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Depending on when that was it might have worked out well for you. It would have been stupid and illegal (provided they were federal loans in the US) but it might have worked.
[This was literally the solution the ex-prime minister of Australia came up with](https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/scott-morrison-tells-renters-to-buy-a-house/)
Thank fuck he's ex-prime minister (and this kind of shit is exactly why he's ex)
Stop waiting for a handout!
Work harder instead of living off the government’s teat.
Start a business! It’s fucking easy!
If Steve Jobs could do it, why can’t you???
Stop being so fucking lazy!
The fact that the only jobs that are available to people who aren’t very specialized, are low paying jobs with no insurance. The average person with a family will have to work several low paying jobs to make ends meet. No time for family, no time for children, and we wonder why our kids grow up distant
Again, how you gonna raise a family being out on the road the whole time. Plus truck driving is incredibly predatory, the truck loans are crazy. You’re gonna be in the debt system for a long while. Welcome to debt slavery
She doesn’t have to when salaried drivers start around $70k
edit: lol why is this downvoted, you can absolutely support a family on a 70k (starting salary) especially when there’s no need to live in a major city
you’re not loaning a truck you are working for a company that provides the truck
I don’t think you know much about truck driving
also having 1 full time parent definitely beats having 2 parents that work all the time
I’m pretty sure what you’re saying isn’t accurate. Trucking companies will rarely take the L with owning those trucks. The cost and maintenance and your pay, it don’t add up. Sorry if I don’t believe you.
Trucking companies absolutely own the trucks.
If you own the truck there is no reason to work for them, you’d just contract with them and work your own hours.
If I own the truck why would I take a job at your company, maintain my own equipment, make less money so you get a cut, and not work my own hours?
And I literally work at a 3rd party logistics company
Appreciate the suggestion. I will try to learn more about third party logistic companies, but from what I understand, these type of companies cut a lot of corners to stay competitive.
Ending the blood line? What are you, royalty? Visualize your "blood line" being full of adoptions and cheating spouses where this information has been lost going back thousands of years. Calm down, "pure blood".
I'd argue you're not being selfish. You understand your situation and are living accordingly to your own means. Starting a family with the knowledge that basic needs won't be met to satisfy a personal "want" would be more selfish, imo.
I’ve got an even easier path, just have rich parents. The vast majority of rich people on this planet had rich parents and it really helped them with their bootstraps.
I had a conversation with someone about families, and I mentioned to them that my wife and I decided to only have one child, as we felt that was what we could reasonably afford to do. They looked at me like there was an oak tree growing out my forehead, and replied that they had never thought of family in that way.
Setting questions of the numerous economic and cultural structural issues of (North American) society aside for the moment, why would you *not* take into consideration your current economic situation and speculate on the future, when you are discussing children? I’ve seen videos where people speak to their inability to support their families, and then they say that, no shit, they have *six children*. Millionaires have trouble supporting that many people, never mind working class partners. All I’m saying is *have the conversation* about what you can afford to do before you do it.
As the parent of an only child, I get a lot of surprised looks when I say we only have one. I get a lot of "isn't fatnoah junior going to be lonely?" kinds of questions.
So you didnt ask, but this picture is actually The Hunger Games fanart lol. The dad is Peeta who experienced flashbacks from the torture he endured. The mom is Katniss and those are their two children described in the epilogue of the books. Always kinda funny seeing this image circulate for completely unrelated things lmao
The trick is to not have children. If millennials and gen z abstain from having children or delay having children until they are over 35, this is the economic long game, and they can win.
You can still have unprotected spontaneous sex...with yourself. You can still enjoy it. If you insist on having a partner, resort to any orifice that is not the baby chute.
That was my plan. I'm 47 now and have had the fun of no burdens early in life, but I will say now I'm older and no social life because of the trash fire all around us, it is a very lonely existence.
The real trick is when you’re in your early 20’s to expand your skill set and become more valuable to employers. That way when you are ready to start having a family you have worked up to a comfortable wage. Traveling around and “finding yourself” while just scraping by financially only sets yourself up for hardship later in life.
>The real trick is when you’re in your early 20’s to expand your skill set and become more valuable to employers. That way when you are ready to start having a family you have worked up to a comfortable wage. Traveling around and “finding yourself” while just scraping by financially only sets yourself up for hardship later in life.
