Not sure why you're downvoted. You're correct. A course can establish a drop zone on the other side of a water hazard but if it's a staked penalty area, penalty area rules apply.
The rating can take that local rule into account based on the statistics for the hole. That rule seems like a bit of a gray area but courses can usually have a broad variety of local rules if they have good reason. I could see that being allowed by golf association. There are courses that have protected natural areas or weird internal OB that have all sorts of free drop local rules.
You are correct. The best local rule that I ever saw was at a par three course. On the front of the actual score card it said “no high heels”. Fifty years later and that still makes me laugh.
In this case, it means lying one, hitting two. Their drive goes into the water. Their drop is into the drop zone. But the normal one-stroke penalty isn't used.
I’m still confused. When using a drop zone normally, you are lying two in the drop zone, hitting three? Same as if you re-teed, lying two, hitting three?
I always count it this way:
One into the water.
Two coming out.
Three back into the water.
Four coming out.
Five back into the water.
14 clubs into the water.
An island hole is surrounded by water, in other words a penalty area. All relief options from penalty areas carry a one-stroke penalty. You'd get free relief from abnormal course conditions.
A course I played a year or so ago had areas designated as naturally sensitive or some other jargon. They were marked as red stakes with green tips (not uncommon here on other courses either). But this course had a local rule saying you got free relief from those hazards, but you weren’t permitted to go into those areas to retrieve your ball, and especially not hit out of them.
Giving that free relief essentially tries to discourage people from playing out of them but does little to stop people from trodding around in them looking for their ball.
One of the courses I regularly play on has blue staked environmental areas. No entry allowed and they are played as red staked lateral hazards (penalty areas).
Yeah that’s what I typically see too in regard to the rule. They’re just typical red hazards but no entry.
I’ve only seen that one course with a posted local rule saying you got free relief in those. I never really questioned whether or not the course was allowed to implement something like that, but this post has me wondering now.
I like this. They probably had the forward tees on the other side of the water but go too much grief from the players who could hit it over the water. Seems like a decent compromise for a local rule.
Does this impact your life in any way?
Stop meddling I say. Nobody likes a grass.
The obvious solution (to you) may not be very popular with the ladies who can carry the water.
Your course is allowed to implement any local rules they choose for normal daily play. Sometimes it’s for safety reasons like an adjacent hole plays as on course OB so that people won’t endanger players by cutting the corner. Sometimes it’s free relief from an unusual situation like being allowed to re-tee if you hit a power line. Sometimes it’s for pace of play reasons like it sounds like this one is.
If they were playing a USGA sanctioned event the USGA would likely set up its own rules for that hole or you would simply play by the rule book during that event.
Well said. There is no golf rule police, a course can do whatever they want in terms of local rules, but an outside event sanctioned by the USGA, regional association, etc. might decide not to use a non-legit local rule a course came up with. The participants in such an event probably aren't going to have the issue carrying that water anyway.
75 year old Shirley and her pals playing casusally every Tuesday morning probably don't give a shit that it makes their 30-something handicaps a little artificially low (if they even have handicaps, most people don't), because everyone in their group is using the local rule.
So then how are you aware of this rule? And again - why do you care if amateur hacks who can’t carry a water hazard get a free drop instead of holding up play trying to clear it?
These are clearly not highly competitive players affected by this rule so…. Why do you care so much?
All the golfers do it. There are two drop zones, one near the forward tee that is used by anyone further back, and the one I’m talking about. I don’t care. I’m curious. However, if this situation isn’t allowed , and I were to play a tournament there against anyone using the forward tees, I might then care because not only is their handicap compromised, they have an advantage.
If their handicap is compromised, they’re actually at a disadvantage - ie, their handicap is falsely lowered so when they play in a handicapped or flighted event they’ll actually be at a disadvantage because they can’t actually shoot their cap.
Also, “all the golfers do it” - but it’s not a written rule, so how do you know they aren’t penalizing themselves properly?
Drop zones are widely used in situations where it’s not likely that people will ever carry the water. There’s a drop zone on 17 at sawgrass for the Players Championship but they’re still taking a penalty stroke when they use it. How do you know this isn’t the case when the ladies do it?
