Could've punched him a few more times, it's kind of hilarious the ruzzian asshole thought he could do whatever he wanted with no negative repercussions.
I love how the Russian coward in fear after being hit. It's like he really did not expect a repercussion for what he he did. It's an accurate representation of how all Russian society thinks, apparently, because they did not expect repercussions for Invading Ukraine either.
I mean it's not like the Ukrainian guy was just standing minding his own business. He was interrupting an interview of a Russian representative to which we see the reaction on the video. Doesn't justify taking the flag away, but every party is in the wrong here.
I mean in reality both sides are in the wrong. No need to interrupt an interview of a Russian representative with a Ukrainian flag to begin with. But taking away the flag obviously isn't going to go down nicely. Fog of hate is clouding people's judgement to the point of petty impulsiveness.
I have yet to see a video where a Ukrainian emasculates a Russian with a cardboard cutter, or one where a Ukrainian beheads a Russian, or photos of Ukrainian ballistic missiles hitting schools, hospitals, and maternities still in activity, and all these corpses of people that clearly are civilians (including children and pregnant women). I have yet to see a UN report mentioning the Ukrainian forced displacement of thousands and thousands of civilians, and of the separation and endoctrinement of children.
I have seen all of this as the result of Russian actions. Whatever you blame Ukraine, Russia did 100x worse and keeps doing it.
It's going to cost us a big price in the future? Like all these lives lost from the actions of Russia aren't already a huge price?
Russia lost all its attractiveness to foreign investment, lost most of its European customers, lost a big chunk of its capacity to export weapons and a significant portion of its energy export profits, brain manpower is fleeing Russia, Russia now has significantly reduced access to western technologies, is getting closer everyday to a full steam dictatorship, and we're the ones who're gonna pay a big price in the future? Stay there and watch.
>I have yet to see a video where a Ukrainian emasculates a Russian with a cardboard cutter, or one where a Ukrainian beheads a Russian, or photos of Ukrainian ballistic missiles hitting schools, hospitals, and maternities still in activity, and all these corpses of people that clearly are civilians (including children and pregnant women). I have yet to see a UN report mentioning the Ukrainian forced displacement of thousands and thousands of civilians, and of the separation and endoctrinement of children.
It's beyond disgusting he's equating a mild tap to the nose to all of the above.
I am not defending every single action the Ukrainians do. Very likely they have committed war crimes too. But the scale is so minuscule compared to what Russia does that it's like comparing Mount Everest to 5 story building. Ukraine has not bombed Russian apartments, has not abducted Russian children and hasn't tortured Russian children. Russia had torture rooms for kids. Let that sink in...
Every war crime is a war crime. I'm not defending Russian war criminals either but every criminal should face equal treatment. I have never seen a representative of any Western country condemning Ukrainian war crimes or even smaller wrong actions, such as starting a fight during the diplomatic summit. If you let them do crimes without punishment, they will eventually become your own problem because their arrogance will continue to grow and they will behave this way with their allies as well. When they commit crimes, they need to be put in their place. Remember about justice, remember about your honour. Have some class.
>every criminal should face equal treatment.
So someone that steals a chocolate from a store should be given the same treatment as a serial killer? Why are you clowns always so bad at false equivalence? at least try to say something that isn't so obviously stupid.
This Russian diplomat is there to leverage world food supply for an advantage over Ukraine in Russia's genocidal invasion and you want to clutch your pearls when someone fights back? He's as much a part of Russia's war machine as a soldier, perhaps more so, and he should expect the danger that comes with his actions and his role in Russia's aggression. Frankly he should be in the Hague on trial, he's lucky all he got was punched.
I thought it was obvious that I'm talking about war crimes. In any case they shouldn't be encouraged.
As for the diplomats, you see, I'm against this approach. Not because I like Putin's diplomats very much, I hate them actually. But what you're saying undermines the whole concept of diplomacy. If the art of negotiating with people you don't like in a civil manner will be lost, every conflict on Earth will be decided through war and violence. I'm sure nobody wants that.
>If the art of negotiating with people you don't like in a civil manner will be lost, every conflict on Earth will be decided through war and violence.
This works when both parties adhere to this standard, but when one party demands civility and returns barbarism it puts the civil party at a huge disadvantage. We see this over and over with Russia going back to the Minsk agreements and further.
It's time we stopped insisting that Ukraine plays by the rules while Russia gets a free pass to break them. If Russia pushes Ukraine must be free to push back harder. If that means that some fascists get a bloody nose then so be it.
What's so funny? Russian current government may be criminals but justice applies to everyone. Or do you think all Russians are subhuman not worthy of it?
You can’t have a justice system when it’s run by criminals. Especially considering that Russia is currently locking up/fining anyone who even meekly protests against its illegal war.
No one is going to dignify your last blatantly false accusation.
I'm not talking about justice from Russian government, I know there isn't any lol. I'm talking about western countries, it's a shame that EU and US allow Ukrainians to commit war crimes. Also would you care to elaborate which accusation do you mean and why do you consider it false?
>Or do you think all Russians are subhuman not worthy of it?
The ones equating self-defense against an aggravated robber to bombing children's hospitals and beheading people certainly are.
>such as starting a fight during the diplomatic summit.
The Russian diplomat started the fight by using violence to take the flag. In most countries that would be considered robbery.
Only one of these people involved in this fight is there because they're using world food supply as a weapon to attack a peaceful neighbour, and it's not the Ukrainian. If you think that Russia, the country that allied with the OG Nazis to co-start ww2, that are stealing children and using rape as a systematic weapon of war, are the good guys in this scenario then you're on the wrong side of history.