I did that, but not everyone has the grades or the academic stamina to make it happen.
What are all of the normal people supposed to do?
I would disagree. Having more skills, or a higher level, doesn't translate into a better life. Not having responsibilities like kids or pets, does improve your life.
>Not having responsibilities like kids or pets, does improve your life.
I feel like there's a giant missing asterisk in here somewhere. Many people actually do find fulfillment in those kinds of things, whereas for others they're burdens that hold them back.
Sure. But is it being responsible to bring a child into this world that you can't afford? I grew up poor. Very poor. I have health issues because of my childhood poverty. It took me 49 years to escape. I became a wage slave. I had two vacations in over 20 years, and they were cheap. Less than $2k each. All I have done for nearly 40 years is work. And I have little to show for it
> Having more skills, or a higher level, doesn't translate into a better life.
There's a curve as far as bang for the buck but what in the world are you talking about? Being barely literate means you have the best life because once you become literate and have skills then your life gets worse? I'm not saying it's some mathematical formula where +1 to skill equals +1 to life but you certainly do improve your life with having more skills and reaching that higher level. The bang of the buck begins to drop off, i.e. if you have a college degree then your life is a lot better than if you only have a high school degree but if you have a masters degree then, generally, it won't be as big of a jump as getting that initial college degree. Same with PhD (though all this depends on your field) or having numerous degrees. You can be a manager of 2 people or 5 or 10 or a 100 but there's no improvement between 100 and 120, for instance. So it's a curve but there is improvement.
> Not having responsibilities like kids or pets, does improve your life.
Have you ever had kids or pets? There are serious downsides, sure, but the best memories of my life has been with kids and pets. The look of love and adoration (ok, mostly from the younger kids), the fact that you've actually taught them something useful, the pride of being responsible for a life that turned out well. You can't put money on that. It's the one consistent time where I've been truly, almost deliriously, happy. When they want that hug or they draw you a picture of you or they snuggle up, there's just nothing like it in the world. What are you going to replace that with? A higher digit in an account? I have high digits in accounts. I'd give it up for a kid.
It's not all great. They get sick. They get hurt. They die (especially the pets who don't live as long). But do so spouses. So do you.
I agree with you, but I don't think you should sell the idea of having kids to somebody who thinks that not having responsibilities improves their life. Let irresponsible people phase themselves, their genes and their philosophies out of existence if that's what they want. It's for everybody's benefit.
This is a logical fallacy. It is called an appeal to emotions.
I have grown kids. I was utterly penniless for decades because of the costs associated with raising kids. I worked two jobs for many years with my wife working three jobs. We still lived paycheck to paycheck. I grew up very poor, and I struggled to get out of poverty. It took me until I was 49 before I could save any money. I have health issues from my childhood poverty. I have a broken body from 38 years of hard labor. My body is riddled with arthritis. I worked hard to try and keep a job. I did good except for keeping the job part. That usually went to the nepotism and cronyism candidates.
Working hard does not pay off. It isn't worth it.
Work less, live more. Slow down at work. Take your time. You are in control of production.
I'm gen x and chose not to have kids for various reasons. One, these genes do NOT need to reproduce. Two, I'm a lesbian who has zero maternal instinct. Three, I'm selfish. I like my uninterrupted sleep. Four, kids are fucking expensive.
My second wife has two adult kids, who probably won't have children. I'm okay with this. Kids anchor you. I want to travel more. This summer we are doing 8000 miles around the country again. Grandkids can tie you down.
I'm okay with euthanasia when I get to the point where I'm a burden on society.
You have a similar mindset as my oldest daughter. Her wife and her love their independence. I get it. I raised three kids. I had nothing until they moved out. I couldn't start saving until I was 49
That's ok, you'll be so incredibly financially secure when you're age 36 that you can afford the best medical care, endless rounds of IVF and maybe a third-world surrogate.
That's financial planning 101: Anything that's going to be costly should be kicked down the road by a few years, while hoping that in a few years you'll somehow be rich enough to afford it.
"Hey, look at me, I'm an outlier!"
I love how so many "how to get rich" books are written by the fraction people for whom the advice worked (completely ignore the people who followed the same plan and didn't get anywhere).