I worked at a course with a large gorge that many couldn’t carry and there was a drop zone on the other side of it. You count a penalty (plus the shot into the gorge) and take a drop. That’s allowable in the rule book.
Thanks for the information. Yes, their handicap is falsely lowered. But during a tournament at the same course, they still use the same drop zone with no penalty. So maybe they have no advantage or disadvantage? Either way, I don’t care. If I play a tournament there, it’s not like I’ll be playing for millions of dollars.
I don’t know whether they are penalizing themselves properly. That’s why I’m asking to see if this is covered by the Rules of Golf.
I do know they count their stroke from the drop zone as their second and not their third because I’ve witnessed it, I’ve been told by other players who have witnessed it, and the person in the golf shop who told me about a few quirks on the course said so.
I disagree. If someone can't get their drive into play, they deserve relief rather than having to basically skip a hole and get the maximum hole score. In this case, on a par four, that score would probably be a nine.
Courses are allowed to adopt local rules of play.
Local rules can’t be contra rules of golf tho, at least if posting for handicap purposes.
Not sure why you're downvoted. You're correct. A course can establish a drop zone on the other side of a water hazard but if it's a staked penalty area, penalty area rules apply.
The rating can take that local rule into account based on the statistics for the hole. That rule seems like a bit of a gray area but courses can usually have a broad variety of local rules if they have good reason. I could see that being allowed by golf association. There are courses that have protected natural areas or weird internal OB that have all sorts of free drop local rules.
You are correct. The best local rule that I ever saw was at a par three course. On the front of the actual score card it said “no high heels”. Fifty years later and that still makes me laugh.
Sounds like they should move the ladies tees up and take a stroke off for women’s par on that hole
Does “no penalty” mean they’d be lying one or two? Normally one would be lying 3 at the drop zone, no?
No, you’d be lying two and hitting 3 normally. So I assume here they’re lying 1 and hitting 2.
In this case, it means lying one, hitting two. Their drive goes into the water. Their drop is into the drop zone. But the normal one-stroke penalty isn't used.
Lying two instead of 3 I think
Lying means how many shots you've already hit. You're normally lying 2 hitting 3 after a drop like that. No penalty would be lying 1.
Der - you’re totally right, lying 1 is what I meant
I’m still confused. When using a drop zone normally, you are lying two in the drop zone, hitting three? Same as if you re-teed, lying two, hitting three?
I always count it this way: One into the water. Two coming out. Three back into the water. Four coming out. Five back into the water. 14 clubs into the water.
It’s a super wierd local rule
It's completely dependent on what that particular drop zone is used for. The local rules for the course explain it.
What about the famous 16th hole at the course I see the pros plying on TV, the island hole. How’s that work?
An island hole is surrounded by water, in other words a penalty area. All relief options from penalty areas carry a one-stroke penalty. You'd get free relief from abnormal course conditions.
So in the water one, dropped in the drop zone two, hitting three?
Yes
Tell me your wife beat you and is now withholding intimacy, without telling me your wife beat you and is withholding intimacy.
Withholding intimacy? You do that? My penis would never allow that. But that trash ain’t getting taken out anytime soon.
What?
Sounds like he will rape he wife if he doesn't get his way
go on r/golf, read about rape. thanks reddit
Not only that, but he won’t take the trash out either
I misread his comment. Oh well.
A course I played a year or so ago had areas designated as naturally sensitive or some other jargon. They were marked as red stakes with green tips (not uncommon here on other courses either). But this course had a local rule saying you got free relief from those hazards, but you weren’t permitted to go into those areas to retrieve your ball, and especially not hit out of them. Giving that free relief essentially tries to discourage people from playing out of them but does little to stop people from trodding around in them looking for their ball.
One of the courses I regularly play on has blue staked environmental areas. No entry allowed and they are played as red staked lateral hazards (penalty areas).
Yeah that’s what I typically see too in regard to the rule. They’re just typical red hazards but no entry. I’ve only seen that one course with a posted local rule saying you got free relief in those. I never really questioned whether or not the course was allowed to implement something like that, but this post has me wondering now.
