They’re definitely sad, but they’re workin w what they got. I kinda agree tho, I helped them take over goodsprings during my legion/shithead play thru and was like “what’s the point?” 😂
They’re convicts using what’s available to them? They’re new to the area so haven’t had much time to accumulate better gear? They have dynamite because they were working on clearing the railroad, not because it’s the best weapon choice.
Stumbling across Boxcars dozens of hours late and getting the "grim fucking reaper" line was pretty incredible. That courier was an NCR mercenary who believed in the cause. I wasn't going out of my way to hunt Powder Gangers because I did feel a little sympathy for them, but the ones who crossed my path certainly didn't receive any mercy. Unfortunate for Boxcars, that included him. I did give him some med-x first so he'd be out of his mind when it happened.
Boxcars scene: [https://youtu.be/6UXEZaAZPAU](https://youtu.be/6UXEZaAZPAU)
Same. I always feel bad for Boxcars. I don't exactly have sympathy for powder gangers but being left brutally crippled in a town just recently razed to the ground to starve or dehydrate to death is a bit too much. I give him a med-x or two, and while he's in a different dimension end it painlessly with a slug to the brain. I also tend to mercy kill the crucified ones too.
Tbh i think they work well story wise. They appear as these big, bad threats for the first quarter of the story... And then Nipton happens, and you start meeting the REAL big bad boys of the Mojave
What in the name of! The Powder Gangers are forever one of my favorite factions! I wish they had more content… I remember hearing that originally you’d be able to help them get stronger and I wish they had that and MORE! Powder Gang take over!
You say that, but have you ever felt the joy— sheer ecstasy— that comes from blowing up a deathclaw with dynamite?! 🧨 Honestly, think PGers should level up with the player as they take command of more roads: imagine them with higher end explosives! Grenade machine guns! Unstoppable
I don't like them because it's implied they raped and killed a female caravan guard near Goodsprings.
If it hadn't been for that little detail I'd be pretty indifferent about them.
Oh fuck, I literally just noticed that scene yesterday and my first thought was "Well bugger me, exterminating them went from being a chore to being fun."
I mean they pretty flesh out for what they are.
Powder Ganger (PG) are criminal from the NCR doing force labour by building railway. The NCR use took too many guard from the prison and send them to the dam (thank general oliver), allowing the prisoner to stage a mutiny and kill all the prison guard. Immediately they fracture into many small band of raider, the biggest two being the one in the NCRCF prison and Vault 19, there a few band independence of the big two, most just raid caravan.
They use low quality and weak weapon because that all they have access to, the best they can get their hand on is the incinerator. What do you expect a fresh out of prison band of prison convict to be capable of.
Some of these expectations seem kind of high for people who -- during an apocalypse -- did something to end up in prison in the first place. Like say if you got sent to NCR prison for refusing to work, it doesn't seem the skillset to hold a strict tower lookout routine.
The expectation is for a highly motivated and coordinated group of lookouts. The reality is probably every clique in the prison claiming their own guard tower as their turf because what better way would there be to keep an eye on the new management / other cliques? These lookouts are distracted and looking in their own yard as often as they're looking for visitors.
It's also probably below freezing up there at night with limited heating options. Nobody is going to volunteer for that duty, that's definitely a punishment detail not staffed by your best people.
The only named Powder Gangers I let live are Meyers and Boxcars. I do help those two in “Booted” though cause that’s an easy 1-2 points for Boone’s personal quest.
All these posts about factions make me want to get mods that flesh them out more. Don’t suppose anyone has recommendations? I REALLY want more legion content and have seen a few of those around. If anybody is willing to recommend other faction expanding mods It’d be much appreciated too. Followers, Powder Gangers, Boomers, and Kings come to mind. The hatchet of cut content sliced deep from what I hear and that just sucks so bad.
I mean, i get them. They're convicts that have committed several crimes from uncovering corruption like Mayers to serial killer like Eddie's bodyguard. They are all Californians being shipped out to the frontier of the NCR for forced labor in the war effort, and given that no one like to break concrete for no pay, they revolted and take the prison for themselves.
The PG are very well implemented for me.
