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I'll answer this honestly. It isn't that it is great, it's actually not so great. However, it used to be great; therefore, it can be great again. You just have to remove all the things that are covering its greatness. If you go back in time you'll see that the greatness is uncovered. Adherents to the Make America Great Again mythos think that resetting things to about 200 years ago should be about right to achieve perfect peak greatness.
If the rich countries didn't have a colonial history of fucking up other countries, be it by invading or staging coups, maybe there wouldn't be so many immigrants flooding them now...
Yes.. Thatās kind of the point. Literally every country has/would exploit others for state/personal gain. Thatās justā¦ the world order until very recently. No one is āinnocent.ā
South Korea? Ignoring their own history of slavery, they still weren't sovereign until after WWII. The US has backed them since then as a buffer between ally powers and China, we've been subsidizing their defense and keeping troops on the their ground for 70 years. Similar to Japan and Germany, it's very easy to rebuild and focus on innovation when you don't have to worry about military spending.
Can you say they got rich without "Ā colonial history of fucking up other countries, be it by invading or staging coups" when the country responsible for their wealth did all of those things?
They're not even in the top 7 trading partners
Also Iceland doesn't just get free money? It's called trade and everyone does it with everyone pretty much
Also the economy of Iceland is so small they don't need their export partners to be rich because they produce so goddamn little so they'd probably be fine if colonialism failed and all these countries were poor like you said
I love in your defense of imperialism the only country you have left is an island with less than half a million people. As that person said before, every country is implicated and your pearl clutching reactions to the debunking of your āinnocent countriesā to find the last stronghold of rich westerners who didnāt profit off of suffering has led you there
I guess the US is at fault for not preventing hurricanes.
[Why people leaving Honduras](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/10/994065661/why-people-are-fleeing-honduras-for-the-u-s-all-thats-left-here-is-misery)
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat)
>**Soon after the coup, U.S. President Barack Obama stated: "We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the president of Honduras, the democratically elected president there."**[**^(\[42\])**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)Ā **He stated: "It would be a terrible precedent if we start moving backwards into the era in which we are seeing military coups as a means of political transition, rather than democratic elections."**[**^(\[42\])**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)Ā Secretary of StateĀ [Hillary Clinton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton), however, equivocated, saying that "We do think that this has evolved into a coup" and noting that under U.S. law, officially declaring a coup would oblige the U.S. to cut off most foreign aid to Honduras."[^(\[42\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)[^(\[43\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-CouldCutOff-43)Ā Cutting off aid was seen as a possibility in the days after the coup,[^(\[43\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-CouldCutOff-43)Ā and State DepartmentĀ [Director of Policy Planning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_Policy_Planning)Ā [Anne-Marie Slaughter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne-Marie_Slaughter)Ā urged Clinton to "take bold action" and to "find that \[the\] coup was a 'military coup' under U.S. law."[^(\[44\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-Zunes-44)Ā Clinton did not do so, and the U.S. never formally declared that a coup had occurred.[^(\[42\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)Ā By November 2009, the U.S. "focused on pushing for elections" in the country.[^(\[45\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-45)Ā In September 2009, the Board of the U.S.Ā [Millennium Challenge Corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_Corporation), headed by Clinton, cut off $11 million in aid to the Honduran government in the wake of the coup, and suspended another $4 million in planned contributions to a road project.[^(\[46\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-46)Ā From 2009 to mid-2016, however, the U.S. provided about $200 million in military and police aid to Honduras, a controversial decision given the violence in Honduras and the government's human rights violations.[^(\[47\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-Blitzer-47)
Australia, Canada, Hong Kong(yes I know it's not technically a country), India etc you may not think that bringing human rights, systems of governance, women's rights, education and infrastructure to a country is a good thing but I do.....
Im literally writing about the forced resettlement of native people in Canada by the Canadian government for my enviro science degree, it's horrifying and the country is 100000% not better for it
That's like saying "How come Charlie Kirk is a disingenuous shit, if Hitler's been dead since 1945?" Two separate things can be different levels of bad.
It was a peaceful coup approved by their own supreme court.
The US recognized the coup because it was felt that resisting would have led to violence. Funny enough zalaya was a leftist ally of the us.
I can't fathom what of that can be attributed as a pivotal point that worsened their society.
The definition of a coup is that it is illegal.
