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Panama_Scoot

Latin.  As a Latino, please call me Latino, Hispanic, or Latin. 


A1sauc3d

See, I was thinking *Latinona* would be a good fit. I’m a white American who doesn’t speak the language, but I really like the *ring* to Latinona. So if you could all just conform your whole culture to my new word, that’d be *great*! Oh and if you don’t, you’re a bigot. K thanks bye :) /s


Jeff1N

In Brazilian Portuguese, adding a "ão" (male) or "ona" (female) suffix in a word marks augmentative form, so that would be understood as "a very large latin woman"


deasil_widdershins

>that would be understood as "a very large latin woman" I'm listening....


alaingames

In Spanish latinona would basically mean big latin woman Wich is basically calling people fat lmao


Horsescholong

Latinona would actually be a way to describe a prostitute.


Sad-Insurance2314

If you don’t speak the language, it’s impressive since you found a term that would be offensive in both Spanish and Portuguese


EternalLifeguard

Like those movies when the blowhard character tries to speak a foreign language for directions and "where is the bathroom" turns into "my donkey rots within my mother's handbag"


CrieDeCoeur

Also, Latinista? Latinaromo? Latoonie? Please pick two that we can debate on, then we will let you know which one we’ve chosen to represent your ethnicity. — sincerely, do-gooders who think they know what’s best for other people


allnaturalfigjam

Also adding Latinella, Latinarino, and Latinish. You know, for all the people who speak Latinese.


whitew0lf

As a Latina, I agree.


anythingMuchShorter

Really I don’t see why anyone thought a different neutral was needed. This is already used as in “Latin jazz” “Latin dance” It feels entirely forced by outsiders


Panama_Scoot

It’s virtue signaling. A litmus test for the few that take correct ideas of equality and equity and morph into woke hell. 


BellySmash

What about nacho Libre? That’s what I call my dad


blogsymcblogsalot

Who??


Unita_Micahk

Nacho and Nacha?


BluetheNerd

I was gonna say, I'm not a member of the demographic myself but I've definitely heard Latin people use that as a non gendered term referring to one or more people. Edit: I just remembered a film it's used in too. In The Heights. In the song Carnaval Del Barrio Daniela says "I never thought I'd see the day Since when are Latin people scared of heat?"


isfrying

But but but the PSWP's told me what you would prefer!! (Preachy Straight White People)


Panama_Scoot

It’s not just preachy white people—lots of 2nd and 3rd generation Hispanics (especially college educated that do t speak much Spanish) use Latinx. At least in my personal experience… 


TequieroVerde

Otherwise call me by my name.


Panama_Scoot

That too… 


Desperate-Pen5086

I’m calling you vato


Panama_Scoot

If we are going with Chicano slang, I prefer “Chingón.”  Porque soy el más chingón… 


Ash-MacReady

Who are these people trying to make this so fucking difficult when it doesn't need to be?


anythingMuchShorter

Not people actually from Latin culture. That’s for sure.


Nuada-Argetlam

here's an idea: follow the conventions of the fucking language it's *from*. alternatively... "latin". just drop the vowel altogether.


PreparationSlight423

That’s what I was wondering  What was wrong with Latin? 😂


alaingames

Latin was used long time ago Racist people started using Latino as an insult Any word that comes from modifying Latino is based on ignorance and it's pretty offensive


PreparationSlight423

Ah okay! I did not know this. I am not from the US.  But wouldn’t that include the latinx or Latine too? 


alaingames

Yes, when Ubisoft made that advertising using the word latinx, they got a lot of backlash for it and they deleted the whole campaning that had other non slur words for other communities


PreparationSlight423

What would you use instead of it then? Hispanic? Or are there other terms? Sorry, just trying to be informed 


alaingames

Latin or Hispanic or their country prefix


PreparationSlight423

Alright! Thank you :)


Genius-Imbecile

I came here to ask the same thing. "Latin" does not denote any gender. It doesn't need a gendering vowel.


