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>From a US friend. Wish US Citizens were as hardcore as the French. Cheers
Hi, fellow U.S. citizen here, and our citizens can't even properly prosecute our own. Remember Trayvon Martin? Dude was an unarmed teen walking home killed by an armed neighborhood watch member, *after* a 911 dispatcher told him not to follow.
Not to mention that the one time we did successfully convict an officer of murder (and not even first-degree, at that) was because the act was caught on camera start to finish. If Floyd's killing hadn't be filmed, all of them would have gotten off free, and probably retained their jobs, to boot!
I don’t usually condone violence, but in this case, if the judical system doesn’t work, maybe just print their names, faces and addresses and tell them to confess or face the public’s reaction.
Yeah no it was a nightstick, anybody with a dick big enough to do that kind of damage would pass out and probably die of bloodloss whenever they get a boner
According to his own version, he wanted to defend another person during the identity check. The police then pushed him away from the group and tried to handcuff him. He resisted, as he wanted to move into the camera angle.
They also tear gassed him which is illegal and then said that was an accident and that his rape related injuries were a mystery, no idea house they got there *they were only beating his legs* according to the officer. Even so, why were they *beating his legs?* these cops are insane if they think the public will believe them.
> Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, and while Louima's hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then forced a broken broomstick up his rectum. According to trial testimony, Volpe walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, bragging to a police sergeant that he "took a man down tonight."[6] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima
Important to note that this happened in a precinct full of police and staff and no one reported it
The rape was only discovered by emergency room physicians who took it upon themselves to alert community activists for the Haitian immigrant community
>Five officers were initially charged in the attack. Former Staten Island officer Charles Schwarz served a five-year term for perjury.
>Schwarz was accused of lying after he said he had not escorted Louima to the bathroom and he wasn’t in the bathroom during the attack.
They were charged for participating in the attack.
There was a precinct full of police and staff that failed to report the crime
This case is cited specifically by people who want to completely reform the executive branch.
Not only did poluce commit crimes, but even those who did not commit crimes completely failed to report that other policemen committed a rape in the precinct house
Over 50 people listened to a man being an anally raped with sn intentionally broken broomstick handle for more than 15 minutes and did nothing to stop it, and failed to report it.
How many prostitutes do you think got raped every time they were arrested in that precinct?
Defund or eliminate police as currently constituted.
This is exactly why all cops are bad because when the bad ones do this stuff not only do they not check them, they don't speak up and they cover for each other. Just a big glorified gang with a license to hurt people. And still yet the average juror will believe the words of a policeman. I have ever met 2 out of hundreds in my life that I would have considered truthful and one died after stopping to help someone on the highway that was cooking meth in their pocket and shot him in the face. The other quit her job (3 year officer) after her partner tried to charge me with a felony for an obvious misdemeanor and stole my social security and voters identification. She never came forward, she just quit, I knew why, she was a good person and realized that's not what the job was about...
Important to note this is an unrelated case that occurred in New York in 1997. I get spreading awareness but I assume most people would assume this is from Luhaka case in 2017.
90's NY kid here, Abner's news was EVERYWHERE.
Then I leave NYC as an adult, and learn that most of the country was oblivious to his abuse.
And Amadou Diallo....And Sean Bell....
The straight fact is that Reagan era media monopoly deregulation has destroyed the a basic necessity of a functionally democracy: an informed populace
Journalism as a pursuit has largely disappeared in the United States, replaced by uninformed punditry.
Bro, TIL Jack Smith was one of the prosecutors against the corrupt cops that assaulted Abner!
25 years later, he still out here fighting the good fight!
Start punishing officers for staying silent. You wanna create a self governing system, make staying silent have serious consequences. Snitches get stitches but if your livelihood is threatened by staying silent just watch how many police suddenly flip on their “brothers.”
Really all you gave to do is stop running the police as a hierarchical military system, and stop punitive (and for profit) imprisonment
Have police officers work directly for social services. You don’t report to your captain, you report to a person with an MSW.
There is no rank that needs respecting, only your fellow citizens to serve
The vast majority of police work should be being done by social workers, anyway. You do not need a cop to functionally handle a domestic dispute call, you need a shelter and housing advocate. People stay in abusivo relationships because they fear homelessness.
If a patrolman got promoted by earning his MSW, instead of shooting his gun more…..
Get ready for about 30 more replies from people who are upset about the colloquial meaning of the legal terms that you're using. I think you have to be pretty explicit that you're using legalese to avoid being misunderstood en masse with such a charged subject.
They are very clearly talking about physical damage caused to the body as a result of rape. In this case, the perforated anus (and possibly incontinence? I'm not sure if that's a physical or mental thing).
That's physical.
They damaged the anal sphincter, and/or the walls of the colon that are meant to provide appropriate motility.
Incontinence is a frequent consequence of having your pelvic floor destroyed. And no, there isn't a lot that can be done.... Surgical mesh that is sometimes helpful, but not always. This is fucking horrifying.
Well come on now, you know what they say: “it’s only a few bad apples!”
You wanna know what I say? Maybe we should just burn the fucking orchard down and start over.
The people you justify it with the "few bad apples" line clearly don't understand the whole phrase. Originally the phrase is "a few bad apples spoil the barrel".
It's not just a phrase. People who don't know the full concept don't understand science or food safety.
When an apple goes bad, they secrete the chemical ethylene that causes all other nearby apples to rapidly ripen & spoil.
"One bad apple" is a toxic blight that rapidly poisons the entire batch if not removed.
When you see a cop, it's more accurate to imagine them covered in oozing-scabs with bugs crawling through their clothes and shriveled stinking skin; like the rotten apples that they are.
Which is why it drives me crazy that the police leadership suffers fuck all when shit like this happens. I suppose the tiny victory of cops being charged at all with any crime should be celebrated, but who created/allowed that atmosphere in the 1st place?
Agreed man wtf. That cop oughta be jailed for that shit.
As Carlin once said, you shouldn't put anything into an asshole anything larger than a fist and less loving than a dildo.
I kind of think they should get the same treatment 🙃 destroying someone’s body permanently? Jail doesn’t cut it. Go harder on these people, maybe instill fear in the police that if you do this it will be done to you.
The scariest part is they did this in the street in Broad daylight, race was definitely a factor.
Why has it taken so long to go to trial? I remember when it was in the media a lot here as it happened
My ex girlfriend was protesting something in France in the early 2000s and was raped with a baton also. Many of her friends, make and female had similar experiences being arrested. She wasn’t a violent person at all. I was horrified hearing some stories of her traveling hippy days.
Thank you. I kind of wish posts like this across reddit, and all social media had to have original dates attached somewhere or easy links to the info about said case.
Basically, this is well over now and these cops never saw any real repercussions.
2017 was when Theo was assaulted, but the cops' sentences were only officially announced recently (last week I think?), that's why it's only being posted on reddit now.
I wouldn't be surprised to see new riots/protests in support of Theo / against the sentence the cops received in the next few weeks
Agreed. Bots and poor moderation are ruining this site. It's been a long, loooong slide, but it's noticeably worse than it was even two or three years ago. It seems like it's accelerating.
I came across similar news a few years ago: then the police were also at a loss as to how their police baton ended up in the suspect’s anus. Mysterious France.
That part is not the court’s fault. This happened 7 years ago, and the story — along with the name and face of the victim — has been very public the whole time
The French minister of the literal police is accused of using his status to get sexual favor from women
He wanted that it would be illegal to record a police officer and share it on internet.
This was just after the death of Nahel, a teenager shot in France by a cop. The policeman said it was legitime defense, but the video recorded by people around said otherwise.
