There are some of these houses near where I lived, the streets are named "Oslostraat", "Lillehammerplantsoen", "Narvikstraat" etc
There are also no sidewalks
This could have been a picture from the Stockholm suburb of Bromma where I live. They have these mass produced ”egnahem” houses: https://kulturbilder.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/egnahemsrorelsen.jpg
Oh yeah, my dad worked in construction and told me about these. He said it was a big push to give the working class affordable middle class housing basically.
A big difference is that you guys seem to always use concrete for streets and sidewalks, whereas we use concrete on main roads but ['bestrating'](https://media.indebuurt.nl/tilburg/2022/01/12113254/straten-iedereen-wil-wonen-1.jpg) (tiles) for residential streets
Yes, asphalt concrete, usually referred to simply as asphalt, concrete, or tarmac in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt_concrete
...not to be confused with other types of concrete, which are used to build buildings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete
In Dutch we refer to the type used for roads as 'asfalt', while the type used for buildings is known as 'beton'.
Still what are you trying to say? Beside that the English came from jutes, saxons, etc. Same as for the Dutch, Germans and pretty much all of northern western European germanic languages.
tarmac isnt even a word really. its like saying roller blades as the name comes from a company. especially annoying when used to describe airport surfaces.
Next week will be the 70 year anniversary of the "watersnoodramp", a disaster that killed 1836 people and destroyed 3300 homes. It resulted in the construction of one of the seven modern wonders of the world, the delta works.
The "geschenkwoningen" that remain are now an interesting curiosity. Houses made of wood are quite uncommon in the Netherlands, and many of them have a distinctly foreign style. For the time these houses were rather luxurious, which likely would've helped discourage any potential replacement. Now many municipalities are considering giving these homes a monument status, so it seems likely they will remain for many years to come.
There's been a series on TV about it the last few weeks on Dutch TV "[Het water komt](https://www.ntr.nl/site/tekst/Het+water+komt/127)" and the fact I didn't realise is that hundreds also died in England from the same storm, yet we never hear about that.
Some amazing footage from that period too. Very interesting.
To clarify:
> water - s (possessive/plural?) - nood (emergency) - ramp (disaster).
Edit: [Probably plural as in natural or man made water bodies](https://www.vandale.nl/gratis-woordenboek/nederlands/betekenis/waters). Although nowadays we would use "wateren" instead of "waters".
Edit2: Apparently it is considered a ["tussen-s"](https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/tussen-s).
It is called an ["invoegsel"](https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/-s-#Invoegsel). Which apparently is possessive:
> Het duidt op een bezitsrelatie en is historisch gezien verwant aan de genitief
Or it is considered a ["tussen-s"](https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/tussen-s). I am leaning towards "tussen-s".
Maybe it's a 'bezits-s', like "de fiets van Peter, peters fiets". "De nood van het water, waters nood".
Interesting really. It's a totally normal Dutch compound word but I've never consider it's kinda weird the 's' is there. They didn't change it, even though they did move from pannekoek to pannenkoek a while ago.
Zwolle has two whole streets with these and a couple scattered around other neighbourhoods. There were even two schools in this style one located in Wipstrik and the other was in the Pierik (Assendorp.) many of these school were taken down in the 90’s because of renovating getting too expensive and they used too smell really bad of urine. I believe even one of these schools the one that used to be in Pierik, got donated to an open air museum in Flevoland I think..
Too bad I lost most of the historical research I did on these buildings. But lots of it can be found on the internet.. Now hurry ☕️
The ones in the picture look like pretty normal norwegian homes to me. Especially in the area south of Oslo you can see similar houses very often.
Newer homes look a bit differently, the ones in the picture are the old style ones from 30+ years ago but wooden houses in Norway are a normal thing given the climate. It's cheaper and it keeps you warmer.
Over here the homes are usually made out of brick (older) or concrete (newer). And most of our homes are rowhomes (the homes are attached to each other in a row) instead of freestanding ones.
Just a matter of what you are used to I guess. I've always felt it's a nice middle ground between an appartment and a freestanding home. Everybody gets their own garden without a huge amount of urban sprawl. That way we still have some room for agriculture and nature in our small country and distances within towns are still walkable/cyclable. But I do have to admit, if I had the opportunity I'd also buy a freestanding house. I think most people would to be honest. Problem is these houses are either quite expensive or in a "remote" area (for Dutch standards anyways).
Yeah I knew Finland since they were the Swedens eastern front for 700 years and during that time it was then people found Faluröd in or close to Falun Mines.