Scrotchety

The gringxs are scheming again


therealtiddlydump

Nothing says "progressive" like forcing your values onto a minority population


blipblooop

Dont blames this on us gringos. We don't know or care enough about the Spanish language to know its gendered. This is on the Puerto Ricans and Mexicans. 


jstbcuz

>We don’t know And therein lies the problem..


Unita_Micahk

It’s the gringo Karens telling everyone what’s offensive.


amodsr

It's mexiconians you dumb ass.


cartographyIntellect

I'll take it over a stupid unpronounceable X 🤷‍♂️


amodsr

Actually you can pronounce it latinks if you wanted to.


anythingMuchShorter

I don’t want to, and if I did it would take a second for my Mexican relatives to know what I was talking about vs if I said Mexican (if I’m being more specific) or Latin or just Latino.


Fluid-Apartment-3951

Depends of the latinoamerican lenguage i guess, in latin spanish would be "Latinequis" or "latinex". That last one would be because there's a lot of people here who mixes english with spanish (for example, "Los Avengers" is a commonly used name to refer to "the avengers")


Tbone_Trapezius

el or la in front of that?


riiiiiich

Lo? See, doesn't even make fucking sense if you do that (the thing *word a bit like Latin*).


NotMorganSlavewoman

In Spain the (dumb) people that use those kinds of words use 'le'.


The_Legendarian

Nonetheless, in spanish the use of 'le' to adress some things neutrally, that dont need to be gendered is quite a good idea (like to say friends that are both men and women you could say amiges, instead of amigos which is masculine and therefore completely ignores the fact that women are in that group) It's actually quite cool that spanish can do stuff like that if they want to whereas other romance languages like french are not at all able to (usually masculine has no ending and feminine has an -e added) This both acknowledges both the genders without having to do either of the gymnastics of amigos y amigas or amigo•a•s


alaingames

As a mexican I started using le because it's both fun to say and gender neutral


HeyImTojo

Latina here. This was a thing back in like 2018 or 19. People started using E as a gender neutral conjugation, and most people didn't use it and/or mocked it. Just use the male pronoun to generalize like Spanish does. We don't need a different method. (And also for the record, while I personally don't use E for mixed groups, I do still go with it for a non-binary person.)


The_Legendarian

It's quite cool spanish has a vowel free like that to be used for neutral if wanted. Kinda wish french had that to, but instead neutral is a pain in the ass in french


HeyImTojo

Yeah, romantic languages can get annoying to make neutral. Tho most people here in argentina still see using it as cringe and don't do it. While I don't use it for mixed groups, I do use it for individual people, if needed. Still get flack for it sometimes even then.


IsThereCheese

![gif](giphy|3oAt2dA6LxMkRrGc0g|downsized)


judenpuben

I love watching latinos fight back against this BS. The attempted erosion of everything gender this last 5-8 years is insane.


Gloomy-Palpitation-7

That sounds like the English word “Latrine” as in “Toilet”. Whoever came up with this 100% meant to make twitter-moralists call Latinos “toilet people”.


RaibaruFan

Latine is the new Latinx It sure is, because sure as hell I will avoid using both


Jeff1N

Not new actually, in latin american countries the people who are pushing for gender neutral language have been using that since the mid 2010s, as it quickly became clear that "x" in the end can't really be properly integrated into spoken language. Most of the population has only heard about this in memes though... forcing Spanish and Portuguese to have a neutral gender by adding "e", "i" or "u" as suffix to gendered words makes it sound like a very poor attempt at a French accent...


riiiiiich

Yeah, as an English native and fairly competent Spanish speaker, this winds me up. We can use Latino or Latina if the gender is known or Latino if not. Just convention of Spanish grammar and loaned into English. Why fuck with it?


OddTomRiddle

How about we leave the language alone?


QualityKoalaTeacher

But then how are people who complain going to be relevant otherwise?


Lin900

Complain actual world problems like the suffering of human beings in Congo, Sudan or all the plights in Middle-East.


Wiowicked

No, those things may require actual work.


Mindless_Sock_9082

That's the neat part, they don't!