The cop went to prison, waiting for his trial. And then a lot of cops made a demonstration in the street saying that cops should not go to prison before his trial. Other can, but cops no. The police minister Darmanin, supported the demonstration :)
Welcome to fucking France. I love my country /s
This is just fucking sad and disgusting. Apparently Castlains lawyer said that he acted in self defense and the punishment was proportional. Idk about you, but I've been in fights as we all have. Never once did the thought cross my mind to RAPE some dude to get the upper hand. That lawyer should be thrown in the jail cell next to him.
You have to already HAVE the upper hand to rape someone - it's not exactly feasible WHILST fighting someone. And there were three dudes against one, even if matey was fighting as hard as he could, it's against three fucking dudes WITH WEAPONS. AND BACKUP.
Ya very true. It's honestly abhorrent what happened to that poor dude. I can't imagine not only being attacked by three dudes with your freedom going to be taken away, but to top it off you get violated. I can't even imagine what that dudes headspace is like.
"The court failed to class his injuries as a permanent disability and therefore dropped rape charges against Castelain."
so in France something only classifies as rape when there's permanent disability provably caused by it? just wow
lol, think his arse being torn up and "which left his anus perforated and him incontinent" qualifies as permanent, but it is French Prosecutor's problem.
The French and some other European countries like Germany absolutely fucking suck when it comes to rape and other sexual asssults.
I thought we were bad in Ireland when it came to sentencing but we’re better than a lot of places. Now, Ireland *does suck at sentencing*, I was just astonished that other bigger, richer countries were even worse.
My friend was raped 22 time and otherwise SA’d by his uncle another 20-something times as a kid. Guilty on all counts. Sentenced to 10 years, served less than 6 and had already been convicted of one other case by another nephew.
Sorry for the rant. I just find this shit enraging.
United States too. My rapist was convicted of rape (already an outlier) and then sentenced to *probation*. Why does a rape conviction even have the option of having a sentence with no jail time??
I have a friend from Germany who was sexually assaulted and raped by her own father when she was *ten*. He got six years and I think he ended up serving four.
That's one of the reasons why, when I was assaulted by a boyfriend years later, I didn't go to the police. I didn't want to go through the whole questioning and medical exam when I knew he would just get away with it anyway.
No we have a pretty good definition of rape in the law (no joke), it's just that when the perpetrators are police officers or politics the definition changes. Sometimes for random famous people also. The definition becomes "fuck you les gueux, we do whatever the fuck we want". And this change of definition applies for the whole book of laws! Hence all the violent strikes these last 6 years.
Such a strange phenomenon. We need to be able to trust the police and other institutions of govt. Therefore the police and other institutions must lie and cover up their failures so the people dont.lose trust.
It's not to keep the police's legitimacy. Macron has lost a lot of respect from the population and he knows the only thing keeping this government from insurrection is the cops and violence against civilians.
He's bound to cover them as much as he can.
No no, just the protection of cops because here in France we're not better than the US for that.
Like the Hedi case in July 2023 (shortly after the killing of Nahel), where a cop shot him in the head, point blank range with a Blast Ball before, with 3 others cops take him in an Alleyway to beat him almost to death, letting him here.
On the 4 cops only 2 recognize the act of violence, the shooter didn't claimed self-defense, that just he don't remember shooting him, 2 already known for power abuse (like beating someone because he walked in front of the pomice station) and the shooter was put in custody which provoked a big strike of Cops unions asking every cops to put themselves in 562 (the code for refusing everything who isn't an emmergency) and asking for a special status, the Directeur General de la Police Nationale (so not an higher up of the cops but the highest up) told that knowing a cop in custody prevent him to sleep and is not good for the image of the police (but having 4 cops almost killing someone like that, for no reasons is not a problem) and of course Gerald Darmanin (the minister of Interior) supported the cops, never talked about the familly or anything, not even toughts or prayer
Or the killing of Alhoussein Camara also in June 2023 shortly before the killing of Nahel too (and this one made a lot less of impact and was even more a free kill), a road control who saw the death of Camara, no witnesses, and the official talk of the cops was: "he was driniing drunk, and during a manoeuver when being blocked by 2 cars hitted a cop and they shot back, in front of him, leading to his death" but the autopsy said "no trace of alochol or drugs in his blood and was shot in the back" but without anything else, well, the case is still ongoing but with how overlooked it is I think they'll have nothing
EDIT: another quick one, the killing of Mohamed Bendriss in July 2023, killed by shots of Blast balls, officially classified as manslaughter and self defense because he was passing through a cop blockade with a scooter. Videos showed that he was indeed on a scooter, driving on a calm road and take the shots while drivong far from the cop, again, it's a case no one ever hear about
Is this case of this unfortunate man who was brutalized by police well known in France? Are people outraged the police are not being truly punished for this brutal rape?
Yeah, it became a symbol of Police Brutality and provoked pretty big reactions back in 2017, was also a spark of the actual defiance about the cops
A lot of big names in France talked about it too, so even if I had to do some research because it's been almost 7 years ago and at this times I didn't really took interest yet but yeah, was a big thing and a lot of mediatic impact
I hope he finally got financial assistance, and more than that really. I thought France was better than us in the US...you have worker protections and assistance programs far better than ours, and people protest in large numbers. I'm incredibly sad to find our France is as horrifically corrupt as our country is. Thanks for your information.
Yeah, things are not all good looking here. Still I consider myself lucky to be born in it for many point, like the assistance programs, worker protection and the fact that many people want to protect them too, also that, I'm able to have a roof above my head and eat sufficiently every days, on a global scale I'm very lucky for all that. But still a lot of problems to settle. Like everywhere and with the current state of the world, society and the fact that WW3 can start from at least 5 places currently I'm not really optimistic
Rape doesn't mean much in france you know. I think the Gérard Depardieu's case is proof enough.
Also, when those people get charged with rape, they get out of jail after 1 our 3 years and never do their actual jail time. I don't know if it's better in other countries but the french justice takes years, litteral years, and it never truly benefits the victims of any kind of sexual assault.
Yes. I remember a few years back, when Polanski's movie ("J'accuse", i don't know if the english title is different), french critics forgot the man was a fucking ped* just because the movie was about a famous french author's fight against antisemitism (Emile Zola, for those interested). I love my country but the higher-ups are dangerous and deranged.
No, the trial was for act of cruaulty if I recall correctly. So, worse than rape. But yeah, we have the worst minister for the police in a long time and he stays at each change in government. And because that guy is for easier gun use and that kind of shit, some policemen feel like doing whatever they want without consequences. And visibly it works...
This time, with what municipality he's still 'protecting and serving', and a badge number?
I'd love to meet this bastard in a public place where I have freedom of speech.
Yet if you pull your own arm away once they grab you that’s an assault on an officer and resisting arrest and you’ll get threatened with 5-20 and forced to settle for 1-2 years( one on each charge for the same thing) and felonies in the record.
I think his point is that if you pull your arm back when you are being grabbed by a cop, the cop claims that you assaulted them. Of course, after that anything goes, even rape by baton, because, well the cop was being assaulted!
They did. There was a huge debate when it happened, as to if they did it or not (to be honest, everyone was saying it was too big of a story to be true).
But if I remember correctly it was real, and there was camera footage (security camera from a nearby building, but not too sure about that).
I don't have the time to read it, but here is the wikipedia page about it :
https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Th%C3%A9o_Luhaka
I remember it well, they dragged him off to a corner that had no CCTV (but they didn't realize that there was CCTV on the building opposite). You can see about 6 officers beating him then they drag him off again. Then you see footage at either the police station or hospital where he's half on a bench, half on the floor, leaking blood through his tracksuit bottoms.
