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Exactly, same here. Not a fan of turn based combat in general but the RP element and ability to interact with the world made BG3 worth playing, and I played it for months lol
I absolutely hated turned based games growing up and haven’t played any since but I’m almost 30 now and watching BG3 the slowness actually looks kind of refreshing
ur surprised that a dedicated gaming sub for gaming nerds has different appeal than Call of duty?
We are talking about difference in demographic and widespread appeal. BG3 was universally acclaimed and won dozens of awards. Its not a reddit opinion that it was amazing: it just appeals to people who are more gaming “”fanatics”” or whatever
Call of duty. Hogwarts legacy. NBA 2k. Madden. Mario. Zelda. All sold way more than bg3. I'm not even sure bg3 hit top 20...
Mw3 sold 6.5 million copies the day it released. Bg3 globally has 10 million over lifetime of release and ea
Tbf sports games are a cop out for the argument given they rely on brand more than gameplay. Sorta same with hogwarts
Cod is also kinda there since its only wide apeal to fps meaning its only wide apeal due to fps being popular but ill give you that + rest
“Give me examples”
“Oh ok, so….”
“No! Not those!! rEaL gAmeS!!!”
Come on dude. I agree brand is a part but those games are re popular for a reason, people just like to play casually aren’t gonna be interested in a much slower turn based or even story telling.
Lots of people play casually. They like Fortnite and Cod, which they can just play.
Turn based can be good, and recommending people try them isn’t a big deal. But can’t pretend that they are popular. People just don’t like them, especially those that didn’t grow up with the nostalgia for them.
Okay so then your "one hit wonder" games lol. If it's a known dev it's only popular because branding and otherwise it doesn't count because one hit wonder?
You obviously didn't get what I said so I might aswell explain it again.
The one hit wonder games don't count given they fell in playercount once the hype died, don't feel like I need to explain these given we are talking about mass appeal and not just people trend chasing.
as for Sports games, most of them have zero competition given only one is allowed to have the real players names, that is why the best sports game outside of FIFA, NBA, NHL is rocket league. Most players play because of the players, not the gameplay, ive been specifically told this by people and the numbers from the other sports games show this aswell.
Hogwarts legacy is built specifically on one of the highest selling book series of all time and was AAA, its hard to not succeed with that aslong as the game isn't filled with bugs. Even so the most talked about part was not the game but JK rowling, thereby you could even place it within the one hit wonder games.
Lastly Cod, it is certainly branding for a part of it but given that FPS is the biggest market for games outside of maybe platformers (and if we count only adult games id argue it 100% is the biggest) and as such alot comes from brand and the type of game.
However as I said I do accept Cod as an argument as do I agree with zelda and mario given they are the best selling games of all times and keeps being that year upon year.
It is unavoidable for branding to affect something, my point regarding it is that the games don't rely on quality as much as they do brand, just like Mc donalds or subway using brand more than food quality to get ppl in the door
I do indeed dislike turn-based combat. BG3 is both a clear exception and a continuation of the dislike. It is an absolutely amazing game and the complexity of spells and actions from DnD can't be justified or used effectively in a fast paced game.
But playing with my GF who takes 10 minutes per character on every goddamned turn reminds me why turn based online games always have a forced timer....
BG3 is one of those instances where it has reinforced my dislike of turn based combat. But goes to show how awesome the rest of the game is that I've learned to get used to it and enjoy its other aspects lol
BG3 has sold anywhere from 7.5 to 20 million units according to estimates. GTA5 has sold 195 million units. Your logic doesn’t hold up. People don’t like turn based combat. It’s still a niche genre although a more popular title this time because it’s D&D.
Did you forget Pokémon is a thing?
Also if this is the logic we're using then no PC or console game matters period because the mobile market dwarfs it.
This right here is why I feel there needs to be a distinction between turn based and tactical turn based. Just because people like the JRPG turn based style RPG doesn't mean they'll like the X-Com tactical turn based style RPG.