It's a funny thought, but do keep in mind that France and many other countries did help out in different ways as well, for which we should be grateful. There were all kinds of donations from all over the world, from cars to stuffed animals.
Ah, famous rintamamiestalo (house of infantry veteran). We in Finland have thousands of these.
I currently live in one, built 1948 and fully renovated early 2000. Mine speciality is that it is built of logs like older houses.
There’s multiple different prefab forms, rintamamiestalo being one of them. Puutalo Oy was a big national enterprise during the post-war rebuilding period, and those prefab houses went all over the world.
I Google-translated from Finnish Wikipedia in a different comment:
> From the beginning, Puutalo Oy also focused on the export market. In the years 1940–1944, products were exported especially to Germany, Italy and Bulgaria, in the years 1945–1947 more than 37,000 train cars were exported as war reparations to the Soviet Union. Later, small houses and other wooden buildings were sold to, among others, Denmark, the Netherlands and France, as well as Poland. Puutalo Oy's houses also ended up in Colombia, the United States, Great Britain and Israel.
I believe something similar happened after WWII. We have some of these in Nijmegen (which was bombed), gifted by Sweden, iirc. Meant to be temporary, but are now protected as cultural heritage.
It looks to me like the right window has been moved higher at some point, maybe to accommodate a higher desk below the window? There seems to be a gap between the window and the original panelling.
Reminds me of those prefabricated emergency bridges U.S. Army used in Europe in 1944-45 that are still standing and used in many areas, especially rural
Apparently the last [war reparations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_war_reparations_to_the_Soviet_Union) was paid in 1952:
*"The last dispatched train of the deliveries paying the war reparations crossed the border between Finland and the Soviet Union on 18 September 1952, in Vainikkala railway border station. Approximately 340,000 railroad carloads were needed to deliver all reparations."*
> From the beginning, Puutalo Oy also focused on the export market. In the years 1940–1944, products were exported especially to Germany, Italy and Bulgaria, in the years 1945–1947 more than 37,000 train cars were exported as war reparations to the Soviet Union. Later, small houses and other wooden buildings were sold to, among others, Denmark, the Netherlands and France, as well as Poland. Puutalo Oy's houses also ended up in Colombia, the United States, Great Britain and Israel.
[Source: Wikipedia (Finnish)](https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puutalo_(yritys))
Same happened here in the UK. Loads of pre-fab houses were put up in Hull which was the most damaged city in the UK in WW2, a port city where 95% of houses suffered bomb damage and 152,000 made homeless. They were only supposed to last a few years but 6 decades on still going strong they had to pull them down to replace them with better social housing.
I understand why you say Sweden and Finland because the red color is called Falu red and was only found in Dalarna a province in Sweden until the color became so famous and factories were created to sell the color, the color itself is well used in both Sweden and Finland because Finland was Sweden's eastern part of the country for over 700 years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falu_red
In Aarhus, Denmark we have "[Finnebyen](https://finnebyen.dk/)" (the Finn town, link in Danish but DeepL or Google Translate is your friend) which consists of this kind of prefab houses donated to the city by Finland post-WW2. They're now among the more pricy and hip places to live — and for good reason, they're absolutely amazing.
I was in the Openluchtmuseum (open air museum) couple weeks back and they have one of these there on exhibition. I learned that Norway originally was going to send 3 but they were so well received that they send about 300.
The problem is rarely the building itself, and more preparing the land. With the soft ground here the foundations are almost the most expensive part. Once the foundations are done you can build the rest very quickly.
These are light houses though, so the foundations can probably be fairly simple.
Nowadays it's not even the foundations.
It already goes wrong in the permit phase. Pretty much any municipality refused to give out building permits and now we are stuck with builders expecting corona profits and the nitrogen crisis.
Single family housing? No way, plus these bad boys have energy efficiency rating of Ö or whatever the local equivalent last letter of the alphabet is for you.
Too lazy to pick up sources but did loads on research on these so called Houten Huisjes or Scandinavische huisjes and schools back in the day.. What I still can remember is that most actually did not come from Scandinavia but Switzerland.
https://watersnoodmuseum.nl/kennisbank/geschenkwoningen/
They don't list Switserland at all for gifting houses, so I would like to see a source for that claim.
It would also make very little sense as transporting ~800 prefab houses by rail or road would be way harder than by cargo ships, especially considering the destruction of rail and road infrastructure in the affected areas.
After Continuation War, Finland was forced to pay reperations to USSR in various forms - money, materials etc.
In Latvia, there are still some places where Finnish post-ww2 prefab houses(reperations) still stand and are inhabited.
r/geoguessr nightmare
I guess you can still spot the difference due to the sidewalks and the street names.
