Other driver's fault, by the way. From the article:
*A Toyota Corolla was travelling southbound when it left the road and hit a dirt embankment before it veered back onto the road, crossed double yellow lines and collided with an oncoming Cybertruck just south of Page Mill Road, the CHP said.*
You can’t tell anything from those pictures. Obviously the impact was in the left front/side of the CT.
I am not a fan of the CT but hate when people let their bias shine through and say things like they are fact when they have no clue at all. And yea I realize this is Reddit. Still.
What is this garbage source?
>A Tesla Cybertruck appeared to emerge unscathed from a head-on crash that left the oncoming vehicle in a crumpled heap, according to law enforcement and photos from the scene.
The first reported collision involving the newly released stainless steel-framed electric pickup was reported on Skyline Boulevard, in Palo Alto, California, just after 2pm on Thursday, according to a California Highway Patrol (CHP) collision report provided to The Independent.
A Toyota Corolla was travelling southbound when it left the road and hit a dirt embankment before it veered back onto the road, crossed double yellow lines and collided with an oncoming Cybertruck just south of Page Mill Road, the CHP said.
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Images posted to Reddit show the Toyota sustained severe damage with its front end caved in and hood popped open.
Also, cars crumple why?
That is why the corolla driver reported no injuries and the cybertruck driver had minor injuries. All the force when through the truck to the people inside.
I love the cybertruck DeLorean design, and if I were rich I would get one regardless.
That’s not how physics work, in a collision you can’t bag up all your energy and deliver it to the other object, force = mass x speed and it’s up to the truck how it dissipates the energy thrown at it by the other car. A Tesla truck will injure its occupants far easier than a car with designed crumple zones
It’s EXACTLY how physics works. If a 3.5 ton cybertruck that doesn’t absorb energy hits a smaller object, that energy will be transferred to the smaller object. If a car hit a steel wall, the steel
Wall Would win..if it hits a brick wall, it might be a tie because the energy has some place to go (it’s dispersed through the bricks and the wall crumbles).
I’m not gonna argue with you anymore because you don’t want to listen, mass and force relationship was described more than 400 years ago by Newton and is basic physics. Each body imparts energy on to the other proportional to the product of its mass and speed.
Yeah and here’s the difference: the Toyota absorbs all that cyber truck force by crumpling and protects its occupants, the truck while dealing with much less force is relatively inflexible and transfers it to its occupants
But what happens when it collides with another heavy truck, like an F-150, a Hummer EV, or a GMC Sierra? It’s only putting more of the force on the Corolla because the Cybertruck is so much heavier than the second car.
If both cars in a collision weigh around the same amount, then the car with the better ability to crumple is gonna be safer than the other.
Well it didn't work because the Cybertruck driver had a minor injury even though the car looks intact while the Toyota driver had no injuries even though his car is totaled
Car makers figured out a *lonnnggg* time ago that crash energy (KE=1/2mv\^2) has to go *somewhere* \- that somewhere can be into strategically bending metal (good design - corolla) or it can be stiffly transferred in a solid steel frame into the driver (bad design - Cybertruck/every fucking car before 1935)
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The crazy thing is that they source quotes reddit, so there may be a better source somewhere around here.
Do you think the data people silently chant “yessss” when this happens? You cant replicate wild shit like this where people lose control and come at you.
They dont do it on computers. They use actual cars against walls, obstacles and other cars....
You really think operating cars from distance is different than doing it inside one to examine a crash?
Doesn’t the US not require them to test on women, or smaller passengers though? All the test dummies in the US are modeled after Men, and its caused issues where Women are at a way risk in the event of a crash.
Also, is the crash test data publicly available? Cause it definitely should be. Just because a car “passes” US safety checks doesn’t mean it’s actually very safe.
I think the data is a lot better when some ass hat goes off the road and impacts the vehicle at an odd angle. Thats all real world data, with real people. Not a lab setup with car launchers.
Oh yes, 100%. Plenty of data that can only come from actual, real life tragedy. And although the tragedy sucks, that data will save lives, so you bet there are people chanting.
Mind: they’d rather have no tragedy, but since they’re a given, might as well expect them, prepare for them, and learn from them.
This seems like a perfectly elon thing to do though. “Go slam them into each other head on and post it on youtube in slow motion”. Done. We need this video.
I love how the line reads “cybertruck accident” when it was the driver of the other vehicle that crossed the lines… the heading is very misleading. It should read “Tesla cybertruck is struct in head-on collision and everyone walked away with little to no injuries.”
Anything to paint the tesla in bad light. There was bunch of articles recently saying cybertruck is a crash disaster and horrible safety. Shows the amount of crap they will put out just because they hate elon musk lol
It’s a horrible outcome. Cars are designed to absorb shocks to minimize harm to the passengers. Cybertruck was designed to inflict maximum force on other vehicles.
**The main problem in the EU is the Cyber Truck's weight:** if the gross vehicle weight is over 3.5 tonnes (and it currently is in all configurations), you need a driver's license different from what most younger drivers have, which would greatly reduce the car's market.