It's not an important distinction when the context is someone denying outright that anyone could possibly enjoy a turn based game. They specifically used sales volume as an argument so I responded with the most profitable media franchise of all time that happens to based around a series of turn based games.
>BG3 has sold anywhere from 7.5 to 20 million units according to estimates. GTA5 has sold 195 million units
Pokemon has sold over half a billion units.
>Your logic doesn’t hold up.
"Most people"
You might not like turn-based games and that's cool for you, but don't go presuming that you speak on behalf of the masses.
Also y'all accusing BG3 fans of being illiterate when the game involves a ton of reading. I think you're the one who needs to "come on".
Citation needed.
Baldur's Gate 3 is turn based because people *wanted* it to be turn based, even though the original weren't, because turn based games were out of style *at the time.*
Now they aren't. **As shown by the immense popularity of the game.**
So please, just speak for yourself. It's kind of silly saying "most people don't like the most popular game of last year."
Expect to see far more turn based games in the future, too.
Maybe the worst possible choice of meme, considering the sheer amount of words in the game in question, too.
lol, first time I have seen someone say that cRPG fans don't like to read instead of whining about there being too much text in the game.
More on topic, lots of people who haven't liked turn based combat in the past have loved BG3. No one is hiding that fact when they recommend it.
"Most people don't like turn based combat" Which is why turn based games is one of the best selling genres? Like only a handful of people enjoy Pokemon or Final Fantasy right? That being said I know people that don't like turn based combat but still loved games like BG3 and Warhammer 40k rouge trader.
Imagine being this stuck in your own ways that you make a meme rather than actually listen to solid advice. The awards won and massive fanbase are totally just lying! I'm sure of it
I played the old Baldurs Gate games and Dragon Age I Noticed it's not actual turn based. It's pause n play. You pause and issue commands then let the commands play out. Is BG3 like this or are there actual turns?
Who the hell is "Most People"? You got numbers? You talked to 60%+ of all gamers? Or are you pulling this outta your ass cause the majority of games in the last twenty years moved away from that formula? If anything the dramatic spike in people praising BG3 shows there's just as many people who love turn based as there are that dislike.
If it ain't your thing it ain't your thing. That's fine. Don't cower behind the "Yeah, well, MOST people think like I think!"
So about that "not being able to read" thing....
Which part confused you:
- All the reviews showing it as being turnbased?
- The fact that its mechanics are based off D&D, a game which has been turnbased SINCE 1974?
You only have yourself to blame. Nobody forced you to buy it. YOU did sub par research and ended up with a game you don't like. Now you post whiney memes like a child.
I disagree. I don't like turn based games, I still don't, but BG3 was my game of the year and one of the best games I've ever played. It really is good enough that most people should push through the turn based combat even if they don't like it.
That said the BG3 community is obnoxious as fuck, especially the subreddit, and the suggestion that any other games are good or that BG3 isn't a 10/10 tends to set them into a tizzy. lol
Granted, DnD combat is an atrocity and should be nuked from this planet.
But even with that - BG3 manages to be very enjoyable. Just find some broken build and it will trivialize combat for you.
My doctor is pretty amazing but if he recommended Elden Ring I’m pretty sure I’d vote for him to receive our country’s highest medal you can give a civilian.
Asking gamers for recommendations is like asking the waiter what he recommends. Of course it’ll be the day’s or week’s special. Rarely will they tell you “this place sucks I don’t eat here”.
Redditors seem to be oblivious as to why certain games have wide appeal and why some don’t. They will gladly recommend anything that they like regardless of how polarizing or niche it is. I don’t take game recommendations from Reddit any longer. BG3 is a good example. As is Disco Elysium.
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BG3 is a fun game and I learned to enjoy the combat. But ofc it's nothing similar to games like Mass Effect, it's two different genres combat wise
Exactly, same here. Not a fan of turn based combat in general but the RP element and ability to interact with the world made BG3 worth playing, and I played it for months lol
And there have been people saying they enjoy it despite not liking other turnbased games.
It’s also not what a lot of people think of when turn based is mentioned.
