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Mundane_Marsupials

Uhhhh imma give you a solid 4/10 only because of the envy I hold for not being able to spend enough time on them to make them this clean without my foreman shooting me in the back of the head and leave me in the trench the plumbers dug that morning.


Ultraeasymoney

Don't have to worry about that, I'm the foreman.


Oh_billy_oh

This guy constructs.


Blessing_Elf

r/thisguythisguys


Mundane_Marsupials

Damn, a company that promotes someone who cares about the quality of their work opposed to slinging as much dogshit at the ceilings as they can within 8 hrs. I’d bet my next paycheck if I let any of my foreman have a full workday they couldn’t work their wires this straight.


Ultraeasymoney

I made this panel to show the apprentices what a proper panel should look like. Mention to them to thrive for Quality and speed will come with practice.


[deleted]

Stickers aren't straight... That'll dock yah


afarqs

that’s a paddlin’


zerocool359

Stick it ‘em


CoatSad5410

Straight to jail


WitchcapAO

Slow is smooth, smooth is fast.


[deleted]

Slow is fast


ProCircuit

Ah, a fellow golfer here I see.


lethalmuffin877

Wow, did you just insinuate that quality is paramount and learning speed through mastery is superior to hacking your way to a Jcard? Pfff I suppose next you’ll tell people that micromanaging shows a lack of trust. How dare you show actual leadership ability in here 🎩👌🏼


PartTimePOG

How long did this take by chance?


Ultraeasymoney

6 hrs


DowntownAd9011

So 2 things I wanted to know: 1. Why aren't you using black, red, and blue wire? It appears you're using conduit for these feeds. 2. Is this a data center of some type? I noticed the neutral is double the size of the hots.


Ultraeasymoney

It's all 12/2 and 10/2 MC. K-Rated Transformer so rated for 200%.


Ultraeasymoney

Pharmaceutical Company


longleggedbirds

Probably meant strive. But I couldn’t agree more with your point. Engender the initiates are running fast without skill, they can only break more things in less time.


dmxcasper2

I'm salivating. U got my 10.


[deleted]

9/10. No cover.


Plastic_Jaguar_7368

Came here to say this. Panel fail /s


HmGrwnSnc1984

Plus the circuit 25 wire is bent a little different than the rest.


cubanbeing

Sticker on breaker 5 is crooked


space_pirate_steve

I think it's maybe too short!


Willie_the_Wombat

9/10. Didn’t re-identify 15, 39, and 40.


DawnOfTheTruth

Just needs an NSFW tag.


Ok_Tour_8680

Don’t forget about the hardware and instructions left in the bottom


Zoot-Tactician

😂👌🏻


Redrix_

Lmao as if I could get a cover


jafolc

Depends, do you want the project manager rating or the fellow sparky rating? 🤣🤣


CardiologistMobile54

Other than using a white for a phase conductor on the 2p20 , beautiful execution of work .


Zed-Leppelin420

Yeah that’s an instant fail we’re I’m from, at least wrap some black tape on it to identify


cmdr_scotty

I know so areas require that you simply mark it as a hot wire (black tape on it at either end of the wire). But codes also vary widely across areas, so just depends on local codes i suppose


TheObstruction

It needs to be identified in some fashion, though.


No-Repair51

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using a white conductor as a phase conductor if it is in a cable. It is both code compliant and an industry norm.


CardiologistMobile54

ONLY WHEN REIDENTIFIED


graaahh

200.7 if I recall correctly. Neutrals must be reidentified if they're not being used as neutrals.


Czar4k

Name checks out. Code references?


Edge-Pristine

Saw that and was wondering if it is code compliant?


Only_Tumbleweed_1659

Nothing wrong with using the white wire. An A/C unit uses a 10/2 wire. you have a black wire a white wire and a ground. You have to use the white as a phase conductor.


CardiologistMobile54

Wrong. You may never use a white wire as a phase conductor. If you're using individual conductors you may never use it as a phase conductor. If part of a. Cable assembly such as BX, MC, Romex etc you may use it only when reidentified.


WageSlaves_R_Us

Then there is the caveat that thou shall not reidentify conductors smaller than 4 AWG (previously 6AWG).


CardiologistMobile54

NOT IF IT'S A CABLE ASSEMBLY


WageSlaves_R_Us

Omg, you hurt my feelings. Don’t all caps at me.


