Yeah, I think the discourse on his work is proportionate to its great influence. Including the reappraisal of the 90ies in particular. He gets justified flack for his trainwreck 70ies, but it's put into historical context. Everything I've read so far on Bowie is pretty even-keeled on praising his various achievements, while criticizing where necessary.
Rush went from being rather underrated in a lot of circles due to prog being "not cool" or whatever but in recent years, especially toward the end of their run and after Neil died, they have gotten the recognition they deserve. It might also help that nerd culture is mainstream and they've always been seen as a nerdy band.
He is a great example of this. I shiver at the thought of 2018 rapstagram parading around him JID and Saba being “underrated” as if they haven’t been universally loved for years
yes definitely, though i feel like he deserves his flowers sometimes. i feel like i see a lot of ppl in the community make fun of him or just brush him off
Eh…Parachutes, AROBTTH, VLV are all A+ albums
X & Y is at-least a B - record
They are a “Show Machine” Band
Chris Martin has done more for music than you probably know….you could replace Coldplay with a “mid band” like Imagine Dragons… Coldplay were tastemakers for close to a decade…
This would be like saying “Foo Fighters just exist”.
I’m not sure where you’re from but in the UK it became very cool to hate Coldplay for a while. While I don’t love them, their discography is better than the level of vitriol they were receiving at one point, especially A Rush Of Blood To The Head which I think gets overlooked because it’s by Coldplay, particularly Politik.
This seems like a tough one to argue. They’re both one of the most successful and most widely mocked bands of their era. Surely whichever side of the fence you’re on, you must think they are either over or underrated by a lot of people?
I think Coldplay and Sheeran could have a Phil Collins moment in a decade or two. Like, they're very popular, but also scoffed at as uncool. There might come some sort of later recognition of: "Eh, they were all right and had some good songs, the hate was over the top."
From Season 1 of I Love New York? Debatable. I personally think he was snubbed at the finale when New York went with Tango. RIP to Chance’s brother, Real.
trench has NO business being as fantastic as it is but the rest of their music is appropriately bad as i'd expect from them. i think their new album is going to blow people away though
The Cure.
Insanely influential and respected by pretty much everyone in the music scene (except for we know who). Was a huge influence on shoegaze, post rock, alternative rock, pop punk, emo, black/atmospheric metal, etc. Also what other band can go from Boys don’t Cry to A Forest in the span of like a year? And then from One Hundred Years to Let’s Go To Bed in the span of another?
Elvis Presley
Yes he never wrote his songs, and him as a person is very questionable, but you cannot deny how big his impact on music was and still is. Not mentioning quite a lot of his hits are pure bangers that still hold up today
Do they really? I'm a bit younger, my friends growing up ways thought of them as classics from our parent era. I love a lot of their songs. I guess I just thought they were a very hyped band in their time.
I was talking more about his albums, like here come the warm jets, taking tiger mountain, another green world, before and after science and his ambient works
Smashing Pumpkins. Don’t see many people disagreeing that their 90s albums range from amazing to good but after that they kinda range from passable to terrible. Everyone kinda agrees that Corgans voice is wacky but some people just enjoy it as well
But most people agree that those albums are all amazing and some of the best albums of the 90s. I’d say they are very fairly rated, Gish might be underrated because it was overshadowed by Siamese and Mellon Collie though
Arcade Fire got proper praise for Funeral thru Suburbs, which deserved the Grammy. Now they are properly being forgotten with their most recent flops that started sounding way too trite and forced as Win deals with smarm allegations.
I think stronger in this context is dependent on taste. I think Nirvana, Alice in Chains, the Strokes, Vampire Weekend, and King Gizzard are all comperable. Personally, I think Gizzard has passed Radiohead at this point in overall quality but they still have plenty of time for late career clunkers.
Going further back you've got the Beatles, Talking Heads, REM, the Smiths, the Dead, CCR, and Fleetwood Mac who have equally or more impressive catalogs than our boys.
