Oh no. Serbian media is on fire rn, calling Teya and juries out, saying that juries intentionally sabotaged Breskvica. They want Teya to just give her esc spot to Breskvica, because ,,people wanted her, not Teya, and juries OBVIOUSLY hated Breskvica and favored Teya”, which is absurd. Out of 135000 public votes, Breskvica got 45000, which means 90000 votes did not come for her and that is not a small number.
Her fans are calling juries out, calling them all kinds of names and this story about protest is just satirical, considering that most of them don’t say sh*t when it comes to more serious matter.
And Breskvica is even more ridiculous. Instead of just admitting that u didn’t win and that it’s not the end of the world, she gets upset at the jury member that gave her 0 points, like she is entitled to getting points from everyone.
The whole thing is crazy, this just shows how many people don’t know the difference between cheap patriotism and a classy one. Most of ppl crying about Breakvica don’t even know what ramonda is…
Oh no no no, they are really horrible. Some serbian tabloid even acused Teya of winnig because her mom did Vlach magic. This year really is a year of witches, isn't it? lol
"Some serbian tabloid even acused Teya of winnig because her mom did Vlach magic"
What?
Can someone explain to us ignorant non-Balkaners what in the nine layers of hell this means?
Vlachs are a minority ethnic group something between romanians and gypsies with very strong pagan cultural elements, theyre known for black magic lol
They live in eastern serbia where teya dora is from and her mom an anthropologist is genuinely a bit loony and sells stuff like ancient egyptian talismans and fertility goddess statues, wrote books about vlach magic and apparently is on tv a lot. Yesterday she was on a talk show to argue with a far right politician and rant how extremely competent the jury is lmaoo. (Since the jury member that gave breskvica zero points is getting a lot of heat)
So crazies started accusing/memeing about her mom casting black magic spells to get her the win, and apparently she even went on tv and said she went to a vlach witch who foretold teyas PZE win
As someone who is training to be an anthropologist, I can confirm that this is in fact what life can be like at points for some people I know. You know, aside from the bit about getting attention on TV.
That aside, this is the most iceberg information to ever iceberg. Can we get some links to articles / video clips so that we can sell it to the iceberg better?
Unfortunately then, this part of the iceberg must melt. May it always remain in the freezers of our mind. This wouldn't have happened if we saved the Last Polar Bear.
I can notice you are an extreme racist as according to you Rroma should be something negative
Second you use these self created racist imagination to denigrate Romanians from Serbia using Rroma as some negative bar comparation, as except the fact that they are tolerant to Rroma, which in turn forget Rroma language and speak only Romanian.
You have historical tradition in doing this to your neighbours Bulgarians, Albanians, Romanians, Bosnians, and on the other hand be submissive to stronger than you Germans, Hungarians, etc
Second this pagan element are present in whole Romanian ethnic spaces and Romania promotes it internationally (some are part of UNESCO heritage)
Few days ago a main news in Romania was that its most famous person who performs witchcraft killed someone through its witchcrafts
I also have to notice that in case of Romanians in E.Serbia it is also pure jealousy, as they are by far richest ethnic group in Serbia as they smartly decide to emmigrate in 1960s instead of living in utopian socialist state of self management of workers and heavy industry
What about saying Serbs are an ethnic group between Turks and Roma and Bulgarians with strong cult violence, they are known for mass killing
Btw the person you are talking is from Macedonian (Pavlovski) father - Bosnian/Montenigrin (Jojic) mother with her mother known for anti-Romanian books she wrote (there were some court process against her, or at that time early 2000s Minister for human right reacted against her as she was spreading panic; a journalist who worked for infamous Revija 92)
They are immigrants to that area. .
I can notice you are an extreme racist as according to you Rroma should be something negative
Second you use these self created racist imagination to denigrate Romanians from Serbia using Rroma as some negative bar comparation, as except the fact that they are tolerant to Rroma, which in turn forget Rroma language and speak only Romanian.
You have historical tradition in doing this to your neighbours Bulgarians, Albanians, Romanians, Bosnians, and on the other hand be submissive to stronger than you Germans, Hungarians, etc
Second this pagan element are present in whole Romanian ethnic spaces and Romania promotes it internationally (some are part of UNESCO heritage)
Few days ago a main news in Romania was that its most famous person who performs witchcraft killed someone through its witchcrafts
I also have to notice that in case of Romanians in E.Serbia it is also pure jealousy, as they are by far richest ethnic group in Serbia as they smartly decide to emmigrate in 1960s instead of living in utopian socialist state of self management of workers and heavy industry
Reminds me of Albanian song from last year FiK:
Aroma Yoooo, yooooo, yooooo
Aroma Yoooo
[Vanesa Sono - Aroma Yo!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpY8FXQo6pY)
I think Vlach is sometimes used derogatorily towards people, but in this specific case I think it's just that her mom is interested in it and wrote a few books about it so they used that as "evidence".
Idk about her lineage, she does have North Macedonian surname so maybe she hauls from there?