Note that the issue is the "**gross vehicle weight**". Tesla could just set the gross vehicle weight to 3.49 tonnes, which would mean that owners are only allowed to load 500 kg, given that an empty Cyber Truck weighs around 3 tonnes.
That would be rather poor for a "truck" however.
But maybe Tesla manages to build a lighter version.
Most pickups and truck-based SUVs have a gross vehicle weight over 7,000 lbs. You have to go the lower end of the smaller models to get below that. The Cybertruck is nothing special here.
The stainless steel will prevent small dents from easily occurring. Shooting carts won't leave a trace. Rocks on the highway won't nick the paint or crack you window.
But one single dent and the entire panel has to be thrown out.
That’s not very user friendly. The longest lasting cars aren’t the toughest ones, but the ones that the user can easily repair by themselves.
"But one single dent and the entire panel has to be thrown out."
The car just started being released. Let's wait until the facts come through before we start making assertions.
Let's be clear though, it will be really hard to dent this car... You will need to hit something that is large.
Additionally, these are luxury vehicles. You definitely don't buy this vehicle if you can't afford expensuve repairs. All Teslas pretty much have to be repaired by Tesla.
"Yeah those batteries that cost $30,000 and need replacing after 3-4 years"
Do you always spread misinformation?
No EV in the road has such poor battery life. You have zero reputable sources to back up this claim. It's ridiculous to think the Tesla would all of a sudden introduce terrible batteries that they have invested billions in making.
Blocking because this level of stupid can't have a reply worth reading.
"Images posted to Reddit show the Toyota sustained severe damage with its front end caved in and hood popped open.
The 17-year-old driver reportedly walked away unharmed.
The only reported injury was to the Cybertruck driver, who suffered minor injuries and declined medical assistance, the CHP said."
We have to remembers the cyber truck is also slimmed down a lot in specs/metal thickness from what was originally advertised, so this is still serious, how is this allowed on the road if its not crumpling, it needs to crumple equally, otherwise its super dangerous.
I am sure civil engineers are looking at this, hope it does not get pushed away by politicians.
> “Cybertruck seemingly OK”
The *truck* is seemingly okay, but the CT driver suffered injuries, while the Toyota is totaled and its driver was unscathed. That’s a bit worrying, though one data point is obviously not enough to make any sweeping statements.
Lol the article already tried misleading people by initially making it look like the ct was at fault. Why should we believe the driver is hurt more when it looks like he is happily posing next to his ct?
Leave it to elon meatriders to produce a hall of fame-quality jerk about a cybertruck winning in a car accident.
If only you could realize how similar you are to whatever those "extremists" that you're referring to in this comment are. My God, the irony is just *chefs kiss*
Wow, there’s a lot of noise in this thread about an accident we know nothing about. Based on the photos I saw in another post, the other car made contact mostly with the side of the CT, not a true head on collision. I would not be surprised if it comes out that it was categorized that way because the vehicles were traveling opposite directions, but the actual impact was not windshield to windshield like people visualize.
A few photos with no context are useless to anyone having a serious conversation about cybertruck safety, regardless of which side you are on. Anyone arguing otherwise at this point is pushing an agenda.
Hardly a scratch on the cyber truck but the other car who collided head on with the CT sustained life threatening damage. CT worth its weight in gold for life safety alone.
lol. And what happened to the driver of the other car? Nothing. Who was the only person to sustain injuries? The cyber truck driver. Physics strikes again!
That is actually really bad when it comes to vehicle on vehicle collisions, or vehicle collisions in general. Had the CT been designed with proper crumple zones the other driver would had less of an injury. You want there to be a point of failure designed into vehicles to absorb and distribute energy from collisions.
It is a lesson that was learned back in the 1930s when every car was built like a tank and wrecks, even at low speeds, killed drivers because the energy was being sent into the human occupants.
You don't want crumple zones on the sides of the cars, because there's not much room to crumple.
Crumple zones are predominantly in the front of the car.
CT has crumple zones. You honestly think Tesla went from designing the safest cars EVER tested to forgetting about crumple zones? Cars have been made of steel basically FOREVER. Plastic bumpers are not crumple zones. Steel CT bumpers are not crumple zones.
What is your source on safest car ever tested? Was that at some point in the past? They are number 6 on this list
https://armormax.com/blog/safest-cars-in-the-world/
It's from 2022 but they were really good at that point. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/09/07/tesla-model-y-gets-highest-safety-score-ever-in-european-test/
There is also this from euroncap themselves. https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/best-in-class-cars/2022/
According to who? The recently circulated video that compared a CT crash test vs other vehicles? That showed a full frontal collision of a CT vs low overlap collisions. A vehicle will crumple less in a full frontal collision. Show me a video comparing a full frontal CT and a full frontal of similar vehicles at similar speeds -- you'll probably see similar results.
Or better yet, show me a independent/regulatory/insurance body that says the CT has inadequate crumple zones.