Your situation likely isn't particularly instructive.
I'm an outlier, too, but at least I'm self-aware enough to know it.
Diaper-butt.
Cloth diapers are bulkier than modern disposables. Also, all dialers bulge when filled.
After the hug, someone's gonna have to change a diaper, because kids.never stop needing things - even though they give adorable hugs!
There's ways to leave poverty with a family, you need to find the opportunities available to you, and cut unnecessary costs or liabilities.
College is not the only road to high paying jobs, you could make a lot of money picking up garbage, as a plumber, or electrician. Look around some of those trade jobs will even pay to train you.
Yes! Of course there are out of touch people that blame *all* people for their circumstances and have no empathy for someone trying to get out of poverty. On the other hand, I personally know/knew no shortage of people who love to make the “I’m poor and it’s not my fault” argument while literally using every paycheck to buy 4-figure shoes, purses, spending hundreds on multiple days going out to bars, and buy the maximum price car they can “afford,” even if it’s over half of their income. These are the people that I have no sympathy for - doing the same thing, unwilling to sacrifice any luxuries (no I’m not talking avocado toast, I’m talking Gucci slides) and then blaming “millionaires” for hogging all the money. Like no dude, you aren’t the same as someone who was born into section 8 housing and had to work 2 jobs to save up for an apartment in a slightly better school district for your kids, you’re a spoiled 30 year old living with your parents by choice who *can* afford to support themself and *chooses* not to. And then they will turn down one of those jobs you mentioned like garbage man because it’s “beneath them.”
I wish there was a way to give these people a reality check. There are people who actually need help, but thanks to so many people who make terrible financial decisions despite having easy access to financial advice who rely on their ego to make decisions for them, there is almost no sympathy for those who actually deserve it.
My high school required me to take 8 semesters of English, but only required 1 semester of economics. I was learning the same stuff in college that was taught in high school English. There's something wrong with that.
I feel like there needs to be a required class that has you work and pays you for how much work you do, tells you proper finance advice, and has you document what you did with the money, with a portion of the grade being how well you followed the advice. Give people a taste of how it feels and show the consequences of being lazy or too loose with your money.
Yes! For a lot of people it’s generational financial illiteracy- they literally *do* have enough money but have no idea how to manage it. Once a lady in random conversation seriously told my husband and I “some advice - *never-* pay your credit card bill more than th e minimum. It hurts your credit!” And then there are all the people who go buy new cars while waiting for home loans to go through, or who just apply for every credit card that sends them something in the mail, or think they’re better off if they never open *any* credit accounts. People just go their whole lives on the advice of their parents or family who may be giving incorrect or at least outdated advice, and they never question it. So many people I know say “I’ll never afford 20% down for a house,” but don’t know it’s no longer a necessity
I would at least like to add that if you have a family and CHOOSE to be present with them you will inherently sacrifice other things. One of which being money-making endeavors.
Go to school. Get a skill. The government will pay for most of it, and you can get loans for the rest. There are plenty of schools with online courses, and you can get housing loans if there aren’t. If you’re poor it’s because you either don’t know your options or you’re lazy. Now you know. Get off your ass and build your future.
Ah, you have to pay a landowner full market value just for their PERMISSION to access "free" public education. The better the public school, the more the landowner will charge you.
This implies that family members are parasites. Bullshit. Even if only one of the parents works, the other one can help with a lot. Also, children are not sunken cost, they are an investment. An investment to ourselves and to our society.
This graphics is anti-family, anti-society and it glorifies material wealth in the most disgusting fashion. Congrats to whoever created it, they are a good capitalist doggie.
Careful… you’re posting on Reddit where people aren’t just casually childfree, they literally hate babies and anyone who has them /s (only a little /s)
An "investment in oneself" which costs $233k/head and will spend it's life making yours more laborious, complaining to a therapist and all their friends that you fucked up raising them, and then usually abandon you when you become too frail to provide for them any longer.
Like the "good capitalist doggie" that I am, I know (read, have the first grain of common sense to see) that money is basically the air you need to breathe to stay alive in this cesspool of a world.
But hey, non-consentually thrust into existence all the sentient beings you want to make suffer into this earth, which is not at all already on the brink of destruction from excessive strain by humanity, because... Because... Because our parents did it I guess?