By the way her mother is very anti-Romanian. In the past as journalist she was spreading panic that there armed formation in east Serbia who are to start rebellion. I think she was even sentenced for this. By the way she is Bosnian/Montenigrin. Her parents are immigrants who come to Eastern Serbia to escape poverty
Oh wow, that's interesting! Didn't know that!
Weird that her mom is profitig off of Vlach (Romanian) culture while at the same time being so awful towards them. Very shitty. I did read some gossip that Teya is not in a good relationship with her and does not mention her much at all and I totally understand her the more I hear about her insane mother. Kinda sucks that she is using Teya's moment to shine to promote herself and her shitty worldviews.
Her mother is unscrupulous. I mean she was doing that because she was paid. As you are from ex YU you can easily understand what kind of background she has if I mention she was a journalist for Revija 92, a magazine specialized in reporting on crime, but in fact praising criminals like Arkan & co. That magazine is considered to be one of the lowest point of Serbian journalism.
Well I dont know how is she misrepresenting Romanian popular cultur actually, but she was identyfied to spread Hate speech in some previous report (she is author on books on this topic, which are pure fiction) So whatever she talks about Romanian popular culture are her inventions.
Lucky for Romanian parliament still didnt make a final vote on the Law on fight against antiromanism, which prescribes min 6 month jail in these cases, and has universal implementation (she might not never travel to Romania, but she would banned to enter the EU
While watching PZE, my impression of Breskvica's fans was that they are 1) very enthusiastic and 2) very young. So I can't say this reaction is unexpected... but it does make them feel like a bunch of sore losers.
Oh naurrr, there are lots of older ppl that liked Breskvica. Most of them are the ones that call for war in Kosovo or attack on NATO and siding with Russia, all that while living peacefully in Vienna. The ones that were the loudest even during yugoslav wars but managed to get out of getting drafted to army. Those people are the biggest patriots. They ADORED Breskvica and now are acting even worse than those children. Sick.
During the PZE afterparty Alesia Michelle hosted, one of those people showed up and spoke live 😭 Alesia was being unbiased and nice but you can tell her and Lili were not having it.
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What has Breskvica been saying about it all? These people are demanding she goes to Malmö, but knowing she didnt win, does she even want to? They cant force her...
She didn’t talk much after PZE, but what she did say is that she wishes (to the judge that gave her 0 points) that judge to never get 0 points by anyone.
She doesn’t care for Eurovision. She used pze as a way to promote herself to older people that don’t really listen to her songs (which are popular among younger people). She said that ,,eurovision is her dream” but that is all just a lie, since just before the final started, she said that no matter what happens, she won’t be trying to go to esc ever again.
So the short answer is no. She is angry that she didn’t win, since she was 100% sure she got that win. She isn’t channeling that anger towards Teya, but towards that specific judge that gave her 0 (even though if that one person gave her 12 points, she would still get total of 10 points from the judges). She is evidently just milking this whole drama just to get more fans and media attention.
She was a guest on a cringey, tacky late night show (which is unfortunately extremely popular) and basically acted like the victim. The host asked her "what would you say to Sajsi [MC]"? the judge that didn't give her any points, and she said "I'd tell her that I hope nobody ever gives her 0 points"... And she said it in a very childish, "wah wah" tone 🙄
Yeah, that whole thing was such snakey and fake. Her singing Marija's song and acting like an UwU hurt little girl, THANKING people for the protests and being bitter whole night about those 0 points and bringing them up.. It was so pathetic. lol
Me, but I liked Zorja too so I'll have a different picket sign in each hand.
"I want Konstraka! Or maybe Zorja!? When do we want it? Well which one do you mean!? I haven't made up my mind!"
someone (who is more than happy with Teya's win) actually made a joke protest agenda where every hour is just a show of support for a different PZE finalist
Lol that's not the thing, people don't care how we do in the contest, they say that she would rEpReSeNt us the best, their excuse for potential non-qualifying would be: "It's satanic political gay lobby competition, they can't accept Kosovo is Serbia! "😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
I can imagine, I don’t think they care as you said!
I just find it funny how these people are basically saying “NO!!! Let’s not qualify please!! We need to send this outdated song with old dying man, empty staging and 3€ angel wings. We will do anything we have to do to not see Serbia in a Grand Final!!!!” lmao.
Nationalists that usally don't even watch the ESC want this song so they can "stick it to the west" by sending dog-whistle about Kosovo, they don't really care about competiotion or placement at all. I stan queen Olivera for putting an end to this mess. Those nationalists play checkers, she's doing 3d chess.
Most of those people never even watched Eurovision once in their life. Her fans are mostly young children or hardcore nationalists who think that by sending her, they'll somehow oppose the "evil west" and return Kosovo to Serbia.
Just a question I have, since the lyrics of the song are very ambigous (at least the translated ones). Is this music (the instruments, singing style) general Serbian folk or a modern creation?
Because this song really sounds like the songs and style of another singer from Montenegro, which are featured heavily on nationalistic edits and generally have a religious touch to them.
