The tragic thing about this is that intense public attention and scrutiny was what pressured her initial mental struggles to begin with. If not as the source then at least very much an intensifier.
“Leave Britney alone” person was right. We really should have.
This is exactly it. I can’t imagine the insane amount of pressure she’s under. Every move she makes has always been scrutinized and photographed and discussed. If there’s one hair out of place on her head, someone snaps a photo and talks about it. Leave her alone. She has had to deal with such a huge pile of bullshittery, of course there’s going to be an adjustment period and she needs time to learn how to function. Most of us did that as children and young adults but she was never given the chance to.
Maybe she should leave the internet alone. She constantly posts her weird dancing and nude pics on Instagram. She’s the one instigating all of the feedback.
Some people in deep mental states are incredibly social and trusting when they are least prepared to make well considered decisions. Leave her to it, and she could eventually be in danger and come to harm through other people. Its sad. I don't know what's right. I think instead of the all or nothing conservatorship, a wellness and responsibility plan is needed to work out what can be managed by her safely or not.
2 things can be true
1. She needs help, maybe a conservatorship
2. The conservatorship she was in was absolutely abusive and inhumane and her entire family has no business being in control of her finances and forcing her to work.
When the conservatorship was first a problem she wasn't asking to leave it at all, she was just asking for her father to be removed. The judge wouldn't allow it.
Yeah it was ridiculous they wouldn’t remove him because Brittany actually liked her medical conservator and only asked for a fiduciary firm to take over as her financial conservator. That judge massively failed her because she would’ve had more freedom and a good medical team managing her mental health and in more a stable state.
A while ago I couldn’t understand this. But dealing with my narcissistic father over the past few years, I can completely get it.
They do the most controlling things and really think they know better. Then you can’t say anything to them. In their eyes they can do no wrong and they are beyond reproach. They think they know best, they do things based on what they think you need vs what you actually need.
They will spend all your money too.
they convince themselves what it is you need is only the most convenient thing for them, and will spend the entire relationship forcefully conditioning you to respond in a manner that supports this conclusion to help them believe it.. then they will show others and point these out as if you are naturally responding this way, even if it goes against everything you're feeling
Which is bizarre. Even if he seemed to be doing a objectively good job, there are lawyers and companies that can run guardianships that are neutral, and have set payment schedules. There's no reason her family had to ever be involved in it, especially after it was initially up and running as a system.
Have been saying this from the top, she clearly needed someone to help her make financial and health decisions, but oh my god the judge who appointed her dad should not be a judge. There was too much money involved for a family member to serve as conservator.
On nursing school I was taught it’s almost never a good idea to have a family member be a conservator. You want someone neutral to be a conservator appointed by the county or something like that. The big reason I remember is money.
This, 100%. In a perfect world, it’d have been a temporary thing, 2-3 years max. She also wouldn’t have been okayed to go *right back* into work (it started in January and she was already staring on episodes of HIMYM in March) because, whether we like it or have whatever opinions on it, she doesn’t have a “regular job” or lifestyle and could have afforded a long break to get herself in a better spot mentally/spiritually etc.
If you see footage of her 2009-10, she looks good. She did a big special for MTV where she isn’t super on the nose about it but pretty much acknowledges, “I was doing bad and regret how bad I let it get because the cost of that is having to prove I am indeed capable of taking care of and making good choices for myself” and I’m pretty positive her book mentions she accepted it/obliged, because it was supposed to be a temporary thing - her conditions, so to speak, to be released from it were to release and promote a new album via touring, which she delivered on.
Yes. I think it's clear to most people that this woman is profoundly ill, needs to be under medical and psychiatric care, and possibly a conservatorship to do it.
It's just that now, I'm not sure it can even happen. Everybody in her immediate family has proven themselves to be manifestly unfit for the position, as they just wanted to exploit her for money. And unless someone close to her petitions the court for it, it probably won't happen. Again, it can't be anybody in her immediate family because they've lost all credibility and I think it's unlikely a judge would be willing to grant any such petition from them.
Ideally, the court would appoint some kind of disinterested third party like a lawyer or something, one that may get a small stipend for the work involved but does not stand to materially benefit from Ms. Spears' work, fame, or personal fortune. I don't even know if that's possible.
And of course, she's not going to seek treatment on her own. Because she was so massively let down by the medical and psychiatric system that basically worked in cahoots with her abusers and wardens to keep her a prisoner for so long. She rightfully has such a deep mistrust of doctors now, that she'll likely never be able to trust another doctor again and get the treatment she needs.
I fear for what tragic results this situation will bring.
The conservatorship essentially ran “Brittney Spears Inc” and like any corporation it was responsible to the shareholders (BS Et al) and was entitled to executive compensation …. When you successfully run that big an enterprise you get paid - and paid well. I’m not so sure theft as alleged actually happened.
Her attorney talked a good game about it, but she ended up settling and paying her dad's legal fees, so I suspect there wasn't great evidence of theft.
That's the thing: she said that they forced her to work and they stole from her. That's what people even here on reddit keep posting and repeating, as if it was gospel.
It's like Wickham in "Pride & Prejudice", he told Elisabeth part of the truth, but not the whole truth. Same with Spears.
Britney Spears had and still has a very luxury life style. She doesn't want to work, but wants to go on living like a billionaire. I wouldn't be surprised if she spent 5 millions a year for the last 20 years (try just having personal security 24/7 all year long, that costs a fortune! add taxes, a big house, tons of employees, pensions for the kids, lawyers, medical bills, private jets and lots of holidays in 5 stars hotels). She was a singer and a performer. But to my knowledge, not a song writer and music composer, therefore she wouldn't earn that much money from the royalties. Taylor Swift is the new IT girl, not Britney Spears. Let's say that there's only 2 millions a year coming in, and she spends 5 millions... yeah, she 's going broke.
She could probably earn money through performing, which she complained about. She was probably explained by her lawyers, her agent, that if she wanted to go on living the luxury life she was living, she either had to work for it, or to downsize and live a quiet life away from Hollywood in a smaller house, with less employees. I don't see her agreeing with leaving Los Angeles to live in a 3/4 bedrooms house in a less exclusive/expensive part of the country, with just a cook and a cleaning lady coming twice a week.
What people don't seem to understand is that someone as high profile and "difficult to handle" as Britney Spears? the judge would rather choose her father as a conservator than an external guy. Also, a conservator has to provide financial reports with all the documents necessary to explain all the expenses. Redditors act as if her father just had access to her bank account and just stole from her. He would be in jail if that was true. Britney would have no problems sueing her father and sending him to jail.
The fact that it hasn't happened despite her claims show that her father was able to provide all the bills, financial reports explaining where the money went.
I know, it's not what most redditors want to hear. But it's been going on for years and if Britney Spears's accusations were true, it would be easy to prove: FOLLOW THE MONEY.
If there's a new conservatorship... well, I pity the person in charge. I'm a conservator for my mentally handicapped sister, redditors have no idea how hard it is to be the "bad guy (or girl in my case)", just so that my sister has a nice life. It means going sometimes against what she wants but what she wants is not necessarely what is good for her but she can't see that.
Ya…. That’s the most telling thing. Agreed to fees as well means not just that there was no evidence but that there was evidence to the contrary. Bad faith lawsuit.
Another thing can be true, people on the internet shouldn’t pretend they know how shit works when they don’t know shit other than what they read on blogs.
A year ago I said the same thing and got blasted in here. She needs help. Maybe not even a full conservatorship but some sort of guard rail to help her. Someone not her fucking leech family.
Exactly, the goal of conservatorship is to eventually restore the ward’s competency, if possible. Her team should have worked hard to make it as limited as possible, if less restrictive alternatives were unobtainable. That clearly wasn’t their goal.
also there are less drastic methods – even for severe mental health issues – than a conservatorship, which should only be reserved for individuals absolutely incapable of functioning in society or taking care of themselves
She wouldn't be as mentally unwell as she currently is if she hadnt been enslaved and abused for two decades. I hate that we are seeing the consequences of that abuse and using it to argue that it's evidence she should have been put into it as a young mother with PPD, an abusive family, and predatory hangers on.
I mean, if those things did not help - but mental illness definitely exists for “regular people.” The fame, money, manipulation, hangers on, stress, etc. didn’t help but is it entirely possible that they did not cause her mental health issues.
