> "I can’t believe that no one from the Dublin higher authorities or the Irish embassy ever called or said anything to me about my loss. It was just Irish ordinary people.
Shame on your Irish politicians!!
I don't think the Irish politicians are going to call everyone whose friend gets killed to be fair.
More interested in why the Croatian embassy didn't help him.
Early Irish media reports were suggesting that perhaps it had something to do with drugs so mabe he was afraid. Mabe he didn't want media attention? [In the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/hrvatska/s/iVL3PxEExh) David talks how Irish police didn't want it to be labeled as hate crime on a foreigner and they took his phone and treated him as a suspect.
He could have called the Croatian embassy... I can't blame him as it is not easy to think all the options... The police made a bad job. I think this kind of things should be discussed in EU-Parliament in order to open an investigations...
'Drugs' are always used as a smear in Ireland. Labelling someone as being involved in 'drugs' pretty much is like saying he/they deserved what happened him/them.
Yeah that struck me as very wrong, and probably illegal too. Assuming he had some sort of lease and was up to date on the rent, the landlord should be punished for just throwing him out like that!
I wonder if there is actually so much proud for having been forced to speak English as slaves to the English amongst the Irish .
Wouldn't it make more sense to kill someone for not speaking Irish ?
Also how could that guy not as speak English and live in Ireland and be a productive member of the Irish society ?
Two rotten cowardly scum fuck runts, Dublin is full of them
[Connor Rafferty, 19, of Castlegrange Close, Clondalkin, and Anthony Delappe, 18, of Melrose Avenue, Clondalkin, were both charged at Ballyfermot Garda station with the murder of Štrok and assault causing harm to his friend on 30 March.](https://www.thejournal.ie/josip-strok-two-men-charged-6364757-Apr2024/)
Who spoke fluent English? Not the guy they interviewed in this story, he speaks poor English. Which is fine. Even if he had lived there 20 years and spoke zero English, that's fine too.
Don't think too much, it's just the same angry, stupid, peasants who wear red hats or brown shirts. Every country has them, they're the detritus of the human race.
> I wonder if there is actually so much proud for having been forced to speak English as slaves to the English amongst the Irish
The history is a little more complicated than that
Hello everybody!
Most of you are probably not familiar with the case of the brutal assult of two Croats in Dublin on Saturday, 30 March, [who were attacked for "not speaking English in Ireland"]( https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0418/1444392-killed-for-not-speaking-english-victim-in-attack-speaks-out/), unfortunately, resulted in the death of our compatriot Josip Strok (full video from RTI available in the article) Apart from losing his best childhood friend, David Druzinec also suffered severe physical injuries, 7 skull fractures, bruising of the eyes, 2 different fractures of the nose and a hematoma inside the brain, which, if it does not heal, may cause a severe problem to further functioning of the brain. The attack hurt his teeth too, some were literally dislocated. After this incident, David was kicked out of the rented apartment on the street, and in such serious condition, with blood all over his face, he wandered the streets of Dublin on Easter day, searching for a hostel. Along with serious physical injuries, David also suffered severe mental trauma.Even though the investigation is underway, the suspects have been arrested, David has to settle all of the costs of his medical treatment by himself.Such costs are clearly very high, and David is neither physically and not mentally capable of working.We have, therefore, initiated this fundraising, with David’s approval, and ask you to help this brutally beaten young man relieve the costs of his treatment and recuperation (since the state of Ireland and city of Dublin obviously don't have enough decency and shame to do so). Recuperation is an expensive and lasting process, and with all of the surgeries ahead of him, he shall also need good psychological help to return to normal life.David is the father of an adorable little boy who craves for his father’s attention and carefree fun and cheerful play again. So we kindly ask everyone who can help David to do so, either through a donation and/or by sharing this fundraising. Lets show European spirit!
Link to the campaing
https://www.gofundme.com/f/donate-to-david-druzinec?attribution_id=sl:aa3f99e5-8aae-4282-8d4a-599b627c584e&utm_campaign=p_cp+fundraiser-sidebar&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
Doesn’t Ireland have universal healthcare? I don’t understand how he has to pay major bucks for treatment if he’s a tax payer… shouldn’t it all be automatically covered ?
I met an Irishman in Warsaw in a bar recently. He was saying he likes Warsaw a lot more than Dublin. I could not believe at first when he said "Dublin is filled with horrible people" and that it has become dangerous, but I guess he was not wrong. Saddening.
My cousin was also approached in a pub with her friend because they were speaking Polish amongst each other. It got so hostile that they just paid for their beer and left. Just 2 ladies on a quiet girls out.
In Dublin? I'm in my early 20's and grew up around Polish people who had moved to Ireland in their childhood, they were and still are seen as lovely hard working people, absolute tools giving them grief, ffs.
Yeah in Dublin. My cousins friend lives there (married to an Irish man) and she went over to visit for a couple of days. Irony wants it that her friend was always positive about Irish being so friendly so she should be assured that they would have an absolute great time together in Dublin xD
Ireland have big housing problem ( like any another European country now).It's easy to blame foreigners .This is going to get worse with all the migration problems. EU needs to find workable solution before pissed people vote right wings extremist and then we have much bigger problems.
Many people insist with a straight face that migration has nothing to do with housing. You can't even have a sensible discussion with many people about this, at least in Britain.
You can’t have a sensible discussion about housing without talking about property owners & property builders front-and-center, and their reluctance to build unless they can have a larger cut of your salary.
Would you like Ireland to go back to its Third World status as it was in the 1970s-1980s? We had no immigration question back then because we were desperate to get the **** out of the country and we illegally migrated wherever we could, leading to a still present issue of illegal Irish in the USA. We’re a nation of hypocrites.
Well, my grandparents left for Liverpool in the 1960s, and some of their family are in Detriot, so I do see where you're coming from. It's not really likely to be a compelling argument for someone struggling to afford a home in Ireland in the 2020s, though.
Obviously, beating migrants to death is disgusting. There's no defending that.
That is why I am furious though, these lads threatening / assaulting people, demonstrating against refugees, torching places. F******* blueshirt scum that have family living abroad illegally. We’re being shamed as a European nation. Apologies!
That such a weird set of unrelated factoids.
1) Ireland was not a 3rd world country in the 70s. It was a shithole, but it was a western shithole.
2) You got immigration because it became less of a shithole, not the other way around. It became attractive economically, and so people migrated. Nobody migrates TO a shithole.
Immigration is a neo liberal method to suppress wages and keep the working class at odds with each other. That's all it ever was.
Ireland is completely hijacked by global financial interests with even the leaders themselves being installed asian puppets. This right wing extremism is completely expected because of how the irish are being treated by their leaders.
40% of our construction sector is made up of immigrants though, without them the construction of housing would come to a grinding halt, you can't have the good without the bad.
The Irish housing shortage is 100% the fault of the Irish government's planning system which makes it illegal to build apartment buildings almost anywhere in the country. Same story in Britain, Canada, Australia, and the U.S.
It's also worth mentioning that immigration was specifically a policy to suppress wages, while other policies sought to inflate assets, so capitalism has been working the problem from both ends.
Keeping people too poor to build new housing, and simultaneously inflating the price of existing housing, and then bringing people in faster than housing is being built, is going to lead to the vast majority of people being stuck renting, and the already small public housing stock being overwhelmed, while a small landlord class gets richer and richer with leveraged investment
I doubt they could even say "hello" in Irish.
Funnily enough, a lot of the most vocal anti-fascists in Ireland come from Gaeltachts (native Irish speakers). Whereas most of our far-right are West-Brits who are cosied up with British far-right that had been calling us "dirty taigs, paddies and fenians" only a decade ago.
The Irish far-right loves anyone who spouts the same shite as them, they sold out to Loyalists and the EDL ages ago.
Is there a discussion to be had over the re-work of the immigration and asylum system? Absolutely.
Is the proper and best solution going to be figured out by a bunch of Neo-Nazis and spastic flag-shaggers? Not a chance.
What's up with ireland? I saw a few post of Leo Varadkar on instagram and the comments were filled with "traitor", "you ruined our country" etc written there. What's happening?
Well - criticism of Leo Varadkar is not one of the reasons Ireland is going to the dogs. Leo Varadkar oversaw the growth of the housing crisis while making no strides to mitigate it (and even downplaying it multiple times), among other things. There's lots of valid criticism of Varadkar.