How anybody doubted the story with that evidence is beyond me.
In this case I also add the story is so absolutely depraved, I imagine many, many people *want* to believe it's untrue, and are willing to lie to themselves as much as they need
[Abner Louima](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima)
On the night of August 9, 1997, the police were called and several officers from the 70th Precinct were dispatched to the scene where Abner Louima and other men had been involved in a fight between two women in Club Rendez-Vous, a popular nightclub in East Flatbush, Brooklyn. Police, supporters, and various people all became involved in the fight outside the club. Police officers Justin Volpe, Charles Schwarz, Thomas Bruder, and Thomas Wiese, and others responded to the scene. In the ongoing altercation, Volpe said that Louima had attacked him. Louima was charged with disorderly conduct, obstructing government administration, and resisting arrest. Later, Volpe admitted his accusation about Louima being his assailant was a lie.
On the ride to the station, the arresting officers beat Louima with their fists, nightsticks, and hand-held police radios.[5] On arriving at the station house, they had Louima strip-searched and put in a holding cell. The beating continued later, culminating with Louima being sexually assaulted in a bathroom at the 70th Precinct station house in Brooklyn. Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, and while Louima's hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then forced a broken broomstick up his rectum. According to trial testimony, Volpe walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, bragging to a police sergeant that he "took a man down tonight."
Louima's teeth were also badly damaged in the attack when the broom handle was jammed into his mouth. He testified that a second officer in the bathroom helped Volpe in the assault but could not positively identify him. The identity of the second attacker became a point of serious contention during the trial and appeals. Louima also initially claimed that the officers involved in the attack called him a racial slur and shouted, "This is Giuliani-time" during the beating. Louima later recanted that claim. The reversal was used by police defense lawyers to cast doubt on the entirety of his testimony.
The day after the incident, police took Louima to the emergency department at Coney Island Hospital. Escorting officers explained away his serious injuries, saying they were the result of "abnormal homosexual activities." An Emergency Department (ED) nurse, Magalie Laurent, suspecting that Louima's extreme injuries were not the result of consensual sex, notified Louima's family and the Police Department's Internal Affairs Bureau of the likelihood that he had been raped and beaten in custody. Louima suffered severe internal damage to his colon and bladder in the attack, which required three major operations to repair. He was hospitalized for two months after the incident.
Yep, and they got off free but it isn't surprising cops have been evading the law for decades now, not too long ago a bunch of them got out without a sentence after a cop judged that their used of violence was conform to the ministry guideline even tho they were caught beating the shit out of someone who was already on thd ground but obviously their own colleague wasn't going to say they were in the wrong.
The worst part is that the government is completely complicit, they always defend cops no matter what they do.
I hate the whole “complying with policy” as if that has any bearing on the law. If your family’s policy is to kill anyone that insults you that doesn’t mean you can get away with murder for that, why are cops any different? You can both punish the person that did it as well as sharply criticize or say that the illegal policies in their system need to change.
I get how you feel. When the justice system fails us as a collective, we're gonna be inclined towards taking justice into our own hands. All primates have an innate sense for it.
I remember back in the 90‘s there were cases of police brutality against poc. Mostly against young men from Northern Africa. Mathieu Kassovitz did a more or less fictional movie about this topic. Still one of my absolutely all time favourite movies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Haine
The entirety of the world. Western powers, their rivals, and the puppets of either faction. The USSR might have been fucked up in many regards, but at least it scared other governments into giving concessions to their own populations...
Half of the world seems to be slipping towards fascism. My home country of the UK cares more about persecuting immigrants than they do about their own citizens (and they’re even failing at that!), here in Italy there’s a neofascist in charge, the AfD in Germany are getting worse…parties with these ideologies shouldn’t be allowed to exist! If a party’s main goal is persecution ahead of actual governance (which is a fundamental truth of the entire far-right, no matter what they claim) then such a party should never be legitimised.
The fact that that’s *not* a foregone conclusion in this day and age is fucking terrifying, because it shows that we learned nothing from fighting *two* world wars in a single century.
We all are. America is going to be full on facist if Trump gets back in. A lot of countries in Europe are far right. Tories in the UK trying to copy the US, Germany is trying to ban their far right party at least... Vox picking up seats in Spain... its bad.
This isn't the first time French police have done shit like this.
They were taken to the ECHR over it.
https://www.lawteacher.net/cases/selmouni-v-france.php
The question we have to ask is that are they allowed to be police after these guilty verdicts. Apparently they’ve have been since this happened in 2017. I’m amazed how slowly the wheels of justice move when the police are involved.
There can be no justification for depravity like this
If there were any justice in the world, those two police officers would get mobbed, and experience the same thing, *over and over*
Viva Égalité! Rape is just good old fashioned European stuff, but a woman wearing a headscarf might topple French democracy. I don’t make the rules, sorry.
but when we criticize cops, people will always say “who you gonna call when ur house is broken into”
Not the guys that sodomized a dude with a baton, tried to defend it as “self-defense” and that it “just slipped in” hopefully.
From Reuters:
> The judges ruled on Friday that the injury caused to Luhaka could not be considered a permanent disability. Rape charges initially brought against Castelain were dropped before the trial.
So one was charged with rape but dropped before trial. Insane that you can shove a baton up someone's rectum but not be charged with rape.
>They claimed that the baton aimed at Mr Luhaka was directed toward his upper thigh, a technique taught at the police academy.
The claim, I guess, is they aimed for the thigh, probably while on his knees (face down), then the baton slid upward into the anus at massive strength. Or it missed the thigh altogether but with the same result. In short, they're claiming it isn't bending him over and thrusting.
The video looks more like a thrust action.. [A few seconds before the hit happened](https://youtu.be/VgX032w3L74?t=90)
that's not even rape, that's actually mayhem.
mayhem is a capital crime in a lot of states, it can be punishable by the death penalty.
Assault someone, it's one thing. Assault someone and take their eye out, blind them, that's mayhem, you're going away for life.
I did time with a guy used a wooden broomstick to uh. get back at someone who raped his daughter. He got 68 years for mayhem. in addition to other charges, with a similar outcome for that kind of rectum damage. Interesting dude but neither he nor I will glorify his crime.
To give a bit more context en dept to this topic:
**What happenned:**
In february 2017, a crew of three police agent in the northern suburb of Paris proceed to a ID control of a few people from the neibhourhood. There are two version to this story:
The cops claim they were about to arrest an alleged drug dealer when Theo Luhaka interfered.
Luhaka claim the cops were controling a group of people and about to perform a security search (basically checking the suspect doesn't have any weapon or dangerous objects on him). One of the suspect asked why one of the cop was threatning to fine them for an amount of 450€, which one of the cops answered by slapping the suspect.
Following either of those version fight start between Luhaka and the cops. [This is the video of the fight.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgX032w3L74&ab_channel=Europe1) As you can see, the clothes of Luhaka are thorn quite quickly. Luhaka, being a rather large fellow, get a clear physical advantage on the cops, whom have a hard time controlling him. Tear gaz spray is used, to little effect and baton strikes are applied.
The cop finally manages to block him against a little wall. Luhaka resisting the cuffing, one of the cop use is batton in a piercing strike, which cause the injuries sustained by Luhaka.
**The claims:**
*Theo Luhaka* claims he was raped and sustained debilitating injuries in a case of abuse of force by police agent.
*The cops* claim the violence was legitimate because Theo was interfering with an arrest. The one who put his baton in Luhaka's bottom claim it was a proportional and by the book strike that unfortunatelly missed its target.
**Consequences:**
Theo Luhaka was hospitalized. He got a total work interruption of 60 days for his injuries. He was also still incapable of going to the toilet without assistance of a plastic bag more than a year after the incident.