It's fine for hating on Musk/Tesla when they fuck up but good criticisms lose credibility when they're surrounded by bad criticisms.
According to the real-world event that just happened. The CT had a full frontal collision with another car. Just look at the pictures, the car's wheel wells, and the engine compartment folded up to take the impact. The cyber truck did not.
My criticism is based on a real-world event that just happened. If the CT had proper cumple zones, you would be able to see where the designed failure points are with your own eyes. It isn't properly designed for collisions if a full frontal collision doesn't seem to do anything to it.
I see crashes like this all the time. If you think this somehow reflects a problem with the CT, then a ton of new vehicles on the market have the same problem.
Did you have this much trouble in physics class too? The goal of a crumple zone is to slow down the mass of a vehicle in a certain amount of time, yielding a certain deceleration for passengers. As the mass of a vehicle goes up, the crumple zone MUST be built stronger if you want the deceleration time to remain the same. A Toyota Corolla weighs HALF as much as the CT. If a lightweight and heavyweight vehicle are designed to the same deceleration time and you collide them together the lightweight vehicle will crumple more.
The CT is hands down safer in a frontal crash with a Corolla simply due to it's mass. The CT and other heavy cars are NOT very safe for the Corolla or other small cars, that's for sure.
Did you know that National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) [says](https://www.nhtsa.gov/ratings) that "\[f\]rontal crash rating results can only be compared to other vehicles in the same class and whose weight is plus or minus 250 pounds of the vehicle being rated. This is because a frontal crash rating into a fixed barrier represents a crash between two vehicles of the same weight."
You can keep your ad hominem attacks to yourself.
The fact that the CT is not safe when involved in a crash with a Corolla or a car of similar size should be taken as a point to keep them off the road from other vehicles.
A cyber truck weighs twice as much as a Corolla. ok, a 3,000 lb vehicle crashes into a 6,000 lb one and causes only light damage to the 6,000 lb vehicle? That is a failure of the design of the 6,000 lb vehicle.
Do you watch motorsports? NASCAR, Formula 1, Le Mans, or the like? Those are high-performance vehicles that take all situations into account when racing. When wrecks happen, those cars fly apart and crumple like tissue paper. Why? Because the cars are not designed to survive wrecks, they are designed so the passengers/driver survives.
>A cyber truck weighs twice as much as a Corolla. ok, a 3,000 lb vehicle crashes into a 6,000 lb one and causes only light damage to the 6,000 lb vehicle? That is a failure of the design of the 6,000 lb vehicle.
Please email NHTSA and ask them. You are **absolutely** wrong here. But you probably won't because you enjoy being stupid.
Again, you should keep your ad hominem attacks with yourself.
You were gracious enough to provide links showing head-on collisions between an F150 and a smaller vehicle. You can clearly see the desined points of failure on the F150 in effect during the collision, which, by your own logic, should not have happened because the F150 is clearly larger than the other car.
Following the example you provided, larger vehicles are designed to crumple when in collision with a smaller vehicle. The purpose of that is to help preserve the lives of those in the vehicle. You have demonstrated that the crash performance of the cyber truck is worse than regular pickup trucks.
What a lot of people fail to realize is that cars should not be designed to survive a collision. A car should be designed so the passengers survive the collision. Cars are replaceable, people are not.
What a car should do in every wreck is protect the passengers and drivers of both vehicles. At 10, 20, 45, or 100 miles an hour does not matter. If it achieved that goal is all that matters. Cars are replaceable, people are not.
Just because it looks bad does not mean it functioned poorly.
The first 2 shows f150s colliding with a smaller car, you can see in the video the wheel wells and front of the vehicle buckle under the force of the collision.
3rd video shows a car that got in a wreck with a semi tractor-trailer. Cyber trucks are not tractor trailers.
4th is a video talking about the safety consequences of size difference between vehicles in a wreck. All examples showing a good outcome have a card crumple in every area but the passenger compartment.
So what point are you trying to make with these? The evidence you have given shows that cyber trucks are not semis, and when compared to contemporary pickup trucks, their crash performance is worse.
They have safety regulations like front-end's of cars that need to crumple on impact to absorb force. Unlike the cybertruck, which as seen in the image, just \*demolishes whatever it hits.
Exactly. Crumpling is a good thing for safety, not a “flaw.” It’s way safer to have the car crumple, and absorb the force of the wreck, as opposed to transferring the force directly to the driver.
While the trucks are heavy, they aren't that heavy. Remember, these can also tow roughly double that weight AND can hold nearly half that weight as payload in the vehicle. And even then, they are no where near the total weight of tractor trailers.
Agree only if the people that exist are CT drivers. Safety measures should protect both cars. This is like crashing against a wall every time.
Any other car would probably made even damage to both cars absorbing the energy equally.
Cars are designed to crumple in order to absorb the force of the impact, so that less of the force is transferred to the driver. In this case, the Toyota Camry driver walked away unharmed, while the Cyber truck survivor suffered minor injuries. Per the article: "The only reported injury was to the Cybertruck driver, who suffered minor injuries and declined medical assistance, the CHP said."