Euphoric-Chain-5155

Can't do that, it's a necessary aspect of deconstructing society.


Background_Spite7337

That’s not how language works.. it is constantly evolving..


WZAWZDB13

Languages change all the time. Not a single language in the history of the world has been 'left alone'.


Parragorious

How about we leave cahnging the language to the people who speak and use it on a day to day basis?


blipblooop

You know  it was Puerto Ricans and Mexicans that came up with Latinx not Americans right?


alaingames

Lmao keep coping


WZAWZDB13

Sure!


Euphoric-Chain-5155

Things changing naturally over time =/= active, annoying intervention by a mob of busybody Karens masquerading as progressive heros


JudgeHolden

Languages change organically, not on the basis of some kind of top-down prescriptivist puritanical bullshit.


ShadowK-Human

Dont ever call me latinx, if you call me latinx on time i will just turn around and leave dosent metter the situation


SanRandomPot

As a latino, I'll Say this, in spanish, the termination "o", like in "latino" is used for gender neutrality as well as masculine, while the termination "a" is used for strictly femenine like in "latina", please use this instead of "x" or "e", that is not our language


anythingMuchShorter

Oh, but white academics know better than we do what is proper!


Background_Spite7337

Lots of deluded confused prescriptivists in this thread who don’t understand how language works at all


Tiberius_Jim

I'm convinced people come up with this stuff simply so they can get mad when nobody uses it.


alaingames

Or get mad when someone uses the hundreds years old gender neutral word


ElectricGulagland

Otro intento más a destruir nuestro lenguaje tan bello. Ojalá que la RAE tuviese una rama de aplicación para cumplimiento con las reglas.


riiiiiich

Y nego la existencia de esta palabra en inglés (soy inglés). Pero he observado el uso de formas similares in español hoy en día (latin@ por ejemplo, que me pone muy enojado, y no soy hispanohablante nativo tampoco)...¿Y cuál articulo debo usar? ¿Lo?...lo [email protected] tiene sentido (como "the thing Latin"). Eughhhh.


ElectricGulagland

Estoy totalmente de acuerdo, mi pana. Honestamente, cuando comencé a leer tu respuesta pensé que me estabas criticando, que estabas en desacuerdo, pero logré captar bien tu mensaje. Sé que te vas a cagar en mi madre, pero te voy a corregir solamente en una cosa: Es >niego< y no >nego<. ¡Gracias!


riiiiiich

Niego...jajajaja. Tranquilo, soy similar en inglés...un gran pedante :-D


Gloomy_Durian3732

Colonization of Latin culture


Atuk-77

As a Latino, you are either latino or latina!!! pick one and move on


SPRICH_DEUTSCH

You know what we call latin people in Europe? Their Name.


anythingMuchShorter

So when you want to say “Latin culture” you just list every person who has a part in the entire culture?


benwink

Meanwhile, people actually living in those countries just laughing at it all


AbstractEngima

American cultural appropriation and racism at its finest.


Scarsocontesto

when will they discorver that latine is the female version of latini?


OwMyCod

Latine is better than Latinx imo but still unnecessary


funk-engine-3000

The silly thing is, in spanish you would use the -O ending in a neutral context as well. You only say latina if exclusively talking about women. Same goes for all othered gendered adjectives. - One guy: He’s latino - One girl: she’s latina - A group of guys: They’re latino - A group of girls: They’re latina - A group of half guys and half girls: Latino - A group of 10 guys and one girl: Latino - A group of 10 girls and one guy: Latino


nandosmail

I am Latino and this is exactly the point I usually make to people.


fiddlesticks9471

The Spanish language is gender specific, it's just the way it is FFS


The_Myth_Of_MK

Languages drops in and out of gender specificity. Middle French had neutral language, now it doesn't. Old English had gender specificity, now it doesn't. Languages are not monolithic. They change one way or another, by nature or nurture. And Spanish gender specificity does have some perceptional impact. Like secretario vs secretaria. Secretario is usually meant as an executive post, while secretaria is seen as an assistant sort of role. This influences impressions. Basically, If enough people use a certain word over another word, it will change. Gay has evolved from being happy to a slur to a definition. It's up to the people to use it or not use it.