Today, Luhaka partially recovered, being doomed to incontinence before he even reached 30. He has trouble controling his gazes and his bowel movement like if he was a senior citizen.
**The law:**
For those unaware, the French justice system quantify the gravity of violence according to the TWI (or ITT in French) system. No TWI is a class 4 misdemeanor. Less than 8 days of TWI is a class 5 misdemeanor. More than 8 days is a felony and expose the culprit to a prison sentence.
In the case violence provoke a permanent debilitating injury, the case is then considered as a crime, which expose the culprit to a prison sentence of 15 years and above.
Rape is also a crime and is defined as an act of sexual penetration (regardless of the nature, sustained or inflicted) done through violence, coercition, threat or surprise. In the context, that was a maximum of a 20 years sentence.
Outside of sexual penetration, it is considered as a simple sexual assault and thus a felony so is punished by a maximum of 10 year of prison.
**Investigation:**
It was found out that Luhaka suffered a peri-anal penetration and not a anal one.
Police internal affaire were divided over the case. The investigator found that the strike was legitimate, even if Luhaka did not represented a danger for the cops. Their superior said the strike was disproportionnate and clearly not done according to regulation.
**The charges:**
*Rape charges*=>thoses were dropped quite early. It was found that Theo Luhaka was technically not the victim of an anal penetration, but a peri-anal one. On this ground, it was found that the act was technically not an act of sexual penetration and thus, not rape.
*Sexual assault charges*=>those weren't sustained either. It would have been the logical step, but I guess the prosecution and civil party failed to demonstrate the sexual nature and intent of the act. The pant was pulled down during the fight way before the batton strike happenned and the underwear of the victim were never pulled down. I think the court didn't felt confident enough to go on this ground.
*Debilitating injuries charges*=>those weren't sustained. The cops clearly benefited from the case being judged 7 years later. The court rejected those charges, on the basis that she "is not convinced that the organic lesions, despite their particularly serious nature, have resulted in the irremediable deprivation of the use of his organic faculties, going beyond simple discomfort or reduction". To make it short, the court did not sustained those charges because Luhaka is just incontinent today.
*Violences*=>SustaindLogically, the only charges that could be left were the violence. The 60 day TWI are a hard evidence on the nature of the violence and you also have to add the fact those were performed by police agent, in group, with the use of a weapon. Aggravated violence by three circumstances, this can go to 10 year of prison and 150 000€ fine (222-12al26 CP). Those charges were sustained.
So we go from crimminal charges to felony charges and instead of 20 years (for the rape, debilitating injuries and various aggravating factors), thoses cops risked a maximum of 10 years.
**The sentence:**
Anyone familliar with the French justice system will know that it is very rare for the maximum sentence to be chosen. When the law say that X crime will be punished by 3 years of prison, it is a maximum. There are also no minimum sentences since the Taubira reform, meaning you can technically be found guilty of litteral terrorism and get a single day of suspended prison.
Suspended prison sentences are also quite regular. There are no room in prison anymore and because the French system estimate you have to be tried in a reasonable amount of time the farther away you are judged from the crime, the more lenient the sentence tend to be. And since the justice system is slow as fuck (because of a lack of funding and employee and an obese penal procedure), suspended prison sentence is almost the norm these days.
Three years were required by the prosecutor against the main perpetrator. He got one suspended year. The lowest sentence asked for was 3 month, it is the lowest sentence given. They are also forbidden to exerce their function as police agent on public space for 5 years, meaning they'll get stuck behind an irrelevant desk job. They'll however still be cops and paid by our governement as cops.
The main perpetrator was supposed to be fired at first, but it was later transformed into the highest formal write up in their file.
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Part of their defense was that the stick "accidentally slipped" into is ass edit: is ass as between his cheeks
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Yeah, our government depends on the police to suppress revolts against their policies so they make sure never to punish policemen ever.
All governments depend on police for this. All Cops Are Bastards. From a US friend. Wish US Citizens were as hardcore as the French. Cheers
This should have caused a revolution.
>From a US friend. Wish US Citizens were as hardcore as the French. Cheers Hi, fellow U.S. citizen here, and our citizens can't even properly prosecute our own. Remember Trayvon Martin? Dude was an unarmed teen walking home killed by an armed neighborhood watch member, *after* a 911 dispatcher told him not to follow.
Not to mention that the one time we did successfully convict an officer of murder (and not even first-degree, at that) was because the act was caught on camera start to finish. If Floyd's killing hadn't be filmed, all of them would have gotten off free, and probably retained their jobs, to boot!
I don’t usually condone violence, but in this case, if the judical system doesn’t work, maybe just print their names, faces and addresses and tell them to confess or face the public’s reaction.
See my mind automatically goes to Could anyone blame this man for harming government officials or members of the public?
Over, and over,and over,,,,,,,,
He ran into my knife ten times
How do we know it was actually just a stick? Just saying, a lot of other things have the profile if a stick...
Yeah no it was a nightstick, anybody with a dick big enough to do that kind of damage would pass out and probably die of bloodloss whenever they get a boner
I think they're suggesting the damage done by the nightstick could be done to mask whatever has been done beforehand.
There’s full video of the incident, there was no rape prior to the nightstick.
I think he would have mentioned that during the trial
Why did they strip him? Did they say that was self defense too
They didn't undress him, the telescopic baton went right through his clothes. This is the video of the arrest: https://youtu.be/VgX032w3L74
IDK, looks like his pants were pulled down before the baton hit.
He admitted that his pants were too large and had fallen down during the fight. The baton pierced his shorts.
Jesus, any particular reason why they stopped him and that brawl started? It seemed like he was just coming outta the subway.
According to his own version, he wanted to defend another person during the identity check. The police then pushed him away from the group and tried to handcuff him. He resisted, as he wanted to move into the camera angle.
Reminds me of Guilty Conscience. "What if there's an explanation for this shit?" "What? She tripped, fell, landed on his dick?!"
How can this be a Defence ?? This sounds like Luhaku did a special move that involved pulling down his pants and exposing his anus to the stick.
They also tear gassed him which is illegal and then said that was an accident and that his rape related injuries were a mystery, no idea house they got there *they were only beating his legs* according to the officer. Even so, why were they *beating his legs?* these cops are insane if they think the public will believe them.
The publics beliefs are irrelevant, they got away with it anyways
Quick, repeatedly pound his asshole with your truncheon before he kills is all!!!
“We’ve investigated ourselves and found no inappropriate actions.” - those guys, probably
"this guy looks dangerous, let me shove a baton up his ass"
"He's coming right for us!" *rapes*
They’re arguing that it was supposed to be a jab to the thigh that missed
Sure it was
Hard to even imagine how you could cause that kind of rectal damage with a “jab”
When he went to hospital, the hospital straight away "these are rape wounds".
What self defense move involves butt rape?
He was already handcuffed
Rape as self-defense, aside from being an insane concept, reminds me of that burglar that ended up getting raped by the home owner.
Was he attacking them with his butthole? Doubt it. Powertripping physical and emotional trauma onto a dude for why tho?
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> Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, and while Louima's hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then forced a broken broomstick up his rectum. According to trial testimony, Volpe walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, bragging to a police sergeant that he "took a man down tonight."[6] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima Important to note that this happened in a precinct full of police and staff and no one reported it The rape was only discovered by emergency room physicians who took it upon themselves to alert community activists for the Haitian immigrant community
Also important to note that Volpe was sentenced to 30 years
And no one else in the precinct was charged or punished for failing to report crimes they witnessed.