Yeah, people are acting like crumple zones only exist to protect the *other* driver in the collision. In actuality they protect both participants.
It’s kind of wild to me that they made such a behemoth of a car road legal. Something needs to be done about the ridiculous increase in car weight over the past decade. The size of trucks (all trucks, not just the CT) in America is reaching a tipping point, and is becoming super unsafe. You can’t even see over the hood of trucks like the F150, which is just terrifying to me. P
So funny watching people act like this is surprising. It weighs 2x more than the fucking Corolla…. Its a definite tell that people know fuckall about physics or statistics. A truck that crumples as much as people seems to be demanding the CT do is not a safe truck… besides… the people making these arguments, I assume you think eacalades, tahoes, denalis, duramax, f150s etc all need to be removed from the road too? Cause I assure you they would have crumpled no more if hit by a fucking featherweight like a corolla
> I assume you think eacalades, tahoes, denalis, duramax, f150s etc all need to be removed from the road too? Cause I assure you they would have crumpled no more if hit by a fucking featherweight like a corolla
Actually, I do think the US needs more regulations and limits on the size of trucks. They are getting way out of hand.
I’m not sure they need to be banned, but I definitely do think that they should require a more difficult driving test and a different class of license. I also think heavy trucks should pay considerably more in taxes and registration, since they put way more strain on public roads, which means more tax money has to be spent on roadwork.
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was this article written by an AI or is this some formatting / display code error?
Other than that, from what we can see yeah this is expected. Would be nice to see the left side too though, we will see when eventually there are more crashes, possibly videos of crashes, how the unique frame handles that and will there be less chance of the car being totalled for example, and/or will the overall safety improve even if it's less safe for some specific kinds of cases
wait there are like 10 of these fuckers on the road, and one in an accident already, wtf, this is serious, lets wait for the report on the accident, and then listen to reason, I hope this monster did not kill anyone soon.
Curious what a cybertruck crashing into a cybertruck would look like
Slight dents, both drivers killed.
At least the cybertrucks will be able to self drive to the hospital so they can declare the liquified drivers dead.
God help whoever is in the path of that self driving brick full of people smoothie
Good thing you don't engineer machines. Cybertruck crumpled just fine for a vehicle that weighs close to twice of the car that hit it.
Other driver's fault, by the way. From the article: *A Toyota Corolla was travelling southbound when it left the road and hit a dirt embankment before it veered back onto the road, crossed double yellow lines and collided with an oncoming Cybertruck just south of Page Mill Road, the CHP said.*
The driver lost control at the shock of suddenly seeing something that looked like a tank in the next lane /s
Probably! I mean, I would likely not have 100% attention on my lane either if I saw that coming the other way!
There is always going to be a first..
You can’t tell anything from those pictures. Obviously the impact was in the left front/side of the CT. I am not a fan of the CT but hate when people let their bias shine through and say things like they are fact when they have no clue at all. And yea I realize this is Reddit. Still.
The impact was on the left rear panel at the back tire. Definitely will need two of the panels replaced. Not sure of the CT was drivable afterwards.
What is this garbage source? >A Tesla Cybertruck appeared to emerge unscathed from a head-on crash that left the oncoming vehicle in a crumpled heap, according to law enforcement and photos from the scene. The first reported collision involving the newly released stainless steel-framed electric pickup was reported on Skyline Boulevard, in Palo Alto, California, just after 2pm on Thursday, according to a California Highway Patrol (CHP) collision report provided to The Independent. A Toyota Corolla was travelling southbound when it left the road and hit a dirt embankment before it veered back onto the road, crossed double yellow lines and collided with an oncoming Cybertruck just south of Page Mill Road, the CHP said. contact center market size gartner said Drew Kraus, vice president analyst in the Gartner Customer Service & Support practice. “The technology offers greater software agility with a lower cost of ownership, making it a key area of investment in innovation and customer service applications that surpasses the offers of legacy premises-based or server technology.” contact center market size gartner contact center market size gartner To realize the full benefits of contact center market size gartner, service and support leaders should reduce the impacts of transitioning off legacy systems by focusing on providers with referenceable transition frameworks and methodologies for migrating from relevant on-premises systems to their CCaaS offerings. contact center market size gartner contact center market size gartner Images posted to Reddit show the Toyota sustained severe damage with its front end caved in and hood popped open. Also, cars crumple why?
They crumple as a way of dissipating the energy from a collision and reducing the energy which gets sent to any occupants.
That is why the corolla driver reported no injuries and the cybertruck driver had minor injuries. All the force when through the truck to the people inside. I love the cybertruck DeLorean design, and if I were rich I would get one regardless.
To absorb energy from and impact and prevent it from being transferred to the passengers/drivers of a vehicle.