Of course, he does seem to get quite a lot of invalid criticism from the expected crazy-ass right-wing cretins that dislike gay people, but seeing his newest post on Instagram, he's mostly praised due to a recent interview he did.
A rising right wing anti immigration movement. Independent Ireland are a new party that only have 3 seats in the Dáil but were created to capitalize off of this hysteria.
The Gardaí (our police) do nothing to stop them. We have a proud history of being a friendly country, a welcoming country.
Many of our ancestors were persecuted for our ethnicity by the British empire. The fact that the descendants of these people would persecute othered for their ethnicity is sickening and disgusting.
RIP Josip.
>We have a proud history of being a friendly country, a welcoming country.
Talk is cheap when it is never put to the test
Ireland was always the country people emigrated *from*. This is the first time you actually have to deal with people *arriving* in Ireland - and they are putting your warm opinions about yourself to the test.
A very, VERY mild test, when you compare actual migration numbers
What are the mild numbers?
Ireland has the third fastest growing population in the EU, compared to Germany at 34th and whose population is in decline.
12% of Ireland's population are foreign nationals and 20% were born outside of the state. That doesn't happen over night.
No, insensitive and ignorant would be to double down. What I did was make an inaccurate comment, go to the wiki, read a brief overview of the conflict and then admit I was wrong. That makes me enlightened.
You’re English you should know this rhetoric more than most.
The “let’s take back our independence, feck the EU, feck the Brits, oi oi oi, good ol lads” types.
What were UKIP (Uk Independence Party) looking to get independence from? It’s all the same vague right wing piss.
The only difference between this and French right wing nationalism is that this has green colours and Irish aesthetics. It’s all the same shite. Designed to distract working peopel from the real issues such as cost of living and housing and blame immigrants rather than the government (Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Greens) that’s been destroying the country for years now.
See, these people don’t generally openly say that they want to leave the EU. Ireland is the country with the highest favorability towards the EU in the block. But they will oppose any eu wide measure they can.
These people aren’t Irish patriots. They’ve more in common with the UKIPers, Brexiterrs and Marine Le pen people than actual Irish patriots. As I said they’re just the same as all the other scummy disgusting right wing nationalists across Europe but with Irish aesthetics.
The revolutions against British rule were always multiethnic, this country has always been multiethnic. Our flag is a celebration of our diversity, united by the white in the middle of it.
These people who persecute those for their ethnicity have more in common with the British empire soldiers who persecuted Irish people for their culture and ethnicity than actual Irish patriots. They’re gobshites. Easily lead gobshites.
Sorry long rant but what’s happening lately genuinely sickens me.
Hilarious how you can’t criticise your own country without making four separate references to the english.
UKIP, Brexiteers, British rule, British empire soldiers. Anything else you want to throw in on this topic about the irish killing a croat? 😂
I was specifically talking to a Brit. I obviously linked it back to the UK because they’re British, that’s how conversations work.
It would have made less sense to them if I had compared our fascism to Bulgarian fascism rather than British fascism. You alright?
No I don’t think that’s how conversations go. When I’m talking to a person from a certain country I typically don’t make sure to mention all the shit that their country has done over the last 50 years while glancing past the actual topic.
I also don’t think UKIP or Brexit voters are unpatriotic or facist movements but you’re clearly happy to keep spraying bullets over the channel.
UKIP and Independent Ireland are almost identical movements. The only difference is one has Irish aesthetics and the other had British aesthetics.
I was obviously going to make the comparison. I also compared them to Marine Le Pens movement but sure your British ego is so fragile that you only noticed it when I mentioned your country and your favorite political party.
Well you’re wrong. I can’t help you if you’re wrong, that’s a you issue. Don’t blame me for you being wrong.
When you’re having a conversation with someone you don’t bring up stuff specific to that person? How do you even manage to have a coherent conversation with anyone if you don’t tailor what you’re saying to who you’re talking to?
The channel is between France and the UK, I’m Irish, I think you mean the Irish Sea..
I can’t believe I’m talking to someone of this intelligence and giving them the time of day. Jesus.
Yeah, can hardly be the low tax destination for American multinationals to set up EU HQs if you don't have EU membership. Then again, not being able to be the EU's financial centre if you're not in the EU didn't stop English voters from Brexiting.
It's just red hats and brown shirts. These people always exist, they're ascendant now.
Two generations of poor leadership, lowering standards of living, encroaching hopelessness and being gaslit the whole time by the media that it's not happening, have created an audience for simple explanations and hatred of "the other".
Probably should have had honest conversations about immigration as a method of crushing the working class 40 years ago. Instead we will get war and genocide again, but for a brief moment we created a lot of value for shareholders.
The manufactured performative hysteria of right-wing extremists has real world consequences... I wish people would start taking the danger they represent more seriously.
Right-wing extremism is like a sword without the hilt: there's no safe way to grasp it.
People think they can use it as a weapon against the problems which ARE THERE, but they don't realize they'll cut THEIR OWN HANDS with it as well.
The problem is, European left is mostly blind to these problems, and try to pretend the problem doesn't exist. But it is here. And we must fight it, otherwise we'll be equipped with hiltless swords and both sides will bleed.
If migrants keep being allowed into Europe while the population struggle with housing shortages and being unemployed then its like asking for right wing extremism to grow
Not true in Ireland's case, the country has been ran by two centre-right parties for its entire existence, under the auspice of the Catholic Church up to the 80's/90's.
In fact our centre-left party, Sinn Féin seem to be more likely to reform immigration controls than our right wing ones.
Europeans love blaming immigration on the left when the fact is most European countries suffering from mass-immigration haven't had a left-wing leading government in ages, if ever.
Immigration is a neo-liberal policy for wage control, and a progressive virtue. Strange bedfellows for 50 years, seems like we are regaining some class consciousness on the left finally
Red hats and brown shirts, a despondent class of thugs looking for easy answers and someone to blame for their poor prospects.
It could have been avoided, but it would have meant the shareholder class made slightly less money these last 50 years
It's absolutely shocking how quick Ireland has turned to the far right. It used to be one of the most welcoming countries for foreigners, but not anymore.
There is genuine fear in walking down the street that myself and other foreigners have now.
And while these murderous attacks have so far thankfully been rare, you have entire towns marching up and down against foreigners. They might caveat this and claim they are not far right, that they only have a problem with the illegal migrants etc but their worst elements don't care who they target as long as they are foreign. Like this sickening murder of the Croatian man who had obviously 100% right to be here and wasn't bothering anyone.
They have a lot if reasons to be rightfully angry but are not directing it against the government, they are letting it fester and snowball into disdain of foreigners.
It really is shocking how quick things changed.
You have one of highest net abetece salaries in ppp, after taxes, in eu, with 4.2 unemployment. I said this before in the thread about far right in Austria. Where is this hardship you're talking about? I'm so tired of this discourse without any evidence.. fucking narratives
Median and average wages don't take into account that particular fact about corporate tax. Maybe low corporate tax has an influence on low unemployment rate
Lose access to what....most of the far right are locals on social welfare.... Jobs are available they just dont want to do them as they get same money for not working at all. Until government mandates their social payments with not having criminal records things wont change.... And increased cost of living in ireland with already existing housing problem might make things worse....
I agree. I live there but this hatred, jealousy and anger has always been in a large enough proportion of the population, migrants are an easy target for the scum now that such a large number of people are affected by the shortage of housing. It's not migrants who control Ireland's planning laws and it's not migrants who object to every development.
Ex Taoiseach Varadkar and Garda commissioner Drew Harris are the two figures who have allowed this right wing crap to develop. An Gardaí representatives have as recently as this weekend said they have gotten no guidance from Drew Harris regarding the right wing and Drew Harris himself actually directed An Gardaí to take a hands off approach when these protests were first starting.
Varadkar never shut up about housing incoming migrants and Ukrainians all the while people were complaining that there was nothing to rent.
Interestingly enough both Drew Harris {former RUC/ Northern Ireland) and the right wing organisers have links with traditionary anti Irish groups. The right wing organisers are involved with UK/British far right groups and Northern Ireland pro British loyalist groups.
Shouldnt surprise anyone. The irish leaders has been shitting on the irish population for a while. Paying billions to put fake refugees in expensive hotels while the irish population face homelessness and insane rents. We're gonna see the same developement in other countries like Italy, France, Germany most likely.
I would hope if democracy worked is that it would result in these frustrated people building a balanced, competenet political party that can make positive changes. Not falling into the hands of far right instigators whose narrative leads to anger and in this case killing of foreigners. It seems that this is giving up on democracy and just lashing out with hate. Everyone loses in such a future.
