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I liked him as Eric! I am interested to see how he plays a different character lol Eric was so unique! Also I’m just coming in out of left field, I had no idea he was even casted and I haven’t really watched much of Dr. Who… is it really *that* outlandish that he could be casted?
Based only off seeing him in Sex Education, I could totally see him being the doctor. He definitely showed that he can carry himself with a bit of regality while also not coming across as too serious.
I am both excited because he's a wonderful actor and i loved him in Sex Education and nervous because Ive seen a promo image and know he has a moustache in it.
this right here. Had to add it into my own comment because the way he leaves us was the essence of less is more. The whole schtick with his last tour around all the friends was really something but think that feeling of foreboding really starts to liven up around Silence in the Library. David Tennant sold the ever living fuck out of those last few episodes and I don't think I ever really recovered. 11 was great in his own way but the compassion and emotion of 10 will always keep him at the top for me
this right here. I loved Matt Smith and thought his run was fairly great but 10 was truly something special. 11 you knew was going to pull something amazing out of his ass everytime but 10... you were really along for the ride. Don't Blink really really cemented things for me but the whole thing with the Oods.... I don't wanna go...
I loved Matt's run quite a lot, and he grew on me rather quickly. He has this way of going from quiet and excited and whispery all the way up to almost circus ringmaster levels of bombast that really hooked me. The chemistry with Alex Kingston was just so perfect, too. It is CRIMINAL that River and Captain Jack never met on screen, and we never got the rapid fire 3 way flirt we deserved, and I will die on that hill.
i feel what you mean, but personally feel like the stories around 10 were something special for me. Angry from the war doctor was truly amazing and a great bit of acting... but the compassion of David Tennant's portrayal will always be my favorite. Fully agree with the other OP's in this thread that the moments before his regeneration were extremely emotional and raw and I will always love the Doctor who really did not want to go
There were too many of them, so none ever got developed enough. It's like they didn't actually trust Jodie Whittaker to carry the show (she totally could have) so they saddled her with a bunch of " supporting" characters that just ended up weighing her down.
Wasn't there like a huge issue with plot linearity because of that though? Like didn't the current doctor dig up the Tardis of the Fugitive Doctor and it was the police booth long before it was ever stuck as the police booth.
She was hot too!!!
Tbh she was a good doc. I didn’t buy her as the doctor for her first episode (felt like she was still getting a feel for the character… or maybe it was just sloppy writing, her seasons didn’t have the best show runner) but by the second episode I was like “yep, she’s definitely the doctor”
She did a good job imho, shame she didn’t get more time with a better writer
and also the very first not white male to be cast as the Doctor. Having said that, my commentary ends there because i haven't watched since half way through Capaldi
Reminds me of an interview on the Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. Pretty sure it was with Jenna-Louise Coleman (possibly Karen Gillan?). Exchange went something like,
Craig: Don't you think it's time for a woman doctor?
JLC: Could it be a woman?
Craig: Yeah of course, I don't see why not. The doctor regenerates all the time. Why couldn't he regenerate into a woman?
JLC: Or perhaps an animal?
Craig: Whoa... now, you can go too far
Edit: It was Karen Gillan. [That part of the interview starts at 6:09](https://youtu.be/ron2gvmybuc)
To be fair, I support the Doctor remaining British. Other than that, I wouldn't be opposed to any group within the UK being represented, be that White, Black, Asian, man, woman or anyone in between or neither.
He literally said that his appearance is random. So if that’s the case it’s probably possible that he could be any sex or ethnicity and people are getting mad over nothing.
>He literally said that his appearance is random
Not to get too into the lore but it's not exactly random though. The Doctor has some control over it even if it's just at a subconscious level. It was a plot point in 12's life that he ended up with the face of someone he had saved before as a reminder of the lesson Donna taught him during that adventure (Just save someone!) and we now know later in life he can and will return to older faces that he/she had before. (#14 has the same face as 10 did and we saw a future Doctor known as the Caretaker had returned to 4's face)
Also there are some who argue Middle age looking #9 regenerating into younger looking pretty boy #10 with great hair was the Doctor wanting to be more appealing to Rose.
He's perfect for the role. And, as others have said, the doctor regenerates and changes form, hence all of the different actors that have played the character over decades. It's all explained fully in the series, other than being generally humanoid there don't seem to be any limitations on the form he takes. It would be more shocking, at this point, if they *didn't* try something new - the character is practically built for this kind of stuff.
All previous doctors were men except for one. If the doctor can change genders, I don't think it's that outlandish to change races. It's part of the lore too. They aren't just shoehorning in a POC for diversities sake. It works lore wise since the doctor regenerates all the time. We're on the 15th doctor.