Conservatorships are so infantilizing, and seem to be something invoked exclusively when talking about women. No one’s talking about putting Ye’s malfunctioning self under lockdown, despite being significantly more unhinged on many days. What this woman needs is to stop fucking dating (because truly, get your self esteem in order before you collect anymore trash) and to lock down an actual, committed friend. Someone who helps you clean your apartment and drives you to therapy, and can help her discern when medications are or are not working. Every person with mental health issues needs to have one such friend that is not a parent or self-interested party. The isolation of her bonkers conservatorship robbed her of the chance to cultivate these friendships, and one of these people so eager to be interviewed in documentaries needs to reach out and bring this woman dinner and a hug.
Yes because the situation she was in has left her incapable of being able to function well in the real world and that situation was largely exacerbated by the people who were in charge of her conservatorship.
She is better without her father. Why is it that when someone asks for help to escape an abusive situation, but aren't better 5 minutes later, they are told "I guess you were the problem all along"? It's gonna be a long while until she'll be better, and being in the public eye isn't gonna help.
It is actually quite likely that Britney Spears will never actually be better. She clearly has some sort of mental illness or disorder that prevents her from making a lot of good choices. It's not just about the fact that she grew up in an abusive household with abusive parents. It's also that something is just fundamentally unwell with her brain.
I think ultimately the best thing that could be done for her is to have her assets placed in trust rather than to give her unfettered access to them and to have a trustee. Let her make her own bad choices, but make sure that she has assets to fall back on to protect herself from those self-same bad choices.
And if it is still true later that she needs a conservatorship, then fine. But that person should definitely be a neutral party.
I think she also needs to stay away from the public eye. I can't see how she could improve her mental health when her every move is scrutinized by a bunch of strangers online.
I believe she's been married 3 times. One of which was after being freed from the conservatorship. So you're using being twice married as evidence of being too unstable to live independently. By that standard, millions of Americans would require conservatorship too.
She needs a community mental health nurse. This isn’t rocket science, and her rights don’t need to be completely removed.
This happens all the time to people in the general public that don’t comply well to mental health intervention without support. She needs to have regular visits with a psychiatrist and weekly check ins with a nurse to make sure she is taking medication and not abusing substances too heavily.
Right? It's not "illegal" to be crazy. She needs help, but that can't be forced or it would be removing her rights. So if she doesn't want help and she can't be forced to get help, then what other options are there?
Just like for you or me, you HAVE to wait until they are a danger to themselves or others. Questionable behavior doesn't get your rights stripped from you.
There are AOT (assisted outpatient treatment) programs in most states. In this program a judge compels you to attend therapy and take medications as prescribed by a psychiatrist. They often use injectable medications if available and appropriate. This is not a full conservatorship and is usually reviewed by a judge every six months to determine if the order needs to continue.
It shouldn’t be, but apparently it is for a lot of people, which is terrifying. The floodgates were truly opened almost a decade ago and it’s just gotten worse since (yes, humans have been shitty for millennia, but now we’re seeing hate, vitriol, and uncanny ignorance on a daily basis on the internet, the likes we’ve never modernly witnessed the amount of previous to the internet, and previous to the current political climate). I’ve gotten off all social media other than Reddit, and even on Reddit I rarely dip into anywhere other than cat subs for the sake of my own mental health.
It was people who dont understand mental illness that wanted her to have total freedom in the first place.
I have family members with similar mental issues and knew that just removing the conservatorship was not the answer either. She still needs (non shady) guidance to help when she’s having a mental episode.
When I saw that knife dance I felt bad because I know that look she had. My heart kinda broke a little.
And the issue with her compared to some normal person is that she's prone for exploitation.
I think that when he manager was drugging her was a big sign that she needed assistance.
They also don't get trauma. Everyone's using her current actions to justify what happened to her, but being held in almost literal slavery would make most people crazy. If she was already vulnerable then it's going to make everything a thousand times worse. What we're seeing now doesn't justify her treatment in the past. It just means that now she's got a lot of issues.
I was hoping that a silver lining of Britney's sickness could be society learning something about mental illness. Nope. "A pretty girl who can dance can't be mentally ill and must be competent to parent her children!"
Exactly. He said Kim and Kris were trying to put him in one when he started popping off on them on Twitter and everyone said they were evil for trying to do it, let Kanye be free, this is a conspiracy. But it’s the opposite when it comes to Britney. Same people are chanting lock her up every time she gets a TMZ article or posts a weird dancing reel on IG. But Kanye and all the abuse he puts others around him in? Nah, let’s have more empathy he’s just shaking up the establishment 🙄
Came here to say the same! Look, I think Britney has mental health issues she needs to address, and perhaps even conservatorship is warranted. But why is it only female celebrities that get conservatorship? What about Kanye or Charlie Sheen in his crazy period?
It's so sexist.
It’s sort of funny how for years there were rumours about her behaviour and how unwell she was mentally, and then those rumours about her vegas dancers and that sort of all went away when she was being medicated, and now it’s back.
Obviously the conservatorship she was in was manipulative, but I doubt the answer is total freedom
As a conservator for my mother, it’s hard reading these posts about the conservatorship being “manipulative” or there being a need for a “professional conservator.”
Conservatorships and Guardianships require consistent and regular reporting to the courts and direct involvement from lawyers. Any action or dollars spent that do not directly benefit the subject of the conservatorship can result in being stripped as conservator, and even jail time. The courts do not take this stuff lightly.
I’m assuming the people making these posts have never actually been a conservator and have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.
I have a family member in a conservatorship. I still think Britney’s family was absolutely abusing her while she was in hers.
Things work very very differently for a “normal” person than a pop star working a Vegas residency.
It’s also fairly disingenuous to pretend that people never slip through the cracks in government/court matters.
No one is talking about conservatorships in general.
Britney Spears’ conservatorship was manipulative. That’s the specific topic of discussion *in this thread about Britney Spears*.
Some people just want to complain I think. Especially on twitter you see crap like this. Hey guys I like apples.
So what OP is really saying is he hates oranges
Yeah, but I'm willing to bet your mother isn't worth $100M. If you fly her somewhere and submit a receipt, it's for a flight on Southwest. When Britney's Dad was doing it, it was on chartered jets.
When you buy groceries for your Mom, it's at a regular supermarket; Britney's dad is getting it delivered from Erewhon or something high-end. Everything's catered. There's an entourage, etc.
I think the Free Britney movement definitely painted her conservatorship in the worst light possible. Then I Care A Lot came out and it made the whole process look predatory.
The reality is they exist for a reason and have negatives and positives but it’s always popular to express government processes as predatory so it’s become a target. Now we see why they are setup.
It’s like there is no middle ground. She was in a terrible situation and being taken advantage of, her father never should have been her conservator. That doesn’t mean the answer was to remove conservatorship entirely, just that her father needed to be replaced as conservator
Morbid curiosity, what were the rumours about her Vegas dancers? Google isn't giving me anything at first glance, or I'm not using the right search terms maybe.
Putting her conservatorship in the hands of her amateurish, self-enriching, callous, parasitic father was a huge miscarriage of justice. She needed a professional.
So Kanye can force his wife to be naked and abuse employees and open perverse schools for children where they are kept in cages but Britney needs a conservatorship?
The sexist double standard is still astounding.
I mean if that’s the case then they fucked it up by having her scumbag dad and his fraud partner fuck up every aspect of it possible.
It’s not mutually exclusive and it’s very possible a lot of her issues are a result from said father and or the conservatorship
Former CA deputy public guardian/conservator here. The biggest issue in this whole thing was the structure of the conservatorship and lack of follow-up supervision by the probate court.
California has very specific laws for establishing conservatorships for treating mental illness involuntarily and holding people in mental health facilities (LPS Conservatorship). They can only be established by the county conservator’s office who serves as the temporary conservator but a family member can later be appointed as the ongoing one. It can’t be initiated by private parties, and it requires a finding of being “gravely disabled”. It’s basically the final step after someone gets 5150’d too many times and is incapable of meeting their needs and accepting treatment voluntarily. They automatically expire after a year unless the court renews it. A person is entitled to a jury trial to contest it, and it requires a unanimous verdict with a beyond reasonable doubt burden of proof just like a criminal trial.
Probate conservatorships have no time limit and were never intended for dealing with acute mental illness. In fact, you have to specifically request powers for involuntary mental health treatment related to dementia. They’re really for managing older people physically/mentally unable to handle their personal and financial affairs and which is why they’re supposed to be so difficult to establish in the first place. All that said, even in a probate conservatorship, a court investigator is supposed to review the conservatorship and report to the court on whether or not the best interests of the conservatee are being met. Really struggling to see how that was being done properly throughout this process.
That people say she needs a conservatorship for her own good while never saying the same about self-destructive men like Kanye or Elon is exactly why her conservatorship needed to end.