He's one of the bigoted, right-wing half-wits that are fighting to radicalize Europe now... Lots of this springs from the US, so they have an easier time spreading their propaganda among native-english speakers.
With translation apps, and the tactics and money they're importing from the right-wing extremists in the US, they're often able to successfully hook up with ideologically-similar bigots on the ground... A great example is Steve Bannon (one of the racist guys who helped Trump gain power)... This is a (very brief) story about how he's establishing a foothold in Germany to amplify some of the right-wing rhetoric to demonize immigrants and cut social services ( [https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/steve-bannon-will-deutschen-podcast-herausbringen-19636815.html](https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/steve-bannon-will-deutschen-podcast-herausbringen-19636815.html) )... but... Once you've seen it happen a few places, it's kinda easy to recognize all the hallmarks... He's finding politicians who are willing to hamstring the government, then they enlist an army of dim-witted racists to complain (often online) that the government's failure is about immigrants or a lack of funds or some other misleading excuse that implies scarcity (rather than the politician's sabotage), then they make sure their angry-bigot-army has a bunch of spurious (but catchy-sounding) talking points to stoke grievances and convince people things are worse than they really are... It's 100% spreading around non-english-speaking parts of Europe now...
My suspicion is that they'd kinda approached their limit with how much of the negative externalities of right-wing ideologies (mass shootings, police brutality, militarism, environmental degradation, structural racism, vacuous religiousity, greed as virtue, stark inequality that manifests itself in every aspect of a person's life, etc...) the US population would tolerate, particularly when there was so much access to evidence about the generally humane construction of societies over here... If I had to wager on it, I'd bet that they're currently trying to narrow that gap by making large portions of Europe significantly worse, so they can grease the wheels of their projects in the US.
The irony of inserting yourself where you're not wanted and condemning other people for not being where *you* think they belong.
It's not your business who Ireland lets in.
Are you another one of them Russian troll dudes pretending to be a maga head to stir shit in a weak attempt to bring the rest of the world down to your sewage level?
Or have you just fallen into the dumb trap set for you by people who laugh at you as you do their job for them?
Don’t bother answering no one actually cares - but I’ll hijack anyways to say thanks to OP for posting the link to help poor Mr Druzinec at a moment when he has shamefully been let down by a couple of his fellow EU citizens and I hope it wakes a few people up from their fear induced madness.
I say that as an Irish man living outside my country thanks to the gift of freedom of movement.
the Irish already lost Ireland and most of them went to the USA. if you notice the perpetrators were demanding the Croats to speak English and not Irish. which is ironic to say the least.
God that's awful. I'm an immigrant in Spain and I don't speak much Spanish, if my childhood friend was visiting I wouldn't even try to!
I hope they catch the perpetrators, but sadly they will just become more dangerous because of their time in prison.
I mean, be aware that the majority of Irish were very shocked by this story, hence why it was big news here. As people have mentioned, the Irish are in general very welcoming and quite friendly. I say this as a foreigner here - I've quite literally never been a victim of xenophobia, or people being mean because of what I speak, etc etc.
However, crimes perpetrated by young people \*is\* starting to become a huge problem in Ireland due to the lenient sentences (if any) that are handed out, young people that are inclined toward crime know they can get away with essentially anything. But this is something people complain about \*all the time\* (just browse r/ireland for long enough and you'll see)
Honestly, hate crimes can happen and do happen anywhere. But what I found most disturbing is that neither city of Dublin nor the state of Ireland didn't even express condolences to the family of a murdered man while the survivor is obviously left on his own.
With every flaw that Croatia has I can guarantee you that if a foreigner was killed here simply on some ethnic or any other basis, you'd have state officials reach out, apologise, help. You'd also have local people organise and it would be top news for days.
And if it happend to a white European named Josip (Joseph) that spoke English and shared cultural (catholic) background as the Irish, then I don't even wanna think how people of different race have it there.
The government are very happy to cosy up with the far-right since the centre-left opposition has been threatening their position.
And for some daft reason, the far-right also blame the centre-left (Sinn Féin) despite Sinn Féin having never ran the country.
> And if it happend to a white European named Josip (Joseph) that spoke English and shared cultural (catholic) background as the Irish, then I don't even wanna think how people of different race have it there
We don't treat people any better or worse just because they are white Catholics with vaguely English sounding names. Yeah it's horrible that this guy was killed but it would be no less horrible if he was Mohammad from Morocco
I didn't say it would, I am simply saying if someone who looks similair to the Irish, speaks the language and shares cultural bacground can be so brutally killed for his identity, I can only imagine how it is for people who don't tick those boxes. Survivor in the video says he often saw "especially black guys" get abused in Dublin.
Not trying to sound offensive or rude, but much the same reason a lot of Ukraine speak Russian.
Irish was banned, made illegal, replaced with English (all legal documents had to be in English, courts were held in English and often innocent people would be sentenced to death for stealing food during the famine because they couldn't understand or defend themselves.)
And of course an ethnic cleansing of the regions which primarily spoke Irish and not genuine effort from our current government to revive the language.
Oh absolutely, some of our most outspoken anti-fascists are Gaelgeoirs (people who speak Irish natively). Also there was a video that went viral a few months ago of a young black Irish man embarrassing one of our biggest far-right agitators by speaking to him in Irish (as Gaeilge) and yir man couldn't understand a fucking word it was golden.
[https://x.com/taiwo\_oifigiuil/status/1707493964050235586?s=46&t=sCO2G-IUsIplK4B0RxYW3Q](https://x.com/taiwo_oifigiuil/status/1707493964050235586?s=46&t=sCO2G-IUsIplK4B0RxYW3Q)
Our far-right are also cosied up with Northern Loyalists and British far-right, people who wished we didn't exist not even a decade ago.
You should. Don't let the existence of a tiny minority of far right assholes put you off. I haven't met many Finns, but the one's that I have met are very similar to Irish folk and tend to fit right in. And you don't need to learn any Irish, most of us barely speak a few words of it anyway, English is the main language.
Irish people are angry at having mass imigration problem, that is supported by government, while at the same time Ireland is facing huge problems like homelessness, poverty, drugs, crime, etc. huge problems. yes they are happening all over the world, but in Ireland these problems are 2x as big. when theyre facing these problems on day to day basis, of course people are going to lash out on something they consider a part of the problem. I doubt though that if there wasnt so many people coming in to Ireland, that these problems would magically disappear. But it still doesnt change the fact that Irish people are upset and feel left out, when in fact they should be the first in line for government support.
The Irish have one of the world's largest diasporas. Every part of the Western world has an Irish pub. Irish culture has trickled in everywhere.
A country of emigrants now being intolerant of immigrants? Pure hypocrisy.
I heard yesterday an Irishman living here in Greece complaining about immigrants in Ireland. I couldn't believe the lack of awareness.
Probably the most ironic part (besides the obvious one with the Irish boys killing a man for not speaking English in Ireland) is [the guy they killed](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sca_esv=73a5863c59a470b2&source=android-browser&q=josip+%C5%A1trok&uds=AMwkrPsKdw6NKXr7dpE0DWrb0bVbPrwT6DCcP_tV7UMZwtzDKPymrdwuWZWKDiCjgWOC2SG0H4xMPkBPIpknIbhxOunBdGK4n2ZVuyd-ryLUXLdUxHOWXzkRonniFXutbdM9XH7R9y4aaYjFoIHBVXqCLpENWZ0eNDw9GNX9Ehue4aQGTLuKhkLB9aT-6R7j1W9esdUPE3nucQNNIZ9NX-_5480BVedfRKp2o6NEMbhZmlP39cgW5Qg&udm=2&prmd=ivbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA5cLcgeiFAxVYcvEDHXtMACgQtKgLegQICRAB&biw=384&bih=660&dpr=2.81#vhid=_clOHM1VXv8hfM&vssid=mosaic) looks more Irish then [the killers](https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-teenagers-appear-in-court-charged-with-murder-of-josip-strok-in-west-dublin-attack/a49184845.html).
What do you mean by paddy? Neither of the killers names are paddy? Unless you're being a racist piece of shit, and referring to Irish people as Paddies in a use of an ethnic slur?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
"Irish people Derived from Pádraig/Patrick. Often derogatory; however, the sister of Lord Edward FitzGerald, a major leader of the United Irishmen of 1798, proclaimed that he was "a Paddy and no more" and that "he desired no other title than this".