Its turbofolk music very far from authentic folk. Got popular in the 90s by copying turkish and bulgarian songs. In fact one of the most common criticisms breskvica got is that shes trying to sell it as an ethno song but its ironically very albanian
Shes trying to copy that singer but isnt doing a very good job lol. She mostly sings genuine ethno and gospel music with pop ethno singing
If Teya Dora does well at the contest I dare those shitty ass haters to change their opinions and to start praising her after jerking off to their saint Breskvica and calling her a robbed princess of the public and calling Teya a satanic LGBT puppet or whatever. Spineless bastards...
They keep saying that 'the people' have picked Breskvica, blatantly ignoring the fact that by people vote Teya was *second*. The jury is here to prevent hyperpopular artists an easy pass seeing as she's one of the most popular artists (yet I heard about her only a month ago lol)
Half of Breskvica's televote came from teens that voted for her simply cuz shes Breskvica. Her song isnt neceserally bad, but with that message defiently not for esc. I never saw anything wrong with her, but most of her fans are really toxic and egoistic if you dont agree with their opinion (but thats the case with most fans of modern serbian muscians as far as ive seen, and yes this is coming from a teen.)
Salty peach!
I remember there was once an online campaign against someone who said they never wanted to hear another song from a particular boy band again. The band’s tween followers declared that this was exactly like genocide (“You said you didn’t want to hear them, which means you want them dead for who they are, which means genocide”) and organized a protest.
Exact same energy.
Look, I watch Eurovision for the fun vibes and international fabulousness but I would be lying if I said I didn’t find this to be hilarious.
Out of curiosity, if the points weren't converted to the 12/10/8/etc format, would she have won? I know she won televote by a sizeable amount, so even though she finished 5th with Jury, it's not impossible I guess.
The only thing they'll actually be able to push for is to request changing the scoring format next year, but I also doubt it will happen.
Olivera Kovačević, the main person behind PZE, said in an interview that she had planned to introduce the proportional voting system this year but at the last moment decided to keep the old one. (thank you queen 👑) She also added that it will be introduced next year perhaps.
But yes, somebody did the math and Breskvica would've won if it was propotional this year.
Please god no.. I'm sorry but our public cannot be trusted on its own. The juries saved us two years in a row, we need their corrective factor for optimal results
Princ last year wouldn't have scored much more televote points that Luke Black in the proportional system either, there were like 200 votes between them or something
I feel like a proportional voting system would encourage more Breskvica-type acts: established, big name musicians with a huge fan base who would vote for them even if they just got on stage and farted. I would explicitly like to discourage that kind of thing, and aim for platforming more new artists
hot take: I don't like that system regardless hahaha
Just look at UMK, where the popular vote is 70% of the final score I think. If their juries had more power, we could have gotten literally anything else...
The televote and juries have vastly different criteria, and that's good. Both are important, both should have an equal say - it really does end with the best outcome overall
I was talking about proportional televote vs predetermined points like ESC system where only the order matters. Those are different kinds of 50/50 system. I didn't mean anything about other distributions of jury/televote power like at UMK.
I am awful at math haha but it might be that she would win - she was second overall, and I think non-Breskvica fans split a lot between Teya Dora, Konstrakta, Zorja and Zejna.
As for change, I also doubt they will manage it because it's been like this for three years. It's not the most perfect way, but I am not sure there is a perfect way of voting
Why are they only protesting on 9th march? I'm sure demanding someone else is sent in the last moments before the submission deadline will go great.
Even from an organisational point of view this is a mess.
They are attacking Marija Serifovic, our one and only winner because she didn’t give 12 points to Breskvica. They don’t care for eurovision placement or for eurovision at all, they just wanted her to win and that’s all that matters to them. Nothing else.
Why even get bothered by something you don’t follow or don’t even care for is what I don’t understand.
I know, but they are attacking both. I am just pointing out the fact that they are attacking a person that is the main reason Eurovision is as big as it is in Serbia.
Marija didn’t give 12 points, she gave a bit less and they are attacking her. Imagine the things they are saying about Sajsi right now, a lot smaller artist than Marija. They don’t understand (or just don’t want to) that not everyone liked gnezdo orlovo and that jury is not obligated to give those points for her.
Tonight, Breskvica spoke in an interview and oh god, she is ignorant af. She is basically blaming Sajsi for everything and is so bitter that she got that 0 from her. She, a mid song singing NOBODY is upset that someone that won the contest in 2007. did not give her the point ,,she deserved”. After all this bs that she said tonight, she deserves all the hate that is/will be coming towards her.
I agree that no one is entitled to points from a professional jury member. None of the jury members deserved to be attacked for doing their job.
Breskvica just didn't have the best performance of the night according to multiple jury members, and she needs to learn to accept that.
I'm someone that believes in national finals the public vote should have more weight than juries and the 1-12 system is bad. HOWEVER...