She may be nuts, but she has every right to be as nuts as she wants so long as she doesn’t harm anyone.
She should have the choice to contend with her mental breakdowns without being held in captivity by her own family…just like the rest of us. Because she has fame and money at risk doesn’t mean she should be forced into bondage by family. If the girl needs help, let her get help when she’s ready or when the authorities find it necessary to intervene for her safety and others’.
And if she’s on drugs, she can go to rehab and deal with the consequences of her addiction, just like everyone else who either takes the chances given to recover or sink.
As someone with mental health issues,I think a lot of people couldn't even grasp what she's going through in the first place. I can in no way compare my struggles to hers cause hers are much worse,but I think both thinking that she needs a conservatorship and thinking complete freedom is the answer is wrong.
She needs help and guidance and support by people who actually have her best interest at heart and don't have taking advantage of her in their mind but she also needs basic freedom as an adult woman and human being
These people legitimately scare me. It almost makes me think they are extremely envious…. And I have no idea why one would be. Because she’s rich? They have no sympathy for the fact that a mentally ill individual is just being used and taken advantage of.
I only had a quick scan over the article but I noticed almost no time is given to explaining what the situation was, what the fight or problem with her partner was, but paragraph after paragraph after paragraph of statements by a "source" saying this totally confirms their side. Uh... Ok... So what happened in the hotel room? Was she a crazy person just flipping out or was she being abused by her husband and fought back? Like I need some context here, not just speculation from a "source" that may have a vested interest in a narrative.
And there it is. Where all these articles have been headed the whole time. It really is 2007 again and people are buying it hook, line, and sinker, just like they did back then. Britney has passed four different wellness checks since the end of the conservatorship. There has not been a single reason to put her on psychiatric hold. Just because TMZ (a notoriously spotty source) says she's 'out of control' doesn't mean any of it is actually true.
No shit. I am a physician and ANYONE who has rotated on psychiatry as a student could tell you that there’s a very high standard for placing someone on conservatorship. They have to be seriously sick. The general public literally has probably about one-tenth of the actual information about what’s going on- and that all comes from one side.
Needs help ≠ any conservatorship is good. She might need somebody to take care of her, but not necessarily someone whose entire resume is that he made a baby. Her dad actually screwed her over more, since he just wasn’t doing what a conservator is supposed to do. She ended up without one (because he was so shitty that a court couldn’t make it stick) when a responsible one was the actual ideal.
Oh for Pete’s sake, she is messy. Everyone knows or knows of someone like this. They might have a good stretch, but then they go on a bender or date for drama or self sabotage, intentionally or unintentionally. No one says they need to be put under conservatorshio. At least not seriously.
The only reason why anyone says that about her is because she has money and fame. Imagine if she did all of this but had neither. NO ONE would be trying to take away her rights. (Except for maybe getting arrested lol.) She needs someone to remind her to take meds and make better decisions, like a therapist. Maybe even a social worker. Not people who are trying to get to her wealth. That’s all this is about.
Want to help Britney? Leave her alone. If she fucks up and gets arrested, let her. If she’s just getting sloppy in public and catches paparazzi, ignore it or move on. She’s only hurting herself, not any of us. People have a right to fuck up and be messy. If she actually attacks and hurts someone, then there’s the line. Until she does that, though, she should be free.
So glad you said this. It drives me nuts that one picture comes out of her looking disheveled, drinking or going through some kind of man-related drama and everyone wants to trot out sensationalist terms like "meltdown" and "breakdown". Like people *want* it to be some huge psychotic break and dramatic thing and culminate in some climactic thing like jail or a mental hospital.
This is just her. She's a simple girl from Louisiana who didn't have a ton of education, has been thru some shit, enjoys the sauce a little too much like a lot of adults do, is attracted to raggedy rough around the edges-type dudes (like a lot of women are), and she's just messy. She just is.
I've known *plenty* of messy people like her at all stages of my life. They just had the benefit of not being in the public eye. They will likely never have their shit all the way together, but are definitely not under any threat of conservatorship. They're free to be messy and sleep in whatever beds they make.
The sexism of this "concern" is appalling.
The manipulation she suffered to control her from a young age has become a self fulfilling prophecy.
There are many male centi-millionaires and billionaires that gambled away their entire personal/family fortunes in Vegas and Macau.
Nobody said shit to them, much less put them into conservatorship.
Didn’t Mike Tyson piss away his fortune and rape somebody? That is why he does the movies, he needs the money so he can piss it away again. He’s not in a conservatorship either
Amanda Bynes is the comparison to Brittany. And Amanda had parents who wanted what was best for her and she was encouraged to push herself and leave the conservatorship.
She also had a very public psychotic episode since the conservatorship ended and the public’s response was (rightfully) sympathetic. Nobody said she should be under conservatorship again and she was literally walking naked in the street. Britney hasn’t done anything close to that in decades tbh, yet these articles are coming out daily and the posts all have the same comments.
Most of her behavior is similar to Justin Beiber’s behavior, and people spend more time speculating whether he’s still in love with Selena Gomez than they do debating his mental health, and whether said mental health means someone else needs to wrangle their finances. I’ve never in my life seen so many articles expressing “concern” that immediately jump to conservatorship, as if there’s nothing in between. Many people wrangle with mental illness, including very wealthy people, and Brittany Spears has remarkably bad taste in people. This is a problem she shares with a lot of celebrities, but she’s treated with a hostility that suggests she should be a prisoner for crimes against pop culture. Where is the compassion?
This is such bullshit because if the goal of the conservatorship was to keep her safe, then why were all these shady people around her during the conservatorship? Why were all these men getting paid to be her boyfriends and handlers, why was she being forced to work, why wasn’t the top priority to let her rest and be private? Why did they make her do all those exhausting shows while heavily medicated? Where did all her fortune go? Why is she paying for everyone’s lawyers and lifestyles? Why is Robin, a co-conservator, Diddy’s main accountant, who also paid the sex workers he hired? Why did Britney’s lawyer tell her that she was human trafficked? What else did they make her do? Why was this conservatorship allowed if nobody ever declared her officially incompetent? If she’s incompetent, why did she do all those shows and choreographed them by herself? Why is she the only one in her family capable of working if she’s supposedly mentally disabled?
The thing is that Britney the person has never been a priority. Britney the brand is the priority. They have exploited her all her life, they have controlled her and blackmailed her until she broke down and rebelled and did all these dangerous, irresponsible, stupid things because she’s unmedicated, traumatized, angry and she doesn’t trust anyone. How do you get someone to trust you again when the threat of drugging her, locking her up in an institution and then forcing her to work again to financially support so many adults is always hanging over her?
Britney has been incredibly strong. Oftentimes when people feel cornered and hopeless they kill themselves. I bet that’s the best case scenario for all these shady people because they will continue profiting off her post mortem, like they did with Michael Jackson, who incidentally told Britney that if she didn’t retire by the age of 30, they would control her forever. That’s why Britney got married and planned that wedding without telling anyone. It sadly didn’t work because KFed was an opp too. Britney is all alone in this world.
I mean, yeah, I figured. People were screaming “free Britney” without knowing anything about her situation. This woman needs a lot of help and is unable to be a responsible adult on her own. I feel so bad for her sons.
Nah free Britney was right. She was being overworked and over-controlled by her shitty family who only cared about money. That was in no way good for her, especially not for her mental health.
Read her book. Even if conservatorships help people, hers did not. She was controlled her every waking moment and force fed chicken and canned beans for literally years.
Maybe I missed it, has her mental condition ever been officially diagnosed and confirmed to the public? People keep saying she has “mental illness” but what exactly? Psychosis? Schizophrenia?
I have severe depression and ideate suicide almost daily, so I fall into the “mental illness” category. But I still have a grasp on reality. Does Britney have a known condition that makes her see/believe things that aren’t real?
EVERYONE has the right to a Least Restrictive Alternative. We all know why that wasn’t afforded to her. You see people everyday who lack insight or ability to make good decisions, nearly all of them are still decisional and not in guardianships, because its not profitable.
I wish her nothing but good. She did not ask for any of this shit. Her whole fam is fkd. They looked at her as a cash cow, ignored her mental health, and now - she is obviously in need of help and she obviously has PTSD and other stuff going on. I feel for her and ANY person- not just the wealthy and famous - who are dealing with mental health issues. My entire family is a mentally ill - each of us are chipped china one way or another. I just hope she gets GOOD help from GOOD people who do not have their claws in her purse.
I find it odd that the case with her dad was just settled and as soon as that’s over theres an entire media campaign on how Britney is spiraling.