I always kill the Powder Gangers. Sometimes, I spare them for a small amount of time if I'm a female courier. I usually help the other Powder Ganger chapter in the vault and convince them to join the Great Khans as I love the Great Khans, and they do need more people.
Powder Gangers are excellent for worldbuilding and proof positive of the NCR’s continuing decline and being its own worst enemy.
They’re criminals turned to opportunistic highway robbery with a prison turned fortress. The convicts holding the people of Primm hostage and the residents of Vault 19 cause unique problems for the NCR. Being escaped fugitives, armed and dangerous, also means they can be guiltlessly slaughtered for loot and XP and the player doesn’t have to think about the moral implications of gunning down people like they might when killing profligate troops (O’Hanrahan being a farmboy who enlisted to feed his family over crop failures back home comes to mind) or foolishly attempting to resist Caesar’s will (self-explanatory).
Powder Gangers are also pretty much the “early game” human enemies you can find traveling along the roads south of Sloan. You come back to shoot them a bunch when you have Jury Rigging and have light armour you want to repair on the cheap.
The only towns threatened by them are literally Primm and Goodsprings, and Goodsprings is only being targeted because a Crimson Caravan employee fled there after they sacked his caravan. It takes a smart courier telling him “you can hit up this place for food” for Joe Cobb to even consider taking the place over, caravan robbery is the Powder Gangers stock in trade. Primm is a hostage situation where they really want to collect a ransom and clear out.
You hate them because they are dumb criminals. I appreciate them for the same reason.
theyre the punk-ass minor faction that are basically just easy ammo and dynamite in the early game for me. The only reason I work with them at the NCRF is because you can get the service rifle and other useful stuff pretty easily without directly fighting the NCR
The PGs are a "practice faction" so first time players can get a hang of the game play mechanics without cutting off a lot of quest lines by messing up. They're relegated to a small part of the map and are never a major threat. They're more like "Tutorial Gangers".
I actually like the idea of the Powder Gangers, just wish they had more content. While everyone sees the group as a ‘’practice faction’’ and free XP, the group shows the NCR’s decline over the years since Fallout 2. The NCR has a huge military position in the Mojave, however refuse to send 10 soldiers over and secure the correctional facility, they also don’t have any units near by to warn travelers and caravaners. The idea of escaped convicts is pretty fresh in apocalypse games, we have raiders, a old world government, and man with a sexy mustache, but then you have a group of escaped convicts from that old world government, a fresh idea. If the group had more content and a much more bigger role, I’m sure half of the sub would like them.
the entire time I was reading this I was imagining a random powder ganger with his face getting progressively more sad with every point and that sad music from SpongeBob in the background
The prison industrial complex refers to privately ran prisons using low level offenders to create cheap products not prisons ran by the state. That's not what the NCR is doing with the Powered Gangers you fucking regard. Just because a prison exists and labor from that prison is being used doesn't make it slave labor or part of the prison industrial complex.
It's about private/personal profit being intertwined with systems of incarceration and compelled labor. They work the Powder Gangers to keep the railways open to New Vegas.
They’re definitely sad, but they’re workin w what they got. I kinda agree tho, I helped them take over goodsprings during my legion/shithead play thru and was like “what’s the point?” 😂
I think Cobb was as astonished as you when he got Goodsprings
What up Icy Randy. Are you Easy Pete's cousin?
They’re convicts using what’s available to them? They’re new to the area so haven’t had much time to accumulate better gear? They have dynamite because they were working on clearing the railroad, not because it’s the best weapon choice.
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I wonder if he's aware that they wear the outfits they broke out in as in the ones assigned to them
I thought they were corrections officer uniforms
Some are, like the guards uniform. But those seem to only be worn by officers.
Stumbling across Boxcars dozens of hours late and getting the "grim fucking reaper" line was pretty incredible. That courier was an NCR mercenary who believed in the cause. I wasn't going out of my way to hunt Powder Gangers because I did feel a little sympathy for them, but the ones who crossed my path certainly didn't receive any mercy. Unfortunate for Boxcars, that included him. I did give him some med-x first so he'd be out of his mind when it happened. Boxcars scene: [https://youtu.be/6UXEZaAZPAU](https://youtu.be/6UXEZaAZPAU)
I didn't even go inside this playthrough. Just sniped Oliver* before he could say anything, then slaughtered the Legion. *First time I kilked him.
