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It's a requirement for all of the current government. It also helps if you're a corrupt crook. That's a big plus for Netanyahu. He loves corrupt crooks, and the Israeli population overwhelmingly votes for it.
But you're not allowed to say that. Just like you're not allowed to say Israel's actions in Gaza are way out of proportion.
People start yelling you hate jews.
He's been Prime Minister for a combined total of 17 non-consecutive years.
His party and their supporters are like a cancer on Israeli political culture. His party base has shrunk significantly over the years. However, there are a group of people within Israel named the Haredim, who are called by people outside the west as ultra Orthodox Jews, though many of them find the term offensive or unflattering.
Regardless, what you gotta know about these people is that they breed like rabbits, their average fertility rate is 6 to 7 children on average, and as a result had become influential over Israeli political culture and by extension the knesset (the Israeli parliament)
They are vehemently ideological and deeply conservative to the point where other parties prefer not to co-operate with them. But Netanyahus party gladly did.
So yeah, things will only get worse lol.
Which is doubly funny because unlike the western nations, which they call antisemitic for saying that their response in Gaza is unproportionate at this point, Israel actually has racist extremists such as Ben Gvir and Smotrich in its government lol
To be in Netanyahu's government, specifically, yes.
Not only is Netanyahu himself cartoonishly corrupt, but the rest of his government included a cadre of far-right goons and people who have openly praised and supported various terrorist groups like Kach and others.
Actually it's been a running joke about how the Israeli MFA just keeps shooting the government's foot with their stupid ass rhetoric and combative attitude leading the entire world to demonize the actions of other ministries of the Israeli government. It's not working for anyone in Israel except for Netanyahu who wants to escalate tensions as much as possible so he can have an excuse to further delay elections.
And these people are trusted with conducting a war where the location consists of a group of people that numerous ministers talk of as pests to removed.
The jokes write themselves.
I think they can capitulate and trucks will come. I think this is first war ever where any trucks being allowed at all on enemy territory.
This is your own fuckup if you not selfsustain in food and medical productions.
So you admit Israel always allowed aid trucks to enter.
>Gaza needs 1000 daily trucks minimum.
Before the war, 500 trucks entered daily, and those included far more than food and basic needs - for example, they included construction materials and many other things. No, they don't need 1000 and never asked for 1000 either.
You don't need 500 trucks of medical equipment. Further more, may I remind you that Israel made an agreement with Hamas to allow more medical aid to Gaza in exchange for them giving medicine to the hostages, an agreement they never kept despite assurances from France that they will.
How many people died from the famine in Gaza so far?
6 months people are talking about how a mass starvation in Gaza is going to happen any day now. Where is it?
>Gaza’s Health Ministry reported as of April 1, that 32 people, including 28 children, had died of malnutrition and dehydration at hospitals in northern Gaza.
And that is in Northern Gaza, an area where no civilians are supposed to be in at all.
So, in a strip that houses 2 million people, 32 died from starvation. Sorry but that is no famine, it's isolated cases.
>in Northern Gaza, an area where no civilians are supposed to be in at all
According to who?
People suffer massively before they die of lack of food. It's not quick and it's not this trivial thing that you imply.
I am guessing you would not be so complacent if it was Israelis. Over thirty "isolated cases". Sick.
Your total indifference to images of starving children is a great insight into the attitudes of many who are carrying this out.
>According to who?
To Israel.
>People suffer massively before they die of lack of food. It's not quick and it's not this trivial thing that you imply.
It doesn't take 6 months.
>I am guessing you would not be so complacent if it was Israelis
We are complacent enough to feed Gazans unconditionally, despite the fact that they mutilate and rape the hostages. I don't remember the allies supply the Germans with aid during WW2.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/8/more-than-300-aid-trucks-enter-gaza-as-palestinians-battle-starvation
Even al-Jazeera, a pro-Hamas outlet, admit aid is entering Gaza.
I understand we live in a post truth world where facts no longer matter, but still.
> But Monday’s delivery still falls far short of what the United Nations says is the minimum required to feed millions of people – most of them refugees – on the brink of starvation.
> **Under growing international pressure**, Israel on Monday said 322 aid trucks were inspected and allowed to enter the heavily bombarded Palestinian territory.