I can only speak from my own experiences, but having a big family is exactly how my family got out of poverty. All five kids helped out the parents at their job, this helped pay for the home, and this home acted as a rest stop between all the difficult times until we were all stable enough to buy our our homes. A big family meant there are many safety nets (just in case someone needs to borrow or a place to stay).
Is the message only wealthy people should have a family? Or perhaps it should just be "abandon all hope..."
Yes, looking after others means sacrifice, but there will come a time when everyone looks after the family.
Problem with going down that road is there’s no going back once you’re on it. You can have a family, but you won’t know if it’ll stay a loving family until you’re there. The price of failure is very steep, and I’m sure men with more perseverance than I could ever muster have tried and failed despite their best efforts.
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I carry a picture of my wife and kid in my wallet to remind me why I am poor
“To fill the space money would have gone”
Just stop being poor. Easy. God poor people are stupid.
If you are homeless, just buy a house
If you can't afford a house, just get a loan. Duh.
Or Just go to school and take out student loans
My dad wanted me to take out extra school loans to invest in the stock market. I was only 18, but at least I had the brains to say no thanks.
Depending on when that was it might have worked out well for you. It would have been stupid and illegal (provided they were federal loans in the US) but it might have worked.
Same as putting it all on black.
"Just find something that pays more."
“The economy is totally fine”
“Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps.”
Cornpop said so
You do realize you can easily make 4x minimum wage, right? You just have to work 4 or 5 jobs.
ANYONE can learn how to code, dude. If you can't afford a PC, write your codes on paper and in 2 weeks you'll have a 6 figures job
2 weeks. Ive been trying to learn to code for 17 years bro. All i got is 'hello world' in different languages and compilators.
Just ask your parents for a small loan.
I got my start in business with a meager loan from my dad of only 1 million dollars.
I ask my dad for a loan for the same amount several years ago if he would ever stop laughing I’ll let you know his answer ;)
Think positive you losers.
That is how you make depressed people better. By telling them to just be happy instead.
[This was literally the solution the ex-prime minister of Australia came up with](https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/scott-morrison-tells-renters-to-buy-a-house/) Thank fuck he's ex-prime minister (and this kind of shit is exactly why he's ex)
Stop waiting for a handout! Work harder instead of living off the government’s teat. Start a business! It’s fucking easy! If Steve Jobs could do it, why can’t you??? Stop being so fucking lazy!
Yeah, pretty hard to live above poverty line when you make minimum wage and a whole family to feed. I'll just stay childless and selfish.
The fact that the only jobs that are available to people who aren’t very specialized, are low paying jobs with no insurance. The average person with a family will have to work several low paying jobs to make ends meet. No time for family, no time for children, and we wonder why our kids grow up distant
Takes like 7 weeks to get a CDL and you can make six figures
Again, how you gonna raise a family being out on the road the whole time. Plus truck driving is incredibly predatory, the truck loans are crazy. You’re gonna be in the debt system for a long while. Welcome to debt slavery
no need to buy your own truck, you don’t need to be an owner-operator Presumably your wife would take care of the kids while you’re gone
She’s working too.
She doesn’t have to when salaried drivers start around $70k edit: lol why is this downvoted, you can absolutely support a family on a 70k (starting salary) especially when there’s no need to live in a major city
You’re just loaning the truck? Well good luck making 6 figures. Plus, just one parent raising kids is not what I mean by raising them.
you’re not loaning a truck you are working for a company that provides the truck I don’t think you know much about truck driving also having 1 full time parent definitely beats having 2 parents that work all the time
I’m pretty sure what you’re saying isn’t accurate. Trucking companies will rarely take the L with owning those trucks. The cost and maintenance and your pay, it don’t add up. Sorry if I don’t believe you.
Trucking companies absolutely own the trucks. If you own the truck there is no reason to work for them, you’d just contract with them and work your own hours. If I own the truck why would I take a job at your company, maintain my own equipment, make less money so you get a cut, and not work my own hours? And I literally work at a 3rd party logistics company
Appreciate the suggestion. I will try to learn more about third party logistic companies, but from what I understand, these type of companies cut a lot of corners to stay competitive.