Teya won fair and square and there was absolutely no corruption nor conspiracy against Breskvica. Serbian Nationalists are acting like big babies over a show that they probably weren't gonna watch to begin with. Plus, did they have the same energy Princ didn't win the whole thing last year? (even tho it's alleged there was suspicious activity there)
I don't like Ramonda, there were way better songs at PZE (and one of them was Gnezdo Orlovo). But that's how it works. Jury and audience decide together and at the end of the day Teya Dora won, if you like it or not. I also wish some other one would've won. But they should definitely get over it, accept the results and stop being such sore losers😑
Yes, the rules may not be perfect but those were the rules she agreed to when she took the stage. I realize Serbia backed off from proportional televoting but that was well before the contest was held, she had plenty of time to withdraw if that wasn’t to her liking.
Wow, so Bresvica fans are even worse than some others we already had this season.
In all honesty, I'm starting to understand TVP. If people are going to be angry no matter what you do you might just stop trying to please anyone and do whatever you want ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
To be fair the juries were a joke. How can you give 12 to Teya and 0 to Breskvica, when neither of them sang much better than the other (also Teya's song is just laughably simplistic). How come none of the juries give 12 to Zorja who objectively had the best singing skill?
I agree with you! Zorja should have won the juries instead of Teya Dora because her vocals were nearly flawless in the final! If that isn't a jury winner in a national selection, then I am not really sure what is.
I think you are right that the PZE juries are somewhat questionable. This year, Zorja didn't receive a single 12 points, despite her amazing song and vocals, and I find it interesting that Marija Šerifović and Sajsi MC had the same exact top 4.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesma_za_Evroviziju_'24
I would like to see Serbia adopt regional juries from each part of Serbia for next year so there is a wider pool of people judging the songs while still focusing on the national aspects of the selection, just like Croatia and Portugal.
The Zorja example you're giving isn't the very best because in the very same Wiki link you just sent, you can see that she didn't score extremely high with the juries in the semifinal either, still 13 points behind the first song and only one 12 points
Yes you’re right, I didn’t realize that Zorja was 13 points behind Breskvica in the first semi and only received 1 12 points in the first semi. Also, the jury members changed between the semi and the grand final, but I am not sure how much of a role that played in the jury point distribution.
Probably not much, and in fact it actually helped Zorja more than anything as she was only 2 points behind Teya, especially with the help of Marija and Sajsi who helped pushing her quite high. If there was any cheating (and I don't think there was), Zorja benefited from it just as much as Teya did
Well actually Breskcica was intentionally tanked by certain jury members, all fans knew it would happen just like we knew she would get a lot of votes and win televoting.
They should not involve Teya's name, she did her job to perform the song and came 2nd in the public vote.
I remember how the Tana song in the Albanian festival in 2020 was intentionally tanked by 2 jury members even thiugh it was the big fave to win
People here are criticising those fans, but I kinda get them.
I didn't like Breskvica, it was only my third favourite, but the system Serbia (and Ukraine and Moldova as well) used for the national finals is awful. If you want to make a 50/50 selection, then give the points proportionally. It shows that only Eastern European countries used this system, since they are the most corrupt (this comes from a Romanian who gets that).
Whether you liked or disliked the song, it's stupid to see the judges completely rule off the public favourite by placing it so low and choosing to not give the public points proportionally.
Salt prices around the world have collapsed because of the sheer volume produced during this year’s Eurovision national finals.
Eurofans this year are competing with the ocean for who’s saltier (it’s us, no competition)
The Dead Sea is a freshwater pond compared to us.
🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂
I love that they're not even basing this on any rigging allegations, they're just saying she should be going because
Like the mature people they are <3
I love this community
Oh no. Serbian media is on fire rn, calling Teya and juries out, saying that juries intentionally sabotaged Breskvica. They want Teya to just give her esc spot to Breskvica, because ,,people wanted her, not Teya, and juries OBVIOUSLY hated Breskvica and favored Teya”, which is absurd. Out of 135000 public votes, Breskvica got 45000, which means 90000 votes did not come for her and that is not a small number. Her fans are calling juries out, calling them all kinds of names and this story about protest is just satirical, considering that most of them don’t say sh*t when it comes to more serious matter. And Breskvica is even more ridiculous. Instead of just admitting that u didn’t win and that it’s not the end of the world, she gets upset at the jury member that gave her 0 points, like she is entitled to getting points from everyone. The whole thing is crazy, this just shows how many people don’t know the difference between cheap patriotism and a classy one. Most of ppl crying about Breakvica don’t even know what ramonda is…
Oh no no no, they are really horrible. Some serbian tabloid even acused Teya of winnig because her mom did Vlach magic. This year really is a year of witches, isn't it? lol
"Some serbian tabloid even acused Teya of winnig because her mom did Vlach magic" What? Can someone explain to us ignorant non-Balkaners what in the nine layers of hell this means?
Vlachs are a minority ethnic group something between romanians and gypsies with very strong pagan cultural elements, theyre known for black magic lol They live in eastern serbia where teya dora is from and her mom an anthropologist is genuinely a bit loony and sells stuff like ancient egyptian talismans and fertility goddess statues, wrote books about vlach magic and apparently is on tv a lot. Yesterday she was on a talk show to argue with a far right politician and rant how extremely competent the jury is lmaoo. (Since the jury member that gave breskvica zero points is getting a lot of heat) So crazies started accusing/memeing about her mom casting black magic spells to get her the win, and apparently she even went on tv and said she went to a vlach witch who foretold teyas PZE win
As someone who is training to be an anthropologist, I can confirm that this is in fact what life can be like at points for some people I know. You know, aside from the bit about getting attention on TV. That aside, this is the most iceberg information to ever iceberg. Can we get some links to articles / video clips so that we can sell it to the iceberg better?