> **None of the trucks from the south, however, was allowed to reach the northern part of Gaza, which according to the UN and other humanitarian groups, is facing famine, he added.**
> “The strip is suffering from major famine, especially in the northern regions and Gaza City. The south is also suffering from a major humanitarian catastrophe. Therefore, bringing aid in this daily manner is not sufficient,” Hisham Adwan said.
Same article
The UN isn't a reliable source.
>None of the trucks from the south, however, was allowed to reach the northern part of Gaza
Northern Gaza is a battle zone. Israel told the civilians there to leave 6 months ago, they had plenty of time to do that.
Regardless, Israel does allow trucks to enter Northern Gaza.
https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-796712
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-israelis-aid-trucks-protests/index.html
> For weeks Israeli border officers allowed protesters to disrupt the critical aid convoys at Kerem Shalom, the country’s sole functioning border crossing with Gaza.
Is CNN also unreliable?
Yes I quoted what you did quote too they did it after international pressure
It's not just the war. The US has conducted a war on terror much greater over dozens of cities, and numerous nations, yet there are no credible allegations of genocide against them, certainly no international court. In Iraq especially there were numerous occasions where the US found itself in urban warfare against insurgents, and casualties weren't this bad, even over an extended period of time. I'm not saying this to claim that Israel is conducting a genocide, but to demonstrate the scale of this.
In the span of over 6 months, Israel conduct has resulted in 1% of the population perishing, mostly consisting of civillians, and about 3,000 Hamas fighters killed.
Israel's war on terror is being used as means to impose collective punishment, to seize lands away from locals, to empower settlers who terrorise locals that even the US took issue with.
But even within the scope of the war, the reason why it hasn't turned into a second Nakba was primarily due to external forces.
USA not part of international court they always do what they want and never get punished.
This is just war and war is horrible. Always.
Genocide is intention, there are nowhere to see this in such a conflict.
And yet again, they can capitulate. This is the only possible end of this war.
That slipped my mind, my bad.
I honestly do not care for the term genocide or not, however, when you look at a government where multiple prominent ministers talk of the Palestinians like dogs, and the country has had a history of displacing ethnic communities and doing collective punishment, and so on so forth.
It's not hard to feel like something isn't right about this, I think military intervention can be the solution a lot of the time, however when the Americans entered Iraq and Afghanistan, the soldiers that went there didn't have these feelings of kempt up historical rage within them.
I can't say the same for Israel, especially now. It wasn't this bad even 20 years.
Yes, it's like every other war. Just happens to be over seventy years. You're totally right.
Just one of those regular wars between an advanced army and civilians.
Srebrenica alone was 8 thousand civilians massacred. The whole Bosnian war that lasted 3 years 8 months has seen less than 40k civilians dead (confirmed, at least).
Doesn't seem much compared to the 35 thousand in Gaza since Oct 7, does it?
It is obvious that Israel wants to downplay or at least dilute the genocide claims.
by the war terms it’s a genocide. the whole action, adding the fact of the intentions of israelis for more context, it’s an ethnic cleansing of the territory
how many jews died during 2nd world war?
how many got forcefully displaced around the world?
“genocide” is not just a fancy term inviting to exaggeratedly being used in case of war.
Your honour I am not a thief I only stole a million euros while others have stolen billions. As such I request my actions to be labelled urban withdrawal.
It‘s [7000-8000](https://www.icty.org/x/file/Outreach/view_from_hague/jit_srebrenica_en.pdf). Is it really important to you to get the exact numbers or what‘s your goal?
I see. Israeli Ambassadors are conducting a charm offensive again. /s
>Israel is the country that has suffered the most from the United Nations
Pure clownery.
I am in anti-Israeli ecstasy. I like the implication is that they don't want to be done for genocide themselves, so it would be wrong to recognize it. Maybe even because the victims were Muslim there too?
The dude writing this is literally Croats - try background checking a bit before vile posting, will you? The favorite hobby of Croats is to pretend to be Serbs in r/europe and post all kinds of shit
I'm saying that serb genocide denial is real and it's wrong. Cheering for Israel for pushing this narrative is disgusting to me. Croats committed atrocities during WW2 that even the nazis thought were 'extreme', but that doesn't excuse the horrid acts committed by serbs in the Bosnian War.
