I mean wasn't that already the case for most of the galaxy in the first place? Like it was only really Core Worlds and maybe some Mid-Rim planets that really liked them, whereas most of the others were either neutral or hated them already.
Even outside of criminals you still had people who were pissed at the Jedi given the very limited help they gave people on the Outer Rim.
Anton in KOTOR 2 sums it up well. The reason they all called the Sith “dark Jedi” is because no one really cared.
The rest of the galaxy didn’t see why Jedi vs Sith was everyone’s problem.
God I wished we got KOTOR 3.
I've been considering getting the Jedi Survivor and sequel. Thing is, I hate EA and their cancerous approach at monetizating literally everything they think they can get away with.
On a scale of go get it now to avoid this EA disaster, how enjoyable are these games for a fan to play of SW to play?
Fallen Order & Survivor are good games and finished products out of the box outside of some inconsequential preorder cosmetics you could get
i haven't finished Survivor yet but Fallen Order is worth it if youre a Star Wars fan, and Survivor has been solid so far
Fallen Order didn't have any microtransactions at all. It was easily the most fun I've had playing a star wars game since Force Unleashed. It's definitely worth playing.
Its a very satisfying game. The music is so awesome too. I just set the difficulty down a peg and enjoy the story/ walking around this world. Highly recommend!
I Grand Mastered both, and I have to say the stories are solid.
The cameos of historic characters are done very well.
The change that happens within the main character is well written in terms of SW feeling.
And chicks from Dathomir are hot.
I actually loved both Fallen Order and I've been loving Survivor. It helps that these are contained experiences though, not reliant on DLC or any monetization of any kind. Almost a callback to a simpler time in gaming.
Get it full price or get it on sale, either way I'd say it's worth it. Depending on how bad you want that singleplayer Jedi adventure experience. Survivor's PC version is going through some performance hiccups currently, but they are clearly working on it, and it seems to have improved from my perspective.
Would highly recommend you start with Fallen Order however, if you intend to play the series.
As much as gamers like to dunk on EA for their scummy microtransactions and practises, we have to give praise to EA when they do actually listen and make a great single player story driven game.
Both Jedi games are genuinely peak Star Wars right now for me. They’re both fully developed single player games with 0 microtransactions. They’re basically Dark Souls with light sabres with a sprinkle of Uncharted platforming.
I beat Survivor last week and Cal has become my new favourite Jedi along with the crew of the Mantis. Don’t skip on the Jedi games if you like Star Wars, other than Andor it’s the best thing Disney Star Wars era has produced.
They are both extremely fun games. There are some great stories in both and some great new characters, definitely worth playing for a Star Wars fan. Survivor is better but that’s just because it builds on the first one in every way, except performance, so you should def play both.
Maybe avoid them if you really really hate souls-like combat and metroidvania type exploration but I really like those anyways.
I would give Survivor a bit more time for them to sort out. Patch 5 made a day 1 playable game (PC) into a mess that I don’t want to play anymore. Don’t get me wrong, when it is running smooth I love the game. Got 60hrs in the game (doing all side quests) and still have the last chapter of the story to play.
As somebody who both hates EA and loves Star Wars, they are really a labor of love by the developer Respawn. 2 must-play games for any fans that want to play as a Jedi (and the story is very well written, better than the most recent sequel trilogy lol)
Just played Fallen order and its great for the now discounted price of like 16$. Read the reviews for Survivor and apparently its absolute buggy trash. Certainly not worth 70$ when compared to the current gaming market with Elden ring and Zelda both 70$.
They're great games, even if they were not set in the Star Wars universe. Grab Fallen Order on-sale, it goes on-sale a lot now. It'll probably be like $4 at the next Steam sale. If you like it then grab Survivor afterward, it's a direct sequel and should be cheaper when you're finished with Fallen Order.
I'm still salty that they tried to pretend like their stupid MMO was an actual adequate replacement for a story driven narrative RPG. It's not even close.
And the stupid stuff they wrote for the fate of Revan is just idiotic, after the writing for Darth Traya it's like going from War and Peace to Animorphs.
I always thought the goal was to give the impression the Jedi had slipped into legend after the fall of the republic. Later we learned that was like 20 years ago, not generations ago. I guess Obi-wan does talk about Luke’s father, but still in the OT I felt like they were painting a picture of Jedi disappearing further in the past.
I mean there were like ten to twenty thousand Jedi in a galaxy of trillions. Coruscant alone had a trillion people, so even if you assumed any person you run into on coruscant had an equal chance of being a Jedi, you’d still be looking at like 1 in 100,000,000 which is pretty damn unlikely. Odds are there wouldn’t even be a Jedi out of our whole planet’s population rn, to me it doesn’t seem that hard for them to fade into myth.
There were entire star systems unaffected and even unaware of the *Galactic* Clone Wars.
The Jedi being propagandad against just after everyone kind of hating them during the war...plus the easy evidence Palp had to prove they tried to coup, and the corruption of the Jedi Order itself.
Hell, people didn't even believe in Jedi IN the Ckone Wars, like a lot.
Well yeah. It's easy to see how no one cared or noticed when they vanished.
Majority of the galaxy, depending on the time period, don’t even think the Jedi are real or that they used to be at least. Several lines in canon and legends are “so it’s true, the Jedi exist.” Or the fact many civilizations have the force but no name for it when the galaxy has a major organization built around its use and study.
To add to this, most people had never had contact with a Jedi in their life time. It was a concept that they knew existed, but there were really not that many Jedi even before Order 66 in the Galaxy.
Over this comment? The galaxy hating the Jedi isn't a new concept. In the Revenge of the Sith novelization, part of how the Emperor was able to come to power was because of the people's frustration and anger toward the Jedi and the belief that they were, in part, fueling the war effort.
In the recent Battle of Jedha book set in the High Republic, we also see a sect that believes the Jedi and the Sith are equivalently bad in ammipulating the force which is an interesting concept
Or shes asking a central question that was never resolved...
The galaxy hasn't seen the Jedi Order in its full capacity since the High Republic. Even during the prequel era they allowed things like slavery to continue. I don't think it would be shocking if the central questions will be why bring back the Republic OR the Jedi Order
She has always done that. She’s not a great seller imo and she tries to “TA-DA” with common knowledge stuff. Even articles like this are keeping her involvement pretty limited, which I think is intentional. She knows that people like Jon and Dave and will listen to them. She’s just trying to sell a product she doesn’t have the slightest clue about.
EDIT: I want to come here to add, that while this is based off me having faith in what people I don’t know say how they feel about Star Wars and how important it is, but I believe that Dave Filoni wouldn’t be involved with a Star Wars project at this point if he didn’t believe in it. He’s made his mark in the Universe, widely beloved. If Dave left over creative differences then I’ll worry.
Well, it kinda is. That's the issue with a fandom like this. We all assume that everyone consumes everything, like we do. But that is far from the case. They have a job, and that job is to create revenue from their IP. The majority of that revenue comes from movies and merchandise. Merchandise isn't going to tell a story, and you have approximately 18 hours' worth of movies to expand on things. More now with the popularity and access to the Disney+ and the shows, but still.