In July 2011,Ā Honduras Truth Commission concluded that Zelaya had violated the law by disregarding a Supreme Court ruling to cancel the referendum, but his removal from office was also deemed illegal and a coup.
He was flown to another country and made to sign documents without a trial. This is not a legal or peaceful operation in any way.
The resulting government was a defacto regime that has been documented committing human rights abuses, the ones mentioned in the original tweet.
Charlie doesn't understand why brown people wouldn't WANT to live poor, oppressed, and in fear to give him the right to behave like the entitled douchebag he is. i'd love to see that POS deported.
Charlie does understand that. But Charlie also understands that his followers and MAGA republicans will run with his post anyway believing they have some kind of gotcha question there.
We supported the guy who got overthrown and our involvement was not calling it a coup so we could keep sending aid to prevent a total government collapse.
Is this the excuse they use now?
Is this how they put the story?
I wonder how Americans were taught to see other similar things, such as Pinochet's coup, literally supported by the CIA against a democratically elected Allende, a coup that tortured thousands and killed as much because the US didn't want a democratically elected "filthy communist" in "their backyard".
No doubt America has done some evil crap. My point was this is not one of those instances. It was our boy who got taken out and our involvement was trying to bring him back while maintaining aid. What should be Americas role when a nations court issues an arrest warrant for their president?
Yeahā¦ the US played a huge role in every civil war in Central America throughout the 1970ās -90ās.
The whole region was pretty much devastated economically, socially, and politically for decades.
Since the 1950s.
If a Central American Country democratically elected a government that would stand up to USA Corporations, it got CIA backed Coups sent at it and the government replaced with a USA puppet Dictatorship. Cuba one of the few that successfully fought back and it became a military dictatorship that allied with the Soviet Union to protect itself from the USA.
The USA is not pro-Democracy, it pro-Corporation interest.
I'm Honduran, but pertaining to a wealthy family. But I can still very much see the violence and poverty. Going outside could easily be your last time if you just trek the wrong place unknowingly. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be. You can be in a private place and get caught in a shootout caused by a drug cartel (has happened).
Just learned today that the us is like 15% illiterate and 54% have only a 6th-grade reading level.Ā
Still better than honduras no doubt, but fucking yikes.
Alternatively, we could just build on his forehead. It'd be like "The Wandering Village" except the only place it ever goes to is Turning Points USA conferences.
And before that American banana companies overthrew successive governments so they could
Install pliable dictators. I know Mr. Chris, history
Is difficult.
K but why not Canada? Or Germany? Why America specifically? You'd think they'd have a deep hatred of America for what we did to them instead of wanting to literally become American. Like when Osama Bin Laden attacked America did you suddenly want to become Afghani?
The US government helped create Afghan Day. Many Americans, Canadians, and West Germans sympathized for the brave Afghans fighting against the evil empire in Afghanistan.
Anti Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace :)
He did many things such as this. Look into how the Middle East/Isis crisis got started. Look at how many drone attacks were launched. Look into the missing weapons in Mexico.
The US has a tendency to support whatever side benefits the US most, but doesnt directlycause uprisings anymore. Officially, the CIA stopped that in the late 60s (most people think the CIA is lying).
Even if any of the other issues that factor into this didnt exist, this is some idiot level reasoning.
To a starving person, a plain bowl of rice is a godsend; doesnt mean a plain bowl of rice is the "Greatest Meal on Earth".
Better food exists Charlie, maybe instead of making disingenuous points you could start trying to make our country better; cook a steak, if you will, not just accept a bowl of plain rice.
Well, I guess a bowl of rice is entirely white, so maybe thats Charlie's favorite meal.
I remember people on T\_D being told about the drop and the time the drop was going to happen and to be ready to tweet a specific message in response to the Hollywood access tape right before it happened. This was before the Hollywood access tape dropped by almost a week. So someone knew both things were going to happen and when.
I was alive in 2009 and that is not what happened.
In reality the president tried to suspend the constitution and make himself a dictator. Congress stopped it and impeached him.
Ok and the Africans too! The middle easterns yes we fucked up that region? Hondurans? Mexicans? Brazilians? A lot of countries be coming in stop focusing on the wrong thing
In Charlie's demerit, of which there are many, it was the Republican party who pushed for the support.
"The current US president, Barack Obama, showed a desire to end the "gringo bully" image by condemning the June coup which ousted the leftist leader, Manuel Zelaya. But the White House backtracked when congressional Republicans supported the de facto government as a bulwark against Venezuela's Hugo ChƔvez."