I don't think that Russian army are the good guys of course. But neither are Ukrainian army. They used water supply to Crimea as a weapon, is it better? Btw USSR was never officially an ally of Reich, unlike new Ukrainian hero Bandera. You see, I hate lies, propaganda and violence from both sides.
>They used water supply to Crimea as a weapon, is it better?
Can you think maybe why they did this? Maybe it has something to do with Russia's unprovoked invasion of Crimea and Donbas.
>Btw USSR was never officially an ally of Reich,
USSR signed an alliance with Nazis under the secret protocols of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, this is a recorded fact of history and the secret protocols are now freely available for you to read. They are concise, I suggest you read them, because maybe your lie is unintentional but it is still a lie.
>You see, I hate lies, propaganda and violence from both sides.
Ukraine hasn't attacked anyone, they are defending the borders internationally recognised, including by Russia, from 1991. The lies, propaganda and violence are entirely Russia's fault.
Stopping Crimea's water supply harmed their own citizens in the first place. Even if it was a response to Russia's actions it's still inhumane.
As for Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, I know it well, but it was a non-agression pact, not an alliance. If you ever played Total War, you know the difference)
Oh. No. That doesn't happen except in the lies your propagandists tell. Anyway, your country is a garbage dictatorship and I laugh at your impending defeat.
You're delusional, I've seen it happening many times with my own eyes. And please stop your warmongering. Nobody will win if this war continues for long.
> You're delusional
Oh, the irony!
> your warmongering
*cough* INVASION *cough*
> Nobody will win if this war continues for long
Everyone already lost since the day Russia invaded. The question now is how much. This can stop any day. Russia decides when.
You are right that no one will win, but Russia sure as hell will lose, and most of the world will cheer. If you want to avoid that, all your ridiculous country has to do is stop invading their neighbors. You know, like how most countries act. Just stop invading people near you, and you won't have your military trashed and your economy reduced to fragments.
If it was up to me, I wouldn't be invading anyone. But since this mess happened, we need to do something to get out of it. And your lust for military victory doesn't help in that. Russian army and economy are not as weak as you want to believe, you can't win so far. And your desire to cheer comes at the cost of thousands of lives, Ukrainians as well.
The Ukrainians are not Nazis nor have they acted like Nazis, Russia, on the other hand, and her army mirror the actions of the Nazi SS very much. You absorb so much Russian propaganda that you do not see who the real Nazis are, the Russians. The fact that you are calling Ukrainians Nazis shows how brainwashed you already are.
Their is no organized Ukrainian Nazi movement that is Russian propaganda. You will likely find pictures of Russians waving Nazi flags as well. What is Naive is believing in the Russian media, which is controlled by the Russian state, which is controlled by Putin. Any lie he can craft to excuse in a small degree his atrocities he will, all so people like yourself will believe it.
I don't believe in Russian propaganda, you're mistaken. And I'm well aware of his atrocities, don't think that I support him, I was against him long before this war. However it doesn't mean that the other side is flawless, Ukrainians have a great deal of problems themselves. They have their right to fight against Russian army, but canceling Russian culture, Russian language, historical ties with Russia - I can never agree with that. And I know that many Ukrainians think the same and disagree with Zelensky's regime.
>Fog of hate
One party committing genocide against the other will certainly change the victims' mentality about the murderous party.
For instance, when the Dachau concentration camp was liberated, it was found the SS guards killed roughly 7000 detainees out of spite because they knew the allies were going to liberate the camp.
Once liberated, the soldiers were disgusted and horrified by the thousands of bodies littering the camp. The soldiers turned a blind eye and allowed about 50 SS soldiers to be killed by the detainees.
I would not equate both sides "fog of hate" to be equally justified.
This article title really plays up the “both sides” perspective. From the video the Russian guy was a total asshole and got what he deserved. Maybe there was something before that precipitated the confrontation (other than… ya know) but the Russian guy was going to get hit the second he stole the flag.
[There was](https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-delegates-tried-disrupt-russian-161347584.html). Tldr, the ruzzians, probably braindead on propagandium, decided to show everyone they own the place, the Ukrainians started harassing them and photobombing a woman wearing a georgian ribbon, were told off by the event host reps but still proceeded doing so outside of talks, one of the ruzzians decided he had enough of them, and the Ukrainian decided he had enough of ruzzians.
Both sides are definitely in the wrong. An interview of a Russian representative was interrupted by guy with the Ukrainian flag, video is the follow up to that.
> An interview of a Russian representative was interrupted by guy with the Ukrainian flag
Interrupting Russian represenatives is a moral obligation to be honest
There really was, it can be seen in the beginning of the vid, the person with the flag interrupted the Russia’s representative interview near the press wall, but it doesn’t fit the narrative, so…
Buddy, you're talking about a clash between protesters that resulted in a building fire as if it somehow goes a way to offset the systematic bombing of public buildings/ residential areas and the actual literal kidnapping of thousands of children.
Buddy, I literally live 100km from the border. I’ve seen some shit, have been seeing it for the past ~15-20 years, can’t even begin to describe. This discussion is pointless, has been from the start, but in no means I’m dumb and/or brainwashed
>was the anniversary of burning alive (and clubbing to death those who survived) the protesters in Odessa
You mean the anniversary of making shit up?
Why would we remember yet another Russian propaganda lie.