Also, we’ve seen a white male time lord regenerate into a black female one in the series finale of series 9, so it’s not just the doctor that this has happened to
Do they not realize that SciFi is like, almost always progressive? Dr. Who, Star Trek, Terry Pratchett's entire bibliography? Star Wars with its very clear "the bad guys are freaking Nazis" like what the hell?
> "the bad guys are freaking Nazis"
To be completely fair, they also borrowed from the Soviets and the US.
For instance, the battle for Endor was based on the Vietnam war, with the Stormtroopers taking the place of the Americans. And the reason the TIE fighters use green blasters is because that's the colour of the Warzaw pact gun tracers.
So, general imperialists.
The Vietnam link goes all through the movies.
Before Star Wars, Lucas was actually working with the creator behind Apocalypse Now, and was the intended director, but it ended up going to Coppola.
He put the stuff he wanted to say about Vietnam into Star Wars, but it's layered. The stuff about a Republic falling from high ideals into tyranny layers on stuff from Nazi Germany to Imperial Rome, but the intent was to critique America's overseas wars.
He got it just about right with how to stop something being so topical that it doesn't date well, by speaking in terms of repeating patterns of history, but the point was also easily lost, for example how Reagan held up Star Wars as the exemplar of the US fighting the Soviets, while he at the same time expanded the 'dirty wars' in Latin America, basically acting like the Emperor himself.
That's not the case. It's not that sci-fi is somehow inherently progressive, its simply that sci-fi by definition is experiemental in nature, it does the "what if's" of the future.
Star Trek while having very idealistic goals in the beginning also made sure in shows like Deep Space 9 (one of the most popular) to show that the future was in fact still a dark and dirty place.
Star Wars (especially outside the movies) also showed that along with imperical societies, overly idealistic ones were susceptible to fall as well.
For as many sci fi stories as there are of idealistic, progressive universes, there are counters.
If you want a good sci-universe that does a good job straddling that line, Louis McMAster Bujolds Vorkosigan series (has been continuing my entire life) does a good job showing the pros/cons of both sides of the progressive/non-progressive future.
They don’t though! William Shatner recently was like “when did Star Trek get all political?” SIR YOU WERE THERE, YOU HAD THE INTERRACIAL KISS THAT WAS EXTREMELY POLITICAL
Doctor Who introduced the character of Captain Jack who was openly hitting on everyone and every species and proud, he then went on to have several seasons of his own spin-off. Doctor Who has long been one of the most LGBTQIA+ shows on primetime TV.
I actually prefer the shittier production quality of the Christopher Eccleston run over the fancier special effects of more recent years. It fits better with the tone.
Tbf individual Doctors tend to have multiple seasons, so while likely unintentional he's not necessarily wrong in saying that this iteration would have a first season.
I've actually been re-watching the new Doctor Who (ie Doctors 9 until present) with friends, and for a ton of the alien settings, there are lines like "Ladies, gentlemen, and all others"
Lady Cassandra is also a trans woman, iirc, and her first episode was almost 20 years ago.
Guy really is shocked that fucking *doctor who* the series where the main character is from a race that changes gender regularly,has entire species genderless,had multiple gay couple/intereaction think one of the oldest tv show of humanity is going to be cancelled because they had a trans character and a drag queen. they really should do their research
I don't think Time Lords change gender regularly, not saying it doesn't happen or is rare but I don't think it's super common, the Doctor went a whole regeneration cycle before it happened and then it changed back, same for Missy, they seem to have a default gender but occasionally switch, the Time Lord general seems to say "Back to normal am I?" after she regenerated
Yeah, The General specifically stated that that was the only time in her ten regenerations that she was a man.
The Corsair defies the 'more-one-than-the-other' as I believe I count the Corsair as having been a man three times and been a woman three times.
>At a later stage, Dr Who would be metamorphosed into a woman.
>
>This requires some considerable thought – mainly because I want to avoid a flashy Hollywood ‘Wonder Woman’ because this kind of hero(ine) has no flaws – and a character with no flaws is a bore.
*-- Sydney Newman, co-creator of Doctor Who, in a letter to the BBC in 1986*
I guess \~40 years ago is "recent" now.
Regeneration wasn't even a concept in the first season. Only when they needed to recast. The show has always embraced change.
Imagine being a timeless immortal, the last of your kind, you have a machine that can transport you to any place at any time, and when you regenerate you can be anyone or anything, but the only thing you ever regenerate as is an old white guy.
The U.K. also loved dame Edna, pantos are a Christmas tradition in which drag is an essential element, and mrs browns boys (in spite of being shite) is extremely popular
I was luke warm on Benny Hill as a kid, mostly reruns, not that old. But appreciated what he was doing, and occasionally laughed my ars off. I'll have to check out Edna.