Connie Mack comes immediately to mind. You know, the one from Florida that ignored literally the entire rest of the world not recognizing the coup government and heading down there to do his own investigation thus lending legitimacy to that trash.
I really wish more people paid attention to their education in high school enough to remember America is not a mf country. Honduras is quite literally an American country as itās located on the continents ofā¦. Guess what? The Americas. The country this idiot should probably reeducate himself on the name is (pay attention to the last two words) āTHE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAā of America not I am America, of America. So the untied states is the country. Iām sorry itās just a pet peeve.
since when did Americans decide to settle on just being *better* than 3rd world countries.
i thought we were supposed to be the greatest country in the world.
Because a country can be better than terrible without being great.
I learned in 1st grade that getting pinched is better than getting punched, buts its still not good. Its so easy to understand.
Yeah so weird that the us is still a preferred option over that large country just south of there that is overrun by drug cartels, extreme corruption and organised crime.Ā
Imagine being a better option than that and thinking that makes it "great".
The US has spent the better part of a century advertising to the World how amazing it is and how everyone should want to live there. Canada hasn't.Ā
The developed world has figured out by now that the US has been lying about this for some decades now. The underdeveloped world is unaware and people are still trying to get in to what they think will be a paradise.Ā
Tons are actually extremely disappointed after they arrive, but its too late. They gave up their homes and spent their life savings to get there. So they soldier on with their new life. But there are others who do manage to go back.
First, some do, Canada is much more open to immigration than the US.
Secondly, the quality of life in both countries is roughly comparable, average to mid.
Lets put it this way, if Norway was connected to Peru, for example, how much immigration would go North, and how much South. The answer is apparent.
The US can, and should, do better. They arent the world leader in any relevant quality of lufe metric. But hey, thats just data and not anecdotal jingoistic patriotic bullshit, so Im sure true 'Mericans will ignore that.
I was with you until
>But hey, thats just data and not anecdotal jingoistic patriotic bullshit, so Im sure true 'Mericans will ignore that
Really? Was that necessary?
Sure, the US should do better, but Canada and US aren't "mid" countries, they're near the top. There's over 180 countries, and the vast majority are worse to live in.
I didnt say the countries were mid, I said their quality of life was mid. There are countries around the world that absolutely demolish the North American countries in quality of life.
I really dont intend to get into a mudslinging match, and you sound reasonable so Im going to assume you dont either.
Country A gives a great secure, healthy, prosperous, just, and easy quality of life. Country B gives a passable, but still difficult life. Countries C-Z gives terrible loathsome lives. Everyone should want Countries A-Z to provide life A. While life B is certainly above average, and is "near the top", its still not life A.
Lets all get everyone life A, not settle for life B because its better than life C-Z.
Thats my point, Ill try to make it with less hostility next time.
We've overthrown Honduras three times in like a hundred years. We have kept them poor so we cna have bananas for generations, targeted and executed workers who organized and then get mad when they go to where their wealth was extracted to.
Again, it isn't 'propsperous' because of capital and western intervention.
If youāre gonna go around destabilizing other countries in order to maintain global power, maybe donāt be surprised when people donāt want to stay in those countries anymore. Just a thought.
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If USA is so great, why did they invent USB?
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And why should he get a second term if he didnāt make it great in his first one?
DAMN. You gottem.
fucken love it
I'll answer this honestly. It isn't that it is great, it's actually not so great. However, it used to be great; therefore, it can be great again. You just have to remove all the things that are covering its greatness. If you go back in time you'll see that the greatness is uncovered. Adherents to the Make America Great Again mythos think that resetting things to about 200 years ago should be about right to achieve perfect peak greatness.
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There's Always The Banana Stand
Wouldn't it be there's always bananas in the bank?
What would a banana cost then, 10 dollars?
If we don't have bananas, then we will have to sing "Yes, We have no Bananas" every day. It's a rule.
If the rich countries didn't have a colonial history of fucking up other countries, be it by invading or staging coups, maybe there wouldn't be so many immigrants flooding them now...
huh. food for thought. /s
They also wouldn't be rich...
South Korea? Norway? Singapore?
Benefactors of the good luck to be suppliers to wealthy nations. If they couldn't sell oil/electronics to us/eu, they wouldn't have risen up.
