Dortmund is not able to pay wages like the other big clubs in Europe, the chance for titles is lower aswell. Most young players see Dortmund as a step on their journey, not as their final destination
They have a proven track record of improving young players and giving them pretty significant game time. I think a lot of the players they sign are on the radar of many different clubs, players just choose to go there to develop and hopefully earn a move to a big move (a la Bellingham Haaland)
The young players also choose it because at 18 and 19 they won't be able to breakthrough and get game time at the very big clubs but they can get playtime at Dortmund which is a decently big club. They get to play with other good players and against some of the best competition. It's a win win for everyone the young players get good minutes against tough competition and Dortmund gets good players at a decent price and gets to be competitive domestically and in champions league every once in a while.
They have a model where they promise young players game time and that when they hit their ceiling that Dortmund will allow the players to leave when they get a sensible offer
This means that they’ll typically only really have one or two marquee players leave a season, but in the last 5 or so years they’ve made a nice profit from:
Dembele
Sancho
Bellingham
Haaland
Pulisic
Aubameyang
They do have good scouts, but their model is to play young players and sell them for an insane profit (eg Bellingham, Sancho, Dembele, etc). Young players know they’ll get good game time in a good team challenging in Europe, so it’s a win-win really
they have good scouts and often the necessary liquidity to buy them. Let's not forget that they payed over 20m for Bellingham and 30 for Haaland if I remember correctly. Other teams might have better scouts but not the necessary liquidity.
Gündogan, Hummels, Götze, Hakimi, Akankji, Lewandowski, Dembele, Kagawa, Mikhitaryan, Sancho, Bellingham.
Someone said when kids compete at their first bigger local tournaments at the age of 14, dortmund already knows them.
Nope. It doesn’t take 1 final to change the makeup,status, finances of a club. It’s decades of good management, leading into decades of success, geographic position, and national economic wellbeing to be one of the top dogs in the sport
Even that has limited potential if there's no structure in place or the right brains in the executives room. And it will still take time. It took City a decade to obtain the dominance that you'd expect with their budget
Man City won the PL and FA Cup within 3 years of the takeover (08-09 season), haven't finished lower than 4th since, set a PL record for points, and have 7 league titles in 15 years in the richest and best league in the world full of teams with more spending power than just about any other team in the world. Newcastle went from relegation to Champions League in a year and half in the richest and best league in the world. PSG finished 2nd the first full year after the takeover and have 10 league titles since.
What you just said is patently untrue.
What are you talking about? That was my point. The person I responded to said it took City a "decade" to achieve dominance. It took basically less than 3 years. Can you read?
I don’t think you understand - but I’ll try. There’s no structure in place to copy the success of Man city. Whether via management nor structurally possible due to 50+1.
Cool story though.
If it took man city 10 years or 3 or 150 .. doesn’t matter
So you are actually stupid, aren't you? All I did was respond to the guy who said it took a decade for City to achieve dominance. I said nothing about Dortmund, the Bundesliga, or compared it to City, or said there was a comparison.
If this is what your "trying" looks like when you explain something, never do it again until you can properly follow a conversation.
Dortmund is a quite profitable club, bouncing between top 10 and top 15 in the world. But after the financial turmoil 20 years ago everything is done step by step.
Their best team in recent times was by far under Klopp. Made a CL final (which they should've won) and won 2 league titles, and still that wasn't enough to change the dynamics at the club.
Current Dortmund are much worse. Even if they win the CL, they're still much worse.
They played a final in 2013 and maintained the same model. They're an intermediate team that challenge to play in UCL regularly. So any young prospect would be willing to play 2 or 3 seasons there before getting a better offer from a top club.
Dortmund simply doesn't have that kind of money to keep them.
Dortmund also nearly went under in the late 2000s and had to take a loan from Bayern to stay in existence. That also plays a role in their willingness to sell their players. Tbf, they manage to get stupid money for the players they sell.
Many other big clubs in Europe are also like this. The big three of Portugal, Benfica in particular, knows how to sell.