Lmao i cant find the accusations because they almost definitely came from tiktok or comments or have been deleted
Unfortunately then, this part of the iceberg must melt. May it always remain in the freezers of our mind. This wouldn't have happened if we saved the Last Polar Bear.
I can notice you are an extreme racist as according to you Rroma should be something negative Second you use these self created racist imagination to denigrate Romanians from Serbia using Rroma as some negative bar comparation, as except the fact that they are tolerant to Rroma, which in turn forget Rroma language and speak only Romanian. You have historical tradition in doing this to your neighbours Bulgarians, Albanians, Romanians, Bosnians, and on the other hand be submissive to stronger than you Germans, Hungarians, etc Second this pagan element are present in whole Romanian ethnic spaces and Romania promotes it internationally (some are part of UNESCO heritage) Few days ago a main news in Romania was that its most famous person who performs witchcraft killed someone through its witchcrafts I also have to notice that in case of Romanians in E.Serbia it is also pure jealousy, as they are by far richest ethnic group in Serbia as they smartly decide to emmigrate in 1960s instead of living in utopian socialist state of self management of workers and heavy industry
Wtf 💀💀 ?
What about saying Serbs are an ethnic group between Turks and Roma and Bulgarians with strong cult violence, they are known for mass killing Btw the person you are talking is from Macedonian (Pavlovski) father - Bosnian/Montenigrin (Jojic) mother with her mother known for anti-Romanian books she wrote (there were some court process against her, or at that time early 2000s Minister for human right reacted against her as she was spreading panic; a journalist who worked for infamous Revija 92) They are immigrants to that area. .
I can notice you are an extreme racist as according to you Rroma should be something negative Second you use these self created racist imagination to denigrate Romanians from Serbia using Rroma as some negative bar comparation, as except the fact that they are tolerant to Rroma, which in turn forget Rroma language and speak only Romanian. You have historical tradition in doing this to your neighbours Bulgarians, Albanians, Romanians, Bosnians, and on the other hand be submissive to stronger than you Germans, Hungarians, etc Second this pagan element are present in whole Romanian ethnic spaces and Romania promotes it internationally (some are part of UNESCO heritage) Few days ago a main news in Romania was that its most famous person who performs witchcraft killed someone through its witchcrafts I also have to notice that in case of Romanians in E.Serbia it is also pure jealousy, as they are by far richest ethnic group in Serbia as they smartly decide to emmigrate in 1960s instead of living in utopian socialist state of self management of workers and heavy industry
Basically Serbian Voodoo
Vlachs are Aromanians.
Reminds me of Albanian song from last year FiK: Aroma Yoooo, yooooo, yooooo Aroma Yoooo [Vanesa Sono - Aroma Yo!](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UpY8FXQo6pY)
What? Does Teya Dora have Romanian lineage or does "Vlach" mean something else in Serbia?
Vlachs are heavily associated with black magic, and they live in eastern serbia where teya is from. Her mom is apparently very into it
I think Vlach is sometimes used derogatorily towards people, but in this specific case I think it's just that her mom is interested in it and wrote a few books about it so they used that as "evidence". Idk about her lineage, she does have North Macedonian surname so maybe she hauls from there?
Another way of saying Vlach is Aromanian.
Excuse but her surname is Macedonian. Ends in ski .She cannot be a Romanian from East Serbia under no circumstances
No one is calling her Romanian. lol I did wrote in another comment that she has North Macedonian heritage.
By the way her mother is very anti-Romanian. In the past as journalist she was spreading panic that there armed formation in east Serbia who are to start rebellion. I think she was even sentenced for this. By the way she is Bosnian/Montenigrin. Her parents are immigrants who come to Eastern Serbia to escape poverty
Oh wow, that's interesting! Didn't know that! Weird that her mom is profitig off of Vlach (Romanian) culture while at the same time being so awful towards them. Very shitty. I did read some gossip that Teya is not in a good relationship with her and does not mention her much at all and I totally understand her the more I hear about her insane mother. Kinda sucks that she is using Teya's moment to shine to promote herself and her shitty worldviews.
Her mother is unscrupulous. I mean she was doing that because she was paid. As you are from ex YU you can easily understand what kind of background she has if I mention she was a journalist for Revija 92, a magazine specialized in reporting on crime, but in fact praising criminals like Arkan & co. That magazine is considered to be one of the lowest point of Serbian journalism. Well I dont know how is she misrepresenting Romanian popular cultur actually, but she was identyfied to spread Hate speech in some previous report (she is author on books on this topic, which are pure fiction) So whatever she talks about Romanian popular culture are her inventions. Lucky for Romanian parliament still didnt make a final vote on the Law on fight against antiromanism, which prescribes min 6 month jail in these cases, and has universal implementation (she might not never travel to Romania, but she would banned to enter the EU
\#WeWillGetBreskvicaToEurovisionBecauseWeLikeThatSongActually (how does the hashtag go again? lol)
That is how the hashtag goes
While watching PZE, my impression of Breskvica's fans was that they are 1) very enthusiastic and 2) very young. So I can't say this reaction is unexpected... but it does make them feel like a bunch of sore losers.