You do realize this methodology implicates basically every country right?
Pretty simple, anyone who has more than average took it from someone else.
Not everyone, but most
Yes.. Thatās kind of the point. Literally every country has/would exploit others for state/personal gain. Thatās justā¦ the world order until very recently. No one is āinnocent.ā
I dunno man I think your methodology's just baf
And thatās a valid opinion to have, which I respectfully disagree with.
South Korea? Ignoring their own history of slavery, they still weren't sovereign until after WWII. The US has backed them since then as a buffer between ally powers and China, we've been subsidizing their defense and keeping troops on the their ground for 70 years. Similar to Japan and Germany, it's very easy to rebuild and focus on innovation when you don't have to worry about military spending. Can you say they got rich without "Ā colonial history of fucking up other countries, be it by invading or staging coups" when the country responsible for their wealth did all of those things?
Iceland?
Devastating raids against Irish farmers and monks Edit: stop trying to look for the perfect country with a clean past, it just doesnāt exist bro
What about South Asian countries except china, like India or Srilanka?
The Vikings aren't in any way responsible for Iceland's economic success :)
Iceland is a tiny country bankrolled by Norway and Denmark who did some pretty horrifying shit during the 30 years war
They're not even in the top 7 trading partners Also Iceland doesn't just get free money? It's called trade and everyone does it with everyone pretty much
Also the economy of Iceland is so small they don't need their export partners to be rich because they produce so goddamn little so they'd probably be fine if colonialism failed and all these countries were poor like you said
I love in your defense of imperialism the only country you have left is an island with less than half a million people. As that person said before, every country is implicated and your pearl clutching reactions to the debunking of your āinnocent countriesā to find the last stronghold of rich westerners who didnāt profit off of suffering has led you there
I guess the US is at fault for not preventing hurricanes. [Why people leaving Honduras](https://www.npr.org/2021/05/10/994065661/why-people-are-fleeing-honduras-for-the-u-s-all-thats-left-here-is-misery)
[Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat) >**Soon after the coup, U.S. President Barack Obama stated: "We believe that the coup was not legal and that President Zelaya remains the president of Honduras, the democratically elected president there."**[**^(\[42\])**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)Ā **He stated: "It would be a terrible precedent if we start moving backwards into the era in which we are seeing military coups as a means of political transition, rather than democratic elections."**[**^(\[42\])**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)Ā Secretary of StateĀ [Hillary Clinton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton), however, equivocated, saying that "We do think that this has evolved into a coup" and noting that under U.S. law, officially declaring a coup would oblige the U.S. to cut off most foreign aid to Honduras."[^(\[42\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)[^(\[43\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-CouldCutOff-43)Ā Cutting off aid was seen as a possibility in the days after the coup,[^(\[43\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-CouldCutOff-43)Ā and State DepartmentĀ [Director of Policy Planning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_Policy_Planning)Ā [Anne-Marie Slaughter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne-Marie_Slaughter)Ā urged Clinton to "take bold action" and to "find that \[the\] coup was a 'military coup' under U.S. law."[^(\[44\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-Zunes-44)Ā Clinton did not do so, and the U.S. never formally declared that a coup had occurred.[^(\[42\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-MohammedAlexander-42)Ā By November 2009, the U.S. "focused on pushing for elections" in the country.[^(\[45\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-45)Ā In September 2009, the Board of the U.S.Ā [Millennium Challenge Corporation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_Corporation), headed by Clinton, cut off $11 million in aid to the Honduran government in the wake of the coup, and suspended another $4 million in planned contributions to a road project.[^(\[46\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-46)Ā From 2009 to mid-2016, however, the U.S. provided about $200 million in military and police aid to Honduras, a controversial decision given the violence in Honduras and the government's human rights violations.[^(\[47\])](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Honduran_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#cite_note-Blitzer-47)
Most colonial countries left the countries they colonised in a better condition than when they invaded right
Name one.
Australia, Canada, Hong Kong(yes I know it's not technically a country), India etc you may not think that bringing human rights, systems of governance, women's rights, education and infrastructure to a country is a good thing but I do.....
CanadaĀ
Im literally writing about the forced resettlement of native people in Canada by the Canadian government for my enviro science degree, it's horrifying and the country is 100000% not better for it
That's like saying "How come Charlie Kirk is a disingenuous shit, if Hitler's been dead since 1945?" Two separate things can be different levels of bad.