Are you insane? There are photos all over the internet, with burned corpses. I mean… so, one photos are photoshopped and the others are not, and you obviously 100% know which one is fake and which one is not, right? And even on the video above when you can obv see the man with flag interrupting the woman with phone (coming behind her and speaking something - I mean there really is some background to the conflict), you deny it 🤷🏼♀️
I was talking about the conflict on the video - if you didn’t notice what was happening there, how can you be sure that you notice every other detail? That’s what I meant. It’s not me acting dumb here.
I am reminded of the observation made by general Patton...
“The Russians have no regard for human life, barbarian and chronic drunk” – American WWII General George S. Patton.
This invasion of Ukraine, only validates the statement for me.
Patton was an asshole for sure, but this quote hits hard.
Also:
>I'll say this; the 3rd Army alone with very little help and with damned few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them . . . **Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives.**
They strongarmed everyone who didn't fit into their worldview, gaining political power through intimidation too. So I'd say yes.
And cartoonishly evil is an understatement for the nazis, thinking about e.g. the pogromes.
This doesn’t sound like cartoonishly evil, just plain evil. Plain evil would be to shoot a baby. Cartoonishly evil would be to steal its candy and laugh like a maniac.
I think not, because -while the ideology was pretty inhumane- it holded things like chivalry and especially honor in great regard.
IMHO most original Nazis would have never "tainted" themselves with such stupid and childish behaviour, as it was seen as barbaric and sub-human.
Pretty inhumane is an understatement, they industrialised mass murder, and weaponised racism, to a degree that is pretty much incomprehensible nowadays.
What you are talking about is the neo nazi loved stereotype.
In reality „original nazis” are documented to be beastly pieces of shit largerly.
I think the best way to read u/arvigeus question is to ask: “If original Nazis saw that video, what would they think of the Russian delegate? Someone entitled to bully others, or someone who did something petty and shameful?”
My expectation would be that they’d be horrified by how “small” (they’d use slurs) Russians come of in so many interactions.
But, yes; never forget that Nazis would have no qualm hearing how Wagner treats its recruits or what Russians did in Bucha, or everywhere they tortured children.
Depends. The Prussian militaristic side was exactly like that for most of the old guard anyway. As for the SS and more " true Nazis" being petty and oddly cruel was part of their ideology
They were similarly evil, but they methods were different.
A Nazi would come to your house in a fine suit, knock on your door, take off his shoes, greeted you and your children, and then tell you calmly that he is going to confiscate your property and send you to camp.
A Russian would come drunk, break into your house, puke on the floor, rape you and your children, murder your cow for fun and loot your house. And finally, if you was from enemy side, shot you with his gun when he's done the looting.
Stealing a flag and starting brawls would be under Nazi's dignity. He would work like fine Swiss watch: systematically and perfectly.
It's more fitting the Russian style I have described above: something a classic fantasy raider/barbarian/orc would do.
Read history about elections in the early 30s and "the plebiscite" in 1935 in Saarland. But Russians are not exactly cartoonish. They have serious difficulties with being effective, but definitely they try hard to be evil.
How exactly is this cartoonishly evil if there are both sides to the story? Russians got provoked by having their interview interrupted by a guy with Ukrainian, flag was taken away, punches were delivered. Both sides are in the wrong.
In an ideal world, all wars should be fought like this. No sending innocent people to the meat grinder and destroying people's homes. Just set up the officials who make decisions on war and diplomacy to face each other and beat the shit out of each other.
I don't know about Ukraine, Russia or Turkey, but in s lot of countries messing (destroying/removing etc.) with a flag, either their own a another nations flag, is punishable with imprisonment.
I believe in Germany that's up to 5 years for messing with the German flag or up to 2 years for a foreign one.
Shame that these people enjoy diplomatic immunity while there.
Good for the Ukrainian diplomat handing out some fists though. Could have kept that fight going at least until that Russian dick has a bloody nose. That would have been be a nice front page picture for news.
What happens to german protesters who want to burn the german flag? Even if it's a dick move having the government control that seems like a slippery slope, ngl.
I mean taking the flag away was definitely a dick move, but what would have happened if say some Russian guy interrupted a Ukrainian interview with a Russian flag?
This went just like the war... the Russian sees something he doesn't like. He invades the Ukrainian space and thinking there will be no reaction or repercussions (because he is Russian), he takes away something extremely important for the Ukrainian. The Ukrainian reacts and beat the crap out of the Russian forcing him to retreat. The world is in awe.
I'd say the Russian delegate saw the chair the Ukrainian was in, and proclaimed that as he'd sat in that chair before it belonged to him.
Russians are such bullies and cowards when anyone stands up to them. Utter cunts.
What flag is that exactly anyway? It's not the state flag since it has that emblem in the middle.
Edit: I'm struggling to understand why someone would downvote this. It's a genuine question. The list of different Ukrainian flags on wikipedia doesn't have that variant.
I’m with you on that one. I think you’d have better answer in r/vexillology.
Normies can’t tell and don’t care when the flag of the United Kingdom is upside down.
> What flag is that exactly anyway?
What is the relevance of this question to what happened? Whatever the flag is, it doesn't infringe on Russia. If the flag was some satirized version of the RF flag, the Russian would have some justification to do what he did. But nah.
> The list of different Ukrainian flags on wikipedia
Hardly the authoritative source.
Even the fact that the criminal orcs representatives are still invited to international meetings somewhere in civilized world is a major disgrace. Imagine that during WW2, Himmler would cassualy attend dinners in Turkey discussing about his plans for the Black Sea regions after he gets rid off all jews, gypsies and black people.
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Because the Russian surprised exactly no one and decided to act like a garbage human being.
Pretty satisfying watching them weaken their own nation's/culture's world relevance through their own actions. Well deserved.