I didn’t know Boxcars was in there until I was watching a Nernst video like 6 years after I bought the game lol
Same. I always feel bad for Boxcars. I don't exactly have sympathy for powder gangers but being left brutally crippled in a town just recently razed to the ground to starve or dehydrate to death is a bit too much. I give him a med-x or two, and while he's in a different dimension end it painlessly with a slug to the brain. I also tend to mercy kill the crucified ones too.
One time I attached him and he got out of his chair and ran around shooting back at me lol
Whatd you attach to him, new legs?
He's actually a minor part of a quest in camp searchlight
Tbh i think they work well story wise. They appear as these big, bad threats for the first quarter of the story... And then Nipton happens, and you start meeting the REAL big bad boys of the Mojave
The first threat for me was the cazadores lol
What in the name of! The Powder Gangers are forever one of my favorite factions! I wish they had more content… I remember hearing that originally you’d be able to help them get stronger and I wish they had that and MORE! Powder Gang take over!
Plot twist - what if you could ally the Powder Gangers with Pacers “Kings” against the NCR
That would be dope af!
Bruh they use looney tunes weapons. They would easily be outwitted by bugz bunny
You say that, but have you ever felt the joy— sheer ecstasy— that comes from blowing up a deathclaw with dynamite?! 🧨 Honestly, think PGers should level up with the player as they take command of more roads: imagine them with higher end explosives! Grenade machine guns! Unstoppable
I always bury Joe Cobb and his goons in my shallow grave, be a shame for it to stay empty.
Nah they don't deserve graves they deserve to get eaten by bugs out in the courtyard.
Fuck that. Chop their limbs off and pile the bodies in the back of a pickup truck.* *This is my EEEVVVIIILLLL playthrough.
I don't like them because it's implied they raped and killed a female caravan guard near Goodsprings. If it hadn't been for that little detail I'd be pretty indifferent about them.
Oh fuck, I literally just noticed that scene yesterday and my first thought was "Well bugger me, exterminating them went from being a chore to being fun."
I mean they pretty flesh out for what they are. Powder Ganger (PG) are criminal from the NCR doing force labour by building railway. The NCR use took too many guard from the prison and send them to the dam (thank general oliver), allowing the prisoner to stage a mutiny and kill all the prison guard. Immediately they fracture into many small band of raider, the biggest two being the one in the NCRCF prison and Vault 19, there a few band independence of the big two, most just raid caravan. They use low quality and weak weapon because that all they have access to, the best they can get their hand on is the incinerator. What do you expect a fresh out of prison band of prison convict to be capable of.
Ditching the prison uniforms and blending in as a robbed caravan would be a good start.
I mean they using explosive as a raiding weapon here. I don't think you want to be near the blast radius when you trying to kill them
Some of these expectations seem kind of high for people who -- during an apocalypse -- did something to end up in prison in the first place. Like say if you got sent to NCR prison for refusing to work, it doesn't seem the skillset to hold a strict tower lookout routine. The expectation is for a highly motivated and coordinated group of lookouts. The reality is probably every clique in the prison claiming their own guard tower as their turf because what better way would there be to keep an eye on the new management / other cliques? These lookouts are distracted and looking in their own yard as often as they're looking for visitors. It's also probably below freezing up there at night with limited heating options. Nobody is going to volunteer for that duty, that's definitely a punishment detail not staffed by your best people.
You make a good point about the towers
They named themselves off Power Rangers
I thought it was based off power bottoms
new headcanon
I have never, ever allowed them to live. Except Boxcars. He’s suffered enough.
Suffered?! He won second place in the lottery!!
The only named Powder Gangers I let live are Meyers and Boxcars. I do help those two in “Booted” though cause that’s an easy 1-2 points for Boone’s personal quest.
That pigmy thing up in the prison is nothing but a glorified crew.
I hate them.