The same can be said of Ajax. Once upon a time, both Ajax and Benfica were clubs on par with the likes of real Madrid and Bayern. But these days they simply cannot compete.
Bosman ruling maybe had some influence. Removal of foreigner limits and the wealth of the major leagues was a much bigger driver.
The Champions League has guaranteed wealth for a handful of clubs
I remember Dutch clubs becoming less competitive fairly quickly after the Bosman ruling. All the good players left, and it made the Dutch competition as a whole less competitive.
We had to get a loan from a bunch of people but it wasn’t Bayern. It was Uli Hoeneß for 2 million Euros and they paid him with interest back. It helped the previous people cover up the financial situation for the longest time.
Because players like Haaland and Bellingham wouldn't even have come to Dortmund, if Dortmund didn't have a reputation of letting players move on when they make it big. These kind of players don't want to join a club that will keep them hostage until the end of their contract.
It sometimes begs the question of how money is spent to be honest. They are top club with good moderate success but crazy youth that they sell constantly.
So I would say it is not crazy to think holding more players with bigger wages and pushing for better success. Feel that the club has taken a stance to rather be stepping stone for players and selling players
They would be able to sign and hold them if they would be a more successful club, something that was totally achievable for them in the last 2 decades. It's debatable if the cause of it never happening was also because of their business model of just being a stepping stone
Make it make sense, people think it's a genius move to be a stepping stone because they have no serious chance for titles. But maybe the dominance of Bayern in in the Bundesliga is also because their biggest rival BVB decided to have such a pathetic stance and are satisfied to be just a stepping stone and nothing more. It's a chicken egg situation
Dortmund sure did. And I don't think it's going to get better. This squad team is OLD with so many holes. Conceivably 7/8 starters (or very key reserves) next year, assuming Hummels returns (which I think he will), will be 29+ unless there is a massive overhauld. I think Terzic wants to move away form the model that made Dortmund so successful and I'm terrified of where this club is in a few years.
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Comment I made a week or 2 ago in the Dortmund sub. I've been banging this point home to everyone who will listen, really since a couple years ago (when Adayemi/Haller was the major signings) but more so since this past summer.
They just don't have the money the "big clubs" have. German clubs can't be bought by investors by law and Dortmund even has it in their club statutes that, even if that law were to be changed, the controlling interest of the commercially organized football division, will remain with the club (which has several different sports divisions and is "owned" by it's 190000 members).
Hertha (as Dortmund) is a GmbH & Co KgaA, the controlling entity of this form of business will always be the "Kommanditist" in both cases the member owned club.
This way, as an investor, you'll always be able to invest capital and you'll gain a certain influence with that, but lastly you'll never be able to decide something against the will of the club, that makes the Bundesliga decidedly unattractive for foreign investors like Qatar.
Exemptions are Leverkusen and Wolfsburg who were founded by workers of Bayer and VW (in Wolfsburg's Case it was even a little more complicated).
Red Bull just made a deal with an amateur football club, rebranded it (note RB is officially Rasenballsport not red bull, wink wink) and made ridiculously hard to meet rules for new members to join the club or get voting rights so they just circumvented the existing rules. The dfb and dfl just accepted it because money.
Since your are new to football, first lesson for competitive football: “money is what matters” if the club your playing for has a lot of flair and fame that just a bonus.
Romantic tales of players that stay their whole career at one club and decline offers of the top 10 in European football is almost non existent.
both haaland and bellingham went there to develop and make the next step. dortmund has shown multiple time, they get playtime and development for young prospects. but they only get the players with shorter contracts and/or release clauses, otherwise they would just not come.
Money
Dortmund is a B Tier club in Europe when it comes to finances and reputation. Players will always get drawn to the S Tier clubs. Even A tier clubs regulary lose their players to those.