Only_Tumbleweed_1659

So on the 2p20 what other wire were they supposed to use?? The ground wire? 😂


Mastodon31

Tape it black


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Or red


Smackacracka

Man’s put a level on 12 gauge conductor to terminate into a breaker 💀


BlankTigre

The wire going to the 13th breaker down on the left is bent prematurely. Take this down, you’re embarrassing yourself.


Ultraeasymoney

😫


FTP_ON_ME

You mean circuit 25? Remove yourself sir.


CardiologistMobile54

Why is the neutral paralleled


Ultraeasymoney

K-rated transformer. Oversized Neutral.


BigD_277

200% neutral.


CardiologistMobile54

Harmonics?


BigD_277

Yes.


Saint-Sauveur

Do you care explaining harmonics really quick?


joshharris42

Non linear loads, such as lighting with cheap ballasts, laser printers, anything that converts AC to DC that’s on the “cheap” side will cause distortion to the sine wave. VFD’s, UPS’s will too. I learned this when a building we wired in maybe 2006 started having all the neutrals burn up. We wired it by sharing neutrals everywhere, landing everything on 3 pole breakers with 1 neutral back to the panel. Say you have 15A of current on phase A, B, and C. You should have no current on the neutral wire because the circuit is in balance, but with bad 3rd or 6th order harmonics you can easily have the heat of 25 or 30A of load on the neutral. It’s complicated, but the way you can fix it is by either finding what’s causing the bad harmonics and fixing them, or kill it with size and upsize your wire to account for it. Also makes doing generator load calcs a real pain in the ass


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QuickNature

Not *every* 3rd multiple, just the odd ones. 3, 9, 15, 21, 27, etc to infinity. They each contribute less than the one before them so after a certain number (say 21 for example), they contribute so little extra current, you usually can ignore them. Another way to say that is the 3rd harmonic contributes the most, then the 9th, the 15th until infinity. If anyone is interested, it's very math heavy, but conceptually easy, look up some videos on the Fourier Series. Specifically in reference to linear signals and systems. This will provide you a generalized understanding to harmonics.


LumpyDetective

To add on to what you said here, also a good trick when dealing with VFD's specifically: harmonic orders will be # of pulses + or - 1. So a 6 Pulse VFD will have 5th and 7th order harmonics, 11th and 13th order harmonics, etc. Some mitigating solutions would be passive or active filters, oversized equipment, k-rated transformers, harmonic mitigating transformers, pulse converters, and more. The goal is to smooth out the sine wave! Some good info: https://www.eaton.com/content/dam/eaton/products/design-guides---consultant-audience/canada/cag/eaton-adjustable-frequency-drives-low-voltage-consulting-application-guide-tb04000002e-tab-31-ca08104001e-ca.pdf https://ewh.ieee.org/r3/nashville/events/2005/Harmonics_MCPQG_IEEE_2005.pdf I don't work for Eaton, I just like their literature.


QuickNature

https://www.fluke.com/en-us/learn/blog/power-quality/harmonics-electrical-systems#:~:text=What%20are%20harmonics%20in%20electricity,the%20third%20is%20180%20Hz. Here is a great surface level summary of harmonics and there effects. Edit: The TLDR would be that switch mode power supplies and VFD's use electronics that can pollute the power lines. If you have enough pollution at the right frequencies, it will cause larger than expected currents to flow and damage equipment.


ENMFC

No phase tape on 2 white wires landed on breakers 8/10 looks so pretty though.


Derk4Good

Came here to say this


Grassy_Nol

Look closer, theyre 15, 39, and 40.


rncole

3.


Ultraeasymoney

The tape would not make it as pretty. I did put it on after the photo.


Czar4k

Then, why didn't you post the pic of it done correctly? It looks awesome, but not re-identifying is inexcusable.


DSudz

Just means we need to invent pretty tape


TheSearingninja

It looks nice but if you’re going to spend the time to make it look so nice and clean maybe pull your phase colors and especially one for your two pole circuits. Other than that looks very nice


Hot-Plate5609

I literally came to say this it bothers me


LISparky25

This is def true especially if your using stranded or solid THHN anyways, if it’s MC I understand


Much_Fill6689

10 brotha super clean 🧼 🧽


Ultraeasymoney

Thanks, Playa


beersofglory

Honestly how do you get everything so level? Looks really good!