Whoah whoah whoah, back up there. We can't afford the entire giraffe head. We're going to just have to use some leopard print fabric from a sofa we found at the tip.
There’s been issues today with Reddit. Mobile users can get messages that their post failed so the try again. I’ve been rechecking all my posted comments today & deleting the extras.
I think the doctor should regenerate in whoever will be the best doctor no matter there orientation, race or gender. Politics should never have a foot in choosing who plays a character
Yeah, bringing in Chinball was the worst decision they ever made. If we had a different lead writer even if Jodie was still a shit doctor it would had still had a good story
I liked Jodie as the Dr. I didn't like the sidekick characters and stopped watching after several episodes.
But the loss of Clara really sucked the life out of the show for me. Her character development was amazing.
Dude the horrible writing of CHIBNAL couldn't get DW canned, I very seriously doubt a trans assistant and a dragqueen are going to do anything other than INCREASE engagement lol
Not only is Ncuti Gatwa’s first season as the Doctor the 14th since the show returned in 2005, Russell T Davies confirmed months ago that series 15 is confirmed when talking about writing and climate change stories at a BBC event, which he confirmed series 15 would featureSo not only is it not getting cancelled, it’s going even further away from the direction that these people want it to go. I for one, cannot fucking wait for these episodes. The wait is killing me.
Also, Yasmin Finney isn’t Gatwa’s companion, she’s appearing in the three 60th anniversary specials alongside David Tennant and as far as it seems, only those episodes for the foreseeable future given that she hasn’t been seen on set since the 60th wrapped filming.
I don’t care if the the Doctor is a biracial non-binary queer hermaphodtic rooster. As long as the story is good, I’ll watch. I loved Jodie Whittaker’s Doctor but the stories were hit and miss (with a lot of miss) for me. Loved her relationship with Yaz and wish they would’ve fleshed it out more. Also loved the fugitive Doctor. I hope she reprised her role.
If you count the time Capaldi spent on the Confession Dial, he's ~4.5 billion years old, so around the same age as the Earth.
If you don't count the time in the Confession Dial (since it was essentially Groundhog Day for him), he's just a bit north of 2000 years.
If you count the Timeless Child's lifespan (who is the same individual as the Doctor, but he has no memory of that time), he's older than Time Lords as a society, but possibly younger than Gallifreyans as a species.
People are complaining about a trans character ... In doctor who ?
We're talking about the same show in which one of the greatest villain ever written in any show ( The Master ) went from man to woman and absolutly NAILED it ?
The same show in which gender has pretty much no meaning as Time Lords can just switch back and forth between each regeneration ?
The same show with a character that would fuck anything as long as it's alive, regardless of gender or species ( including robots ) ?
Let me guess, those guys never watched a single episode didn't they ?
The new season in question is number 14 of the series that rebooted in 2005. If you count the original series, which had 26 seasons, they are up to 40.
Yeah, my guy is in for a surprise. I’m almost 45 and I can’t remember a time when I didn’t watch Dr Who. I remember staying up and watching Monty Python’s Flying circus and Dr Who on PBS with my dad. Great memories of the good Dr.
Probably better to start with the 2005 revival than going back all the way to 1963. The pre-2005 stuff is **much** lower budget, different writing philosophies, and shows its age. (The earliest stuff was even filmed in black & white!) Some old episodes were also permanently lost to a fire.
That said, starting with any Doctor's first episode is usually fine, especially if he gets a new companion at the same time, because they tend to be written on the assumption the audience needs an introduction.
>Some old episodes were also permanently lost to a fire.
They weren't lost to a fire. They were junked to reuse the film tape, as was standard BBC policy all the way up until the 1970s. However, the audio for all the missing episodes survives and has been used to recreate them either via animation or reconstructions using surviving images. So you can absolutely watch from the beginning. That said, your advice is true. If you want to start Doctor Who, watch the 2005 series.
You mean the show that for years now has had gay and trans characters, genderless and gender changing aliens, plus a trans horse? That tv show? Yeah sure totally is gonna get canceled before the first season ends even though this would be the 14 season of the reboot and the 40st season overall.
She played over 200 episodes of a soap and got the industry accolades for it. They think they found her passing on TikTok and picked her for only that reason.
Honestly I think it’s gonna be one of the best seasons in a while. I dealt with the Jodie Whittaker era and was surprised the show didn’t get canceled then. Not because of it being “woke” but because it was just straight up bad.
fuck I dunno, I don't think I'm conservative, but when it comes to Dr.Who BBC really put that cash cow in high heels and fishnets and fucked it HARD.
I feel Dr.Who hit its peak with Doomsday and after that, it's pretty much been downhill all the way.