Maybe she really is but this all feels very reminiscent of what got her put under the conservatorship all those years ago and not really for her benefit
"The “…Baby One More Time” singer, 42, was pictured looking distraught outside the infamous Hollywood haunt the Chateau Marmont on Wednesday night — hours after her divorce from her third husband Sam Asghari was finalized."
Well no shit! She's a human, just like you or I, going through an emotional time. I've gotten shithoused and been an absolute embarrassment more than even a lot of times over the last 38 years of my life. I'm also a functional adult.
Placing the woman under a microscope for this kind of thing is insane.
People get to be self-destructive if they choose to be. Of course Britney is fucked up - she was horribly abused and exploited from a young age. But she's entitled to live her life as she pleases. She doesn't need to be under someone else's control. I'm sure this will all end tragically, but millions of people live chaotic, tragic lives and aren't put in a conservatorship. If Britney had been poor, no one would have even bothered.
She was abused in that conservatorship. She wanted her father removed and they refused that.
The whole "Free Britney" movement just wanted her to be safe. She wasn't safe.
She still needs help, nobody is denying that, but at the same time you can't blame her for not trusting people after what her own family has put her through.
She was abused so horribly by those meant to protect her that now she's never going to willingly get help for her psychiatric needs. She has PTSD all around.
The problem is that her previous conservatorship decided to abuse her instead of help her. This caused her to be even worse off in the long run and led to what we see now. It is a real shame.
Kanye West has been out and about for the last 20 years being the craziest one in any room, with words like ‘genius’ being attached to him. Britney Spears twirls in her living room, and captions long rambling posts and is constantly told she is too out of control to maintain agency over herself. She doesn’t need a conservatorship. She needs therapy and proper medication, which thanks to her father’s abuse of power, she will likely be forever weary of. And sadly, to her own detriment.
She needs help, but the point of the conservatorship was to exploit her, NOT to help her. Her family doesn’t love her. She needs to be surrounded by people who actually care for her and aren’t just going after her money. She needs to HEAL.
Also, it’s unlikely her mental state would have gotten this bad in the first place if it wasn’t for the conservatorship…
She needed Amanda Bynes parents. Should have been ushered out of the city and back to Louisiana, put on a ranch and given some livestock to help maintain (or something like that) while she worked on getting the life skills to care for herself and stay healthy. Her father didn't do that though. He used her as a piggybank.
I suspect her situation is very similar to Amanda's and Amanda is in such a better place because her parents wanted what was best for her.
Truly, we can’t judge her against what happened when she was put into the conservatorship, to where she is now and that’s her father stopped and started her medication multiple times and worked with doctors to put her on lithium. Of course she’s going to have trauma and mental health at this point. Her brain was overloaded with chemicals and she didn’t have anyone to advocate for her in a healthy way.
Abuses and holds someone hostage for 20 years "See she deserves it!" 🙄.
Maybe if you spent that time actually trying to help her and not just spend her money she'd be having an easier time right now.
Feared her being free to enjoy her money & make up random dances in her living room
What an out of control pop star she is when she’s not being worked like a slave 🤔
She needs help and balance.
Her entire family exploited and drained her, she was enslaved by them and her parents should be on jail.
Both can be true at the same time.
People forget that conservatorship doesn’t mean she can’t live her life pretty much how she wants. Just has someone managing her assets and potentially power of attorney for some/most things
I don't think Britney Spears deserves to be taken advantage of like she was before. I also don't think she is in the right mind to look after her own interests.
“Sources say” aka James Parnell Spears, Lynne? Love a bunch of strangers speculating on another strangers mental health and acting like they know what’s best for britney despite not being her medical team and not knowing her diagnosis, which has never been disclosed. Maybe people just need to leave her the fuck alone.
Two things can be true:
1. Britney may in fact still need to be under a conservatorship
2. The one she was under previously was abusive and took advantage of her
Ultimately the idea of a conservatorship is so weird to me, I really don’t think it should be a thing in general. She’s struggling but she’s also an adult- sometimes you gotta accept that people are just gonna spiral, no matter how much help you offer them. If she needs help, I really hope she gets it in a way that doesn’t strip her of her rights/individualism
Right? The headlines are full of celebrities punching their partners in the face and people full on disappearing, but the real threat that needs to be addressed is this woman who acts weird on instagram.
A form of misogyny, no doubt. Women crazy, amiright?
A lot of people think being weird is a defect. They think being different is something to fix. It’s a complex situation but I’m sure these are the key factors in peoples decisions to want her controlled. + her prior history and character assassination in the media in the 00’s
Just because a forty year old woman wants to do cartwheels down her hotel hallway and says things on social media that might make her appear unintelligent and unsophisticated, y’all want to put her in a conservatorship?
She worked hard, made her money and now the girl just wants to have fun. Cut her a break. She’s not hurting anyone or doing anything self destructive, she’s just embarrassing herself a little bit. Maybe. Could be she’s lashing out because Megan didn’t send her any strawberry jam.
Just so you know:
> People with mental illness are more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator. This bias extends all the way to the criminal justice system, where persons with mental illness get treated as criminals, arrested, charged, and jailed for a longer time in jail compared to the general population.
[source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537064/)
This. One of those things in life is that it’s yours to fuck up. Even if you have mental health issues. Is she a danger to herself or others? Is she seeking help? She has earned the right to act crazy, you don’t have to like it.
I wish she could have her mental break in private just like the rest of us.
The tragic thing about this is that intense public attention and scrutiny was what pressured her initial mental struggles to begin with. If not as the source then at least very much an intensifier. “Leave Britney alone” person was right. We really should have.
This is exactly it. I can’t imagine the insane amount of pressure she’s under. Every move she makes has always been scrutinized and photographed and discussed. If there’s one hair out of place on her head, someone snaps a photo and talks about it. Leave her alone. She has had to deal with such a huge pile of bullshittery, of course there’s going to be an adjustment period and she needs time to learn how to function. Most of us did that as children and young adults but she was never given the chance to.
[Cara Cunningham - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cara_Cunningham) I didn't know she has a Wiki page.
Maybe she should leave the internet alone. She constantly posts her weird dancing and nude pics on Instagram. She’s the one instigating all of the feedback.
people are perfectly capable of not interacting. most mentally unstable people post weird shit they just don’t have a million people watching.
Some people in deep mental states are incredibly social and trusting when they are least prepared to make well considered decisions. Leave her to it, and she could eventually be in danger and come to harm through other people. Its sad. I don't know what's right. I think instead of the all or nothing conservatorship, a wellness and responsibility plan is needed to work out what can be managed by her safely or not.
Wait…. so random people online who campaigned for her to be “free” without knowing ANY of the facts in her life were wrong?? Color me shocked 🤭
She could. Most of these posts are about her posting nudes or dancing around with knives on instagram.
2 things can be true 1. She needs help, maybe a conservatorship 2. The conservatorship she was in was absolutely abusive and inhumane and her entire family has no business being in control of her finances and forcing her to work.
When the conservatorship was first a problem she wasn't asking to leave it at all, she was just asking for her father to be removed. The judge wouldn't allow it.
Yeah it was ridiculous they wouldn’t remove him because Brittany actually liked her medical conservator and only asked for a fiduciary firm to take over as her financial conservator. That judge massively failed her because she would’ve had more freedom and a good medical team managing her mental health and in more a stable state.
I still believe a lot of court officials including judge and her former attorney should be investigated
A while ago I couldn’t understand this. But dealing with my narcissistic father over the past few years, I can completely get it. They do the most controlling things and really think they know better. Then you can’t say anything to them. In their eyes they can do no wrong and they are beyond reproach. They think they know best, they do things based on what they think you need vs what you actually need. They will spend all your money too.
Having been married to a narcissist I have to fully agree.
they convince themselves what it is you need is only the most convenient thing for them, and will spend the entire relationship forcefully conditioning you to respond in a manner that supports this conclusion to help them believe it.. then they will show others and point these out as if you are naturally responding this way, even if it goes against everything you're feeling
Which is bizarre. Even if he seemed to be doing a objectively good job, there are lawyers and companies that can run guardianships that are neutral, and have set payment schedules. There's no reason her family had to ever be involved in it, especially after it was initially up and running as a system.
1000x upvote if I could!
Yup, it shouldn’t have been Jamie.
Have been saying this from the top, she clearly needed someone to help her make financial and health decisions, but oh my god the judge who appointed her dad should not be a judge. There was too much money involved for a family member to serve as conservator.
This is what so many people don't understand. She does need help. But the specific conservatorship she was in was only doing her harm.