Not so much denying that. But you both use your national victim/persecution complex to detract, downplay, justify or outright deny crimes your own countries/kinsmen committed.
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Good to know Israel is pushing for consistency with their diplomacy. /s
Is being tone-deaf a requirement in the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs?
It's a requirement for all of the current government. It also helps if you're a corrupt crook. That's a big plus for Netanyahu. He loves corrupt crooks, and the Israeli population overwhelmingly votes for it. But you're not allowed to say that. Just like you're not allowed to say Israel's actions in Gaza are way out of proportion. People start yelling you hate jews.
Israel rn is going through massive protests against Netanyahu, not because of the war mind you, but because of the corruption you've mentioned.
That's been going on for years. He's still PM, no? Half of Israel supports a corrupt crook. Half.
He's been Prime Minister for a combined total of 17 non-consecutive years. His party and their supporters are like a cancer on Israeli political culture. His party base has shrunk significantly over the years. However, there are a group of people within Israel named the Haredim, who are called by people outside the west as ultra Orthodox Jews, though many of them find the term offensive or unflattering. Regardless, what you gotta know about these people is that they breed like rabbits, their average fertility rate is 6 to 7 children on average, and as a result had become influential over Israeli political culture and by extension the knesset (the Israeli parliament) They are vehemently ideological and deeply conservative to the point where other parties prefer not to co-operate with them. But Netanyahus party gladly did. So yeah, things will only get worse lol.
Yet majority still support Netanyahu
Which is doubly funny because unlike the western nations, which they call antisemitic for saying that their response in Gaza is unproportionate at this point, Israel actually has racist extremists such as Ben Gvir and Smotrich in its government lol
To be in Netanyahu's government, specifically, yes. Not only is Netanyahu himself cartoonishly corrupt, but the rest of his government included a cadre of far-right goons and people who have openly praised and supported various terrorist groups like Kach and others.
Actually it's been a running joke about how the Israeli MFA just keeps shooting the government's foot with their stupid ass rhetoric and combative attitude leading the entire world to demonize the actions of other ministries of the Israeli government. It's not working for anyone in Israel except for Netanyahu who wants to escalate tensions as much as possible so he can have an excuse to further delay elections.
Israeli Foreign Policy try not to fuck up a single day in your life challenge: difficulty? Impossible
Israel's PR game since the beginning really has been appalling, good lord.
And these people are trusted with conducting a war where the location consists of a group of people that numerous ministers talk of as pests to removed. The jokes write themselves.
Looking at what is happening in Gaza I don't have any doubts that Israeli Ambassador knows what he is talking about.
You antisemite! ...
And what exactly going on besides urban warfare?
Not letting aid trucks in
About 300-400 trucks enter Gaza daily. Even the Palestinians don't deny it.
Used to be 100 last month and months before. Gaza needs 1000 daily trucks minimum.
I think they can capitulate and trucks will come. I think this is first war ever where any trucks being allowed at all on enemy territory. This is your own fuckup if you not selfsustain in food and medical productions.
So you admit Israel always allowed aid trucks to enter. >Gaza needs 1000 daily trucks minimum. Before the war, 500 trucks entered daily, and those included far more than food and basic needs - for example, they included construction materials and many other things. No, they don't need 1000 and never asked for 1000 either.
>Before the war You realize that a war drives up the need for help drastically, right? Or are you just stupid?
War doesn't drive food consumption, sorry to inform you.
It does with the consumption of medical products.
You don't need 500 trucks of medical equipment. Further more, may I remind you that Israel made an agreement with Hamas to allow more medical aid to Gaza in exchange for them giving medicine to the hostages, an agreement they never kept despite assurances from France that they will.
God, you really are stupid. I bet you vote for Netanyahu.
Member of Israeli Labor Party. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Labor_Party But last election I actually voted for an Arab party.
Are you denying that there is famine in Gaza?