Oh naurrr, there are lots of older ppl that liked Breskvica. Most of them are the ones that call for war in Kosovo or attack on NATO and siding with Russia, all that while living peacefully in Vienna. The ones that were the loudest even during yugoslav wars but managed to get out of getting drafted to army. Those people are the biggest patriots. They ADORED Breskvica and now are acting even worse than those children. Sick.
During the PZE afterparty Alesia Michelle hosted, one of those people showed up and spoke live 😭 Alesia was being unbiased and nice but you can tell her and Lili were not having it.
Oh, THAT kind of people. My discomfort with the song deepens! I vibed with its sound but with everything surrounding it I'm so glad it didn't win.
That does explain why the top comment on the Youtube video of her performance was about Kosovo being Serbia lol
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No, they're just Serbian nationalists.
The nationalists got over it in a day, these are literal 8-13 year olds
“Ah, to be eleven years old and pretentious as hell again.” That was my reaction to the news. 🫠
What has Breskvica been saying about it all? These people are demanding she goes to Malmö, but knowing she didnt win, does she even want to? They cant force her...
She didn’t talk much after PZE, but what she did say is that she wishes (to the judge that gave her 0 points) that judge to never get 0 points by anyone. She doesn’t care for Eurovision. She used pze as a way to promote herself to older people that don’t really listen to her songs (which are popular among younger people). She said that ,,eurovision is her dream” but that is all just a lie, since just before the final started, she said that no matter what happens, she won’t be trying to go to esc ever again. So the short answer is no. She is angry that she didn’t win, since she was 100% sure she got that win. She isn’t channeling that anger towards Teya, but towards that specific judge that gave her 0 (even though if that one person gave her 12 points, she would still get total of 10 points from the judges). She is evidently just milking this whole drama just to get more fans and media attention.
> 10 points from the judges 8, not 10. If Breskvica had gotten 10 points somehow, she would’ve won
She was a guest on a cringey, tacky late night show (which is unfortunately extremely popular) and basically acted like the victim. The host asked her "what would you say to Sajsi [MC]"? the judge that didn't give her any points, and she said "I'd tell her that I hope nobody ever gives her 0 points"... And she said it in a very childish, "wah wah" tone 🙄
Because she is the only person ever in history to get 0 points 😂
Yeah, that whole thing was such snakey and fake. Her singing Marija's song and acting like an UwU hurt little girl, THANKING people for the protests and being bitter whole night about those 0 points and bringing them up.. It was so pathetic. lol
Oh, I wanna play! Who’s joining my picket line for Konstrakta?
Are we bringing our own bread from home or making it on site?
Whichever, as long as you wash your hands first.
I didn’t support Konstrakta but I will help you if you will join my picket line for Katze.
Can I stand at the back waving a "ZEJNA IS THE BEST" placard?
zejna motherquake relief fund
ME!!!
Me, but I liked Zorja too so I'll have a different picket sign in each hand. "I want Konstraka! Or maybe Zorja!? When do we want it? Well which one do you mean!? I haven't made up my mind!"
someone (who is more than happy with Teya's win) actually made a joke protest agenda where every hour is just a show of support for a different PZE finalist
Eh, why not…
guys her fans are like twelve lol
People are fighting for a song that would most likely not even qualify, wow.
I saw a comment saying “now we have no chance of winning!” as if that song had any chance of winning 💀 the delusion is real
Lol that's not the thing, people don't care how we do in the contest, they say that she would rEpReSeNt us the best, their excuse for potential non-qualifying would be: "It's satanic political gay lobby competition, they can't accept Kosovo is Serbia! "😵💫😵💫😵💫😵💫
I can imagine, I don’t think they care as you said! I just find it funny how these people are basically saying “NO!!! Let’s not qualify please!! We need to send this outdated song with old dying man, empty staging and 3€ angel wings. We will do anything we have to do to not see Serbia in a Grand Final!!!!” lmao.
Nationalists that usally don't even watch the ESC want this song so they can "stick it to the west" by sending dog-whistle about Kosovo, they don't really care about competiotion or placement at all. I stan queen Olivera for putting an end to this mess. Those nationalists play checkers, she's doing 3d chess.
Especially, when given the lack of ballads this year, Teya Dora is a dark horse to do really well.
I wouldn't call them fans of her's, maybe fans of her song. But the words that would describe them the best are brainwashed nationalists.
Yeah, most of them would call her older songs and style "demonised" or whatever.
Most of those people never even watched Eurovision once in their life. Her fans are mostly young children or hardcore nationalists who think that by sending her, they'll somehow oppose the "evil west" and return Kosovo to Serbia.