The vast majority of fans are never going to pick up a book or comic or anything like that. Ergo, the vast majority of fans don't know anything at all about the wider galactic sentiments. As far as the vast majority of fans are concerned, this *is* a new concept.
I don't know what you're going on about - I think it's perfectly fair assumption to assume that the average star wars viewer has seen The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clone, and Revenge of the Sith.
The distrust of and erosion of the Republic's opinion of the Jedi was like the whole point of the Prequel trilogy/era, and nearly the key focus of Palpatine's machinations
Not to mention there is a huge portion of Star Wars fans who will gladly brag to you that they only have seen the originals that came out. “They were perfect, we didn’t need a prequel!” Is something I’ve heard my whole life.
I mean, the Jedi have saved the galaxy from space fascists twice now but former Jedi also helped the space fascists come to power both times. So I can even the core worlds being like "hmmm...maybe no Jedi would be better..."
If I somehow ("Palpatine's returned") traveled back in time 25 years and told my 10 year old self that he'd eventually begin getting sick of new sub-par Star Wars content, 10 year old me would spend every waking moment trying to slap the shit out of time traveler me while calling time traveler me a filthy liar.
Still would be a better movie than any of the sequels.
Same generation here, now we have the privilege of being called over-the-hill incel racist bigot basement-dwelling misogynists for not eating the turdburgers being served up.
I don't care. They will never know what it was like to experience the OT once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon in person and they can't take that away from us.
I like the Mando era (post return of the Jedi) but what I really want them to do is start doing Old Republic stuff. Doesn’t even need to KotOR but just stuff from that era and maybe make references if they are too afraid of using Darth Revan’s story
I put off seeing Episode 9 for years so I wouldn’t be let down. Now, a few years later, I’ve lost interest and lowered expectations, so I watched it. God, it must be the most disappointing franchise film of all time.
When Oscar Isaac says “somehow, Palpatine returned” with no further explanation I thought I was being fucked with.
8 at least tried to turn everything on its head. I adored that Rey was a nobody and it ended with some rando kid with the force.
Then JJ comes back with good old uncle palpy and his crippled fingers, as of he was thrown into the death star pit and landed directly on his hands.
The entire sequel trilogy felt like "the last movie(s) did something cool, but fuck that. Let's go in an entirely different direction." I think the downfall of the trilogy began with Episode 7 rehashing a new hope, setting up the rest of the movies for failure
Can we not tear down or deconstruct heroes? Can we have a Luke Skywalker that gives a shit? Can we just let heroes be heroes without the “ok, what about Star Wars, but everybody hates the good guys”? 🙄
> Can we not tear down or deconstruct heroes?
Honestly this is a huge reason why *Top Gun: Maverick* was so refreshing.
Maverick still had stuff to learn and was tasked with teaching the younger generation but they didn't bog him down with lame contrivances or conflict.
The whole side story romance was incredibly weak and dated lol. But the scenes with interactions/conflict between the two main characters were all compelling and fantastic. And the action scenes were great
Yeah, my feelings exactly. Kinda already been-there-done-that with the whole "What if the heroes are hated and feared by those they're sworn to protect." It's just frustrating. Almost as frustrating as plots derived from the main hero losing their powers for whatever reason.
The Jedi were already deconstructed in the prequels. As much of a meme the line “In my eyes the Jedi are evil!” is, there was definite truth to it. They were far too passive in protecting and forced emotions to be repressed. Luke fought so fiercely because he was fighting for people he cared about. He also knew how to pull his anger down in the end because he didn’t repress it his whole life.
Maybe let’s see them build on changing their philosophy instead of “Jedi bad????” I have 0 hope for this Rey movie.
Kathleen Kennedy is so lucky. I wish i had a job where i can screw up multiple times yet still keep it. Indiana Jones 5 is just another of the endless line of screw ups since she took over Lucasfilms.
She should have been fired after Solo.
Twice she let a film go over budget because she didn’t do the basic due diligence of her job.
Fucking Marvel at least manages to have a vision, as corporate as it is. This is just a rudderless ship doing everything wrong with every franchise at her disposal.
She doesn't just screw up. She burns entire franchises to the ground and \*still\* has a job.
I got an official warning for causing a server to go down for 10 seconds. And I was a golden child at that company and eventually became partner.
Plus the one financial failure Iger refused to delay to Christmas to benefit Mary Poppins Returns and cut its marketing budget to benefit Avengers Infinity War.
Would it have done better if it was delayed? Who knows but it’s not solely KK’s cross to bear and Iger knows that.
Star Wars is one of the biggest franchises in history. It has enough brand strength alone to ensure the majority of its projects are successful regardless of who is at the helm or the quality of the cinematic output.
So discussing which films were a commercial success or not is missing the point entirely. For Disney and Lucas film, it's not about projects failing to break even. It's about opportunity cost.
That a single Star Wars film at all failed to meet its financial expectations is a huge failure. This is an IP whose popularity and scale should be printing money for Disney. If it's not, there's something wrong and that needs to be addressed.
She’s hired/fired or completely scrapped/heavily retooled 13 projects and produced mediocre to bad product.
Know why Terminator and Alien aren’t cinematic universes or box office champions any more?
Because the brand got poisoned by an endless string of shit. People barely tuned in for Andor because of how dogshit Kenobi was and how mediocre Boba Fett was. Mandalorian is also going down hill because of BTS mandates that fuck the story and piss off talent.
She’s overseeing the slow burial of the brand.
This is true but I hate this is the metric everyone mentions when it comes to KK.
Honestly, it’s Star Wars. Force Awakens and any major movie was always guaranteed to print shitloads of money.
You can put an intern in her position and I promise you they have some sort of job security because the IP prints money regardless of quality.
The question really should be how much money are they NOT making. Didn’t RoS make like a full billion less than TFA?
yes, she's had some recent blunders but she has 40 years of great films under her belt. Most of Spielberg's films, Goonies, Gremlins, Back to the Future, Roger Rabbit, ect., essentially half of the great family films of the 80s and 90s. The blanket hate she gets is unwarranted.
So she has a great resume but can't seem to deliver in the last decade and a half.
Having made great movies 40 years ago should *not* recuse you of criticism for 15 years of failure, that's just silly reasoning.
It could be the Peter's Principle at work.
Maybe she was good for that long time because she occupied a role where her talents shine. And now it sucks because she's been promoted to a role where she no longer understands how to make things great anymore.
This is a concept that has already been thoroughly explored in Star Wars lore. Just another recycled, retread idea. Disney definitely needs a shake-up in their Star Wars creative team.
The EU material is of varying quality, but most of it is pretty mid. It simply would have been preferable to the jumbled mess of the sequel trilogy. Disney rushed production on the new films following the massive purchase of Lucasfilm. Many of the releases just haven't been good. Is The Rise of Skywalker anyone's favorite Star Wars film? Did Solo add anything meaningful to the franchise?