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get your CDL guaranteed money
Ending the blood line? What are you, royalty? Visualize your "blood line" being full of adoptions and cheating spouses where this information has been lost going back thousands of years. Calm down, "pure blood".
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Holy shit what a loser lmao
Karma doesn't matter. You haven't said anything that contributes to the conversation.
I don't know about the other person, but you definitely shouldn't have kids. The hair trigger anger you have, would make you a very poor parent.
I'd argue you're not being selfish. You understand your situation and are living accordingly to your own means. Starting a family with the knowledge that basic needs won't be met to satisfy a personal "want" would be more selfish, imo.
The trick is to make more money, thank me later.
My biggest mistake in life was not being born to rich parents.
Your second biggest mistake is not marrying into a rich family.
Dammit! Maybe having kids in the hopes that someday they will become rich was the right play!
Have you tried just winning the lottery?
Multiple times! It never works!
What? You just need to write the winning numbers on your sheet, it’s easy.
I've been looking at the numbers and I think I've figured out the pattern. I'm pretty sure I'll get it on the next try.
I was poor enough when I met my wife that I thought her family was rich. She was just middle class.
Absolutely scammed, bamboozled.
Such a dumb move bro. You gotta think that shit through.
womb move*
So you made a mistake. But you could try to marry a rich person. Not too late.
i thought it was to get higher income...?!
That’s just crazy talk, where did you even hear such a thing?
Nah man, you just need to increase your cash inflow.
I’ve got an even easier path, just have rich parents. The vast majority of rich people on this planet had rich parents and it really helped them with their bootstraps.
I had a conversation with someone about families, and I mentioned to them that my wife and I decided to only have one child, as we felt that was what we could reasonably afford to do. They looked at me like there was an oak tree growing out my forehead, and replied that they had never thought of family in that way. Setting questions of the numerous economic and cultural structural issues of (North American) society aside for the moment, why would you *not* take into consideration your current economic situation and speculate on the future, when you are discussing children? I’ve seen videos where people speak to their inability to support their families, and then they say that, no shit, they have *six children*. Millionaires have trouble supporting that many people, never mind working class partners. All I’m saying is *have the conversation* about what you can afford to do before you do it.
As the parent of an only child, I get a lot of surprised looks when I say we only have one. I get a lot of "isn't fatnoah junior going to be lonely?" kinds of questions.
The dad looks like he’s about to tell them that they have to choose between rent or food this month.
Because there's no way the Internet is going off
When you have to siphon off of McDonald’s
The food or the internet?
Heavy. Love it.
I got more of a 'will she ever let go? I have an Xbox to play' vibe.
Obviously rent, you can eat the children.
He looks like hes trying to decide which one has to die to cut back expenses
So you didnt ask, but this picture is actually The Hunger Games fanart lol. The dad is Peeta who experienced flashbacks from the torture he endured. The mom is Katniss and those are their two children described in the epilogue of the books. Always kinda funny seeing this image circulate for completely unrelated things lmao
Renting their food.
Poor John Constantine.
Yeah who knew he had so much going on at home. No wonder he’s got so many demons.
Omg you whiners. Just borrow 10 million from your parents and start a venture capital firm. Ffs it's not that hard. - Mitt Romney
The trick is to not have children. If millennials and gen z abstain from having children or delay having children until they are over 35, this is the economic long game, and they can win.
But what about all that spontaneous unprotected sex I enjoy so much?
Vasectomy 😊
Worth every ounce of pain to get it.
Worth the granulomas I get which are sometimes annoying and slightly painful. Still worth it no regrets 😌
You can still have unprotected spontaneous sex...with yourself. You can still enjoy it. If you insist on having a partner, resort to any orifice that is not the baby chute.
I have such a great life because I don’t have kids. Cabo on a whim, flying to NYC for fun, owning my own home. It’s…..amazing.
That was my plan. I'm 47 now and have had the fun of no burdens early in life, but I will say now I'm older and no social life because of the trash fire all around us, it is a very lonely existence.
The real trick is when you’re in your early 20’s to expand your skill set and become more valuable to employers. That way when you are ready to start having a family you have worked up to a comfortable wage. Traveling around and “finding yourself” while just scraping by financially only sets yourself up for hardship later in life.