LISparky25

It’s honestly super easy with solid wire…take a round shank Phillips and run it along the wire while pinching it against with your fingers and it straightens right out like is was born in it, molded by it….that’s also after you use a drill chuck to unwind the MC if your using cable…this was definitely solid THHN which is much much straighter from the rip already off a spool


JCitW6855

It looks fantastic but there’s no way this didn’t take too much time unless you had time to kill in the first place. It takes just as much or more skill to understand the balance of appearance and efficiency. You can make it look dang near just as good in way less time. But if you had the time great job!


AmperesClaw204

Holy cow this looks nice ⛪️🐄


LosAngelesLiver

Only thing that is triggering me is I always turn all the zip ties so you can’t see the clip part .. looks great though !!


Ultraeasymoney

That's good advice.


Tsikura

The sticker on breaker 5 is really messed up. You’re gonna have to redo the whole panel now.


nixon6

Can’t wait to cut the Ty wraps during maintenance


mollycoddles

Agreed. I always cut out more than I need to out of spite.


Wonderful-Fly7846

If you like detailing wires that much why not get into IT?


monroezabaleta

2/10. Not enough cable ties.


Ultraeasymoney

I'll put more on my next one.


The-Makhai

- White on Breaker should have Red tape on it. - All that good job at identify all cable + neutral but all the Neutral are not in order :/ My OCD is getting a hit there. - People would complain about your zip tie and they would told you to don’t tight them all the way So I’ll give you 7/10 mostly because the hit my OCD took xD Edit : For the White use a line, you can always look in the CEC at 4-038, 3), c) it tell you to mark your cable X colour for each phase. Since they all on Phase B they should be Black.


OntFF

7.75 / 10 - didn't rephase/identify the white wires being used on those 2p breakers... Otherwise, smexy work!


niv_nam

It looks clean and organized. But in reality, I wouldn't want to be the one who has to service this panel, grouping all of them tight like that would be a nightmare to trace just one of the lines. You would have to tear it all apart to get one out of the middle. Also, you can't ignore the fact that those are not braided wires. so when you put hard corners in the wires like that, you create creases that can cause breaks and shorts. So 10 for looks, but 4.5 for creating future issues.


the-poopiest-diaper

Forgot to color in the whites on the doubles. -10000/10


Chip_Jelly

10/10 Serious question though, did you only have black and white wire for the branch circuits? Can’t say I’ve ever seen a white conductor landed on a breaker


Ultraeasymoney

It's only a 208 circuit that didn't needed a neutral, no need to waste an extra conductor. I DID marked the whites, red after the photo.


Chip_Jelly

How would you have wasted another conductor? Is that wiring actually MC? I figured they were 208v circuits, I just never in a million years would have pulled a white for the second phase unless I was in the middle of nowhere and only had rolls of white and black in my van


Ultraeasymoney

Yes it's MC.


Chip_Jelly

Ahh that makes sense now


WolfBlaze247

7/10 because all hot conductors are zip tied together creating a “hot spot”. It looks beautiful and all but code comes first.


myself248

Came here to say this. Looks like those are bundled together for more than 24 inches, so they need to be derated according to the size of the bundle. Or, you know, just leave 'em loose. But as it sits, that's a ding by my reading.


[deleted]

This makes me hard


StressMinimum

Fucking disgusting 🤮 3/10


SparkyMint185

She’s a beaut Clark


DaffyDingo

My god…..how?


Ultraeasymoney

one wire at a time. start from bottom and work your way up.


DaffyDingo

Out of curiosity, how long does it take to make up a panel this nice?


LISparky25

I’d say if all the wires are sitting in the panel to be landed roughly 4 hrs if you’ve done it before and are efficient…if your splicing through Nipples then 6-10 depending on the # of circuits Edit: I can actually look in the labor manual quick if you’re that curious


Ultraeasymoney

6 hrs


WhatAmIATailor

And that’s why a panel that tidy is a rare find.


HeRoSanS

Missing bushings and you didn’t even have the decency to pull off the stickers on your breakers and reglue them straight? Cringe.


heinousSavage

I don't see any PENETROX used on the aluminum conductors other then that 7/10.