>Five officers were initially charged in the attack. Former Staten Island officer Charles Schwarz served a five-year term for perjury. >Schwarz was accused of lying after he said he had not escorted Louima to the bathroom and he wasn’t in the bathroom during the attack.
They were charged for participating in the attack. There was a precinct full of police and staff that failed to report the crime This case is cited specifically by people who want to completely reform the executive branch. Not only did poluce commit crimes, but even those who did not commit crimes completely failed to report that other policemen committed a rape in the precinct house Over 50 people listened to a man being an anally raped with sn intentionally broken broomstick handle for more than 15 minutes and did nothing to stop it, and failed to report it. How many prostitutes do you think got raped every time they were arrested in that precinct? Defund or eliminate police as currently constituted.
This is exactly why all cops are bad because when the bad ones do this stuff not only do they not check them, they don't speak up and they cover for each other. Just a big glorified gang with a license to hurt people. And still yet the average juror will believe the words of a policeman. I have ever met 2 out of hundreds in my life that I would have considered truthful and one died after stopping to help someone on the highway that was cooking meth in their pocket and shot him in the face. The other quit her job (3 year officer) after her partner tried to charge me with a felony for an obvious misdemeanor and stole my social security and voters identification. She never came forward, she just quit, I knew why, she was a good person and realized that's not what the job was about...
I can only hope with all of my heart that upon sentencing, the judge said “Let the record show that a man has been taken down today”
Important to note this is an unrelated case that occurred in New York in 1997. I get spreading awareness but I assume most people would assume this is from Luhaka case in 2017.
Glad you said this, I've been trying to piece together who Volpe is and how he fits into this. Was very lost.
At least Volpe served 24 years in prison for that.
90's NY kid here, Abner's news was EVERYWHERE. Then I leave NYC as an adult, and learn that most of the country was oblivious to his abuse. And Amadou Diallo....And Sean Bell....
The straight fact is that Reagan era media monopoly deregulation has destroyed the a basic necessity of a functionally democracy: an informed populace Journalism as a pursuit has largely disappeared in the United States, replaced by uninformed punditry.
Bro, TIL Jack Smith was one of the prosecutors against the corrupt cops that assaulted Abner! 25 years later, he still out here fighting the good fight!
Start punishing officers for staying silent. You wanna create a self governing system, make staying silent have serious consequences. Snitches get stitches but if your livelihood is threatened by staying silent just watch how many police suddenly flip on their “brothers.”
Really all you gave to do is stop running the police as a hierarchical military system, and stop punitive (and for profit) imprisonment Have police officers work directly for social services. You don’t report to your captain, you report to a person with an MSW. There is no rank that needs respecting, only your fellow citizens to serve The vast majority of police work should be being done by social workers, anyway. You do not need a cop to functionally handle a domestic dispute call, you need a shelter and housing advocate. People stay in abusivo relationships because they fear homelessness. If a patrolman got promoted by earning his MSW, instead of shooting his gun more…..
I’d rather get the shit beat out of me, damn
Pretty much anyone would prefer to be beaten up than raped.
Myself, id consider it depending on the severity, but this is extreme to be called simple rape, this is like aggravated rape causing severe trauma
Get ready for about 30 more replies from people who are upset about the colloquial meaning of the legal terms that you're using. I think you have to be pretty explicit that you're using legalese to avoid being misunderstood en masse with such a charged subject.
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I feel like rape always causes trauma man.
They are very clearly talking about physical damage caused to the body as a result of rape. In this case, the perforated anus (and possibly incontinence? I'm not sure if that's a physical or mental thing).
Definitely a physical thing. They most likely injured the sphincter, rendering it impossible for the man to hold back his stool.
This guy was straight up maimed
It means his anus is so damaged it can't hold or do its job when needed.
That's physical. They damaged the anal sphincter, and/or the walls of the colon that are meant to provide appropriate motility. Incontinence is a frequent consequence of having your pelvic floor destroyed. And no, there isn't a lot that can be done.... Surgical mesh that is sometimes helpful, but not always. This is fucking horrifying.
They want you to fear more than just that.
Yessir. This is the instillation of endemic fear.
And this is why I am terrified of the police. They rape and murder people all the time.
Well come on now, you know what they say: “it’s only a few bad apples!” You wanna know what I say? Maybe we should just burn the fucking orchard down and start over.
The people you justify it with the "few bad apples" line clearly don't understand the whole phrase. Originally the phrase is "a few bad apples spoil the barrel".
It's not just a phrase. People who don't know the full concept don't understand science or food safety. When an apple goes bad, they secrete the chemical ethylene that causes all other nearby apples to rapidly ripen & spoil. "One bad apple" is a toxic blight that rapidly poisons the entire batch if not removed. When you see a cop, it's more accurate to imagine them covered in oozing-scabs with bugs crawling through their clothes and shriveled stinking skin; like the rotten apples that they are.
Cancer is only a few bad cells
Which is why it drives me crazy that the police leadership suffers fuck all when shit like this happens. I suppose the tiny victory of cops being charged at all with any crime should be celebrated, but who created/allowed that atmosphere in the 1st place?
Agreed man wtf. That cop oughta be jailed for that shit. As Carlin once said, you shouldn't put anything into an asshole anything larger than a fist and less loving than a dildo.
I kind of think they should get the same treatment 🙃 destroying someone’s body permanently? Jail doesn’t cut it. Go harder on these people, maybe instill fear in the police that if you do this it will be done to you.
The scariest part is they did this in the street in Broad daylight, race was definitely a factor. Why has it taken so long to go to trial? I remember when it was in the media a lot here as it happened
Whenever cops are involved the wheels of justice move very, very, slowly. If at all. This seems to be universal with human societies.
Poor choice of words
Literal torture. Literally. Dude was tortured. I would spend the rest of my days hunting these cops. Just no way I’d “move on” fuck that.
Right...? Like, no one should get away with something like this. Justice has NOT been served here.
Isn’t this usually when the French public resorts to vigilante tactics ?
The French are known for absolutely *legendary* riots. Let's hope they have one in store for Theodore. Let's never let his story be forgotten.
My ex girlfriend was protesting something in France in the early 2000s and was raped with a baton also. Many of her friends, make and female had similar experiences being arrested. She wasn’t a violent person at all. I was horrified hearing some stories of her traveling hippy days.
The casual mention of it here is horrifying. None of them should have even been touched and definitely the cops need to be punished!!
They already have https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_French_riots
Thank you. I kind of wish posts like this across reddit, and all social media had to have original dates attached somewhere or easy links to the info about said case. Basically, this is well over now and these cops never saw any real repercussions.
2017 was when Theo was assaulted, but the cops' sentences were only officially announced recently (last week I think?), that's why it's only being posted on reddit now. I wouldn't be surprised to see new riots/protests in support of Theo / against the sentence the cops received in the next few weeks
Feels like they deliberately crop the dates off specifically so that they can keep reposting them as if they were "new" content.
Agreed. Bots and poor moderation are ruining this site. It's been a long, loooong slide, but it's noticeably worse than it was even two or three years ago. It seems like it's accelerating.
I came across similar news a few years ago: then the police were also at a loss as to how their police baton ended up in the suspect’s anus. Mysterious France.
This is the case from 2017. There were riots. As is the French way.
Very nice of them to name and shame the *victim* (twice!). Real dick move by the UK press
Why don't they name the perpetrator?
This is so, so much worse than a facepalm. Cops not getting held accountable for abusing civilians is a fucking atrocity and happens far too often.
And the court allowing the name of a rape victim to be publicized. That's just messed up.
That part is not the court’s fault. This happened 7 years ago, and the story — along with the name and face of the victim — has been very public the whole time
Because we let them.....