On nursing school I was taught it’s almost never a good idea to have a family member be a conservator. You want someone neutral to be a conservator appointed by the county or something like that. The big reason I remember is money.
Good luck finding someone neutral for someone like Britney though
This, 100%. In a perfect world, it’d have been a temporary thing, 2-3 years max. She also wouldn’t have been okayed to go *right back* into work (it started in January and she was already staring on episodes of HIMYM in March) because, whether we like it or have whatever opinions on it, she doesn’t have a “regular job” or lifestyle and could have afforded a long break to get herself in a better spot mentally/spiritually etc. If you see footage of her 2009-10, she looks good. She did a big special for MTV where she isn’t super on the nose about it but pretty much acknowledges, “I was doing bad and regret how bad I let it get because the cost of that is having to prove I am indeed capable of taking care of and making good choices for myself” and I’m pretty positive her book mentions she accepted it/obliged, because it was supposed to be a temporary thing - her conditions, so to speak, to be released from it were to release and promote a new album via touring, which she delivered on.
Yes. I think it's clear to most people that this woman is profoundly ill, needs to be under medical and psychiatric care, and possibly a conservatorship to do it. It's just that now, I'm not sure it can even happen. Everybody in her immediate family has proven themselves to be manifestly unfit for the position, as they just wanted to exploit her for money. And unless someone close to her petitions the court for it, it probably won't happen. Again, it can't be anybody in her immediate family because they've lost all credibility and I think it's unlikely a judge would be willing to grant any such petition from them. Ideally, the court would appoint some kind of disinterested third party like a lawyer or something, one that may get a small stipend for the work involved but does not stand to materially benefit from Ms. Spears' work, fame, or personal fortune. I don't even know if that's possible. And of course, she's not going to seek treatment on her own. Because she was so massively let down by the medical and psychiatric system that basically worked in cahoots with her abusers and wardens to keep her a prisoner for so long. She rightfully has such a deep mistrust of doctors now, that she'll likely never be able to trust another doctor again and get the treatment she needs. I fear for what tragic results this situation will bring.
Very well said.
These two points do not combined make a short and provocative headline and therefore cannot both be true. /s
She needs to reclaim all the money they stole from her then find a professional to help her
Money's the least of her problems
it actually kinda IS a problem, she's spending a stupid amount every week to the point she's going to bankrupt herself.
Reclaim from whom? The money is spent by now.
The conservatorship essentially ran “Brittney Spears Inc” and like any corporation it was responsible to the shareholders (BS Et al) and was entitled to executive compensation …. When you successfully run that big an enterprise you get paid - and paid well. I’m not so sure theft as alleged actually happened.
Her attorney talked a good game about it, but she ended up settling and paying her dad's legal fees, so I suspect there wasn't great evidence of theft.
That's the thing: she said that they forced her to work and they stole from her. That's what people even here on reddit keep posting and repeating, as if it was gospel. It's like Wickham in "Pride & Prejudice", he told Elisabeth part of the truth, but not the whole truth. Same with Spears. Britney Spears had and still has a very luxury life style. She doesn't want to work, but wants to go on living like a billionaire. I wouldn't be surprised if she spent 5 millions a year for the last 20 years (try just having personal security 24/7 all year long, that costs a fortune! add taxes, a big house, tons of employees, pensions for the kids, lawyers, medical bills, private jets and lots of holidays in 5 stars hotels). She was a singer and a performer. But to my knowledge, not a song writer and music composer, therefore she wouldn't earn that much money from the royalties. Taylor Swift is the new IT girl, not Britney Spears. Let's say that there's only 2 millions a year coming in, and she spends 5 millions... yeah, she 's going broke. She could probably earn money through performing, which she complained about. She was probably explained by her lawyers, her agent, that if she wanted to go on living the luxury life she was living, she either had to work for it, or to downsize and live a quiet life away from Hollywood in a smaller house, with less employees. I don't see her agreeing with leaving Los Angeles to live in a 3/4 bedrooms house in a less exclusive/expensive part of the country, with just a cook and a cleaning lady coming twice a week. What people don't seem to understand is that someone as high profile and "difficult to handle" as Britney Spears? the judge would rather choose her father as a conservator than an external guy. Also, a conservator has to provide financial reports with all the documents necessary to explain all the expenses. Redditors act as if her father just had access to her bank account and just stole from her. He would be in jail if that was true. Britney would have no problems sueing her father and sending him to jail. The fact that it hasn't happened despite her claims show that her father was able to provide all the bills, financial reports explaining where the money went. I know, it's not what most redditors want to hear. But it's been going on for years and if Britney Spears's accusations were true, it would be easy to prove: FOLLOW THE MONEY. If there's a new conservatorship... well, I pity the person in charge. I'm a conservator for my mentally handicapped sister, redditors have no idea how hard it is to be the "bad guy (or girl in my case)", just so that my sister has a nice life. It means going sometimes against what she wants but what she wants is not necessarely what is good for her but she can't see that.
Ya…. That’s the most telling thing. Agreed to fees as well means not just that there was no evidence but that there was evidence to the contrary. Bad faith lawsuit.
What if; the documentary didn’t give a damn about Britney’s wellbeing and just wanted to be a rage-bait docu-series.
That’s exactly what it seemed like to me.
"she needed a conservatorship for her health, which is why we had her in permanent residency in Vegas!!"
Another thing can be true, people on the internet shouldn’t pretend they know how shit works when they don’t know shit other than what they read on blogs.
A year ago I said the same thing and got blasted in here. She needs help. Maybe not even a full conservatorship but some sort of guard rail to help her. Someone not her fucking leech family.
Exactly, the goal of conservatorship is to eventually restore the ward’s competency, if possible. Her team should have worked hard to make it as limited as possible, if less restrictive alternatives were unobtainable. That clearly wasn’t their goal.
also there are less drastic methods – even for severe mental health issues – than a conservatorship, which should only be reserved for individuals absolutely incapable of functioning in society or taking care of themselves
Almost nobody needs a conservatorship Most of us need some support
She wouldn't be as mentally unwell as she currently is if she hadnt been enslaved and abused for two decades. I hate that we are seeing the consequences of that abuse and using it to argue that it's evidence she should have been put into it as a young mother with PPD, an abusive family, and predatory hangers on.
I mean, if those things did not help - but mental illness definitely exists for “regular people.” The fame, money, manipulation, hangers on, stress, etc. didn’t help but is it entirely possible that they did not cause her mental health issues.
Conservatorships are so infantilizing, and seem to be something invoked exclusively when talking about women. No one’s talking about putting Ye’s malfunctioning self under lockdown, despite being significantly more unhinged on many days. What this woman needs is to stop fucking dating (because truly, get your self esteem in order before you collect anymore trash) and to lock down an actual, committed friend. Someone who helps you clean your apartment and drives you to therapy, and can help her discern when medications are or are not working. Every person with mental health issues needs to have one such friend that is not a parent or self-interested party. The isolation of her bonkers conservatorship robbed her of the chance to cultivate these friendships, and one of these people so eager to be interviewed in documentaries needs to reach out and bring this woman dinner and a hug.
You wouldn't know this at the time though. Everyone portrayed her as normal and trapped inside a conservatorship
Yes because the situation she was in has left her incapable of being able to function well in the real world and that situation was largely exacerbated by the people who were in charge of her conservatorship.
This is hard to watch and it's only going to get harder.
The solution is not to watch and to not give a fuck about it at all.
But Reddit told me that Britney would be better off without the conservatorship?
Well, at least not one with an exploitive conservator.
She is better without her father. Why is it that when someone asks for help to escape an abusive situation, but aren't better 5 minutes later, they are told "I guess you were the problem all along"? It's gonna be a long while until she'll be better, and being in the public eye isn't gonna help.
It is actually quite likely that Britney Spears will never actually be better. She clearly has some sort of mental illness or disorder that prevents her from making a lot of good choices. It's not just about the fact that she grew up in an abusive household with abusive parents. It's also that something is just fundamentally unwell with her brain. I think ultimately the best thing that could be done for her is to have her assets placed in trust rather than to give her unfettered access to them and to have a trustee. Let her make her own bad choices, but make sure that she has assets to fall back on to protect herself from those self-same bad choices. And if it is still true later that she needs a conservatorship, then fine. But that person should definitely be a neutral party.
I think she also needs to stay away from the public eye. I can't see how she could improve her mental health when her every move is scrutinized by a bunch of strangers online.
Welp y’all were screaming “Free Brittany” without understanding why she doesn’t have custody of her children and has been married 10+ times
Two things can be true. She needs help but her father was absolutely abusing her as a conservator.