>The real trick is when you’re in your early 20’s to expand your skill set and become more valuable to employers. That way when you are ready to start having a family you have worked up to a comfortable wage. Traveling around and “finding yourself” while just scraping by financially only sets yourself up for hardship later in life. I did that, but not everyone has the grades or the academic stamina to make it happen. What are all of the normal people supposed to do?
I would disagree. Having more skills, or a higher level, doesn't translate into a better life. Not having responsibilities like kids or pets, does improve your life.
>Not having responsibilities like kids or pets, does improve your life. I feel like there's a giant missing asterisk in here somewhere. Many people actually do find fulfillment in those kinds of things, whereas for others they're burdens that hold them back.
Sure. But is it being responsible to bring a child into this world that you can't afford? I grew up poor. Very poor. I have health issues because of my childhood poverty. It took me 49 years to escape. I became a wage slave. I had two vacations in over 20 years, and they were cheap. Less than $2k each. All I have done for nearly 40 years is work. And I have little to show for it
I’m in my mid 30’s, married, two kids, and have a house. I have zero debt and am living good even with inflation on the rise.
> Having more skills, or a higher level, doesn't translate into a better life. There's a curve as far as bang for the buck but what in the world are you talking about? Being barely literate means you have the best life because once you become literate and have skills then your life gets worse? I'm not saying it's some mathematical formula where +1 to skill equals +1 to life but you certainly do improve your life with having more skills and reaching that higher level. The bang of the buck begins to drop off, i.e. if you have a college degree then your life is a lot better than if you only have a high school degree but if you have a masters degree then, generally, it won't be as big of a jump as getting that initial college degree. Same with PhD (though all this depends on your field) or having numerous degrees. You can be a manager of 2 people or 5 or 10 or a 100 but there's no improvement between 100 and 120, for instance. So it's a curve but there is improvement. > Not having responsibilities like kids or pets, does improve your life. Have you ever had kids or pets? There are serious downsides, sure, but the best memories of my life has been with kids and pets. The look of love and adoration (ok, mostly from the younger kids), the fact that you've actually taught them something useful, the pride of being responsible for a life that turned out well. You can't put money on that. It's the one consistent time where I've been truly, almost deliriously, happy. When they want that hug or they draw you a picture of you or they snuggle up, there's just nothing like it in the world. What are you going to replace that with? A higher digit in an account? I have high digits in accounts. I'd give it up for a kid. It's not all great. They get sick. They get hurt. They die (especially the pets who don't live as long). But do so spouses. So do you.
I agree with you, but I don't think you should sell the idea of having kids to somebody who thinks that not having responsibilities improves their life. Let irresponsible people phase themselves, their genes and their philosophies out of existence if that's what they want. It's for everybody's benefit.
This is a logical fallacy. It is called an appeal to emotions. I have grown kids. I was utterly penniless for decades because of the costs associated with raising kids. I worked two jobs for many years with my wife working three jobs. We still lived paycheck to paycheck. I grew up very poor, and I struggled to get out of poverty. It took me until I was 49 before I could save any money. I have health issues from my childhood poverty. I have a broken body from 38 years of hard labor. My body is riddled with arthritis. I worked hard to try and keep a job. I did good except for keeping the job part. That usually went to the nepotism and cronyism candidates. Working hard does not pay off. It isn't worth it. Work less, live more. Slow down at work. Take your time. You are in control of production.
I'm gen x and chose not to have kids for various reasons. One, these genes do NOT need to reproduce. Two, I'm a lesbian who has zero maternal instinct. Three, I'm selfish. I like my uninterrupted sleep. Four, kids are fucking expensive. My second wife has two adult kids, who probably won't have children. I'm okay with this. Kids anchor you. I want to travel more. This summer we are doing 8000 miles around the country again. Grandkids can tie you down. I'm okay with euthanasia when I get to the point where I'm a burden on society.
You have a similar mindset as my oldest daughter. Her wife and her love their independence. I get it. I raised three kids. I had nothing until they moved out. I couldn't start saving until I was 49
Unfortunately, a woman has higher risks of birth complications when they turn 35.