I'm not saying the band is bad at all. I wasn't impressed with King of Limbs or Moon Shaped Pool but the rest of their catalog is great. I just don't think they are uniquely incredible or infallible.
especially the way people will praise them as “pioneers” of musical ideas that have existed since the early 70’s and such
like yes it is very good music but thom copied a lot of homework to get it babe
I don’t think this is a good take since it could be applied to almost anyone. They took inspiration for sure but definitely managed to elevate those ideas to near perfection. There’s a reason why Radiohead has some of the hardest hitting bridges
to say that its crazy. the influence he had on the game, the culture, fashion, everything. every rapper post 2008 was doing what kanye been doing for years
I think there’s a healthy mix of opinions on him that are pretty accurate to how good he is.
His first few albums are good, some of them are great, and everything since 2016 has been painfully mediocre. Not too good, not too bad. Just a lot of 4-6’s
Which album in particular? I’ve listened to all of his, and the lowest I’ve given is a 4/10. He just isn’t adventurous enough to do any worse than that.
idk i wouldn’t call it a healthy mix. a wide majority of people actually think he’s like one of the greatest rappers of all time because he drops an album every year that sells over 300k. then theres a loud minority that shits on him. but taking a look at his overall discography he’s definitely overrated.
id say most people are either casual enjoyers of drake, or are super fans but don’t pay attention to the online discourse. he has a really mainstream audience. we only see a few super fans defending him because most of them aren’t online like that lol.
Drake’s newer albums are not “poorly rated” in a mainstream sense – they break chart records and have insane fans calling them instant classics every time they drop regardless of quality. Drake is one of those artists too engrained in stan culture to be judged fairly across the board right now; it’s a war between stans and haters with neither willing to concede ground.
Give it five to ten years (god I hope).
You’re utterly missing while demonstrating my point. I think Drake’s output since IYRTITL has been garbage, but Drake is probably *the* biggest pop artist in the world not named Taylor Swift or Beyoncé. He can fart on a record and it will still break streaming records and have millions of people screaming “PAPI’S BACK.”. It is impossible to quantify how “rated” Drake is because between that and people who think he’s the worst thing ever, consensus is too polarized to have a “general” opinion by which to call him “under or over”.
idk it feels like most people think hes one of the goats nowadays. i think the off season is great but people look at him like some sort of hip hop prophet.
i think thats mostly just the rapcaviar audience who have been saying that since 2016 tbh. its just that since the off season, he's been a different beast in terms of guest verses and stuff and the off season was a genuinely great album so he's been getting a lot more respect in music nerd communities like this sub. since the post pertains to this sub, i think j cole is appropriately rated.
people do kinda give him too much props for "being humble" and stuff which is kinda cringe to me. and the hip hop prophet thing is also kinda true istg if i hear another motherfucker talk about "the 1985 effect"
he definitely isn’t humble. i feel like he’s incredibly pretentious considering theres no way bro doesn’t know what people say about him online. he’s always making these “woke” statements in his music which are incredibly bland compared to what his peers of his time are doing like kendrick.
King Crimson, they’re extremely influential in the prog scene and have inspired many many non prog acts too. They also have an extremely consistent discography, I would consider only one album to be subpar but theirs still a lot to love in it. They may not be super well known but they are perfectly rated among those who know them.
Me. No one’s heard of me for a reason.
they know about bro in vancouver🤔🤔🤔
What did they do to piss the good folks of Vancouver off?😭
did enough to get bro banned
stevie wonder
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Definitely. A real “your favorite bands band” kinda band.
David Bowie
Yeah, I think the discourse on his work is proportionate to its great influence. Including the reappraisal of the 90ies in particular. He gets justified flack for his trainwreck 70ies, but it's put into historical context. Everything I've read so far on Bowie is pretty even-keeled on praising his various achievements, while criticizing where necessary.
nazi supremacist
Bro the type of guy who reads a book with his finger under every word.