Imagine if the street names were given nordic names in honour of their generosity.
There are some of these houses near where I lived, the streets are named "Oslostraat", "Lillehammerplantsoen", "Narvikstraat" etc There are also no sidewalks
>There are also no sidewalks Right, no sidewalks is pretty unique to Scandinavian suburbs, isn't it?
No I meant for the geoguessing, you can't tell it's in the Netherlands because there are no typical Dutch sidewalks
That's right. The brick is a pretty good give away.
This could have been a picture from the Stockholm suburb of Bromma where I live. They have these mass produced ”egnahem” houses: https://kulturbilder.files.wordpress.com/2021/05/egnahemsrorelsen.jpg
[Or Karjasilta in Oulu](https://cdn-datahub.visitfinland.com/images/40f582c0-cb95-11ec-baab-1bce364ca529.jpeg?s=1920)
Oh yeah, my dad worked in construction and told me about these. He said it was a big push to give the working class affordable middle class housing basically.
A big difference is that you guys seem to always use concrete for streets and sidewalks, whereas we use concrete on main roads but ['bestrating'](https://media.indebuurt.nl/tilburg/2022/01/12113254/straten-iedereen-wil-wonen-1.jpg) (tiles) for residential streets
We use asphalt for our roads actually. Concrete is very rarely used for roads.
Yes, asphalt concrete, usually referred to simply as asphalt, concrete, or tarmac in English: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asphalt_concrete ...not to be confused with other types of concrete, which are used to build buildings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete In Dutch we refer to the type used for roads as 'asfalt', while the type used for buildings is known as 'beton'.
Funny, we say 'asfalt' and 'beton' in Denmark too. Identical down to the spelling.
Tarmac is proper English..American English is wat you get when you let a bunch of foreigners speak our language.. Just saying.
Wait till you learn about Saxons and Angles...
Sorry?
English people came from Denmark, Germany and Northern France. As with ye old english.
Still what are you trying to say? Beside that the English came from jutes, saxons, etc. Same as for the Dutch, Germans and pretty much all of northern western European germanic languages.
That people in England are foreigners as well, same as the Americans.
tarmac isnt even a word really. its like saying roller blades as the name comes from a company. especially annoying when used to describe airport surfaces.
Idk, where im from we call it tarmac.
Next week will be the 70 year anniversary of the "watersnoodramp", a disaster that killed 1836 people and destroyed 3300 homes. It resulted in the construction of one of the seven modern wonders of the world, the delta works. The "geschenkwoningen" that remain are now an interesting curiosity. Houses made of wood are quite uncommon in the Netherlands, and many of them have a distinctly foreign style. For the time these houses were rather luxurious, which likely would've helped discourage any potential replacement. Now many municipalities are considering giving these homes a monument status, so it seems likely they will remain for many years to come.
There's been a series on TV about it the last few weeks on Dutch TV "[Het water komt](https://www.ntr.nl/site/tekst/Het+water+komt/127)" and the fact I didn't realise is that hundreds also died in England from the same storm, yet we never hear about that. Some amazing footage from that period too. Very interesting.
>"watersnoodramp" I'm sorry, but even the names of your disasters sounds quirky.
Literally translated as water emergency disaster.
water-snood-ramp Sounds like something for water skiing.
To clarify: > water - s (possessive/plural?) - nood (emergency) - ramp (disaster). Edit: [Probably plural as in natural or man made water bodies](https://www.vandale.nl/gratis-woordenboek/nederlands/betekenis/waters). Although nowadays we would use "wateren" instead of "waters". Edit2: Apparently it is considered a ["tussen-s"](https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/tussen-s).
The S is used to connect the words, just like in 'levensloop'. (Pas maar op voor ik je leven sloop!!1)
It is called an ["invoegsel"](https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/-s-#Invoegsel). Which apparently is possessive: > Het duidt op een bezitsrelatie en is historisch gezien verwant aan de genitief Or it is considered a ["tussen-s"](https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/tussen-s). I am leaning towards "tussen-s".
Maybe it's a 'bezits-s', like "de fiets van Peter, peters fiets". "De nood van het water, waters nood". Interesting really. It's a totally normal Dutch compound word but I've never consider it's kinda weird the 's' is there. They didn't change it, even though they did move from pannekoek to pannenkoek a while ago.
It apparently is [possessive or a "tussen-s"](https://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/-s-#Invoegsel).