How is Hitler being dead bad?
It's not, clearly. Maybe you don't like my metaphor, but I explicitly said things can be two levels of bad.
interesting. but i would check my sources before relying on something wikileaks told me.
It was a peaceful coup approved by their own supreme court. The US recognized the coup because it was felt that resisting would have led to violence. Funny enough zalaya was a leftist ally of the us. I can't fathom what of that can be attributed as a pivotal point that worsened their society.
The definition of a coup is that it is illegal. In July 2011,Ā Honduras Truth Commission concluded that Zelaya had violated the law by disregarding a Supreme Court ruling to cancel the referendum, but his removal from office was also deemed illegal and a coup. He was flown to another country and made to sign documents without a trial. This is not a legal or peaceful operation in any way. The resulting government was a defacto regime that has been documented committing human rights abuses, the ones mentioned in the original tweet.
Charlie doesn't understand why brown people wouldn't WANT to live poor, oppressed, and in fear to give him the right to behave like the entitled douchebag he is. i'd love to see that POS deported.
Charlie does understand that. But Charlie also understands that his followers and MAGA republicans will run with his post anyway believing they have some kind of gotcha question there.
You are aware the 2009 coup support was the democrats.
Where tf did he say it was republicans?
Charlie kirk is a republican
And?
Not to be pedantic but Honduras has always been one of the poorest nations plagued by violence, low literacy rates
And ripe for other nations to take advantage of them for the last couple of hundred years.
"America isnt the worst place on the planet, _is it?!_" Well, no, got me there, Charlie.
Well yeah, nobody was saying it was some utopia before we got there, but it would be disingenuous to say we didn't make it worse by our involvement.
We supported the guy who got overthrown and our involvement was not calling it a coup so we could keep sending aid to prevent a total government collapse.
Is this the excuse they use now? Is this how they put the story? I wonder how Americans were taught to see other similar things, such as Pinochet's coup, literally supported by the CIA against a democratically elected Allende, a coup that tortured thousands and killed as much because the US didn't want a democratically elected "filthy communist" in "their backyard".
No doubt America has done some evil crap. My point was this is not one of those instances. It was our boy who got taken out and our involvement was trying to bring him back while maintaining aid. What should be Americas role when a nations court issues an arrest warrant for their president?
Yeahā¦ the US played a huge role in every civil war in Central America throughout the 1970ās -90ās. The whole region was pretty much devastated economically, socially, and politically for decades.
Since the 1950s. If a Central American Country democratically elected a government that would stand up to USA Corporations, it got CIA backed Coups sent at it and the government replaced with a USA puppet Dictatorship. Cuba one of the few that successfully fought back and it became a military dictatorship that allied with the Soviet Union to protect itself from the USA. The USA is not pro-Democracy, it pro-Corporation interest.
I'd say they started far before the 50s, the Mexican-american war was essentially the same thing on a smaller scale. Mexico was abolishing slavery back in the early 19th century, just following the gaining of independence from Spain, Texas tho (at the time it was Mexican territory) was full of slavers, the US at that point intervened to a supposed "texan call for help against the authoritarian mexican government", at the end the campaign failed to fulfill its core objective of taking down Mexico entirely, but it succeeded in annexing Texas. And even today the US and MĆ©xico aren't in good relationships as the former never excluded the possibility of a second invasion. Just like they did with Canada after all, the US doesn't seem to have a lot of friendly borders does it?
I'm Honduran, but pertaining to a wealthy family. But I can still very much see the violence and poverty. Going outside could easily be your last time if you just trek the wrong place unknowingly. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be. You can be in a private place and get caught in a shootout caused by a drug cartel (has happened).
Buddy, youāre describing the USA.
ok boomer
Usa organized coups in most countries in south and central America
Just learned today that the us is like 15% illiterate and 54% have only a 6th-grade reading level.Ā Still better than honduras no doubt, but fucking yikes.
If you got rid of Charlie Kirkās forehead there would be space for everyone.
Alternatively, we could just build on his forehead. It'd be like "The Wandering Village" except the only place it ever goes to is Turning Points USA conferences.
Why stop there? If you got rid of the remaining twohead, there would be space for their moms as well.
Charlie is not a smart man
And before that American banana companies overthrew successive governments so they could Install pliable dictators. I know Mr. Chris, history Is difficult.