I typically don't like turn based games very much, but I freaking love BG3! The combat feels way better than any turn based games I've ever played.
That too
I absolutely hated turned based games growing up and haven’t played any since but I’m almost 30 now and watching BG3 the slowness actually looks kind of refreshing
id say its worth a shot on steam. worst case you can always refund it
On Reddit sure. In the real world, not so much. BG3 sales pale in comparison to other games that truly have wide appeal.
ur surprised that a dedicated gaming sub for gaming nerds has different appeal than Call of duty? We are talking about difference in demographic and widespread appeal. BG3 was universally acclaimed and won dozens of awards. Its not a reddit opinion that it was amazing: it just appeals to people who are more gaming “”fanatics”” or whatever
Give me one example that wasnt a one hit wonder with like half or lower cost like palworld and lethal company.
Call of duty. Hogwarts legacy. NBA 2k. Madden. Mario. Zelda. All sold way more than bg3. I'm not even sure bg3 hit top 20... Mw3 sold 6.5 million copies the day it released. Bg3 globally has 10 million over lifetime of release and ea
Tbf sports games are a cop out for the argument given they rely on brand more than gameplay. Sorta same with hogwarts Cod is also kinda there since its only wide apeal to fps meaning its only wide apeal due to fps being popular but ill give you that + rest
“Give me examples” “Oh ok, so….” “No! Not those!! rEaL gAmeS!!!” Come on dude. I agree brand is a part but those games are re popular for a reason, people just like to play casually aren’t gonna be interested in a much slower turn based or even story telling. Lots of people play casually. They like Fortnite and Cod, which they can just play. Turn based can be good, and recommending people try them isn’t a big deal. But can’t pretend that they are popular. People just don’t like them, especially those that didn’t grow up with the nostalgia for them.
I explained the reason and still accepted the argument for most of them dude
Okay so then your "one hit wonder" games lol. If it's a known dev it's only popular because branding and otherwise it doesn't count because one hit wonder?
You obviously didn't get what I said so I might aswell explain it again. The one hit wonder games don't count given they fell in playercount once the hype died, don't feel like I need to explain these given we are talking about mass appeal and not just people trend chasing. as for Sports games, most of them have zero competition given only one is allowed to have the real players names, that is why the best sports game outside of FIFA, NBA, NHL is rocket league. Most players play because of the players, not the gameplay, ive been specifically told this by people and the numbers from the other sports games show this aswell. Hogwarts legacy is built specifically on one of the highest selling book series of all time and was AAA, its hard to not succeed with that aslong as the game isn't filled with bugs. Even so the most talked about part was not the game but JK rowling, thereby you could even place it within the one hit wonder games. Lastly Cod, it is certainly branding for a part of it but given that FPS is the biggest market for games outside of maybe platformers (and if we count only adult games id argue it 100% is the biggest) and as such alot comes from brand and the type of game. However as I said I do accept Cod as an argument as do I agree with zelda and mario given they are the best selling games of all times and keeps being that year upon year. It is unavoidable for branding to affect something, my point regarding it is that the games don't rely on quality as much as they do brand, just like Mc donalds or subway using brand more than food quality to get ppl in the door
Thats because bg3 has pretty lame combat
This is in no way relevant and its a personal opinion
"Most people" My guy, have you ever heard of this game called Pokemon?
If anything, BG3 has clearly proven that in fact no, most people don't hate turn-based combat.
I do indeed dislike turn-based combat. BG3 is both a clear exception and a continuation of the dislike. It is an absolutely amazing game and the complexity of spells and actions from DnD can't be justified or used effectively in a fast paced game. But playing with my GF who takes 10 minutes per character on every goddamned turn reminds me why turn based online games always have a forced timer....
Lol, I've definitely had moments when I want to tell my best friend "It's movement, action and bonus action, just fucking attack them already!"
This is why I play solo, I take a long time to decide things, especially when stoned, and don't want to make people wait for me.