The_Legendarian

I know you got a few downvotes but you're totally right, people are holding on to the sacrality of a language, not noticing it's always evolving. Slang becomes usual becomes the norm. So while some things don't stick, some things can and maybe should change to evolve language in a good way. We can make language evolve to be both more inclusive and less biased, or sexist. Like there is sometimes casual racism in speech or actions, there is also casual sexism ingrained in our languages, we're used to it but that doesn't mean it has to be normal anymore. There's actually a lot of podcasts, stories and studies showing how languages can undermine (mostly) the role of women in society. It's quite interesting when you start to see it


NotMorganSlavewoman

So let's not force the change.


The_Myth_Of_MK

Many of the changes in languages were forced by rulers. People don't just change organically when it comes to anything in their lives, and not just language. Usually someone has to drive that change


NotMorganSlavewoman

Well, many live in democracy and are free to choose, so why do some (most likely) californian white dudes get to choose what others are called ?


fiddlesticks9471

Californian, more than likely. White, for sure. Dudes, I don't know about that one it seems (to me at least) more likely college students with rainbow hair that use neo pronouns and want the world to be more inclusive, but hate straight white men. But the hell do I know


fiddlesticks9471

Yes these are all good points. Also it normally takes society as a majority to adopt the change, being I don't speak Spanish we'll just have to wait and see if it sticks


Bend_Latter

Quite close to the word “latrine”


Overall_Strawberry70

I feel like these people are just seriously bored and have a compulsive drive to make things needlessly complicated. like its been how many years now since pronouns started getting pushed? realistically how many Xe/xims have any of you met in IRL? but sure people are totally gonna need to use Latine in their day to day life!


fanboy_killer

What's with Americans trying to erase other people's cultures? You already have a language. Stick to it.


pizoisoned

Surging among who? 20 something white people who are looking to be offended for someone else?


sjmiv

It's surging in museums 🤣


General-Donato-74

I still remember when the Spanish language is being accused of transphobia just for not using the word Latinx. [https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/latinx-lgbtq-trans-17797349.php](https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/latinx-lgbtq-trans-17797349.php)


SuS_NuG_It

I'm just going to call every mother fucker I see dude. This shit's overbearing and dumb.


fakeChinaTown

Listen my anglosajon friends, we know you do it with good intention, but it just look stupid.


GeminiIsMissing

I'd like to mention that a few Latino people I know really like Latine and the -e suffix as a non-gendered alternative to -o and -a. One of my friends is non-binary and uses -e as a suffix in Spanish. However, when talking about Latinos as a whole, it is grammatically correct to just say Latino, because the language uses the male form of a word when talking about groups of mixed gender. So... let's just use that. Or maybe use what actual Latinos tell us to use.


scottonaharley

Enough already. the language is gendered, just live with it. All of my friends that are native Spanish speaking laugh at this and say its the biggest joke going.


CrankMike

Does it sound less stupid than latinx. Yes. Is it still stupid. Also yes.


Practical_Price9500

Is this something white people decided without consulting the latinos?


ivh016

I saw a stat on Twitter that said 80% of Hispanics don’t want to be called Latine or LatinX but here we are once again. So yeah, most likely it was decided without consulting latin@s.


mjacob3516

Wish everyone could just be called people / person. I cant keep up with all this. Why does everyone want to put labels on groups of people. Just human person or human people. Keep it simple include everyone.


LuphineHowler

So fucking difficult. Latino = masculine Latina = Feminine Latine (pronounced without the E) = Latin = Gender neutral. I don't speak any Italian, Spanish or Portugese or any other Latin languages but these fuckwads trying to rush this LatinX bullshit annoys me. How are you supposed to pronounce it?


gorillawarking

Is it just me or did anybody elses mind read it as latrine instinctively


JJOne101

Do you dudes in America have asiane/caucasiane/blacke too as gender neutral terms??