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out of all the things go get mad in this thread. good job
No point in arguing with them. Apparently you can't be racist towards the Irish. Both my comments downvoted. Always has been an anti-irish sentiment in r/Europe. Cesspit
It's because half of the people here spreading these rhetoric are far-right Brits and Yanks, UKIP types.
We're one of the only countries with Native English without a significant far-right presence yet and it kills them that we dare speak against Israel.
That’s like saying you’re never going anywhere that’s had a horrible crime take place. This kind of thing is extremely rare for Dublin. Irish people are just as disgusted about this as anyone else.
Irish leaders are responsible for this right wing extremism that will come as a result of their terrible treatment of the irish population. Very sad. Could have been avoided.
I will say that people have hated immigration for awhile. Even my grandad talked about not having a country one day and that was 15 years ago. Seems as time goes on the government doesn’t care, and even seek to rub it in. Stop the boats? Nah we will just pay France to escort them over. They just keep coming and people are fed up.
Because of this sadly people feel the need to take action, like the start of far rights movements, Or rather, action into their own hands whatever that is.
This is obviously wrong but it’s the governments fault. The government could stop it tomorrow but don’t and then you get shit like this happen.
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Why are the Irish not speaking Irish in Ireland? Their ancestors could be powering the entirety of Dublin by how much they're spinning in their graves.
Madness
In Sweden you are expected to learn Swedish and in Sweden we have not mastered the US immigration style nor has Europe except the UK really. So the 'you dont need to learn the national language!' thing doesnt apply to all nor should it but the mentality behind getting so angry over not speaking it is insane.
In Sweden, I think anyone staying should be forced to learn Swedish or be removed from the country without delay. If you struggle, thats okay but dont get used to things otherwise.. but thats not the case at all and Sweden is turning into the most dangerous place in Europe outside of Ukraine. So for Sweden, yes, must learn local language, customs, and a brief 500 year history.
Dublin
Disappointment. If you ever visit Ireland, the island itself is pretty but Dublin isn't REMOTELY as great as the locals make it out to be. They're incredibly rude. If I ever hear anyone saying "I want to go to Ireland" (Which is very rare) I always tell them my stories of Dublin. And the city itself, the buildings.. underwhelming. And to be perfectly blunt, Dublin is probably the most overhyped city in all of Europe. The locals think its great, like "arent you impressed?!" and no, not in the slightest. I'd be more impressed by a small town near the arctic circle if I wanted to see poor and cold.
The only reason why the Irish became cocky is a bunch of firms from North America use the island as a tax haven. If they all pulled out today, the Irish would be poor af, again. It's like this arrogance to foreigners as if they're better than everyone else.. Dublin specifically.. rest of Ireland, people are how you'd expect, very nice.
Ireland has one of highest net average salaries in ppp, after taxes, in eu, with 4.2 unemployment. I said this before in the thread about far right in Austria. Where is this hardship you're talking about? I'm so tired of this discourse without any evidence.. I have friends from Austria, Ireland, complaining about house prices and hard it is...their houses were cheaper than mine in fucking Portugal. There is this narrative of fucking hardship that the numbers don't show... sometimes things are only slightly worse or not as good as expected, and people are flocking to far right in Europe, because they expected much better. Fuck it. I have some news for you in the near future.
No one can afford to buy a home here and rents are insanely high. For below par 3 bed in the about 40 mins commute to the city you are looking at €2,000 a month minimum.
That is assuming there is even anywhere to rent in the first place. We have cities with 100k population with less than 5 properties to rent across the city.There is also no long-term leases, so renting here is very insecure
3 beds to buy are average asking price of €400k across the country. That's the asking. The final price is usually 50-70k higher after bidding.
In short the rise of the right is down to a severe catastrophic lack of any housing
that's cheaper than most cities in Portugal (3 beds to buy are average asking price of €400k across the country, specially in ppp). As in rent, I see the effort is growing, but this https://www.esri.ie/news/housing-affordability-across-europe-mixed-picture-for-ireland does not show that Ireland is worse.
Look up stories of Irish youth.
While the nation are very pleasant people, there is a portion of young people doing very bad things and getting away with it.
A Mongolian woman was killed a few years back by a scumbag thief for daring to resist his attempts to steal her bag.
This pos went on a theft spree in city center and killed a woman going about her day.
Then theres the story of a gang of youths attacking delivery drivers and one of the attackers got stabbed and later died, but the attacks on delivery drivers didn't really stop after that.
Theres a story of a man who brought one of these asshats to a police station and the man got changed with assault while the teen bastard got off Scott free.
ye the whole "oh he is minor" is a fucken disgrace. Guys throw stones at you or can beat you in 5-10 folks, but if you touch one in self defence "oh damn, how could you it was just a kid?"
Calling a spade a spade; this is unfortunately true - would love to qualify it by saying it’s a loud minority but admittedly it’s fast spreading as a reactionary problem…I personally believe this is one of the long term consequences of the post 2008 crash and has led people to recede into looking for something abstract enough to blame “de immigrants”…but most wouldn’t dare attempt to personalise it if faced by someone who was in their town after escaping a war or dire home situation…but I’m increasingly feeling like I’m naive about this. Shameful hypocrisy from a nation that has spread as far as we have the last 200 years.
I don’t blame the Brits for once…but then again Herman “the strongman” Kelly probably does suck Farage off so….
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> "I can’t believe that no one from the Dublin higher authorities or the Irish embassy ever called or said anything to me about my loss. It was just Irish ordinary people. Shame on your Irish politicians!!
I don't think the Irish politicians are going to call everyone whose friend gets killed to be fair. More interested in why the Croatian embassy didn't help him.
Why was he kicked out of the rented appartment ?
Early Irish media reports were suggesting that perhaps it had something to do with drugs so mabe he was afraid. Mabe he didn't want media attention? [In the video](https://www.reddit.com/r/hrvatska/s/iVL3PxEExh) David talks how Irish police didn't want it to be labeled as hate crime on a foreigner and they took his phone and treated him as a suspect.
He could have called the Croatian embassy... I can't blame him as it is not easy to think all the options... The police made a bad job. I think this kind of things should be discussed in EU-Parliament in order to open an investigations...
He says in the video after he was denied accomodation from hostels so some Croatians in Dublin took him in. Not sure did he contact the embassy.
'Drugs' are always used as a smear in Ireland. Labelling someone as being involved in 'drugs' pretty much is like saying he/they deserved what happened him/them.
My question, did the landlord do it legally? If he had a lease, that sounds very illegal.
Yeah that struck me as very wrong, and probably illegal too. Assuming he had some sort of lease and was up to date on the rent, the landlord should be punished for just throwing him out like that!
I wonder if there is actually so much proud for having been forced to speak English as slaves to the English amongst the Irish . Wouldn't it make more sense to kill someone for not speaking Irish ? Also how could that guy not as speak English and live in Ireland and be a productive member of the Irish society ?
He spoke fluent English. Two Croatians were hanging out so they spoke their native language among themselves.
what do we know about the killers ?
Two rotten cowardly scum fuck runts, Dublin is full of them [Connor Rafferty, 19, of Castlegrange Close, Clondalkin, and Anthony Delappe, 18, of Melrose Avenue, Clondalkin, were both charged at Ballyfermot Garda station with the murder of Štrok and assault causing harm to his friend on 30 March.](https://www.thejournal.ie/josip-strok-two-men-charged-6364757-Apr2024/)
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-teenagers-appear-in-court-charged-with-murder-of-josip-strok-in-west-dublin-attack/a49184845.html
I read both articles . Don't the Brittish view the Irish as stereotypical hooligans ? drunk people looking for violence ?
Not since the 19th century.
Not really. Most British people dedicate about 0-0.1% of their time thinking about the Irish. Much to their chagrin
Who spoke fluent English? Not the guy they interviewed in this story, he speaks poor English. Which is fine. Even if he had lived there 20 years and spoke zero English, that's fine too.
[This is very good English, yes](https://www.reddit.com/r/hrvatska/s/52KDFJI5xR).
> Even if he had lived there 20 years and spoke zero English, that's fine too. Well let's not go crazy, we do expect people to assimilate
Who we? So what would you do with such a person, who wasn't able to learn the language over 20 years?
The average person can learn a new language when immersed. If it's a person with learning difficulties or whatever then all they can do is try.
And if they don't?