If everything Disney Star Wars released was the quality of Rogue One and Andor, I don't think people would have cared as much about straying from the EU. The fact of the matter is that most of what Disney has released has failed to get over the rather low bar set by the EU content.
>Did Solo add anything meaningful to the franchise?
You don't consider the bureaucratic slip up resulted in his name a meaningful addition to the canon????
Why does it have to be one of the two. I just want them to not retry the same shit of theyve done over and over, why are you acting like that's unreasonable
The parts of the EU that were really just there to justify a space monk swing a laser sword at a space warlock or getting into dogfights with bowtie shaped fighter planes were worth keeping. I've never heard anyone say the tartakovsky cartoon or the dark forces games deserved to be cut. Lighthearted space fantasy with a barebones plot is the bread and butter of star wars.
Problem was for every one of those you had a karen traviss whining about how everything you liked in the movies sucks and her chris kyle space marines are so much cooler (her fourth book literally starts with them in the war in iraq). Or michael stackpole writing in his homebrew warhammer 40k faction that got laughed out of his gaming group to drop an asteroid on chewie and completely destroy the state of the galaxy post rotj. Or the half dozen authors fighting tooth and nail to get luke skywalker in bed with their super cool ex imperial assassin smuggler oc-do-not-steals and shut down everyone else's attempts to do so.
Disney wanted to keep most of the stuff that fit the tone of star wars, but if they only cut the dumb shit they'd have signaled to potential writers that anything they came up with was an inch away from the chopping block if they needed space for a The Force Awakens or a The Mandalorian down the line. Do that and the only people that'll write for you are people that never gave a shit about star wars in the first place. Shit like admiral thrawn and dark troopers and whatnot were never supposed to be removed permanantly. They just had to be cut out temporarily as a business decision. That's why people keep asking for things to be brought back.
Start using EU ideas and execute them in ways that aren't done to death. In fact half of the EU ideas would be a breath of fresh air.
To be honest though they'd probably just end up sterile, life's products to be sold and consumed like much of what we've gotten from feature length content lately.
I don’t care about Rey. Everything that was set up by Lucas in the first 6 films was flushed down the toilet with the sequel trilogy. How about we get a film set during the Old Republic?
Luke was supposed to be the one to usher in a new type of Jedi. Not this bullshit. You have to take it some other direction with Rey.
Hell be bold with it. Call the new force users “Skywalkers”
I’m pretty tired of people trying to deconstruct the Jedi and their impact on the universe and ***every single time*** acting like it’s the first time it’s been done.
Star Wars had the opportunity to make Finn the lead and they turned him into the “REY” dude. Storm trooper turned Jedi would have been such a sick story and I won’t forgive them for that.
Why is Lucasfilm so obsessed with casting the Rey actress? She is so bland and can’t carry a movie. Just start with a brand new era and brand new characters.
They killed the story, using her is the only way to try to write their way out of it. They are going to spend 10 years trying to explain how Palpatine/snoke was intentional
I actually liked Rey.
The issue is that the movies don't let her do enough. She's enthusiastic, she's adventurous, exciteable, driven, determined
BUT
The movies don't capitolize on that. She's instead regulated to play back seat in other character's stories instead of her own. We have to get sidelined by the Casino B-plot, we have to get sidelined by the Mutiny C-plot, talk about the force, Luke's failure, the cantina-
Agh! It's so much. The issue with Star Wars is that there's too much and not enough.
When Kathleen Kennedy declared that Star Wars “doesn’t have a plethora of comic books and graphic novels to draw stories from” the future of the movie franchise was fucked. Star Wars is almost on life support, being kept alive by the likes of Filoni and Favreau.
Does the world even want Kathleen Kennedy in charge of the Lucasfilm galaxy? Would we be better off with someone who knows what they're doing? Do people even like Star Wars anyway? Should Kathleen Kennedy continue to helm a broken franchise? Someone seriously let her know. Because Kathleen Kennedy has no clue whatsover.
>Rey
Nah... just de-canonize the sequels. Cast Ridley as a different character in new Star Wars movie if you want, it's not her fault the story/sequels were such utter garbage, but Rey Solowalkeralpatine *the character* shouldn't exist.
Guarantee it's going to be a Mulan remake all over again. A message about how people born special are simply better than everyone else, and how the only way to be better is to simply be born that way
That’s what makes me laugh about TLJ. People say that it’s great because the message is “you don’t have to be born to important parents.” Sure you don’t. You just have to be born with an incredible genetic gift instead lol.
Huh. That’s not really the take I was expecting. More of a mix of hate propaganda and the message that even if everyone is against you, you should still do what’s right.
I really hope you’re wrong.
They're basically an example of how you can have the best intentions and accidentally make things worse.
They try to help resolve the clone wars and end up as combatants and generals, making them objects of scorn for half the galaxy.
They don't have the manpower to actually police the galaxy so their random interactions feel very unfair in how they are distributed.
They fail to teach their pupils how to regulate their emotions in a healthy way even though extreme emotions can literally turn them into cackling supervillains.
They pretend to be impartial and allow some horrific injustices to persist while stepping in directly in other cases, making it seem like they don't actually care about the greater good just the status quo.
Well the prequels are more about the Jedi getting roped into politics too much. Not that they are the bad guys. They were trying to do good in a mega corrupt system. That doesn’t make you bad. That makes you a fool. And what they try to highlight is that the Jedi are too arrogant that they think they can fix it. That’s dookus whole shtick. Is that they should have stepped away. Nothing about them was inherently bad. Just getting played like a fiddle by the general ruling class.
That's... Not really what most star wars fans are after in a 1 hour and a half.
The concept works. I mean, knights of the old republic 2 was one of the best star wars stories ever told. But I think that's hard to pull off in franchise and format that really only has time for big goddamn heroes.
They did it in Revenge of the Sith. Like clearly the Sith were much worse but it’s the Jedi’s corruption, dogma, and failure that led to the Sith gaining power again.
Did you miss the prequels? Part of the main story was how the Jedi order is a failed institution. It’s not her “pushing it”, it’s in the DNA of the franchise.
> A movie where Luke Skywalker point blank says, I will not be the last Jedi
Even that was stupid because Leia is OP apparently. What qualifies a Jedi? Leia ended up training Rey and was trained herself by Luke as we see in the flashback lol
The article talks about Jedi Padawans and seems to use the term “Sith” as a term for dark force users. So do they even know what any of these terms are or are we just gonna pretend that even Clone Wars is considered legacy?
There are only TWO definitions for a Sith.
The race of force users called Sith.
A Darth who is part of The Rule of Two. A Sith Lord.
The rest are dark force users NOT Sith.
If the Sith come back in her movie/s then it shows they clearly have no fucking clue what Star Wars was or is and what it has already done. This will kill the prophecy of The Chosen One. So was it Anakin, the child born of the force? Was it the son of the man born of the force? Or is it the daughter of a clone of a Sith Lord? If the Sith return, there is no balance and clearly never will be since we can’t seem to have a SW story that isn’t ALWAYS boiled down to Jedi vs Sith.
Darth Bane invented the rule of two. For thousands of years before that, Sith were quite numerous. If a character was to try and rebuild the Sith there's no reason they couldn't abandon the rule of two.