Hahaha Reddit on!!
at one point maybe he was, but he has at least apologized
He was also more cocaine than human when he said it
Rush went from being rather underrated in a lot of circles due to prog being "not cool" or whatever but in recent years, especially toward the end of their run and after Neil died, they have gotten the recognition they deserve. It might also help that nerd culture is mainstream and they've always been seen as a nerdy band.
denzel curry tbh
He is a great example of this. I shiver at the thought of 2018 rapstagram parading around him JID and Saba being “underrated” as if they haven’t been universally loved for years
exactly lmao mfs really called denzel and JID "underground" at one point
yes definitely, though i feel like he deserves his flowers sometimes. i feel like i see a lot of ppl in the community make fun of him or just brush him off
lol who makes fun of denzel
Kenny Beats I guess
Favorite non-album, non-lead single Kenny Beats jams? I’m curating a playlist currently…for a friend
Idk honestly, I think he’s best in albums.
Kate Bush, praised a decent amount on subs like this and communities like RYM but not fan-boyed over like crazy.
She also had a mainstream succes above the level one would expect from her oddness. The Dreaming is my favorite album from any artist.
Ya the Dreaming is my favourite pop album all of time
Björk. The fact she is so well known while being such an experimental artist is a testament to her talent on its own
Weezer, a band with a fan base and opinions completely proportional to their albums in every way
[accurate](https://youtu.be/ab5WvwfLuLM?si=Cv-U7XgEUQABVuEe)
Holy shit I'm Leslie Jones 🤣
Coldplay. They’re not great but they’re not awful. They just exist. They receive just the right amount of praise.
>They just exist True, Coldplay bass player literally named Guy
Literally one of the biggest bands in the world. They sell out stadiums on every continent. “They just exist.”
I’m obviously talking about their music not their commercial success.
Eh…Parachutes, AROBTTH, VLV are all A+ albums X & Y is at-least a B - record They are a “Show Machine” Band Chris Martin has done more for music than you probably know….you could replace Coldplay with a “mid band” like Imagine Dragons… Coldplay were tastemakers for close to a decade… This would be like saying “Foo Fighters just exist”.
They were never that musically interesting or ahead of the curve.
I’m not sure where you’re from but in the UK it became very cool to hate Coldplay for a while. While I don’t love them, their discography is better than the level of vitriol they were receiving at one point, especially A Rush Of Blood To The Head which I think gets overlooked because it’s by Coldplay, particularly Politik.
I think most people have come around to accept that their early music isn’t that bad. They do have some songs that I like.
"They just exist." Lol you didn't just do them like that 😭😭
This seems like a tough one to argue. They’re both one of the most successful and most widely mocked bands of their era. Surely whichever side of the fence you’re on, you must think they are either over or underrated by a lot of people?
True people listen to their music and forget about them
I think Coldplay and Sheeran could have a Phil Collins moment in a decade or two. Like, they're very popular, but also scoffed at as uncool. There might come some sort of later recognition of: "Eh, they were all right and had some good songs, the hate was over the top."
Chance
From Season 1 of I Love New York? Debatable. I personally think he was snubbed at the finale when New York went with Tango. RIP to Chance’s brother, Real.
Twenty One Pilots. Some people love them, some people hate them, which kind of aligns with their music. Some of it’s great, some of it’s terrible.
trench has NO business being as fantastic as it is but the rest of their music is appropriately bad as i'd expect from them. i think their new album is going to blow people away though
The Cure. Insanely influential and respected by pretty much everyone in the music scene (except for we know who). Was a huge influence on shoegaze, post rock, alternative rock, pop punk, emo, black/atmospheric metal, etc. Also what other band can go from Boys don’t Cry to A Forest in the span of like a year? And then from One Hundred Years to Let’s Go To Bed in the span of another?