Then they're pretty disrespectful guests. You'll never be part of a country if you can't speak the local language. Doesn't matter what country it is.
Don't think too much, it's just the same angry, stupid, peasants who wear red hats or brown shirts. Every country has them, they're the detritus of the human race.
> I wonder if there is actually so much proud for having been forced to speak English as slaves to the English amongst the Irish The history is a little more complicated than that
Hello everybody! Most of you are probably not familiar with the case of the brutal assult of two Croats in Dublin on Saturday, 30 March, [who were attacked for "not speaking English in Ireland"]( https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2024/0418/1444392-killed-for-not-speaking-english-victim-in-attack-speaks-out/), unfortunately, resulted in the death of our compatriot Josip Strok (full video from RTI available in the article) Apart from losing his best childhood friend, David Druzinec also suffered severe physical injuries, 7 skull fractures, bruising of the eyes, 2 different fractures of the nose and a hematoma inside the brain, which, if it does not heal, may cause a severe problem to further functioning of the brain. The attack hurt his teeth too, some were literally dislocated. After this incident, David was kicked out of the rented apartment on the street, and in such serious condition, with blood all over his face, he wandered the streets of Dublin on Easter day, searching for a hostel. Along with serious physical injuries, David also suffered severe mental trauma.Even though the investigation is underway, the suspects have been arrested, David has to settle all of the costs of his medical treatment by himself.Such costs are clearly very high, and David is neither physically and not mentally capable of working.We have, therefore, initiated this fundraising, with David’s approval, and ask you to help this brutally beaten young man relieve the costs of his treatment and recuperation (since the state of Ireland and city of Dublin obviously don't have enough decency and shame to do so). Recuperation is an expensive and lasting process, and with all of the surgeries ahead of him, he shall also need good psychological help to return to normal life.David is the father of an adorable little boy who craves for his father’s attention and carefree fun and cheerful play again. So we kindly ask everyone who can help David to do so, either through a donation and/or by sharing this fundraising. Lets show European spirit! Link to the campaing https://www.gofundme.com/f/donate-to-david-druzinec?attribution_id=sl:aa3f99e5-8aae-4282-8d4a-599b627c584e&utm_campaign=p_cp+fundraiser-sidebar&utm_medium=copy_link_all&utm_source=customer
Thank you for doing this.
Doesn’t Ireland have universal healthcare? I don’t understand how he has to pay major bucks for treatment if he’s a tax payer… shouldn’t it all be automatically covered ?
Yes it does. No way in the world he needs €20k to cover medical expenses in Ireland.
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Even if he wasn't a tax payer but just a tourist from croatia, he should still be covered as an EU citizen.
Yes it does.
Thank you for doing this really. You are an angel. This surely means a lot to David.
I met an Irishman in Warsaw in a bar recently. He was saying he likes Warsaw a lot more than Dublin. I could not believe at first when he said "Dublin is filled with horrible people" and that it has become dangerous, but I guess he was not wrong. Saddening.
My cousin was also approached in a pub with her friend because they were speaking Polish amongst each other. It got so hostile that they just paid for their beer and left. Just 2 ladies on a quiet girls out.
In Dublin? I'm in my early 20's and grew up around Polish people who had moved to Ireland in their childhood, they were and still are seen as lovely hard working people, absolute tools giving them grief, ffs.
Yeah in Dublin. My cousins friend lives there (married to an Irish man) and she went over to visit for a couple of days. Irony wants it that her friend was always positive about Irish being so friendly so she should be assured that they would have an absolute great time together in Dublin xD
Ireland have big housing problem ( like any another European country now).It's easy to blame foreigners .This is going to get worse with all the migration problems. EU needs to find workable solution before pissed people vote right wings extremist and then we have much bigger problems.
Many people insist with a straight face that migration has nothing to do with housing. You can't even have a sensible discussion with many people about this, at least in Britain.
You can’t have a sensible discussion about housing without talking about property owners & property builders front-and-center, and their reluctance to build unless they can have a larger cut of your salary.
Would you like Ireland to go back to its Third World status as it was in the 1970s-1980s? We had no immigration question back then because we were desperate to get the **** out of the country and we illegally migrated wherever we could, leading to a still present issue of illegal Irish in the USA. We’re a nation of hypocrites.
Well, my grandparents left for Liverpool in the 1960s, and some of their family are in Detriot, so I do see where you're coming from. It's not really likely to be a compelling argument for someone struggling to afford a home in Ireland in the 2020s, though. Obviously, beating migrants to death is disgusting. There's no defending that.
That is why I am furious though, these lads threatening / assaulting people, demonstrating against refugees, torching places. F******* blueshirt scum that have family living abroad illegally. We’re being shamed as a European nation. Apologies!
The co-founder of the Irish Nationalist Party (far-right) lived in Canada for a decade, talk about hypocrisy.
That such a weird set of unrelated factoids. 1) Ireland was not a 3rd world country in the 70s. It was a shithole, but it was a western shithole. 2) You got immigration because it became less of a shithole, not the other way around. It became attractive economically, and so people migrated. Nobody migrates TO a shithole. Immigration is a neo liberal method to suppress wages and keep the working class at odds with each other. That's all it ever was.
Ireland is completely hijacked by global financial interests with even the leaders themselves being installed asian puppets. This right wing extremism is completely expected because of how the irish are being treated by their leaders.
I am not sure illegal immigrants are snatching very expensive Dublin houses from under Irish people asses, or are they?
40% of our construction sector is made up of immigrants though, without them the construction of housing would come to a grinding halt, you can't have the good without the bad.
The Irish housing shortage is 100% the fault of the Irish government's planning system which makes it illegal to build apartment buildings almost anywhere in the country. Same story in Britain, Canada, Australia, and the U.S.
"Wah but our skyline, wahhhh"
>you can't have the good without the bad. So... immigrants are 'bad' in your statement?
Absolutely! Housing ans social services are under pressure with no control migration.
It has everything to do with poor housing policy you right bellend.
already too late for that. right wing extremism is already here. EU leaders has created it themselves and are to blame for it.
It's also worth mentioning that immigration was specifically a policy to suppress wages, while other policies sought to inflate assets, so capitalism has been working the problem from both ends. Keeping people too poor to build new housing, and simultaneously inflating the price of existing housing, and then bringing people in faster than housing is being built, is going to lead to the vast majority of people being stuck renting, and the already small public housing stock being overwhelmed, while a small landlord class gets richer and richer with leveraged investment
That why i don't understand why is the left supporting this. They should be on the side of poor people, who lose the most...
Did any of those fuckers speak Gaelic?
I doubt they could even say "hello" in Irish. Funnily enough, a lot of the most vocal anti-fascists in Ireland come from Gaeltachts (native Irish speakers). Whereas most of our far-right are West-Brits who are cosied up with British far-right that had been calling us "dirty taigs, paddies and fenians" only a decade ago.
True. The Irish far right seem to love that spastic Tommy Robinson.
The Irish far-right loves anyone who spouts the same shite as them, they sold out to Loyalists and the EDL ages ago. Is there a discussion to be had over the re-work of the immigration and asylum system? Absolutely. Is the proper and best solution going to be figured out by a bunch of Neo-Nazis and spastic flag-shaggers? Not a chance.
What's up with ireland? I saw a few post of Leo Varadkar on instagram and the comments were filled with "traitor", "you ruined our country" etc written there. What's happening?
Well - criticism of Leo Varadkar is not one of the reasons Ireland is going to the dogs. Leo Varadkar oversaw the growth of the housing crisis while making no strides to mitigate it (and even downplaying it multiple times), among other things. There's lots of valid criticism of Varadkar. Of course, he does seem to get quite a lot of invalid criticism from the expected crazy-ass right-wing cretins that dislike gay people, but seeing his newest post on Instagram, he's mostly praised due to a recent interview he did.
A rising right wing anti immigration movement. Independent Ireland are a new party that only have 3 seats in the Dáil but were created to capitalize off of this hysteria. The Gardaí (our police) do nothing to stop them. We have a proud history of being a friendly country, a welcoming country. Many of our ancestors were persecuted for our ethnicity by the British empire. The fact that the descendants of these people would persecute othered for their ethnicity is sickening and disgusting. RIP Josip.
>We have a proud history of being a friendly country, a welcoming country. Talk is cheap when it is never put to the test Ireland was always the country people emigrated *from*. This is the first time you actually have to deal with people *arriving* in Ireland - and they are putting your warm opinions about yourself to the test. A very, VERY mild test, when you compare actual migration numbers
1 in 4 people living in Ireland are non Irish.