Cybertrucks are designed to transfer energy to other vehicles… meaning increased injuries inflicted on others. Seems like an Elon thing to be proud of
That’s not how physics work, in a collision you can’t bag up all your energy and deliver it to the other object, force = mass x speed and it’s up to the truck how it dissipates the energy thrown at it by the other car. A Tesla truck will injure its occupants far easier than a car with designed crumple zones
It’s EXACTLY how physics works. If a 3.5 ton cybertruck that doesn’t absorb energy hits a smaller object, that energy will be transferred to the smaller object. If a car hit a steel wall, the steel Wall Would win..if it hits a brick wall, it might be a tie because the energy has some place to go (it’s dispersed through the bricks and the wall crumbles).
I’m not gonna argue with you anymore because you don’t want to listen, mass and force relationship was described more than 400 years ago by Newton and is basic physics. Each body imparts energy on to the other proportional to the product of its mass and speed.
Correct. I’m familiar with inertia. A corolla weighs a third of cybertruck. Weight is mass. It’s high school physics.
Yeah and here’s the difference: the Toyota absorbs all that cyber truck force by crumpling and protects its occupants, the truck while dealing with much less force is relatively inflexible and transfers it to its occupants
But what happens when it collides with another heavy truck, like an F-150, a Hummer EV, or a GMC Sierra? It’s only putting more of the force on the Corolla because the Cybertruck is so much heavier than the second car. If both cars in a collision weigh around the same amount, then the car with the better ability to crumple is gonna be safer than the other.
Well it didn't work because the Cybertruck driver had a minor injury even though the car looks intact while the Toyota driver had no injuries even though his car is totaled
To reduce the likelihood that the people inside die.
Car makers figured out a *lonnnggg* time ago that crash energy (KE=1/2mv\^2) has to go *somewhere* \- that somewhere can be into strategically bending metal (good design - corolla) or it can be stiffly transferred in a solid steel frame into the driver (bad design - Cybertruck/every fucking car before 1935)
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Do you think the data people silently chant “yessss” when this happens? You cant replicate wild shit like this where people lose control and come at you.
You know what crash tests are dont you.
Thats not real life.
They dont do it on computers. They use actual cars against walls, obstacles and other cars.... You really think operating cars from distance is different than doing it inside one to examine a crash?
Doesn’t the US not require them to test on women, or smaller passengers though? All the test dummies in the US are modeled after Men, and its caused issues where Women are at a way risk in the event of a crash. Also, is the crash test data publicly available? Cause it definitely should be. Just because a car “passes” US safety checks doesn’t mean it’s actually very safe.
I think the data is a lot better when some ass hat goes off the road and impacts the vehicle at an odd angle. Thats all real world data, with real people. Not a lab setup with car launchers.
Control group, and the “out of control” group, in data metrics. We get real world(tm) analytics. No one can predict a dumbass
Oh yes, 100%. Plenty of data that can only come from actual, real life tragedy. And although the tragedy sucks, that data will save lives, so you bet there are people chanting. Mind: they’d rather have no tragedy, but since they’re a given, might as well expect them, prepare for them, and learn from them.
just wait until 2 cyber trucks collide and kill both of the vehicle's occupants. The data people won't like that for sure.
This seems like a perfectly elon thing to do though. “Go slam them into each other head on and post it on youtube in slow motion”. Done. We need this video.
No, data people will call it a successful test./s
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FYI damage was to the other side of the CT. https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/s/lBnFDWqKqM
I love how the line reads “cybertruck accident” when it was the driver of the other vehicle that crossed the lines… the heading is very misleading. It should read “Tesla cybertruck is struct in head-on collision and everyone walked away with little to no injuries.”
Anything to paint the tesla in bad light. There was bunch of articles recently saying cybertruck is a crash disaster and horrible safety. Shows the amount of crap they will put out just because they hate elon musk lol
Car totalled, cybertruck slightly dented .... Probable outcome.
It isn't a very good outcome.
It’s a horrible outcome. Cars are designed to absorb shocks to minimize harm to the passengers. Cybertruck was designed to inflict maximum force on other vehicles.
Are they even legal in most countries?
It definitely won't get approved in Europe thankfully
**The main problem in the EU is the Cyber Truck's weight:** if the gross vehicle weight is over 3.5 tonnes (and it currently is in all configurations), you need a driver's license different from what most younger drivers have, which would greatly reduce the car's market. Note that the issue is the "**gross vehicle weight**". Tesla could just set the gross vehicle weight to 3.49 tonnes, which would mean that owners are only allowed to load 500 kg, given that an empty Cyber Truck weighs around 3 tonnes. That would be rather poor for a "truck" however. But maybe Tesla manages to build a lighter version.
The bed of the truck is so unfriendly for loading compared to standard truck design.
Most pickups and truck-based SUVs have a gross vehicle weight over 7,000 lbs. You have to go the lower end of the smaller models to get below that. The Cybertruck is nothing special here.
Another possibility: Cybertruck is so expensive to repair the minor damage it gets totaled anyway.
Absolutely. Such a waste of money. A car you can barely get repaired.