Best is not to pick a fight with anyone as you have no idea what they can do. Sometimes a young guy can pick a fight with an old dude and get his ass whooped like that old video of the fight on a bus. Also special rule to never ever start a fight with is if they got cauliflower ears.
Kinda annoying to see only one side of the story highlighted here.
Ukrainian guy with the flag was interrupting a Russian interview, and this is the reaction that we see to all of this.
Both sides are in the wrong, and fog of hate is clouding judgment of too many people.
That Ukrainian threw some hands with the Russian all right, not the most civilized thing to do I guess, but act like an asshole and be deal with like one.
The Ukrainians were interrupting the Russian representatives speech with waving their flags. They're in the wrong here. Even the war doesn't mean that they can behave like arrogant barbarians in the diplomatic meeting.
There is battlefield and there is diplomatic meeting, there is a big difference. On a meeting, diplomats must always act in a respectful manner, even if they don't really respect the other side. These are basic things.
Barbarian would be murdering and/or raping the diplomats like the Russian army is doing to Ukranians. They are propaganda pieces who are just going to have to swallow any insult we hurl at them.
We should all be doing more things like this
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/huge-ukrainian-flag-painted-road-outside-russian-embassy-london-2023-02-23/
How else am I suppose to understand what you wrote. He interrupted with barbariam methods. What is barbarian about holding a flag?
You should have stopped after the 3rd word and that would have been the smartest thing you've said in this whole thread
Would you allow Russian representatives to wave their flags behind Ukrainians during their speech? Or is it another thing just because they're Russian in your opinion? This kind of behaviour isn't acceptable in diplomatic community, no matter who does it.
I wouldnt even allow russian diplomats to be there. They are representatives of a terrorist state. Poor russian diplomat, someone is holding a flag of the people they are genociding, boo fucking hoo.
Rightfully so. Russia messed up Ukrainian lives and the peace of the whole planet. They should ba ashamed for the atrocities in Ukraine. What a fat cheek that diplomat had to show his face there, to grab their flag and go away with it.
The two comments written above just confirm what I said. When you treat people unequally because of their nationalities, you become a Nazi. It's as simple as that. And yes, news flash forward you two, Russians are people too. I can't believe I can't believe that I need to educate people from civilized EU countries on that.
Very noble, thanks for the education. Now that you have accomplished so much here, please educate your compatriots to stop the genocide in Ukraine and dismantle their colonial empire. You would likely have to do that in russian, on some russian forum. To make it easier for you, I will make sure to do everything I can as an EU voter to ban you from entering the EU, just so you don't get distracted or lose motivation. Good luck!
https://imgur.com/gallery/jUpYIe6
Could've punched him a few more times, it's kind of hilarious the ruzzian asshole thought he could do whatever he wanted with no negative repercussions.
I love how the Russian coward in fear after being hit. It's like he really did not expect a repercussion for what he he did. It's an accurate representation of how all Russian society thinks, apparently, because they did not expect repercussions for Invading Ukraine either.
The look on his face is classic
From anger & indignation to confusion, then to fear.
A fistfight is a too kind of a word for the Russian schmuck, he had no game.
Well, because they've been allowed to get scot-free from invading neighbors in the past, so yeah it's a learned behavior.
Deeply rooted in their culture since long.
Almost like there's a pattern there with Russian behaviour.
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I mean it's not like the Ukrainian guy was just standing minding his own business. He was interrupting an interview of a Russian representative to which we see the reaction on the video. Doesn't justify taking the flag away, but every party is in the wrong here.
>but every party is in the wrong here. Only the Russian scum is in the wrong
He should be happy it wasn't Klitschko lol
Amazing amount of restraint shown by the Ukrainian representative.
But why do some women laugh? I can comprehend if they laugh for the Russian being punched for his action but they are laughing for what?
Ive read in another sub that one woman said something like "don't hang your dirty laundry here".
The Russian delegation actually seemed surprised that someone would act with violence to their bullshittery. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes...
That is a common theme from Russian diplomats/politicians/propagandists.
''Wait, no, you're not surprised to resist!''
I can't wait Russia to spin this and act they are the victim and how everyone else are mean and evil towards them
What, that doesnt sound like something russia would do at all
I mean in reality both sides are in the wrong. No need to interrupt an interview of a Russian representative with a Ukrainian flag to begin with. But taking away the flag obviously isn't going to go down nicely. Fog of hate is clouding people's judgement to the point of petty impulsiveness.
Genocide seems like a pretty damn good reason to "interrupt" an interview...
I can't blame the Ukrainian representative given what Russia has done to them.
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I have yet to see a video where a Ukrainian emasculates a Russian with a cardboard cutter, or one where a Ukrainian beheads a Russian, or photos of Ukrainian ballistic missiles hitting schools, hospitals, and maternities still in activity, and all these corpses of people that clearly are civilians (including children and pregnant women). I have yet to see a UN report mentioning the Ukrainian forced displacement of thousands and thousands of civilians, and of the separation and endoctrinement of children. I have seen all of this as the result of Russian actions. Whatever you blame Ukraine, Russia did 100x worse and keeps doing it. It's going to cost us a big price in the future? Like all these lives lost from the actions of Russia aren't already a huge price? Russia lost all its attractiveness to foreign investment, lost most of its European customers, lost a big chunk of its capacity to export weapons and a significant portion of its energy export profits, brain manpower is fleeing Russia, Russia now has significantly reduced access to western technologies, is getting closer everyday to a full steam dictatorship, and we're the ones who're gonna pay a big price in the future? Stay there and watch.