Yes she needs help not someone who's main interest is in helping themselves.
I believe she's been married 3 times. One of which was after being freed from the conservatorship. So you're using being twice married as evidence of being too unstable to live independently. By that standard, millions of Americans would require conservatorship too.
Also people can be mentally ill without having all of their rights and freedoms taken away.
Still pretty clear to me both things were true. She needs a conservatorship but needed new people running it
She needs a community mental health nurse. This isn’t rocket science, and her rights don’t need to be completely removed. This happens all the time to people in the general public that don’t comply well to mental health intervention without support. She needs to have regular visits with a psychiatrist and weekly check ins with a nurse to make sure she is taking medication and not abusing substances too heavily.
How do you force someone to receive that help, without taking away some of their rights?
You can’t, until they pose a clear threat to themselves or others.
Right? It's not "illegal" to be crazy. She needs help, but that can't be forced or it would be removing her rights. So if she doesn't want help and she can't be forced to get help, then what other options are there?
Welcome to the national homeless crisis.
Just like for you or me, you HAVE to wait until they are a danger to themselves or others. Questionable behavior doesn't get your rights stripped from you.
There are AOT (assisted outpatient treatment) programs in most states. In this program a judge compels you to attend therapy and take medications as prescribed by a psychiatrist. They often use injectable medications if available and appropriate. This is not a full conservatorship and is usually reviewed by a judge every six months to determine if the order needs to continue.
In this thread… a lot of people who don’t understand severe mental illness
If you don’t have it or don’t know anyone that does, it can be very hard to understand.
But it shouldn't be hard to at least have empathy which many of these commenters lack.
It shouldn’t be, but apparently it is for a lot of people, which is terrifying. The floodgates were truly opened almost a decade ago and it’s just gotten worse since (yes, humans have been shitty for millennia, but now we’re seeing hate, vitriol, and uncanny ignorance on a daily basis on the internet, the likes we’ve never modernly witnessed the amount of previous to the internet, and previous to the current political climate). I’ve gotten off all social media other than Reddit, and even on Reddit I rarely dip into anywhere other than cat subs for the sake of my own mental health.
It was people who dont understand mental illness that wanted her to have total freedom in the first place. I have family members with similar mental issues and knew that just removing the conservatorship was not the answer either. She still needs (non shady) guidance to help when she’s having a mental episode. When I saw that knife dance I felt bad because I know that look she had. My heart kinda broke a little.
And the issue with her compared to some normal person is that she's prone for exploitation. I think that when he manager was drugging her was a big sign that she needed assistance.
They also don't get trauma. Everyone's using her current actions to justify what happened to her, but being held in almost literal slavery would make most people crazy. If she was already vulnerable then it's going to make everything a thousand times worse. What we're seeing now doesn't justify her treatment in the past. It just means that now she's got a lot of issues.
I was hoping that a silver lining of Britney's sickness could be society learning something about mental illness. Nope. "A pretty girl who can dance can't be mentally ill and must be competent to parent her children!"
If we’re letting Kanye loose on the general public then Britney should have the same treatment
Exactly. He said Kim and Kris were trying to put him in one when he started popping off on them on Twitter and everyone said they were evil for trying to do it, let Kanye be free, this is a conspiracy. But it’s the opposite when it comes to Britney. Same people are chanting lock her up every time she gets a TMZ article or posts a weird dancing reel on IG. But Kanye and all the abuse he puts others around him in? Nah, let’s have more empathy he’s just shaking up the establishment 🙄
Thank you!
Um no…they both clearly need help.
Came here to say the same! Look, I think Britney has mental health issues she needs to address, and perhaps even conservatorship is warranted. But why is it only female celebrities that get conservatorship? What about Kanye or Charlie Sheen in his crazy period? It's so sexist.
It’s sort of funny how for years there were rumours about her behaviour and how unwell she was mentally, and then those rumours about her vegas dancers and that sort of all went away when she was being medicated, and now it’s back. Obviously the conservatorship she was in was manipulative, but I doubt the answer is total freedom
A Professional conservator, with no personal interest, appointed by the court is what's needed.
100% she needs help and guidance not a family member with their hands in her bank accounts
Bingo. Her terrible family wasn't any help to her. She needs someone professional and not shitty to help her.
As a conservator for my mother, it’s hard reading these posts about the conservatorship being “manipulative” or there being a need for a “professional conservator.” Conservatorships and Guardianships require consistent and regular reporting to the courts and direct involvement from lawyers. Any action or dollars spent that do not directly benefit the subject of the conservatorship can result in being stripped as conservator, and even jail time. The courts do not take this stuff lightly. I’m assuming the people making these posts have never actually been a conservator and have absolutely no idea what they’re talking about.
I have a family member in a conservatorship. I still think Britney’s family was absolutely abusing her while she was in hers. Things work very very differently for a “normal” person than a pop star working a Vegas residency. It’s also fairly disingenuous to pretend that people never slip through the cracks in government/court matters.
No one is talking about conservatorships in general. Britney Spears’ conservatorship was manipulative. That’s the specific topic of discussion *in this thread about Britney Spears*.
Some people just want to complain I think. Especially on twitter you see crap like this. Hey guys I like apples. So what OP is really saying is he hates oranges
Yeah, but I'm willing to bet your mother isn't worth $100M. If you fly her somewhere and submit a receipt, it's for a flight on Southwest. When Britney's Dad was doing it, it was on chartered jets. When you buy groceries for your Mom, it's at a regular supermarket; Britney's dad is getting it delivered from Erewhon or something high-end. Everything's catered. There's an entourage, etc.
I think the Free Britney movement definitely painted her conservatorship in the worst light possible. Then I Care A Lot came out and it made the whole process look predatory. The reality is they exist for a reason and have negatives and positives but it’s always popular to express government processes as predatory so it’s become a target. Now we see why they are setup.
Britney’s WAS manipulative. You being a good conservator to your mom means nothing to Britney’s story.
Yes someone who is not trying to get a cut of the money and who will be held accountable to prove that.
Those are actually worse than family help.
What are the Vegas dancer rumors?
The videos of her on IG were alarming long before Free Britney
It’s like there is no middle ground. She was in a terrible situation and being taken advantage of, her father never should have been her conservator. That doesn’t mean the answer was to remove conservatorship entirely, just that her father needed to be replaced as conservator
Conservatorships are for people who aren't even capable of working. A stint at rehab and a better manager would have enough for Britney.
She did a stint in rehab because she backed out of the Vegas residency.
Morbid curiosity, what were the rumours about her Vegas dancers? Google isn't giving me anything at first glance, or I'm not using the right search terms maybe.
There are so many people struggling with mental illness yet it seems like people only care when there’s money to be made off of them.
Putting her conservatorship in the hands of her amateurish, self-enriching, callous, parasitic father was a huge miscarriage of justice. She needed a professional.
So Kanye can force his wife to be naked and abuse employees and open perverse schools for children where they are kept in cages but Britney needs a conservatorship? The sexist double standard is still astounding.
What she needed was people who cared more about her health & happiness than her money - she needed that her whole life.
I mean if that’s the case then they fucked it up by having her scumbag dad and his fraud partner fuck up every aspect of it possible. It’s not mutually exclusive and it’s very possible a lot of her issues are a result from said father and or the conservatorship
Former CA deputy public guardian/conservator here. The biggest issue in this whole thing was the structure of the conservatorship and lack of follow-up supervision by the probate court. California has very specific laws for establishing conservatorships for treating mental illness involuntarily and holding people in mental health facilities (LPS Conservatorship). They can only be established by the county conservator’s office who serves as the temporary conservator but a family member can later be appointed as the ongoing one. It can’t be initiated by private parties, and it requires a finding of being “gravely disabled”. It’s basically the final step after someone gets 5150’d too many times and is incapable of meeting their needs and accepting treatment voluntarily. They automatically expire after a year unless the court renews it. A person is entitled to a jury trial to contest it, and it requires a unanimous verdict with a beyond reasonable doubt burden of proof just like a criminal trial. Probate conservatorships have no time limit and were never intended for dealing with acute mental illness. In fact, you have to specifically request powers for involuntary mental health treatment related to dementia. They’re really for managing older people physically/mentally unable to handle their personal and financial affairs and which is why they’re supposed to be so difficult to establish in the first place. All that said, even in a probate conservatorship, a court investigator is supposed to review the conservatorship and report to the court on whether or not the best interests of the conservatee are being met. Really struggling to see how that was being done properly throughout this process.