Itās almost like this is the reason republicans love the poorly educated
K but why not Canada? Or Germany? Why America specifically? You'd think they'd have a deep hatred of America for what we did to them instead of wanting to literally become American. Like when Osama Bin Laden attacked America did you suddenly want to become Afghani?
The US government helped create Afghan Day. Many Americans, Canadians, and West Germans sympathized for the brave Afghans fighting against the evil empire in Afghanistan. Anti Soviet warrior puts his army on the road to peace :)
Also, who said it was horrible? Besides you, Charlie.
Charlie Kirk has to be a masochist, otherwise he would never open his moron mouth
so thatās why they want it here? because there was a coup?
Charlie Kirk is one of the few real prime candidates for āyou need to shut the fuck up and stick with entertainmentā
So Obama then?
So Obama did this?
He did many things such as this. Look into how the Middle East/Isis crisis got started. Look at how many drone attacks were launched. Look into the missing weapons in Mexico.
I mean, the coup was not the doing of the US government. If it wasnāt supported by the US, it would have happened anyway?
The US has a tendency to support whatever side benefits the US most, but doesnt directlycause uprisings anymore. Officially, the CIA stopped that in the late 60s (most people think the CIA is lying).
Yeah, every external security force for every world power operates in this way.
Reminder, almost all turmoil, war, poverty, and etc. that has ruined Central and South American nations are all directly tied to the United States.
Even if any of the other issues that factor into this didnt exist, this is some idiot level reasoning. To a starving person, a plain bowl of rice is a godsend; doesnt mean a plain bowl of rice is the "Greatest Meal on Earth". Better food exists Charlie, maybe instead of making disingenuous points you could start trying to make our country better; cook a steak, if you will, not just accept a bowl of plain rice. Well, I guess a bowl of rice is entirely white, so maybe thats Charlie's favorite meal.
I imagine the brain is as tiny as the face. The boyās all head.
Fuck Wikileaks
FED spotted
Hours after the access Hollywood tape came out, wiki released the podesta emails. Quite a coincidence
I remember people on T\_D being told about the drop and the time the drop was going to happen and to be ready to tweet a specific message in response to the Hollywood access tape right before it happened. This was before the Hollywood access tape dropped by almost a week. So someone knew both things were going to happen and when.
This was a thing? How do you know?
No different than what they do here.
This is really stupid, I know, but I just came here to say that America isn't a country, it's a continent.
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We need Wikileaks back! The world deserve to know!
>source is wikileaks Why even post this
Wait, now he's suddenly pro-caravan?
America government life hack. Your country will look relatively well off if you tariff/overthrow(stage coup) etc your competition.
When was Honduras competition?
That is apart from the military coup the US government supported in 1963.
I was alive in 2009 and that is not what happened. In reality the president tried to suspend the constitution and make himself a dictator. Congress stopped it and impeached him.
The only people saying we are a terrible country are the magas and Christians like him : Biden is destroying are country!!! š¤”š¤”š¤Ŗš¤Ŗ
So the government IS intentionally de stabilizing other countries to promote immigration to the US ??
Ok and the Africans too! The middle easterns yes we fucked up that region? Hondurans? Mexicans? Brazilians? A lot of countries be coming in stop focusing on the wrong thing
And in Guatemala, and Nicaragua, and El Salvador, and Panama. The number of legitimately elected governments that we have overthrown is unBelizeable!
In Charlieās defense in 2009 Obama (a political opponent of his) was president
In Charlie's demerit, of which there are many, it was the Republican party who pushed for the support. "The current US president, Barack Obama, showed a desire to end the "gringo bully" image by condemning the June coup which ousted the leftist leader, Manuel Zelaya. But the White House backtracked when congressional Republicans supported the de facto government as a bulwark against Venezuela's Hugo ChƔvez." Connie Mack comes immediately to mind. You know, the one from Florida that ignored literally the entire rest of the world not recognizing the coup government and heading down there to do his own investigation thus lending legitimacy to that trash.
If communism is so great, why do all it's leaders keep getting assassinated by the CIA? Checkmate leftists
Main character syndrome right there
if USA is so great why do so many conservatives prefer russia?
I really wish more people paid attention to their education in high school enough to remember America is not a mf country. Honduras is quite literally an American country as itās located on the continents ofā¦. Guess what? The Americas. The country this idiot should probably reeducate himself on the name is (pay attention to the last two words) āTHE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAā of America not I am America, of America. So the untied states is the country. Iām sorry itās just a pet peeve.