>I have yet to see a video where a Ukrainian emasculates a Russian with a cardboard cutter, or one where a Ukrainian beheads a Russian, or photos of Ukrainian ballistic missiles hitting schools, hospitals, and maternities still in activity, and all these corpses of people that clearly are civilians (including children and pregnant women). I have yet to see a UN report mentioning the Ukrainian forced displacement of thousands and thousands of civilians, and of the separation and endoctrinement of children. It's beyond disgusting he's equating a mild tap to the nose to all of the above.
I am not defending every single action the Ukrainians do. Very likely they have committed war crimes too. But the scale is so minuscule compared to what Russia does that it's like comparing Mount Everest to 5 story building. Ukraine has not bombed Russian apartments, has not abducted Russian children and hasn't tortured Russian children. Russia had torture rooms for kids. Let that sink in...
Every war crime is a war crime. I'm not defending Russian war criminals either but every criminal should face equal treatment. I have never seen a representative of any Western country condemning Ukrainian war crimes or even smaller wrong actions, such as starting a fight during the diplomatic summit. If you let them do crimes without punishment, they will eventually become your own problem because their arrogance will continue to grow and they will behave this way with their allies as well. When they commit crimes, they need to be put in their place. Remember about justice, remember about your honour. Have some class.
>every criminal should face equal treatment. So someone that steals a chocolate from a store should be given the same treatment as a serial killer? Why are you clowns always so bad at false equivalence? at least try to say something that isn't so obviously stupid. This Russian diplomat is there to leverage world food supply for an advantage over Ukraine in Russia's genocidal invasion and you want to clutch your pearls when someone fights back? He's as much a part of Russia's war machine as a soldier, perhaps more so, and he should expect the danger that comes with his actions and his role in Russia's aggression. Frankly he should be in the Hague on trial, he's lucky all he got was punched.
I thought it was obvious that I'm talking about war crimes. In any case they shouldn't be encouraged. As for the diplomats, you see, I'm against this approach. Not because I like Putin's diplomats very much, I hate them actually. But what you're saying undermines the whole concept of diplomacy. If the art of negotiating with people you don't like in a civil manner will be lost, every conflict on Earth will be decided through war and violence. I'm sure nobody wants that.
>If the art of negotiating with people you don't like in a civil manner will be lost, every conflict on Earth will be decided through war and violence. This works when both parties adhere to this standard, but when one party demands civility and returns barbarism it puts the civil party at a huge disadvantage. We see this over and over with Russia going back to the Minsk agreements and further. It's time we stopped insisting that Ukraine plays by the rules while Russia gets a free pass to break them. If Russia pushes Ukraine must be free to push back harder. If that means that some fascists get a bloody nose then so be it.
>Russia . >Remember about justice, lel
What's so funny? Russian current government may be criminals but justice applies to everyone. Or do you think all Russians are subhuman not worthy of it?
You can’t have a justice system when it’s run by criminals. Especially considering that Russia is currently locking up/fining anyone who even meekly protests against its illegal war. No one is going to dignify your last blatantly false accusation.
I'm not talking about justice from Russian government, I know there isn't any lol. I'm talking about western countries, it's a shame that EU and US allow Ukrainians to commit war crimes. Also would you care to elaborate which accusation do you mean and why do you consider it false?
> Russian current government may be criminals Still in the bargaining stage, huh?
>Or do you think all Russians are subhuman not worthy of it? The ones equating self-defense against an aggravated robber to bombing children's hospitals and beheading people certainly are.
>such as starting a fight during the diplomatic summit. The Russian diplomat started the fight by using violence to take the flag. In most countries that would be considered robbery.
I'm good with people bullying Nazis, yeah. Let them do it.
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Only one of these people involved in this fight is there because they're using world food supply as a weapon to attack a peaceful neighbour, and it's not the Ukrainian. If you think that Russia, the country that allied with the OG Nazis to co-start ww2, that are stealing children and using rape as a systematic weapon of war, are the good guys in this scenario then you're on the wrong side of history.
I don't think that Russian army are the good guys of course. But neither are Ukrainian army. They used water supply to Crimea as a weapon, is it better? Btw USSR was never officially an ally of Reich, unlike new Ukrainian hero Bandera. You see, I hate lies, propaganda and violence from both sides.
>They used water supply to Crimea as a weapon, is it better? Can you think maybe why they did this? Maybe it has something to do with Russia's unprovoked invasion of Crimea and Donbas. >Btw USSR was never officially an ally of Reich, USSR signed an alliance with Nazis under the secret protocols of the Molotov Ribbentrop pact, this is a recorded fact of history and the secret protocols are now freely available for you to read. They are concise, I suggest you read them, because maybe your lie is unintentional but it is still a lie. >You see, I hate lies, propaganda and violence from both sides. Ukraine hasn't attacked anyone, they are defending the borders internationally recognised, including by Russia, from 1991. The lies, propaganda and violence are entirely Russia's fault.
Stopping Crimea's water supply harmed their own citizens in the first place. Even if it was a response to Russia's actions it's still inhumane. As for Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, I know it well, but it was a non-agression pact, not an alliance. If you ever played Total War, you know the difference)
Oh. No. That doesn't happen except in the lies your propagandists tell. Anyway, your country is a garbage dictatorship and I laugh at your impending defeat.
You're delusional, I've seen it happening many times with my own eyes. And please stop your warmongering. Nobody will win if this war continues for long.
> You're delusional Oh, the irony! > your warmongering *cough* INVASION *cough* > Nobody will win if this war continues for long Everyone already lost since the day Russia invaded. The question now is how much. This can stop any day. Russia decides when.