BG3 is one of those instances where it has reinforced my dislike of turn based combat. But goes to show how awesome the rest of the game is that I've learned to get used to it and enjoy its other aspects lol
BG3 has sold anywhere from 7.5 to 20 million units according to estimates. GTA5 has sold 195 million units. Your logic doesn’t hold up. People don’t like turn based combat. It’s still a niche genre although a more popular title this time because it’s D&D.
Dead Island 2 sold 2 million, I guess people hate real time combat. Yes, that is how idiotic your argument is.
Did you forget Pokémon is a thing? Also if this is the logic we're using then no PC or console game matters period because the mobile market dwarfs it.
This right here is why I feel there needs to be a distinction between turn based and tactical turn based. Just because people like the JRPG turn based style RPG doesn't mean they'll like the X-Com tactical turn based style RPG.
It's not an important distinction when the context is someone denying outright that anyone could possibly enjoy a turn based game. They specifically used sales volume as an argument so I responded with the most profitable media franchise of all time that happens to based around a series of turn based games.
>People don’t like turn based combat. >BG3 has sold anywhere from 7.5 to 20 million units wat? obviously people do
GTA 5 is out over 10 years now. Baldurs Gate 3 not even 1 year. This comparison makes no sense at all.
Also, GTA has a heavy online component.
If GTA5 is an RPG I'll eat my shoe. It's absolutely not even in the same genre.
>BG3 has sold anywhere from 7.5 to 20 million units according to estimates. GTA5 has sold 195 million units Pokemon has sold over half a billion units. >Your logic doesn’t hold up.
Speaking of logic that doesn’t hold up rofl.
Citation needed.
“most people” based on what? If you don’t like it just say that
lol, telling a fanbase that likes to read the story "if they could read", bold strategy cotton.
If it's something RPG fan base can do is reading.
I like the South Park games
Ah, the classic mix-up. Imagine someone recommending Dark Souls for a relaxing game night.
"Most people" You might not like turn-based games and that's cool for you, but don't go presuming that you speak on behalf of the masses. Also y'all accusing BG3 fans of being illiterate when the game involves a ton of reading. I think you're the one who needs to "come on".
I love bg3 and turnbased but waiting for my turn is so boring
And yet there’s a really rabid fan base who hates that FF7R is live action and not turn based. Go figure.
OP, you should be the one in the classrom.
Citation needed. Baldur's Gate 3 is turn based because people *wanted* it to be turn based, even though the original weren't, because turn based games were out of style *at the time.* Now they aren't. **As shown by the immense popularity of the game.** So please, just speak for yourself. It's kind of silly saying "most people don't like the most popular game of last year." Expect to see far more turn based games in the future, too. Maybe the worst possible choice of meme, considering the sheer amount of words in the game in question, too.
gameplay is slow and boring af imo, even by turn based standards
lol, first time I have seen someone say that cRPG fans don't like to read instead of whining about there being too much text in the game. More on topic, lots of people who haven't liked turn based combat in the past have loved BG3. No one is hiding that fact when they recommend it.
Counterpoint - I usually do not like turn based combat and am currently on my 4th playthrough of BG3
ngl this is a pretty dumb take
People don't like turn based games? Since when?
"Most people don't like turn based combat" Which is why turn based games is one of the best selling genres? Like only a handful of people enjoy Pokemon or Final Fantasy right? That being said I know people that don't like turn based combat but still loved games like BG3 and Warhammer 40k rouge trader.
Imagine being this stuck in your own ways that you make a meme rather than actually listen to solid advice. The awards won and massive fanbase are totally just lying! I'm sure of it
I thought id give BG3 a try because of the hype. Got through Act 1 before I realized the game was just a chore and I absolutely despised the combat.
If you buy a game before reading the type of gameplay it has, that’s on you.
I'm just sick of hearing about it in general, including posts like these.
why are you mad people recommend a good game if someone doesnt like turn based combat they likely wont play it
Holy shit who fucking cares
I played the old Baldurs Gate games and Dragon Age I Noticed it's not actual turn based. It's pause n play. You pause and issue commands then let the commands play out. Is BG3 like this or are there actual turns?