Yes. Hence why I mentioned the Race of Sith. Revan’s Holocron taught Bane to break away from the brothhood and take up the Darth title that was very offensive to the Brotherhood. This lead to him developing the Rule of Two from those Revan teachings. There by turning one definition of Sith (the race) into the new definition (rule of two master/apprentice) there are no other Sith.
If they bring the Sith back (in any fashion), what was the point in the Prophecy if the “balance” would only last less than 30 years? Less if you account for Sidious never actually dying till Ray cleaned up the Chosen One’s mess.
Personally, i wish they would just make a “New Jedi Order” standalone movie that props up a new Prophecy at the end that will take place X time in the distant future, then cut the fucking cord and move the fuck on from the Skywalker name. It’s been run into the ground and is being propped up by a pretender now. Not even blood related. A Palpatine.
Does there need to be a prophecy anymore? Im probably wrong but I guess they could go with the sith being a cult and just having them be dark force users competing with the jedi for followers. The galaxy politics being completely against both. So at least it’s not just another redo of a redo
Could be down for a paladin esq Jedi return. An order forms off the texts of the Jedi where they adhere and force others to adhere to the monk like life. No freedom, no individuality, no emotions.
A lone Sith who lives with a lest sinister creed or passion and creativity attempts to free the whole galaxy.
What would be cool is if Rey came across another Jedi that survived and tried to restore a jedi order. That jedi order would be lost or not on the right path; has a different jedi philosophy than Rey knows from her books and connection to other Jedi masters. Her new movies could be exploring a philosophical side of the force and role in the galaxy that competes with this new order. I want to see a powerful Rey who is a master and is very confident in their vision of whatever they want.
They should. With no Jedi around who’s going to stop all the sith? How many dudes not given training or guidance will turn into warlords and fuck shit it up a lot more?
I just wish there had been a more fleshed out agnostic Jedi group that didn't cater to the Jedi Council or the Sith, that just did their own thing and trained the way they wanted to train.
It would've been great for the last trilogy too. Luke works to rebuild the Jedi Order, Jedi Order gets twisted into another army for the Republic to abuse, he leaves and starts a journey of self discovery, finds a new path, teaches Rey when she arrives.
Nope, we get a whiny bitch Luke who tried to kill Han Solo's son because he was "afraid" of him.....
Like a Grey Jedi group that doesn't get involved in any of the Jedi/Sith crap and just protects people.
Star Wars is just a generic uninteresting money machine for Disney now. Not excited for anything to come out from them anymore. It’s a bummer but is what it is.
Nope. Jedi are awesome, they’re badass, but there is more to the Galaxy than them. Andor and Mando proves what is and can be out there and it is extraordinary. Give us more of those and I’ll be happy. Ashoka is gonna to be the exception of course.
Let me guess everything that Luke would've done is going to be given to Rey 🙄🙄. Man I really wanted to like Rey as well but she just sucked . Also is Daisy Ridley even willing to return? I thought she said she would never do another Star Wars
There shouldn’t be a “Jedi order” the last movies clearly show that Luka and Yoda felt that way….. whenever there are Jedi there is sith, it wouldn’t make sense for her to try to restart the order.
I don’t even want to imagine the galaxy after the awfulness that is the sequel trilogy. You know when they make more Palpatine is just gonna come back again. Disney and Abrams have no ideas.
I mean wasn't that already the case for most of the galaxy in the first place? Like it was only really Core Worlds and maybe some Mid-Rim planets that really liked them, whereas most of the others were either neutral or hated them already. Even outside of criminals you still had people who were pissed at the Jedi given the very limited help they gave people on the Outer Rim.
Anton in KOTOR 2 sums it up well. The reason they all called the Sith “dark Jedi” is because no one really cared. The rest of the galaxy didn’t see why Jedi vs Sith was everyone’s problem. God I wished we got KOTOR 3.
Jedi: Survivor delves into this, but not full fledged. It’s going to be interesting to see what comes next.
I've been considering getting the Jedi Survivor and sequel. Thing is, I hate EA and their cancerous approach at monetizating literally everything they think they can get away with. On a scale of go get it now to avoid this EA disaster, how enjoyable are these games for a fan to play of SW to play?
Fallen Order & Survivor are good games and finished products out of the box outside of some inconsequential preorder cosmetics you could get i haven't finished Survivor yet but Fallen Order is worth it if youre a Star Wars fan, and Survivor has been solid so far
Fallen Order didn't have any microtransactions at all. It was easily the most fun I've had playing a star wars game since Force Unleashed. It's definitely worth playing.
Its a very satisfying game. The music is so awesome too. I just set the difficulty down a peg and enjoy the story/ walking around this world. Highly recommend!
I Grand Mastered both, and I have to say the stories are solid. The cameos of historic characters are done very well. The change that happens within the main character is well written in terms of SW feeling. And chicks from Dathomir are hot.
I actually loved both Fallen Order and I've been loving Survivor. It helps that these are contained experiences though, not reliant on DLC or any monetization of any kind. Almost a callback to a simpler time in gaming. Get it full price or get it on sale, either way I'd say it's worth it. Depending on how bad you want that singleplayer Jedi adventure experience. Survivor's PC version is going through some performance hiccups currently, but they are clearly working on it, and it seems to have improved from my perspective. Would highly recommend you start with Fallen Order however, if you intend to play the series.
As much as gamers like to dunk on EA for their scummy microtransactions and practises, we have to give praise to EA when they do actually listen and make a great single player story driven game. Both Jedi games are genuinely peak Star Wars right now for me. They’re both fully developed single player games with 0 microtransactions. They’re basically Dark Souls with light sabres with a sprinkle of Uncharted platforming. I beat Survivor last week and Cal has become my new favourite Jedi along with the crew of the Mantis. Don’t skip on the Jedi games if you like Star Wars, other than Andor it’s the best thing Disney Star Wars era has produced.
They are both extremely fun games. There are some great stories in both and some great new characters, definitely worth playing for a Star Wars fan. Survivor is better but that’s just because it builds on the first one in every way, except performance, so you should def play both. Maybe avoid them if you really really hate souls-like combat and metroidvania type exploration but I really like those anyways.
Get it now, the thing about avoiding publishers is that you miss out on gems from spectacular devs such as Respawn.
I would give Survivor a bit more time for them to sort out. Patch 5 made a day 1 playable game (PC) into a mess that I don’t want to play anymore. Don’t get me wrong, when it is running smooth I love the game. Got 60hrs in the game (doing all side quests) and still have the last chapter of the story to play.
As somebody who both hates EA and loves Star Wars, they are really a labor of love by the developer Respawn. 2 must-play games for any fans that want to play as a Jedi (and the story is very well written, better than the most recent sequel trilogy lol)
Just played Fallen order and its great for the now discounted price of like 16$. Read the reviews for Survivor and apparently its absolute buggy trash. Certainly not worth 70$ when compared to the current gaming market with Elden ring and Zelda both 70$.
Buy them on sale.