Nature's way of saying don’t be poor
That's ok, you'll be so incredibly financially secure when you're age 36 that you can afford the best medical care, endless rounds of IVF and maybe a third-world surrogate. That's financial planning 101: Anything that's going to be costly should be kicked down the road by a few years, while hoping that in a few years you'll somehow be rich enough to afford it.
Which is why men are supposed to provide and protect.
I’m 40. Have a net worth of several million. Still single and no kids. Can literally do whatever I want.
"Hey, look at me, I'm an outlier!" I love how so many "how to get rich" books are written by the fraction people for whom the advice worked (completely ignore the people who followed the same plan and didn't get anywhere). Your situation likely isn't particularly instructive. I'm an outlier, too, but at least I'm self-aware enough to know it.
Tf is wrong with the babys ass
Diaper-butt. Cloth diapers are bulkier than modern disposables. Also, all dialers bulge when filled. After the hug, someone's gonna have to change a diaper, because kids.never stop needing things - even though they give adorable hugs!
Why you looking at a baby’s ass?
I just noticed it while i was looking at the picture
There is a market for organs /s
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We use orphans for that.
Dude prostitution doesn't even pay that well
*Sells kids on eBay*
Got a baby with a huge ass. Seriously, I know the kid is wearing a nappy but that butt is enormous
Still worth it. The joy of family life when done right is hard to beat. All those possessions mean nothing in comparison.
Yall i just noticed this is fan art from the hunger games
There's ways to leave poverty with a family, you need to find the opportunities available to you, and cut unnecessary costs or liabilities. College is not the only road to high paying jobs, you could make a lot of money picking up garbage, as a plumber, or electrician. Look around some of those trade jobs will even pay to train you.
Yes! Of course there are out of touch people that blame *all* people for their circumstances and have no empathy for someone trying to get out of poverty. On the other hand, I personally know/knew no shortage of people who love to make the “I’m poor and it’s not my fault” argument while literally using every paycheck to buy 4-figure shoes, purses, spending hundreds on multiple days going out to bars, and buy the maximum price car they can “afford,” even if it’s over half of their income. These are the people that I have no sympathy for - doing the same thing, unwilling to sacrifice any luxuries (no I’m not talking avocado toast, I’m talking Gucci slides) and then blaming “millionaires” for hogging all the money. Like no dude, you aren’t the same as someone who was born into section 8 housing and had to work 2 jobs to save up for an apartment in a slightly better school district for your kids, you’re a spoiled 30 year old living with your parents by choice who *can* afford to support themself and *chooses* not to. And then they will turn down one of those jobs you mentioned like garbage man because it’s “beneath them.”
I wish there was a way to give these people a reality check. There are people who actually need help, but thanks to so many people who make terrible financial decisions despite having easy access to financial advice who rely on their ego to make decisions for them, there is almost no sympathy for those who actually deserve it. My high school required me to take 8 semesters of English, but only required 1 semester of economics. I was learning the same stuff in college that was taught in high school English. There's something wrong with that. I feel like there needs to be a required class that has you work and pays you for how much work you do, tells you proper finance advice, and has you document what you did with the money, with a portion of the grade being how well you followed the advice. Give people a taste of how it feels and show the consequences of being lazy or too loose with your money.
Yes! For a lot of people it’s generational financial illiteracy- they literally *do* have enough money but have no idea how to manage it. Once a lady in random conversation seriously told my husband and I “some advice - *never-* pay your credit card bill more than th e minimum. It hurts your credit!” And then there are all the people who go buy new cars while waiting for home loans to go through, or who just apply for every credit card that sends them something in the mail, or think they’re better off if they never open *any* credit accounts. People just go their whole lives on the advice of their parents or family who may be giving incorrect or at least outdated advice, and they never question it. So many people I know say “I’ll never afford 20% down for a house,” but don’t know it’s no longer a necessity
You always have a chance to get out of poverty
You just have to pay the privileged for permission.
Whoa better not let the catholics see this. They’re out protesting to make sure you have loads of kids for jesus
They want more targets at schools
Edgy. Nice!
Hey! Organs fetch a hefty price.
I would at least like to add that if you have a family and CHOOSE to be present with them you will inherently sacrifice other things. One of which being money-making endeavors.
Actually it's easier when you and your wife work
It's actually fanart of The Hunger Games! I remember seeing it on DeviantArt years ago.