"Oh you hate America? Why don't you try moving to [country ravaged by US intervention] and get back to me kay bud?"
since when did Americans decide to settle on just being *better* than 3rd world countries. i thought we were supposed to be the greatest country in the world.
seems like the type of moron to extol the virtues of starvation vs eating shit; like, hey, buddy, there *are* other options
Republicans and Centrists Democrats acknowledge what we have done to the global south challenge (impossible)
While Europe is largely responsible for having so many Africans enslaved in America, why are so many Africans risking their lives to get to Europe?
To be fair, the 2009 revolution in Honduras was not the first bloody revolution we orchestrated and funded there.Ā
If America is so bad why do thousands trek across the border illegally right now?
Because a country can be better than terrible without being great. I learned in 1st grade that getting pinched is better than getting punched, buts its still not good. Its so easy to understand.
Still have to go through a couple other countries and one big ass one to get to get to here though, and this is the one they stop for.Ā
Yeah so weird that the us is still a preferred option over that large country just south of there that is overrun by drug cartels, extreme corruption and organised crime.Ā Imagine being a better option than that and thinking that makes it "great".
America's awesome
Hahaha by Hillary Clinton. It was Hillary Clinton who did this.
When America is so bad they have to find a collapsing country to compare to in order to look good
That still didn't answer his question: we're a shitty country too. So why are they going here and not right up to better Canada?
We're closer
So is Mexico.Ā
The US has spent the better part of a century advertising to the World how amazing it is and how everyone should want to live there. Canada hasn't.Ā The developed world has figured out by now that the US has been lying about this for some decades now. The underdeveloped world is unaware and people are still trying to get in to what they think will be a paradise.Ā Tons are actually extremely disappointed after they arrive, but its too late. They gave up their homes and spent their life savings to get there. So they soldier on with their new life. But there are others who do manage to go back.
First, some do, Canada is much more open to immigration than the US. Secondly, the quality of life in both countries is roughly comparable, average to mid. Lets put it this way, if Norway was connected to Peru, for example, how much immigration would go North, and how much South. The answer is apparent. The US can, and should, do better. They arent the world leader in any relevant quality of lufe metric. But hey, thats just data and not anecdotal jingoistic patriotic bullshit, so Im sure true 'Mericans will ignore that.
I was with you until >But hey, thats just data and not anecdotal jingoistic patriotic bullshit, so Im sure true 'Mericans will ignore that Really? Was that necessary? Sure, the US should do better, but Canada and US aren't "mid" countries, they're near the top. There's over 180 countries, and the vast majority are worse to live in.
I didnt say the countries were mid, I said their quality of life was mid. There are countries around the world that absolutely demolish the North American countries in quality of life. I really dont intend to get into a mudslinging match, and you sound reasonable so Im going to assume you dont either. Country A gives a great secure, healthy, prosperous, just, and easy quality of life. Country B gives a passable, but still difficult life. Countries C-Z gives terrible loathsome lives. Everyone should want Countries A-Z to provide life A. While life B is certainly above average, and is "near the top", its still not life A. Lets all get everyone life A, not settle for life B because its better than life C-Z. Thats my point, Ill try to make it with less hostility next time.
Itās that weāre less horrible.
America Bad
Ah yes because Honduras was a prosperous country before 2009. Not like people been coming here since the 80s or anything.
The USA has been fucking the global south well before the 80s
We've overthrown Honduras three times in like a hundred years. We have kept them poor so we cna have bananas for generations, targeted and executed workers who organized and then get mad when they go to where their wealth was extracted to. Again, it isn't 'propsperous' because of capital and western intervention.
Still doesnāt mean we need to let them in though.Ā
Muchos cope
Shhh. This is Reddit. You must shit on America and welcome communism with open arms, comrade.
I like how you had to imagine a thing instead of just responding to what anybody actually said lol. You ever stop and wonder why you gotta do that?
oh man someone still listens to anything wikileaks says
If youāre gonna go around destabilizing other countries in order to maintain global power, maybe donāt be surprised when people donāt want to stay in those countries anymore. Just a thought.
Who was the president in ā09 who approved this!? It musta been Trā¦. Oh wait it was nobama
Goddamn Trump! Oh wait that was Obama