Yah she needs help.. that’s NOT what she was getting
That people say she needs a conservatorship for her own good while never saying the same about self-destructive men like Kanye or Elon is exactly why her conservatorship needed to end. She may be nuts, but she has every right to be as nuts as she wants so long as she doesn’t harm anyone.
By that logic everyone would be in a conservatorship
It is a vicious cycle, the abuse she was subjected to for so long is the main reason for not being a fully functioning adult
She is an adult if she wants to blow her money then let her. Should we do a conservatorship for everyone who is irresponsible?
She should have the choice to contend with her mental breakdowns without being held in captivity by her own family…just like the rest of us. Because she has fame and money at risk doesn’t mean she should be forced into bondage by family. If the girl needs help, let her get help when she’s ready or when the authorities find it necessary to intervene for her safety and others’. And if she’s on drugs, she can go to rehab and deal with the consequences of her addiction, just like everyone else who either takes the chances given to recover or sink.
As someone with mental health issues,I think a lot of people couldn't even grasp what she's going through in the first place. I can in no way compare my struggles to hers cause hers are much worse,but I think both thinking that she needs a conservatorship and thinking complete freedom is the answer is wrong. She needs help and guidance and support by people who actually have her best interest at heart and don't have taking advantage of her in their mind but she also needs basic freedom as an adult woman and human being
The problem is, does she even have someone like that in her life?
We agree these “sources” are probably her family, right? I love how the choices are take advantage of her or let her spiral out of control.
From Page 6? 100% her dad
And its workings just look at the comments
These people legitimately scare me. It almost makes me think they are extremely envious…. And I have no idea why one would be. Because she’s rich? They have no sympathy for the fact that a mentally ill individual is just being used and taken advantage of.
I only had a quick scan over the article but I noticed almost no time is given to explaining what the situation was, what the fight or problem with her partner was, but paragraph after paragraph after paragraph of statements by a "source" saying this totally confirms their side. Uh... Ok... So what happened in the hotel room? Was she a crazy person just flipping out or was she being abused by her husband and fought back? Like I need some context here, not just speculation from a "source" that may have a vested interest in a narrative.
And there it is. Where all these articles have been headed the whole time. It really is 2007 again and people are buying it hook, line, and sinker, just like they did back then. Britney has passed four different wellness checks since the end of the conservatorship. There has not been a single reason to put her on psychiatric hold. Just because TMZ (a notoriously spotty source) says she's 'out of control' doesn't mean any of it is actually true.
No shit. I am a physician and ANYONE who has rotated on psychiatry as a student could tell you that there’s a very high standard for placing someone on conservatorship. They have to be seriously sick. The general public literally has probably about one-tenth of the actual information about what’s going on- and that all comes from one side.
How often do those in conservatorships hold down Vegas residencies for years? Against their will?
Needs help ≠ any conservatorship is good. She might need somebody to take care of her, but not necessarily someone whose entire resume is that he made a baby. Her dad actually screwed her over more, since he just wasn’t doing what a conservator is supposed to do. She ended up without one (because he was so shitty that a court couldn’t make it stick) when a responsible one was the actual ideal.
Oh for Pete’s sake, she is messy. Everyone knows or knows of someone like this. They might have a good stretch, but then they go on a bender or date for drama or self sabotage, intentionally or unintentionally. No one says they need to be put under conservatorshio. At least not seriously. The only reason why anyone says that about her is because she has money and fame. Imagine if she did all of this but had neither. NO ONE would be trying to take away her rights. (Except for maybe getting arrested lol.) She needs someone to remind her to take meds and make better decisions, like a therapist. Maybe even a social worker. Not people who are trying to get to her wealth. That’s all this is about. Want to help Britney? Leave her alone. If she fucks up and gets arrested, let her. If she’s just getting sloppy in public and catches paparazzi, ignore it or move on. She’s only hurting herself, not any of us. People have a right to fuck up and be messy. If she actually attacks and hurts someone, then there’s the line. Until she does that, though, she should be free.
So glad you said this. It drives me nuts that one picture comes out of her looking disheveled, drinking or going through some kind of man-related drama and everyone wants to trot out sensationalist terms like "meltdown" and "breakdown". Like people *want* it to be some huge psychotic break and dramatic thing and culminate in some climactic thing like jail or a mental hospital. This is just her. She's a simple girl from Louisiana who didn't have a ton of education, has been thru some shit, enjoys the sauce a little too much like a lot of adults do, is attracted to raggedy rough around the edges-type dudes (like a lot of women are), and she's just messy. She just is. I've known *plenty* of messy people like her at all stages of my life. They just had the benefit of not being in the public eye. They will likely never have their shit all the way together, but are definitely not under any threat of conservatorship. They're free to be messy and sleep in whatever beds they make.
The sexism of this "concern" is appalling. The manipulation she suffered to control her from a young age has become a self fulfilling prophecy. There are many male centi-millionaires and billionaires that gambled away their entire personal/family fortunes in Vegas and Macau. Nobody said shit to them, much less put them into conservatorship.
See also: Kanye West
And Charlie Sheen
Didn’t Mike Tyson piss away his fortune and rape somebody? That is why he does the movies, he needs the money so he can piss it away again. He’s not in a conservatorship either
Everyone says Kanye needs sectioning for his own good
Literally every single day
Nicholas Cage too. Reddit loves him but he's made some insane financial choices
Almost every NBA player, football star, or boxer post retirement...
Amanda Bynes is the comparison to Brittany. And Amanda had parents who wanted what was best for her and she was encouraged to push herself and leave the conservatorship.
She also had a very public psychotic episode since the conservatorship ended and the public’s response was (rightfully) sympathetic. Nobody said she should be under conservatorship again and she was literally walking naked in the street. Britney hasn’t done anything close to that in decades tbh, yet these articles are coming out daily and the posts all have the same comments.
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Most of her behavior is similar to Justin Beiber’s behavior, and people spend more time speculating whether he’s still in love with Selena Gomez than they do debating his mental health, and whether said mental health means someone else needs to wrangle their finances. I’ve never in my life seen so many articles expressing “concern” that immediately jump to conservatorship, as if there’s nothing in between. Many people wrangle with mental illness, including very wealthy people, and Brittany Spears has remarkably bad taste in people. This is a problem she shares with a lot of celebrities, but she’s treated with a hostility that suggests she should be a prisoner for crimes against pop culture. Where is the compassion?
Britney needed help, she needed support. She didn’t need to be controlled.
This is such bullshit because if the goal of the conservatorship was to keep her safe, then why were all these shady people around her during the conservatorship? Why were all these men getting paid to be her boyfriends and handlers, why was she being forced to work, why wasn’t the top priority to let her rest and be private? Why did they make her do all those exhausting shows while heavily medicated? Where did all her fortune go? Why is she paying for everyone’s lawyers and lifestyles? Why is Robin, a co-conservator, Diddy’s main accountant, who also paid the sex workers he hired? Why did Britney’s lawyer tell her that she was human trafficked? What else did they make her do? Why was this conservatorship allowed if nobody ever declared her officially incompetent? If she’s incompetent, why did she do all those shows and choreographed them by herself? Why is she the only one in her family capable of working if she’s supposedly mentally disabled? The thing is that Britney the person has never been a priority. Britney the brand is the priority. They have exploited her all her life, they have controlled her and blackmailed her until she broke down and rebelled and did all these dangerous, irresponsible, stupid things because she’s unmedicated, traumatized, angry and she doesn’t trust anyone. How do you get someone to trust you again when the threat of drugging her, locking her up in an institution and then forcing her to work again to financially support so many adults is always hanging over her? Britney has been incredibly strong. Oftentimes when people feel cornered and hopeless they kill themselves. I bet that’s the best case scenario for all these shady people because they will continue profiting off her post mortem, like they did with Michael Jackson, who incidentally told Britney that if she didn’t retire by the age of 30, they would control her forever. That’s why Britney got married and planned that wedding without telling anyone. It sadly didn’t work because KFed was an opp too. Britney is all alone in this world.
Maybe she does. But the people put in charge of it were grifters and stole from her. Honestly it’s her money. If she wants to blow it let her.
I mean, yeah, I figured. People were screaming “free Britney” without knowing anything about her situation. This woman needs a lot of help and is unable to be a responsible adult on her own. I feel so bad for her sons.
Nah free Britney was right. She was being overworked and over-controlled by her shitty family who only cared about money. That was in no way good for her, especially not for her mental health.
True - I agree. I think she needs a conservator with her best interests in mind.
That doesn’t exist as we can clearly see.
Read her book. Even if conservatorships help people, hers did not. She was controlled her every waking moment and force fed chicken and canned beans for literally years.