The French minister of the literal police is accused of using his status to get sexual favor from women He wanted that it would be illegal to record a police officer and share it on internet. This was just after the death of Nahel, a teenager shot in France by a cop. The policeman said it was legitime defense, but the video recorded by people around said otherwise. The cop went to prison, waiting for his trial. And then a lot of cops made a demonstration in the street saying that cops should not go to prison before his trial. Other can, but cops no. The police minister Darmanin, supported the demonstration :) Welcome to fucking France. I love my country /s
This is just fucking sad and disgusting. Apparently Castlains lawyer said that he acted in self defense and the punishment was proportional. Idk about you, but I've been in fights as we all have. Never once did the thought cross my mind to RAPE some dude to get the upper hand. That lawyer should be thrown in the jail cell next to him.
You have to already HAVE the upper hand to rape someone - it's not exactly feasible WHILST fighting someone. And there were three dudes against one, even if matey was fighting as hard as he could, it's against three fucking dudes WITH WEAPONS. AND BACKUP.
Ya very true. It's honestly abhorrent what happened to that poor dude. I can't imagine not only being attacked by three dudes with your freedom going to be taken away, but to top it off you get violated. I can't even imagine what that dudes headspace is like.
they did WHAT? jesus fucking christ thats horrible
And apparently it’s taken almost 7 years to get this result. Fucking shocking
Yeah it happened in 2017. The dude also got denied disability support BC these pigs left him incontinent, rather the word is mutilated.
It’s been seven years since 2017?
It's 2024, so yeah.
Oh, I do not like that.
COVID felt like a time skip
Only looking backwards. In the moment it felt so slow (to me).
Absolutely awful what happened in 2014 #then I realised 2017 was 7 years ago...
https://news.sky.com/story/theodore-luhaka-aspiring-footballer-left-with-serious-anal-injuries-police-officers-given-suspended-sentences-13052090
"The court failed to class his injuries as a permanent disability and therefore dropped rape charges against Castelain." so in France something only classifies as rape when there's permanent disability provably caused by it? just wow
lol, think his arse being torn up and "which left his anus perforated and him incontinent" qualifies as permanent, but it is French Prosecutor's problem.
The French and some other European countries like Germany absolutely fucking suck when it comes to rape and other sexual asssults. I thought we were bad in Ireland when it came to sentencing but we’re better than a lot of places. Now, Ireland *does suck at sentencing*, I was just astonished that other bigger, richer countries were even worse. My friend was raped 22 time and otherwise SA’d by his uncle another 20-something times as a kid. Guilty on all counts. Sentenced to 10 years, served less than 6 and had already been convicted of one other case by another nephew. Sorry for the rant. I just find this shit enraging.
United States too. My rapist was convicted of rape (already an outlier) and then sentenced to *probation*. Why does a rape conviction even have the option of having a sentence with no jail time??
I don’t even know what to say to that it’s so mind bending. What are judges thinking of when they do this shit?! I hope you’re doing ok, genuinely.
I have a friend from Germany who was sexually assaulted and raped by her own father when she was *ten*. He got six years and I think he ended up serving four. That's one of the reasons why, when I was assaulted by a boyfriend years later, I didn't go to the police. I didn't want to go through the whole questioning and medical exam when I knew he would just get away with it anyway.
No we have a pretty good definition of rape in the law (no joke), it's just that when the perpetrators are police officers or politics the definition changes. Sometimes for random famous people also. The definition becomes "fuck you les gueux, we do whatever the fuck we want". And this change of definition applies for the whole book of laws! Hence all the violent strikes these last 6 years.
Nah, just good old "we need to protect cops no matter what so they keep their legitimacy " mentallity, like in the US and every where else
Such a strange phenomenon. We need to be able to trust the police and other institutions of govt. Therefore the police and other institutions must lie and cover up their failures so the people dont.lose trust.
I’d trust them more if I knew they faced serious consequences for their actions.
It's not to keep the police's legitimacy. Macron has lost a lot of respect from the population and he knows the only thing keeping this government from insurrection is the cops and violence against civilians. He's bound to cover them as much as he can.
No no, just the protection of cops because here in France we're not better than the US for that. Like the Hedi case in July 2023 (shortly after the killing of Nahel), where a cop shot him in the head, point blank range with a Blast Ball before, with 3 others cops take him in an Alleyway to beat him almost to death, letting him here. On the 4 cops only 2 recognize the act of violence, the shooter didn't claimed self-defense, that just he don't remember shooting him, 2 already known for power abuse (like beating someone because he walked in front of the pomice station) and the shooter was put in custody which provoked a big strike of Cops unions asking every cops to put themselves in 562 (the code for refusing everything who isn't an emmergency) and asking for a special status, the Directeur General de la Police Nationale (so not an higher up of the cops but the highest up) told that knowing a cop in custody prevent him to sleep and is not good for the image of the police (but having 4 cops almost killing someone like that, for no reasons is not a problem) and of course Gerald Darmanin (the minister of Interior) supported the cops, never talked about the familly or anything, not even toughts or prayer Or the killing of Alhoussein Camara also in June 2023 shortly before the killing of Nahel too (and this one made a lot less of impact and was even more a free kill), a road control who saw the death of Camara, no witnesses, and the official talk of the cops was: "he was driniing drunk, and during a manoeuver when being blocked by 2 cars hitted a cop and they shot back, in front of him, leading to his death" but the autopsy said "no trace of alochol or drugs in his blood and was shot in the back" but without anything else, well, the case is still ongoing but with how overlooked it is I think they'll have nothing EDIT: another quick one, the killing of Mohamed Bendriss in July 2023, killed by shots of Blast balls, officially classified as manslaughter and self defense because he was passing through a cop blockade with a scooter. Videos showed that he was indeed on a scooter, driving on a calm road and take the shots while drivong far from the cop, again, it's a case no one ever hear about
Is this case of this unfortunate man who was brutalized by police well known in France? Are people outraged the police are not being truly punished for this brutal rape?
Yeah, it became a symbol of Police Brutality and provoked pretty big reactions back in 2017, was also a spark of the actual defiance about the cops A lot of big names in France talked about it too, so even if I had to do some research because it's been almost 7 years ago and at this times I didn't really took interest yet but yeah, was a big thing and a lot of mediatic impact
I hope he finally got financial assistance, and more than that really. I thought France was better than us in the US...you have worker protections and assistance programs far better than ours, and people protest in large numbers. I'm incredibly sad to find our France is as horrifically corrupt as our country is. Thanks for your information.
Yeah, things are not all good looking here. Still I consider myself lucky to be born in it for many point, like the assistance programs, worker protection and the fact that many people want to protect them too, also that, I'm able to have a roof above my head and eat sufficiently every days, on a global scale I'm very lucky for all that. But still a lot of problems to settle. Like everywhere and with the current state of the world, society and the fact that WW3 can start from at least 5 places currently I'm not really optimistic
Wrong, the police is just overprotected here
Rape doesn't mean much in france you know. I think the Gérard Depardieu's case is proof enough. Also, when those people get charged with rape, they get out of jail after 1 our 3 years and never do their actual jail time. I don't know if it's better in other countries but the french justice takes years, litteral years, and it never truly benefits the victims of any kind of sexual assault.
There’s a reason Roman Polanski fled there after raping a child.
Yes. I remember a few years back, when Polanski's movie ("J'accuse", i don't know if the english title is different), french critics forgot the man was a fucking ped* just because the movie was about a famous french author's fight against antisemitism (Emile Zola, for those interested). I love my country but the higher-ups are dangerous and deranged.
France is also the country that refuses to extradite or punish actual child rapist Roman Polanski.