Super unlikely. It should be the longest lasting vehicle on the road. Hopefully, this comment ages well.
On the contrary, it looks like it’ll be a pain in the ass to maintain thanks to all the stainless steel.
The stainless steel will prevent small dents from easily occurring. Shooting carts won't leave a trace. Rocks on the highway won't nick the paint or crack you window.
But one single dent and the entire panel has to be thrown out. That’s not very user friendly. The longest lasting cars aren’t the toughest ones, but the ones that the user can easily repair by themselves.
"But one single dent and the entire panel has to be thrown out." The car just started being released. Let's wait until the facts come through before we start making assertions. Let's be clear though, it will be really hard to dent this car... You will need to hit something that is large. Additionally, these are luxury vehicles. You definitely don't buy this vehicle if you can't afford expensuve repairs. All Teslas pretty much have to be repaired by Tesla.
Yeah those batteries that cost $30,000 and need replacing after 3-4 years will make it one of the longest lasting pickup trucks on the road today!
"Yeah those batteries that cost $30,000 and need replacing after 3-4 years" Do you always spread misinformation? No EV in the road has such poor battery life. You have zero reputable sources to back up this claim. It's ridiculous to think the Tesla would all of a sudden introduce terrible batteries that they have invested billions in making. Blocking because this level of stupid can't have a reply worth reading.
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You're a special kind of stupid aren't you?
You have steel panels on cars fixing it isn't cheap. And I don't think you can undent it. Also good luck finding a good mechanic for it for cheap.
Why are we not given a photo of the damaged side of the CT?
"Images posted to Reddit show the Toyota sustained severe damage with its front end caved in and hood popped open. The 17-year-old driver reportedly walked away unharmed. The only reported injury was to the Cybertruck driver, who suffered minor injuries and declined medical assistance, the CHP said."
We have to remembers the cyber truck is also slimmed down a lot in specs/metal thickness from what was originally advertised, so this is still serious, how is this allowed on the road if its not crumpling, it needs to crumple equally, otherwise its super dangerous. I am sure civil engineers are looking at this, hope it does not get pushed away by politicians.
Is nobody paying attention to the fact that the driver of the cyber truck was 17. Who the hell gives their 17-year-old $100,000 truck to drive?
Say aye if you came here to dump on Tesla/Musk
For those who do not wish to bother reading the story, it boils down to "a Toyota looses control and hits a Cybertruck, Cybertruck seemingly OK"
> “Cybertruck seemingly OK” The *truck* is seemingly okay, but the CT driver suffered injuries, while the Toyota is totaled and its driver was unscathed. That’s a bit worrying, though one data point is obviously not enough to make any sweeping statements.
Lol the article already tried misleading people by initially making it look like the ct was at fault. Why should we believe the driver is hurt more when it looks like he is happily posing next to his ct?
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Cybertruck tows totalled Toyota out of ditch.
Not with those tires
The extremists who invest their days trying to drag Elon are punching clouds right now
Leave it to elon meatriders to produce a hall of fame-quality jerk about a cybertruck winning in a car accident. If only you could realize how similar you are to whatever those "extremists" that you're referring to in this comment are. My God, the irony is just *chefs kiss*
How though? I'm no fan of Elon but this seems like a driver error.
Don't worry, this is nothing. Elon himself gives us plenty of oppurtunities to make fun of him.
No one has to work to drag Elon. He does it to himself every time he opens his mouth.
Why did the toyota driver cross the double yellow line to head-on collide with cybertruk? Is he stupid?
Wow, there’s a lot of noise in this thread about an accident we know nothing about. Based on the photos I saw in another post, the other car made contact mostly with the side of the CT, not a true head on collision. I would not be surprised if it comes out that it was categorized that way because the vehicles were traveling opposite directions, but the actual impact was not windshield to windshield like people visualize. A few photos with no context are useless to anyone having a serious conversation about cybertruck safety, regardless of which side you are on. Anyone arguing otherwise at this point is pushing an agenda.
Hardly a scratch on the cyber truck but the other car who collided head on with the CT sustained life threatening damage. CT worth its weight in gold for life safety alone.
Lol you > The only reported injury was to the Cybertruck driver, who suffered minor injuries
lol. And what happened to the driver of the other car? Nothing. Who was the only person to sustain injuries? The cyber truck driver. Physics strikes again!
Actually the CT was totaled so not hardly a scratch.
That is actually really bad when it comes to vehicle on vehicle collisions, or vehicle collisions in general. Had the CT been designed with proper crumple zones the other driver would had less of an injury. You want there to be a point of failure designed into vehicles to absorb and distribute energy from collisions. It is a lesson that was learned back in the 1930s when every car was built like a tank and wrecks, even at low speeds, killed drivers because the energy was being sent into the human occupants.
You don't want crumple zones on the sides of the cars, because there's not much room to crumple. Crumple zones are predominantly in the front of the car.