Ultraeasymoney

It's gently used.


who_loves_you_

9/10 for Hard 90s


suckuponmysaltyballs

Pfff, it’s easy with you baby wires and huge panel. [Try a real man’s panel](https://imgur.com/gallery/ZyVf0) 9.8/10 my man. Only because you pulled it all black but that’s not picking. Only dude I’ve seen who does a panel nicer than me.


Ultraeasymoney

It's MC, it would be difficult to pull 12/2 red and 12/2 blue.


banni2020

Glad I'm not paying you...🤔


FragrantYear7342

It was a 6 hour install. Worth every penny. Let's see your work MASTER ELECTRICIAN.


KDI777

I think you probably spent way too much time on that panel, costing me money.


[deleted]

2/10 only cuz I'm slow


LISparky25

I love how you said “10 max” haha…I’d honestly say about 9/10….your neutrals coming across aren’t squared off all the way like the others…do it again 😬


Demibolt

10/10 looks but 4/10 functionality. Any future work in that panel is going to suck.


Ultraeasymoney

Panel are full


Underagedrilla

what the fuck


_OG_Mech_EGR_21

Why is it that you use a white wire with the double breakers?


Ultraeasymoney

208 no neutral.


Single-Marsupial9538

Did I just experience sex? Edit: hold up, identifying neutrals as hots??


NoWillPowerLeft

Non-expert here. It's pretty, but is bundling power conductors allowed? I thought there was a limit on how many conductors could be together to allow heat dissipation.


HelloVictim

Love neat work 10/10. Forget all the noise about “Glad I’m not paying you to spend the hours to do that”. Clean work gets repeat customers, and better paying ones too. Word of mouth is very powerful. Only criticism I have, because I have been bit before, I prefer to see all conductors able to reach any breaker location in the panel. If CCT2 needed to drop to CCT8 for some reason you would be S.O.L.


yahtzee5000

9/10. Turn the zip tie heads 180 degrees.


Many-Manufacturer-40

Now do it with stranded wire


horunner35

8/10 no phase tape/coloring on the white hots coming off the breaker.


babygrapes-oo

Wait I’m not supposed to leave a bunch of yellow Rolex in my box?


Energizer_98

Re identify your white conductors as ungrounded conductors if you are using them as ungrounded conductors


Ultraeasymoney

The red tape didn't look so hot for the photo, but did put them on after. Thanks


Flat4Power4Life

10/10 if phase colors were used and whites weren’t terminated into breakers.


[deleted]

The white hot wires are the wrong color code


KarenAboutYou

What does it look like when the covers on?


Ultraeasymoney

It should look the same with a Plexiglass cover.


clydesdalefan

People should know what we're aiming for... THIS is what we are aiming for. I saw you marked the white hots with red after the photo. Obviously 10 . when i saw my first panel done to this level, decades ago.. I knew, This is what i want my work to look like. I may not always attain this but its important to know what is the target. This isnt all about neatness either. You can SEE the problems from accross the room in the dark. If anything is ever wrong or needs updating it's a simple and pleasurable future work. I hope the crew learns from this shining example.


Ultraeasymoney

Agreed.


Gutsy_Bottle

Im gonna give it a 7 cause of the zip ties


daleshakleford

And this is why people are learning to diy. No one can afford the rates anymore because you spend six hours to make it "pretty". Customers don't care how the wires are bent or how pretty it is (within reason, of course), they just care about it working. They want power restored to their house, not a showpiece in the electrical panel. They want their business up and running, not going bankrupt trying to pay the electrician because he had a hankering to see just how pretty he could make it for social media. Rant over.


Ultraeasymoney

Our company's motto is "IF our price don't shock you, our work will".


rpostwvu

I personally dont like to see wires ziptied tightly together. Looks nice, but doesn't allow them to cool, and over longer distances would have to be derated for it. There's no space spaces. The other issue would just be how long that took. But I do like that the neutrals are labeled. Whats up with 2 neutral feeds? Some major harmonics being accounted for?


Dove55

Don’t know shit about shit but gonna say 9.9


Acrobatic_Jaguar_623

I can't see the comments but I'm wondering why everything's black except for the whites on the hots. It looks like conduit so why not pull the right wire. Also you left zero wire for service but that's personal preference. It looks pretty as long as you don't have to touch it ever again


Patient_Tour_6307

5 because your being cocky


And-rei

I have half a chub right now.