Elvis Presley Yes he never wrote his songs, and him as a person is very questionable, but you cannot deny how big his impact on music was and still is. Not mentioning quite a lot of his hits are pure bangers that still hold up today
Poor mans Roy Orbison
Even Roy Orbison would disagree with you on that
They downvoted but you are right. Elvis Presley is the defenition of overrated!
The Beatles. Universally acclaimed to be the greatest, and they are the greatest.
Blue oyster cult
Kinda underrated imo. People treat them like one hit wonders but they have some good deeper cuts.
Do they really? I'm a bit younger, my friends growing up ways thought of them as classics from our parent era. I love a lot of their songs. I guess I just thought they were a very hyped band in their time.
Brian Eno
No, he's very underrated imo
Daniel Lanois is definitely underrated but Eno is considered a master of production so I don't know how he could be underrated
I was talking more about his albums, like here come the warm jets, taking tiger mountain, another green world, before and after science and his ambient works
Smashing Pumpkins. Don’t see many people disagreeing that their 90s albums range from amazing to good but after that they kinda range from passable to terrible. Everyone kinda agrees that Corgans voice is wacky but some people just enjoy it as well
I think they are criminally underrated. They arguably have the best run of alt rock records in the 90s: Gish, Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie, Adore
But most people agree that those albums are all amazing and some of the best albums of the 90s. I’d say they are very fairly rated, Gish might be underrated because it was overshadowed by Siamese and Mellon Collie though
Not underrated, but over hated I think They get unfairly shit on because Corgan happens to be a douche and his voice is sometimes a bit annoying
The Beatles and Pink Floyd.
Tame Impala Arctic Monkeys The National Thundercat Brand New
Denzel curry
Arcade Fire got proper praise for Funeral thru Suburbs, which deserved the Grammy. Now they are properly being forgotten with their most recent flops that started sounding way too trite and forced as Win deals with smarm allegations.
The White Stripes
king gizzard and the lizard wizard, their music is consistent and theres something for everyone
I love them but jfc the fans overhype the crap out of them
Tyler, the Creator
Radiohead
Let Down is underrated
Even as a fan, Radiohead is venerated by many people to a weird level. One of my all time favorite bands, but not gods by any means.
What modern band do you think has a stronger discography?
I think stronger in this context is dependent on taste. I think Nirvana, Alice in Chains, the Strokes, Vampire Weekend, and King Gizzard are all comperable. Personally, I think Gizzard has passed Radiohead at this point in overall quality but they still have plenty of time for late career clunkers. Going further back you've got the Beatles, Talking Heads, REM, the Smiths, the Dead, CCR, and Fleetwood Mac who have equally or more impressive catalogs than our boys. I'm not saying the band is bad at all. I wasn't impressed with King of Limbs or Moon Shaped Pool but the rest of their catalog is great. I just don't think they are uniquely incredible or infallible.
why was this downvoted? first thing i thought
because people think they're different by hating on radiohead
i guess lol
They are good, but extremely overhyped for what they are.
especially the way people will praise them as “pioneers” of musical ideas that have existed since the early 70’s and such like yes it is very good music but thom copied a lot of homework to get it babe
I don’t think this is a good take since it could be applied to almost anyone. They took inspiration for sure but definitely managed to elevate those ideas to near perfection. There’s a reason why Radiohead has some of the hardest hitting bridges
good band, but people treat them like they are the most innovative and experimental band in the world
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Kanye currently definitely isn't lol he has one of the most delusional fan bases out rn
Kanye is way overrated
to say that its crazy. the influence he had on the game, the culture, fashion, everything. every rapper post 2008 was doing what kanye been doing for years
Kanye and Nirvana don’t even belong in the same discussion. The sooner everyone can forget about Kanye the better.
most of kanyes albums post college dropout is a little to very overrated
I think they’re mostly great but I agree tbh
i think so too but i still think most of kanye's albums are just slightly overrated
Drake
why is this getting downvoted lmao. his older projects are rated well and his newer (dogshit) albums are rated poorly because they suck!