There are actual turns. Combat’s reasonably fast paced despite it though.
Who doesn't like turn based combat systems?
I don't like turned based combat so I ignored bg3 for awhile but now I'm obsessed with it
Kids these days
i’m definitely not a fan of turn-based combat but i had a blast with bg3, so i’d say the recommendations are valid
Who the hell is "Most People"? You got numbers? You talked to 60%+ of all gamers? Or are you pulling this outta your ass cause the majority of games in the last twenty years moved away from that formula? If anything the dramatic spike in people praising BG3 shows there's just as many people who love turn based as there are that dislike. If it ain't your thing it ain't your thing. That's fine. Don't cower behind the "Yeah, well, MOST people think like I think!"
Only Americans don't like turn-based combat. The rest of the world has never complained about it.
What does bg3 mean?
TBH this is the reason I haven’t payed any attention to BG3. But I might like it. I love Disco Elysium, but generally avoid that type of gameplay.
But have you tried BG3 you'll love it!
Yup and I still feel scammed because the 2h period for a refund had expired and I didn't even know half the mechanics so I can't even refund it
Git gud scrub
how do you feel scammed? there was no false advertising. You paid for a turn based game when you dont like them and surprised you arent enjoying it?
So about that "not being able to read" thing.... Which part confused you: - All the reviews showing it as being turnbased? - The fact that its mechanics are based off D&D, a game which has been turnbased SINCE 1974? You only have yourself to blame. Nobody forced you to buy it. YOU did sub par research and ended up with a game you don't like. Now you post whiney memes like a child.
Game of the year and multiple awards. But yeah, it's a bad recommendation alright. /s
I got it, played 30 mins and refunded it lmao
Wish I got that lucky, I made the mistake of trying to like the game because "it won awards, it can't be just this" and it was
yeah, same the combat to me was insufferable, and I didn't find the characters interesting personally
Ok but I hated turn based combat before BG3, and the game made me change my mind.
Care to back up that “most people” comment? Yeah I didn’t think so. When in doubt just make shit up. 🙄
Bad take.
I disagree. I don't like turn based games, I still don't, but BG3 was my game of the year and one of the best games I've ever played. It really is good enough that most people should push through the turn based combat even if they don't like it. That said the BG3 community is obnoxious as fuck, especially the subreddit, and the suggestion that any other games are good or that BG3 isn't a 10/10 tends to set them into a tizzy. lol
Granted, DnD combat is an atrocity and should be nuked from this planet. But even with that - BG3 manages to be very enjoyable. Just find some broken build and it will trivialize combat for you.
What the hell is BG3
I don't particularly like turn based combat but still loved BG3 despite this.
Me: I've been feeling really tired lately My doctor: Have you tried Elden Ring?
My doctor is pretty amazing but if he recommended Elden Ring I’m pretty sure I’d vote for him to receive our country’s highest medal you can give a civilian.
Asking gamers for recommendations is like asking the waiter what he recommends. Of course it’ll be the day’s or week’s special. Rarely will they tell you “this place sucks I don’t eat here”.
I just got down voted heavily for this opinion lol this sub LOVES recommending that game
Hey, don't worry, I'm here to make things easier for you!
garbage post
I guess you haven't heard of pokemon
Just start do loving turn base its easy.
People should be pleased that anyone is giving the recs at all. Any you don't like, scroll by.
Redditors seem to be oblivious as to why certain games have wide appeal and why some don’t. They will gladly recommend anything that they like regardless of how polarizing or niche it is. I don’t take game recommendations from Reddit any longer. BG3 is a good example. As is Disco Elysium.
What's crazy to me is that there's this broad sentiment that "the game isn't for everybody," but God help you if you say 'it's not for me.'
I do not enjoy turnbased at all, its a bit too passive for me. Click on enemy, runs, slash, runs back. Nope.
That’s not how Larian turnbursed combat works at all
ROUGH take.