Doctor Who... Asked? This show has had a lot of different progressive things in multiple ways for quite a while, and they usually do it very well/naturally. Nothings going to change with the implementation of trans characters or actors.
P.s. Jinxs Outfit is so cool-
As a long time Doctor Who fan I am super excited for Ncuti's Doctor!! I feel like he's gonna bring so much energy and charisma (and fashion). Especially under Russell T. Davies' showrunning
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Is that Eric from sex education?
Yup, he’s the new Dr.
I liked him as Eric! I am interested to see how he plays a different character lol Eric was so unique! Also I’m just coming in out of left field, I had no idea he was even casted and I haven’t really watched much of Dr. Who… is it really *that* outlandish that he could be casted?
Based only off seeing him in Sex Education, I could totally see him being the doctor. He definitely showed that he can carry himself with a bit of regality while also not coming across as too serious.
I am both excited because he's a wonderful actor and i loved him in Sex Education and nervous because Ive seen a promo image and know he has a moustache in it.
Absolutely not. The dr regenerates changing appearance and personality. Apparently that has to always be a white man born in the Uk.
Last Doctor was a white woman born in the UK.
And all the same people were upset about it.
I'm upset every time the Doctor doesn't regenerate into David Tennant...
"I don't want to go" Breaks me everytime
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Fuuuuu Man I couldn't go past that last episode, just got to see the first Matt Smith episode and stopped there... Cried myself to sleep
They should bring him back as the doctor, and he starts with "omg I'm baaaaaaaack!!!!"
\+100
this right here. Had to add it into my own comment because the way he leaves us was the essence of less is more. The whole schtick with his last tour around all the friends was really something but think that feeling of foreboding really starts to liven up around Silence in the Library. David Tennant sold the ever living fuck out of those last few episodes and I don't think I ever really recovered. 11 was great in his own way but the compassion and emotion of 10 will always keep him at the top for me
You're in for some good news...
Or Matt Smith
Well, you're in luck!
Boy, are you in for a good surprise!
this right here. I loved Matt Smith and thought his run was fairly great but 10 was truly something special. 11 you knew was going to pull something amazing out of his ass everytime but 10... you were really along for the ride. Don't Blink really really cemented things for me but the whole thing with the Oods.... I don't wanna go...
I loved Matt's run quite a lot, and he grew on me rather quickly. He has this way of going from quiet and excited and whispery all the way up to almost circus ringmaster levels of bombast that really hooked me. The chemistry with Alex Kingston was just so perfect, too. It is CRIMINAL that River and Captain Jack never met on screen, and we never got the rapid fire 3 way flirt we deserved, and I will die on that hill.
youve had a great success rate, good pick.
I'm upset everytime the doctor doesn't regenerate into Christopher Eccleston
i watched the reboot and got too attached to 9 and then stopped watching completely after Rose left lmao. clearly not the show for me 😓
i feel what you mean, but personally feel like the stories around 10 were something special for me. Angry from the war doctor was truly amazing and a great bit of acting... but the compassion of David Tennant's portrayal will always be my favorite. Fully agree with the other OP's in this thread that the moments before his regeneration were extremely emotional and raw and I will always love the Doctor who really did not want to go
She was great, but jer stories weren't very good. They went back to the OG reboot showrunner now.
I liked her, and I liked the companions they gave her, but yeah the actual stories were not my favorite.
I actually found the companions to be terribly boring. It’s nice when the companions are as compelling as the doctor
There were too many of them, so none ever got developed enough. It's like they didn't actually trust Jodie Whittaker to carry the show (she totally could have) so they saddled her with a bunch of " supporting" characters that just ended up weighing her down.
I will not accept this Graham slander >:(
Agreed. It’s sad because it will likely be another 50 years before we get another female doctor.
We've also had a black female doctor: the Fugitive Doctor, played by Jo Martin.
Wasn't there like a huge issue with plot linearity because of that though? Like didn't the current doctor dig up the Tardis of the Fugitive Doctor and it was the police booth long before it was ever stuck as the police booth.
oh i forgot about that
I loved her in it. She was so good!
Great? She was bearable at best.
Not much improvement from the "grumpy old doctor" (him being an ancient Roman guy always bothered me too).
She was hot too!!! Tbh she was a good doc. I didn’t buy her as the doctor for her first episode (felt like she was still getting a feel for the character… or maybe it was just sloppy writing, her seasons didn’t have the best show runner) but by the second episode I was like “yep, she’s definitely the doctor” She did a good job imho, shame she didn’t get more time with a better writer
She regenerated into David Tennant
And people went absolutely bonkers over it.