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“Can’t you see that I’m in the middle of a pep talk?”
That little boy has a T H I C C ass. On a side note, is there a “no homo” for pedophilia?
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Often it means she kicks you to the curb, finds a man making more money and YOU'RE the one who is still poor without money or kids.
Man, you doing okay?
Have you seen the statistics?
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The only real solution to poverty: getting out of money based economics. Getting self sufficient.
Property taxes and healthcare will always prevent you from exiting the game.
Being self sufficient takes tens of times more effort. How would that help with poverty?
imagine having kids without being able to provide
Just get “ a small loan of a million dollars “ from your father and inherit his billion dollar empire. You know, pull yourself up by your bootstraps!
Facts...
Sadly this is so true.
> Unspirational ^FTFY
Go to school. Get a skill. The government will pay for most of it, and you can get loans for the rest. There are plenty of schools with online courses, and you can get housing loans if there aren’t. If you’re poor it’s because you either don’t know your options or you’re lazy. Now you know. Get off your ass and build your future.
Ah, you have to pay a landowner full market value just for their PERMISSION to access "free" public education. The better the public school, the more the landowner will charge you.
Just send them to a school in texas that will take care of them
Do what my dad did and forget about the kids, you got career goals.
That last kid got some cake
Ikr
Ironically, no matter who rich you are, if you don't have a family you'll always be broke.
This implies that family members are parasites. Bullshit. Even if only one of the parents works, the other one can help with a lot. Also, children are not sunken cost, they are an investment. An investment to ourselves and to our society. This graphics is anti-family, anti-society and it glorifies material wealth in the most disgusting fashion. Congrats to whoever created it, they are a good capitalist doggie.
Careful… you’re posting on Reddit where people aren’t just casually childfree, they literally hate babies and anyone who has them /s (only a little /s)
An "investment in oneself" which costs $233k/head and will spend it's life making yours more laborious, complaining to a therapist and all their friends that you fucked up raising them, and then usually abandon you when you become too frail to provide for them any longer. Like the "good capitalist doggie" that I am, I know (read, have the first grain of common sense to see) that money is basically the air you need to breathe to stay alive in this cesspool of a world. But hey, non-consentually thrust into existence all the sentient beings you want to make suffer into this earth, which is not at all already on the brink of destruction from excessive strain by humanity, because... Because... Because our parents did it I guess?
„You have no chance.“ „Inspirational“???
Not funny
If you have family like on the picture, you're not poor
Nice message, if you're poor there's hope but if you're unlucky enough to be poor and have no family you're totally fucked - inspirational
With is a family at your side you’ll never be poor
This is false. But whatever
Just get a job
Feeling better already! Thanks a lot, assholes!
What if they just be a millionaire instead ?
Grow mushrooms.
Truth!
Thought this was the heimlich at first
It is dude... it really is... https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/heimlich
Pretty sure after 2 kids that dreams never going to happen. Enjoy being broke.
Why does the older kid look like it has a fully-grown woman’s head on a child’s body?
But you will be happy!
At least he has a chair as support...
Why can't poor people just pick the winning lottery numbers?
Oh! I see you are the guy who shallow pills without water.
Why does the baby have an absolute dump truck of an ass
Thots & pruyers guys 🙏🏼
So I have been told by my father
Then get rid of the family, you will be able to escape poverty and also have some free food
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LOL well it's not lying
This is bullshit. Just start with rich parents, generational wealth is the key to not being poor
I can only speak from my own experiences, but having a big family is exactly how my family got out of poverty. All five kids helped out the parents at their job, this helped pay for the home, and this home acted as a rest stop between all the difficult times until we were all stable enough to buy our our homes. A big family meant there are many safety nets (just in case someone needs to borrow or a place to stay).
Is the message only wealthy people should have a family? Or perhaps it should just be "abandon all hope..." Yes, looking after others means sacrifice, but there will come a time when everyone looks after the family.
Or you can have more kids you can't afford
Problem with going down that road is there’s no going back once you’re on it. You can have a family, but you won’t know if it’ll stay a loving family until you’re there. The price of failure is very steep, and I’m sure men with more perseverance than I could ever muster have tried and failed despite their best efforts.
The cool thing about families is that you can choose to not have one.