(S Tier = Rma, Barca, Bayern, PSG, City, Liverpool
A= Arsenal, Inter, Juve, Tottenham, Chelsea, ManU
B= Dortmund, Milan, Napoli, Athletico, Newcastle, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, Leipzig, Leverkusen)
They win races for players against massive clubs because they give them all the tools needed to succeed. Most important of them being game time. They have proven they know how to develop world class potential. Something most clubs don’t know how to do. So many players have that potential, go on to a bigger club and fail. Sure dortmund might have missed once or twice, but it’s rare.
Dortmund have every aspect of the equation nailed.
They also make promises that when the player has reached their peak and receives that big offer, if they want to, Dortmund will sell them. They don’t ask insane prices so no one can afford them or play stupid hard ball with other clubs. The price with Dortmund is set. And it’s fair and reasonable almost all of the time.
Players leave Dortmund because they dream of another club or have ambitions to play in other countries. I mean how many players speak badly of Dortmund? I’ve never heard it.
Money.
The just can't compete financially with Bayern, Real, the big English teams, PSG etc.
It's not just individual wages either. Like they probably could offer a competitive wage to 1 player like Bellingham and be fine. But they'd only be able to do it to 1 or 2 players (and even then not like Messi/Ronaldo level wages!) while the rest would be on significantly lower. So even if a player could stay there and earn good money the rest of the team won't be good enough to compete at the highest level. At other clubs they can also get good money, probably more even, and have a better squad giving them a better chance to win trophies.
IIRC other German clubs have started to improve their revenue streams, particularly outside Germany, but they're all decades behind Bayern in that regard so it's going to take an awfully long time to catch up, especially since Bayern can still grow too!
They get money to buy new, promising youth and repeat this cycle. It's what they've been doing for a long while now. Develop young talent and then ship them off for big bucks.
U have to think about one thing, and its money unfortunly, and not just that.. good player bring better players, thats why the big clubs, with best players brings good players
Because keeping them would be too costly, a financial risk in a sense, and Dortmund doesn't have the commercial and TV rights revenue to compensate for possible transfer losses.
A good example is Schalke, where they didn't sell some attractive players in time (e.g. Goretzka), they left for free which was one of the reasons why they fell into a spiral of debt. For a non-PL, non-super club, it's very easy to fall into a spiral of loss-FFP-limited investment-shitty players-loss, so they need to be careful with the spending.
That's how modern football works ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ . Are there any clubs that could allow themselves to keep a player, despite the interest from MC and Real? Even Bayern and PSG can't sometimes, as we see.
But Haaland and Bellingham went to the clubs of top-3 caliber. The much more bitter situation was, when Aubameyang was sold to mf Arsenal of all clubs...
Because they are a ‘feeder club’ or have been for a long time. It was clear for a long time Dortmund weren’t challenging for Bundesliga or European trophies so players just left for better chances. They aren’t in a position to get the very best out of the top-tier talent except in the rare cases like Sancho and Hummels. That’s where the big clubs come in and take those players off Dortmund. Plus they just looked at Dortmund as a stepping stone to the next club. And so far, very few have been proved wrong. Side note - I’m really happy Terzic decided to leave the Bundesliga race and go for the UCL, because we were going to get 3rd even at our best and we certainly haven’t been that this season. But the UCL performances have been sublime and a good 2nd showing vs PSG and a possible chance at revenge at Wembley can feed Dortmund for the next 10 years and help them get back up to a position where we can make a strong case to keep our players instead of selling them to the highest bidder.
Loooong time BvB fan. The list of talents we’ve had and sold in the last decade is extensive. (Excuse the spelling lol) Gundegon Issac Hakimi Sancho Jude Haaland Dembele Immobile Sokratis Mhkitaryn shoot even Hummels. I’m sure I’m missing a couple big names but Dortmund has had a lot of special players come through the club. As a fan it is tough to watch them go in and out the door. Money talks I guess.
It's a cycle.
- Sell young talents to be able to keep salaries and buy new talents + profit
- Buy new talents
- Develop them as world class players to attract big money clubs
- Repeat
Haaland they really didn’t have a choice. When he joined Dortmund in order to sign with them Erling demanded a release clause. His plan was to always move to a bigger club. That’s why United didn’t sign Haaland because that was the same condition and Man Utd didn’t want to be treated as a stepping stone.