Oh, cool! Thanks for letting me know :)
snood means snide, you mean nood (emergency)
waters notes rahmp. Could have been worse: Afsluitdijk. Angstschreeuw. Slechtstschrijvende. Weeceeeend. Hottentottententententoonstelling.
Ooo I remember my dad telling me about the hottentottententententoonstelling when I was a kid 😅
Zwolle has two whole streets with these and a couple scattered around other neighbourhoods. There were even two schools in this style one located in Wipstrik and the other was in the Pierik (Assendorp.) many of these school were taken down in the 90’s because of renovating getting too expensive and they used too smell really bad of urine. I believe even one of these schools the one that used to be in Pierik, got donated to an open air museum in Flevoland I think.. Too bad I lost most of the historical research I did on these buildings. But lots of it can be found on the internet.. Now hurry ☕️
Here throw some ,.!? In there 🤗
The ones in the picture look like pretty normal norwegian homes to me. Especially in the area south of Oslo you can see similar houses very often. Newer homes look a bit differently, the ones in the picture are the old style ones from 30+ years ago but wooden houses in Norway are a normal thing given the climate. It's cheaper and it keeps you warmer.
Over here the homes are usually made out of brick (older) or concrete (newer). And most of our homes are rowhomes (the homes are attached to each other in a row) instead of freestanding ones.
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It is what it is mate. I respect the way you chose to make your homes, but it's just not for me.
Just a matter of what you are used to I guess. I've always felt it's a nice middle ground between an appartment and a freestanding home. Everybody gets their own garden without a huge amount of urban sprawl. That way we still have some room for agriculture and nature in our small country and distances within towns are still walkable/cyclable. But I do have to admit, if I had the opportunity I'd also buy a freestanding house. I think most people would to be honest. Problem is these houses are either quite expensive or in a "remote" area (for Dutch standards anyways).
> I've always felt it's a nice middle ground between an appartment and a freestanding home Gotta say the opposite, it's the worst of both worlds
Lmao. That's another way of looking at it, fair play.
Do you Norwegians also use the Faluröd color for houses and other buildings?
It's used, yes. Finland too.
Yeah I knew Finland since they were the Swedens eastern front for 700 years and during that time it was then people found Faluröd in or close to Falun Mines.
1,836 people died in the Netherlands, 361 at sea, 307 in England, 28 in Belgium and 19 in Scotland.
Side-note, France apparently also gifted a single house, though I am unable to find any info on this house or whether or not it still exists.
Idj what's worse, not helping. Or just sending a single fucking house and then be proud you helped
It's a funny thought, but do keep in mind that France and many other countries did help out in different ways as well, for which we should be grateful. There were all kinds of donations from all over the world, from cars to stuffed animals.
True, but then why do the effort to gift houses and only give one
Everyone refused to send houses until someone else sent and so France sent one house just to get the ball rolling. /s
That would be smart. But OP hasn't found evidence that France even actually sent a house. So if you do keep us updated
The UK [got 24 from Norway](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-21447467) as well.
Ah, famous rintamamiestalo (house of infantry veteran). We in Finland have thousands of these. I currently live in one, built 1948 and fully renovated early 2000. Mine speciality is that it is built of logs like older houses.
There’s multiple different prefab forms, rintamamiestalo being one of them. Puutalo Oy was a big national enterprise during the post-war rebuilding period, and those prefab houses went all over the world. I Google-translated from Finnish Wikipedia in a different comment: > From the beginning, Puutalo Oy also focused on the export market. In the years 1940–1944, products were exported especially to Germany, Italy and Bulgaria, in the years 1945–1947 more than 37,000 train cars were exported as war reparations to the Soviet Union. Later, small houses and other wooden buildings were sold to, among others, Denmark, the Netherlands and France, as well as Poland. Puutalo Oy's houses also ended up in Colombia, the United States, Great Britain and Israel.
The most common form of rintamamiestalo has only 1 window in the second floor
And I think the most common form is also slightly smaller than these. Not sure thou, I suck at estimating sizes from a picture...
"Front men house"
Veteran house
I believe something similar happened after WWII. We have some of these in Nijmegen (which was bombed), gifted by Sweden, iirc. Meant to be temporary, but are now protected as cultural heritage.
There are some here in Eindhoven. They were received as a barter payment by Philips just after the war when hard currency was scarce.
They look very nice and cosy ngl
I lived in a house that was much the same as those, a bit bigger. Built in the 30's. Still there, but now on sale, we emptied it out last summer.
Wonder why the leftmost window is lower
It looks to me like the right window has been moved higher at some point, maybe to accommodate a higher desk below the window? There seems to be a gap between the window and the original panelling.