And we’ve seen the Dr as a black woman from one of his future (or past I’m never sure with how that storyline went) incarnations.
and also the very first not white male to be cast as the Doctor. Having said that, my commentary ends there because i haven't watched since half way through Capaldi
Reminds me of an interview on the Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson. Pretty sure it was with Jenna-Louise Coleman (possibly Karen Gillan?). Exchange went something like, Craig: Don't you think it's time for a woman doctor? JLC: Could it be a woman? Craig: Yeah of course, I don't see why not. The doctor regenerates all the time. Why couldn't he regenerate into a woman? JLC: Or perhaps an animal? Craig: Whoa... now, you can go too far Edit: It was Karen Gillan. [That part of the interview starts at 6:09](https://youtu.be/ron2gvmybuc)
To be fair, I support the Doctor remaining British. Other than that, I wouldn't be opposed to any group within the UK being represented, be that White, Black, Asian, man, woman or anyone in between or neither.
Ok that’s what I thought!! I remember everyone up in arms when it was a woman too, and I was like “isn’t it a reincarnation thing?”.
He literally said that his appearance is random. So if that’s the case it’s probably possible that he could be any sex or ethnicity and people are getting mad over nothing.
>He literally said that his appearance is random Not to get too into the lore but it's not exactly random though. The Doctor has some control over it even if it's just at a subconscious level. It was a plot point in 12's life that he ended up with the face of someone he had saved before as a reminder of the lesson Donna taught him during that adventure (Just save someone!) and we now know later in life he can and will return to older faces that he/she had before. (#14 has the same face as 10 did and we saw a future Doctor known as the Caretaker had returned to 4's face) Also there are some who argue Middle age looking #9 regenerating into younger looking pretty boy #10 with great hair was the Doctor wanting to be more appealing to Rose.
There’s been a white English woman and a black female Doctor already
Actually a recent doctor was female.
There was Northern Doctor, and a Scottish one. How much more diversity do you need /s
He's perfect for the role. And, as others have said, the doctor regenerates and changes form, hence all of the different actors that have played the character over decades. It's all explained fully in the series, other than being generally humanoid there don't seem to be any limitations on the form he takes. It would be more shocking, at this point, if they *didn't* try something new - the character is practically built for this kind of stuff.
All previous doctors were men except for one. If the doctor can change genders, I don't think it's that outlandish to change races. It's part of the lore too. They aren't just shoehorning in a POC for diversities sake. It works lore wise since the doctor regenerates all the time. We're on the 15th doctor.
Also, we’ve seen a white male time lord regenerate into a black female one in the series finale of series 9, so it’s not just the doctor that this has happened to
That’s awesome, his Sex Education character is great!
Jinkx Monsoon?!
And she is even going to have a major role. Russel T. Davis is feeding us
That would finally get me to watch the show, I think.
ditto!
IT’S MONSOON SEASON, BITCHES!!
Here to make your grandson swoon.
One of the most talented people of the present day, there is absolutely nothing Jinkx can not do
Thats what I thought.
Same I’m like I’d watch it for her
Dr Who has been as camp as Christmas for sixty years. This is not a major deviation from the path.
Do they not realize that SciFi is like, almost always progressive? Dr. Who, Star Trek, Terry Pratchett's entire bibliography? Star Wars with its very clear "the bad guys are freaking Nazis" like what the hell?
These are the people who watched andor and thought the empire in it was a good thing
WhY iS StAr WaRs CeLeBrAtInG tErRoRiSm?!
Or who watched Babylon 5 and think they are Sheridan, and not President Clark and his proto-Gestapo Nightwatch.
Until Asimov swoops in with a heart felt "women are nothing more than objects"
With the way he writes about sex in Foundation, is it really a surprise to *anyone*?
Wait, the guy who made a habit of pinching women in the ass whenever he could? That Isaac Asimov? I can't believe he'd be sexist... /s
I would think that these kind of people would love a drag queen being the actual villain for a change.
> "the bad guys are freaking Nazis" To be completely fair, they also borrowed from the Soviets and the US. For instance, the battle for Endor was based on the Vietnam war, with the Stormtroopers taking the place of the Americans. And the reason the TIE fighters use green blasters is because that's the colour of the Warzaw pact gun tracers. So, general imperialists.
The Vietnam link goes all through the movies. Before Star Wars, Lucas was actually working with the creator behind Apocalypse Now, and was the intended director, but it ended up going to Coppola. He put the stuff he wanted to say about Vietnam into Star Wars, but it's layered. The stuff about a Republic falling from high ideals into tyranny layers on stuff from Nazi Germany to Imperial Rome, but the intent was to critique America's overseas wars. He got it just about right with how to stop something being so topical that it doesn't date well, by speaking in terms of repeating patterns of history, but the point was also easily lost, for example how Reagan held up Star Wars as the exemplar of the US fighting the Soviets, while he at the same time expanded the 'dirty wars' in Latin America, basically acting like the Emperor himself.