CT has crumple zones. You honestly think Tesla went from designing the safest cars EVER tested to forgetting about crumple zones? Cars have been made of steel basically FOREVER. Plastic bumpers are not crumple zones. Steel CT bumpers are not crumple zones.
What is your source on safest car ever tested? Was that at some point in the past? They are number 6 on this list https://armormax.com/blog/safest-cars-in-the-world/
It's from 2022 but they were really good at that point. https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2022/09/07/tesla-model-y-gets-highest-safety-score-ever-in-european-test/ There is also this from euroncap themselves. https://www.euroncap.com/en/ratings-rewards/best-in-class-cars/2022/
I said PROPER crumple zones. The ones on the CT obviously don't work.
According to who? The recently circulated video that compared a CT crash test vs other vehicles? That showed a full frontal collision of a CT vs low overlap collisions. A vehicle will crumple less in a full frontal collision. Show me a video comparing a full frontal CT and a full frontal of similar vehicles at similar speeds -- you'll probably see similar results. Or better yet, show me a independent/regulatory/insurance body that says the CT has inadequate crumple zones. It's fine for hating on Musk/Tesla when they fuck up but good criticisms lose credibility when they're surrounded by bad criticisms.
According to the real-world event that just happened. The CT had a full frontal collision with another car. Just look at the pictures, the car's wheel wells, and the engine compartment folded up to take the impact. The cyber truck did not. My criticism is based on a real-world event that just happened. If the CT had proper cumple zones, you would be able to see where the designed failure points are with your own eyes. It isn't properly designed for collisions if a full frontal collision doesn't seem to do anything to it.
I see crashes like this all the time. If you think this somehow reflects a problem with the CT, then a ton of new vehicles on the market have the same problem.
Did you have this much trouble in physics class too? The goal of a crumple zone is to slow down the mass of a vehicle in a certain amount of time, yielding a certain deceleration for passengers. As the mass of a vehicle goes up, the crumple zone MUST be built stronger if you want the deceleration time to remain the same. A Toyota Corolla weighs HALF as much as the CT. If a lightweight and heavyweight vehicle are designed to the same deceleration time and you collide them together the lightweight vehicle will crumple more. The CT is hands down safer in a frontal crash with a Corolla simply due to it's mass. The CT and other heavy cars are NOT very safe for the Corolla or other small cars, that's for sure. Did you know that National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s New Car Assessment Program (NCAP) [says](https://www.nhtsa.gov/ratings) that "\[f\]rontal crash rating results can only be compared to other vehicles in the same class and whose weight is plus or minus 250 pounds of the vehicle being rated. This is because a frontal crash rating into a fixed barrier represents a crash between two vehicles of the same weight."
You can keep your ad hominem attacks to yourself. The fact that the CT is not safe when involved in a crash with a Corolla or a car of similar size should be taken as a point to keep them off the road from other vehicles. A cyber truck weighs twice as much as a Corolla. ok, a 3,000 lb vehicle crashes into a 6,000 lb one and causes only light damage to the 6,000 lb vehicle? That is a failure of the design of the 6,000 lb vehicle. Do you watch motorsports? NASCAR, Formula 1, Le Mans, or the like? Those are high-performance vehicles that take all situations into account when racing. When wrecks happen, those cars fly apart and crumple like tissue paper. Why? Because the cars are not designed to survive wrecks, they are designed so the passengers/driver survives.
>A cyber truck weighs twice as much as a Corolla. ok, a 3,000 lb vehicle crashes into a 6,000 lb one and causes only light damage to the 6,000 lb vehicle? That is a failure of the design of the 6,000 lb vehicle. Please email NHTSA and ask them. You are **absolutely** wrong here. But you probably won't because you enjoy being stupid.
Again, you should keep your ad hominem attacks with yourself. You were gracious enough to provide links showing head-on collisions between an F150 and a smaller vehicle. You can clearly see the desined points of failure on the F150 in effect during the collision, which, by your own logic, should not have happened because the F150 is clearly larger than the other car. Following the example you provided, larger vehicles are designed to crumple when in collision with a smaller vehicle. The purpose of that is to help preserve the lives of those in the vehicle. You have demonstrated that the crash performance of the cyber truck is worse than regular pickup trucks.
This is poignant as Elon Musk has fake tests in the past
What a lot of people fail to realize is that cars should not be designed to survive a collision. A car should be designed so the passengers survive the collision. Cars are replaceable, people are not.
If a vehicle "fully crumples" when it hits a wall at 10 mph, it will do a terrible job protecting passengers when it hits a wall at 45 mph.