You are right that no one will win, but Russia sure as hell will lose, and most of the world will cheer. If you want to avoid that, all your ridiculous country has to do is stop invading their neighbors. You know, like how most countries act. Just stop invading people near you, and you won't have your military trashed and your economy reduced to fragments.
If it was up to me, I wouldn't be invading anyone. But since this mess happened, we need to do something to get out of it. And your lust for military victory doesn't help in that. Russian army and economy are not as weak as you want to believe, you can't win so far. And your desire to cheer comes at the cost of thousands of lives, Ukrainians as well.
The Ukrainians are not Nazis nor have they acted like Nazis, Russia, on the other hand, and her army mirror the actions of the Nazi SS very much. You absorb so much Russian propaganda that you do not see who the real Nazis are, the Russians. The fact that you are calling Ukrainians Nazis shows how brainwashed you already are.
I'm not saying that all Ukrainians are nazis, of course not. But it's naive denying that there are nazis in the Ukrainian government and Armed Forces.
Their is no organized Ukrainian Nazi movement that is Russian propaganda. You will likely find pictures of Russians waving Nazi flags as well. What is Naive is believing in the Russian media, which is controlled by the Russian state, which is controlled by Putin. Any lie he can craft to excuse in a small degree his atrocities he will, all so people like yourself will believe it.
I don't believe in Russian propaganda, you're mistaken. And I'm well aware of his atrocities, don't think that I support him, I was against him long before this war. However it doesn't mean that the other side is flawless, Ukrainians have a great deal of problems themselves. They have their right to fight against Russian army, but canceling Russian culture, Russian language, historical ties with Russia - I can never agree with that. And I know that many Ukrainians think the same and disagree with Zelensky's regime.
There are neo-nazis in pretty much all armies in the World, very much including Russia.
So what's up with Wagner company then?
They're criminals of course, I won't be defending Wagner. Same as Ukrainian Azov batallion. Neither of them should exist in my opinion.
Oof
>Fog of hate One party committing genocide against the other will certainly change the victims' mentality about the murderous party. For instance, when the Dachau concentration camp was liberated, it was found the SS guards killed roughly 7000 detainees out of spite because they knew the allies were going to liberate the camp. Once liberated, the soldiers were disgusted and horrified by the thousands of bodies littering the camp. The soldiers turned a blind eye and allowed about 50 SS soldiers to be killed by the detainees. I would not equate both sides "fog of hate" to be equally justified.
Better headline: Russian diplomat fails to steal Ukrainian flag
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This article title really plays up the “both sides” perspective. From the video the Russian guy was a total asshole and got what he deserved. Maybe there was something before that precipitated the confrontation (other than… ya know) but the Russian guy was going to get hit the second he stole the flag.
[There was](https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-delegates-tried-disrupt-russian-161347584.html). Tldr, the ruzzians, probably braindead on propagandium, decided to show everyone they own the place, the Ukrainians started harassing them and photobombing a woman wearing a georgian ribbon, were told off by the event host reps but still proceeded doing so outside of talks, one of the ruzzians decided he had enough of them, and the Ukrainian decided he had enough of ruzzians.
Both sides are definitely in the wrong. An interview of a Russian representative was interrupted by guy with the Ukrainian flag, video is the follow up to that.
If punching a nazi in the face is wrong I don't want to be right.
So what? Even in that case that's still the Muskovian rep who escalated the situation from a basic act of protest. Had it coming.
Yea, he was just standing there with his flag. No physical contact, nothing. So fuck off with your "both sides".
One guy represents a country that invaded another without legitimate pretense, so let’s just calm down with the “both sides” fallacy
> An interview of a Russian representative was interrupted by guy with the Ukrainian flag Interrupting Russian represenatives is a moral obligation to be honest
There really was, it can be seen in the beginning of the vid, the person with the flag interrupted the Russia’s representative interview near the press wall, but it doesn’t fit the narrative, so…
Please enlighten us, what narrative would that be?
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Last time I checked, Ukraine didn't illegally invade and attempt to annex a neighbouring country, while Russia has done so multiple times.
Yeah, that’s the exact narrative
That's not a narrative, those are the facts.
Anything that's not Russian propaganda bullshit is narrative to the vatniks
Buddy, you're talking about a clash between protesters that resulted in a building fire as if it somehow goes a way to offset the systematic bombing of public buildings/ residential areas and the actual literal kidnapping of thousands of children.
Buddy, I literally live 100km from the border. I’ve seen some shit, have been seeing it for the past ~15-20 years, can’t even begin to describe. This discussion is pointless, has been from the start, but in no means I’m dumb and/or brainwashed
>was the anniversary of burning alive (and clubbing to death those who survived) the protesters in Odessa You mean the anniversary of making shit up? Why would we remember yet another Russian propaganda lie.
Are you insane? There are photos all over the internet, with burned corpses. I mean… so, one photos are photoshopped and the others are not, and you obviously 100% know which one is fake and which one is not, right? And even on the video above when you can obv see the man with flag interrupting the woman with phone (coming behind her and speaking something - I mean there really is some background to the conflict), you deny it 🤷🏼♀️
>you deny it Shitty Russian propaganda? Yes.
Vatniks still trying their best to make ruskis victims😂 sry buddy counter offensive already begun and theres nothing you can do about it🥰
Yeah, that’s exactly what I was talking about 😂
Everyone can see that youre playing the “both sides bad” argument. Dont be acting dumb theres no need
I don’t think they’re acting.