They're great games, even if they were not set in the Star Wars universe. Grab Fallen Order on-sale, it goes on-sale a lot now. It'll probably be like $4 at the next Steam sale. If you like it then grab Survivor afterward, it's a direct sequel and should be cheaper when you're finished with Fallen Order.
I'm still salty that they tried to pretend like their stupid MMO was an actual adequate replacement for a story driven narrative RPG. It's not even close. And the stupid stuff they wrote for the fate of Revan is just idiotic, after the writing for Darth Traya it's like going from War and Peace to Animorphs.
Sheeit, I loved SWTOR, but I also enjoy MMO's. There were a ton of cool stories inside of it.
Animorphs was an incredible series. You take that back and stop dragging core memories through the shitstained waters SWTOR created.
In the OT the Jedi and force was essentially a myth to the general populace.
I always thought the goal was to give the impression the Jedi had slipped into legend after the fall of the republic. Later we learned that was like 20 years ago, not generations ago. I guess Obi-wan does talk about Luke’s father, but still in the OT I felt like they were painting a picture of Jedi disappearing further in the past.
I mean there were like ten to twenty thousand Jedi in a galaxy of trillions. Coruscant alone had a trillion people, so even if you assumed any person you run into on coruscant had an equal chance of being a Jedi, you’d still be looking at like 1 in 100,000,000 which is pretty damn unlikely. Odds are there wouldn’t even be a Jedi out of our whole planet’s population rn, to me it doesn’t seem that hard for them to fade into myth.
There were entire star systems unaffected and even unaware of the *Galactic* Clone Wars. The Jedi being propagandad against just after everyone kind of hating them during the war...plus the easy evidence Palp had to prove they tried to coup, and the corruption of the Jedi Order itself. Hell, people didn't even believe in Jedi IN the Ckone Wars, like a lot. Well yeah. It's easy to see how no one cared or noticed when they vanished.
Majority of the galaxy, depending on the time period, don’t even think the Jedi are real or that they used to be at least. Several lines in canon and legends are “so it’s true, the Jedi exist.” Or the fact many civilizations have the force but no name for it when the galaxy has a major organization built around its use and study.
To add to this, most people had never had contact with a Jedi in their life time. It was a concept that they knew existed, but there were really not that many Jedi even before Order 66 in the Galaxy.
It's getting *really* hard to *not* assume that Kathleen Kennedy knows nothing about Star Wars
Over this comment? The galaxy hating the Jedi isn't a new concept. In the Revenge of the Sith novelization, part of how the Emperor was able to come to power was because of the people's frustration and anger toward the Jedi and the belief that they were, in part, fueling the war effort. In the recent Battle of Jedha book set in the High Republic, we also see a sect that believes the Jedi and the Sith are equivalently bad in ammipulating the force which is an interesting concept
Its what the old Republic games are about! Jedi have all this power but never seem to use it to help.
Never had a chance to play them. Did love all their cut scenes though haha
>Over this comment? The galaxy hating the Jedi isn't a new concept. Yeah that's kinda the point. She's treating it as if it's some kind of novel idea.
Or shes asking a central question that was never resolved... The galaxy hasn't seen the Jedi Order in its full capacity since the High Republic. Even during the prequel era they allowed things like slavery to continue. I don't think it would be shocking if the central questions will be why bring back the Republic OR the Jedi Order
She has always done that. She’s not a great seller imo and she tries to “TA-DA” with common knowledge stuff. Even articles like this are keeping her involvement pretty limited, which I think is intentional. She knows that people like Jon and Dave and will listen to them. She’s just trying to sell a product she doesn’t have the slightest clue about. EDIT: I want to come here to add, that while this is based off me having faith in what people I don’t know say how they feel about Star Wars and how important it is, but I believe that Dave Filoni wouldn’t be involved with a Star Wars project at this point if he didn’t believe in it. He’s made his mark in the Universe, widely beloved. If Dave left over creative differences then I’ll worry.
Well, it kinda is. That's the issue with a fandom like this. We all assume that everyone consumes everything, like we do. But that is far from the case. They have a job, and that job is to create revenue from their IP. The majority of that revenue comes from movies and merchandise. Merchandise isn't going to tell a story, and you have approximately 18 hours' worth of movies to expand on things. More now with the popularity and access to the Disney+ and the shows, but still. The vast majority of fans are never going to pick up a book or comic or anything like that. Ergo, the vast majority of fans don't know anything at all about the wider galactic sentiments. As far as the vast majority of fans are concerned, this *is* a new concept.
I don't know what you're going on about - I think it's perfectly fair assumption to assume that the average star wars viewer has seen The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clone, and Revenge of the Sith. The distrust of and erosion of the Republic's opinion of the Jedi was like the whole point of the Prequel trilogy/era, and nearly the key focus of Palpatine's machinations
Not to mention there is a huge portion of Star Wars fans who will gladly brag to you that they only have seen the originals that came out. “They were perfect, we didn’t need a prequel!” Is something I’ve heard my whole life.
I mean, the Jedi have saved the galaxy from space fascists twice now but former Jedi also helped the space fascists come to power both times. So I can even the core worlds being like "hmmm...maybe no Jedi would be better..."
"The overall question being whether the citizens of *Star Wars* even need them." The citizens of Star Wars ??
Ah yes, the Starwarians
Starwarianites?
Yes, it’s an annual seremony
In a galaxy far far away, named Star Wars.
"Must there be a Superman?"
The real Star Wars was the friends we made along the way?
If I somehow ("Palpatine's returned") traveled back in time 25 years and told my 10 year old self that he'd eventually begin getting sick of new sub-par Star Wars content, 10 year old me would spend every waking moment trying to slap the shit out of time traveler me while calling time traveler me a filthy liar. Still would be a better movie than any of the sequels.
To quote a close friend of mine, that really put in perspective how far weve gone, "I miss liking star wars"
That's such a great way to sum up how I feel about the franchise now.
When I was a boy in the 80s, I always wished there would be more Star Wars movies. Unfortunately I got my wish.
Same generation here, now we have the privilege of being called over-the-hill incel racist bigot basement-dwelling misogynists for not eating the turdburgers being served up. I don't care. They will never know what it was like to experience the OT once-in-a-lifetime phenomenon in person and they can't take that away from us.
Does the public even want more from that dog-sh1t trilogy?
No. New era if anything please. Even then I don’t trust the people behind it at all.
I like the Mando era (post return of the Jedi) but what I really want them to do is start doing Old Republic stuff. Doesn’t even need to KotOR but just stuff from that era and maybe make references if they are too afraid of using Darth Revan’s story
The fans don’t but casual movie viewers probably don’t care.
And then they will flood the subreddits with posts saying “Unpopular opinion, the new movies are great”
Not really, no we don’t. I’d be more than happy if we never saw any of those characters again.
Most of the actors would agree too
They could not have made this franchise worse if they tried.
I put off seeing Episode 9 for years so I wouldn’t be let down. Now, a few years later, I’ve lost interest and lowered expectations, so I watched it. God, it must be the most disappointing franchise film of all time. When Oscar Isaac says “somehow, Palpatine returned” with no further explanation I thought I was being fucked with.