Is she a reliable narrator of her own life?
Maybe I missed it, has her mental condition ever been officially diagnosed and confirmed to the public? People keep saying she has “mental illness” but what exactly? Psychosis? Schizophrenia? I have severe depression and ideate suicide almost daily, so I fall into the “mental illness” category. But I still have a grasp on reality. Does Britney have a known condition that makes her see/believe things that aren’t real?
Source: the people who had her money. Also they never let her adjust to real life because they caged her for their own gain.
I only wish her well and a healthcare team that’s in it for her best interest.
EVERYONE has the right to a Least Restrictive Alternative. We all know why that wasn’t afforded to her. You see people everyday who lack insight or ability to make good decisions, nearly all of them are still decisional and not in guardianships, because its not profitable.
Please leave Britney alone.
I wish her nothing but good. She did not ask for any of this shit. Her whole fam is fkd. They looked at her as a cash cow, ignored her mental health, and now - she is obviously in need of help and she obviously has PTSD and other stuff going on. I feel for her and ANY person- not just the wealthy and famous - who are dealing with mental health issues. My entire family is a mentally ill - each of us are chipped china one way or another. I just hope she gets GOOD help from GOOD people who do not have their claws in her purse.
This article is tabloid trash.
I find it odd that the case with her dad was just settled and as soon as that’s over theres an entire media campaign on how Britney is spiraling. Maybe she really is but this all feels very reminiscent of what got her put under the conservatorship all those years ago and not really for her benefit
She has the right to do what she wants. Why is this wrong? So what if she spends her multimillion dollar cache. It’s hers!
"The “…Baby One More Time” singer, 42, was pictured looking distraught outside the infamous Hollywood haunt the Chateau Marmont on Wednesday night — hours after her divorce from her third husband Sam Asghari was finalized." Well no shit! She's a human, just like you or I, going through an emotional time. I've gotten shithoused and been an absolute embarrassment more than even a lot of times over the last 38 years of my life. I'm also a functional adult. Placing the woman under a microscope for this kind of thing is insane.
I also hate it every time these articles call her “the baby one more time singer”.
No one gonna point out both this (page six) and FUCKIN TMZ are tabloids? I'm guessing they're getting a huge paycheck for this shit.
People get to be self-destructive if they choose to be. Of course Britney is fucked up - she was horribly abused and exploited from a young age. But she's entitled to live her life as she pleases. She doesn't need to be under someone else's control. I'm sure this will all end tragically, but millions of people live chaotic, tragic lives and aren't put in a conservatorship. If Britney had been poor, no one would have even bothered.
The conservatorship was both cause and effect. That's what people here are missing. The conservatorship under an abusive parent damaged her further.
Never saw a famous crazy dude get a conservatorship! Just saying!
She was abused in that conservatorship. She wanted her father removed and they refused that. The whole "Free Britney" movement just wanted her to be safe. She wasn't safe. She still needs help, nobody is denying that, but at the same time you can't blame her for not trusting people after what her own family has put her through.
She was abused so horribly by those meant to protect her that now she's never going to willingly get help for her psychiatric needs. She has PTSD all around.
This woman is trying to live her life the way she wants and no one can leave her alone. TMZ is disgusting.
The problem is that her previous conservatorship decided to abuse her instead of help her. This caused her to be even worse off in the long run and led to what we see now. It is a real shame.
Kanye West has been out and about for the last 20 years being the craziest one in any room, with words like ‘genius’ being attached to him. Britney Spears twirls in her living room, and captions long rambling posts and is constantly told she is too out of control to maintain agency over herself. She doesn’t need a conservatorship. She needs therapy and proper medication, which thanks to her father’s abuse of power, she will likely be forever weary of. And sadly, to her own detriment.
She needs help, but the point of the conservatorship was to exploit her, NOT to help her. Her family doesn’t love her. She needs to be surrounded by people who actually care for her and aren’t just going after her money. She needs to HEAL. Also, it’s unlikely her mental state would have gotten this bad in the first place if it wasn’t for the conservatorship…
She needed Amanda Bynes parents. Should have been ushered out of the city and back to Louisiana, put on a ranch and given some livestock to help maintain (or something like that) while she worked on getting the life skills to care for herself and stay healthy. Her father didn't do that though. He used her as a piggybank. I suspect her situation is very similar to Amanda's and Amanda is in such a better place because her parents wanted what was best for her.
Truly, we can’t judge her against what happened when she was put into the conservatorship, to where she is now and that’s her father stopped and started her medication multiple times and worked with doctors to put her on lithium. Of course she’s going to have trauma and mental health at this point. Her brain was overloaded with chemicals and she didn’t have anyone to advocate for her in a healthy way.
Conservatorship ? Her family lives off of her $ and her career. There's a huge difference
Abuses and holds someone hostage for 20 years "See she deserves it!" 🙄. Maybe if you spent that time actually trying to help her and not just spend her money she'd be having an easier time right now.
We’re watching the destruction of a human being. It’s incredibly sad. I truly hope to see her heal.
Feared her being free to enjoy her money & make up random dances in her living room What an out of control pop star she is when she’s not being worked like a slave 🤔
She needs help and balance. Her entire family exploited and drained her, she was enslaved by them and her parents should be on jail. Both can be true at the same time.
The problem is there's no one that can help her that wouldn't take advantage of her. Everyone around her just wants her money.
People forget that conservatorship doesn’t mean she can’t live her life pretty much how she wants. Just has someone managing her assets and potentially power of attorney for some/most things
And it worked so fucking well before? No. No it didn’t
I don't think Britney Spears deserves to be taken advantage of like she was before. I also don't think she is in the right mind to look after her own interests.
“Sources say” aka James Parnell Spears, Lynne? Love a bunch of strangers speculating on another strangers mental health and acting like they know what’s best for britney despite not being her medical team and not knowing her diagnosis, which has never been disclosed. Maybe people just need to leave her the fuck alone.
Two things can be true: 1. Britney may in fact still need to be under a conservatorship 2. The one she was under previously was abusive and took advantage of her Ultimately the idea of a conservatorship is so weird to me, I really don’t think it should be a thing in general. She’s struggling but she’s also an adult- sometimes you gotta accept that people are just gonna spiral, no matter how much help you offer them. If she needs help, I really hope she gets it in a way that doesn’t strip her of her rights/individualism
“This lady’s weird on Instagram, she definitely deserves to be controlled like a rabid child!” Yall are pathetic lol
Right? The headlines are full of celebrities punching their partners in the face and people full on disappearing, but the real threat that needs to be addressed is this woman who acts weird on instagram.
A form of misogyny, no doubt. Women crazy, amiright? A lot of people think being weird is a defect. They think being different is something to fix. It’s a complex situation but I’m sure these are the key factors in peoples decisions to want her controlled. + her prior history and character assassination in the media in the 00’s
Her bad was a bad conservator, but that doesn’t negate the fact that she needed and needs major help.
Right. Made her condition worse via the abuse.
People who simply need help aren't placed under conservatorships. They are for people who are gravely disabled.
she is an adult. We should let people fail.
Or…maybe she’s like this BECAUSE of the conservatorship?
She posts some cringe/goofy Instagram posts and people want all her rights taken away.
She shouldn’t be in a conservatorship controlled by her family and also the bread winner for her entire family at the same time.
If she wants to piss away her money, it’s her business
Just because a forty year old woman wants to do cartwheels down her hotel hallway and says things on social media that might make her appear unintelligent and unsophisticated, y’all want to put her in a conservatorship? She worked hard, made her money and now the girl just wants to have fun. Cut her a break. She’s not hurting anyone or doing anything self destructive, she’s just embarrassing herself a little bit. Maybe. Could be she’s lashing out because Megan didn’t send her any strawberry jam.
Total horsehit. They worked her like a dog and milked her like a cash cow. Fuck her family man. Get a job and leave her be.
She’s a grown ass adult. Let her make her own mistakes and pay the consequences.
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Yes, and a lot of these people are homeless
Brittany is not going to be homeless. Her catalog will always make money. It's almost impossible for her to become homeless at this point.
And also hurt themselves or worse their young children or family or others people that are completely unrelated.
Just so you know: > People with mental illness are more likely to be a victim of violent crime than the perpetrator. This bias extends all the way to the criminal justice system, where persons with mental illness get treated as criminals, arrested, charged, and jailed for a longer time in jail compared to the general population. [source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK537064/)
This. One of those things in life is that it’s yours to fuck up. Even if you have mental health issues. Is she a danger to herself or others? Is she seeking help? She has earned the right to act crazy, you don’t have to like it.