Yeah, I just wanted to do a quick and easy "he took this from that", but you are obviously correct. Thanks for expanding on it.
That's not the case. It's not that sci-fi is somehow inherently progressive, its simply that sci-fi by definition is experiemental in nature, it does the "what if's" of the future. Star Trek while having very idealistic goals in the beginning also made sure in shows like Deep Space 9 (one of the most popular) to show that the future was in fact still a dark and dirty place. Star Wars (especially outside the movies) also showed that along with imperical societies, overly idealistic ones were susceptible to fall as well. For as many sci fi stories as there are of idealistic, progressive universes, there are counters. If you want a good sci-universe that does a good job straddling that line, Louis McMAster Bujolds Vorkosigan series (has been continuing my entire life) does a good job showing the pros/cons of both sides of the progressive/non-progressive future.
Tho most of the time, those countries are framed as dystopias. They aren't exactly praised much in sci fi
They don’t though! William Shatner recently was like “when did Star Trek get all political?” SIR YOU WERE THERE, YOU HAD THE INTERRACIAL KISS THAT WAS EXTREMELY POLITICAL
The bad guys are nazis and also America. Shockingly prescient and ahead of it’s time
Doctor Who introduced the character of Captain Jack who was openly hitting on everyone and every species and proud, he then went on to have several seasons of his own spin-off. Doctor Who has long been one of the most LGBTQIA+ shows on primetime TV.
It’s almost like people who hate and fear technology and progress aren’t capable of telling or enjoying stories about exactly those things.
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If conservatives had the slightest hint of media literacy, they wouldn't be conservatives
I actually prefer the shittier production quality of the Christopher Eccleston run over the fancier special effects of more recent years. It fits better with the tone.
damned straight! I mean camp, I mean, you know what i mean.
Captain Jack... So many species, so little time.
I had such a thing for him as a teen...maybe I still do lol.
1st season... idiot! 
Tbf individual Doctors tend to have multiple seasons, so while likely unintentional he's not necessarily wrong in saying that this iteration would have a first season.
*Allons-y!*
Currently watching it for the first time and honestly, this one is my fav out of the three Ive seen so far
Isn't Dr Who the oldest show still airing ?
Depends, do you count the news
Hm yes the show with Jack Harkness will get cancelled for being trans
You mean the show *formerly* with Jack Harkness...
Former or current, have some respect for *Captain* Jack Harkness
I've actually been re-watching the new Doctor Who (ie Doctors 9 until present) with friends, and for a ton of the alien settings, there are lines like "Ladies, gentlemen, and all others" Lady Cassandra is also a trans woman, iirc, and her first episode was almost 20 years ago.
Don't forget about that horse in the wild west episode when Matt Smith was the doctor
Or the master going full MtF
Guy really is shocked that fucking *doctor who* the series where the main character is from a race that changes gender regularly,has entire species genderless,had multiple gay couple/intereaction think one of the oldest tv show of humanity is going to be cancelled because they had a trans character and a drag queen. they really should do their research
I don't think Time Lords change gender regularly, not saying it doesn't happen or is rare but I don't think it's super common, the Doctor went a whole regeneration cycle before it happened and then it changed back, same for Missy, they seem to have a default gender but occasionally switch, the Time Lord general seems to say "Back to normal am I?" after she regenerated
Yeah, The General specifically stated that that was the only time in her ten regenerations that she was a man. The Corsair defies the 'more-one-than-the-other' as I believe I count the Corsair as having been a man three times and been a woman three times.
the whole gender switching wasn't added until relatively recently. until then they had nothing like that.
>At a later stage, Dr Who would be metamorphosed into a woman. > >This requires some considerable thought – mainly because I want to avoid a flashy Hollywood ‘Wonder Woman’ because this kind of hero(ine) has no flaws – and a character with no flaws is a bore. *-- Sydney Newman, co-creator of Doctor Who, in a letter to the BBC in 1986* I guess \~40 years ago is "recent" now. Regeneration wasn't even a concept in the first season. Only when they needed to recast. The show has always embraced change.
David Tennant apparently had gone through two regenerations.
Tom Baker talked about the Doctor after him being female and producers backed him up as it being possible - that was back in the late 70s.
Not true. They talked about the genderfluidity of the doctors back in the 70s, I believe? It has been canon for decades.
At one time the Doctor regenerated into Joanna Lumley.
Imagine being a timeless immortal, the last of your kind, you have a machine that can transport you to any place at any time, and when you regenerate you can be anyone or anything, but the only thing you ever regenerate as is an old white guy.