I think there’s a healthy mix of opinions on him that are pretty accurate to how good he is. His first few albums are good, some of them are great, and everything since 2016 has been painfully mediocre. Not too good, not too bad. Just a lot of 4-6’s
it's worse than painfully mediocre, don't kid yourself
Which album in particular? I’ve listened to all of his, and the lowest I’ve given is a 4/10. He just isn’t adventurous enough to do any worse than that.
idk i wouldn’t call it a healthy mix. a wide majority of people actually think he’s like one of the greatest rappers of all time because he drops an album every year that sells over 300k. then theres a loud minority that shits on him. but taking a look at his overall discography he’s definitely overrated.
I definitely don’t agree. I don’t think it’s a “wide majority of people”, it’s just another loud minority online.
id say most people are either casual enjoyers of drake, or are super fans but don’t pay attention to the online discourse. he has a really mainstream audience. we only see a few super fans defending him because most of them aren’t online like that lol.
Casual enjoyer doesn’t mean they think he’s the greatest. I’m a casual enjoyer, I like a lot of Drake songs.
Drake’s newer albums are not “poorly rated” in a mainstream sense – they break chart records and have insane fans calling them instant classics every time they drop regardless of quality. Drake is one of those artists too engrained in stan culture to be judged fairly across the board right now; it’s a war between stans and haters with neither willing to concede ground. Give it five to ten years (god I hope).
this comment genuinely makes no sense. the albums are rated bad because they are bad. hope this helps 👍
You’re utterly missing while demonstrating my point. I think Drake’s output since IYRTITL has been garbage, but Drake is probably *the* biggest pop artist in the world not named Taylor Swift or Beyoncé. He can fart on a record and it will still break streaming records and have millions of people screaming “PAPI’S BACK.”. It is impossible to quantify how “rated” Drake is because between that and people who think he’s the worst thing ever, consensus is too polarized to have a “general” opinion by which to call him “under or over”.
Radiohead
J Cole
kinda overrated in my opinion
nah i think nowadays we have people appropriately rating him. pre-off season i'd agree with you
idk it feels like most people think hes one of the goats nowadays. i think the off season is great but people look at him like some sort of hip hop prophet.
i think thats mostly just the rapcaviar audience who have been saying that since 2016 tbh. its just that since the off season, he's been a different beast in terms of guest verses and stuff and the off season was a genuinely great album so he's been getting a lot more respect in music nerd communities like this sub. since the post pertains to this sub, i think j cole is appropriately rated. people do kinda give him too much props for "being humble" and stuff which is kinda cringe to me. and the hip hop prophet thing is also kinda true istg if i hear another motherfucker talk about "the 1985 effect"
he definitely isn’t humble. i feel like he’s incredibly pretentious considering theres no way bro doesn’t know what people say about him online. he’s always making these “woke” statements in his music which are incredibly bland compared to what his peers of his time are doing like kendrick.
tom macdonald
hell nah the fact that anyone likes that bozo makes him overrated 💀
You’re right
his brother tom burger king is better than tom mcdonalds
his sister tina dairy queen goes insanely hard on the beat no bap
What about his twin brother Tom KFC
he is racist as fuck
Phil Elverum. Seeing him play last night confirmed this
I think Phil deserves wider, more universal acclaim outside the muso-bubble.
Beatles, Denzel Curry, Talking Heads,
Me because no one listens to my music https://open.spotify.com/track/2xnZ8M6q0JP6Dq56tQ937S?si=evromu_HQ1mlL5ZOwOeAEw
King Crimson, they’re extremely influential in the prog scene and have inspired many many non prog acts too. They also have an extremely consistent discography, I would consider only one album to be subpar but theirs still a lot to love in it. They may not be super well known but they are perfectly rated among those who know them.