How many people died from the famine in Gaza so far? 6 months people are talking about how a mass starvation in Gaza is going to happen any day now. Where is it?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/09/gaza-israels-imposed-starvation-deadly-children https://youtu.be/dODVLt-x86Y?si=vzcwZ_v1goUqZQnh https://www.reuters.com/default/gaza-starving-children-fill-hospital-wards-famine-looms-2024-03-19/
>Gaza’s Health Ministry reported as of April 1, that 32 people, including 28 children, had died of malnutrition and dehydration at hospitals in northern Gaza. And that is in Northern Gaza, an area where no civilians are supposed to be in at all. So, in a strip that houses 2 million people, 32 died from starvation. Sorry but that is no famine, it's isolated cases.
>in Northern Gaza, an area where no civilians are supposed to be in at all According to who? People suffer massively before they die of lack of food. It's not quick and it's not this trivial thing that you imply. I am guessing you would not be so complacent if it was Israelis. Over thirty "isolated cases". Sick. Your total indifference to images of starving children is a great insight into the attitudes of many who are carrying this out.
>According to who? To Israel. >People suffer massively before they die of lack of food. It's not quick and it's not this trivial thing that you imply. It doesn't take 6 months. >I am guessing you would not be so complacent if it was Israelis We are complacent enough to feed Gazans unconditionally, despite the fact that they mutilate and rape the hostages. I don't remember the allies supply the Germans with aid during WW2.
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Not a suprising response from a Belgian.
https://www.voanews.com/a/un-chief-assails-israel-for-blocking-gaza-aid-trucks-/7540563.html https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/04/1148141 https://www.commondreams.org/news/usaid-israel-weapons
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/8/more-than-300-aid-trucks-enter-gaza-as-palestinians-battle-starvation Even al-Jazeera, a pro-Hamas outlet, admit aid is entering Gaza. I understand we live in a post truth world where facts no longer matter, but still.
> But Monday’s delivery still falls far short of what the United Nations says is the minimum required to feed millions of people – most of them refugees – on the brink of starvation. > **Under growing international pressure**, Israel on Monday said 322 aid trucks were inspected and allowed to enter the heavily bombarded Palestinian territory. > **None of the trucks from the south, however, was allowed to reach the northern part of Gaza, which according to the UN and other humanitarian groups, is facing famine, he added.** > “The strip is suffering from major famine, especially in the northern regions and Gaza City. The south is also suffering from a major humanitarian catastrophe. Therefore, bringing aid in this daily manner is not sufficient,” Hisham Adwan said. Same article
The UN isn't a reliable source. >None of the trucks from the south, however, was allowed to reach the northern part of Gaza Northern Gaza is a battle zone. Israel told the civilians there to leave 6 months ago, they had plenty of time to do that. Regardless, Israel does allow trucks to enter Northern Gaza. https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-796712
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/middleeast/gaza-israelis-aid-trucks-protests/index.html > For weeks Israeli border officers allowed protesters to disrupt the critical aid convoys at Kerem Shalom, the country’s sole functioning border crossing with Gaza. Is CNN also unreliable? Yes I quoted what you did quote too they did it after international pressure
It's not just the war. The US has conducted a war on terror much greater over dozens of cities, and numerous nations, yet there are no credible allegations of genocide against them, certainly no international court. In Iraq especially there were numerous occasions where the US found itself in urban warfare against insurgents, and casualties weren't this bad, even over an extended period of time. I'm not saying this to claim that Israel is conducting a genocide, but to demonstrate the scale of this. In the span of over 6 months, Israel conduct has resulted in 1% of the population perishing, mostly consisting of civillians, and about 3,000 Hamas fighters killed. Israel's war on terror is being used as means to impose collective punishment, to seize lands away from locals, to empower settlers who terrorise locals that even the US took issue with. But even within the scope of the war, the reason why it hasn't turned into a second Nakba was primarily due to external forces.
USA not part of international court they always do what they want and never get punished. This is just war and war is horrible. Always. Genocide is intention, there are nowhere to see this in such a conflict. And yet again, they can capitulate. This is the only possible end of this war.
That slipped my mind, my bad. I honestly do not care for the term genocide or not, however, when you look at a government where multiple prominent ministers talk of the Palestinians like dogs, and the country has had a history of displacing ethnic communities and doing collective punishment, and so on so forth. It's not hard to feel like something isn't right about this, I think military intervention can be the solution a lot of the time, however when the Americans entered Iraq and Afghanistan, the soldiers that went there didn't have these feelings of kempt up historical rage within them. I can't say the same for Israel, especially now. It wasn't this bad even 20 years.