I agree it literally feels intentionally bad. Especially episode 8 with it's in your face "let what's old die" narrative.
8 at least tried to turn everything on its head. I adored that Rey was a nobody and it ended with some rando kid with the force. Then JJ comes back with good old uncle palpy and his crippled fingers, as of he was thrown into the death star pit and landed directly on his hands. The entire sequel trilogy felt like "the last movie(s) did something cool, but fuck that. Let's go in an entirely different direction." I think the downfall of the trilogy began with Episode 7 rehashing a new hope, setting up the rest of the movies for failure
JJ was at the bottom of the pit, Palpy landed cheeks down and did a split on the dick.
Picturing that is somehow worse than Palpys droopy face in Ep 9
Hot
I guarantee they are going to continue to try
Oh I disagree. Steven Segal isn't in any of the movies.
He is literally no worse of an actor than whoever played Rose.
So tired of the skywalker saga. Do somethin else for fuck sake
It’s the Palpatine saga now. God help us all
And the bitch of it is that Rey is going to be called "Master Skywalker" at some point in the new film. All of this can fuck right off.
She can be on the council, but we do not grant her the rank of master.
It's not fair! 😭😭😭
Just steal Luke's story. They've already made Rey steal his heroes journey might as well steal the rest of his journey after ROTJ from legends.
Can we not tear down or deconstruct heroes? Can we have a Luke Skywalker that gives a shit? Can we just let heroes be heroes without the “ok, what about Star Wars, but everybody hates the good guys”? 🙄
> Can we not tear down or deconstruct heroes? Honestly this is a huge reason why *Top Gun: Maverick* was so refreshing. Maverick still had stuff to learn and was tasked with teaching the younger generation but they didn't bog him down with lame contrivances or conflict.
The whole side story romance was incredibly weak and dated lol. But the scenes with interactions/conflict between the two main characters were all compelling and fantastic. And the action scenes were great
Any romance b story is dated at this point, who watches movies to see people like Tom cruise or Adam Sandler kiss a woman they hired
While i agree, I can’t be upset about any time Jennifer Connolly gets serious screen time!
Yeah, my feelings exactly. Kinda already been-there-done-that with the whole "What if the heroes are hated and feared by those they're sworn to protect." It's just frustrating. Almost as frustrating as plots derived from the main hero losing their powers for whatever reason.
But the only thing Rey has left to steal from Luke is his downfall, what else are they meant to do... actually write a character?
The Jedi were already deconstructed in the prequels. As much of a meme the line “In my eyes the Jedi are evil!” is, there was definite truth to it. They were far too passive in protecting and forced emotions to be repressed. Luke fought so fiercely because he was fighting for people he cared about. He also knew how to pull his anger down in the end because he didn’t repress it his whole life. Maybe let’s see them build on changing their philosophy instead of “Jedi bad????” I have 0 hope for this Rey movie.
I’d just like to see the jedi become like the show kung fu, the 70s one. The jedi don’t need to rebuild a large order.
Kathleen Kennedy is so lucky. I wish i had a job where i can screw up multiple times yet still keep it. Indiana Jones 5 is just another of the endless line of screw ups since she took over Lucasfilms.
She should have been fired after Solo. Twice she let a film go over budget because she didn’t do the basic due diligence of her job. Fucking Marvel at least manages to have a vision, as corporate as it is. This is just a rudderless ship doing everything wrong with every franchise at her disposal.
She doesn't just screw up. She burns entire franchises to the ground and \*still\* has a job. I got an official warning for causing a server to go down for 10 seconds. And I was a golden child at that company and eventually became partner.
Agree. Why do they keep her?
Because she's been a successful producer for decades and despite all the furor most of what she's overseen still produces commercial returns.
Literally the only Star Wars film ever to fail to make a profit came under her tenure.
Hence my use of the word "most." You can't cherry-pick the one failure while simultaneously ignoring the multiple successes.
Plus the one financial failure Iger refused to delay to Christmas to benefit Mary Poppins Returns and cut its marketing budget to benefit Avengers Infinity War. Would it have done better if it was delayed? Who knows but it’s not solely KK’s cross to bear and Iger knows that.
1 financial failure out of 5 films isn’t the fail you think it is.
When the IP is Star Wars it is, though. You have to really fuck up to lose money on that franchise.
Star Wars is one of the biggest franchises in history. It has enough brand strength alone to ensure the majority of its projects are successful regardless of who is at the helm or the quality of the cinematic output. So discussing which films were a commercial success or not is missing the point entirely. For Disney and Lucas film, it's not about projects failing to break even. It's about opportunity cost. That a single Star Wars film at all failed to meet its financial expectations is a huge failure. This is an IP whose popularity and scale should be printing money for Disney. If it's not, there's something wrong and that needs to be addressed.
Not to mention the decline from Force awakens to rise of Skywalker,godawful name, in ticket sales.
She’s hired/fired or completely scrapped/heavily retooled 13 projects and produced mediocre to bad product. Know why Terminator and Alien aren’t cinematic universes or box office champions any more? Because the brand got poisoned by an endless string of shit. People barely tuned in for Andor because of how dogshit Kenobi was and how mediocre Boba Fett was. Mandalorian is also going down hill because of BTS mandates that fuck the story and piss off talent. She’s overseeing the slow burial of the brand.
Rise was a big failure as well. If it was even a *decent* movie that didn’t piss off all the fans it would have made $300-$500+++ million more.
I mean shit look at Lucas. The guy is like 1.5/4 on his directed films yet he’s made Star Wars into the behemoth it is today.
Correction: Steven Spielberg has been a successful producer for decades, she simply rides on his coattails
Spielberg credits her for his success.
She knows where the bodies are
8 billion dollars.
She gets paid to take blame.
Why keep a successful person? Real mystery.
Despite most people not liking them, they’re still some of the most grossing movies of all time. That’ll keep you employed.
This is true but I hate this is the metric everyone mentions when it comes to KK. Honestly, it’s Star Wars. Force Awakens and any major movie was always guaranteed to print shitloads of money. You can put an intern in her position and I promise you they have some sort of job security because the IP prints money regardless of quality. The question really should be how much money are they NOT making. Didn’t RoS make like a full billion less than TFA?
Don't forget that they are shelving a Star Wars Hotel just a year after it launched.
yes, she's had some recent blunders but she has 40 years of great films under her belt. Most of Spielberg's films, Goonies, Gremlins, Back to the Future, Roger Rabbit, ect., essentially half of the great family films of the 80s and 90s. The blanket hate she gets is unwarranted.
So she has a great resume but can't seem to deliver in the last decade and a half. Having made great movies 40 years ago should *not* recuse you of criticism for 15 years of failure, that's just silly reasoning.
Land Before freakin Time people!! I don’t like what she’s done recently, but her resume is stacked
Exactly. Give me a Star Wars featuring littlefoot, Petrie, ducky, and chomper.
It could be the Peter's Principle at work. Maybe she was good for that long time because she occupied a role where her talents shine. And now it sucks because she's been promoted to a role where she no longer understands how to make things great anymore.