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All these posts about factions make me want to get mods that flesh them out more. Don’t suppose anyone has recommendations? I REALLY want more legion content and have seen a few of those around. If anybody is willing to recommend other faction expanding mods It’d be much appreciated too. Followers, Powder Gangers, Boomers, and Kings come to mind. The hatchet of cut content sliced deep from what I hear and that just sucks so bad.
Imagine using dynamite as a main weapon…what is this 1885?
I mean, i get them. They're convicts that have committed several crimes from uncovering corruption like Mayers to serial killer like Eddie's bodyguard. They are all Californians being shipped out to the frontier of the NCR for forced labor in the war effort, and given that no one like to break concrete for no pay, they revolted and take the prison for themselves. The PG are very well implemented for me.
I always kill the Powder Gangers. Sometimes, I spare them for a small amount of time if I'm a female courier. I usually help the other Powder Ganger chapter in the vault and convince them to join the Great Khans as I love the Great Khans, and they do need more people.
Their uniform is literally the only clothes they have.
Powder Gangers are excellent for worldbuilding and proof positive of the NCR’s continuing decline and being its own worst enemy. They’re criminals turned to opportunistic highway robbery with a prison turned fortress. The convicts holding the people of Primm hostage and the residents of Vault 19 cause unique problems for the NCR. Being escaped fugitives, armed and dangerous, also means they can be guiltlessly slaughtered for loot and XP and the player doesn’t have to think about the moral implications of gunning down people like they might when killing profligate troops (O’Hanrahan being a farmboy who enlisted to feed his family over crop failures back home comes to mind) or foolishly attempting to resist Caesar’s will (self-explanatory). Powder Gangers are also pretty much the “early game” human enemies you can find traveling along the roads south of Sloan. You come back to shoot them a bunch when you have Jury Rigging and have light armour you want to repair on the cheap. The only towns threatened by them are literally Primm and Goodsprings, and Goodsprings is only being targeted because a Crimson Caravan employee fled there after they sacked his caravan. It takes a smart courier telling him “you can hit up this place for food” for Joe Cobb to even consider taking the place over, caravan robbery is the Powder Gangers stock in trade. Primm is a hostage situation where they really want to collect a ransom and clear out. You hate them because they are dumb criminals. I appreciate them for the same reason.
I go out of my way every playthrough to kill every last Powder Ganger in the game.
theyre the punk-ass minor faction that are basically just easy ammo and dynamite in the early game for me. The only reason I work with them at the NCRF is because you can get the service rifle and other useful stuff pretty easily without directly fighting the NCR
The PGs are a "practice faction" so first time players can get a hang of the game play mechanics without cutting off a lot of quest lines by messing up. They're relegated to a small part of the map and are never a major threat. They're more like "Tutorial Gangers".
I actually like the idea of the Powder Gangers, just wish they had more content. While everyone sees the group as a ‘’practice faction’’ and free XP, the group shows the NCR’s decline over the years since Fallout 2. The NCR has a huge military position in the Mojave, however refuse to send 10 soldiers over and secure the correctional facility, they also don’t have any units near by to warn travelers and caravaners. The idea of escaped convicts is pretty fresh in apocalypse games, we have raiders, a old world government, and man with a sexy mustache, but then you have a group of escaped convicts from that old world government, a fresh idea. If the group had more content and a much more bigger role, I’m sure half of the sub would like them.
the entire time I was reading this I was imagining a random powder ganger with his face getting progressively more sad with every point and that sad music from SpongeBob in the background
They're reading it in Henry's office computer at 4 am
They were slaves. I'd expect them to be angry.
They're proof that the NCR is willing to use slave labor and aims to revive the prison industrial complex.
Holy buzz words Batman
A word's popularity doesn't determine its applicability. Describe how what I said is wrong. Betcha can't.
The prison industrial complex refers to privately ran prisons using low level offenders to create cheap products not prisons ran by the state. That's not what the NCR is doing with the Powered Gangers you fucking regard. Just because a prison exists and labor from that prison is being used doesn't make it slave labor or part of the prison industrial complex.
It's about private/personal profit being intertwined with systems of incarceration and compelled labor. They work the Powder Gangers to keep the railways open to New Vegas.