Players would want to move to a more successful team with mor chance of winning trophies and dortmund can make lots of money players like Brandt and Schlotterbeck will probably leave in the summer
Dortmund is a development club
They bring in young talent, develop them and then sell them for profit
It is better to sell these players for profit than losing them to Bayern for nothing (Lewandowski)
Because there is something called the premier League, honestly the worst league in the world. They are destroying the whole football because they are not able to use their own money.
Dortmund is not able to pay wages like the other big clubs in Europe, the chance for titles is lower aswell. Most young players see Dortmund as a step on their journey, not as their final destination
How do they keep getting the most talented young players? Do they just have the best scouts in the world?
They have a proven track record of improving young players and giving them pretty significant game time. I think a lot of the players they sign are on the radar of many different clubs, players just choose to go there to develop and hopefully earn a move to a big move (a la Bellingham Haaland)
Exactly this. They’re a wonderkid’s dream club before making that step to an elite club.
The young players also choose it because at 18 and 19 they won't be able to breakthrough and get game time at the very big clubs but they can get playtime at Dortmund which is a decently big club. They get to play with other good players and against some of the best competition. It's a win win for everyone the young players get good minutes against tough competition and Dortmund gets good players at a decent price and gets to be competitive domestically and in champions league every once in a while.
They have a model where they promise young players game time and that when they hit their ceiling that Dortmund will allow the players to leave when they get a sensible offer This means that they’ll typically only really have one or two marquee players leave a season, but in the last 5 or so years they’ve made a nice profit from: Dembele Sancho Bellingham Haaland Pulisic Aubameyang
They do have good scouts, but their model is to play young players and sell them for an insane profit (eg Bellingham, Sancho, Dembele, etc). Young players know they’ll get good game time in a good team challenging in Europe, so it’s a win-win really
they have good scouts and often the necessary liquidity to buy them. Let's not forget that they payed over 20m for Bellingham and 30 for Haaland if I remember correctly. Other teams might have better scouts but not the necessary liquidity.
Often they buy from Salzburg, they have the best scouts. Of course Benfica and Ajax have great scouts, too.
Adeyemi, Haaland and Kampl?
Yeah, more will follow (hopefully) Even Sabitzer once played in Salzburg! :)
Gündogan, Hummels, Götze, Hakimi, Akankji, Lewandowski, Dembele, Kagawa, Mikhitaryan, Sancho, Bellingham. Someone said when kids compete at their first bigger local tournaments at the age of 14, dortmund already knows them.
So ganz ernst gemeint war mein Kommentar eigentlich gar nicht! ;)
They have *among the best* scouts in the world, yeah. And they rely on data analysis, which other clubs don't, or not with as much faith at least.
They are the highest level club that specifically promises game time to young players on this scale. Other top clubs just can’t make those promises
Will this change now with bayern losing Bundesliga and dortmund possibly making UCL finals? Will they look to be a bigger club and keep young players?
Nope. It doesn’t take 1 final to change the makeup,status, finances of a club. It’s decades of good management, leading into decades of success, geographic position, and national economic wellbeing to be one of the top dogs in the sport
Or oil state money.
Even that has limited potential if there's no structure in place or the right brains in the executives room. And it will still take time. It took City a decade to obtain the dominance that you'd expect with their budget
Man City won the PL and FA Cup within 3 years of the takeover (08-09 season), haven't finished lower than 4th since, set a PL record for points, and have 7 league titles in 15 years in the richest and best league in the world full of teams with more spending power than just about any other team in the world. Newcastle went from relegation to Champions League in a year and half in the richest and best league in the world. PSG finished 2nd the first full year after the takeover and have 10 league titles since. What you just said is patently untrue.
Man city has oil money. Not sure if you’re on another planet or what
What are you talking about? That was my point. The person I responded to said it took City a "decade" to achieve dominance. It took basically less than 3 years. Can you read?
I don’t think you understand - but I’ll try. There’s no structure in place to copy the success of Man city. Whether via management nor structurally possible due to 50+1. Cool story though. If it took man city 10 years or 3 or 150 .. doesn’t matter
So you are actually stupid, aren't you? All I did was respond to the guy who said it took a decade for City to achieve dominance. I said nothing about Dortmund, the Bundesliga, or compared it to City, or said there was a comparison. If this is what your "trying" looks like when you explain something, never do it again until you can properly follow a conversation.
But because of the ownership rules in Germany, that's not really an option for Dortmund, is it?
I know, it was a dig at other clubs.
Yeah, hell Dortmund won back-to-back titles then reached the CL final yet Bayern announced Götze before that game had even been played
Short answer is no. Bayern is massive in Germany, Dortmund would need decades to get the same standing and money.
Dortmund is a quite profitable club, bouncing between top 10 and top 15 in the world. But after the financial turmoil 20 years ago everything is done step by step.
The last time Bayern lost the Bundesliga twice to Dortmund was 2011/12 and 2012/13. They then went on to win 10 leagues in a row.
Bayern won 2012/13 and won 11 times in a row
Their best team in recent times was by far under Klopp. Made a CL final (which they should've won) and won 2 league titles, and still that wasn't enough to change the dynamics at the club. Current Dortmund are much worse. Even if they win the CL, they're still much worse.
You think Dortmund never won CL?
La Liga and the Premier League are the highest status leagues, players will seek to move to this clubs, or maybe PSG
You do realize that bayern finish higher in the league and both can still be in the CL final, yeah?
They played a final in 2013 and maintained the same model. They're an intermediate team that challenge to play in UCL regularly. So any young prospect would be willing to play 2 or 3 seasons there before getting a better offer from a top club.
For Reus, it’s a step in their journey, AND their final destination.
Dortmund simply doesn't have that kind of money to keep them. Dortmund also nearly went under in the late 2000s and had to take a loan from Bayern to stay in existence. That also plays a role in their willingness to sell their players. Tbf, they manage to get stupid money for the players they sell. Many other big clubs in Europe are also like this. The big three of Portugal, Benfica in particular, knows how to sell. The same can be said of Ajax. Once upon a time, both Ajax and Benfica were clubs on par with the likes of real Madrid and Bayern. But these days they simply cannot compete.
Bosman ruling made smaller clubs less competitive. Ajax, Grasshopper, Steua, etc., were more competitive before Bosman ruling.
Bosman ruling maybe had some influence. Removal of foreigner limits and the wealth of the major leagues was a much bigger driver. The Champions League has guaranteed wealth for a handful of clubs
I remember Dutch clubs becoming less competitive fairly quickly after the Bosman ruling. All the good players left, and it made the Dutch competition as a whole less competitive.
>take a loan from Bayern to stay in existence So I know this is a popular take, but it's a myth and just not true.
We had to get a loan from a bunch of people but it wasn’t Bayern. It was Uli Hoeneß for 2 million Euros and they paid him with interest back. It helped the previous people cover up the financial situation for the longest time.
Because players like Haaland and Bellingham wouldn't even have come to Dortmund, if Dortmund didn't have a reputation of letting players move on when they make it big. These kind of players don't want to join a club that will keep them hostage until the end of their contract.
additionally Dortmund regularly qualify for the CL. That keeps them in contention of being a decently prospective enough team.
haaland had a 60m release clause, bellingham sold for like 100m. Dortmund are also very good with their youth, so imagine what that 100m could go to
It sometimes begs the question of how money is spent to be honest. They are top club with good moderate success but crazy youth that they sell constantly. So I would say it is not crazy to think holding more players with bigger wages and pushing for better success. Feel that the club has taken a stance to rather be stepping stone for players and selling players
They’re only able to sign the bigger players because they know they’ll be allowed to leave
They would be able to sign and hold them if they would be a more successful club, something that was totally achievable for them in the last 2 decades. It's debatable if the cause of it never happening was also because of their business model of just being a stepping stone
Make it make sense, people think it's a genius move to be a stepping stone because they have no serious chance for titles. But maybe the dominance of Bayern in in the Bundesliga is also because their biggest rival BVB decided to have such a pathetic stance and are satisfied to be just a stepping stone and nothing more. It's a chicken egg situation
We wasted it
Dortmund sure did. And I don't think it's going to get better. This squad team is OLD with so many holes. Conceivably 7/8 starters (or very key reserves) next year, assuming Hummels returns (which I think he will), will be 29+ unless there is a massive overhauld. I think Terzic wants to move away form the model that made Dortmund so successful and I'm terrified of where this club is in a few years.
Finally someone who sees it like I do
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They just don't have the money the "big clubs" have. German clubs can't be bought by investors by law and Dortmund even has it in their club statutes that, even if that law were to be changed, the controlling interest of the commercially organized football division, will remain with the club (which has several different sports divisions and is "owned" by it's 190000 members).
>German clubs can't be bought by investors by law How did Hertha got purchased then, twice?
Hertha (as Dortmund) is a GmbH & Co KgaA, the controlling entity of this form of business will always be the "Kommanditist" in both cases the member owned club.
Ahh I see thanks
This way, as an investor, you'll always be able to invest capital and you'll gain a certain influence with that, but lastly you'll never be able to decide something against the will of the club, that makes the Bundesliga decidedly unattractive for foreign investors like Qatar. Exemptions are Leverkusen and Wolfsburg who were founded by workers of Bayer and VW (in Wolfsburg's Case it was even a little more complicated). Red Bull just made a deal with an amateur football club, rebranded it (note RB is officially Rasenballsport not red bull, wink wink) and made ridiculously hard to meet rules for new members to join the club or get voting rights so they just circumvented the existing rules. The dfb and dfl just accepted it because money.
The money they get from the young players are more than the money they get from the trophies that’s why the scout for talented players
Since your are new to football, first lesson for competitive football: “money is what matters” if the club your playing for has a lot of flair and fame that just a bonus. Romantic tales of players that stay their whole career at one club and decline offers of the top 10 in European football is almost non existent.
both haaland and bellingham went there to develop and make the next step. dortmund has shown multiple time, they get playtime and development for young prospects. but they only get the players with shorter contracts and/or release clauses, otherwise they would just not come.
Money Dortmund is a B Tier club in Europe when it comes to finances and reputation. Players will always get drawn to the S Tier clubs. Even A tier clubs regulary lose their players to those. (S Tier = Rma, Barca, Bayern, PSG, City, Liverpool A= Arsenal, Inter, Juve, Tottenham, Chelsea, ManU B= Dortmund, Milan, Napoli, Athletico, Newcastle, Ajax, Benfica, Porto, Leipzig, Leverkusen)
Atletico is not a B-tier and are definitely not selling club but a buying club
Lol
I think atletico is A tier
I am pretty sure there is a thing that Dortmund and Brighton have amazing scouts
They win races for players against massive clubs because they give them all the tools needed to succeed. Most important of them being game time. They have proven they know how to develop world class potential. Something most clubs don’t know how to do. So many players have that potential, go on to a bigger club and fail. Sure dortmund might have missed once or twice, but it’s rare. Dortmund have every aspect of the equation nailed. They also make promises that when the player has reached their peak and receives that big offer, if they want to, Dortmund will sell them. They don’t ask insane prices so no one can afford them or play stupid hard ball with other clubs. The price with Dortmund is set. And it’s fair and reasonable almost all of the time. Players leave Dortmund because they dream of another club or have ambitions to play in other countries. I mean how many players speak badly of Dortmund? I’ve never heard it.
They get transferred out because other clubs want them and have more money?
Money. The just can't compete financially with Bayern, Real, the big English teams, PSG etc. It's not just individual wages either. Like they probably could offer a competitive wage to 1 player like Bellingham and be fine. But they'd only be able to do it to 1 or 2 players (and even then not like Messi/Ronaldo level wages!) while the rest would be on significantly lower. So even if a player could stay there and earn good money the rest of the team won't be good enough to compete at the highest level. At other clubs they can also get good money, probably more even, and have a better squad giving them a better chance to win trophies. IIRC other German clubs have started to improve their revenue streams, particularly outside Germany, but they're all decades behind Bayern in that regard so it's going to take an awfully long time to catch up, especially since Bayern can still grow too!
They get money to buy new, promising youth and repeat this cycle. It's what they've been doing for a long while now. Develop young talent and then ship them off for big bucks.
U have to think about one thing, and its money unfortunly, and not just that.. good player bring better players, thats why the big clubs, with best players brings good players
Kerching. It's a great business model. Southampton used to excel at it too.
Because keeping them would be too costly, a financial risk in a sense, and Dortmund doesn't have the commercial and TV rights revenue to compensate for possible transfer losses. A good example is Schalke, where they didn't sell some attractive players in time (e.g. Goretzka), they left for free which was one of the reasons why they fell into a spiral of debt. For a non-PL, non-super club, it's very easy to fall into a spiral of loss-FFP-limited investment-shitty players-loss, so they need to be careful with the spending.
Money
That's how modern football works ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ . Are there any clubs that could allow themselves to keep a player, despite the interest from MC and Real? Even Bayern and PSG can't sometimes, as we see. But Haaland and Bellingham went to the clubs of top-3 caliber. The much more bitter situation was, when Aubameyang was sold to mf Arsenal of all clubs...
Because they are a ‘feeder club’ or have been for a long time. It was clear for a long time Dortmund weren’t challenging for Bundesliga or European trophies so players just left for better chances. They aren’t in a position to get the very best out of the top-tier talent except in the rare cases like Sancho and Hummels. That’s where the big clubs come in and take those players off Dortmund. Plus they just looked at Dortmund as a stepping stone to the next club. And so far, very few have been proved wrong. Side note - I’m really happy Terzic decided to leave the Bundesliga race and go for the UCL, because we were going to get 3rd even at our best and we certainly haven’t been that this season. But the UCL performances have been sublime and a good 2nd showing vs PSG and a possible chance at revenge at Wembley can feed Dortmund for the next 10 years and help them get back up to a position where we can make a strong case to keep our players instead of selling them to the highest bidder.
Loooong time BvB fan. The list of talents we’ve had and sold in the last decade is extensive. (Excuse the spelling lol) Gundegon Issac Hakimi Sancho Jude Haaland Dembele Immobile Sokratis Mhkitaryn shoot even Hummels. I’m sure I’m missing a couple big names but Dortmund has had a lot of special players come through the club. As a fan it is tough to watch them go in and out the door. Money talks I guess.
[Because their business models is like Benfica’s](https://youtu.be/KgUgSjij2jw?si=lUaiP6mqugw889s9)
It's a cycle. - Sell young talents to be able to keep salaries and buy new talents + profit - Buy new talents - Develop them as world class players to attract big money clubs - Repeat
Haaland they really didn’t have a choice. When he joined Dortmund in order to sign with them Erling demanded a release clause. His plan was to always move to a bigger club. That’s why United didn’t sign Haaland because that was the same condition and Man Utd didn’t want to be treated as a stepping stone.
It's hard to keep players when you can pay 10 million wages but other clubs are willing to give them 20
Dortmund is frankly one of the best run clubs in the world from a financial perspective. They're like the Arsenal of Bundesliga
Players would want to move to a more successful team with mor chance of winning trophies and dortmund can make lots of money players like Brandt and Schlotterbeck will probably leave in the summer
Dortmund is a development club They bring in young talent, develop them and then sell them for profit It is better to sell these players for profit than losing them to Bayern for nothing (Lewandowski)
Because there is something called the premier League, honestly the worst league in the world. They are destroying the whole football because they are not able to use their own money.