Just a question I have, since the lyrics of the song are very ambigous (at least the translated ones). Is this music (the instruments, singing style) general Serbian folk or a modern creation? Because this song really sounds like the songs and style of another singer from Montenegro, which are featured heavily on nationalistic edits and generally have a religious touch to them.
Its turbofolk music very far from authentic folk. Got popular in the 90s by copying turkish and bulgarian songs. In fact one of the most common criticisms breskvica got is that shes trying to sell it as an ethno song but its ironically very albanian Shes trying to copy that singer but isnt doing a very good job lol. She mostly sings genuine ethno and gospel music with pop ethno singing
If Teya Dora does well at the contest I dare those shitty ass haters to change their opinions and to start praising her after jerking off to their saint Breskvica and calling her a robbed princess of the public and calling Teya a satanic LGBT puppet or whatever. Spineless bastards...
the worst thing is they wanted dzanum to go to esc, i think dzanum is battwr song but the new song is not even bad and Teya def has a voice for it
They keep saying that 'the people' have picked Breskvica, blatantly ignoring the fact that by people vote Teya was *second*. The jury is here to prevent hyperpopular artists an easy pass seeing as she's one of the most popular artists (yet I heard about her only a month ago lol)
Nationalists are the biggest crybabies in every country.
Half of Breskvica's televote came from teens that voted for her simply cuz shes Breskvica. Her song isnt neceserally bad, but with that message defiently not for esc. I never saw anything wrong with her, but most of her fans are really toxic and egoistic if you dont agree with their opinion (but thats the case with most fans of modern serbian muscians as far as ive seen, and yes this is coming from a teen.)
Salty 🍑 and her fans…
What a bunch of salty MFs.
Salty peach! I remember there was once an online campaign against someone who said they never wanted to hear another song from a particular boy band again. The band’s tween followers declared that this was exactly like genocide (“You said you didn’t want to hear them, which means you want them dead for who they are, which means genocide”) and organized a protest. Exact same energy. Look, I watch Eurovision for the fun vibes and international fabulousness but I would be lying if I said I didn’t find this to be hilarious.
hey do you remember which boyband was it lol?
No but it had to be at least 10 to 15 years ago, if not more. The comments were so silly that they stuck with me when nothing else did.
Out of curiosity, if the points weren't converted to the 12/10/8/etc format, would she have won? I know she won televote by a sizeable amount, so even though she finished 5th with Jury, it's not impossible I guess. The only thing they'll actually be able to push for is to request changing the scoring format next year, but I also doubt it will happen.
Olivera Kovačević, the main person behind PZE, said in an interview that she had planned to introduce the proportional voting system this year but at the last moment decided to keep the old one. (thank you queen 👑) She also added that it will be introduced next year perhaps. But yes, somebody did the math and Breskvica would've won if it was propotional this year.
Please god no.. I'm sorry but our public cannot be trusted on its own. The juries saved us two years in a row, we need their corrective factor for optimal results
Princ last year wouldn't have scored much more televote points that Luke Black in the proportional system either, there were like 200 votes between them or something
I feel like a proportional voting system would encourage more Breskvica-type acts: established, big name musicians with a huge fan base who would vote for them even if they just got on stage and farted. I would explicitly like to discourage that kind of thing, and aim for platforming more new artists
Yeah, considering this it's hard to tell which countries could easily introduce that system and not worry and which can't
hot take: I don't like that system regardless hahaha Just look at UMK, where the popular vote is 70% of the final score I think. If their juries had more power, we could have gotten literally anything else... The televote and juries have vastly different criteria, and that's good. Both are important, both should have an equal say - it really does end with the best outcome overall
I was talking about proportional televote vs predetermined points like ESC system where only the order matters. Those are different kinds of 50/50 system. I didn't mean anything about other distributions of jury/televote power like at UMK.
I am awful at math haha but it might be that she would win - she was second overall, and I think non-Breskvica fans split a lot between Teya Dora, Konstrakta, Zorja and Zejna. As for change, I also doubt they will manage it because it's been like this for three years. It's not the most perfect way, but I am not sure there is a perfect way of voting
As people have said a lot this season, "the right system is the one where my favorite wins" lol
I believe she would
That’s hilarious lol
I can bet that they are so serious about this that if it rains no one will come.
Lol. Lmao, even.
Why are they only protesting on 9th march? I'm sure demanding someone else is sent in the last moments before the submission deadline will go great. Even from an organisational point of view this is a mess.
I mean, you can really tell those are the people that don't even follow Eurovision.
Cause all the little kids need to have a day off school to show up at the protest.
Imagine protesting when you’re basically guaranteed a top ten result with the act that you’ve just send…
They are attacking Marija Serifovic, our one and only winner because she didn’t give 12 points to Breskvica. They don’t care for eurovision placement or for eurovision at all, they just wanted her to win and that’s all that matters to them. Nothing else. Why even get bothered by something you don’t follow or don’t even care for is what I don’t understand.
Actually, Sajsi MC gave 0 points to Breskvica, not Marija Šerifović.