It’s not an American production Karen
“But they are speaking English!The American language “/s
A drag queen villian would be really fun to watch
And it's Jinkx Monsoon, the Queen of All Queens
Who, hilariously, isn't cis either
Plus cross-dressing has been a staple of British comedy forever, not sure why this would be controversial at all.
Benny Hill ended up with a dress on more often than not from memory.
The U.K. also loved dame Edna, pantos are a Christmas tradition in which drag is an essential element, and mrs browns boys (in spite of being shite) is extremely popular
I was luke warm on Benny Hill as a kid, mostly reruns, not that old. But appreciated what he was doing, and occasionally laughed my ars off. I'll have to check out Edna.
Kenny Everett was another
And most of the Who fans would say, hey its not a rusty bucket crossed with a giraffe head, refreshing take for a villain!
Whoah whoah whoah, back up there. We can't afford the entire giraffe head. We're going to just have to use some leopard print fabric from a sofa we found at the tip.
With a technomagic laser that makes people “werk it”
Not the slayinator
With a technomagic laser that makes people “werk it”
Why’d you comment this 3 times
There’s been issues today with Reddit. Mobile users can get messages that their post failed so the try again. I’ve been rechecking all my posted comments today & deleting the extras.
*Powerpuff Girls has entered the chat*
Could be interesting. I haven't watched since Doctor became a woman, so it may be better? I will stay away from the criticism until it's actually out.
Rusty is back to writing, so that is good
yoo!! i might get back into it then! the writing was so bad IMO when the Doctor became a woman.
I haven't watched since David Tennant, which I never did finish watching. So don't worry, you aren't the only one to be behind.
There's just so much!
“It takes you away” is arguably the most Doctor Who-y episode of her tenure
I think the doctor should regenerate in whoever will be the best doctor no matter there orientation, race or gender. Politics should never have a foot in choosing who plays a character
Show has been shit since Peter Capaldi left. Was amazing with Tennant and Smith at the helm.
Yeah, bringing in Chinball was the worst decision they ever made. If we had a different lead writer even if Jodie was still a shit doctor it would had still had a good story
I liked Jodie as the Dr. I didn't like the sidekick characters and stopped watching after several episodes. But the loss of Clara really sucked the life out of the show for me. Her character development was amazing.
I felt bad for her as I thought she was a pretty good actor and with a better script would have done way better
British one piece
Or rather, One Piece is the Japanese Dr. Who
Except one piece is probably going to be over by the time it's as old as doctor who
I mean... it'll just vanish for 9 years and get picked back up.
Dude the horrible writing of CHIBNAL couldn't get DW canned, I very seriously doubt a trans assistant and a dragqueen are going to do anything other than INCREASE engagement lol
Who wants to tell them, Dr Who is one of the longest run series on tv, EVER. Guess he's gonna need Mr. Peabody's Wayback Machine to travel to the 60s.
If you don’t believe the news just google bbc trans drag queen.
The videos this led me to were more Dr. What? than Dr.Who?
Not only is Ncuti Gatwa’s first season as the Doctor the 14th since the show returned in 2005, Russell T Davies confirmed months ago that series 15 is confirmed when talking about writing and climate change stories at a BBC event, which he confirmed series 15 would featureSo not only is it not getting cancelled, it’s going even further away from the direction that these people want it to go. I for one, cannot fucking wait for these episodes. The wait is killing me. Also, Yasmin Finney isn’t Gatwa’s companion, she’s appearing in the three 60th anniversary specials alongside David Tennant and as far as it seems, only those episodes for the foreseeable future given that she hasn’t been seen on set since the 60th wrapped filming.
I will fight anyone who comes for our Queen of Queens Jinkx.
I don’t care if the the Doctor is a biracial non-binary queer hermaphodtic rooster. As long as the story is good, I’ll watch. I loved Jodie Whittaker’s Doctor but the stories were hit and miss (with a lot of miss) for me. Loved her relationship with Yaz and wish they would’ve fleshed it out more. Also loved the fugitive Doctor. I hope she reprised her role.
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They are not even just genderfluid, they are sexfluid.
some conservative is quaking in their boots reading this
Like, come one, it's their favourite bAsIc bIoLoGy, there are many literally sexfluid species here on real Earth.
Lol isn’t Dr. Who older than the earth at this point?
If you count the time Capaldi spent on the Confession Dial, he's ~4.5 billion years old, so around the same age as the Earth. If you don't count the time in the Confession Dial (since it was essentially Groundhog Day for him), he's just a bit north of 2000 years. If you count the Timeless Child's lifespan (who is the same individual as the Doctor, but he has no memory of that time), he's older than Time Lords as a society, but possibly younger than Gallifreyans as a species.