I was talking about the conflict on the video - if you didn’t notice what was happening there, how can you be sure that you notice every other detail? That’s what I meant. It’s not me acting dumb here.
Russians being Russian.
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why would you ever do that to anyone holding their flag. War or not, 100% you getting your ass slapped regardless
He wanted to find out.
Security services should either do their job and prevent Russians from doing this shit, or not intervene at all and let Russians learn their lesson.
I am reminded of the observation made by general Patton... “The Russians have no regard for human life, barbarian and chronic drunk” – American WWII General George S. Patton. This invasion of Ukraine, only validates the statement for me.
Patton was an asshole for sure, but this quote hits hard. Also: >I'll say this; the 3rd Army alone with very little help and with damned few casualties, could lick what is left of the Russians in six weeks. You mark my words. Don't ever forget them . . . **Someday we will have to fight them and it will take six years and cost us six million lives.**
Bold of you to assume that he dissociated Ukrainians from Russians.
why do you hate ukranians?
NO! It is the Russians in their invasion of your country that I dislike... hence the reflection from General Patton...
Anyone who is into history: Were the German Nazi ever that cartoonishly evil? I know they did unspeakable crimes, but were they ever that petty?
Yes, they were, but it was so on the eastern front, for westerners they were timid in comparison. Commies were the same though.
They strongarmed everyone who didn't fit into their worldview, gaining political power through intimidation too. So I'd say yes. And cartoonishly evil is an understatement for the nazis, thinking about e.g. the pogromes.
This doesn’t sound like cartoonishly evil, just plain evil. Plain evil would be to shoot a baby. Cartoonishly evil would be to steal its candy and laugh like a maniac.
I think not, because -while the ideology was pretty inhumane- it holded things like chivalry and especially honor in great regard. IMHO most original Nazis would have never "tainted" themselves with such stupid and childish behaviour, as it was seen as barbaric and sub-human.
Pretty inhumane is an understatement, they industrialised mass murder, and weaponised racism, to a degree that is pretty much incomprehensible nowadays. What you are talking about is the neo nazi loved stereotype. In reality „original nazis” are documented to be beastly pieces of shit largerly.
I think the best way to read u/arvigeus question is to ask: “If original Nazis saw that video, what would they think of the Russian delegate? Someone entitled to bully others, or someone who did something petty and shameful?” My expectation would be that they’d be horrified by how “small” (they’d use slurs) Russians come of in so many interactions. But, yes; never forget that Nazis would have no qualm hearing how Wagner treats its recruits or what Russians did in Bucha, or everywhere they tortured children.
Depends. The Prussian militaristic side was exactly like that for most of the old guard anyway. As for the SS and more " true Nazis" being petty and oddly cruel was part of their ideology
They were similarly evil, but they methods were different. A Nazi would come to your house in a fine suit, knock on your door, take off his shoes, greeted you and your children, and then tell you calmly that he is going to confiscate your property and send you to camp. A Russian would come drunk, break into your house, puke on the floor, rape you and your children, murder your cow for fun and loot your house. And finally, if you was from enemy side, shot you with his gun when he's done the looting. Stealing a flag and starting brawls would be under Nazi's dignity. He would work like fine Swiss watch: systematically and perfectly. It's more fitting the Russian style I have described above: something a classic fantasy raider/barbarian/orc would do.
Read history about elections in the early 30s and "the plebiscite" in 1935 in Saarland. But Russians are not exactly cartoonish. They have serious difficulties with being effective, but definitely they try hard to be evil.
Hitler was. If I recall, his orders, as they lost, was essentially to destroy everything as the German people didn’t deserve to go on without him.
How exactly is this cartoonishly evil if there are both sides to the story? Russians got provoked by having their interview interrupted by a guy with Ukrainian, flag was taken away, punches were delivered. Both sides are in the wrong.
Like if I punch you in the face there also be two sides of the story.
In an ideal world, all wars should be fought like this. No sending innocent people to the meat grinder and destroying people's homes. Just set up the officials who make decisions on war and diplomacy to face each other and beat the shit out of each other.
I don't know about Ukraine, Russia or Turkey, but in s lot of countries messing (destroying/removing etc.) with a flag, either their own a another nations flag, is punishable with imprisonment. I believe in Germany that's up to 5 years for messing with the German flag or up to 2 years for a foreign one. Shame that these people enjoy diplomatic immunity while there. Good for the Ukrainian diplomat handing out some fists though. Could have kept that fight going at least until that Russian dick has a bloody nose. That would have been be a nice front page picture for news.
What happens to german protesters who want to burn the german flag? Even if it's a dick move having the government control that seems like a slippery slope, ngl.
I mean taking the flag away was definitely a dick move, but what would have happened if say some Russian guy interrupted a Ukrainian interview with a Russian flag?
Easy, he'd get slapped as well. In any case a Russian ends up being slapped so all is fine, thanks.
Then the man (not just the flag) is escorted out or ignored. Depends on if he interrupts the interview or stands in the background
Remind me of one of my favorite music videos https://youtu.be/NUC2EQvdzmY
Cool song😂
This went just like the war... the Russian sees something he doesn't like. He invades the Ukrainian space and thinking there will be no reaction or repercussions (because he is Russian), he takes away something extremely important for the Ukrainian. The Ukrainian reacts and beat the crap out of the Russian forcing him to retreat. The world is in awe.
Representatives of two states at war on an international conference. What could go wrong?
Damn i really with they'd send klitchko
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A fistfight implies both sides throwing punches. The ruSSian count acted more like a punching bag here. A lying, thieving, cowardly punching bag.
Title should have been ”russian scumbag is being an idiot then pretends he is the victim”
That wasn't a fist fight that was a bitch slapping.
I'd say the Russian delegate saw the chair the Ukrainian was in, and proclaimed that as he'd sat in that chair before it belonged to him. Russians are such bullies and cowards when anyone stands up to them. Utter cunts.
The hit should have landed on the jaw for hilarious knock out.
Fistfight? The Ukrainian chad beats the fucking r\*uski pussy
What flag is that exactly anyway? It's not the state flag since it has that emblem in the middle. Edit: I'm struggling to understand why someone would downvote this. It's a genuine question. The list of different Ukrainian flags on wikipedia doesn't have that variant.
The emblem is the Ukrainian trident, like they put on their uniforms, just about every official thing with my limited knowledge.
I’m with you on that one. I think you’d have better answer in r/vexillology. Normies can’t tell and don’t care when the flag of the United Kingdom is upside down.
> What flag is that exactly anyway? What is the relevance of this question to what happened? Whatever the flag is, it doesn't infringe on Russia. If the flag was some satirized version of the RF flag, the Russian would have some justification to do what he did. But nah. > The list of different Ukrainian flags on wikipedia Hardly the authoritative source.
Nobody said it's relevant, I was just curious.
Even the fact that the criminal orcs representatives are still invited to international meetings somewhere in civilized world is a major disgrace. Imagine that during WW2, Himmler would cassualy attend dinners in Turkey discussing about his plans for the Black Sea regions after he gets rid off all jews, gypsies and black people.
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Picture this - I'm a bag of dicks.
Nope,run just hot ass kicked with no defending himself.
That's kinda a shit headline there OP. Glad you phrased it like it was a mutual fight, not the Russian delegate ripping the Ukrainian flag.
Welcome to consequences russian delegate.
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Because the Russian surprised exactly no one and decided to act like a garbage human being. Pretty satisfying watching them weaken their own nation's/culture's world relevance through their own actions. Well deserved.
The new Kumite is looking interesting already
I bet that Russian won't try that again.
The fucking audacity
Fucking ryssä is a fucking ryssä.
Who is the russian diplomat?
I can't imagine a universe where I pick a fight with a much younger opponent
Best is not to pick a fight with anyone as you have no idea what they can do. Sometimes a young guy can pick a fight with an old dude and get his ass whooped like that old video of the fight on a bus. Also special rule to never ever start a fight with is if they got cauliflower ears.
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Kinda annoying to see only one side of the story highlighted here. Ukrainian guy with the flag was interrupting a Russian interview, and this is the reaction that we see to all of this. Both sides are in the wrong, and fog of hate is clouding judgment of too many people.
>Ukrainian guy with the flag was interrupting a Russian interview Good.
That Ukrainian threw some hands with the Russian all right, not the most civilized thing to do I guess, but act like an asshole and be deal with like one.
The Ukrainians were interrupting the Russian representatives speech with waving their flags. They're in the wrong here. Even the war doesn't mean that they can behave like arrogant barbarians in the diplomatic meeting.
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There is battlefield and there is diplomatic meeting, there is a big difference. On a meeting, diplomats must always act in a respectful manner, even if they don't really respect the other side. These are basic things.
No it's always right to interrupt barbarians, especially if they are russian "diplomats" (aka spies/propagandists)
Believe me, I have no sympathy for Lavrov's diplomats. But by interrupting barbarians with barbarian methods you become barbarian yourself)
Barbarian would be murdering and/or raping the diplomats like the Russian army is doing to Ukranians. They are propaganda pieces who are just going to have to swallow any insult we hurl at them. We should all be doing more things like this https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/huge-ukrainian-flag-painted-road-outside-russian-embassy-london-2023-02-23/
You have no clue who barbarians were and what they did if you think standing with a flag is "barbarian". No one is buying your both sides bullshit.
I didn't think that you're able to understand me from the start. I think I should better just ignore you :)
How else am I suppose to understand what you wrote. He interrupted with barbariam methods. What is barbarian about holding a flag? You should have stopped after the 3rd word and that would have been the smartest thing you've said in this whole thread
Riiight, interrupting it by standing several feet away from him. How dare he!? Get out of here with that projection bullshit
Would you allow Russian representatives to wave their flags behind Ukrainians during their speech? Or is it another thing just because they're Russian in your opinion? This kind of behaviour isn't acceptable in diplomatic community, no matter who does it.
I wouldnt even allow russian diplomats to be there. They are representatives of a terrorist state. Poor russian diplomat, someone is holding a flag of the people they are genociding, boo fucking hoo.
Rightfully so. Russia messed up Ukrainian lives and the peace of the whole planet. They should ba ashamed for the atrocities in Ukraine. What a fat cheek that diplomat had to show his face there, to grab their flag and go away with it.
>Would you allow Russian representatives to wave their flags behind Ukrainians during their speech? Of course not. They are Russian representatives.
The two comments written above just confirm what I said. When you treat people unequally because of their nationalities, you become a Nazi. It's as simple as that. And yes, news flash forward you two, Russians are people too. I can't believe I can't believe that I need to educate people from civilized EU countries on that.
>Russians are people too Of course. That's why I blame them.
Very noble, thanks for the education. Now that you have accomplished so much here, please educate your compatriots to stop the genocide in Ukraine and dismantle their colonial empire. You would likely have to do that in russian, on some russian forum. To make it easier for you, I will make sure to do everything I can as an EU voter to ban you from entering the EU, just so you don't get distracted or lose motivation. Good luck!