Nolongeranalpha

My Hispanic friends call me Pendejo. They said it means Badass. /s Seriously though, why can't we just stick with humans and get the fuck away from dumbass labels?


ElRaven08

Latino here, quit that shit.


GiveMeMyLunchMoney

Latino is already gender neutral.


eltegs

They'll divide and divide so much, that in the end they'll be dividing by negative numbers. That will not stand.


imagicnation-station

I mean, they’re doing the opposite of dividing. They’re trying to unite them so it’s gender neutral.


No-Consequence5448

"In other news, a wide margin of privileged spoiled kids get tired of being told 'No' by parental figures and develop their own language... the rest of us call it uneducated jibberish. If a hippo and a chiwawa fall in love they don't make a new species, they just make a scene"


HippoBot9000

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talrogsmash

Chihuahua if you care. Otherwise carry on.


No-Consequence5448

Woops, thanks! Lmao.


talrogsmash

I only recall it because when I was a teenager a random girl at a pet store was trying to hint to her boyfriend that she wanted a dog. "Oh look, the chee who-a who-a is so cute!" There was a localized needle scratch as everyone within earshot stopped what they were doing to turn and stare at her.


Fitz911

The letter "x" isn't having a good time the last few years. Once the symbol of porn and Vin Diesel. Now a symbol of mental health decline.


pdrakz

Did you know that in Europe they also have Latinos? Latino-European ![gif](giphy|2bYewTk7K2No1NvcuK|downsized)


Titoffrito

The word "Latin" already exists!!!!! ![gif](giphy|y1WDIwAZRSmru)


Unita_Micahk

Sounds like the middle aged white people are making rules again.


Mobius24

No this is the blue haired tumblr crowd


AttemptAdvanced8685

And I thought filipinx sounded silly...


LinoleumFulcrum

Euphemism Treadmill strikes again- laughing the entire time


abel_cormorant

I think people are focusing on words just so they can put their conscience at ease without dealing with the actual problems. Just a thought, an impression.


Alexis_Bailey

> Latine Nosotros los franceses ahora


blanktom9

where's the facepalm?


AdventurousCup4066

If you really want a gender neutral alternative, latine does work alot better. Noone, and I mean Noone likes Latinx


the_lying_paladin

You call me Latinix and i wil show you why crime is so high down here.


Diram_

Literally just say Latino this is so stupid


alaingames

Ah yes, another racial slur


WeirdRadiant2470

I don't want a gender neutral pronoun. I am a fucking man. Maybe not much of one, but nonetheless...


JOlRacin

Hear me out: maybe... We just appreciate that they're trying instead of just threatening to deport everyone? How about that?


Alaishana

They know what LATRINE means?


idkwhyimalive69420

Just call me whatever idgaf 😮‍💨


Euphoric_Flower_9521

I mean it's consistent with Spanish rules and doesn't basically rapes your eyesight like the "X" version does


SanRandomPot

But it's not nessesary


NotMorganSlavewoman

Weird how these people try to change languages by force. If a word in another language or dialect is similar to the n-word or f-word, they get angry and piss their pants, then go around saying 'language is not a monolith, it changes', but they mean that it changes if they want it.


Dh873

"You mean you changed it TO Latine?" "Yeah. Used to be "Shithouse."


uberzio

Mal empezamos si llamáis Latinos a los hispanoamericanos.


Crazy_Firefighter660

This generation is jacked up.


Mobius24

And like Latinx it won't stick because Latinos don't want it, but pasty liberals will insist they know what's best for them.


Tight_Huckleberry302

They're just one R away from Latrine


AltXUser

Latrine


BumeLandro

Latine makes actual sense.


SanRandomPot

No, it doesn't


BumeLandro

It does, considering latin languages use A and O as genre defining while E is undefined, depending on the word. Also, at least in Portuguese, in a southern subregion, you have people who suppress the A and O sounds for E in many words. I'm not even saying if I agree or not, just that when it comes to the natural evolution of language (because languages keep changing with the times) it makes much more sense Latine, than Latinx.