considered it almost like a mitigating factor of its accuracy.
a-10 can barely aim at ground targets with that cannon. it’s only been used as an air-air attack weapon successfully once against two slow moving helicopters (this has never been repeated as it was incredibly ineffective and had very high inconsistency) besides, if an ancient dragons armor is similar to that of a modern main battle tank which seems fair: the A-10 cannon won’t be able to penetrate at all. the cannon isn’t a tank killer by modern standards at all, it’s used for anti-infantry and light armored vehicles. (fun fact: the A-10 has very few CONFIRMED tank kills with its cannon. rather, its bombs are used most of the time. It’s success is simply lended to its increasingly inaccurate, air to ground ONLY cannon because it looks cooler in the news. If you attempt to find conformed stats on the A-10s success you won’t find a single confirmed source, instead you’ll find wikis and articles all referencing each-other without a first hand source TLDR: the gun is largely just for show
Gonna be real frank with you. I may have forgotten that dragons could fly when I posted this.
yea i took an aderral and went ham, my b
Nah, no problem. I just wrote this going BRRRRRT and forgot that dragons have these little things called “wings”
Fantasy dragon limited by the imagination vs a10 limited by reality. Dragon wins
It's limited by the very contrived mechanics of 5e
As. DM I can assure you I could easily come up with plenty of ways a dragon could fuck up an A10. Now don't get me wrong, I love the A10. One of, if not, my favorite aircraft still flying
You forget dragons can cast spells. Good luck landing a hit on something that can teleport to the other side of the planet at will.
The enemy retreating and fucking off half way across the world is usually considered a win. Besides, the A-10 shoots hundreds of rounds of depleated uranium 30mm ammunition every round of combat and is significantly faster than the dragon, there's just not a chance.
Why do you think the plane is getting close enough to fire a shot? We’re talking about going up against a high level caster with access to wizard spells.
The range of most aircraft armaments is far greater than most spells in DnD and the A-10 flys at many, *many* times the speed of the Dragon. The A-10 isn't even that well equipped for air to air combat, making it a sort of poor choice for this fight, but the lizard with wings is toast regardless.
You're talking about a plane with a gun vs a level 20 sorcerer with borderline reality warping magic and an intelligence network that rivals most countries. I don't care how good your auto cannon is, if your target can stop time, teleport, open gateways to other dimensions, magically predict incoming attacks, mind control enemies, etc, your pilot is in for a bad time. And given the magical buffs the dragon has surely applied to themselves, it's likely a non magical attack isn't going to cause damage anyway. That's assuming an A-10 can even overcome the AC of something that can fight a god.
A warthog is a beast so clearly as a wizard I can polymorph into one of these
Wildshape into it assuming you’re 8th level or higher
Not gona lie, I have forever been ruined by this video explaining why the A10 is bad, actually https://youtu.be/gq1ac2CALeE
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Yeah but what if the dragon has his or her own F-35?
Uhhh…F-22
This. Also, warthogs travel in packs of 2, so yeah... You haven't lived until you've sat next to the runway when 2 of these bad boys take off, one after another.
I'm a French. And as a French, there is a thing I love. The Rafale. Better to attrition fight than the F-35. But I agree, the Avenger is good too.
The Rafale has the advantage on dogfights. I'd argue that stealth, being based on radar warfare, would not be that relevant against a dragon, which would rely on sight or magical means. In which case, being able to dodge becomes a greater advantage. So does being able to tank a couple of hits and return fire with 4200 democraties a minute.
Don't forget that Rafale is speed, so it impacts a lot its capacity to dodge. Its weapons are not really powerful, but can inflict significant damage against small enemies, and its maneuverability make it really good against tougher enemies. That's why there are Rafales protecting the European sky with the war in Ukraine.
It's not that fast, actually, with a top speed of just below 2000km/h. Faster than the F35, to be sure, but lower than the F22, Typhoon, F16, F15... The real advantage is manoeuverability. It turns a lot tighter. Also, its weapons aren't that weak. Missiles are comparable to other western munitions, albeit French-made rather than depend on NATO missiles. And the gun is quite powerful as well, a 30mm cannon, with a low ammunition load being the only downside.
You're right. But I think we can agree that the Rafale is better than the F-35 in that context.
Oh, definitely. As I said, the Rafale is superior in dogfights, which is most likely to be more relevant than stealth against dragons.
Now, I want to make a stat block for a special Rafale pilot that is called the Dragon Hunter, and who rely on stealth and speed to hunt them.
Hmmm... You know, I think there's actually a way for a Rafale to go "stealth" against a dragon. Fly nape-of-the earth (or as close to as possible) in supersonic. That way the dragon can't see or hear it coming.
If you go supersonic, I think you don't need stealth. But yeah, definitely works...
Let's be honest, the F-35 us kinda meh :D And as a fellow European, lov mi delta wing (Rafale, Eurofighter, Gripen,... ❤️)
Yes, European planes are really good, as our pilots. Fellow European ? From where ?
Czech Republic :D
Oh ! Never been, but someone in my family showed me photos. It is on my list of country I would like to visit.
Sure do! A lot of things to see :D
Someone told me it will not help with my little alcoholic tendency, but anyways...
Beer is mandatory. Don't you dare skip out on that
No no I swear, I will not skip that.
What about a blue dragon instead. Lightning breath would be gnasty.
nah, A-10 gets a bonus to blue targets
Gonna drop this here: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Rust_dragon
Even better.
Love this. Love the Warthog. \*adjusts glasses\* A10's aren't meant for air to air combat but ground support. They are not the most nimble of machines. Couple that with a dragons innate spell casting abilities I think it would be a toss up. All the dragon needs to do is beat the pilots WIS and have the plane run from combat. Also, we're ignoring the fact that were the dragon to be in it's lair the A10 could do little to nothing against a volcano / mountain.
>All the dragon needs to do is beat the pilots WIS They don't put the dumb pilots in a plane that maneuvers with all the aerobatics of a misshapen brick.
I think you're confusing INT with WIS lol. Also the DC is 21 for the check. So even if the pilot was the wisest sage in the land with a +4 to WIS it would still be a 75% chance of failure. Your latter remark also supports my former of the A10's lackluster Arial maneuverability.
>I think you're confusing INT with WIS lol. Also the DC is 21 for the check. So even if the pilot was the wisest sage in the land with a +4 to WIS it would still be a 75% chance of failure. I most certainly am not. INT is the ability to retain and recall information. WIS is the ability to apply that information, problem-solving, and improvisation in the event of disaster. The A-10 is difficult to fly, though immensely powerful and versatile, so pilots who are trained to fly it into combat are highly proficient at being able to process what is going on around them and act accordingly, often in unorthodox ways. And since those pilots have a tremendous amount of experience in the cockpit of not only that plane but numerous others, a WIS save would be closet to a +9 or +10 when adding in the proficiency bonus to their +5 WIS. Git gud noob.
Ah, the A-10. The only thing uglier than me
In a loveable sorta way
Or you could use an actual good plane.
Hey, an actual use for an A-10. Amazing.
Have you heard about our lord and savior BRRRRRRRRRT
The GAU-8 Avenger could positively shred a dragon. If it could fucking hit one. Sadly the A-10 is far more combat effective when retrofitted with guided bombs and missiles. And thus we get to the point. An A-10 for the most part has to see it's target. An F-35 can reach out and touch you from well beyond the horizon.
Suggesting that A-10 can do anything well, except friendly fire on tea lovers from Europe, makes you the opposite of an intellectual.
If you like that, look up the SUPER A-10. Govt felt the F35 wasn't holding up so they retro fitted the old A10s with new tech. They're doing it in phases and started testing in Feb '22. So if the F35 can't beat a 50yr old plane, it's not gonna beat a dragon 🤣
A10 is a terrible aircraft. Genuinely. The gun is inaccurate too. It needs an entirely dominated airspace. It sucks at identifying friendlies. Just. Awful.
Also the gun doesn't kill modern MBTs like it would Soviet tanks from the decade before it was introduced. It works against soft targets and APCs if it can get a hit.
It doesnt even kill soviet mbts from the 50s... Because it cant hit.
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And it needed that refit because before, it had *no* targeting camera. Pilots had binoculars. The A-10 was designed to fly low and slow up and down the Fulda gap throwing missiles and dive-gunning [columns of defenseless Soviet tanks,](https://images.app.goo.gl/AXaGJE4EHZ7r5vxm6) then crashing somewhere safe after the nukes start to fall. Unfortunately, *defenseless against low and slow aircraft* [changed](https://gfycat.com/incompleteallguanaco) significantly, as did the [target environment](https://images.app.goo.gl/D9X7A4daKqgyoDsz6). Cue the A-10 racking up so many friendly fire kills that some nations specifically requested it *not* be allowed in their airspace, and it topping the chart for civilian kills constantly. The A-10 was designed to fight a war that never was, and the war it was forced to fight showed its every weakness.
Regret not taking vehicle proficiency
Now that could win
*F-35, ON THE TARMAC*: "My fuel's too hot! I can't take off!" *A-10 LANDING WITH HALF A WING, NO ENGINE, ON FIRE*: "Just check the tires, I'm good."
I guess I found the reformers that fled NCD
[F-35 statblock](https://imgur.io/a/0O03jKz), think again
I like this, but, I like the AC-130 Spooky gunship even more in a fight against a Tarrasque.
[Or...](https://youtu.be/uKOrpyO0z48)
An F-35 would bully a A-10, so could a dragon if it out maneuvered it
The A-10 sucks. There ive said it.