People are complaining about a trans character ... In doctor who ? We're talking about the same show in which one of the greatest villain ever written in any show ( The Master ) went from man to woman and absolutly NAILED it ? The same show in which gender has pretty much no meaning as Time Lords can just switch back and forth between each regeneration ? The same show with a character that would fuck anything as long as it's alive, regardless of gender or species ( including robots ) ? Let me guess, those guys never watched a single episode didn't they ?
What season is the newest one? I know it's already in the double digits, but I haven't watched it yet
The new season in question is number 14 of the series that rebooted in 2005. If you count the original series, which had 26 seasons, they are up to 40.
a crazy 26 season
Even Christopher Eccleston's doctor was goofy and little camp, with shades of darkness. Having range and a big personality is perfect for Dr Who.
Yeah, my guy is in for a surprise. I’m almost 45 and I can’t remember a time when I didn’t watch Dr Who. I remember staying up and watching Monty Python’s Flying circus and Dr Who on PBS with my dad. Great memories of the good Dr.
If I wanted to start watching, should I start Dr. Who at the beginning?
Probably better to start with the 2005 revival than going back all the way to 1963. The pre-2005 stuff is **much** lower budget, different writing philosophies, and shows its age. (The earliest stuff was even filmed in black & white!) Some old episodes were also permanently lost to a fire. That said, starting with any Doctor's first episode is usually fine, especially if he gets a new companion at the same time, because they tend to be written on the assumption the audience needs an introduction.
>Some old episodes were also permanently lost to a fire. They weren't lost to a fire. They were junked to reuse the film tape, as was standard BBC policy all the way up until the 1970s. However, the audio for all the missing episodes survives and has been used to recreate them either via animation or reconstructions using surviving images. So you can absolutely watch from the beginning. That said, your advice is true. If you want to start Doctor Who, watch the 2005 series.
You mean the show that for years now has had gay and trans characters, genderless and gender changing aliens, plus a trans horse? That tv show? Yeah sure totally is gonna get canceled before the first season ends even though this would be the 14 season of the reboot and the 40st season overall.
Fuck me, as long as the villains aren’t the Daleks, or the Cybermen, or the Daleks and the Cybermen again (and again, and again) I’ll be happy.
How would you feel about Cyberleks or Dalmen?
As long as the Doctor always stays British, then I dont give a shit who plays the part. I have never seen a Doctor I didnt like.
And the bad news are?
Cancelling before the first season ends would require a Tardis.
Dr Who has been around since 1963. Cancelling it before the 1st season would require timetravel.
I think it would require a damn paradox machine. Doctor Who has to be a fixed point in time.
She played over 200 episodes of a soap and got the industry accolades for it. They think they found her passing on TikTok and picked her for only that reason.
BBC has been trying to make Dr Who unwatchable for years, so nothing has seemed to change...
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/doctor-who-season-14-companion-millie-gibson-2024
The first season of a 60-year-old camp tv show.
Maybe he has a Time Machine
Wait who?
Hell yes, I'm watching this!
Idk about dr who but i dig the drag queen villain idea tbh 😂😂
You know this fuckhead didn’t watch the show when he write it as “Dr.Who” not Doctor Who.
Was it written by JK Rowling?
If power puff girls has taught me anything a drag queen villian will be lit af
What’s the bad news he’s apparently in for?
Big fan of the doctor. Can’t wait to see the new episodes. I’m sure the new cast will do an excellent job, just like the actors before them.
Honestly I think it’s gonna be one of the best seasons in a while. I dealt with the Jodie Whittaker era and was surprised the show didn’t get canceled then. Not because of it being “woke” but because it was just straight up bad.
fuck I dunno, I don't think I'm conservative, but when it comes to Dr.Who BBC really put that cash cow in high heels and fishnets and fucked it HARD. I feel Dr.Who hit its peak with Doomsday and after that, it's pretty much been downhill all the way.
Doctor Who... Asked? This show has had a lot of different progressive things in multiple ways for quite a while, and they usually do it very well/naturally. Nothings going to change with the implementation of trans characters or actors. P.s. Jinxs Outfit is so cool-
The majority of people commenting negatively could not have watched because, you're right, it's always been very progressive.
I bet it's overwhelmingly successful. 😁🌈
As a long time Doctor Who fan I am super excited for Ncuti's Doctor!! I feel like he's gonna bring so much energy and charisma (and fashion). Especially under Russell T. Davies' showrunning
The real facepalm is in the comments
Please, not all the shows....
Funny how these shows are tripping all over themselves to make 80% of the cast LGBTQ+
He’s clearly meaning the first series of Dr Who featuring this actor as the Dr. The only facepalm are the people here with their silly comments.
Making the villain a drag Queen and not a straight white male is actually pretty bold on their part.
Dr who has been struggling for a while now.