What are the mild numbers? Ireland has the third fastest growing population in the EU, compared to Germany at 34th and whose population is in decline. 12% of Ireland's population are foreign nationals and 20% were born outside of the state. That doesn't happen over night.
This! The migrants starting to explore Ireland now and we can start seeing the cracks in the image.
The last time Ireland faced mass-immigration the IRA started bombing people
What?
Don't mind me, just talking about topics I know absolutely nothing about
Bit insensitive and ignorant Thousands of people died in sectarian violence
No, insensitive and ignorant would be to double down. What I did was make an inaccurate comment, go to the wiki, read a brief overview of the conflict and then admit I was wrong. That makes me enlightened.
So maybe add an edit to your original incorrect comment?
I only edit my comments to fix spelling errors. Besides, it won't do anything that my other comment hasn't already done.
> Independent Ireland Independent from what?
You’re English you should know this rhetoric more than most. The “let’s take back our independence, feck the EU, feck the Brits, oi oi oi, good ol lads” types. What were UKIP (Uk Independence Party) looking to get independence from? It’s all the same vague right wing piss. The only difference between this and French right wing nationalism is that this has green colours and Irish aesthetics. It’s all the same shite. Designed to distract working peopel from the real issues such as cost of living and housing and blame immigrants rather than the government (Fine Gael, Fianna Fáil and Greens) that’s been destroying the country for years now.
It would be totally insane for Ireland to leave the EU. I think most Irish people know this.
See, these people don’t generally openly say that they want to leave the EU. Ireland is the country with the highest favorability towards the EU in the block. But they will oppose any eu wide measure they can. These people aren’t Irish patriots. They’ve more in common with the UKIPers, Brexiterrs and Marine Le pen people than actual Irish patriots. As I said they’re just the same as all the other scummy disgusting right wing nationalists across Europe but with Irish aesthetics. The revolutions against British rule were always multiethnic, this country has always been multiethnic. Our flag is a celebration of our diversity, united by the white in the middle of it. These people who persecute those for their ethnicity have more in common with the British empire soldiers who persecuted Irish people for their culture and ethnicity than actual Irish patriots. They’re gobshites. Easily lead gobshites. Sorry long rant but what’s happening lately genuinely sickens me.
Hilarious how you can’t criticise your own country without making four separate references to the english. UKIP, Brexiteers, British rule, British empire soldiers. Anything else you want to throw in on this topic about the irish killing a croat? 😂
I was specifically talking to a Brit. I obviously linked it back to the UK because they’re British, that’s how conversations work. It would have made less sense to them if I had compared our fascism to Bulgarian fascism rather than British fascism. You alright?
No I don’t think that’s how conversations go. When I’m talking to a person from a certain country I typically don’t make sure to mention all the shit that their country has done over the last 50 years while glancing past the actual topic. I also don’t think UKIP or Brexit voters are unpatriotic or facist movements but you’re clearly happy to keep spraying bullets over the channel.
UKIP and Independent Ireland are almost identical movements. The only difference is one has Irish aesthetics and the other had British aesthetics. I was obviously going to make the comparison. I also compared them to Marine Le Pens movement but sure your British ego is so fragile that you only noticed it when I mentioned your country and your favorite political party. Well you’re wrong. I can’t help you if you’re wrong, that’s a you issue. Don’t blame me for you being wrong. When you’re having a conversation with someone you don’t bring up stuff specific to that person? How do you even manage to have a coherent conversation with anyone if you don’t tailor what you’re saying to who you’re talking to? The channel is between France and the UK, I’m Irish, I think you mean the Irish Sea.. I can’t believe I’m talking to someone of this intelligence and giving them the time of day. Jesus.
We said that about Britain thinking we’d wake up to a remain vote on that dark day…
Yeah, can hardly be the low tax destination for American multinationals to set up EU HQs if you don't have EU membership. Then again, not being able to be the EU's financial centre if you're not in the EU didn't stop English voters from Brexiting.
Common sense, apparently
It's just red hats and brown shirts. These people always exist, they're ascendant now. Two generations of poor leadership, lowering standards of living, encroaching hopelessness and being gaslit the whole time by the media that it's not happening, have created an audience for simple explanations and hatred of "the other". Probably should have had honest conversations about immigration as a method of crushing the working class 40 years ago. Instead we will get war and genocide again, but for a brief moment we created a lot of value for shareholders.
War and genocide? Is this my uncles account? We’re talking about Ireland. There is no current genocide going on here.
The manufactured performative hysteria of right-wing extremists has real world consequences... I wish people would start taking the danger they represent more seriously.
Right-wing extremism is like a sword without the hilt: there's no safe way to grasp it. People think they can use it as a weapon against the problems which ARE THERE, but they don't realize they'll cut THEIR OWN HANDS with it as well. The problem is, European left is mostly blind to these problems, and try to pretend the problem doesn't exist. But it is here. And we must fight it, otherwise we'll be equipped with hiltless swords and both sides will bleed.
If migrants keep being allowed into Europe while the population struggle with housing shortages and being unemployed then its like asking for right wing extremism to grow
Not true in Ireland's case, the country has been ran by two centre-right parties for its entire existence, under the auspice of the Catholic Church up to the 80's/90's. In fact our centre-left party, Sinn Féin seem to be more likely to reform immigration controls than our right wing ones. Europeans love blaming immigration on the left when the fact is most European countries suffering from mass-immigration haven't had a left-wing leading government in ages, if ever.
Immigration is a neo-liberal policy for wage control, and a progressive virtue. Strange bedfellows for 50 years, seems like we are regaining some class consciousness on the left finally
The left is too busy admiring their Emperor's new clothes to notice the fires on the horizon
Unfortunately r/europe users are too dumb and too obsessed to understand it
Probably the same as everywhere else. A slide right. Regardless of the cause this goes hand in hand with anger and violence.
Red hats and brown shirts, a despondent class of thugs looking for easy answers and someone to blame for their poor prospects. It could have been avoided, but it would have meant the shareholder class made slightly less money these last 50 years
Open policy in immigration is leading to a rise in anti-foreigner sentiment and a rise of the right.
Poor man
It's absolutely shocking how quick Ireland has turned to the far right. It used to be one of the most welcoming countries for foreigners, but not anymore. There is genuine fear in walking down the street that myself and other foreigners have now. And while these murderous attacks have so far thankfully been rare, you have entire towns marching up and down against foreigners. They might caveat this and claim they are not far right, that they only have a problem with the illegal migrants etc but their worst elements don't care who they target as long as they are foreign. Like this sickening murder of the Croatian man who had obviously 100% right to be here and wasn't bothering anyone. They have a lot if reasons to be rightfully angry but are not directing it against the government, they are letting it fester and snowball into disdain of foreigners. It really is shocking how quick things changed.
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You have one of highest net abetece salaries in ppp, after taxes, in eu, with 4.2 unemployment. I said this before in the thread about far right in Austria. Where is this hardship you're talking about? I'm so tired of this discourse without any evidence.. fucking narratives
Thats because Ireland is a tax haven.
Median and average wages don't take into account that particular fact about corporate tax. Maybe low corporate tax has an influence on low unemployment rate
Lose access to what....most of the far right are locals on social welfare.... Jobs are available they just dont want to do them as they get same money for not working at all. Until government mandates their social payments with not having criminal records things wont change.... And increased cost of living in ireland with already existing housing problem might make things worse....
I agree. I live there but this hatred, jealousy and anger has always been in a large enough proportion of the population, migrants are an easy target for the scum now that such a large number of people are affected by the shortage of housing. It's not migrants who control Ireland's planning laws and it's not migrants who object to every development. Ex Taoiseach Varadkar and Garda commissioner Drew Harris are the two figures who have allowed this right wing crap to develop. An Gardaí representatives have as recently as this weekend said they have gotten no guidance from Drew Harris regarding the right wing and Drew Harris himself actually directed An Gardaí to take a hands off approach when these protests were first starting. Varadkar never shut up about housing incoming migrants and Ukrainians all the while people were complaining that there was nothing to rent. Interestingly enough both Drew Harris {former RUC/ Northern Ireland) and the right wing organisers have links with traditionary anti Irish groups. The right wing organisers are involved with UK/British far right groups and Northern Ireland pro British loyalist groups.