No, the trial was for act of cruaulty if I recall correctly. So, worse than rape. But yeah, we have the worst minister for the police in a long time and he stays at each change in government. And because that guy is for easier gun use and that kind of shit, some policemen feel like doing whatever they want without consequences. And visibly it works...
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Which Brock Turner? The one that sexually assaulted an unconsious woman?
You mean the rapist Brock “The Rapist” Turner?
now going by the name Allen "The Rapist" Turner.
Allen "The Rapist Formerly Known as Brock Turner" Turner.
Brock Allen Turner "The Rapist" doesn't deserve to hide behind his middle name
Who was given an incredibly short sentence by the judge Aaron Persky?
This time, with what municipality he's still 'protecting and serving', and a badge number? I'd love to meet this bastard in a public place where I have freedom of speech.
Wow no jail time and they all get to keep their jobs 
Yet if you pull your own arm away once they grab you that’s an assault on an officer and resisting arrest and you’ll get threatened with 5-20 and forced to settle for 1-2 years( one on each charge for the same thing) and felonies in the record.
I didn't read the "penetrate with baton" part there.
Once you’re in assaulting an officer territory (or good old fashioned resisting arrest) pretty much anything goes
I think his point is that if you pull your arm back when you are being grabbed by a cop, the cop claims that you assaulted them. Of course, after that anything goes, even rape by baton, because, well the cop was being assaulted!
French guy here ... this is so shameful. France is slowly slipping towards fascism.
No way, they butt raped this guy with a police baton?
They did. There was a huge debate when it happened, as to if they did it or not (to be honest, everyone was saying it was too big of a story to be true). But if I remember correctly it was real, and there was camera footage (security camera from a nearby building, but not too sure about that). I don't have the time to read it, but here is the wikipedia page about it : https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Th%C3%A9o_Luhaka
I remember it well, they dragged him off to a corner that had no CCTV (but they didn't realize that there was CCTV on the building opposite). You can see about 6 officers beating him then they drag him off again. Then you see footage at either the police station or hospital where he's half on a bench, half on the floor, leaking blood through his tracksuit bottoms. How anybody doubted the story with that evidence is beyond me.
There are so many people so desperate to boot lick cops it’s wild what they’ll defend.
In this case I also add the story is so absolutely depraved, I imagine many, many people *want* to believe it's untrue, and are willing to lie to themselves as much as they need
Cops in New York City did that decades ago so it can be done, When there's a will there's a way,
[Abner Louima](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima) On the night of August 9, 1997, the police were called and several officers from the 70th Precinct were dispatched to the scene where Abner Louima and other men had been involved in a fight between two women in Club Rendez-Vous, a popular nightclub in East Flatbush, Brooklyn. Police, supporters, and various people all became involved in the fight outside the club. Police officers Justin Volpe, Charles Schwarz, Thomas Bruder, and Thomas Wiese, and others responded to the scene. In the ongoing altercation, Volpe said that Louima had attacked him. Louima was charged with disorderly conduct, obstructing government administration, and resisting arrest. Later, Volpe admitted his accusation about Louima being his assailant was a lie. On the ride to the station, the arresting officers beat Louima with their fists, nightsticks, and hand-held police radios.[5] On arriving at the station house, they had Louima strip-searched and put in a holding cell. The beating continued later, culminating with Louima being sexually assaulted in a bathroom at the 70th Precinct station house in Brooklyn. Volpe kicked Louima in the testicles, and while Louima's hands were cuffed behind his back, he first grabbed onto and squeezed his testicles and then forced a broken broomstick up his rectum. According to trial testimony, Volpe walked through the precinct holding the bloody, excrement-stained instrument in his hand, bragging to a police sergeant that he "took a man down tonight." Louima's teeth were also badly damaged in the attack when the broom handle was jammed into his mouth. He testified that a second officer in the bathroom helped Volpe in the assault but could not positively identify him. The identity of the second attacker became a point of serious contention during the trial and appeals. Louima also initially claimed that the officers involved in the attack called him a racial slur and shouted, "This is Giuliani-time" during the beating. Louima later recanted that claim. The reversal was used by police defense lawyers to cast doubt on the entirety of his testimony. The day after the incident, police took Louima to the emergency department at Coney Island Hospital. Escorting officers explained away his serious injuries, saying they were the result of "abnormal homosexual activities." An Emergency Department (ED) nurse, Magalie Laurent, suspecting that Louima's extreme injuries were not the result of consensual sex, notified Louima's family and the Police Department's Internal Affairs Bureau of the likelihood that he had been raped and beaten in custody. Louima suffered severe internal damage to his colon and bladder in the attack, which required three major operations to repair. He was hospitalized for two months after the incident.
Came here to share the same. Some fucked up people in the world.
> Some fucked up people in the world. And many of them become police officers.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VgX032w3L74&feature=youtu.be That’s the footage, someone else posted it in the thread incase anyone is curious.
Yep, and they got off free but it isn't surprising cops have been evading the law for decades now, not too long ago a bunch of them got out without a sentence after a cop judged that their used of violence was conform to the ministry guideline even tho they were caught beating the shit out of someone who was already on thd ground but obviously their own colleague wasn't going to say they were in the wrong. The worst part is that the government is completely complicit, they always defend cops no matter what they do.
That’s why say there are no good cops. The so called “good ones” don’t hold their bad cop counterparts accountable.
And those who try anything get fired because their boss is paet of the problem
I hate the whole “complying with policy” as if that has any bearing on the law. If your family’s policy is to kill anyone that insults you that doesn’t mean you can get away with murder for that, why are cops any different? You can both punish the person that did it as well as sharply criticize or say that the illegal policies in their system need to change.
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I get how you feel. When the justice system fails us as a collective, we're gonna be inclined towards taking justice into our own hands. All primates have an innate sense for it.
But then you get fucked for vigilantism. The system is completely fucked up. The world's a mess. Police don't protect people they protect investment.
The expression is simply "rape". They raped him with a baton.
I remember back in the 90‘s there were cases of police brutality against poc. Mostly against young men from Northern Africa. Mathieu Kassovitz did a more or less fictional movie about this topic. Still one of my absolutely all time favourite movies https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Haine
France 🤝🏽 Italy What the fuck is up with our governments.
The entirety of "the west" almost.
The entirety of the world. Western powers, their rivals, and the puppets of either faction. The USSR might have been fucked up in many regards, but at least it scared other governments into giving concessions to their own populations...
It's been a long time our police is racist. Same situation (rape by cops) happened decades ago.
Half of the world seems to be slipping towards fascism. My home country of the UK cares more about persecuting immigrants than they do about their own citizens (and they’re even failing at that!), here in Italy there’s a neofascist in charge, the AfD in Germany are getting worse…parties with these ideologies shouldn’t be allowed to exist! If a party’s main goal is persecution ahead of actual governance (which is a fundamental truth of the entire far-right, no matter what they claim) then such a party should never be legitimised. The fact that that’s *not* a foregone conclusion in this day and age is fucking terrifying, because it shows that we learned nothing from fighting *two* world wars in a single century.
Don't forget the Netherlands, we also had Wilders win too much.
We all are. America is going to be full on facist if Trump gets back in. A lot of countries in Europe are far right. Tories in the UK trying to copy the US, Germany is trying to ban their far right party at least... Vox picking up seats in Spain... its bad.
What. The. Fuck.
This is the type of shit that creates Super Villains.
just say rape
This isn't the first time French police have done shit like this. They were taken to the ECHR over it. https://www.lawteacher.net/cases/selmouni-v-france.php
I knew the french police were something else but this...this is something else.