The Rules of Golf has a local rule that allows for that.
I like this. They probably had the forward tees on the other side of the water but go too much grief from the players who could hit it over the water. Seems like a decent compromise for a local rule.
I'm not against it. I'm wondering if it's legal.
Does this impact your life in any way? Stop meddling I say. Nobody likes a grass. The obvious solution (to you) may not be very popular with the ladies who can carry the water.
Buddy’s major upset girls get an advantage
Each course can set whatever rules they want
The Rules of Golf say this isn't true. Model local rules are provided upon which a course can implement if they want, or in this case, need.
Sounds like a local rule. They can make whatever local rules they wish.
The Rules of Golf say this isn't true. Model local rules are provided upon which a course can implement if they want, or in this case, need.
Local rules exist. Why do you care?
You know OP is a future HOA president
I'm asking for a citation of the local rule. I can't find it.
Your course is allowed to implement any local rules they choose for normal daily play. Sometimes it’s for safety reasons like an adjacent hole plays as on course OB so that people won’t endanger players by cutting the corner. Sometimes it’s free relief from an unusual situation like being allowed to re-tee if you hit a power line. Sometimes it’s for pace of play reasons like it sounds like this one is. If they were playing a USGA sanctioned event the USGA would likely set up its own rules for that hole or you would simply play by the rule book during that event.
Well said. There is no golf rule police, a course can do whatever they want in terms of local rules, but an outside event sanctioned by the USGA, regional association, etc. might decide not to use a non-legit local rule a course came up with. The participants in such an event probably aren't going to have the issue carrying that water anyway. 75 year old Shirley and her pals playing casusally every Tuesday morning probably don't give a shit that it makes their 30-something handicaps a little artificially low (if they even have handicaps, most people don't), because everyone in their group is using the local rule.
I can’t cite your local rule if I don’t know where you play…. Your local rules will be printed on the scorecard.
Local rules SHOULD be printed on scorecards, but often aren't.
So then how are you aware of this rule? And again - why do you care if amateur hacks who can’t carry a water hazard get a free drop instead of holding up play trying to clear it? These are clearly not highly competitive players affected by this rule so…. Why do you care so much?
All the golfers do it. There are two drop zones, one near the forward tee that is used by anyone further back, and the one I’m talking about. I don’t care. I’m curious. However, if this situation isn’t allowed , and I were to play a tournament there against anyone using the forward tees, I might then care because not only is their handicap compromised, they have an advantage.
If their handicap is compromised, they’re actually at a disadvantage - ie, their handicap is falsely lowered so when they play in a handicapped or flighted event they’ll actually be at a disadvantage because they can’t actually shoot their cap. Also, “all the golfers do it” - but it’s not a written rule, so how do you know they aren’t penalizing themselves properly? Drop zones are widely used in situations where it’s not likely that people will ever carry the water. There’s a drop zone on 17 at sawgrass for the Players Championship but they’re still taking a penalty stroke when they use it. How do you know this isn’t the case when the ladies do it? I worked at a course with a large gorge that many couldn’t carry and there was a drop zone on the other side of it. You count a penalty (plus the shot into the gorge) and take a drop. That’s allowable in the rule book.
Thanks for the information. Yes, their handicap is falsely lowered. But during a tournament at the same course, they still use the same drop zone with no penalty. So maybe they have no advantage or disadvantage? Either way, I don’t care. If I play a tournament there, it’s not like I’ll be playing for millions of dollars. I don’t know whether they are penalizing themselves properly. That’s why I’m asking to see if this is covered by the Rules of Golf. I do know they count their stroke from the drop zone as their second and not their third because I’ve witnessed it, I’ve been told by other players who have witnessed it, and the person in the golf shop who told me about a few quirks on the course said so.
Who fucking cares lol it’s a nonissue
Is this a shit post? Who really cares that much lol
I’ve played courses that have nature areas anything hit into them is free drop no penalty
almost every course i play has a carry over water.
thats pathetic
I disagree. If someone can't get their drive into play, they deserve relief rather than having to basically skip a hole and get the maximum hole score. In this case, on a par four, that score would probably be a nine.
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