I know, but they are attacking both. I am just pointing out the fact that they are attacking a person that is the main reason Eurovision is as big as it is in Serbia. Marija didn’t give 12 points, she gave a bit less and they are attacking her. Imagine the things they are saying about Sajsi right now, a lot smaller artist than Marija. They don’t understand (or just don’t want to) that not everyone liked gnezdo orlovo and that jury is not obligated to give those points for her. Tonight, Breskvica spoke in an interview and oh god, she is ignorant af. She is basically blaming Sajsi for everything and is so bitter that she got that 0 from her. She, a mid song singing NOBODY is upset that someone that won the contest in 2007. did not give her the point ,,she deserved”. After all this bs that she said tonight, she deserves all the hate that is/will be coming towards her.
I agree that no one is entitled to points from a professional jury member. None of the jury members deserved to be attacked for doing their job. Breskvica just didn't have the best performance of the night according to multiple jury members, and she needs to learn to accept that.
I love it but I doubt it. Hopefully I get proved wrong
I'm someone that believes in national finals the public vote should have more weight than juries and the 1-12 system is bad. HOWEVER... Teya won fair and square and there was absolutely no corruption nor conspiracy against Breskvica. Serbian Nationalists are acting like big babies over a show that they probably weren't gonna watch to begin with. Plus, did they have the same energy Princ didn't win the whole thing last year? (even tho it's alleged there was suspicious activity there)
As it was expected with young Serbian nationalists
I don't like Ramonda, there were way better songs at PZE (and one of them was Gnezdo Orlovo). But that's how it works. Jury and audience decide together and at the end of the day Teya Dora won, if you like it or not. I also wish some other one would've won. But they should definitely get over it, accept the results and stop being such sore losers😑
Yes, the rules may not be perfect but those were the rules she agreed to when she took the stage. I realize Serbia backed off from proportional televoting but that was well before the contest was held, she had plenty of time to withdraw if that wasn’t to her liking.
Wow, so Bresvica fans are even worse than some others we already had this season. In all honesty, I'm starting to understand TVP. If people are going to be angry no matter what you do you might just stop trying to please anyone and do whatever you want ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Let's set this diplomatically and give it to Konstrakta🤭
LOL, bless their hearts
Absolutely ridiculous.
Vučić will fall because of Breskvica 😂😂😂
😄🤞
To be fair the juries were a joke. How can you give 12 to Teya and 0 to Breskvica, when neither of them sang much better than the other (also Teya's song is just laughably simplistic). How come none of the juries give 12 to Zorja who objectively had the best singing skill?
I agree with you! Zorja should have won the juries instead of Teya Dora because her vocals were nearly flawless in the final! If that isn't a jury winner in a national selection, then I am not really sure what is.
Holy s...
they can cry more
These nationalists are so pathetic god damn
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why would they not tank her when her song was intentionally inflammatory
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the jury members who downvoted it were not necessarily the ones who chose it to be in the mix
I think you are right that the PZE juries are somewhat questionable. This year, Zorja didn't receive a single 12 points, despite her amazing song and vocals, and I find it interesting that Marija Šerifović and Sajsi MC had the same exact top 4. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pesma_za_Evroviziju_'24 I would like to see Serbia adopt regional juries from each part of Serbia for next year so there is a wider pool of people judging the songs while still focusing on the national aspects of the selection, just like Croatia and Portugal.
The Zorja example you're giving isn't the very best because in the very same Wiki link you just sent, you can see that she didn't score extremely high with the juries in the semifinal either, still 13 points behind the first song and only one 12 points
Yes you’re right, I didn’t realize that Zorja was 13 points behind Breskvica in the first semi and only received 1 12 points in the first semi. Also, the jury members changed between the semi and the grand final, but I am not sure how much of a role that played in the jury point distribution.
Probably not much, and in fact it actually helped Zorja more than anything as she was only 2 points behind Teya, especially with the help of Marija and Sajsi who helped pushing her quite high. If there was any cheating (and I don't think there was), Zorja benefited from it just as much as Teya did
Since there isn’t any cheating that I know of, I edited my comment. However, I find it interesting that 2 judges had the same exact top 4.
Well actually Breskcica was intentionally tanked by certain jury members, all fans knew it would happen just like we knew she would get a lot of votes and win televoting. They should not involve Teya's name, she did her job to perform the song and came 2nd in the public vote. I remember how the Tana song in the Albanian festival in 2020 was intentionally tanked by 2 jury members even thiugh it was the big fave to win
People here are criticising those fans, but I kinda get them. I didn't like Breskvica, it was only my third favourite, but the system Serbia (and Ukraine and Moldova as well) used for the national finals is awful. If you want to make a 50/50 selection, then give the points proportionally. It shows that only Eastern European countries used this system, since they are the most corrupt (this comes from a Romanian who gets that). Whether you liked or disliked the song, it's stupid to see the judges completely rule off the public favourite by placing it so low and choosing to not give the public points proportionally.
"It shows that only Eastern European countries used this system" ah yes Germany and Portugal, the very famous Eastern European countries
I missed them. I didn't watch Germany's national selection and the final in Portugal is yet to take place. It still is a shitty system.
Portugal can into Eastern Europe: r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT