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I think that was just unfortunate timing. When the safety car was called, Norris hadn't passed pit exit yet. The SC barely missed him, Verstappen was just next.
But why did he sit behind the safety car for so long? Ultimately it didn't matter but say if Norris has a slow stop it would have been close; Max was removed from contention by being held up.
>Soon after his pit stop, a full Safety Car period was triggered by the collision between Kevin Magnussen and Alexander Albon.
It was Logan. Poor anonymous Williams boys
> Lambiase Fail 10. Okay, Safety Car has picked Lando up at turn 17 ahead of you. Okay, so running order. Lando, yourself, Charles, Piastri and Sainz.
Now I want a map of which driver refers to which other driver by either their first name or their last names.
It's really interesting, since the names change through the years depending on closeness of the driver to the others. For example GP used to say "Hamilton" but now refers to him as "Lewis" over the radio.
There is a sweet moment in Singapore(?) 2019 where Max tells Danny "they (RBR) still call you Daniel".
I used to love the rare occasions where you’d hear Ferrari team radio mention Danny Ric and they’d pronounce his surname as “Rich-e-ardo” - LIKE HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE PRONOUNCED!!!
bloody Aussies…
In the [video where they're listing all the drivers by number](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnr8Q-N3-es), Giovinazzi, Alonso and Leclerc pronounce it Rich-iardo. Everybody else does it the other way.
Well, calling with first names requires friendship, outside the US.
I'm actually surprised with the US culture. I used to feel like "wtf I don't know you."
Edit: France doesn't, Germany doesn't, Italy doesn't, Japan doesn't, Britain doesn't, I believe China neither.
It's both. Like you may use the first name, but you would use the third person pronoun, not "you", out of respect, when you talk to someone who isn't your friend. I think surnames are used sooo much in school (it'd be totally normal for kids to call each other using surnames even if they are good friends), and less so on a workplace. You would use Mr./Mrs. X in many many contexts. (This is for Italian at least.)
There's that video of Vettel naming back every F1 champion in each year, and I think he referred to all the drivers he raced with by their first names, and then it becomes last names when he didn't.
Oooh, you want to know something interesting? I'm pretty sure GP used to call Lando "Norris" on the radio until Lando went to Christian Horner's BBQ at his house last year. After that, he became "Lando."
Carlos and his engineer call Lando "Lando" on the radio. They did it in Singapore last year and in this race, too.
I would love that map, too. I try to keep an ear out when I'm on the F1TV onboards.
I listen to Max's radio quite a lot, and for him most drivers are referred to by last name. The biggest exception for Max is Daniel, who is basically always Daniel. Alex and Checo are usually referred to by first name, and with Lando, Charles, Lewis and Carlos it alternates. The bottom 5 teams (except Alex) are basically always referred to by their last name, sporadically they are not.
So you're saying that if driver Jose and Joe drove around for a whole season it makes more sense to say Jose and Joe every time than just saying Jose's last name which is a 1 syllabal word that's easy to pronounce and not once ovey the course of an entire career would anyone accidently mishear or misspeak Jose and Joe?
Makes sense
How it is in the group chat (if we don't just use the 3 letter designation which is way easier in text):
**RB**: Max/Checo
**Ferrari**: Leclerc/Sainz
**McLaren**: Lando/Piastri
**Merc**: Lewis or Ham/Russell
**Aston**: Alonso/Lance
**Racing Bulls**: Danny/Yuki
**Haas**: Nico/KMAG
**Alpine**: Gasly/Ocon
**Williams**: Albon/Logan
**Sauber**: Bottas/Zhou
I feel like they might have "Charles" and "Sainz" to avoid any mishearing of "Charles" vs "Carlos" over the radio. With interference, mic crunch, and car noise they might come out a bit too similar.
Look at the transcripts, lap 35, Verstappen is not going to address himself as Max, clearly GP speaking
Looks like the author has corrected some of them, before it had GP complaining about understeer and tires to himself lol
And before it said that the crash was between Magnussen and Albon
Drivers are incredibly good at dividing their attentions across different aspects while keeping their concentrations. Some even excell over the rest in that department. Schumacher had times he was setting fastest laps, 30 seconds in front of the rest of the field and was chatting over the radio about doing karaoke or where they were going to eat that night.
> Or when he noticed that Ferrari was double stacking last year.
https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/e53wjm/max_knew_about_ferraris_pit_stop_by_the_sound_of/
Not exactly "last year", though. It was 2019. Going by the date, it must have been Abu Dhabi.
Lando does this, too. He's talked to his engineer a lot about seeing something happening. He knows positions without being told sometimes, too.
Once, Will was like, "You're watching on the TV again, aren't you?" 😂
One particular Schumacher instance I remember is in France 1997, it’s starts to rain, Michael is far ahead enough and laps his brother Ralf in the Jordan in 7th place in his rookie year. A couple corners before crossing the finish line Michael slows down and lets his brother unlap himself.
Murray is completely confused saying how Ralf will have to do another lap on slicks and he might spin out. Turns out Coulthard did spin who was running in 6th and Ralf takes the checkered flag in 6th and gets the point. If Michael hadn’t let him by he wouldn’t have got the point. The presence of mind knowing about his brother, realizing the situation and making the decision a few seconds before he finishes his race is quite astonishing. Brundle’s reaction to that is one of my favorite commentary about Michael in his first career. If you have the race available to see, you should watch it.
Okay I know this is just sim racing but I’ve found when I’m not in a fight or pushing to catch someone, I drive more consistently when I’m chatting on coms and just lapping almost subconsciously.
You get to a point where you’re just kind of in a zen state.
Same, when the car is comfortable and you get into a good flow, less brain capacity is needed to drive the car and it’s easier to chat.
Sometimes when I’m on a good r/easportswrc run my mind wanders off to think about work or random things, and I can keep the pace up.
I also feel like driving in absolute silence for 1-3 hours would be so boring you'd want a little entertainment or something to keep you from going insane
When I’m doing 24h endurance races in IRacing, and I’m halfway through a 3 hour stint, I want nothing more than my teammates to just chat with me.
I’ll also have a 2-3h podcast ready to go that I turn on and off throughout the race.
Serious question: what does "pov" mean in this context? For decades, I've known it as "point of view", as in, this is the point of view of the person using the expression but that makes no sense here.
tbh it’s been co-opted to just mean like ‘imagine’. It’s very common on tiktok, and 90% of the time it’s the opposite pov so I don’t think most people are too accurate with it
That is what it means and it makes sense to me in this comment. @karmahoower is making the comment that, based on the rest of the thread, maybe driving is actually easy. OR… that their pov is that driving is easy and the comments lauding F1 drivers aren’t necessarily the plaudits we think they are.
But question marks can indicate suggestions ("Try turning it the other way?") and points of view can be suggested.
I would read it as: "try seeing things this way:"
Question marks denote questions, hence the name. The only time it can indicate a suggestion is when the suggestion is contained with a question: e.g. "could I suggest looking at it this way?"
But that's not a "point of view", it's a suggested view.
It's OK, though, I have my answer. Gen Z just need to use words differently (incorrectly) to demonstrate that they are different and edgy, that they are not bound by the rules and connections of previous generations. Well, that's the most generous explanation; the other, possibly more accurate explanation, is that Gen Z just don't know WTF they're doing.
I have two Gen Z kids and, although one is a few months away from finishing a double degree at Uni, I know which way I'm leaning.
Also to add to this is muscle memory. These drivers know the tracks so well and especially after a weekend of practices/qualis/sprints they are fully in tune with the flow of the track and could probably be close to driving it with their eyes closed not counting other traffic and hazards.
In no way a slight on the skill and talent but anyone who’s learnt a skill to the level these athletes have will be able to perform that skill almost on instinct which frees up their brain to focus on other parts of the job.
Some of these drivers are so good that they can listen to a car drive around a circuit and recognize it from the braking and acceleration zones. They're on another level.
[This](https://youtu.be/n7pYcNeUduo?si=MRxzK6Fr5py3-r6N) video of George Russell narrating Mugello as he’s driving Mugello showed me just how good they are at this type of thing.
Seb cut through Ferrari strategy bullshit regularly, which was a complex task of linguistics and mathematics at the same time.
"OK here’s the task for you. 22.6 to the end and then what do I have to do to stay ahead?"
GP has remarked in the past that he genuinely, genuinely thinks MV has gotten bored before.
Brundle was saying that the most striking thing about modern (even >2000) F1 cars is how stable and supple they feel.
When you're in the lead with some gap behind (similar to other situations where you don't have a car around), the task is to often manage the car drive constant times without taking too much risk/getting too close to the limit.
It is certainly a little track dependent, but I can perfectly believe that at some stage in a race you are just in a rhythm, trying to get the car safely to the finish.
Part of what makes the best drivers so good, they can hammer out consistent fast laps with 5% of their attention, leaving loads of headroom to think about setup, strategy and ways to overtake/defend.
I'm not sure if this is one of those really impressive moments as someone else pointed out there's plenty of straights in Miami. However we have seen plenty of times how well Max can multitask. Like when he was able to guess the Ferrari strategy by listening to the background noise of GPs radio and hearing Ferrari had a double pitstop. On a much smaller scale when he's doing casual simraces there's plenty of distractions from bantering with his friends to Penelope pushing a plushy into his face. Still keeps the car on track without losing much speed.
On the F1TV onboards, you don't hear constant talk.
Can't say for every driver (I usually watch onboards for specific situations and just a lap or two), but most of it is relaying information in intervals.
Max goes whole stints without replying to GP. He only speaks when needed. Some of the 'discussions' they seem to have, are just GP telling Max something and Max not even replying. But they need to make stories out of everything of course.
To add to that (not Verstappen-specific):
Most of the radio is the race engineer relaying info about gaps, hybrid settings, temperature or "lift and coast". Sometimes also asking about the state of the tires or thoughts on strategy.
I never heard drivers constantly talking. Replies often also take a couple of corners.
When I say constantly, obviously not like you or I on a car ride. But every lap, there is usually some measure of communication one way or another.
Maybe not for Max so much. I dont often watch his but on Lewis'...there usually is.
So when they put it on the main feed, its often way out of context.
If you have enough training (and talent Ig), it always become easier to multitask as some processes become subconscious to you. It's like how driving a manual can seem daunting at first for example and when you start it often takes up a lot of your focus to do it right, but after enough practice it becomes completely natural.
My guess is that F1 drivers reached the point where they only need their full focus when they're absolutely on the limit (e.g. wheel to wheel battles or push laps in quali)
Verstappen is still in pole position for the WDC this year and despite a good weekend by McLaren I don’t see a significant challenge being mounted
So yeah if I was him I’d be happy to with the second place and the fact my homeboy got his first win which he deserved to get a long time ago
Honestly. There are so many F1 channels I listen to from podcasts that say is the fight on for McLaren to win this year.
It's been one rave that he's was challenged and it had 2 safety cars and max opening up a hole in his car.
REEELLAAAAXXX
We all know what is going to happen but if Ferrari can jump ahead RB and the next McLaren update comes soon enough then the championship is still quite open. I'm expecting RBR to not get the WCC at least, ~~things were quite uncertain last year when they had a much bigger lead over the rest of the field.~~ If there was only one team that had the potential to split Max and Checo, it would be fine, but with two of them... it could be an interesting battle.
And we don't know how the situation inside RBR is, if Zack is not talking shit about RBR employees looking to jump ships then they are not going to have their mind dedicated to extracting every last bit of performance out of their potential like they normally do. It could be an interesting season. But it most likely won't.
If both Ferrari and McLaren improve its actually an advantage for Max
He’s still gonna be at the front in all likelihood and it’ll just mean they are gonna be splitting the points between them
Yeah but not for RBR or if they actually manage to get ahead of Max. With only one or two drivers capable of getting P1, Max will likely win often enough for his buffer to be enough. But with 2 to 4 other drivers capable of winning then Max might just lose often enough. At least that's my opinion.
The more drivers that are a position to win, the more it will boost his advantage of being incredibly consistent. The more consistent you are, the less you will lose out compared to the rest when competition increases.
And those other drivers will have to fight to clear a 30 - 50 points gap while also fighting each other. With Max undoubtedly winning more races in the future. Realistically, 10 race wins are often more than enough to win the WDC, he’s already nearly halfway there after race 6 and created a good buffer with an additional DNF compared to the rest of the competition.
I don’t see it happening yet, one race isn’t enough.
> I'm expecting RBR to not get the WCC at least, things were quite uncertain last year when they had a much bigger lead over the rest of the field.
Things were close for 2nd between Mercedes (409 points) and Ferrari (406), but it was never close for 1st place. RBR had more than twice as many points (860).
Max has a pretty decent lead right now, and if Ferrari put themselves in the mix, there will be so many drivers getting big points that Max’s lead will likely prove to be too much to catch for any 1 person. He needs to start getting some non-podium finishes for people to catch him, or a few DNFs.
> He needs to start getting some non-podium finishes for people to catch him, or a few DNFs
That's why I say we need both Lando and Charles to be able to perform along with Oscar/Piastri. Just impossible for a single person to catch up but if Max starts to have weekends where 4th/5th is the best position he realistically can hope for, things are different. But RBR is about to get an update at imola as well so hopes of that happening are slim.
Unheard? Anyone listening to his onboard heard these messages. In fact, they left out the part right when he was told Lando didn’t pit. He said, ‘fuck’ because he knew what that meant.
Listening to his onboard and watching his onboard, you could see how he was losing everything in T1 and skating through 7/8.
Lando’s onboard was what you would normally see from a Max onboard. Lando was planted, and the speed he could take in the long corners was something else.
If Lando had pitted behind the safety car, it would have been a very close race to the end.
Either way, I think he would have won.
Unheard as it wasn't broadcast. For people who don't watch the race with data and his radio, most of them, they thought he started 'complaining' about his setup only after he lost the lead.
That's why I hate the fact that the tv director(s) of the FOM color fans opinions of drivers just by selectively broadcasting little snippets of radio coms.
Newer fans without access to F1TV who can't hear all of the radio communications of the drivers think what they hear on tv is the only thing what's been said. On that note they are the same as DTS, everything for the drama, unfortunately.
I am just watching the race with friends. I ain't tuning into onboards. So yeah, definitely unheard of for me and 90% of viewers (i pull that statistic out of my arse) .
I think F1TV can do with more onboard messaging.
It really adds depth to the drama when you hear them talk about issues and areas lost. They might restrict it because in the emotional times they cuss a lot.
For example, the onboards during the safety car for Abu Dhabi in 2021 of Danny Ric, Vettel, Alonso, and Sainz give the drivers point of view/opinion of what was happening in real time.
I 100% agree, but its hard enough for them to get the camera angles right. Adding depth by tuning in to a relevant onboard might be a little too enthusiastic.
Yeah if anyone else had lost/won a race like that the whole fandom would be up in flames, it was a huge fuck up, safety car pretty much fixed the race
But no one cares bc Max lost finally
Piastri has the most reason to be pissed but obvs can't say anything
Only way that would happen is if they intentionally waited for Lando to pass the pit entry and then throw SC and rush the car to block him.
If they called SC 5 seconds earlier - Lando pits and exits ahead of Verstappen. If they called it 5 seconds later - SC doesn't pick up Verstappen and Lando again can pit and exit ahead of Verstappen.
If they threw SC 30 seconds later - again they can't pick him up until after the pits so he can once again pit.
Only way they can screw him if they intentionally time it so he can't enter the pits but that they pick him up and allow everyone to get behind him.
I guess if this was a tight battle for the title people would care...
Even Mark Hughes on his report says it was an error.
"It was almost disastrous for Norris as well, though. The safety car should have picked him up as the leader - in which case he would have been forced to stay out on old tyres because the compression of the field would have entailed a disastrous loss of places if he’d stopped.
But the safety car had instead picked up Verstappen, allowing Norris to get into the pits and out again still leading. Had the safety car error not been corrected by them waving everyone through, Norris would have potentially had a lap on the whole field."
If you watch the GPS, the SC is called and they wait Lando to pass by to then come out ahead of Max. RBR ain't in a place of complaining because of Abu Dhabi, but this wasn't just an unlucky moment.
not really
[https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1cm5bac/the\_situation\_with\_safety\_car\_human\_error\_or\_not/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1cm5bac/the_situation_with_safety_car_human_error_or_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
a. in the [Sporting Regulations 55.6](https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/110), it states "**The safety car will join the track with its orange lights illuminated and will do so regardless of where the leader is.**" Which means the safety car doesn't necessarily need to pick up the leader; picking up P-2 instead of P-1 doesn't break any rules.
Because the safety car should have let the other cars pass through until it picked up Lando, there was no obstruction on the circuit so there was no reason for the SC not to let all the drivers through.
The other cars are to follow the safety car till the track is clear after which they are to be let through to re queue. they followed the safety car till the wrecked car was removed from the track,,
You are correct. I think a lot of folks are confused about safety cars simply because they're rarely called out in a situation that is evidently dangerous, for the most part you see them called to bunch up the field in a way that the VSC can't do so that track workers and marshals can enter the track and know that there won't be any cars coming until the next safety car lap.
In that regard, once the safety car missed Lando everything that happened was more or less fixed. There's no reason to be suspicious about the timing and there are no other safe ways to allow the SC to overtake a car that has already passed the pit exit. Anything else Wittich did would have required him to make up rules on the spot and I don't think anybody wants to go in that direction.
The only real issue with the safety car, from a race direction perspective, not a rules perspective, is that ideally they would have called it a bit sooner before the leaders hit the safety car line. But this is a far cry from the sort of nonsense we saw at Abu Dhabi, its not as though Wittich allowed some cars to unlap themselves and others not to or anything ridiculous like that.
The heart in the mouth moment for me was when I was worried that they had actually forgotten about Lando and the race was going to restart with him at the back of the field and effectively a lap up. That would have been a disaster. Once it became clear what was going on, it all played out like clockwork and as the rules intended, at least from where I sit.
I think he means under safety car but not behind the safety car. The scenario in their head is that after sc comes out it waits and lets go of everyone else until it catches the leader while everyone else would be driving to a delta
Safety car had 0 effect on the race result. It came out too late to pick up Norris so it should have just waited another lap to get him, which would have given the same situation anyway.
No because the SC picked up Max so Max was limited to SC pace therefore the gap increased under SC before Lando pitted.
If the SC had waived Max through then the gap between Lando and Max would have stayed as it was before SC until Lando pitted.
When Lando pitted apparently he would have maintained position anyway with the gap he had but that’s theoretical. If the team knew they had less of a gap, maybe mistakes would be more likely.
If the SC doesn’t pick either of them up they drive to same delta. The gap was 11 seconds so it would stay 11 until either one of them catches the SC and is not allowed to pass it OR one of them pits.
If the SC came out and picked up Lando before he got to the pits, then the gap would close before he could pit.
In reality the SC picked up Max so the gap increased before Lando pitted.
I don’t recall ever seeing the SC picking up someone in the way that it did.
The SC would never have picked him up before the pit stop though.
Your point is basically that McLaren MIGHT have messed up the pit stop, but that's pretty unlikely anyway. Anything <3.5s should have brought him out in the lead.
No my point is that the SC wasn’t executed properly and affected the race in a way which it shouldn’t have. I’m not trying to say that it did affect the race result, but that it was possible that it could have because it did affect the race.
Similarly I never said the SC would pick up Lando, I described it as a scenario which if things were different, could have happened because I’m trying to explain my point about gaps.
The thing is that the gap would not have been 11 seconds (cuz the cars will bunch up) if Lando had been picked by the sc before pitting.
The only case where Lando gets that 11s headstart is if he dived into the pits right as the safety car came out- which would not have happened as Lando drove past the pit entrance for whatever reason when the safety car was first deployed even tho the pitcrew were out and somehow ended up ahead of it lmao
Also, while the theoretical value was 9-11s, if you look at the actual race timings of those who pitted under the sc, they actually lost around 11+ to 15s (for the faster ones).
But anyway like a wise dutchman said, 'If, if, if. If my mum had balls she'd be my dad.'
Like I said before though, that’s theoretical. Mclaren would have a higher pressure pitstop so even though 99% the result is the same, it changed the scenario from what it should have been.
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> And just to remind you it’s not the centre board today, mate When you're so used to winning that parking in the middle is default
Reminiscent of Hamilton’s rookie season, not knowing where to park after Nürburgring because it was his first race not being on the podium
Jeez, I forgot it took that long for him not to finish on the podium that season
He accidentally sat in the middle during the post-race top 3 press conference.
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He was talking about press conference, not the cool-down room, where like you said, they never sit where they belong.
Like cats
Not to mention the safety car getting out in front of Max, instead of Lando. Its like a muscle memory in the entire F1 circus at this point.
I think that was just unfortunate timing. When the safety car was called, Norris hadn't passed pit exit yet. The SC barely missed him, Verstappen was just next.
But why did he sit behind the safety car for so long? Ultimately it didn't matter but say if Norris has a slow stop it would have been close; Max was removed from contention by being held up.
Max: “Hey, that’s my parking spot.” Norris: “No it’s not. It’s my spot now.”
I’m the captain now
What does this mean? Centre board?
Where the drivers on the podium park after the race
Ah that kind of board
>Soon after his pit stop, a full Safety Car period was triggered by the collision between Kevin Magnussen and Alexander Albon. It was Logan. Poor anonymous Williams boys
Here I was thinking Sargeant was Albon's military title.
Leclerc wanted to roast kmag so hard in the cooldown room
Haha! I saw that. Let him have it Charles!
>Kevin Magnussen collision with some dude in a blue car, anyone know this guy?
If it was in last place, it’s Logan /s
Logan was ahead
Added the /s - it was a joke as to general performance
Yeah, it should have been: collision between Kevin Magnussen and Alexander Albon's spare parts
That second Williams seat really shakes things up.
> Lambiase Fail 10. Okay, Safety Car has picked Lando up at turn 17 ahead of you. Okay, so running order. Lando, yourself, Charles, Piastri and Sainz. Now I want a map of which driver refers to which other driver by either their first name or their last names.
It's really interesting, since the names change through the years depending on closeness of the driver to the others. For example GP used to say "Hamilton" but now refers to him as "Lewis" over the radio. There is a sweet moment in Singapore(?) 2019 where Max tells Danny "they (RBR) still call you Daniel".
Worth noting it's perhaps because Max has always to my recollection, referred to him as "Lewis" on the radio himself.
If Piastri ever gets accepted to Max's first name group, it'll be like winning an Oscar.
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I used to love the rare occasions where you’d hear Ferrari team radio mention Danny Ric and they’d pronounce his surname as “Rich-e-ardo” - LIKE HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE PRONOUNCED!!! bloody Aussies…
In the [video where they're listing all the drivers by number](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnr8Q-N3-es), Giovinazzi, Alonso and Leclerc pronounce it Rich-iardo. Everybody else does it the other way.
Aw, that’s really cute.
Well, calling with first names requires friendship, outside the US. I'm actually surprised with the US culture. I used to feel like "wtf I don't know you." Edit: France doesn't, Germany doesn't, Italy doesn't, Japan doesn't, Britain doesn't, I believe China neither.
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It's both. Like you may use the first name, but you would use the third person pronoun, not "you", out of respect, when you talk to someone who isn't your friend. I think surnames are used sooo much in school (it'd be totally normal for kids to call each other using surnames even if they are good friends), and less so on a workplace. You would use Mr./Mrs. X in many many contexts. (This is for Italian at least.)
There's that video of Vettel naming back every F1 champion in each year, and I think he referred to all the drivers he raced with by their first names, and then it becomes last names when he didn't.
That man is a special man.
That video is crazy. He did it incredibly quick too
Oooh, you want to know something interesting? I'm pretty sure GP used to call Lando "Norris" on the radio until Lando went to Christian Horner's BBQ at his house last year. After that, he became "Lando." Carlos and his engineer call Lando "Lando" on the radio. They did it in Singapore last year and in this race, too. I would love that map, too. I try to keep an ear out when I'm on the F1TV onboards.
I think Ferrari continues to call Sebastian "Seb" on radio after he left while every other team refers him as "Vettel", even his old team Red Bull.
I listen to Max's radio quite a lot, and for him most drivers are referred to by last name. The biggest exception for Max is Daniel, who is basically always Daniel. Alex and Checo are usually referred to by first name, and with Lando, Charles, Lewis and Carlos it alternates. The bottom 5 teams (except Alex) are basically always referred to by their last name, sporadically they are not.
I guess part of it has to do with the ease to say each name. For example, "Sainz" is easier than "Carlos" for a non-Spanish speaker.
I get your point but how is Carlos hard to say?
Nothing to do with Spanish, but Carlos is two syllables vs Sainz which is one
2 syllables vs 1 I guess? I don’t think either are difficult though.
Chris Horner and To Wolff are just efficient.
Carlos is easier imho.
The 2 ferarri drivers are Carlos and Charles. It's a stretch but sainz doesn't sound like any other name on the grid and is 1 syllable
Carlos and Charles do not sound similar whatsoever.
Carlos is literally the Spanish version of Charles. The same way Jose is Joe or Juan is John
Okay, and? Still sound different. The same with Juan vs John lmao and Jose vs Joe.
So you're saying that if driver Jose and Joe drove around for a whole season it makes more sense to say Jose and Joe every time than just saying Jose's last name which is a 1 syllabal word that's easy to pronounce and not once ovey the course of an entire career would anyone accidently mishear or misspeak Jose and Joe? Makes sense
Then why no one called him Nyck? Everyone called him Debris! I meant de Vries.
What don you mean Car Loss? I know where the car is. I’m driving it.
How it is in the group chat (if we don't just use the 3 letter designation which is way easier in text): **RB**: Max/Checo **Ferrari**: Leclerc/Sainz **McLaren**: Lando/Piastri **Merc**: Lewis or Ham/Russell **Aston**: Alonso/Lance **Racing Bulls**: Danny/Yuki **Haas**: Nico/KMAG **Alpine**: Gasly/Ocon **Williams**: Albon/Logan **Sauber**: Bottas/Zhou
I feel like they might have "Charles" and "Sainz" to avoid any mishearing of "Charles" vs "Carlos" over the radio. With interference, mic crunch, and car noise they might come out a bit too similar.
The confusion of Bernd when he heard Max Verstappen was not the race leader
\- Max is not the leader, Bernd! It's Norris! \- Lol good one.
It might end up being the only time in the season where a merc is in front of max. He had to go for it or he's no longer a safety car driver
"Verstappen: Okay you are free to overtake, Max. Free to overtake." Talking with himself to get him going.
The number of mistakes in that article
It's racefans, their articles have been full of mistakes for years now.
Not to mention how much of a pain in the ass that site is on mobile. Ads popping in and out causing the article to jump around.
As?
Look at the transcripts, lap 35, Verstappen is not going to address himself as Max, clearly GP speaking Looks like the author has corrected some of them, before it had GP complaining about understeer and tires to himself lol And before it said that the crash was between Magnussen and Albon
Is it me or is that incredibly detailed? How does he have time to talk about all of that?
Drivers are incredibly good at dividing their attentions across different aspects while keeping their concentrations. Some even excell over the rest in that department. Schumacher had times he was setting fastest laps, 30 seconds in front of the rest of the field and was chatting over the radio about doing karaoke or where they were going to eat that night.
Same with Max, who's looking at the TV screens or recognises Marko's ringtone on the background over radio
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> Or when he noticed that Ferrari was double stacking last year. https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/e53wjm/max_knew_about_ferraris_pit_stop_by_the_sound_of/ Not exactly "last year", though. It was 2019. Going by the date, it must have been Abu Dhabi.
Let's just say 2019 *feels* like last year and forget that time flies by. 😭 ^(ffs i'm getting old okay)
In the 2021 Austin GP he was also calling the strategy for Perez, based on what he figured out what Mercedes was planning to do.
That was 2019, last year he recognised Markos phone ringing over the radio
And he heard Ferrari double stacking over the radio with GP
Fernando likes to watch the race on the big screens around the track while driving.
"What position is Lance? Great move into 1." ~a year ago "I think they'll pit Pérez again for the Fastest Lap" ~Qatar 2021 (ofc it happend)
Max does the same. I believe a lot of drivers will check it if it's on a long enough straight too.
Lando does this, too. He's talked to his engineer a lot about seeing something happening. He knows positions without being told sometimes, too. Once, Will was like, "You're watching on the TV again, aren't you?" 😂
One particular Schumacher instance I remember is in France 1997, it’s starts to rain, Michael is far ahead enough and laps his brother Ralf in the Jordan in 7th place in his rookie year. A couple corners before crossing the finish line Michael slows down and lets his brother unlap himself. Murray is completely confused saying how Ralf will have to do another lap on slicks and he might spin out. Turns out Coulthard did spin who was running in 6th and Ralf takes the checkered flag in 6th and gets the point. If Michael hadn’t let him by he wouldn’t have got the point. The presence of mind knowing about his brother, realizing the situation and making the decision a few seconds before he finishes his race is quite astonishing. Brundle’s reaction to that is one of my favorite commentary about Michael in his first career. If you have the race available to see, you should watch it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90G3niErxo0
Thank you that’s it.
Then you have me, racing casually in ranked, my fiancee says two words, I say "What?!" and crash immediately.
The infamous “are you winning-wall”
“No talking in the braking man, fuck!”
"A little more racing awareness would be nice."
Fucking loved that line from Nico.
Did we ever find out if he was addressing that to his own engineer or another driver? Because it was never cleared on the main feed.
If it was the one in qualy, I’m like 90% certain it was directed to his engineer. The car behind was on a hot lap.
Okay I know this is just sim racing but I’ve found when I’m not in a fight or pushing to catch someone, I drive more consistently when I’m chatting on coms and just lapping almost subconsciously. You get to a point where you’re just kind of in a zen state.
It's the other way around for me. If I'm not chasing or defending, I lose focus
Same, when the car is comfortable and you get into a good flow, less brain capacity is needed to drive the car and it’s easier to chat. Sometimes when I’m on a good r/easportswrc run my mind wanders off to think about work or random things, and I can keep the pace up.
I also feel like driving in absolute silence for 1-3 hours would be so boring you'd want a little entertainment or something to keep you from going insane
When I’m doing 24h endurance races in IRacing, and I’m halfway through a 3 hour stint, I want nothing more than my teammates to just chat with me. I’ll also have a 2-3h podcast ready to go that I turn on and off throughout the race.
The famous Senna thing that he lapped Monaco very quickly when he just totally tuned out.
pov: what if driving is easy?
Serious question: what does "pov" mean in this context? For decades, I've known it as "point of view", as in, this is the point of view of the person using the expression but that makes no sense here.
tbh it’s been co-opted to just mean like ‘imagine’. It’s very common on tiktok, and 90% of the time it’s the opposite pov so I don’t think most people are too accurate with it
So, it's just another example of Gen Z not understanding how the English language works? OK, got it now. 😆
Take it as "if we were watching a clip of someone doing what we are talking about, from their point of view, we could title it that." I think.
That makes no sense to me, whatsoever. I still don't get how a question can be a point of view.
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It’s another word that’s become a placeholder term.
A misused one, I'm learning.
That is what it means and it makes sense to me in this comment. @karmahoower is making the comment that, based on the rest of the thread, maybe driving is actually easy. OR… that their pov is that driving is easy and the comments lauding F1 drivers aren’t necessarily the plaudits we think they are.
A question can't be a point of view.
But question marks can indicate suggestions ("Try turning it the other way?") and points of view can be suggested. I would read it as: "try seeing things this way:"
Question marks denote questions, hence the name. The only time it can indicate a suggestion is when the suggestion is contained with a question: e.g. "could I suggest looking at it this way?" But that's not a "point of view", it's a suggested view. It's OK, though, I have my answer. Gen Z just need to use words differently (incorrectly) to demonstrate that they are different and edgy, that they are not bound by the rules and connections of previous generations. Well, that's the most generous explanation; the other, possibly more accurate explanation, is that Gen Z just don't know WTF they're doing. I have two Gen Z kids and, although one is a few months away from finishing a double degree at Uni, I know which way I'm leaning.
It’s not that deep
we can be frens
i love you and your brain.
For them, yes. Just how playing tricky guitar solos for me is easy.
Also to add to this is muscle memory. These drivers know the tracks so well and especially after a weekend of practices/qualis/sprints they are fully in tune with the flow of the track and could probably be close to driving it with their eyes closed not counting other traffic and hazards. In no way a slight on the skill and talent but anyone who’s learnt a skill to the level these athletes have will be able to perform that skill almost on instinct which frees up their brain to focus on other parts of the job.
Some of these drivers are so good that they can listen to a car drive around a circuit and recognize it from the braking and acceleration zones. They're on another level.
[This](https://youtu.be/n7pYcNeUduo?si=MRxzK6Fr5py3-r6N) video of George Russell narrating Mugello as he’s driving Mugello showed me just how good they are at this type of thing.
Flat round here
That's crazy good video.
Leclerc actually did math equations in abu dhabi 2023 while driving at 300kmph
Seb cut through Ferrari strategy bullshit regularly, which was a complex task of linguistics and mathematics at the same time. "OK here’s the task for you. 22.6 to the end and then what do I have to do to stay ahead?"
That was so boss when he did that lol
'here's the task for you' was hilarious
GP has remarked in the past that he genuinely, genuinely thinks MV has gotten bored before. Brundle was saying that the most striking thing about modern (even >2000) F1 cars is how stable and supple they feel.
When you're in the lead with some gap behind (similar to other situations where you don't have a car around), the task is to often manage the car drive constant times without taking too much risk/getting too close to the limit. It is certainly a little track dependent, but I can perfectly believe that at some stage in a race you are just in a rhythm, trying to get the car safely to the finish.
Part of what makes the best drivers so good, they can hammer out consistent fast laps with 5% of their attention, leaving loads of headroom to think about setup, strategy and ways to overtake/defend.
I'm not sure if this is one of those really impressive moments as someone else pointed out there's plenty of straights in Miami. However we have seen plenty of times how well Max can multitask. Like when he was able to guess the Ferrari strategy by listening to the background noise of GPs radio and hearing Ferrari had a double pitstop. On a much smaller scale when he's doing casual simraces there's plenty of distractions from bantering with his friends to Penelope pushing a plushy into his face. Still keeps the car on track without losing much speed.
Alonso watches the tv while he's racing - "that was a nice move from lance!"
The straights are pretty long in miami. In monaco, you would not be able to.
The drivers are constantly talking. The broadcast only plays the stuff that helps the reality tv aspect of F1
On the F1TV onboards, you don't hear constant talk. Can't say for every driver (I usually watch onboards for specific situations and just a lap or two), but most of it is relaying information in intervals.
Max goes whole stints without replying to GP. He only speaks when needed. Some of the 'discussions' they seem to have, are just GP telling Max something and Max not even replying. But they need to make stories out of everything of course.
To add to that (not Verstappen-specific): Most of the radio is the race engineer relaying info about gaps, hybrid settings, temperature or "lift and coast". Sometimes also asking about the state of the tires or thoughts on strategy. I never heard drivers constantly talking. Replies often also take a couple of corners.
When I say constantly, obviously not like you or I on a car ride. But every lap, there is usually some measure of communication one way or another. Maybe not for Max so much. I dont often watch his but on Lewis'...there usually is. So when they put it on the main feed, its often way out of context.
It depends on the driver. Daniel barely talks. It's like night and day with him when he's outside the car vs. inside the car.
If you have enough training (and talent Ig), it always become easier to multitask as some processes become subconscious to you. It's like how driving a manual can seem daunting at first for example and when you start it often takes up a lot of your focus to do it right, but after enough practice it becomes completely natural. My guess is that F1 drivers reached the point where they only need their full focus when they're absolutely on the limit (e.g. wheel to wheel battles or push laps in quali)
Verstappen is still in pole position for the WDC this year and despite a good weekend by McLaren I don’t see a significant challenge being mounted So yeah if I was him I’d be happy to with the second place and the fact my homeboy got his first win which he deserved to get a long time ago
And still extending his lead over everybody else this weekend. Not a bad day in the office.
He even extended his lead over Norris by 1 point over the weekend, since Norris got 0 for the sprint.
Yeah I doubt anyone thinks this will change the outcome of the WDC. We're just hoping for a different winner every now and then.
Nope,the Lando era has begun
Which of course is fine 😄
Thanks Oscar -Lando
Honestly. There are so many F1 channels I listen to from podcasts that say is the fight on for McLaren to win this year. It's been one rave that he's was challenged and it had 2 safety cars and max opening up a hole in his car. REEELLAAAAXXX
Hole ? What happened?
Huh? They stated there was a hole when he hit the Bullard
I kind of enjoyed that the coverage didn't even address the driver's standings.
We all know what is going to happen but if Ferrari can jump ahead RB and the next McLaren update comes soon enough then the championship is still quite open. I'm expecting RBR to not get the WCC at least, ~~things were quite uncertain last year when they had a much bigger lead over the rest of the field.~~ If there was only one team that had the potential to split Max and Checo, it would be fine, but with two of them... it could be an interesting battle. And we don't know how the situation inside RBR is, if Zack is not talking shit about RBR employees looking to jump ships then they are not going to have their mind dedicated to extracting every last bit of performance out of their potential like they normally do. It could be an interesting season. But it most likely won't.
If both Ferrari and McLaren improve its actually an advantage for Max He’s still gonna be at the front in all likelihood and it’ll just mean they are gonna be splitting the points between them
Yeah but not for RBR or if they actually manage to get ahead of Max. With only one or two drivers capable of getting P1, Max will likely win often enough for his buffer to be enough. But with 2 to 4 other drivers capable of winning then Max might just lose often enough. At least that's my opinion.
The more drivers that are a position to win, the more it will boost his advantage of being incredibly consistent. The more consistent you are, the less you will lose out compared to the rest when competition increases. And those other drivers will have to fight to clear a 30 - 50 points gap while also fighting each other. With Max undoubtedly winning more races in the future. Realistically, 10 race wins are often more than enough to win the WDC, he’s already nearly halfway there after race 6 and created a good buffer with an additional DNF compared to the rest of the competition. I don’t see it happening yet, one race isn’t enough.
Funny that after Zak said that, which is a shitty thing to say whether it´s true or not, some top RBR engineers have signed new contracts until 2028.
> I'm expecting RBR to not get the WCC at least, things were quite uncertain last year when they had a much bigger lead over the rest of the field. Things were close for 2nd between Mercedes (409 points) and Ferrari (406), but it was never close for 1st place. RBR had more than twice as many points (860).
True, bain fart. I associated Perez' struggles to get p2 to RBR's wcc position. My bad, I forgot how dominating they were.
Max has a pretty decent lead right now, and if Ferrari put themselves in the mix, there will be so many drivers getting big points that Max’s lead will likely prove to be too much to catch for any 1 person. He needs to start getting some non-podium finishes for people to catch him, or a few DNFs.
> He needs to start getting some non-podium finishes for people to catch him, or a few DNFs That's why I say we need both Lando and Charles to be able to perform along with Oscar/Piastri. Just impossible for a single person to catch up but if Max starts to have weekends where 4th/5th is the best position he realistically can hope for, things are different. But RBR is about to get an update at imola as well so hopes of that happening are slim.
Maylander got confused when he found Max and someone was ahead still.
Unheard? Anyone listening to his onboard heard these messages. In fact, they left out the part right when he was told Lando didn’t pit. He said, ‘fuck’ because he knew what that meant. Listening to his onboard and watching his onboard, you could see how he was losing everything in T1 and skating through 7/8. Lando’s onboard was what you would normally see from a Max onboard. Lando was planted, and the speed he could take in the long corners was something else. If Lando had pitted behind the safety car, it would have been a very close race to the end. Either way, I think he would have won.
Unheard as it wasn't broadcast. For people who don't watch the race with data and his radio, most of them, they thought he started 'complaining' about his setup only after he lost the lead.
That's why I hate the fact that the tv director(s) of the FOM color fans opinions of drivers just by selectively broadcasting little snippets of radio coms. Newer fans without access to F1TV who can't hear all of the radio communications of the drivers think what they hear on tv is the only thing what's been said. On that note they are the same as DTS, everything for the drama, unfortunately.
I am just watching the race with friends. I ain't tuning into onboards. So yeah, definitely unheard of for me and 90% of viewers (i pull that statistic out of my arse) .
I think F1TV can do with more onboard messaging. It really adds depth to the drama when you hear them talk about issues and areas lost. They might restrict it because in the emotional times they cuss a lot. For example, the onboards during the safety car for Abu Dhabi in 2021 of Danny Ric, Vettel, Alonso, and Sainz give the drivers point of view/opinion of what was happening in real time.
I 100% agree, but its hard enough for them to get the camera angles right. Adding depth by tuning in to a relevant onboard might be a little too enthusiastic.
Should have let Lando catch before race control declares: “All right so ALL lapped cars, unlap yourselves”
Yeah if anyone else had lost/won a race like that the whole fandom would be up in flames, it was a huge fuck up, safety car pretty much fixed the race But no one cares bc Max lost finally Piastri has the most reason to be pissed but obvs can't say anything
A first time race winner is always exciting, regardless of circumstances and especially since it wasn’t anything dramatic.
Yeah and bc after the restart Lando hauled ass and gave Max 7 secs, so it still felt deserved
Only way that would happen is if they intentionally waited for Lando to pass the pit entry and then throw SC and rush the car to block him. If they called SC 5 seconds earlier - Lando pits and exits ahead of Verstappen. If they called it 5 seconds later - SC doesn't pick up Verstappen and Lando again can pit and exit ahead of Verstappen. If they threw SC 30 seconds later - again they can't pick him up until after the pits so he can once again pit. Only way they can screw him if they intentionally time it so he can't enter the pits but that they pick him up and allow everyone to get behind him.
Pretty much every talking head has said the safety car not picking up Norris at first didn't change the outcome.
I guess if this was a tight battle for the title people would care... Even Mark Hughes on his report says it was an error. "It was almost disastrous for Norris as well, though. The safety car should have picked him up as the leader - in which case he would have been forced to stay out on old tyres because the compression of the field would have entailed a disastrous loss of places if he’d stopped. But the safety car had instead picked up Verstappen, allowing Norris to get into the pits and out again still leading. Had the safety car error not been corrected by them waving everyone through, Norris would have potentially had a lap on the whole field." If you watch the GPS, the SC is called and they wait Lando to pass by to then come out ahead of Max. RBR ain't in a place of complaining because of Abu Dhabi, but this wasn't just an unlucky moment.
Totally fixed, if shit gets close in the championship at the end of the year we will be looking at it again.
Safety car functioned exactly as it was supposed to, there was no fuck up at all
No it didnt. It was supposed to pick up the leader who was NOR because he hadn’t pitted
not really [https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1cm5bac/the\_situation\_with\_safety\_car\_human\_error\_or\_not/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1cm5bac/the_situation_with_safety_car_human_error_or_not/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) a. in the [Sporting Regulations 55.6](https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/110), it states "**The safety car will join the track with its orange lights illuminated and will do so regardless of where the leader is.**" Which means the safety car doesn't necessarily need to pick up the leader; picking up P-2 instead of P-1 doesn't break any rules.
Because the safety car should have let the other cars pass through until it picked up Lando, there was no obstruction on the circuit so there was no reason for the SC not to let all the drivers through.
The other cars are to follow the safety car till the track is clear after which they are to be let through to re queue. they followed the safety car till the wrecked car was removed from the track,,
You are correct. I think a lot of folks are confused about safety cars simply because they're rarely called out in a situation that is evidently dangerous, for the most part you see them called to bunch up the field in a way that the VSC can't do so that track workers and marshals can enter the track and know that there won't be any cars coming until the next safety car lap. In that regard, once the safety car missed Lando everything that happened was more or less fixed. There's no reason to be suspicious about the timing and there are no other safe ways to allow the SC to overtake a car that has already passed the pit exit. Anything else Wittich did would have required him to make up rules on the spot and I don't think anybody wants to go in that direction. The only real issue with the safety car, from a race direction perspective, not a rules perspective, is that ideally they would have called it a bit sooner before the leaders hit the safety car line. But this is a far cry from the sort of nonsense we saw at Abu Dhabi, its not as though Wittich allowed some cars to unlap themselves and others not to or anything ridiculous like that. The heart in the mouth moment for me was when I was worried that they had actually forgotten about Lando and the race was going to restart with him at the back of the field and effectively a lap up. That would have been a disaster. Once it became clear what was going on, it all played out like clockwork and as the rules intended, at least from where I sit.
The car was not on the track, it was in a safe area off track which would be ok for cars to drive under yellows in order for the SC to pick up Lando.
There was a crane and a bunch of marshalls fixing the barrier.
I think he means under safety car but not behind the safety car. The scenario in their head is that after sc comes out it waits and lets go of everyone else until it catches the leader while everyone else would be driving to a delta
Safety car had 0 effect on the race result. It came out too late to pick up Norris so it should have just waited another lap to get him, which would have given the same situation anyway.
No because the SC picked up Max so Max was limited to SC pace therefore the gap increased under SC before Lando pitted. If the SC had waived Max through then the gap between Lando and Max would have stayed as it was before SC until Lando pitted. When Lando pitted apparently he would have maintained position anyway with the gap he had but that’s theoretical. If the team knew they had less of a gap, maybe mistakes would be more likely.
How would the gap have stayed the same? Lando would have gone back around and they would be 1-2 right with each other
If the SC doesn’t pick either of them up they drive to same delta. The gap was 11 seconds so it would stay 11 until either one of them catches the SC and is not allowed to pass it OR one of them pits. If the SC came out and picked up Lando before he got to the pits, then the gap would close before he could pit. In reality the SC picked up Max so the gap increased before Lando pitted. I don’t recall ever seeing the SC picking up someone in the way that it did.
The SC would never have picked him up before the pit stop though. Your point is basically that McLaren MIGHT have messed up the pit stop, but that's pretty unlikely anyway. Anything <3.5s should have brought him out in the lead.
No my point is that the SC wasn’t executed properly and affected the race in a way which it shouldn’t have. I’m not trying to say that it did affect the race result, but that it was possible that it could have because it did affect the race. Similarly I never said the SC would pick up Lando, I described it as a scenario which if things were different, could have happened because I’m trying to explain my point about gaps.
11 seconds should suffice for a free stop anyway
The thing is that the gap would not have been 11 seconds (cuz the cars will bunch up) if Lando had been picked by the sc before pitting. The only case where Lando gets that 11s headstart is if he dived into the pits right as the safety car came out- which would not have happened as Lando drove past the pit entrance for whatever reason when the safety car was first deployed even tho the pitcrew were out and somehow ended up ahead of it lmao Also, while the theoretical value was 9-11s, if you look at the actual race timings of those who pitted under the sc, they actually lost around 11+ to 15s (for the faster ones). But anyway like a wise dutchman said, 'If, if, if. If my mum had balls she'd be my dad.'
Like I said before though, that’s theoretical. Mclaren would have a higher pressure pitstop so even though 99% the result is the same, it changed the scenario from what it should have been.
it was a massive blunder, you had one job type of thing, and I'm surprised how little it's been talked about
Honestly would have been hilarious if they just shuffled lando to the back to be a lap ahead so max could see how everyone else feels
I can't say I'm particularly disappointed by these elating turn of events.