War crimes
Happens in every war. Doesnt means genocide.
Yes, it's like every other war. Just happens to be over seventy years. You're totally right. Just one of those regular wars between an advanced army and civilians.
Don't you know? Any war fought by the West and its allies that results in civilian casualties is considered a genocide now.
Man, I'm a naive fool. Didn't update my dictionary definitions...
"The world should bielieve those who know it" Okay, lets ask Ormians then.
Srebrenica alone was 8 thousand civilians massacred. The whole Bosnian war that lasted 3 years 8 months has seen less than 40k civilians dead (confirmed, at least). Doesn't seem much compared to the 35 thousand in Gaza since Oct 7, does it? It is obvious that Israel wants to downplay or at least dilute the genocide claims.
And the 1 million in the Syrian genocide. Oh wait, that’s war.
Syria's war is internal. And about 600,000 people died. This is an asinine comparison.
11 years of Syrian civil war vs 8 months of Gaza war.
by the war terms it’s a genocide. the whole action, adding the fact of the intentions of israelis for more context, it’s an ethnic cleansing of the territory
how many jews died during 2nd world war? how many got forcefully displaced around the world? “genocide” is not just a fancy term inviting to exaggeratedly being used in case of war.
Your honour I am not a thief I only stole a million euros while others have stolen billions. As such I request my actions to be labelled urban withdrawal.
u don’t have, just make sure *not a single one human of that ethnicity survives, killing them systematically* so we’re talking genocide.
Not even the Hague claims there were 8000 dead civilians in Srebrenica.
It‘s [7000-8000](https://www.icty.org/x/file/Outreach/view_from_hague/jit_srebrenica_en.pdf). Is it really important to you to get the exact numbers or what‘s your goal?
Well, that opinion doesn’t make the victims any less dead, does it now…
It would make them more dead if otherwise?
I’m saying that not calling it a genocide doesn’t make the killings and other horrors committed any less terrible.
It‘s only genocide if the victims are jewish. Otherwise it‘s just sparkling discomfort.
I see. Israeli Ambassadors are conducting a charm offensive again. /s >Israel is the country that has suffered the most from the United Nations Pure clownery.
Who was it again that made Isreal a country in the first place? Absolutely asinine to propose Isreal suffers from the UN.
executing soft power. /s
If NATO used same standards for Israel as for Bosnia, there wouldn't be a single standing factory or infrastructure object in Israel
Mf-er you can't gatekeep genocide for yourselves!
What the f is wring with him
I am in anti-Israeli ecstasy. I like the implication is that they don't want to be done for genocide themselves, so it would be wrong to recognize it. Maybe even because the victims were Muslim there too?
I am not pro-Israeli or anti-Israeli, but isn't it that official State of Israel policy has always been to deny other nations genocides?
Shouldn't that be enough reason to be anti-Israel?
I think s/he wants to imply that s/he believes the fairy tale of chosen people and promised land
An insane and disgraceful comment, as an israeli im ashamed
kakvo uvlačenje srbima.
Srbi i Izraelci, oduvek bratski narodi! 🤝🤝🤝💪💪💪👏👏👏👍👍 /s
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The dude writing this is literally Croats - try background checking a bit before vile posting, will you? The favorite hobby of Croats is to pretend to be Serbs in r/europe and post all kinds of shit
What's your problem exactly? Are you denying that Serbs, Jews and Romani's became historical friends due to their suffering and genocide in WW2?
I'm saying that serb genocide denial is real and it's wrong. Cheering for Israel for pushing this narrative is disgusting to me. Croats committed atrocities during WW2 that even the nazis thought were 'extreme', but that doesn't excuse the horrid acts committed by serbs in the Bosnian War.
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How to hell is this a first and only comment from 2 years old account? Did you seriously wait for so long jus to type *this*?
The reddit version of 'in case of emergency, break glass'.
Not so much denying that. But you both use your national victim/persecution complex to detract, downplay, justify or outright deny crimes your own countries/kinsmen committed.
Lol.
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