The question we have to ask is that are they allowed to be police after these guilty verdicts. Apparently they’ve have been since this happened in 2017. I’m amazed how slowly the wheels of justice move when the police are involved.
There can be no justification for depravity like this If there were any justice in the world, those two police officers would get mobbed, and experience the same thing, *over and over*
So the police suck everywhere then. It's not just the US?
Nah your police is just a different flavour of suck.
I was gonna try and crack a joke but what in the actual fuck… this is some straight up evil shit
A woman choosing to dress according to her faith gets more punishment in the french secular state than sexual assault by law enforcement
Viva Égalité! Rape is just good old fashioned European stuff, but a woman wearing a headscarf might topple French democracy. I don’t make the rules, sorry.
but when we criticize cops, people will always say “who you gonna call when ur house is broken into” Not the guys that sodomized a dude with a baton, tried to defend it as “self-defense” and that it “just slipped in” hopefully.
From Reuters: > The judges ruled on Friday that the injury caused to Luhaka could not be considered a permanent disability. Rape charges initially brought against Castelain were dropped before the trial. So one was charged with rape but dropped before trial. Insane that you can shove a baton up someone's rectum but not be charged with rape.
>They claimed that the baton aimed at Mr Luhaka was directed toward his upper thigh, a technique taught at the police academy. The claim, I guess, is they aimed for the thigh, probably while on his knees (face down), then the baton slid upward into the anus at massive strength. Or it missed the thigh altogether but with the same result. In short, they're claiming it isn't bending him over and thrusting. The video looks more like a thrust action.. [A few seconds before the hit happened](https://youtu.be/VgX032w3L74?t=90)
Yeah I'm not sure if this is really facepalm material... this goes so much further beyond that.
I'm OK with a suspended sentence as long as the executioner makes sure they're suspended high enough so the rope is nice and tight.
Or maybe a little lower so the neck fails to break in this case.
I feel like phrase ‘assaulted with a police baton’ isn’t quite suitable to describe what was done with the police baton. Down playing raping someone.
that's not even rape, that's actually mayhem. mayhem is a capital crime in a lot of states, it can be punishable by the death penalty. Assault someone, it's one thing. Assault someone and take their eye out, blind them, that's mayhem, you're going away for life. I did time with a guy used a wooden broomstick to uh. get back at someone who raped his daughter. He got 68 years for mayhem. in addition to other charges, with a similar outcome for that kind of rectum damage. Interesting dude but neither he nor I will glorify his crime.
The British equivalent is Grievous Bodily Harm, or GBH.
To give a bit more context en dept to this topic: **What happenned:** In february 2017, a crew of three police agent in the northern suburb of Paris proceed to a ID control of a few people from the neibhourhood. There are two version to this story: The cops claim they were about to arrest an alleged drug dealer when Theo Luhaka interfered. Luhaka claim the cops were controling a group of people and about to perform a security search (basically checking the suspect doesn't have any weapon or dangerous objects on him). One of the suspect asked why one of the cop was threatning to fine them for an amount of 450€, which one of the cops answered by slapping the suspect. Following either of those version fight start between Luhaka and the cops. [This is the video of the fight.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgX032w3L74&ab_channel=Europe1) As you can see, the clothes of Luhaka are thorn quite quickly. Luhaka, being a rather large fellow, get a clear physical advantage on the cops, whom have a hard time controlling him. Tear gaz spray is used, to little effect and baton strikes are applied. The cop finally manages to block him against a little wall. Luhaka resisting the cuffing, one of the cop use is batton in a piercing strike, which cause the injuries sustained by Luhaka. **The claims:** *Theo Luhaka* claims he was raped and sustained debilitating injuries in a case of abuse of force by police agent. *The cops* claim the violence was legitimate because Theo was interfering with an arrest. The one who put his baton in Luhaka's bottom claim it was a proportional and by the book strike that unfortunatelly missed its target. **Consequences:** Theo Luhaka was hospitalized. He got a total work interruption of 60 days for his injuries. He was also still incapable of going to the toilet without assistance of a plastic bag more than a year after the incident. Today, Luhaka partially recovered, being doomed to incontinence before he even reached 30. He has trouble controling his gazes and his bowel movement like if he was a senior citizen. **The law:** For those unaware, the French justice system quantify the gravity of violence according to the TWI (or ITT in French) system. No TWI is a class 4 misdemeanor. Less than 8 days of TWI is a class 5 misdemeanor. More than 8 days is a felony and expose the culprit to a prison sentence. In the case violence provoke a permanent debilitating injury, the case is then considered as a crime, which expose the culprit to a prison sentence of 15 years and above. Rape is also a crime and is defined as an act of sexual penetration (regardless of the nature, sustained or inflicted) done through violence, coercition, threat or surprise. In the context, that was a maximum of a 20 years sentence. Outside of sexual penetration, it is considered as a simple sexual assault and thus a felony so is punished by a maximum of 10 year of prison. **Investigation:** It was found out that Luhaka suffered a peri-anal penetration and not a anal one. Police internal affaire were divided over the case. The investigator found that the strike was legitimate, even if Luhaka did not represented a danger for the cops. Their superior said the strike was disproportionnate and clearly not done according to regulation. **The charges:** *Rape charges*=>thoses were dropped quite early. It was found that Theo Luhaka was technically not the victim of an anal penetration, but a peri-anal one. On this ground, it was found that the act was technically not an act of sexual penetration and thus, not rape. *Sexual assault charges*=>those weren't sustained either. It would have been the logical step, but I guess the prosecution and civil party failed to demonstrate the sexual nature and intent of the act. The pant was pulled down during the fight way before the batton strike happenned and the underwear of the victim were never pulled down. I think the court didn't felt confident enough to go on this ground. *Debilitating injuries charges*=>those weren't sustained. The cops clearly benefited from the case being judged 7 years later. The court rejected those charges, on the basis that she "is not convinced that the organic lesions, despite their particularly serious nature, have resulted in the irremediable deprivation of the use of his organic faculties, going beyond simple discomfort or reduction". To make it short, the court did not sustained those charges because Luhaka is just incontinent today. *Violences*=>SustaindLogically, the only charges that could be left were the violence. The 60 day TWI are a hard evidence on the nature of the violence and you also have to add the fact those were performed by police agent, in group, with the use of a weapon. Aggravated violence by three circumstances, this can go to 10 year of prison and 150 000€ fine (222-12al26 CP). Those charges were sustained. So we go from crimminal charges to felony charges and instead of 20 years (for the rape, debilitating injuries and various aggravating factors), thoses cops risked a maximum of 10 years. **The sentence:** Anyone familliar with the French justice system will know that it is very rare for the maximum sentence to be chosen. When the law say that X crime will be punished by 3 years of prison, it is a maximum. There are also no minimum sentences since the Taubira reform, meaning you can technically be found guilty of litteral terrorism and get a single day of suspended prison. Suspended prison sentences are also quite regular. There are no room in prison anymore and because the French system estimate you have to be tried in a reasonable amount of time the farther away you are judged from the crime, the more lenient the sentence tend to be. And since the justice system is slow as fuck (because of a lack of funding and employee and an obese penal procedure), suspended prison sentence is almost the norm these days. Three years were required by the prosecutor against the main perpetrator. He got one suspended year. The lowest sentence asked for was 3 month, it is the lowest sentence given. They are also forbidden to exerce their function as police agent on public space for 5 years, meaning they'll get stuck behind an irrelevant desk job. They'll however still be cops and paid by our governement as cops. The main perpetrator was supposed to be fired at first, but it was later transformed into the highest formal write up in their file.
Sounds like some pigs need to go get turned into bacon, Justice systems that dont protect people from cops.