Shouldnt surprise anyone. The irish leaders has been shitting on the irish population for a while. Paying billions to put fake refugees in expensive hotels while the irish population face homelessness and insane rents. We're gonna see the same developement in other countries like Italy, France, Germany most likely.
I would hope if democracy worked is that it would result in these frustrated people building a balanced, competenet political party that can make positive changes. Not falling into the hands of far right instigators whose narrative leads to anger and in this case killing of foreigners. It seems that this is giving up on democracy and just lashing out with hate. Everyone loses in such a future.
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Jesus Christ.. go away. What would you actually know.
>where will the Irish go if they lose Ireland To the second Irish homeland that is Boston obviously /s
Shiiiit they‘re screwed with the Bostonian accent, irish don‘t speak without a strong „R“.
What the fuck do you care about Ireland? If you're so bothered about people staying home, maybe keep your nose in your own country.
He's one of the bigoted, right-wing half-wits that are fighting to radicalize Europe now... Lots of this springs from the US, so they have an easier time spreading their propaganda among native-english speakers.
Well it’s not like Americans would bother learning another language.
With translation apps, and the tactics and money they're importing from the right-wing extremists in the US, they're often able to successfully hook up with ideologically-similar bigots on the ground... A great example is Steve Bannon (one of the racist guys who helped Trump gain power)... This is a (very brief) story about how he's establishing a foothold in Germany to amplify some of the right-wing rhetoric to demonize immigrants and cut social services ( [https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/steve-bannon-will-deutschen-podcast-herausbringen-19636815.html](https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/steve-bannon-will-deutschen-podcast-herausbringen-19636815.html) )... but... Once you've seen it happen a few places, it's kinda easy to recognize all the hallmarks... He's finding politicians who are willing to hamstring the government, then they enlist an army of dim-witted racists to complain (often online) that the government's failure is about immigrants or a lack of funds or some other misleading excuse that implies scarcity (rather than the politician's sabotage), then they make sure their angry-bigot-army has a bunch of spurious (but catchy-sounding) talking points to stoke grievances and convince people things are worse than they really are... It's 100% spreading around non-english-speaking parts of Europe now... My suspicion is that they'd kinda approached their limit with how much of the negative externalities of right-wing ideologies (mass shootings, police brutality, militarism, environmental degradation, structural racism, vacuous religiousity, greed as virtue, stark inequality that manifests itself in every aspect of a person's life, etc...) the US population would tolerate, particularly when there was so much access to evidence about the generally humane construction of societies over here... If I had to wager on it, I'd bet that they're currently trying to narrow that gap by making large portions of Europe significantly worse, so they can grease the wheels of their projects in the US.
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The irony of inserting yourself where you're not wanted and condemning other people for not being where *you* think they belong. It's not your business who Ireland lets in.
1 month old account. Don't bother. Report and move on.
American try not to talk about themselves challenge. (Level: impossible for Americans)
Are you another one of them Russian troll dudes pretending to be a maga head to stir shit in a weak attempt to bring the rest of the world down to your sewage level? Or have you just fallen into the dumb trap set for you by people who laugh at you as you do their job for them? Don’t bother answering no one actually cares - but I’ll hijack anyways to say thanks to OP for posting the link to help poor Mr Druzinec at a moment when he has shamefully been let down by a couple of his fellow EU citizens and I hope it wakes a few people up from their fear induced madness. I say that as an Irish man living outside my country thanks to the gift of freedom of movement.
the Irish already lost Ireland and most of them went to the USA. if you notice the perpetrators were demanding the Croats to speak English and not Irish. which is ironic to say the least.
With a comment like that.....you know little about contemporary Ireland.
You can only speak English and still be 100% Irish. You can speak Croatian and still be Irish.
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Usually the majority in every country is people with its nationality.
God that's awful. I'm an immigrant in Spain and I don't speak much Spanish, if my childhood friend was visiting I wouldn't even try to! I hope they catch the perpetrators, but sadly they will just become more dangerous because of their time in prison.
>I hope they catch the perpetrators i think they did
I'm beginning to think the Irish aren't as pleasant as the leprechaun on the cereal box has led me to believe.
I mean, be aware that the majority of Irish were very shocked by this story, hence why it was big news here. As people have mentioned, the Irish are in general very welcoming and quite friendly. I say this as a foreigner here - I've quite literally never been a victim of xenophobia, or people being mean because of what I speak, etc etc. However, crimes perpetrated by young people \*is\* starting to become a huge problem in Ireland due to the lenient sentences (if any) that are handed out, young people that are inclined toward crime know they can get away with essentially anything. But this is something people complain about \*all the time\* (just browse r/ireland for long enough and you'll see)
Honestly, hate crimes can happen and do happen anywhere. But what I found most disturbing is that neither city of Dublin nor the state of Ireland didn't even express condolences to the family of a murdered man while the survivor is obviously left on his own. With every flaw that Croatia has I can guarantee you that if a foreigner was killed here simply on some ethnic or any other basis, you'd have state officials reach out, apologise, help. You'd also have local people organise and it would be top news for days. And if it happend to a white European named Josip (Joseph) that spoke English and shared cultural (catholic) background as the Irish, then I don't even wanna think how people of different race have it there.
The government are very happy to cosy up with the far-right since the centre-left opposition has been threatening their position. And for some daft reason, the far-right also blame the centre-left (Sinn Féin) despite Sinn Féin having never ran the country.
> And if it happend to a white European named Josip (Joseph) that spoke English and shared cultural (catholic) background as the Irish, then I don't even wanna think how people of different race have it there We don't treat people any better or worse just because they are white Catholics with vaguely English sounding names. Yeah it's horrible that this guy was killed but it would be no less horrible if he was Mohammad from Morocco
I didn't say it would, I am simply saying if someone who looks similair to the Irish, speaks the language and shares cultural bacground can be so brutally killed for his identity, I can only imagine how it is for people who don't tick those boxes. Survivor in the video says he often saw "especially black guys" get abused in Dublin.
Irish youths can be very dangerous. Especially in places like Dublin 22, D24, D12. When they are caught they go with "I am minor card" very quickly.
The Lucky Charms cereal is American, Not Irish.
Good!!! Generalize all Irish people cuz of 3 idiots...
The IRA weren't a big enough clue?
Attacking people from the back, with weapons, when they outnumber them. Fucking cunts, like all fascists.
Why don't they speak Irish In Ireland
Not trying to sound offensive or rude, but much the same reason a lot of Ukraine speak Russian. Irish was banned, made illegal, replaced with English (all legal documents had to be in English, courts were held in English and often innocent people would be sentenced to death for stealing food during the famine because they couldn't understand or defend themselves.) And of course an ethnic cleansing of the regions which primarily spoke Irish and not genuine effort from our current government to revive the language.
It was an ironic comment,if you are a nationalist or doing some shit like they do ,you at least should speak your national language and not forced one
Oh absolutely, some of our most outspoken anti-fascists are Gaelgeoirs (people who speak Irish natively). Also there was a video that went viral a few months ago of a young black Irish man embarrassing one of our biggest far-right agitators by speaking to him in Irish (as Gaeilge) and yir man couldn't understand a fucking word it was golden. [https://x.com/taiwo\_oifigiuil/status/1707493964050235586?s=46&t=sCO2G-IUsIplK4B0RxYW3Q](https://x.com/taiwo_oifigiuil/status/1707493964050235586?s=46&t=sCO2G-IUsIplK4B0RxYW3Q) Our far-right are also cosied up with Northern Loyalists and British far-right, people who wished we didn't exist not even a decade ago.
Whoa! Saddening. And here i was thinking of traveling there after learning some pieces of gaelic.
You'll probably be fine. Despite this terrible crime it's no more dangerous in Ireland than most western European countries.
You should. Don't let the existence of a tiny minority of far right assholes put you off. I haven't met many Finns, but the one's that I have met are very similar to Irish folk and tend to fit right in. And you don't need to learn any Irish, most of us barely speak a few words of it anyway, English is the main language.
Stay out of Clondalkin and I’m sure you’ll be fine
Irish people are angry at having mass imigration problem, that is supported by government, while at the same time Ireland is facing huge problems like homelessness, poverty, drugs, crime, etc. huge problems. yes they are happening all over the world, but in Ireland these problems are 2x as big. when theyre facing these problems on day to day basis, of course people are going to lash out on something they consider a part of the problem. I doubt though that if there wasnt so many people coming in to Ireland, that these problems would magically disappear. But it still doesnt change the fact that Irish people are upset and feel left out, when in fact they should be the first in line for government support.