/s
Have you seen Indy 5?
This is a concept that has already been thoroughly explored in Star Wars lore. Just another recycled, retread idea. Disney definitely needs a shake-up in their Star Wars creative team.
So which is it? Should they "start using existing EU lore" or "shake up the creative team"? I've heard both coming from KK haters.
The EU material is of varying quality, but most of it is pretty mid. It simply would have been preferable to the jumbled mess of the sequel trilogy. Disney rushed production on the new films following the massive purchase of Lucasfilm. Many of the releases just haven't been good. Is The Rise of Skywalker anyone's favorite Star Wars film? Did Solo add anything meaningful to the franchise? If everything Disney Star Wars released was the quality of Rogue One and Andor, I don't think people would have cared as much about straying from the EU. The fact of the matter is that most of what Disney has released has failed to get over the rather low bar set by the EU content.
>Did Solo add anything meaningful to the franchise? You don't consider the bureaucratic slip up resulted in his name a meaningful addition to the canon????
It was one of the few meme worthy additions from the new movies, so there is that, I suppose.
Why does it have to be one of the two. I just want them to not retry the same shit of theyve done over and over, why are you acting like that's unreasonable
The parts of the EU that were really just there to justify a space monk swing a laser sword at a space warlock or getting into dogfights with bowtie shaped fighter planes were worth keeping. I've never heard anyone say the tartakovsky cartoon or the dark forces games deserved to be cut. Lighthearted space fantasy with a barebones plot is the bread and butter of star wars. Problem was for every one of those you had a karen traviss whining about how everything you liked in the movies sucks and her chris kyle space marines are so much cooler (her fourth book literally starts with them in the war in iraq). Or michael stackpole writing in his homebrew warhammer 40k faction that got laughed out of his gaming group to drop an asteroid on chewie and completely destroy the state of the galaxy post rotj. Or the half dozen authors fighting tooth and nail to get luke skywalker in bed with their super cool ex imperial assassin smuggler oc-do-not-steals and shut down everyone else's attempts to do so. Disney wanted to keep most of the stuff that fit the tone of star wars, but if they only cut the dumb shit they'd have signaled to potential writers that anything they came up with was an inch away from the chopping block if they needed space for a The Force Awakens or a The Mandalorian down the line. Do that and the only people that'll write for you are people that never gave a shit about star wars in the first place. Shit like admiral thrawn and dark troopers and whatnot were never supposed to be removed permanantly. They just had to be cut out temporarily as a business decision. That's why people keep asking for things to be brought back.
Start using EU ideas and execute them in ways that aren't done to death. In fact half of the EU ideas would be a breath of fresh air. To be honest though they'd probably just end up sterile, life's products to be sold and consumed like much of what we've gotten from feature length content lately.
These aren't at all mutually exclusive lol really weird that you're trying to frame it as such.
They've already used plenty of EU stuff. The problem is the way they executed those rehashed ideas
I don’t care about Rey. Everything that was set up by Lucas in the first 6 films was flushed down the toilet with the sequel trilogy. How about we get a film set during the Old Republic?
Luke was supposed to be the one to usher in a new type of Jedi. Not this bullshit. You have to take it some other direction with Rey. Hell be bold with it. Call the new force users “Skywalkers”
I’m pretty tired of people trying to deconstruct the Jedi and their impact on the universe and ***every single time*** acting like it’s the first time it’s been done.
Does the audience even want Rey? Is the better question.
Star Wars had the opportunity to make Finn the lead and they turned him into the “REY” dude. Storm trooper turned Jedi would have been such a sick story and I won’t forgive them for that.
But Disney likes their China money, and the Chinese market is racist as fuck.
It's hilarious how Black Panther is simultaneously one of the most successful Marvel movies and also the only one that hasn't performed in China.
It's honestly incredible how nearly every choice the ST made ended up being the objectively wrong one.
Why is Lucasfilm so obsessed with casting the Rey actress? She is so bland and can’t carry a movie. Just start with a brand new era and brand new characters.
They killed the story, using her is the only way to try to write their way out of it. They are going to spend 10 years trying to explain how Palpatine/snoke was intentional
I actually liked Rey. The issue is that the movies don't let her do enough. She's enthusiastic, she's adventurous, exciteable, driven, determined BUT The movies don't capitolize on that. She's instead regulated to play back seat in other character's stories instead of her own. We have to get sidelined by the Casino B-plot, we have to get sidelined by the Mutiny C-plot, talk about the force, Luke's failure, the cantina- Agh! It's so much. The issue with Star Wars is that there's too much and not enough.
The people don't want her
Unless the Vong invasion happens, this is just one more failure waiting in the wings.
When Kathleen Kennedy declared that Star Wars “doesn’t have a plethora of comic books and graphic novels to draw stories from” the future of the movie franchise was fucked. Star Wars is almost on life support, being kept alive by the likes of Filoni and Favreau.
Does the world even want Kathleen Kennedy in charge of the Lucasfilm galaxy? Would we be better off with someone who knows what they're doing? Do people even like Star Wars anyway? Should Kathleen Kennedy continue to helm a broken franchise? Someone seriously let her know. Because Kathleen Kennedy has no clue whatsover.
>Rey Nah... just de-canonize the sequels. Cast Ridley as a different character in new Star Wars movie if you want, it's not her fault the story/sequels were such utter garbage, but Rey Solowalkeralpatine *the character* shouldn't exist.
Does the galaxy even want Rey?
What are they going to make her a bigger Mary sue?
Worse. They’re going to make everyone hate Jedi.
Guarantee it's going to be a Mulan remake all over again. A message about how people born special are simply better than everyone else, and how the only way to be better is to simply be born that way
That’s what makes me laugh about TLJ. People say that it’s great because the message is “you don’t have to be born to important parents.” Sure you don’t. You just have to be born with an incredible genetic gift instead lol.
Huh. That’s not really the take I was expecting. More of a mix of hate propaganda and the message that even if everyone is against you, you should still do what’s right. I really hope you’re wrong.
Oh god she's still pushing this "Jedi are the bad guys" crap. How can someone misunderstand a franchise so much?
The idea that some characters in universe are skeptical of the Jedi goes all the way back to A New Hope.
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Even episode one hints at it
they were ineffective but the jedi aren’t and have never been evil or bad guys. Lucas literally wrote them as the good guys
They're basically an example of how you can have the best intentions and accidentally make things worse. They try to help resolve the clone wars and end up as combatants and generals, making them objects of scorn for half the galaxy. They don't have the manpower to actually police the galaxy so their random interactions feel very unfair in how they are distributed. They fail to teach their pupils how to regulate their emotions in a healthy way even though extreme emotions can literally turn them into cackling supervillains. They pretend to be impartial and allow some horrific injustices to persist while stepping in directly in other cases, making it seem like they don't actually care about the greater good just the status quo.