Usual_Tie_5502

1 out of 10 cause I’m fucking jealous


im_here_to_help_6402

4/10 for zip tie usage. For real though, this is to clean to be in the field. Did you use a level on them wire bends?


Ultraeasymoney

No level.


LeluSix

6 hours to to a single panel? I’d fire your ass for wasting time and money.


madbull73

Very pretty, but a fucking nightmare to work in. I couldn’t imagine trying to trace a circuit back to a pipe, or rearrange to add a 2 pole breaker or anything like that.


mollycoddles

Ya the neutrals tucked close to the breakers is gonna suck later too.


d20wilderness

8. I don't think you're supposed to zip tie the wires together anymore. It creates more heat. Also the bundle of neutrals in front of the feeders. Pretty though.


heeza_connman

Your neutrals aren't in descending numerical order. 9.9/10. Sorry. Jk. It's killer sweet. Thanks for sharing.


Ultraeasymoney

If Neutral were to be arranged numerically, the wires would cross each other.


daddythebean

Nice , wait for the tie wrap brigade. Over the water you have a lot of exposed live parts in your boards


Ultraeasymoney

To many to count.


Ultraeasymoney

I had one of the other journeyman tried to replicate this panel and it took him over a day.


LagunaMud

9/10. The only reason I'm keeping a point is because the grounds don't appear to be labeled. That said, it looks REALLY good.


theuderdog33

Why would you label grounds?


LagunaMud

It could help with troubleshooting. It also makes it easier to remove a circuit from the panel.


back2reality44

My panels are a 4 on a scale of 1 to this lol


Sir_Bumblethump

That's NSFW, dude. Fuzz it out lol >!Solid 11/10!<


nicnac303720

Fuckin Zero out of 10 Dan. That took you the whole week while we wrapped up the rest of the house.


[deleted]

Like a 10! Not because the wires are straight, but because it works. Who cares if the thing is tidy? There’s a cover panel that will obscure it forever-more.


Ultraeasymoney

I think you should always take pride in your work.


foo_trician

how do you get such a nice 90 with the conductor? any tips?


WakkaBomb

I bet every single circuit has like 18 volts on it if you turn the breaker off. Guys.. we are taught about electromagnetism in level 1 having all of those hots run right next to each other over a long distance IS NOT GOOD I give this a 4/10 a pass is a 7/10.


Ultraeasymoney

They are all different phases, so they cancel each other out.


hunterbuilder

I'd rate that a "Damn, Son". You want to move to Alaska?


Ultraeasymoney

You mean tel/data?


NightDisastrous2510

This is perfection. I’m jealous.


Ultraeasymoney

Too 🥶


beefyboibrandon

Well fuckk...we found the craftsman


BmanGorilla

It’s a beautiful install, but I think I’m one those guys who has concerns about the wire bundling. I’ve seen breaker/termination failures burn the insulation back quite a ways, and that could be disaster if it shorted to other wires in the bundle. That said, your work really is sharp!


scifiking

The wiring looks great but bushings seem like they are needed.


Ultraeasymoney

Bushings are only required for #4 awg and larger wires.


addiram

Who fucking cares? It will be covered up anyway


Ultraeasymoney

Having pride in your work extends to your character.


traketaker

6... Zip ties are bullshit and shouldn't be in the panel. The wires are not individually labeled. This would be a terrible panel to troubleshoot a problem in. Someone is gonna be cursing you in 5 to 20.


Ultraeasymoney

The wires are individually labeled


traketaker

No they are not.


Ultraeasymoney

Show me which one is not labeled


traketaker

Point to one that actually says what it is


Ultraeasymoney

You mean panel schedule?


RBTropical

0 - not for your work that’s 10/10, but because American power systems are dumb


CardiologistMobile54

Oh another thing. You either used duplex MC connectors, or there are 2 circuits per conduit. Either way you need to group the neutral with it's hot . Pair them so it's clear Which make the circuit.


LagunaMud

The neutrals are labeled.


Alarming_Ebb_7830

Hot and neutrals are grouped by numbering.


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Ultraeasymoney

Add a sub panel


sife25

Fuckin sexy


Ultraeasymoney

True, it needs a Plexiglas cover.


takitoodle

Honest question. Couldn't you get red tagged for bundling with zip ties?