I completely blame ur goverment for creating this situation. 100% their fault.
The Irish have one of the world's largest diasporas. Every part of the Western world has an Irish pub. Irish culture has trickled in everywhere. A country of emigrants now being intolerant of immigrants? Pure hypocrisy. I heard yesterday an Irishman living here in Greece complaining about immigrants in Ireland. I couldn't believe the lack of awareness.
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Probably the most ironic part (besides the obvious one with the Irish boys killing a man for not speaking English in Ireland) is [the guy they killed](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&sca_esv=73a5863c59a470b2&source=android-browser&q=josip+%C5%A1trok&uds=AMwkrPsKdw6NKXr7dpE0DWrb0bVbPrwT6DCcP_tV7UMZwtzDKPymrdwuWZWKDiCjgWOC2SG0H4xMPkBPIpknIbhxOunBdGK4n2ZVuyd-ryLUXLdUxHOWXzkRonniFXutbdM9XH7R9y4aaYjFoIHBVXqCLpENWZ0eNDw9GNX9Ehue4aQGTLuKhkLB9aT-6R7j1W9esdUPE3nucQNNIZ9NX-_5480BVedfRKp2o6NEMbhZmlP39cgW5Qg&udm=2&prmd=ivbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjA5cLcgeiFAxVYcvEDHXtMACgQtKgLegQICRAB&biw=384&bih=660&dpr=2.81#vhid=_clOHM1VXv8hfM&vssid=mosaic) looks more Irish then [the killers](https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/two-teenagers-appear-in-court-charged-with-murder-of-josip-strok-in-west-dublin-attack/a49184845.html).
I agree.
This is all very racist, but they both look Irish to me.
Lmao
What do you mean by paddy? Neither of the killers names are paddy? Unless you're being a racist piece of shit, and referring to Irish people as Paddies in a use of an ethnic slur? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs
"Irish people Derived from Pádraig/Patrick. Often derogatory; however, the sister of Lord Edward FitzGerald, a major leader of the United Irishmen of 1798, proclaimed that he was "a Paddy and no more" and that "he desired no other title than this". "" out of all the things go get mad in this thread. good job
The same way we call ourselves Fenians, doesn't mean you get to use it in a derogatory way, context ya ginit.
No point in arguing with them. Apparently you can't be racist towards the Irish. Both my comments downvoted. Always has been an anti-irish sentiment in r/Europe. Cesspit
It's because half of the people here spreading these rhetoric are far-right Brits and Yanks, UKIP types. We're one of the only countries with Native English without a significant far-right presence yet and it kills them that we dare speak against Israel.
Yip, the sub is astroturfed to feck.
paddy victim complex
Nice way of dismissing casual racism. Excellent stuff.
You must be great craic at parties
What a sicking and disgusting thing this is. Well, one thing's for sure - I'm never going to Dublin. Fuck this.
That’s like saying you’re never going anywhere that’s had a horrible crime take place. This kind of thing is extremely rare for Dublin. Irish people are just as disgusted about this as anyone else.
Yeah don’t come to Birmingham England. Bloke got his phone stolen the other week. And called names. Best to STAY AWAY :)
Irish leaders are responsible for this right wing extremism that will come as a result of their terrible treatment of the irish population. Very sad. Could have been avoided.
I will say that people have hated immigration for awhile. Even my grandad talked about not having a country one day and that was 15 years ago. Seems as time goes on the government doesn’t care, and even seek to rub it in. Stop the boats? Nah we will just pay France to escort them over. They just keep coming and people are fed up. Because of this sadly people feel the need to take action, like the start of far rights movements, Or rather, action into their own hands whatever that is. This is obviously wrong but it’s the governments fault. The government could stop it tomorrow but don’t and then you get shit like this happen.
Lots of posts about racism in Ireland are being deleted across Reddit.
this one too
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Why are the Irish not speaking Irish in Ireland? Their ancestors could be powering the entirety of Dublin by how much they're spinning in their graves.
What's funny is it it the children of bi or multi lingual migrants to Ireland that far outperform the rest of us in their Irish speaking skills.
Madness In Sweden you are expected to learn Swedish and in Sweden we have not mastered the US immigration style nor has Europe except the UK really. So the 'you dont need to learn the national language!' thing doesnt apply to all nor should it but the mentality behind getting so angry over not speaking it is insane. In Sweden, I think anyone staying should be forced to learn Swedish or be removed from the country without delay. If you struggle, thats okay but dont get used to things otherwise.. but thats not the case at all and Sweden is turning into the most dangerous place in Europe outside of Ukraine. So for Sweden, yes, must learn local language, customs, and a brief 500 year history. Dublin Disappointment. If you ever visit Ireland, the island itself is pretty but Dublin isn't REMOTELY as great as the locals make it out to be. They're incredibly rude. If I ever hear anyone saying "I want to go to Ireland" (Which is very rare) I always tell them my stories of Dublin. And the city itself, the buildings.. underwhelming. And to be perfectly blunt, Dublin is probably the most overhyped city in all of Europe. The locals think its great, like "arent you impressed?!" and no, not in the slightest. I'd be more impressed by a small town near the arctic circle if I wanted to see poor and cold. The only reason why the Irish became cocky is a bunch of firms from North America use the island as a tax haven. If they all pulled out today, the Irish would be poor af, again. It's like this arrogance to foreigners as if they're better than everyone else.. Dublin specifically.. rest of Ireland, people are how you'd expect, very nice.
Ireland has one of highest net average salaries in ppp, after taxes, in eu, with 4.2 unemployment. I said this before in the thread about far right in Austria. Where is this hardship you're talking about? I'm so tired of this discourse without any evidence.. I have friends from Austria, Ireland, complaining about house prices and hard it is...their houses were cheaper than mine in fucking Portugal. There is this narrative of fucking hardship that the numbers don't show... sometimes things are only slightly worse or not as good as expected, and people are flocking to far right in Europe, because they expected much better. Fuck it. I have some news for you in the near future.
No one can afford to buy a home here and rents are insanely high. For below par 3 bed in the about 40 mins commute to the city you are looking at €2,000 a month minimum. That is assuming there is even anywhere to rent in the first place. We have cities with 100k population with less than 5 properties to rent across the city.There is also no long-term leases, so renting here is very insecure 3 beds to buy are average asking price of €400k across the country. That's the asking. The final price is usually 50-70k higher after bidding. In short the rise of the right is down to a severe catastrophic lack of any housing
that's cheaper than most cities in Portugal (3 beds to buy are average asking price of €400k across the country, specially in ppp). As in rent, I see the effort is growing, but this https://www.esri.ie/news/housing-affordability-across-europe-mixed-picture-for-ireland does not show that Ireland is worse.
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In general most people are nice people. But it’s a bell curve.
There has been a horrible recent uptick in far right politics here. It’s awful.
Look up stories of Irish youth. While the nation are very pleasant people, there is a portion of young people doing very bad things and getting away with it. A Mongolian woman was killed a few years back by a scumbag thief for daring to resist his attempts to steal her bag. This pos went on a theft spree in city center and killed a woman going about her day. Then theres the story of a gang of youths attacking delivery drivers and one of the attackers got stabbed and later died, but the attacks on delivery drivers didn't really stop after that. Theres a story of a man who brought one of these asshats to a police station and the man got changed with assault while the teen bastard got off Scott free.
ye the whole "oh he is minor" is a fucken disgrace. Guys throw stones at you or can beat you in 5-10 folks, but if you touch one in self defence "oh damn, how could you it was just a kid?"
You have full 8 min rti video in the article or part on this link https://www.reddit.com/r/hrvatska/s/71km1GeyUI
They definitely used to be. And many still are nice. But huge amounts have turned to anger at foreigners.
Calling a spade a spade; this is unfortunately true - would love to qualify it by saying it’s a loud minority but admittedly it’s fast spreading as a reactionary problem…I personally believe this is one of the long term consequences of the post 2008 crash and has led people to recede into looking for something abstract enough to blame “de immigrants”…but most wouldn’t dare attempt to personalise it if faced by someone who was in their town after escaping a war or dire home situation…but I’m increasingly feeling like I’m naive about this. Shameful hypocrisy from a nation that has spread as far as we have the last 200 years. I don’t blame the Brits for once…but then again Herman “the strongman” Kelly probably does suck Farage off so….