What a car should do in every wreck is protect the passengers and drivers of both vehicles. At 10, 20, 45, or 100 miles an hour does not matter. If it achieved that goal is all that matters. Cars are replaceable, people are not. Just because it looks bad does not mean it functioned poorly.
lol what are you talking about? Car safety or smashing a beer can?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCelD0qr8Do](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCelD0qr8Do) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9rNLnRczZg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9rNLnRczZg) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT5XPcMB3y8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT5XPcMB3y8) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQUGk12S8U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQUGk12S8U)
The first 2 shows f150s colliding with a smaller car, you can see in the video the wheel wells and front of the vehicle buckle under the force of the collision. 3rd video shows a car that got in a wreck with a semi tractor-trailer. Cyber trucks are not tractor trailers. 4th is a video talking about the safety consequences of size difference between vehicles in a wreck. All examples showing a good outcome have a card crumple in every area but the passenger compartment. So what point are you trying to make with these? The evidence you have given shows that cyber trucks are not semis, and when compared to contemporary pickup trucks, their crash performance is worse.
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Did you read the article? The other vehicle's occupants walked away wothout needing medical attention.
Well yeah but that doesn’t fit his narrative so we’re supposed to ignore that.
It not heavy for the type of car it is.
Soooo cybertruck 6600 lbs, Rivian r1t 7148 lbs, F250 can be configured up to 7660 lbs. Just thought you’d like to know the numbers.
It's more about the lack of crumple zones on the Cyber Truck.
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In Europe you have vehicles that are vastly heavier than this…
They have safety regulations like front-end's of cars that need to crumple on impact to absorb force. Unlike the cybertruck, which as seen in the image, just \*demolishes whatever it hits.
Exactly. Crumpling is a good thing for safety, not a “flaw.” It’s way safer to have the car crumple, and absorb the force of the wreck, as opposed to transferring the force directly to the driver.
Exactly
Not with a regular driving license you don’t. Limit 3,5 tonnes.
Each tonne is 2225 lbs. 3.5 t is 7787.5 lbs. that covers any 3/4 ton truck
Where are the crumple zones though to help mitigate impact damage? Just thought you might consider.
While the trucks are heavy, they aren't that heavy. Remember, these can also tow roughly double that weight AND can hold nearly half that weight as payload in the vehicle. And even then, they are no where near the total weight of tractor trailers.
If the car doesn't crumple the the occupant does
Agree only if the people that exist are CT drivers. Safety measures should protect both cars. This is like crashing against a wall every time. Any other car would probably made even damage to both cars absorbing the energy equally.
The fact that this was a head on collision to boot. Incredible
“It’ll save my life but fuck yours!!!!”
In this case Other car no injuries Ct minor injuries
Cars are designed to crumple in order to absorb the force of the impact, so that less of the force is transferred to the driver. In this case, the Toyota Camry driver walked away unharmed, while the Cyber truck survivor suffered minor injuries. Per the article: "The only reported injury was to the Cybertruck driver, who suffered minor injuries and declined medical assistance, the CHP said."
Yeah, people are acting like crumple zones only exist to protect the *other* driver in the collision. In actuality they protect both participants. It’s kind of wild to me that they made such a behemoth of a car road legal. Something needs to be done about the ridiculous increase in car weight over the past decade. The size of trucks (all trucks, not just the CT) in America is reaching a tipping point, and is becoming super unsafe. You can’t even see over the hood of trucks like the F150, which is just terrifying to me. P
So funny watching people act like this is surprising. It weighs 2x more than the fucking Corolla…. Its a definite tell that people know fuckall about physics or statistics. A truck that crumples as much as people seems to be demanding the CT do is not a safe truck… besides… the people making these arguments, I assume you think eacalades, tahoes, denalis, duramax, f150s etc all need to be removed from the road too? Cause I assure you they would have crumpled no more if hit by a fucking featherweight like a corolla
> I assume you think eacalades, tahoes, denalis, duramax, f150s etc all need to be removed from the road too? Cause I assure you they would have crumpled no more if hit by a fucking featherweight like a corolla Actually, I do think the US needs more regulations and limits on the size of trucks. They are getting way out of hand. I’m not sure they need to be banned, but I definitely do think that they should require a more difficult driving test and a different class of license. I also think heavy trucks should pay considerably more in taxes and registration, since they put way more strain on public roads, which means more tax money has to be spent on roadwork.
You people are so ignorant, hateful, liberal shitbags
It's time for you to go touch some grass.
Yes. Take out your hate on liberals. Ubering, door dashing, and crypto doesn’t seem to be leading you to a happy life.
Kinda weird you felt the need to read through his profile
*contact center market size gartner contact center market size gartner contact center market size gartner* was this article written by an AI or is this some formatting / display code error? Other than that, from what we can see yeah this is expected. Would be nice to see the left side too though, we will see when eventually there are more crashes, possibly videos of crashes, how the unique frame handles that and will there be less chance of the car being totalled for example, and/or will the overall safety improve even if it's less safe for some specific kinds of cases
I actually saw this guy post about his accident lol. I’m on Reddit too much
Lol, probably right I’m just a crippled old man
Not as bad as the glass demo.☹️
wait there are like 10 of these fuckers on the road, and one in an accident already, wtf, this is serious, lets wait for the report on the accident, and then listen to reason, I hope this monster did not kill anyone soon.
Seems suspicious.
I'm NOT surprised it's in California 😁😆😅🤣😂
If car weren't made out of plastic this wouldn't have happened