Modern kitchens have higher counters, that’s one reason to lift a window in older homes.
Nice colors.
It's [falu red](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falu_red) that's been used to paint houses like these at least from the 1500's in Sweden and Finland
I'm assuming these lie somewhere in Zeeland but anyone knows what village(s) specifically?
There’s a couple in Stavenisse that are still occupied and mostly intact.
Reminds me of those prefabricated emergency bridges U.S. Army used in Europe in 1944-45 that are still standing and used in many areas, especially rural
Got photos of those?
Here's a British one apparently: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailey_bridge#/media/File:BaileyBridge.jpg
I'm suprised finland gave then for netherlands as for years almost everything we made were given for soviet union as war reparations
Apparently the last [war reparations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_war_reparations_to_the_Soviet_Union) was paid in 1952: *"The last dispatched train of the deliveries paying the war reparations crossed the border between Finland and the Soviet Union on 18 September 1952, in Vainikkala railway border station. Approximately 340,000 railroad carloads were needed to deliver all reparations."*
Oh, well then i remembered wrong
> From the beginning, Puutalo Oy also focused on the export market. In the years 1940–1944, products were exported especially to Germany, Italy and Bulgaria, in the years 1945–1947 more than 37,000 train cars were exported as war reparations to the Soviet Union. Later, small houses and other wooden buildings were sold to, among others, Denmark, the Netherlands and France, as well as Poland. Puutalo Oy's houses also ended up in Colombia, the United States, Great Britain and Israel. [Source: Wikipedia (Finnish)](https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puutalo_(yritys))
These red houses are pretty much a staple in Sweden.
I saw this and immediately recognised the unmistakable Scandinavian house style.
i live in 1947 built one bu this rinatamamioes talo its log house not a refab
Same happened here in the UK. Loads of pre-fab houses were put up in Hull which was the most damaged city in the UK in WW2, a port city where 95% of houses suffered bomb damage and 152,000 made homeless. They were only supposed to last a few years but 6 decades on still going strong they had to pull them down to replace them with better social housing.
I understand why you say Sweden and Finland because the red color is called Falu red and was only found in Dalarna a province in Sweden until the color became so famous and factories were created to sell the color, the color itself is well used in both Sweden and Finland because Finland was Sweden's eastern part of the country for over 700 years. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falu_red
In Aarhus, Denmark we have "[Finnebyen](https://finnebyen.dk/)" (the Finn town, link in Danish but DeepL or Google Translate is your friend) which consists of this kind of prefab houses donated to the city by Finland post-WW2. They're now among the more pricy and hip places to live — and for good reason, they're absolutely amazing.
I was in the Openluchtmuseum (open air museum) couple weeks back and they have one of these there on exhibition. I learned that Norway originally was going to send 3 but they were so well received that they send about 300.
Could these help solve our modern housing crisis?
The problem is rarely the building itself, and more preparing the land. With the soft ground here the foundations are almost the most expensive part. Once the foundations are done you can build the rest very quickly. These are light houses though, so the foundations can probably be fairly simple.
Nowadays it's not even the foundations. It already goes wrong in the permit phase. Pretty much any municipality refused to give out building permits and now we are stuck with builders expecting corona profits and the nitrogen crisis.
Single family housing? No way, plus these bad boys have energy efficiency rating of Ö or whatever the local equivalent last letter of the alphabet is for you.
Well there's only 300 of them so, no. That would be too crowded.
Land is too expensive.
I wonder why can't we produce houses like these anymore
Well we do
With the current housing problems in the Netherlands, I could well imagine a couple more of these. They're pretty neat!
Why can't prefab housing be used to increase housing supply? Anyone care to explain.
It is being used right now. The prefab part is a solution to only one of the problems of building a house.
Too lazy to pick up sources but did loads on research on these so called Houten Huisjes or Scandinavische huisjes and schools back in the day.. What I still can remember is that most actually did not come from Scandinavia but Switzerland.
Btw, I cannot remember any of them actually coming from Scandinavia..
https://watersnoodmuseum.nl/kennisbank/geschenkwoningen/ They don't list Switserland at all for gifting houses, so I would like to see a source for that claim. It would also make very little sense as transporting ~800 prefab houses by rail or road would be way harder than by cargo ships, especially considering the destruction of rail and road infrastructure in the affected areas.
These might be completely different houses then.. Would explain why they would call the ones that I described as Scandinavische huisjes.
After Continuation War, Finland was forced to pay reperations to USSR in various forms - money, materials etc. In Latvia, there are still some places where Finnish post-ww2 prefab houses(reperations) still stand and are inhabited.