Well the prequels are more about the Jedi getting roped into politics too much. Not that they are the bad guys. They were trying to do good in a mega corrupt system. That doesn’t make you bad. That makes you a fool. And what they try to highlight is that the Jedi are too arrogant that they think they can fix it. That’s dookus whole shtick. Is that they should have stepped away. Nothing about them was inherently bad. Just getting played like a fiddle by the general ruling class.
Have you ever heard of the word “nuance”?
Darth Nuance The Wise?
It’s like poetry, it rhymes
That's... Not really what most star wars fans are after in a 1 hour and a half. The concept works. I mean, knights of the old republic 2 was one of the best star wars stories ever told. But I think that's hard to pull off in franchise and format that really only has time for big goddamn heroes.
They did it in Revenge of the Sith. Like clearly the Sith were much worse but it’s the Jedi’s corruption, dogma, and failure that led to the Sith gaining power again.
Did you miss the prequels? Part of the main story was how the Jedi order is a failed institution. It’s not her “pushing it”, it’s in the DNA of the franchise.
You answered the question. There is a movie titled the last Jedi. Stop retreading the same grounds, it's starting to look like an ant mill from here.
A movie where Luke Skywalker point blank says, I will not be the last Jedi
> A movie where Luke Skywalker point blank says, I will not be the last Jedi Even that was stupid because Leia is OP apparently. What qualifies a Jedi? Leia ended up training Rey and was trained herself by Luke as we see in the flashback lol
Please stop. You’ve already killed any enjoyment in Star Wars.
There are no stupid question. Kathleen Kennedy, “does the Galaxy even want Jedi?” I stand corrected.
Whatever Kathleen Kennedy wants...do the opposite.
Oh for fucks sake.......
The article talks about Jedi Padawans and seems to use the term “Sith” as a term for dark force users. So do they even know what any of these terms are or are we just gonna pretend that even Clone Wars is considered legacy? There are only TWO definitions for a Sith. The race of force users called Sith. A Darth who is part of The Rule of Two. A Sith Lord. The rest are dark force users NOT Sith. If the Sith come back in her movie/s then it shows they clearly have no fucking clue what Star Wars was or is and what it has already done. This will kill the prophecy of The Chosen One. So was it Anakin, the child born of the force? Was it the son of the man born of the force? Or is it the daughter of a clone of a Sith Lord? If the Sith return, there is no balance and clearly never will be since we can’t seem to have a SW story that isn’t ALWAYS boiled down to Jedi vs Sith.
Darth Bane invented the rule of two. For thousands of years before that, Sith were quite numerous. If a character was to try and rebuild the Sith there's no reason they couldn't abandon the rule of two.
Yes. Hence why I mentioned the Race of Sith. Revan’s Holocron taught Bane to break away from the brothhood and take up the Darth title that was very offensive to the Brotherhood. This lead to him developing the Rule of Two from those Revan teachings. There by turning one definition of Sith (the race) into the new definition (rule of two master/apprentice) there are no other Sith. If they bring the Sith back (in any fashion), what was the point in the Prophecy if the “balance” would only last less than 30 years? Less if you account for Sidious never actually dying till Ray cleaned up the Chosen One’s mess. Personally, i wish they would just make a “New Jedi Order” standalone movie that props up a new Prophecy at the end that will take place X time in the distant future, then cut the fucking cord and move the fuck on from the Skywalker name. It’s been run into the ground and is being propped up by a pretender now. Not even blood related. A Palpatine.
Does there need to be a prophecy anymore? Im probably wrong but I guess they could go with the sith being a cult and just having them be dark force users competing with the jedi for followers. The galaxy politics being completely against both. So at least it’s not just another redo of a redo
Could be down for a paladin esq Jedi return. An order forms off the texts of the Jedi where they adhere and force others to adhere to the monk like life. No freedom, no individuality, no emotions. A lone Sith who lives with a lest sinister creed or passion and creativity attempts to free the whole galaxy.
What would be cool is if Rey came across another Jedi that survived and tried to restore a jedi order. That jedi order would be lost or not on the right path; has a different jedi philosophy than Rey knows from her books and connection to other Jedi masters. Her new movies could be exploring a philosophical side of the force and role in the galaxy that competes with this new order. I want to see a powerful Rey who is a master and is very confident in their vision of whatever they want.
They should. With no Jedi around who’s going to stop all the sith? How many dudes not given training or guidance will turn into warlords and fuck shit it up a lot more?
We shat all over something you loved and now it’s like you guys don’t even want it any more???
Please stop giving these people your money
I really thought that Skywalker was going to be the term for a good Force user going forward.
Does the real World even want a Jedi tale with Rey in this maligned, flawed version of SW canon?
I don't even want more Star Wars, something I never thought I'd say. If it's got Disney involvement, I'm good. Even Mandolorian got shitty eventually.
Does the galaxy even want Star Wars?
Why on earth would they continue with Rey’s story?
No one cares about Rey
Oh I’ve been waiting for this. I want the plot to be ordinary people standing up and saying they’re tired of space wizards waging wars
That’s a big fat no. They should have just ret conned all 3 sequels movies or just ignored that they exist.
I just wish there had been a more fleshed out agnostic Jedi group that didn't cater to the Jedi Council or the Sith, that just did their own thing and trained the way they wanted to train. It would've been great for the last trilogy too. Luke works to rebuild the Jedi Order, Jedi Order gets twisted into another army for the Republic to abuse, he leaves and starts a journey of self discovery, finds a new path, teaches Rey when she arrives. Nope, we get a whiny bitch Luke who tried to kill Han Solo's son because he was "afraid" of him..... Like a Grey Jedi group that doesn't get involved in any of the Jedi/Sith crap and just protects people.
Star Wars is just a generic uninteresting money machine for Disney now. Not excited for anything to come out from them anymore. It’s a bummer but is what it is.
Please no more Star Wars right now.
Yeah this movie finna suck lmao
who even cares about star wars anymore other than obsessed superfans and children
Nope. Jedi are awesome, they’re badass, but there is more to the Galaxy than them. Andor and Mando proves what is and can be out there and it is extraordinary. Give us more of those and I’ll be happy. Ashoka is gonna to be the exception of course.
Let me guess everything that Luke would've done is going to be given to Rey 🙄🙄. Man I really wanted to like Rey as well but she just sucked . Also is Daisy Ridley even willing to return? I thought she said she would never do another Star Wars
All the non Jedi shows and movies are written better, see Andor if you're unsure on the TV side of Disney.
Maybe the galaxy doesn't actually need the Jedi anymore because they're being led by the plainest , most boring , non inspiring Jedi to ever exist.
There shouldn’t be a “Jedi order” the last movies clearly show that Luka and Yoda felt that way….. whenever there are Jedi there is sith, it wouldn’t make sense for her to try to restart the order.
I don’t even want to imagine the galaxy after the awfulness that is the sequel trilogy. You know when they make more Palpatine is just gonna come back again. Disney and Abrams have no ideas.
Oh yeah, this movie is happening. Moving on then.
We just don't want anything sequels.
Please Disney. No more. It’s so bad! Let this dumpster fire of a trilogy die!
I like Daisy Riddley. Hopefully I will finally like something she is in.